Sony Officially Confirms Slightly-Upgraded PlayStation 4 Hardware, Won’t Be At E3 2016

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Sony Interactive Entertainment has finally confirmed the long-rumored, slightly-upgraded PlayStation 4 hardware.

The news comes from an interview with Sony Interactive Entertainment president and group CEO Andrew House and Financial Times.

“It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” House said in confirming the new hardware’s existence. “We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle.”

The target market for the new console is reportedly ‘hardcore gamers,’ according to House and Sony, and consumers who are early-adopters of 4K televisions and 4K content.

Finally, House said they will not be revealing the console at their E3 press conference next week.

“We want to ensure we have a full range of the best experiences on the new system that we can showcase in their entirety,” House said. He also touched upon the concern of games being exclusive to the new hardware:

“All games will support the standard PS4 and we anticipate all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4.”


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  1. ashikenshin
    June 10, 2016 at 11:04 am

    I will definitely buy a PS4K because I’m an idiot like that.

  2. Eliaaan
    June 10, 2016 at 11:06 am

    i’m still pissed about this, i bought a ps4 like few months ago…hopefully i wont feel outdated or i will try to sell it.

  3. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    June 10, 2016 at 11:10 am

    This sort of thing happens with consoles all the time, I guess. But goddamn and I not ticked off about this. I just bought this damn thing last Thanksgiving.

  4. Kengofu
    June 10, 2016 at 11:12 am

    Look, if this thing has a 4K Blu-ray player with Deep Color and HDCP 2.2 support I’m in. If not, I’ll stick with the Samsung 4K Blu-ray player I’ve got.

  5. Bitterbear
    June 10, 2016 at 11:16 am

    I have the feeling that the games that support the New PS4 are going to run like ass on the old PS4. Here’s a video as an example:


  6. WB1c_Marathon
    June 10, 2016 at 11:17 am

    Annnnnnd this is what finally kills consoles for me. I just got mine around Oct last year. Sony is pretty much saying don’ ever bother being an early, or hell even mid gen adopter. I know consoles have multiple versions each gen, but never ones intended to be so much better as to render the original inferior. Might as well just build a pc at that point, I’m glad I already built one.

  7. Cy
    June 10, 2016 at 11:20 am

    Not a fan of this. I game primarily on consoles because it’s easier and there’s less hassle and I never have to worry about whether or not a PS4/XOne game is going to run properly on the console it’s for because of outdated hardware. I don’t give a shit about 4K graphics. I just want to be able to sit down and play games without having to worry about specs and hardware and shit like that.

  8. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    June 10, 2016 at 11:20 am

    I get the feeling this (and whatever the xbone is doing) are a lot closer to the New Nintendo 3DS (or worse, the DSi) than the big shake-ups people make them out to be.

  9. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    June 10, 2016 at 11:36 am

    Developers cant even make their last gen remasters run at a 30fps, how will this be any different?
    Theyll push for graphics to wow the crowd and make a less graphical intensive version with the same petformance.

    A fool and his money are soon parted.

    Dont fall for this bullshit, this will kill consoles for good.

  10. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    June 10, 2016 at 11:46 am

    Its ok when Nintendo does it.

  11. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 11:48 am

    Say what you want but Gaben was ahead of his time with his Steam machine idea. lol
    Except that you can upgrade Steam machines without having to replace the entire machine and have all the benefits of a PC like modding and infinite backwards compatibility unlike the PS4/XBone

  12. Wonderkarp
    June 10, 2016 at 11:53 am

    eh. I’ll keep mine. if the difference is small, there’s no reason. I’ll get a Neo if my PS4 breaks or gets stolen or something

  13. Saskia
    June 10, 2016 at 11:56 am

    I’m more interested in a PS4 Slim to be honest. While 4k is nice, I seriously can’t tell the difference from 1080p at a normal distance from a TV.

  14. OSad
    June 10, 2016 at 11:59 am

    For the record, Sony is apparently enforcing very rigorous standards for developers on this new PS4. For example, you can’t make neo-PS4 exclusive games or online services that can only run on the better hardware, and the games can’t have a different (higher) framerate on it either. It basically boils down to it being a 4K blu-ray machine that supports PS4 games at higher resolutions and has more VRAM for textures, plus it’ll probably have native support for the Morpheus like the 360 Slim had for the Kinect (no need for a separate power brick to power the things or whatever it needs to run is embedded in the console itself).

    It’s a slightly better PS4 that still runs all your PS4 stuff. If they introduce a trade-in system for you to get a cut back from your old console when you buy this new one, it could actually be a cool idea.

    [Source: some giantbombcast I listened to a few weeks ago, take it with a grain of salt]

  15. Mr0303
    June 10, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    Well, balls. It’s a good thing that they won’t waste time during the presser to adress this, but this announcement doesn’t shed any light on what the situation will be when this piece of crap is released.

  16. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    June 10, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    Hopefully you can sacrifice the higher resolution of 4K for better performance, if not I’ll just get a standard ass PS4 for cheap.

  17. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    That would be so fucking pointless. Why not just make a slim model than and phase out the old model entirely. What a waste of R&D and production costs.
    A deluxe model is not a bad idea but its gotta bring more to the table like PS2/PS3 BC and/or a build in VitaTV complete with cartridge reader instead of just 4K support.

  18. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    June 10, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    >games can’t have a different (higher) framerate on it either
    Bummer if so, some PS4 games could do with a higher framerate.

  19. TheManWithPants
    June 10, 2016 at 12:18 pm

    So in other words, the PS4 is getting a Remastered version of itself. This is basically the PS4 equivalent of the New 3DS. Fuck off, Sony. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. There’s no benefit to buying a console at launch. Either wait it out for a few years, or just go for a gaming PC.

  20. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    June 10, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    I can’t see cartridge support happening but making Vita games natively compatible (and PSP) on the PS4 would be great. Sony need to do something with their handheld games now they’ve effectively left that market.

    Then again they still haven’t put out any PS1 games yet and the PS2 releases are a bit slow so who fucking knows if Sony will get around to that?

  21. RPG
    June 10, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    Well, the truth finally comes out.
    If this becomes a common trend, I am really going to start losing fait/desire in consoles (more than I already have been over the past few years). I certainly won’t be as keen on getting them in the initial years of its lifespan, and I think many others are going to feel the same, which could potentially be a bad omen for sales.
    The main driving force and appeal behind consoles is its convenience. People like the guarantee that the console you buy will last and be supported for five plus years, and that your initial investment will (hopefully) be worth it. I believe Introducing incremental upgrades partway through the consoles lifecycle is going to severely undermine that convenience that so many appreciate, and damage the appeal of consoles as a whole, crippling interest and sales, and the market as a whole.
    Whenever I finally get my own PC, I can definitely see myself largely ignoring consoles (aside from the odd exclusive that may entice me) if this trend catches on.

  22. OSad
    June 10, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    The PS4 just broke the 40 million units sold mark, they don’t really have any need for a slim model if it won’t offer anything new to the customer, but a premium PS4 with 4k support that still runs all of your old games at higher resolutions could be an enticing product without alienating your theoretical 40 million userbase.

    What really threw a wrench on this generation was the VR launch, and the NX announcement. The NX theoretically being a better machine than the PS4, forced Sony to make a move for better hardware, which in turn is forcing Microsoft to make a push for better hardware as well with codename Project Scorpio, and now absolutely everyone is pushing for VR support in their machines on top of that.

    Suddenly it’s the 90’s all over again.

  23. MusouTensei
    June 10, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    So it’s basically only for people who want to play/watch in 4K, yeah I really don’t care.
    Also glad they won’t waste time with it at E3.

  24. Chocolate ISISCream
    Chocolate ISISCream
    June 10, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    >It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4

    Not like this…

  25. larverto365
    June 10, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    I don’t care if I play in 4k or not. I just want a PS4 someday.

  26. Jack
    June 10, 2016 at 12:31 pm


  27. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 12:31 pm

    Slim Models are not just for the costumer since their also paired with lower production costs because of die shrinks and less materials meaning higher profits.
    And why would they worry about the NX being more powerful. The original Xbox ran circles around the PS2 spec wise yet PS2 come out on top. And lets not forget about the WiiU fiasco eventhough it was supposed to be faster then the PS360.
    And honestly I think the whole VR thing is way to overhyped.
    Part of the appeal of a console is that you can plant your ass on the couch, turn on your TV and console and start playing. Instead of having to strap VR goggles to your face first and deal with god knows what other inconveniences like wires, calibration, etc. that come with VR.

  28. djluke_1993
    June 10, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    “Targeting the hardcore demographic”… Yeah that worked so well for the Wii U didn’t it now…

  29. OSad
    June 10, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    That’s the thing though, technology is making so many leaps, that an upgrade to the PS4’s hardware might simply be the same price as an old one at this point, while not sacrificing any form factor at all. When the PS4 launched, there were already systems you could buy for not that much more money that would run rings around it.

    This new PS4 won’t take away any of your conveniences. You can effectively call it a PS4 “slim” with a different brand. The whole point is that it offers you an upgrade path if you’re an enthusiast, and extra convenience if you’re interested in the VR peripheral, while still keeping your couch experience intact for the rest of the consoles’ 10 year lifecycle if you’re having none of it.

    I’m not saying it’s good or bad yet, but if it runs everything the PS4 runs, then it’s more versatility for the consumer and I can get behind that idea.

  30. Saskia
    June 10, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    because sony wants to sell 4k TV

  31. totenglocke
    June 10, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    There won’t be 4K graphics on this or any other console for several years. What it will do is allow for VR Fad 2.0 to semi-work (since it has to render everything twice and the GPU on the NEO is rumored to be twice as powerful as the PS4) and it will allow for more consistent frame rates / somewhat better image quality for standard games. The only reason they’re talking about “4K” is for movie playback (4K Netflix, 4K Blu-ray, etc).

  32. Mr0303
    June 10, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    You might as well wait until the end of the generation at this point.

  33. totenglocke
    June 10, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    The reason for the upgraded PS4 and Xbone are because previous generation consoles were about as powerful as a “high mid-range” or “low high-range” gaming PC and consoles were originally sold at a loss in the early years of their lifespan with all profits coming from game sales / licenses until production costs decreased over time. That’s why the last generation lasted for almost a decade, because they lost SO MUCH MONEY in the first half by subsidizing sales that they had to drag it out as long as possible to recoup that money and make a nice profit. For the current gen systems, they foolishly decided to try to make a profit on hardware sales from day one and instead the systems are so weak compared to PCs that multiplatform games have major performance problems on consoles and after only 2-3 years, their performance is so bad that they HAVE to upgrade the hardware to keep getting multiplatform games that run at decent frame rates without looking like ass compared to the PC counterpart. Linus Tech Tips did a video a year or so ago showing that the PS4 / Xbox One have the power of a (now) FIVE YEAR OLD mid-range gaming PC. That’s just absurd for your brand new product to come out and already massively underperforming compared to the competition.

    I own a PS4, Xbox One and Wii U in addition to my PC – if the upgraded versions are actually worthwhile, I’ll upgrade and sell off my current systems. Does it suck? Some. I’ve gotten plenty of enjoyment already, so it’s not like it the extra cost would be a complete loss. However, I understand WHY it’s happening and that makes me far less upset about it than the uninformed people (not trying to insult anyone on this board) who think it’s simply a cash grab.

  34. PenguinPlayer
    June 10, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    That’s my main fear and the reason I haven’t bought a PS4 yet even though I saved the money for it a few months back.

    I need confirmation, preferably from a souce other than Sony, like a comparison gameplay, that the games on the PS4 won’t run at 15 FPS when Neo comes out, before I decide to cross the line and actually get one.

  35. Neojames82
    June 10, 2016 at 1:11 pm

    And hence why you should never be an early adopter to any of these consoles.

  36. Uncle Slick
    Uncle Slick
    June 10, 2016 at 1:14 pm

    Hope it comes out soon. Want to buy a PS4 now, but will wait for this.

  37. Saskia
    June 10, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    it depends, you can say that about tons of things

    -you can say that about games…you can find every console game for like $30 or lower after a few months, instead of $60 at launch
    -consoles always get updates, there will probably be a PS4 SLIM eventually too
    -you can say that about the new M.2 SSD on PC….now it’s U.2 that matters and no longer M.2 which is just for notebooks now…and Sata express doesn’t matter anymore either

    I have kind of a wait and see approach

  38. Aliens_Of_Gold
    June 10, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    That will eventually mean that standard PS4 games could run like utter shit compared to the upgraded machine.

    Personally I don’t give a fuck any more. I think I’m done after this console generation and I’ll just stick with my PC if gaming is even viable even on that in the next 10 years.

  39. Neojames82
    June 10, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    Wait and see is probably also wise. I mean hey, not stopping anyone from buying something early because they are excited for it but in my eyes, in the long run, it is better to wait.

  40. Based Sony
    Based Sony
    June 10, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    Perfectly fine.
    I trust Based Sony, and you should too.

  41. Aliens_Of_Gold
    June 10, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    Aren’t we 3 years in already? I picked up my system last year so I didn’t adopt early. Just how long do you have to wait to buy a new product.

  42. totenglocke
    June 10, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    It could, except (supposedly) Sony is mandating that all games must run on both systems (and devs aren’t happy about that). What it would really mean is that in a couple of years, games would LOOK like shit on the current PS4 in order to hit 25-30 fps and not turn into a complete slide show.

  43. Aliens_Of_Gold
    June 10, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    They’ll end up looking worse than the PS4 games we currently have on PS4.

    Basically no good for the consumer who already owns a PS4 can come from this.

    Seems to be a trending theme this generation. Upgrade or else. Well guess what Microsoft/Sony/Whoeverelse I never fucking will. I have plenty of other games/things to occupy my free time.

  44. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    Meh the original PS3 had an SD slot so its not that far fetched but they’ll prolly never ever make a PS4 with build in VitaTV since the Vita is a thorn in the sides of all non Asian Sony branches.

    I’m also afraid that native B/C will never happen since their banking on that PlayStation Now streaming thing instead. Still I would love to have one PlayStation machines to rule them all since I still have boxes full of old PS1/2/3 games.

  45. scemar
    June 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    That’d be nice.
    But Sony seems to be pushing for 4K TV sales along with PS4 neo sales, targeting it to “hardcore gamers”.

    So it’d be kinda pointless if they allowed people to just enjoy the games at a higher and more stable fps and consistent quality but not 4k.

  46. Neojames82
    June 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    Depends on what it is but when it comes to consoles, nowadays I actually wait until at least half way or even verging on the late end of the console’s life.

  47. scemar
    June 10, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    I never got a PS4 because I feared this would happen.

    Now I am not sure if I should get a PS4 neo, or wait for PS4 SUPER NEO VERSION2.

    Haha did you really think they’d release just 1 upgrade? If this sells well I could see them releasing a revised hardware every two years.

  48. Smug
    June 10, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    “or just go for a gaming PC”
    Assuming you dont spend more than 600 bucks (basically a mid-build), because PC isnt immune either to this shitfest of a gen with the shitty games and shitty ports.

    Fuck those unoptimized games that force you to buy a +200$ graphic card and proc

  49. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    I often wait for the first slim model since by then a console has a healthy library of games but the lack of decent Japanese exclusives and the rise of PC ports makes me stick with my PC and Vita instead.

  50. RPG
    June 10, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    I definitely see your point, and the facts that you brought up really support your stance as well. I hope that perhaps there will be some sort of trade program where people who own the standard PS4 can get a good discount toward this new model via trade in, that can potentially create some good will from consumers and garner more interest for it in general. I am not sure if I would want to sell my Glacier White PS4, (I love how it looks), but something like that could possibly make me consider it (Hopefully there will be a white version of the new model as well)
    I am not blindly negative about this all either. Like you said, if the improvements are significant enough, I would certainly be tempted. I also understand why this is being done (for the reasons you stated above, as well as the advent of VR, and the upcoming NX also being factors), I am just afraid that it is going to hurt the appeal of consoles as a whole, which has been convenience and dependability. If consoles start having signficant revisons/upgrades every few years, it is going to hurt the consumer populace’s interest to adopt them early, if at all; which will in turn hurt the console gaming market as a whole.

  51. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    Nintendo targeted the core demographic just to spit them in the face.

  52. totenglocke
    June 10, 2016 at 1:55 pm

    “Basically no good for the consumer who already owns a PS4 can come from this.”

    If they don’t, then there simply wouldn’t be new games coming out for the current PS4 owners at all in another two years. The hardware it just too weak to maintain playable frame rates with the increased graphics that gamers demand. See my comment below in response to RPG for a lengthy explanation about WHY MS and Sony are being forced to released improved consoles.

  53. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    If they do they continue this trend they might as well dust off the Vaio brand to make Steam machines instead since it would defeat the purpose of consoles.

    They might say devs cant make their games run better on the new hardware now but it would not be the first time they ‘unlocked’ hardware to make games run better later down the line. Like the clockspeed of the PSP and the extra RAM in the Vita.

  54. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    At least on PC the players have to option to fix the games themselves.

  55. totenglocke
    June 10, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    Regarding trade-ins, I know when the New 3DS came out, Gamestop did a program where if you traded in your previous 3DS you got $100 off a New 3DS (so about 50% off). I’m jealous of your white PS4, when I bought mine I wasn’t sure if I wanted to take the plunge…saw a white PS4 at Best Buy and later that evening decided to get a PS4, but they were sold out.

    Honestly, consoles don’t have as much appeal due to modern improvements in PC gaming (anyone who thinks I’m just biased towards PC should see my shelves full of console games and my TV stand full of consoles). Windows 10 is great with a TV and you can use an HDMI cable to connect your PC to your TV or use things like Steam Link or other products to stream games from a gaming PC to your TV. All games suitable for a controller have built-in 360 / Xbox One controller support thanks to Microsoft and you can easily connect a PS3/PS4 controller to your PC as well. The Steam controller is absolutely fantastic for games that MUST use a keyboard and mouse. Factor in that consoles these days are literally running the same hardware as PCs and it does seem like there won’t be too many more console generations outside of handhelds. I almost exclusively buy my games on PC now (unless they’re a system exclusive or the console version happens to be superior – like Tales of Zesteria on PS4…the graphics are identical and that company is known for bad PC ports of their games). Hell, Microsoft is even planning on putting Windows 10 on the Xbox One and created a new API so that a developer can make one version of a game that both runs on Windows and Xbox.

  56. Ruggarell
    June 10, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    I would get sick of fixing a game myself all the time.

  57. DrearierSpider
    June 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    “I never have to worry about whether or not a PS4/XOne game is going to run properly”

    Of course you don’t, because they almost never do.

  58. Smug
    June 10, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    Modding doesnt excuse, and always fix, the fuck-ups though.

    I’ve also yet to meet a good game that push the limits of my current 450-bucks (without the cost of the additional hard drives) build too

  59. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    I know. But theres at least the option. With a console you either have to hack the console to install user made patches or be at the mercy of the dev to fix something.

  60. Smug
    June 10, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    That shit is going to happen soon enough on PC with paid mods (with likely a ban on anyone using mods not featured in Steam), thanks to the jew lord gaben.

    Unless you get to be a pirate, but heh

  61. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    Yeah no. The beauty of the PC is that there are plenty of competing storefronts besides Steam to each other in check. If Steam were to ban usermade mods/patches you can be sure as shit other storefronts would pounce on that to get players to switch service by stating their pro-modding or whatever.
    With consoles you have to bend to the whims of the manufacturer because they have no competition on their own platform. Like Sony who pulled the plug out of the PSM activation servers so I now have 4 games on my Vita I cant play anymore (seriously fuck you Sony I cant play that excellent DJMax clone MuSync anymore that I fucking paid for) or forced an update that removed the Maps app from my Vita.

  62. Smug
    June 10, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    That would imply Steam has any proper competition (pretty much most of the digital stores will give you steam keys now), besides GoG and that’s a bit of a stretch, considering how many exclusives are on Steam.

    Also you seem to forget that there are already a good amount of idiots already defending the concept of paid mods, and I can safely say that the moment they are widely accepted (despite all the disadvantages they would bring) is the moment the mod community die for good.

    I loathe Sony for doing a lot of stupid shit, but it’s also stupid to ignore the current problems and threats on the PC platform, out of fanboyism.

    >being a slave to online digital distribution services anyway

    That’s why piracy remains the best alternative either on PC or consoles. You get the convenience of digital with none of the issues.

  63. RPG
    June 10, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    Yeah, I remember that. Hopefully Sony considers doing a similar thing in this case as well. (And in Europe as well. I was living in Canada up until a few months ago. I am now living in the Netherlands.)
    Haha thanks. I really like the PS4 I have. I luckily found it for a good price second hand and decided to take the plunge.
    Yeah, I see what you mean. I am planning to be in the same boat as you in the future once I finally build my own rig. All PC except for the odd exclusive not available to it, or if the version on PC is not the best.
    It is sad to think that consoles themselves seem to be on the way out. As a child, being introduced to gaming and growing up with systems such as the Nintendo, Super Nintendo, and backwards, I have always had a big sentimentality for the experience. It will be sad to see it go in a way.

  64. Chocolate ISISCream
    Chocolate ISISCream
    June 10, 2016 at 3:20 pm


  65. DizzyGear
    June 10, 2016 at 3:20 pm

    If Valve starts doing stupid shit than that competition will arrive sooner or later with GoG being the most likely one. That’s just how the market works. Before you say it wont, Games for Windows is dead because it was shit and people actively avoided games that used it.

    And Steam for all its faults does have its advantages. For one offering a DRM solution that actually brings benefits for the both the end-user with features like hassle free installations, updates, overlay, etc and for devs with its Steamworks framework and Valve constantly improving the platform.

    And lets be honest, before Steam took off the PC gaming market was in a pretty sad state. Remember Starforce/SECUROM and Devs constantly shitting on PC in favor of consoles? Good times…

    So i think your hate boner for Steam is a tad much tbh.

  66. TheManWithPants
    June 10, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    At least PC gamers have Piracy as an easy option (as long as it doesn’t have Denuvo bullshit) to test those games. Either which way, you’re right though. The Game Industry is just a load of bullshit these days.

  67. Nagato
    June 10, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    We don’t need years when even now there’s already more than enough games that run like shit and are allowed to release on PS4 already, first party ones included.

  68. Smug
    June 10, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    “If Valve starts doing stupid shit than that competition will arrive sooner or later”
    You wish, Steam did plenty of stupid shit and the userbase is still big as ever

    And you also basically said it in your own comment, your average consumer is either a naive buyfag, someone who dont want to deal with little hassles, and someone who got too dependent to the service.

    Valve also stated that someone making a paid mod is allowed to use someone’s else content as long as it is freely available. This will inevitably drive all modded content to be posted exclusively on the Steam Workshop, because there will be random fucks to steal the modder’s free work and monetize it for themselves. On a similar note, GoG isnt better by taking free cracks (for the old games) from crackers, reverse engineer them and then sell them.

    Valve has also a poor quality and moderation control in general, like it is proved in Greenlight, Early Access and even their own store. The Workshop for mods will be no different. Lets not forget how many projects Valve tried to make but none of them were rally finished, like a child trying to make too many things at once.

  69. blackice85
    June 10, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    I wouldn’t terribly mind if they did revisions to a certain degree, but hopefully not too frequently. It’s tricky to pull off without fragmenting the user base too much, which was supposed to be a selling point of console gaming.

  70. bdp
    June 10, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    “All games will support the standard PS4 and we anticipate all or a very
    large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4.”

    for now anyway, There were DSi and N3DS exclusive games and you can bet there will be some PS4Kneo exclusive games at some point in the future as well.

  71. Smug
    June 10, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    Yeah, even the today’s physicals are no longer a guarantee (since digital distribution went mainstream) and I have to check the japanese user reviews before importing anything (especially the vita games, because some companies like Gust and Falcom love to release broken games).

    And trying to get older console games isnt an easy task too with all the greedy resellers. Main reason why people resort to emulation or pirating their systems

    Having a lust for physicals really do suck these days.

  72. SuuLoliBoob
    June 10, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    “God Of War 4, Only On PS4neo, pre order now and get the Ghost Of Athena DLC Missions free”

  73. Zombie_Barioth
    June 10, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    The rumors seem to bounce between being “on par/stronger than a GTX970” to using Polaris, which points to the GPU being between the r9 470 and 480.

    This wouldn’t be the first time AMD worked with the console manufacturers on brand-new architecture either.

    The consoles may be able to handle less demanding games at 4k, much like 1080P on previous consoles, but most things will likely end up up-scaled from 1080P at best if anything.

  74. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    June 10, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    I’ll say it again: this shitty hardware is NOT going to be able to play things at true 4K/60fps. Sorry but it’s just not happening.

    It’ll be a great 4K BD player though.

  75. 2501
    June 10, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    your account is hilarious.

  76. 2501
    June 10, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    Smart move.

    That way you can pick the five PS4 games that aren’t PS3 remasters.

  77. Truck
    June 10, 2016 at 7:13 pm


  78. 2501
    June 10, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    This is why i’m glad l ditched this generation of consoles. Say what you want about the Wii-U but at least Nintendo didn’t treat their home video game console like a shitty PC.

    All that Microsoft and Sony are doing is slowly taking away the appeal and convenience that consoles used to have. Trying to have 4k/60fps? It reeks of desperation like “oh PC users can have that now, then so can we” etc. Trying to compete with PC is gonna get you nowhere.

    June 10, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    There’s now no reason to buy a console at launch. You’ve driven console players like me away, Sony. I’m already waiting on three GOTY editions for games and if I have to do that for consoles too? You’ve jumped the shark.

    Next-gen I’m going to have no choice but to take the plunge and buy a gaming PC. Unless consoles do some very pro-consumer stuff like add backwards compatibility again and free online again.

  80. Jumanji Joe
    Jumanji Joe
    June 10, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    “because it’s easier and there’s less hassle”
    No matter how many time console only kiddies repeat this it will never become true.

  81. Jumanji Joe
    Jumanji Joe
    June 10, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    because it’s easier and there’s less hassle”
    No matter how many time console only kiddies repeat this it will never become true.

  82. Nagato
    June 10, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    You mean the ones that are Vita ports instead?

  83. Malcolm_Ecks
    June 10, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    People in the comments acting like the “Slim” PS consoles didn’t exist. Sod off.

  84. Cy
    June 10, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    Except it’s literally always true, but have fun being so insecure about your preferred platform you feel the need to make comments like this.


  85. Jumanji Joe
    Jumanji Joe
    June 10, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    Questioning silly comments is insecure now? You’re a laugh riot kiddo.

  86. InkBrush
    June 10, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    Eh not really interested, I’ll still get a regular PS4 just because they are pretty reasonable now to get cheap used.

  87. RioSine
    June 10, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    Have you ever consider that the variable “Hassle” and “easier” could be dependant on people rather than independant?

    Some people have become so accustomed to running a pc that (re)building one won’t be a hassle at all.

    while I won’t be surprised the avg ignorant to consider build a pc a task similar to rocketry

    Oh but you said that “Except it’s literally always true”
    That is quite tautological of you

  88. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 12:02 am

    “unoptomized games that force you to buy a $200+ graphics card”

    Uh, you haven’t looked at hardware prices in a long time, have you? Only bargain bin shit that you’ll need to upgrade in a year or two will be under $200. $300-ish though will usually get you a card that will last a good 4-5 years and a decent processor will last you longer than that.

  89. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 12:03 am

    There’s GOG for DRM free games and key-selling sites plus sales for games with DRM. I despise DRM, so I only buy games with DRM when they’re at rental prices (since that’s essentially what you get with DRM). It’s perfectly easy to be a PC gamer and not get fucked by anyone.

  90. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 12:07 am

    Even if I buy the “first gen”, I always wait for a good sale. There are way too many games available on way too many systems to ever justify paying full price for a console or game. Just play some of your existing backlog while you wait for a sale / permanent price drop.

    Unfortunately, lots of idiots think that they’ll DIE if they don’t buy “Generic Online-only Shooter [CURRENT YEAR]”!

  91. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 12:08 am

    Just be wary of waiting too long and then what you want is out of production and the price goes up significantly.

  92. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 12:09 am

    Or if you want to do VR. Time will tell if there are actual benefits for regular gaming, but it looks like the only advantage to this is if you want to watch Netflix / Blu-ray in 4k or use PS VR.

  93. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 12:10 am

    Technically they already made a PS4 “slim”. They made a revision about 6? 8? months back that has quieter fans and uses less electricity when gaming and in rest mode.

  94. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 12:16 am

    Then N64 destroyed the Playstation on actual hardware performance, but was limited by the stupid catridges that held less than 1/10th of the CDs used by Sony. The Gamecube was significantly more powerful than the PS2, yet again, Nintendo fucked up and chose to use mini-DVDs that held about 1/7th of what a DVD used for PS2. At least with the Wii U, Nintendo is using their own format that’s comparable in storage to Blu-ray….only now they’re no longer making systems with more powerful hardware. It’s like Nintendo just can’t get both halves of the equation lined up anymore.

  95. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 12:20 am

    So far there has been ONE, count them, ONE New 3DS exclusive game. Yes, many games (including ones before the New 3DS came out) have been updated so you get better frame rates / textures on the New 3DS, but there’s nothing limiting someone who stayed with the original. If you care about actually using the 3D and want faster load times with the occasional graphical improvement, then the New 3DS was a worthwhile upgrade. If not, you’re not missing out on anything by not upgrading. Christ, so many people love to get butthurt over the existence of something that YOU DON’T HAVE TO BUY.

  96. Aliens_Of_Gold
    June 11, 2016 at 12:34 am

    I doubt they’ll run at 15fps. They should be able to maintain the standard (sub)30 they’ve got going now by disabling graphical features that will be exclusive to the new system making standard PS4 games look like shit.

    I think it’ll take a few years though… Maybe.

  97. Luka ?( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀?)
    Luka ?( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀?)
    June 11, 2016 at 12:59 am

    did the psp go work better than the og psp

  98. SiliconNooB
    June 11, 2016 at 1:03 am

    There will be a 4k mode, but it won’t be full 4k [or rarely]. Games will probably range from 1440p to 2k to a couple of downloadable games that are able to do 4k.

    I could see the FFXII remaster hitting full 4k.

  99. SiliconNooB
    June 11, 2016 at 1:05 am

    PS4 Neo is a horrible idea. I wasn’t planning on having to buy a new console for another three years…

  100. Joe
    June 11, 2016 at 1:08 am

    Those $1000 “PS1 Anniversary” PS4s are going to be worthless soon.

  101. SiliconNooB
    June 11, 2016 at 1:12 am

    The thing is that PS4 game releases will still run fine [relatively speaking] for a little while after the Neo releases. What I think we will see is games starting to crap themselves about a year and a half down the line, once publishers decide to push graphics instead of framerates.

  102. SiliconNooB
    June 11, 2016 at 1:20 am

    My TV is only 1080p, so the capacity for a higher framerate is the difference between me buying a Neo or sticking with the standard model.

  103. Smug
    June 11, 2016 at 2:03 am

    >shilling for GoG

    Funny how I mentioned earlier this website literally stole cracks and get full profits from selling them and the old games too (as most of the studios closed their doors). You were too busy upvoting the other guy tho?

    Not to mention, the website is now focusing on indie shit and early access shit, with also the nerve to sell actual DRM stuff (games requiring Galaxy for features, online activation) and promote it as not-DRM.

    ” It’s perfectly easy to be a PC gamer and not get fucked by anyone.”
    >still being a slave for digital distribution services
    >using Windows 10

    Fucking lol

  104. Smug
    June 11, 2016 at 2:23 am

    100-150$ graphic cards are already more than enough unless you fell to the 4K meme and play Triple Ass games

    AMD procs are good value but poor in emulation, while anything above a G3258 is stupidly expensive from jewtel (not to mention the new gen has in-built spying shit).

  105. Darkrulershadowlord007
    June 11, 2016 at 3:07 am


  106. DavidGX
    June 11, 2016 at 3:30 am

    A “slim” PS4 is not the same as a more powerful PS4, which the “Neo” is.

  107. DavidGX
    June 11, 2016 at 3:30 am

    Don’t buy a gaming PC, build one.

  108. DavidGX
    June 11, 2016 at 3:31 am

    You know what’s really funny? People have been saying for a while that consoles are just shitty PCs… but at least with a PC you can upgrade the hardware. This method of upgrading, replacing the whole damn thing, makes them more like shitty Macs :D

  109. DavidGX
    June 11, 2016 at 3:33 am

    I sold mine on craigslist before the word got around on this. Not buying a “neo” though. Just done with them entirely.

  110. Feniks
    June 11, 2016 at 5:32 am

    Bah I used to be a PC gamer but I got better. Now consoles do the whole “upgrades for graphics whores” thing.

    On the bright side I doubt a lot of jrpgs or vn’s will do anything substantial with the PS4neo so whatever.

  111. Feniks
    June 11, 2016 at 5:46 am

    When you look at the numbers the vast majority of Steam users don’t have high end gaming PCs either. Most popular GPU is Intel integrated.

  112. Feniks
    June 11, 2016 at 6:00 am

    To quote myself:

    “PC gamers always predict the death of consoles.

    Apparently this would somehow be great for gaming because all those 60 million console owners would suddenly build their own PC and Gabe the Jew will lead us all to somewhere beyond the heavens.

    It’s a prophesy foretold in one of the dead sea scrolls that was hidden when the Romans raided Jerusalem”.

  113. Smug
    June 11, 2016 at 6:21 am

    Intel HD (3000 and above) is now pretty fine for most old 3D and 2D games tbh. The previous integrated chipsets were total dogshit I remember though.

  114. GameZard
    June 11, 2016 at 6:28 am

    I agree 4k gaming consoles are just too far away at this point.

  115. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    June 11, 2016 at 7:58 am

    You seem to be the only butthurt individual here to be honest.

    “You dont have to buy”
    Sure worked with DLC and microtransactions.

  116. LurkerJK
    June 11, 2016 at 9:38 am

    They are going to be promoting Playstation VR with the vintage PS4 ? hahaha, this is going to be a shitshow

    Everyone that goes there make sure to look under the table and report what they are hooked too

  117. Cy
    June 11, 2016 at 10:21 am

    The fact that you have to learn how to build a PC at all is a hassle. And that’s not even mentioning the inconvenience of having to make sure every game will run on whatever setup you have. Consoles are objectively easier. All you need to know is how your TV works and where the HDMI inputs are.

  118. Cy
    June 11, 2016 at 10:22 am

    Pretending fact is silly because you can’t admit consoles have any advantage over PC sounds pretty insecure to me.

  119. doog
    June 11, 2016 at 10:47 am

    Didn’t nintendo do a hardware upgrade on their new 3ds? It’s ok when nintendo does it….

  120. totenglocke
    June 11, 2016 at 10:53 am

    You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. No games require Galaxy and no games require online activation. Online play by definition requires connecting online – if you can’t grasp that, you really shouldn’t be allowed out of your room without adult supervision.

  121. 2501
    June 11, 2016 at 11:57 am

    Irrelevant, the 3DS is a hand held, not a console.

  122. doog
    June 11, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    nintendo fanboys are the worst

  123. Smug
    June 11, 2016 at 12:22 pm

    “No games require Galaxy”
    >what is Dying Light
    Pretty sure there was another game that needed galaxy for multiplayer features.

    “no games require online activation”
    >what is The Witcher 3

    ‘You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.’
    Right back at you faggot

  124. Shane O'Shaughnessy
    Shane O'Shaughnessy
    June 11, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    Sorry, but I think you’re exaggerating the difference between PC and consoles here. Have you actually played Doom, The Division, Overwatch, GTA5 on consoles? They still look bloody amazing and do NOT have performance problems.

  125. Shane O'Shaughnessy
    Shane O'Shaughnessy
    June 11, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    Jumping the gun, aren’t you? Why don’t you wait until the console is announced before deciding stuff like this.

  126. Shane O'Shaughnessy
    Shane O'Shaughnessy
    June 11, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    “Say what you want about the Wii U”. OK, that console is a joke and it’s hilarious that you’re trying to contrast it with the PS4/X1.

  127. Shane O'Shaughnessy
    Shane O'Shaughnessy
    June 11, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    Zero interest in ever getting a gaming PC or being part of the PC community, so I will continue to buy consoles at launch. I don’t regret buying a PS4 one bit.

  128. Shane O'Shaughnessy
    Shane O'Shaughnessy
    June 11, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    So what the hell would I have been playing for the last 3 years!? I still have a ton of games to finish on PS4 and the console isn’t going anywhere.

  129. Neojames82
    June 11, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    I know it isn’t going anyway, hence, like I said, there is no rush to get any console when it launches. Just wait it out and you’ll usually get the better version of the console with more variety of games.

    What would you have been playing the last three years? *shrugs* I don’t know, depends on what other consoles you have. XD

  130. TophatKiyaki
    June 11, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    They only do have ONE advantage, which is the fact you don’t have to worry about building them…yet. Expect consoles to go modular some time in the future, because they’re going to have to, to keep up with the continual uptick in technological advancement.

    Further, that really still isn’t “fact,” because there still isn’t hassle and you’d know that if you ever actually looked into it. The most “difficult” part of building a PC is part selection which is strictly a budgeting thing, because parts are so black and white in functionality it’s obvious, The actual construction is effectively just attaching modules to modules. Basically, unless you consider “having to do anything at all” to be hassle…well, I mean, enjoy life I guess?

    Ever put together a Lego set? You can build a PC. Joe Average could very easily put his own PC together so long as he was given an adequate instruction booklet, and it could be argued it’s even easier than that because aside from “The Motherboard goes first” and “The Processor goes in before the fan that goes directly on top of it, no shit”, there isn’t actually any definitive order that the parts need to be attached in. You just need to know where to attach what, which is the most basic aspect of building literally anything.

    That’s why PC is on the uptick right now. Consoles are so far behind tech-wise that people are actually looking into it and discovering how arbitrarily easy it has become. This isn’t the 90s anymore and you don’t need any fancy software knowledge to get it done. Some of the most diehard console people I know are showing interest in building a PC, and some actually are doing so now, strictly because they recognize that consoles are slowly becoming a very bum deal for them with their current offerings. Meanwhile, building a computer LOOKS scary, until you actually look into it and discover it just, isn’t. At all. Hell, if you want to get REALLY technical, you can just buy a prebuilt gaming PC and avoid all of the “Hassle”. Again, this isn’t the 90s or the early 2000s anymore. Alienware aren’t the only people around building gaming rigs anymore and a lot of them are very reasonably priced.

    Couple that with the fact that consoles are likely to adopt a similar model going forward, since it is becoming painfully apparent just how impossible it is for them to “keep up” with technology anymore. Sooner or later, you’re going to have to be able to slot in a new proprietary GPU into your Playstation so that they don’t have to re-release an “upgraded” version every few years.

    The next console gen is going to be underpowered compared to what is available on PC right NOW in the mid-range. Imagine how much moreso it will be a year after it launches, or two, or five? Nvidia just released the GTX 1000 series pushing the bar up AGAIN, where the latest consoles were already mid-range compared to what existed before it. Tech is advancing faster and faster each year, and as of now PC is the only platform that can actually keep up with it by nature of being modular. Consoles are, sooner or later, going to HAVE to integrate that mentality or they are going to fall behind so hard that they would need to re-release themselves every two-three years to even have a change of reasonably running the newest games without extremely sub-optimal visuals and abysmal loading times.

  131. GameZard
    June 11, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    A lot could.

  132. DrearierSpider
    June 11, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    This thing won’t be playing any games at 4k outside of really low fidelity indie games. 4k is mainly for media playback (Netflix, Blu-Ray, etc.) We may see more games offer a choice between graphics vs performance like in The Last of Us or Nioh, or we could see most devs stick with deciding the fidelity/performance themselves as is the current trend.

  133. A Loli de 42 Anos
    A Loli de 42 Anos
    June 11, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    All I want to know is that if it has backward compatibility and access to the PS3 PSN. that’s the only way Sony will get me to buy a PS3 right now.

  134. Dnetwork7
    June 11, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Yup I doubt any of the Japanese developers will take advantage of the new power because most of their games have a PS3 or Vita counterpart.

  135. larverto365
    June 11, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    All, or at least most of the games that are being remastered on the PS4 will be the first times I play those games in any fashion.

  136. WB1c_Marathon
    June 11, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    I did wait. I waited three years before buying a PS4, and with the way the industry has been lately I feel pretty justified and willing to stand behind exactly what I said. If I’m proven wrong I’ll admit it, but with how things stand I doubt it. Besides, most of the games I got the PS4 for are almost all getting steam releases with a few holdouts from companies that I still care for.

  137. steve72
    June 11, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    bruh. you cant win to a pc gamer defending their race. nobody is b1tching about graphics until pc gamer came into play. hell, i used to play mario on famicom and doesnt b1tch about the pixels. i played chrono trigger on nes and doesnt btch about it either. i played ff series on ps1 and doesnt btch about their morph faces. i played ffx on ps2 and doesnt bitch the graphics. i used to play gtav on ps3 and doesnt btch about it not being on 4k or 60fps. my point here is as long as you enjoyed the game it doesnt matter how superior the game on a hardware compare to the other.

  138. RioSine
    June 11, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    “The fact (I) had to learn how to build… ”
    I wasn’t aware I had a Diploma on Personal computer building and Im now an electronic Technician. What I mean is; you can’t claim as fact that I learnt to build a computers without an evidence like a Diploma or a course certificate. This is just a big assumption of your part

    Look the bare minimum knowledge you need to build a PC is just the manuals in the motherboard, processor, and video card, There its demonstated, with drawings, how to handle and assemble the thing together. how to fit the other components like the ram and HDD is trivial.

    The manual also tell you which caution you had to apply when building it, ie I had put into anti-static gauntlets so the bios doesnt get deleted by the friction with my furry paws. Hey Wait a minute why im even telling you this I think I derailed offtopic.

    Oh did I also mention that Computers Technicians actually exist and that they can also build the pc for you if you happen to have some serious disability that actually impedes you to do it yourself?

    “…make sure every game will run on whatever…”
    This also an assumption. most games/programs will run in a x86 processor architecture, If not, Dosbox. in addition Most games will run in the OS WIN7 if not I can either multiboot or Virtual Machine an XP, or in some few cases a Linux.

    “how your TV work”
    I also bet you don’t know how your light emitting diode, ormaybe have a plasma, Posing as tv work, for starter which of thses devices, plasma or led, you can’t clean with alcohol and why?

  139. Travis Touchdown
    Travis Touchdown
    June 12, 2016 at 2:29 am

    I think this confirms that PS4 isn’t selling as well as they want you to think. Why replace it so quickly?

  140. LurkerJK
    June 12, 2016 at 8:20 am

    They are just adding a 4k capable display port, even with the “upgrade” i doubt any game will go over 1080p outside of some tech demos, be happy if they can actually reach 1080p consistently with the new hardware

    When they added hdmi ports to the xbox360 and playstation 3 they didnt suddenly become capable of 1080p, the current gen consoles are still struggling with that

  141. LurkerJK
    June 12, 2016 at 9:32 am

    Omg, you have to learn things ?! THE HUMANITY

    You have detailed youtube videos about any doubt you could ever have about PC building, the barrier of entry is just wanting to do it

    Most of the process involves matching male plugs with their corresponding female plugs, in most cases the plugs are unique in shape, clearly labeled and impossible to plug in the wrong way, im sure you can do that if you can manage to plug in the HDMI cable without calling a “professional”

  142. Smug
    June 12, 2016 at 9:48 am

    >learning new things is a hassle
    I wonder how do you live

  143. Smug
    June 12, 2016 at 9:54 am

    good goy

  144. Smug
    June 12, 2016 at 9:58 am

    “I still have a ton of games to finish on PS4”
    Playing Bloodborne over all again dont count

  145. Smug
    June 12, 2016 at 9:59 am

    >this shit taste

  146. DrearierSpider
    June 12, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    There are Youtube videos of 5 year olds building PC’s, they’re basically big Lego sets nowadays. It’s amazing what tasks some people consider daunting these days.

  147. Shane O'Shaughnessy
    Shane O'Shaughnessy
    June 12, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    Wow, what an argument. Still, it’s probably the best that a PC master race brain can do since PC gamers are all retarded and overweight.

  148. Smug
    June 12, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    Nice projection of you buddy

    Even as owner of a few consoles, I can still tell you you have shit taste.