Star Wars Battlefront II Plagued by Loot Crate Shenanigans, EA Response Gets Downvoted Into Oblivion

Electronic Arts is getting ready to release Star Wars Battlefront II, and while we haven’t reviewed the game – widespread reports point to the game being plagued by loot crate shenanigans, and not the good kind of shenanigans.

The reports point to a few key points: loot crates give a very clear advantage to players that pony up and purchase them over players who simply buy the main game and play like normal (without buying loot crates). Coming from this, it can take dozens of hours to grind and unlock another playable character.

The game’s premium currency, Crystals, have completely bewildered players regarding the progression system – further cementing the overall feeling the game is decidedly a pay-to-win kind of experience. This boils down to non-paying players being completely screwed from the very beginning, no matter what they do.

Electronic Arts has already responded to the widespread criticism for the game: “The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes.”

This post has become the most downvoted post in all of Reddit’s history.

Their response continues:

As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the Open Beta and other adjustments made to milestone rewards before launch. Among other things, we’re looking at average per-player credit earn rates on a daily basis, and we’ll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have challenges that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via gameplay.

We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on Reddit, our forums and across numerous social media outlets.

Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can.

This was a response to a player saying he paid $80 on the game, only to find Darth Vader locked behind a paywall or dozens of real-world hours to access.

Star Wars Battlefront II is launching across PC, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One on November 17th.

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  • Gigaknight

    If even Redditors are this keenly aware of EA’s chicanery and greed, perhaps it’s safe to say that the world eagerly awaits the day a proton torpedo reaches EA’s exhaust port.

  • OldPalpy

    They’re already pulling the “muh death threats” card.

  • Captain Vidya

    Reddit’s this up in arms about it. Are we witnessing the end of the lootbox cancer that’s plaguing the games industry?

  • Madbrainbox

    No way.That will happen when authorities will start cracking down on these assholes.Hoping many people will get arrested in the process.

  • orbo

    Jim’s going to have a field day with this.

  • Madbrainbox

    And when you thought EA popularity couldn’t get any lower.But this kind of scum always finds a way to sink lower and lower.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    inb4 the influx of “are gamers too entitled?” articles

  • Captain Vidya

    Oh my god, are you fucking serious?

  • Jack Thompson

    It’s a ploy. By going full whaler, they can then tone down the bad business designs somewhat while still leaving many in tact. They will then gain face and establish what shitty practices they left in as the norm.

    M rated movies do the same thing. They go overboard on material and send it to the ratings boards, then they send in a “toned” down version that is rated M instead of R because “it wasn’t as bad as before”.

    This will happen here, and Reddit will go back to eating it up once EA “atones” for it’s sins.

  • OldPalpy
  • OldPalpy

    If you mean Sterling he will REEEE about how toxic gamers are while throwing in just a enough bare minimum shit at EA to keep this vapid fanbase pacified, if you mean other Jim then yeah he could have real fun here.

  • chaoguy

    They know this spark can spiral into a pushback against ALL lootboxes, so every other company that does it is pulling their favors since they have horses in that race.

  • giygas
  • Madbrainbox

    Nope.He released a video on the subject and you couldn’t be more wrong.

  • Darkrulershadowlord007

    Glad to see this lootbox bullshitis blowing up in their faces, sadly those greedy twats at EA wont change.

  • OldPalpy

    Nothing like that the smell of a narrative brewing in the morning.

  • SevTheBear

    Yeah seen it. They can pull all the cards they want, their loot box BS problem ain’t gonna go away xD

  • OldPalpy

    He plays a pro-consumer character when it suits him for patreon bucks, he shows his true face when his buddies are involved.

  • SevTheBear

    Oh this is lovely. About time something bite EA so freaking hard in the ass that would forget it anytime soon since Mass Effect Crapdromada didn’t bite them hard enough.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ec1ec4b129c0198f8a57b90df67b5ac534bb8452ebe75e21ee3640237ef54f04.jpg

  • SevTheBear

    This will scar them. But it would help more if people vote with a wallet as well

  • John Smith
  • Cubanoman

    Not even konami manage to piss so many people

  • OldPalpy

    What will ultimately matter is Disney seeing that EA is generating giant amounts of negative PR towards their IP as a game property which will hopefully force them to rethink things and get out their contract, look at how they’ve been with the movies either meddling heavily with them or replacing directors at the top of a hat.

  • And EA is not his buddy, last I checked.

  • Madbrainbox

    He’s right when it comes to lootboxes.I don’t need more.

  • Captain Vidya

    Oh boy, time to ignore the legit criticism and lump it all in to the death threats and shit.

  • Madbrainbox
  • John Smith

    but ea might start copying warframe designs

  • BFG
  • Uncle Ocelot

    It’d be the first good thing Disney did with the franchise if they did.

  • Madbrainbox

    Then they’d have some quality in their games.:)

  • Uncle Ocelot

    438,000 downvotes right now, it’s beautiful. Apparently the previous record holder only had around 24,000, and that was a joke post asking people to downvote it. Reddit is at least good for something I suppose.

  • SOMEGUY7893 .

    “The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes.”
    >They act like they can’t make hard in-game challenges to do the same shit.

  • SOMEGUY7893 .

    If it’s not someone higher up in the company putting it out then it’s probably people actually giving them false threats just because they know it’ll make some people upset and then it’ll start a shitstorm.

  • PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS

    What a generic response. At least they’re not trying to sell you their bullshit.

  • PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS

    Watch them go crazy hiring more minorities now. Just to play the race card. EA: It’s not just about diversity anymore.

  • Kyle MacNeil
  • OldPalpy

    No doubt they don’t plan on changing costs for post launch content, they want the model of GTA Online where you either grind for dozens for hours to get DLC or pony up space bucks instead.

  • DrearierSpider

    This is one deal I pray gets altered further.

  • Good, they deserve to be punished, this useless, pointless, generic non-game shouldn’t even be released; this gambling is illegal, and nothing short of an FBI raid of the EA headquarters will be an appropriate response to this criminal ring.

  • malbhet

    perfect lol:D

  • Jack Thompson

    Oh look, I can see the future.
    http://archive.fo/CU3X8
    http://archive.fo/3A3ob
    They kept in all the shitty slimy business practices, Skinner boxes, operant conditioning, F2P but P2WIN tactics in a full price triplayy game, etc., BUT they made it somewhat less shitty, so it will be hailed as based EA listening to consumers and being a good company whilst they shift the acceptance of these terrible practices further towards the norm. I bet this whole stunt was planned from the beginning.

  • sanic
  • This. It’s a convenient enough fallback when he wants to criticize something, but as soon as he personally likes anything awful, he’ll found some retarded, roundabout way of defending it. i.e. “Fallout 4 is a 9.5/10 because it let’s me get cucked by Tyrone just like in real life!”

  • Mr0303

    It’s almost like microtransactions encourage bad design decisions. I’m really glad that people are starting to see how potentially damaging these practices can be.

  • Mr0303

    This is a proof that backlash works. That being said EA’s response is mostly tiny damage control. Now you have to play for 10 hours straight to unlock a single hero rather than 40, if you don’t want to spend any money that is.

  • Exien

    Just one word: good

  • I am sorry but I have no sympathy for these retards. You bought a EA game so what did they fucking expect!? That’s like buying a Ubisoft game and bitching that it is buggy and unoptimized.

  • Won’t stop people from buying these games though.

  • braneman

    The previous most downvoted comment on Reddit was somebody explicitly asking for downvotes and had amassed a staggering 25k.

    You still shouldn’t buy this game, get a refund on it if you can.

  • A broken clock is right once in a while.

  • Gematsu in a nutshell. Lol

  • I never get tired of being called entitled by people that make thousands off patreon.

  • Riosine

    huh? people can like awful or broken games (or any stuff) for some personal reason

    So How is that even a problem unless you are trying to imply there ever was some kind of objectivity behind all game revews and their scores?

  • grgspunk

    Redditors might be retards, but even these guys know when to spot bullshit.

    Considering this is EA though, it’s not saying much.

  • Zanthos

    All the “outrage” is going to amount to crazy sales and them still making bank. If loot boxes didn’t work, they wouldn’t use them and all that jazz. At the end of the day money talks and they win.

  • Ace

    I generally hate sweeping generalizations, especially about gaymers, but one of them is true, and that’s gamers are prone to getting ripped off and enjoying it.

  • Jack Thompson

    gamers casuals are prone to getting ripped off and enjoying it.

  • Jack Thompson

    “This is a proof that backlash works”
    Are you sure? Are you sure this wasn’t EA’s plan all along and this wasn’t a manufactured controversy so they could play “the good guy” while still maintaining a disgusting amount of slimy practices in a 60-80 dollar game?

  • 2501

    Im sorry but you gotta be one tone-deaf idiot to think that spending $80 in a DICE game will unlock you something good and promising.

  • Mr0303

    Yes, I’m pretty sure. They already had the entire P2W system in place and there was no reason to draw attention to it. This massive negative feedback is likely going to hurt them and the IP, which could cause some tension with Disney, so I don’t really think they are stupid enough to do this type of gambit with Battlefront. If it was their plan all along it massively backfired.

  • braneman

    Oh yeah and another reminder EA has an exclusive license for Star Wars games.

  • Jack Thompson

    “I don’t really think they are stupid enough”
    You do know that, among other things, EA has paid people to fake religious protests of one of their games to stir controversy? I’m fully convinced they can be this retarded. I also highly doubt they managed to get more than ten times the record for downvotes without heavy botting.

  • Mr0303

    The bots could be from either side. This also was their response to somebody discovering how long it would take to unlock said characters, so unless that guy is an EA plant as well this seems rather unlikely.

  • catazxy

    This will not not change much of EA’s cancer mictrotrasaction or sales, but it’s good to see at least some kind of backlash.

  • OldPalpy
  • InkViper

    Hey kids, were not going to give you a season pass! Instead where just going to Fuck you over with pay-to-win loot boxes, micro-transactions and punishingly long grinding sessions, in order to unlock any think fun and interesting if you don’t want to pay!

    Sincerely yours, with a big fat middle finger, EA.

  • Zanthos

    I’m not quite into the hip lingo, who? What? How?

  • OldPalpy

    It’s a fake quote attributed to cucklord Trudeau that embodies cucking out. The type of outage you’re talking about here didn’t lead the Xbone to crazy sales at launch when they thought they could just fuck gamers in the ass that’s why I see no point in keeping quiet here.

  • Zanthos

    Ah, gotcha. You do have a point about the Xbox, but a 60$ game is different from a 400$ console, I see the game doing well regardless the outrage.

  • Riosine

    µT and loot boxes are almost universally despised on game related boards.and forums, Thus the outrage will fail to generate an streissand effect type of setting that I think you are trying to imply

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    I never get tired of being called entitled by people who fallaciously equate entitlement to being spoiled, even when it comes to basic things like wanting a fully priced game to actually have content.

  • EroBotan

    the problem here is that there is no non-paying customers, everyone is paying lol

  • OldPalpy

    I can see the outrage making Disney antsy though, EA might not give a fuck but they will.

  • Volrath

    To be fair to the devs, they’re caught between the hard rock of EA’s “You must do it this way to make us money” and the gamers “Fuck you I bought it, give it to me”. It’s a shit place to be, but they signed on for it when they agreed to work for EA’s evil ass.

  • First it was Mass Effect, then it was Visceral, then Respawn, and now this.

    2017 is probably EA’s worst year ever. And I mean that sincerely.

  • Johnny “Beat” Medina

    Agreed, only ones likely to take bullets for this are lower MM pushed with the responsibility of initiating these practices in the first place. A CEO letter at best which is nothing.

  • RetroGamer

    Oooo….A game about space Dracula. Finally!

  • Travis Touchdown

    Meanwhile, I’m just sitting here playing my Nintendo Switch. The only gaming platform right now that has NO LOOT BOXES AT ALL.

  • Travis Touchdown
  • Kakaku

    Should probably let you know that there’s also a 75% reduction to credits earned from singleplayer. From 20,000 down to 5,000.

  • JohnnyCageFan2

    Came here to say that. See there, paying for things was never a good idea.

  • Madbrainbox

    That saying didn’t age well.

  • JohnnyCageFan2

    Yawn. So EA doing something shitty and gives a shitty response causes “mass” outrage on reddit. I have no sympathy for these players who have been fucked over. No one can honestly expect any good to come from EA and if they did, they’re a day old and shouldn’t be playing games anyway.

    -622k at the time of this post with 63 people giving them more money.

  • EroBotan

    In this case it’s more like paying for things you already paid XD

  • Noah

    This will not not change much of EA’s cancer mictrotrasaction or sales, but it’s good to see at least some kind of backlash.

  • Shiggy Diggy Doo
  • Justin Williams

    The “diversity shield”. Corporate defense tactic 101.

  • Justin Williams

    EA goes away when people refuse to buy EA product. Wait long enough and there wont be much product that isn’t EA.

  • Justin Williams

    EA isnt done with this by a mile. This is their new revenue model.

  • ActivistZero

    I’m glad this is getting the “scorched earth” treatment.

    And this might sound controversial, but I’d rather just pay for a season pass, at least than you had a relatively good idea what you are paying for compared to loot boxes

  • Pilebunker

    Not really. They’re so pissed because they bought the game and then discovered EA was screwing them over more than usual. I bet EA is scared now, as they weep themselves to sleep on their money bed.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    my favorite is whenever these SJW journos are “endangered”, their initial reaction is to brag on social media instead of going to the police.

  • Pilebunker

    Decades of evidence that EA is scummy.
    10 studios destroyed by them.
    Has started and implimented nearly every anti-consumer practice that companies use these days.
    Time and time again, they’ve shown they give 0 shits about their consumers.
    And people are now mad EA screwed them over? What a bunch of idiots. It’s like petting an animal after realizing it has rabies and then getting surprised when it bites you.

    To make things even better. Arcade mode holds credits back for 3 hours if you play it “too much”.
    https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableTenderCrowLitFam

    Even better. They cut the rewards by 75% too. And now they’ve removed the option to refund on the Origin page so you have to go through their horrible customer services. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f28feda05bdd52635b8a82408935762d1615be377d84b4fc697d044c5c7eb2ed.png

  • Madbrainbox

    I hope it gets worse.

  • Belmont

    When/Where did they do that? Curious to read about it. I know EA is cancer, but I haven’t seen that one.

  • Captain Vidya

    >…we’ll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have challenges that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via gameplay
    >put you on a cooldown from earning rewards if you’ve “played too much”
    You can’t make this shit up.

  • Jack Thompson

    https://archive.is/ndOke
    This is old news. EA is known to be extremely retarded and scummy. Paying someone to bot probably cost then less than these protesters

  • Belmont

    It’s a shame people get away with this kind of thing.

  • SiliconNooB

    Kind of funny how people dislike being robbed blind!