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Xenoblade Chronicles X Stream Reveals Cute Loli, Triggers Outrage [UPDATE]

Streaming games before they are released is one of the best parts about the web anymore. You can, if you want to anyway, see most of a (foreign developed) game before it even makes it to the west. I ruined Tales of Zestiria a bit thanks to that, but I don’t regret it.

Unfortunately, some sensitive folks are already regretting tuning into a Xenoblade Chronicles X stream, where a 13 year old character was revealed to be wearing a rather provocative uniform. “Monolith Soft might have crossed the line with this, considering the girl wearing the outfit in that screenshot is only 13,” said Mathew Davies of Ask Your Mum Gaming. “The real question is, why is [the] unnecessary costume even there in the first place?”

Some users on NeoGAF weren’t exactly happy either. “In such a case the bikini armor is there because the creators of the game felt strongly about it,” said Neon_Icarus when saying what could make the outfit appropriate enough to keep in game. Otherwise, the outfit is clearly “to appeal to horny otaku or just because they’re following scifi costume conventions.”

Other users simply want fanservice for both genders. “I’m not sure where these sudden realizations are coming from,” said Hours Left. “As long as it’s balanced between the male and female characters, I say bring it on.” Coming from this, it’s worth mentioning the previous game, Xenoblade Chronicles, had obtainable bikini outfits as well.

This is really nothing new in JRPGs, but being that this is a Nintendo game you can probably count on it being removed before the discs are even printed for us westerners. Or they could even change the spoken-about age of the character to something older, which has been done before. Either way, keep in mind that Japan’s age of consent is 13, so to them, this isn’t a huge deal. Still, you know how these things go. No doubt the same scrutiny that has been placed on NISA and Atlus will be placed upon Monolith/Nintendo as well.

Is this just another case of ethnocentrism rearing its ugly head or is there a reason to be outraged? Or perhaps it’s just a cute character done up in an anime-style and placed in a video game where you fight giant monsters with robots in a completely different universe?

[Editor’s Note: The article originally lacked examples of outrage regarding the bikini costume. It has since been amended to include a few examples.]

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Carl is both a JRPG fan and a CRPG'er who especially loves European PC games. Even with more than three decades of gaming under his belt, he feels the best of the hobby is yet to come.



356 comments
  1. JackDandy
    JackDandy
    April 26, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    They should keep it as it is

  2. VanFinale
    VanFinale
    April 26, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    The age of consent can’t really be 13 in japan can it?

  3. CrabCombat
    CrabCombat
    April 26, 2015 at 3:31 pm

    Never forget Tharja’s ass covering curtain

  4. Moofinator
    Moofinator
    April 26, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    As long as they don’t do BOTH of those things like they did with Bravely Default, it’ll be okay.
    Changing a characters age is one thing, but changing the outfits as well just makes the age change a completely pointless one.
    I prefer no graphics changes at all and just have the game say “She’s 18. No, really, she is.”, but that’s me.

  5. Azure
    Azure
    April 26, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    Well if it gets censored I ain’t buying a product with content cut out . Its a shame it looks good too.

  6. Doc Hammer
    Doc Hammer
    April 26, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    No. I won’t stand for it if they come for Xenoblade. That will be my Alamo.

  7. Loli-Nox-Tan
    Loli-Nox-Tan
    April 26, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    It is, though it’s frowned upon if you are older than 18yrs and you date someone under 18yrs

  8. Anderino
    Anderino
    April 26, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    It’s a similar age in some other countries too, like Spain and Brasil. 13 is around when the body is physically and adult anyway (as in ready to reproduce), so I see nothing wrong with age of consent being around the age of puberty.

  9. Azure
    Azure
    April 26, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    The brain is supposed to be fully developed after something like 11 years too.

  10. Eshu_Eleggua
    Eshu_Eleggua
    April 26, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    People get outraged by everything these days. I would be okay with a changing of the age, but wouldn’t like it if they changed the character’s appearance. Why they can’t leave well enough alone I just don’t understand.

  11. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    April 26, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    “I don’t like thing”

    okay

  12. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    April 26, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    Hooray for another moral panic!

  13. ndyBery
    ndyBery
    April 26, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    I think that’s the countrywide law but individual regions have local laws that increase it

  14. Cqef
    Cqef
    April 26, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    I wouldn’t be okay with a change of age either, because this would create a gap between her act and her age. I’d be more okay with just not mentioning her age, it’s the least worse thing to do imo.

  15. Siveon
    Siveon
    April 26, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    Meh. If it does get censored, shucks, that sucks. If it doesn’t, cool. This kind of shit is getting really old after a while. Japan is weird sometimes, people, deal with it.

    Anyway, I think after all the promotion Nintendo gave to this game, I’m betting that they’ll at least give that character a shirt.

  16. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 26, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    Only in the sense that the United States has no age of consent: it’s true, however “lower” levels of government ALL set it higher.

  17. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 26, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    I’m buying this used if it gets censored.

  18. Zack
    Zack
    April 26, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    I swear, the character models in this game remind me too much of Star Ocean International… and it’s not a good thing…

  19. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    Odds are nothing will happen unless people make it a big deal on purpose, which is what these sites seem to be doing. Did this make the evening news or something? No one cares, it’s manufactured outrage coming from nobody.

  20. YukiTron
    YukiTron
    April 26, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    This will most definitely be censored.

    It’s not to protect the kids, it’s to prevent concerned parents from calling Nintendo about what the heck their kids are playing/watching.

    To anyone complaining, you know you’re gonna get this game anyway if you have a Wii U

  21. landlock
    landlock
    April 26, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    That made her look naked.

  22. assdwarf
    assdwarf
    April 26, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    Bravely Default and Fire Emblem got censored before anyone complained, and they’re both published by Nintendo.

  23. Narmy
    Narmy
    April 26, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    Jesus Christ, why are people so eager to have things censored these days. Some of the comments in these articles are simply depressing.

    I thought the anime/JRPG community would be more open-minded than most, considering the “odd” nature of most Japanese media, but I have seen a lot of hate against loli from inside the community recently, and I honestly do not understand it. These aren’t real underage people, they are fictional characters. Age of consent has no bearing here, I don’t even know why it’s mentioned.

  24. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    Maybe, but those might have been a little more visible. This seems like you have to go looking for it, rather than a default outfit.

  25. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    April 26, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    That character is gonna get a shirt or something. No way Nintendo is gonna allow that. In comparison to everything else this game is offering, I still wish I had a WiiU to buy this.

  26. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    Because suddenly people are going to start doing whatever the videogames showed them, don’t you know?

    They’re trying to head off potential criticism by people who wouldn’t buy the game anyways, and in so doing are making the most noise about it. No one actually cares about this, there’s no controversy here and no one is being hurt or exploited.

  27. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    Because having a loli character’s outfit potentially censored ruins the experience, ya? You are retarded if you don’t support Nintendo on account of something so majorly insignificant~.

  28. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    …are you for real? How is one outfit removed cutting content when the game itself is a massive World to play in? Sorry, but you people and your crusades against censorship that has no weight whatsoever on the game is absolutely inane~.

  29. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    Solution? Make the characters look westerner. That seems to work for all the Western titles in getting under the radar of censorship so that they may get away with murder, genocide, prostitution, etc~.

  30. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    Which really just makes us look like a bunch of cultural bigots.

  31. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    But the West *is*, for the most part, a bunch of cultural bigots. People look down on Japan for hentai and anime when we bask in gratuituous amounts of violence and sex as means of positioning a product out there. And when it comes to videogames? Whew, we have it all except lolis. Lolis are sacred, everything else is fair game, even if it involves murdering the Western version of a loli / shota. I think we call them “kids”, over this part of the World~.

  32. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    Yep, but we fall all over ourselves trying not to be bigots in other ways. For the hentai and anime, I think the fact that it’s animated means to them that “it’s for kids” which causes the “think of the children!” reaction, which is what happened to video games in general for a long time. Games were only for kids, so if you make a violent game you’re trying to brainwash our children into committing violent acts or some other equally ridiculous notion.

    TLDR; People hate what’s different and don’t like to think for themselves

  33. Milewde
    Milewde
    April 26, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    Cover that up! Put that thing away! Keep your pants on! Tuck that in!

  34. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    April 26, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    These kinds of situations are always precarious for me. I don’t like to stand for any amount of censorship and so I prefer to buy used when it comes up, but I’m absolutely ecstatic for Xenoblade and want to support it.

    Frankly, I think her outfit looks terrible as is, not because of her age, but just because she looks bad. I don’t think giving her a shirt or aging her a bit is so bad, but it’s the principle of the matter. You start sliding on a little thing here and a little thing there, and before you know it, you’re allowing significant things to get censored.

    Luckily, I don’t have a Wii U yet, so the decision can be put on hold.

  35. Azure
    Azure
    April 26, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    So you really up for your content to be censored then? How about your gore because that’s next on the list if you give censorship a foothold by lying down to the little things.

  36. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    Fantasy armor often looks ridiculous if you think too hard about it. In this case that actually doesn’t even look like an armor or clothing piece to me, but the ‘naked’ texture when you don’t have a top equipped.

  37. vileBrenman
    vileBrenman
    April 26, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    Are people sure this isn’t a custom character cuz I know you can make your own character in this game

  38. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    It’s Lyn, who’s a known party member. The so called issue here is that particular piece of armor, or the ‘naked’ texture when none is worn, whichever it is.

  39. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 26, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    I have principles.

  40. William Bargo
    William Bargo
    April 26, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    Buddy your fucked in the head if you don’t see why that outfit needs to be cut

  41. William Bargo
    William Bargo
    April 26, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    Because shit like that should not have been made

  42. Badmojo7
    Badmojo7
    April 26, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    The outrage comes from the perpetually offended SJW’s who the vast majority of do not even play these games or deal with anything they are offended about. They are just a hate mob who go around finding things to be offended about and attack companies/people over it.

  43. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    What I don’t get is if there wasn’t an outrage, it would probably be ignored and shipped as is. It’s the outrage that makes them aware and if that stupid shit didn’t happen, we wouldn’t get localization censorship.

  44. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 26, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    You’re a horrible person if you need to change a series of lights because it offends your morality.

  45. E M P
    E M P
    April 26, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    She’s cute. Too bad she will be censored to confine to Western standards. Whatever, I’ll go drown out my sorrows with Brutal DOOM. If I can’t have my lolis I’ll at least have my gratuitous gore.

  46. E M P
    E M P
    April 26, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    You expect SJWs to be quiet? Ha!

  47. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    It’s just one outfit. One. Saying that gore is next is inane, you are just crusading for the sake of it~.

  48. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    Your principles are playing against gaming if you don’t support this game on account of one skimpy outfit potentially being censored~.

  49. Narmy
    Narmy
    April 26, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    But the thing is, it seems like it’s not only SJWs. I’ve noticed people who enjoy hardcore hentai and lewd games just fine, but for some reason once you add lolis into the equation they act like it’s abhorrent and needs to be censored.

  50. Azure
    Azure
    April 26, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    You are talking to someone who works as a lifeguard I see this shit nearly everyday that is passable to wear on a minor but has to be censored in a 3d virtual space -.-

  51. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    April 26, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    “Is this just another case of ethnocentrism rearing its ugly head or is there a reason to be outraged?”
    There is only 1 reason for these people to be outraged, for teh sake of being outraged, it’s like their hobby or something.

  52. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 26, 2015 at 6:19 pm

    Not surprised,this is the state pc is now,worrying very worrying for the future but not only for videogames but for whole society what these thought fascists are pushing for.

  53. mega jew
    mega jew
    April 26, 2015 at 6:20 pm

    The people who are complaining won’t even play it.

  54. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 26, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    They don’t care,they want to impose us their thinking.

  55. William Bargo
    William Bargo
    April 26, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    Yah if only those lights Didnt a make half naked thirteen year old girl.

  56. Azure
    Azure
    April 26, 2015 at 6:26 pm

    I take it you do not go to the beach or pool much?

  57. William Bargo
    William Bargo
    April 26, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    buddy I want you to think about this long i. Hard. I’m arguing that a video game should not have a half naked child as major a thing. And your arguing that is fine.

  58. ndyBery
    ndyBery
    April 26, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    Can we please stop using “SJW” as a word meaning someone who is wrong because they disagree with me?

    I don’t agree with them – but what exactly is social justice about this? There are people who aren’t all feminism and tumblr who would be offended by scantily clad lolis. SJWs aren’t the only group around who sometimes endorse censorship, you know.

  59. Azure
    Azure
    April 26, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    Your point is? Wheres the problem with that? Are you attempting to retort to calling those that defend this pedophiles. To use the word pedophile/pedophilia as the ultimate trump card to win a argument? Because you are going to claim that we are now sexually attracted to a bunch of polygons replicating a fictional character which is clearly blowing it out of proportion on your part if this is the route you are trying to take. Yeah people are weird but this is ways away from putting this as pedophilia for defending a costume that would be more than acceptable in areas where there is sun.

  60. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    It’s disappointing really. Outrage over something so miniscule and insignificant. It’s still censorship and I’m against it of any kind because it’s a slippery slope. I don’t get how people like that function in real life.

  61. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 6:46 pm

    Why is it so hard to believe that people just don’t like censorship instead of us automatically being labeled as pedos?

  62. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 26, 2015 at 6:46 pm

    These people work on outrage,it’s their job and their hate mob mentality for disagreeing with them is a danger to our society.

  63. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    I agree with this statement. I’m not gonna buy full price if you have to censor because some were “offended.”

  64. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    It’s not the fact that’s it’s a skimpy outfit. It’s the fact that its censorship. People don’t like it and feel it unnecessary. Censorship is the tool of an immature fool.

  65. Narmy
    Narmy
    April 26, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    They just use the pedo excuse to try and shut down any debate. If it wasn’t a loli they’d call you a misogynist instead for the same reason.

  66. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    Its not a child. Its a bunch of polygons.

  67. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    The people who want it censored aren’t members of the anime world. They aren’t the target audience.

  68. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    I remember people being mad about both of those things. Bravely Default even went as far as aging everyone a couple years because one of the characters was 15 while the others were 18.

  69. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    Yeah well, blaming Nintendo / Monolith when all they are doing is comply with the institutions / reviewers that could cockblock their games doing well isn’t particulary mature. Now, about the fool part, let me just tell you: you don’t buy this game for such a moronic reason, you are dooming the chances of a third entry. How’s that for smart~?

  70. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    Censorship should have died with the SNES era. They should have learned their lesson from screwing up mortal kombat

  71. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    I disagree. Censorship isn’t benefiting anyone

  72. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 26, 2015 at 7:01 pm

  73. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 26, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    This is one of the reasons why Nintendo has a kiddie image.

  74. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 7:06 pm

    For them to understand the Streisand effect would require them to admit that they’re doing it wrong. And SJWs can never admit wrongdoing

  75. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    April 26, 2015 at 7:08 pm

    Yeah, I’m typically okay with weird fantasy armor simple because I’m a style over practicality kind of guy when I’ve got an out-of-this-world setting already established.

    But this girl’s outfit just looks bad to me. It looks like the straps that should be going over a cool shirt or underneath a rad jacket.

  76. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 26, 2015 at 7:08 pm

    Count me on this one as well.
    I’d never give my support to censorship.

    I’ve actually been very hyped for this game, counting the weeks to get it, but not hyped enough that I wouldn’t just pass on it and play something else instead if they did something so terrible.

    There are already so many games I want to play and so little time to play them all that giving up on one or two is no problem.

  77. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Go to Metacritics and look up the aggregate scores for Monster Monpiece, Senran Kagura, XBLAZE, and other niche games that have moderate to big amounts of fanservice. Then go to the reviews and read the comments. If you don’t think reviews don’t have that much power in generating a negative image of japanese games, then you are being naive~.

  78. sanic
    sanic
    April 26, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Can we just make it a tank top and shut up about it, I honestly feel it says more about peoples sexual desires when they get upset over stuff like this but I really want the game and would make this one concession.

  79. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 26, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    I’d like to state that for the record, she isn’t really a loli.

  80. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    It’s just a bloody costume. You are like a kid making a big fuss over a small thing. On the other hand, lack of support towards a game of Xenoblade’s caliber does hurt everybody as it ruins the chances of more games like it if it doesn’t sell because all of you online warriors think you are being heroes throwing hissy fits over *one* costume~.

  81. Narmy
    Narmy
    April 26, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Monster Monpiece was already censored, so that just proves that there is literally no reason to try and appease these people if they’re going to give it bad publicity whether it’s censored or not.

  82. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    That’s why I don’t think the top is an outfit at all, but just the very base texture, the underwear if you will. We’ve seen pictures of the skimpier doll suits, but this is even more so, it really does look like she just doesn’t have a top equipped. Which is perfect if you’re trying to make the character look naked to spark outrage.

  83. Azure
    Azure
    April 26, 2015 at 7:15 pm

    They freaking censored the adults too. Nothing is showing but they had to completely cut out artwork making it very confusing to what was fully upgraded or not. That censorship actually effected the game.

  84. ndyBery
    ndyBery
    April 26, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    To expand on this – while this kind of discussion was probably beyond the scope of the original painting (being pre-internet and all), something like a painting or in this case pictures generated in a video game, don’t imply the existence of the thing it depicts.

    It’s this argument that means I will never understand the mentality that something should be banned *from fiction*.

    The statement of it not being a pipe would still hold true if it were a photograph of a pipe, but at least a genuine photograph means the subject of the image existed in the first place. That’s why it can be illegal to possess certain photographs. But why some people think a cartoon should ever be banned? Beats me.

    That said, I personally don’t see something this minor as a reason hot to get the game.

  85. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 7:17 pm

    Monster Monpiece was censored to conform with ESRB standards. If you don’t like it, take it to them instead of punishing a published for doing their job. Their job is to make great games and make money out of it. You didn’t buy MM because of censorship? Well, guess what:
    1. You missed on a really fun TCG title~.
    2. You didn’t suppor the industry and lowered the chances of seeing more titles coming to the West~.

    So, I guess to you it’s super cool that we don’t get more niche games since you’d rather not play them at all than play them altered to conform to the standards set by a prude-ish market. Your logic as a gamer eludes me~.

  86. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    Being against censorship no matter how small isn’t moronic. That shit is a slippery slope.

  87. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    Plus anyone who was buying that game knew what they were getting into, there’s no reason to tone it down. No one was going to play it and then suddenly get offended when they saw *those* pictures.

  88. Narmy
    Narmy
    April 26, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    “Monster Monpiece was censored to conform with ESRB standards.”

    And you call me naive.

  89. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 26, 2015 at 7:20 pm

    An industry that does not respect itself, its creators, or its audience does not deserve to exist.
    This is the reason videogames are not art yet, art is not censored, art is criticized, art is bashed, but art is not censored.

  90. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    God forbid us adult know the difference. And Children wouldn’t care or not even play the game.

  91. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    She’s not even cute. But I’m sick of censorship. Monster monpiece, bravely default, etc. Where do they draw the line? As Gabe Newell said, everything offends someone. We can’t censor everything. But we can censor nothing though

  92. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    It’s a “bloody costume” now. Next it will be whole fucking sections of games taken out because it doesn’t agree with some convoluted moral code. Then games not being localized because people aren’t allowed to be free-thinking adults.

  93. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 7:27 pm

    I gotta say that Nintendo of America’s track record when it comes to censorship is incredibly inconsistent.

  94. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    When it happens, cry about it. Until then, you are just speculating. May as well start crying that if you don’t oppose such “vile censorship”, then one day you’ll be spied by some Government agency. Sorry, conspiracy theories have as much weight as people calling others pedophiles for being ok with the uncensored content [I am, by the way, I just don’t stone a company for seeking to play it safe]~.

  95. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    You do realize investing time into redoing art costs money, no? I mean, maybe it’s not a lot, maybe it’s next to nothing. But it costs money. They had to censor 40 cards because.. what? You thought they just figured it’d be cool to alienate all the online warriors who are so honorable they oppose the “mighty censorship hammer”? It’s a business, they do what they do to sell better~.

  96. Tromboner
    Tromboner
    April 26, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    Oh look, the ideas police have arrived. I suppose Nabokov shouldn’t have been allowed to write Lolita, then?

  97. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 7:40 pm

    See you chalk it up to “conspiracy theories”, but this shit is a very real thing. Censorship has always been a slippery slope and to be so blasé about it is why these companies get away with shit like this.

  98. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 26, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    I don’t get the whole Nintendo strategy,how many times have i shaked my head at their decisions.

  99. deadeye
    deadeye
    April 26, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    Well, they changed some of the costumes in Bravely Defauly, and I honestly liked the new designs better. Call it censoring if you want, but I was happy with the change.

    When it comes to games that aren’t driven by fanservice, I prefer clothes that I look at it and say “yes, this is something a human would wear as normal attire”.

    But that’s just me. I doubt they’ll do something like take the character out. Really, all they’d have to do is say she’s 18, and it’s fine.

    And Nintendo was totally cool with Bayonetta, but the difference here is the fact that this character is a child. And before someone mentions parents putting little girls in tiny bikinis here in americaland and parading them around, most people find that crap to be absolutely disgusting.

  100. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    I know right? Everyone who abuses real children does so because of that book, not for any other reason. Nope.

  101. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 26, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    Should you not be at Tumbr or Kotaku with your other friends?This is the wrong site for you.

  102. ndyBery
    ndyBery
    April 26, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    No, it’s a good thing people with differing opinions are here. Echochambers aren’t a positive thing to have no matter whose side it’s on.

    Of course, I’d prefer they offered compelling arguments to back up their opinions, but it’s a start.

  103. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    I agree, no need to chase people away. We’re for the freedom of expression, after all. That’s the whole reason we’re upset.

  104. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 26, 2015 at 7:59 pm

    The outfit is a really minor portion of the game, her age is part of the character. And she’s an important character for the story. It might be a relevant part of her identity and her role.
    Changing it could be a worse case of censorship in the end.

  105. Fenrir7
    Fenrir7
    April 26, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    It’s just a game model, who gives a shit. This character can be literally any age.

  106. Tromboner
    Tromboner
    April 26, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    From where do you get the moral authority to tell others what they can do?

  107. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    And your precedents to justify your mentality are…~?

  108. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 26, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    It’s around 13 in most of the world.

  109. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    I personally think they either won’t edit at all, or maybe just alter the top just enough so there isn’t underboob. It really is a minor detail, and probably something you have to go looking for like I said earlier.

    Plus this game probably isn’t being marketed to the younger crowd as much. And Nintendo is trying to shed it’s reputation for being kids only by having more mature games, so they may be looser in general with whatever guidelines they have. This outfit isn’t even sexual in nature, it’s just revealing, and the two aren’t the same thing.

  110. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 8:09 pm

    But it’s fun to get outraged over things that aren’t hurting anybody!

  111. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    Its not just a costume, its just censorship to just pander to injust sjws who are getting their knickers in a twist over just a costume.

    If it was just a costume you wouldn’t be up in arms over it. You’d tell yourself its just a costume, let them have it

  112. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    Exactly, they’re not acting like it’s just a costume, they’re making the implication that it’s harmful in some manner, else why must it be removed?

    What they fail to specify is who or what is being harmed, and how. It’s the same BS with violence in video games. They made implications that playing them would turn everyone into crazy murderers, and guess what? Big shocker here, but it didn’t happen. They were full of crap then, and they’re full of crap now.

  113. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    April 26, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    Ah, right, right – I get what you’re saying now.

  114. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    Well it’s speculation on my part, but it looks a lot like the underwear textures you see on characters in other games that let you unequip everything. Nothing sensational or sexual about it those either.

  115. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    Because I would rather live in a free society with things I don’t like than to censor them out of existence because I don’t like them.

  116. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 8:24 pm

    Well a scientific study came out saying games don’t lead to violence or sexism. So they have to move on to the next one. And the next one.

    And frankly, comparing this girls shirt to pedophilia disgusts me as someone who was raped as a child. She’s not a child, she isn’t suffering like I did. These people should be protecting meme and children like me, not a mesh of polygons with an rgb value they disapprove of. Their priorities are so wrong its offensive, and you’d think people so obsessed about offending people would care when they offend people

  117. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 26, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    The only thing the censoring achieved in the end was giving the company bad reputation with the people that actually represent business to them and lost sales.
    Plus the costs of the censorship editing.
    The reviews were still bad for the same sort of reasons as they would have anyway, but now the word of mouth was terrible for the game.

    In this day and age promotion of games has become very demographic oriented.
    Casual games for phones on superbowl adds, AAA shooters on snack promotions and so on.
    For a niche game like Monpiece, word of mouth is actually the most valuable marketing tool it has, much more than metacritic scores which are at this point the laughing stock of the industry.

  118. deadeye
    deadeye
    April 26, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    I think which is worse is a bit subjective.

    I mean, DoA and Senran Kagura remove the ages. Honestly, I don’t find age to be very meaningful to a character.

    But maybe I’m just played too many games with “I may have the body of a 13 year old, but I’m actually 5000 years old” characters.

  119. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    That’s just it, they don’t actually care. And you’re right, their behavior is abhorrent because it cheapens real rape and abuse. NOTHING that happens in videogames is hurting people, with the only exception being something libelous, but since this isn’t depicting a real individual that point is irrelevant.

  120. phagette
    phagette
    April 26, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    Oh for fuck’s sake, Lynlee doesn’t even look human to begin with. I don’t mind if she gets her age bumped up or omitted, they better not remove real in-game content because it potentially offends someone who didn’t even buy the game.

  121. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    Omitting the age is the lesser of evils to me, rather than changing it or changing to look.

  122. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 26, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    DOA and SK sell themselves on the basis of fanservice, the costumes are all a big deal so they are important.
    The plot is there too but their ages are something that is mostly played in the background.

    In the case of Lynlee I am thinking it might be a more relevant role.
    She’s one of the youngest characters part of an expedition in a scary new world after their previous was destroyed so maybe they’ll try to do something with that. She also seems to be very talented at her young age which could also be part of her as a character, her identity, a genius kid of sorts.

    For Xenoblade the costumes are all over the place, there are tons of them, so editing one wouldn’t seem like such a big deal, and the fanservice is more of a plus they add to appeal to everyone, except I guess those that hate having options they morally object to, but it is not really a core part of the experience.
    But the story is, the characters are, it is an RPG after all.

    So from my view the narrative aspects such as the character’s identity would be more important than a visual bonus such as one outfit.
    In this particular case at list.

  123. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 26, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    And they didn’t because people like me didn’t buy the game.

    Now to be fair, had they taken it to the ESRB prior to censoring then I would find that forgivable and give them my support. I abhor preemptive censoring but find it understandable when the ratings boards force it on them. Yes, I’m aware that getting it rated costs money.

  124. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 26, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Anger and outrage does release endorphins or something which gives people a high. If they’re reveling in outrage because of that, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.

  125. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    Ok, so you have no precedents. Just what I was trying to get at. You are just crying foul for the sake of it. There’s no precedent in the industry of videogames that shows that because something was allowed to be censored, then something worse was censored too. You are just speculating, no matter how you want to twist it~.

  126. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    I am not opposed at all to the costume. Don’t think I’m pro censorship. I’m pro gaming and supporting companies who invest in big AAA productions that aren’t CoD. Big difference. In the grand scheme of things though, it’s just a costume, we aren’t being deprived of content and the game won’t be altered by it~.

  127. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 26, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    You aren’t supporting companies, you’re telling them you don’t give a shit and they should bow to the whims of the prepetually offended.

  128. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    April 26, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    theyve been doing this for decades though. A minor costume change from East to West has been the norm. from Poison on the SNES version of Fatal Fury, to some of the costumes in Bravely Default. Its 1 costume, and if its anything like Xenoblade on Wii, there’ll be plenty other costumes.
    Now if it snowballs beyond this, then I’ll be pissed.

  129. Kraken
    Kraken
    April 26, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    if its good enough for japan its good enough for me.

  130. Kraken
    Kraken
    April 26, 2015 at 9:16 pm

    i bet any of the female characters are able to wear that same outfit, but now its going to get pruded up for the lot of them because people are butt mad about it being on the “13” year old

  131. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    I disagree, long as I pay. I am supporting them. What exactly are you supporting with your exacerbated bitching~?

  132. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    Worse, Japan has a lower rape level than us. We should be mimicking them, not trashing them. If a near naked mesh means a pedophile doesn’t have to victimize real girls, then by all means “victimize” that mesh, since it can’t suffer.

  133. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    Supporting censorship isn’t supporting devs though. They don’t like censorship

  134. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 26, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    The creative freedoms of the original creators.

  135. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    I haven’t personally read whether there is evidence to suggest that it lessens sexual assaults, but I think it’s pretty clear that it’s not causing them either. It might be that it really does serve as an outlet for certain people though.

  136. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    Pretty sure the creators don’t need you to white knight for them. They need you to buy their games~.

  137. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    It has happened. Entire games have been banned in areas. Like hotline Miami, GTA, people tried to get hatred banned but Gabe Newell put his foot down saying everything offends someone. If we start deleting things that offend people we have to delete stupid crap like shrubbery cause these people make ridiculous itemized lists of what offends them.

  138. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    I disagree. I’ve seen many devs thank us for protesting censorship.

  139. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 26, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    You aren’t supporting censorship, you are supporting a product that has no other way to make it to the West. Stop being so thick headed~.

  140. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 26, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    National age of consent is 13 but the prefectural age of consents are usually around 18. Prefectural age of consent takes precedence over the national one.

  141. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 26, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    They usually are though because sexism or something. At this point, it’s a knee jerk reaction but sticks around since it’s usually right.

  142. David
    David
    April 26, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    I figure this character will be altered in someway and that is just the name of the game I suppose. Sad that I’ve come to expect this when it comes to Japanese games coming to the west. I love how (in the us) we are fine with mass murder/violence, but something maybe possibly sexual? That shit has to go!

  143. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    It’s because our country is sexually repressed, and it’s not healthy.

  144. RetroGamer
    RetroGamer
    April 26, 2015 at 10:22 pm

    I can agree with the statements that this is just a fictional character and that the outfit isn’t the end of the world. On the other hand, saying you will not buy one of the system’s best games over something so frivolous as one outfit potentially getting cut is just crazy. This is a very impressive game and I fully intend to support the developer with my business, regardless of what happens with the outfit.

  145. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    I agree, and as I’ve said before I think there’s a good chance it won’t even be changed in this case. It just bugs me that anyone even thinks it is something to be outraged about in the first place.

    Hell at this point I’m more annoyed about the name change of dolls to skells lol.

  146. David
    David
    April 26, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    True that

  147. RetroGamer
    RetroGamer
    April 26, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    That’s pretty much how I feel. The costume doesn’t bother me in the least, but I’m not going to pass over a great game if it is removed. The only message I want to send to the developer is that there is still a market for JRPGs and that I want them to keep coming West.

  148. AvengerLoli
    AvengerLoli
    April 26, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    Being part of the “I really want this game so I’ll make this one concession” crowd makes you part of the problem.
    People smile and nod at this sort of content being altered all the time, but if the blood was taken out of Mortal Combat X you’d all be singing a different tune.

  149. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 26, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    So import instead of buying what a western branch created as a derivative work?

  150. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 11:14 pm

    GTA5 and Hotline Miami would beg to differ.

  151. sanic
    sanic
    April 26, 2015 at 11:23 pm

    Kombat* Also no I don’t like mortal kombat and we know how the original mortal kombat blood issue was resolved.

  152. Leos
    Leos
    April 26, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    Here’s hoping. NOA had a bad record of doing it albeit inconsistent.

  153. Brotaku
    Brotaku
    April 26, 2015 at 11:31 pm

    The game developers made a game they wanted to make. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to buy it. Let those of us who want to play it the way it is enjoy it, and you can go and play something else.

  154. Ferrick
    Ferrick
    April 26, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    they made a game they wanted to make, but it won’t end up as the game they wanted it to be if censorship hits

  155. Brotaku
    Brotaku
    April 26, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    Who are you to tell people what they should and should not make for others to buy? If you don’t like it don’t buy it. No one is forcing you to. Let those of us who want to enjoy it buy it. You are not the target audience. You have no right to tell game developers what they should or should not be allowed to make, because it’s their game, their idea, and their desire to make it.

    I won’t tell you not to make pancakes and sell them on the street to people just because I don’t like pancakes. You can make whatever you want, and if people like them, they will buy them. If not, then they won’t. That’s the beauty of the free market. Businesses will make or break based on supply and demand.

  156. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    I’m saying you are supporting censorship. Specifically you. That isn’t supporting devs. Stop being so thickheaded yourself

  157. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 11:41 pm

    I did the same thing for littlebigplanet

  158. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    Are we arguing that this picture must be kept out of the hands of children cause they might smoke it?

  159. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    April 26, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    Please. If recent events have taught us anything its that peoples brains are never fully developed. Especially if they work at kotaku

  160. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    April 26, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    People on the other article just gave their two cents and told the author to relax. Don’t know why the title here said that there was an outrage and don’t know why the other article said there was a controversy, but there really isn’t anything to go up in arms against yet.

  161. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 26, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    I’m still wondering myself who was originally outraged, other than perhaps these authors trying to manufacture it for page views. Yay journalism, huh.

  162. Narmy
    Narmy
    April 26, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    There’s also this article as well, which is even more critical of the outfit:
    https://archive.is/LYTD1

    The outrage for me is that people would even suggest that this should be censored.

  163. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 27, 2015 at 12:04 am

    Ugh, another one. They’re acting like they found some dirty secret.

  164. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    April 27, 2015 at 12:10 am

    I saw that article too, it’s pretty much a copy and paste of the operationrainfall one with the closing sentence being the only original thing that person wrote.

  165. Sylveria Shini
    Sylveria Shini
    April 27, 2015 at 12:15 am

    The people who are claiming they wont buy the game over this never were going to buy the game in the first place. Their threats are completely hollow.

  166. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 27, 2015 at 12:16 am

    Worse still, there’s no way the developer will know it’s for that reason. They’ll just think the West hates awesome mech JRPGs.

  167. Zizal
    Zizal
    April 27, 2015 at 12:59 am

    It’s really lovely to see the website without censorship. I think everything should be allowed. Unlike the website owner where he draw the line around death threats because I don’t think threatening someone over internet will do much. It’s really sad to see website like Gematsu censoring every comment that the mod doesn’t agree with.

  168. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:13 am

    Cultural ignorance at its finest again.

    Nintendo shouldn’t change a damn thing, but they will, because they’re Nintendo and they’re cowards. Please understand.

  169. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:16 am

    If you’re going to deny yourself the best RPG on the Wii U over this, you’re out of your damn mind.

    Have you ever played a Kirby game? Did you know there are CHANGES between the JP and US versions?

  170. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:17 am

    I’m all for censoring underage *sexual* content. But an outfit alone is not it.

  171. lpchaim
    lpchaim
    April 27, 2015 at 1:18 am

    Then again, it probably was the player who chose to (un?)equip that one piece of armor, if it’s anything like the first game. Oh well, it’ll probably be removed anyway.
    On a semi-related note, it’s unbeliavable how wrong the faces look in this game.

  172. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 27, 2015 at 1:23 am

    That’s sexual repression for you. They can’t differentiate between nudity and sex. It’s most likely just her undergarments, it’s not like they’ve got her on a stripper pole here.

  173. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:25 am

    “this would create a gap between her act and her age”

    Would it though? JRPG characters never act their age.

  174. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:27 am

    Bayonetta didn’t, though.

  175. Brotaku
    Brotaku
    April 27, 2015 at 1:31 am

    I agree. My statement was targeted to the people who think they made something they shouldn’t have.

  176. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 27, 2015 at 1:32 am

    Devil’s Third is rumored to be rather mature as well. I don’t know, this isn’t a Mario game or anything, I don’t think we can just assume that Nintendo will censor it like their own properties would be.

  177. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:35 am

    Personally, I honestly don’t see the appeal of the loli.

  178. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:36 am

    Underage stuff is pretty sick though. Most people are going to agree with that. So stuff that toes the line isn’t going to win you many fans.

    While I don’t advocate censorship of existing things, I’d be more than happy to see that stuff just not included at all.

  179. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 1:37 am

    200% sure she will wear a burka in the western release.

  180. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    April 27, 2015 at 1:37 am

    He’s actually in P3, but yeah. Sorry for being picky.

  181. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 1:38 am

    I see no problem with it, personally. Its just a drawing.

  182. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:39 am

    So? If it’s just a drawing why do you care about if it’s censored or not?

    Face it, the drawing actually does mean something, or video games would be pointless. Stories? Meaningless. Characters? Irrelevant.

  183. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 1:40 am

    It’s a slippery slope I, personally, would rather not fund. I’ll get it used instead if they go that route, but I’ll let Nintendo know about my choice by e-mailing them. Not that it matters, but feedback is important on those things.

  184. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:40 am

    Seriously, I can’t even think of anyone who’d want to wear that. Even in a fantasy world.

  185. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 1:41 am

    “So? If it’s just a drawing why do you care about if it’s censored or not?”

    Because I’m against ideas, or hell, art in general being censored.

    Yes, the drawing means something. What it doesn’t mean, though, is that what you are seeing is an actual child.

  186. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:42 am

    There’s a difference between people who are offended by scantily clad lolis, and people advocating for censorship of scantily clad lolis. Those are the SJWs.

  187. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 1:43 am

    This is the beauty of RPGs. There are multiple party members. If you dont like or connect to one, you can always look forward to the others – at least on party based games.

  188. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:44 am

    So there’s no immersion in games? Damn, what have I been doing, actually getting invested in characters and stories. I should have just been treating them like a bunch of pixels and not caring at all!

    You can’t have it both ways.

  189. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 1:45 am

    You’re right, my finger slipped. I even looked it up to make sure of his age being posting. But thanks to editing, now you just look weird.

  190. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 1:45 am

    This is one of the reasons why I like the comment section here. I dont want a place to be particularly biased towards one point of view when it comes to moderation.

    Nichegamer seems to be anti-censorship, which is something I like about them, but at the same time, has a very hands-off approach to moderation, allowing all points of view to be defended, as long as everyone remains civil. This is a rarity these days in gaming websites.

  191. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 1:46 am

    I’m not sure where I said that. Can you point it out?

  192. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 27, 2015 at 1:50 am

    I think you can get immersed in it while still realizing it’s fiction.

  193. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    April 27, 2015 at 1:57 am

    I don’t think it’s the RPG community mostly. It’s the feminazi community. I remember all the SJW’s were excited about Assassin’s Creed Liberation, and the game sold like crap.

  194. phagette
    phagette
    April 27, 2015 at 2:01 am

    If I didn’t know any better I’d say you tread a dangerous path not being able to tell between fiction and reality.

  195. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 27, 2015 at 2:01 am

    Doesn’t surprise me one bit. That’s the thing, the people who’ll make the most noise aren’t the gamers who are buying this stuff, they’re just looking for some scandal to hitch their wagon to.

  196. DeusEx
    DeusEx
    April 27, 2015 at 2:05 am

    I honestly don’t know how anyone could be a fan of anime/manga and not
    like the hamfisted or gratuitous sexuality. Same thing with loli. I was
    certain that would scare off all the prudes, but those damn puritans
    seem so dead set on destroying fun for everyone.

    I’m not looking forward to the inevitability that I will have to take another crack at committing the time and effort to become fluent in Japanese just to enjoy the content their entertainment industries produce because there are so many fucking cry babies and censor happy faggots on this side of the ocean.

  197. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    April 27, 2015 at 2:11 am

    Hey man – I understand you might not be used to all the new faces and opinions here but we welcome all – whether they agree with the majority/staff or not. Try to be more mindful :)

  198. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    April 27, 2015 at 2:12 am

    Thank you, I take great pride in this.

  199. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    April 27, 2015 at 2:13 am

    I don’t get “immersed” in video games. I just see them as a form of entertainment, and when the game is over, it’s over. There’s just no way I’m going to relate to some pointy ear elf dude that’s tries to save the world from some villain. Same thing if it’s some guy in a war, on missions killing various terrorists.

    This character doesn’t look 13 to me though. She looks more like Yuffie from FFVII with underboob. However this is the norm for Japan. Japan has a thing called “junior idols”. Since they don’t care about young girls dressing like that in real life, it’s going to be obvious they don’t care about fictional characters dressing like that.

  200. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    April 27, 2015 at 2:16 am

    I really am thankful to see people mentioning this. I don’t want us to feel like a lawless community, but I definitely, definitely do not want us to be tone policing people at every turn.

    I want to make it clear for anyone frequenting here, or here for the first time – we are an anti-censorship website and thus we don’t like to censor our own comments or fans. I know we don’t have a published “commenting guideline” yet…

    ….because we’ve never really felt the need to. We don’t like to police our comments. We draw the line at hatespeech and direct threats, otherwise the majority of anything else we see is just proper discourse, you know – discussing, arguing, debating, etc.

    We’ll have a proper commenting guideline in the near future and rest assured – we’ll only forbid you from the assumed stuff, i.e. no talk of illegal stuff (piracy, child porn, etc) and no hatespeech/direct threats.

    Anything else: HAVE AT IT. We’re a haven for the gaming outlaws of the world, free of the ridiculous stipulations they put upon their communities. We welcome you with open arms and encourage you to let your opinions out. I take pride in knowing we’re one of the most hardcore of hardcore communities on the internet, please never let me down in that respect.

  201. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 2:18 am

    “I don’t get “immersed” in video games. I just see them as a form of entertainment, and when the game is over, it’s over.”

    I don’t know what to say. I’m sorry that you can’t enjoy video games to their fullest.

  202. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 2:19 am

    No, I tread a dangerous path of actually caring about what I’m playing. So dangerous. You tread a dangerous path by drawing the wrong assumptions from what I say.

    Games don’t cause people to become violent or sexist, but to say they have no effect on anyone is just plain wrong. They’ve shaped my life, and probably yours too. They’re not “just pixels.”

  203. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 2:26 am

    Another thing I like here is that we have staffers dropping by every now and then in the comments. Thanks for all the hard work!

  204. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 2:28 am

    In that case, you need to apply those standards to violence in games, too. You can’t have it one way and not the other.

  205. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 27, 2015 at 2:43 am

    Boycotting this if censorship occurs (and only if, I’m still optimistic) will honestly be the easiest and hardest boycott I can ever possibly do. Easy because I don’t have a Wii U anyway. Hard because goddamit do I want to play this.

  206. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 2:46 am

    Did you read what I said? Go back and do it.

  207. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 2:48 am

    Yes, you can. That’s how the vast majority of normal people experience video games, movies, books, etc.

  208. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 2:49 am

    Which is why no one’s going to jail. But it can still be creepy. It could still sour an experience. Not saying that’s what happened in this case, but it has in other games, and anime.

  209. Narmy
    Narmy
    April 27, 2015 at 2:54 am

    Murdering people is pretty sick. Most people would agree with that as well.

  210. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 3:01 am

    No one is going to jail because its irrelevant. Is it creepy? Creepy is subjective, though, and it seems like there is a significantly enough market that disagrees with you.

    Maybe its creepy because some people link it to real world actions, while others separate fiction more clearly from real actions perpetrated in our world.

  211. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 3:04 am

    Social Justice of that variety is about tailoring the outside world to comform to your worldviews, as well as not holding yourself to your own impossible standards.

  212. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 3:08 am

    “but to say they have no effect on anyone is just plain wrong.”

    Given the context of your discourse, it seemed like you are saying we should curb this because it can negatively affect people. I apologize if I misunderstood you.

  213. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 3:31 am

    No, that was your assumption. I don’t think there should be any “curbing” of anything. I also don’t think there should be denial that there video games can cause all sorts of emotions and lasting impacts. That’s a good thing. Art evoking actual emotion in the viewer is a good thing. Thinking about it after you’re done is a good thing.

    The “it’s just pixels” defense doesn’t fly. Better would be “this outfit has no harmful impact whatsoever on players, and as such should be left untouched.”

  214. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 3:32 am

    Just because there’s a “market” doesn’t mean it isn’t creepy as hell to me, and the vast majority of others. You can have your creepy market, the problem is if it leaks over into others.

    Should this be censored? No. Should it even have been in the game to begin with? If they had asked me, I’d have told them no.

  215. Cqef
    Cqef
    April 27, 2015 at 3:56 am

    Well Indeed, good sir.
    Except changing the age would still change the gap, whether it be originally intended or not. You’re not making a point here.

  216. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 4:03 am

    My point is since they never act there age, no gap would be created, since there’s almost always already a gap. It really doesn’t matter that much.

  217. Wrathful
    Wrathful
    April 27, 2015 at 4:11 am

    It’s always the Western territory isn’t it? Even the grown men seem to have trouble distinguishing between the fiction and reality.

  218. undub lover
    undub lover
    April 27, 2015 at 4:16 am

    If it gets censored then I simply won’t buy it because I don’t support censorship no matter how big or small it is because censorship is wrong. Period.

  219. Cqef
    Cqef
    April 27, 2015 at 5:11 am

    Yeah damn right, fantasy shouldn’t exist and makers should be forbidden to have such thoughts and to create such content!

  220. Janol
    Janol
    April 27, 2015 at 7:04 am

    “Japan’s age of consent is 13”
    Not exactly true. Their federal law sets it at 13, but every prefecture has set their own laws that put it higher than that.

  221. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    April 27, 2015 at 7:58 am

    Eh another day, another reason for certain people to get offened over something on video games. At this point you would think those people would take it upon themselves to stay away from titles “T” rated or above or at least have some personal responsibility when purchasing titles that fit their personal taste. Even if Nintendo did alter the character’s age or they dont disclose it in the NA release, those same people would still be outrage regardless. There’s still people that had a fit over FF15’s Cindy and how she’s designed and she was made to be an adult. Its just them projecting their sex negative views which is still trending like a plague to ridiculous heights. I say to those people who are offended by such image either play the games that fit YOUR own preference or if its that difficult to then I say this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qRjS98rrc

  222. Holyfox25
    Holyfox25
    April 27, 2015 at 8:03 am

    You know, I’m starting to think that Japan does this on purpose and likes seeing the outrage and gets its jollies seeing America and the western world getting its jimmies rustled.

    On a more serious note: censorship or not, I’m probably getting this. I’m itching to play a new JRPG. A costume change is not going to bother me if that is the only edit.

  223. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    April 27, 2015 at 8:15 am

    Its not all surprising if that were the case. After the ridiculous outcry over Dragon’s Crown thanks to Jason “Big Breasts are part of a lolicon fantasy” Schreier, its practically a new marketing strategy where they can use the SJWs and the “progressives” to gives those companies free marketing of their upcoming games in the states. Its almost ironically genius if you think about the number of Japanese and even western titles that have gotten a big buzz thanks to kneejerking naysayers lol!

  224. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 27, 2015 at 9:36 am

    So does Atelier Meruru+ with its R18 rating for featuring an octopus molesting a girl and a knight. You ever played the Atelier games? It’s the most innocent series in the World, Australians begged to differ with its “High impact sexual violence” label. The same country that HM2 had issues with censorship~.

    Point? Without some minor tweaks [when it comes to these games] the games can suffer a lot with ratings. HM2 and GTAV are a different topic. That’s outright censorship, but then again, I don’t recall those games being released with stripped content. They just were banned in a prude-ish country. Can you say it’s the same? Because to me, that seems like reaching for straws~.

  225. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 27, 2015 at 11:58 am

    Fair enough.This site is the only gaming site that practices free speech and i respect that so i’m sorry if i came off as a dick.

  226. MaidKillua
    MaidKillua
    April 27, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    While I personally think this is just really awful, unoriginal and downright lazy character design (and potentially also just there in the hopes of selling more copies to the otaku crowd), i’d never advocate for it being censored. I suppose I just wish the dev team would have maybe put some effort into their designs instead of literally just going “loli. As little clothing as possible. Perfect”

  227. EnormousTortoise
    EnormousTortoise
    April 27, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    If they’re going to do something about it – which they likely will – They’re going to just age her up to 15/16 or something in the localization, or make the strap cover more of her chest. This is not some titanic change that wildly alters the game on a fundamental level.

    You can talk about slippery slopes or whatever all you want, but the reality is that America and Japan have different cultural values and standards, and the American standard is that a shirtless 13 year-old girl is cause for alarm. No company, much less fucking Nintendo, is going to want any sort of controversy or outrage knocking on their door. This is basic business sense.

  228. DariusQ
    DariusQ
    April 27, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    That’s the whole argument though, isn’t it? SJWs have no problem with disturbing/provocative content until it offends their own sensibilities. That’s a double standard if ever there was one.

  229. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 27, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    I’d make sure to include a rule against commercial spam, but otherwise sounds fine.

  230. Tanner Thomure
    Tanner Thomure
    April 27, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    While I really dislike lolis. I don’t think they should censor it. I’ll just avoid the character if it really does bother me.

  231. DariusQ
    DariusQ
    April 27, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    You don’t need to understand loli culture. Just accept that there are fans that do enjoy it and SJWs are trying to censor it for their own selfish entitlement.

  232. DariusQ
    DariusQ
    April 27, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    Exactly. There is plenty of popular content out there which many people regard as crap (eg. Twilight, Fifty Shades, ect.) and yet they still have hordes of fans. It is possible for one group of people to like something which others do not without impacting anything.

  233. Ibi Salmon
    Ibi Salmon
    April 27, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    …Meh.

  234. DariusQ
    DariusQ
    April 27, 2015 at 3:00 pm

    Personally I like the suggestion to just increase the age of the offending character’s profile. Its such a subtle change and still addresses the complaints.

  235. Leos
    Leos
    April 27, 2015 at 3:11 pm

    Well, it goes back to my point that first its a costume. Then it’s a sections. Then it’s whole games.

  236. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 27, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    Your point doesn’t really apply. At all. Atelier Totori+ got a mature rating right out of the gate. It wasn’t a gradual thing. And quite honestly, I’m still waiting for somebody to provide a case that can work as precedent where you can tell me “See, they censored this game. Then this happened. Then we made it to this point”. Also, despite the unjustified R18 rating, nothing about Totori+ was censored or altered~.

  237. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    April 27, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    I just wish Nintendo would do away with region locking. If I could just import all my games I would, not just because of censorship but for thing not getting localized. In before someone tries to tell me importing kills the chances for a western release. I’ve just about given up on Square Enix localizing DQ VII.

  238. Pyrotek85
    Pyrotek85
    April 27, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    Gah don’t even remind me about that one. I keep telling myself it’s because the script was big and we know they were rewriting it for the Japanese release, but it’s been a long time now.

  239. Ferrick
    Ferrick
    April 27, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    last i checked that isn’t exactly shirtless, and there has been things that are way more revealing than that in America, and considering that you guys have shows like “16 and pregnant” all that preface about values and standards can march out of the door

  240. Brotaku
    Brotaku
    April 27, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    Yep. Even if nobody else in the world likes your content at all, and nobody else would ever buy it, if it’s something that you want to make, and it’s legal, you should be allowed to make it and try to offer it to others if you wish.

  241. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    I accept it exists. I want it far from me and my games though.

  242. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    There’s a key difference between people who have a problem with the content and people who want the content censored.

  243. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    Anime games are part of a niche market with plenty of overlap with the otaku crowd, of which a good part of it enjoys or doesnt care about this kind of thing. Just look at current anime. Sexualized lolis abound.

    Is it creepy for the overall population? Sure. Is it marketed at them?

  244. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    There’s fantasy and there’s stupidity. Fantasy doesn’t make kids adept fighters.

  245. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    Thinking about it means analyzing. It doesn’t mean the game has ownership over your actions at all. There is quite a bit of a difference here.

  246. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    But I *am* one of those people in the otaku crowd. Otaku does not mean attraction to underage girls. I’m not sure when it did.

  247. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    Plenty of overlap doesnt mean all otakus like it. But the way they pander to those people shows how big of a market they are.

  248. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    The games are as much yours as they are ours.

    However, I am all for compromises where no one loses.

    Having this as an optional outfit, for example, would suffice to me. Would that be agreeable?

  249. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 27, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    Of course.

  250. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 27, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    To be fair though, the “it’s just pixels” and “it’s just a drawing” defense are typically in response to people acting like the character is somehow a real person, specifically towards the people who cry sexism and oppression at the drop of a hat usually because they end up adding that it’s demeaning to the character as if the character actually has the capacity to care.

  251. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 27, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    I most definitely did not say that.

  252. Albire
    Albire
    April 27, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    Honestly at this point I don’t even see ages anymore.
    Japanese girls in semi-modern based games get scantily clad outfits. That’s just what they do.

    Now if it was like, hyper-sexualized content with said loli/young girl in the game, that would be completely different.
    But since it isn’t like that, unless she ACTUALLY looked like she was a little kid I don’t think it’s really a problem. Even then if the content itself isn’t explicit it really shouldn’t be an issue.
    These are FICTIONAL characters.
    Pixels on a screen.
    Drawings, if you want to be really simplistic about it.

  253. GimmieDat
    GimmieDat
    April 28, 2015 at 10:46 am

    I’ve never heard of that! Do you have examples? Kirby is like the most innocent game around!

  254. GimmieDat
    GimmieDat
    April 28, 2015 at 10:49 am

    This is my favourite artist and a great way to use that painting. Respect to you.

  255. GimmieDat
    GimmieDat
    April 28, 2015 at 11:23 am

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    Considering that a lot of game don’t get localised in the first place (either because they didn’t see it fit for the western audience or because of stuff like this), this seems to be the way the industry is headed. I can think of a few series where games were never localised, like the (Shin) Megami Tensei series, the Fire Emblem series and the infamous Earthbound series. Thankfully, when they’re old games that are easy to translate, there are translators who do patches for ROMs of the games, but those are often unreliable as they never end up being published, and personally, I find it a bit disappointing when the only version of a game in a series I love ends up being only playable on my PC.

    But my problem is, censorship doesn’t turn me completely off a game. While I don’t approve of it, I won’t keep myself from playing a game if a tiny thing such as a costume is changed or removed. After all, I’m not gonna get a japanese copy of Mother 2 to see Ninten (sorry, Ness) naked in that one dream sequence. Though I do find it a bit disappointing and annoying when stuff like that happens, I find it bearable.

    But now comes the era of being able to incorporate beautiful artwork of anime ladies perfectly into a game. That’s when things start being annoying. I remember this one game, Criminal Girls for the PS Vita, that was censored in the most stupid of ways. (Here is an article about it: http://kotaku.com/with-censorship-this-inane-criminal-girls-should-have-1684454619 ) Now that is something that really pisses me off. Since the Vita is pretty much abandoned by Western developers, imports and localisations from Japan are the only way the console is lively, so when games are censored, it hurts me as a Vita owner, and the rest of the Vita market.

    What I’m trying to say is, while I do not agree with censorship as many others in this comment section have, I will not let it stop me from enjoying a great game. I’ll just need to find it used so that I don’t support it personally.

  256. Olympion
    Olympion
    April 28, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    The idea of obsessing about Age of Consent when dealing with FICTIONAL CHARACTERS is beyond retarded – you can have a 700-year old Loli and a 5-year in a man’s body in the same fictional world, trying to apply real-world laws to that makes no sense.

  257. thatguyEZ
    thatguyEZ
    April 28, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    My god, it’s amazing how upset people get about optional costumes in a game. That they don’t even have to use in the first place. First world problems to the extreme.

  258. Ferrick
    Ferrick
    April 28, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    and considering that the west have things that are far worse (IE: Honey boo boo and 16 and pregnant), this ‘outrage’ is just silly

  259. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    April 28, 2015 at 7:08 pm

    Guess you better lock me up in the mental ward because that’s the exact reason I’ll pass on this game and why I passed on Bravely Default. If games like Senran Kagura, Dead or Alive (Prior to 5), Arcana Heart, and the Neptunia series can get away with sexualizing underage girls or anime like Vividred Operation and Strike Witches can not only be licensed but dubbed here while sexualizing underage girls then there’s no excuse for this game. It’s also insulting to people’s intelligence that adults aren’t mature enough to understand fantasy and reality.

  260. greaterdivinity
    greaterdivinity
    April 28, 2015 at 7:23 pm

    Two things.

    1. What’s the censorship? I don’t see anything censored, simply some apparently complaints. And on that note…

    2. You provide zero examples of said outrage, and the Operation Rainfall article you link back to provides zero as well. It’s irresponsible to simply say, “PEOPLE ARE SAYING X!!!” and provide no evidence of people actually saying X.

    If there really is outrage and not “the internet freaks out at the black stormtrooper outrage!” (i.e. a dozen random twitter/youtube comments that are statistically insignificant), that’s silly. But until some evidence is provided of said outrage, I can’t take it seriously.

  261. ÑomeÑome
    ÑomeÑome
    April 28, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Ephebophilia is the most natural fucking thing in the world, but somehow people have managed that somehow the age of the person you are looking at matters. When in reality, what matters is the sexual characteristics that she/he displays. Saying that she/he is a 13 year old or a 23 year old doesnt affect that people are attracted to the manifestation of youth.

  262. Ferrick
    Ferrick
    April 28, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    at this point the censorship is just a “It might happen” scenario, and considering nintendo’s rap sheet, it MIGHT happen, and that’s what was being discussed

  263. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 28, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    NeoGAF, because of course.

  264. An Honest Opinion
    An Honest Opinion
    April 28, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    Since the character is 13, I can at least understand where the complaints are coming from. Still, it’s up to the developers if they want it in there or not. I’m just sick of this “I’m offended, take it out of the game/of the cover/etc!” bullshit. It’s being developed in Japan, right? I hope they stand their ground like they usually do, although Japanese devs caved over Cindy in FF XV recently.

    Once your eyes are open to this shit, you can’t close them. Some days are harder than others.

  265. Michael Anon
    Michael Anon
    April 28, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    At least one Dead or Alive game has been banned in Sweden because it was classified as child pornography. Yes, unfortunately we are one of those silly countries with lawmakers that equate drawings with real child porn. The police were furious, because they don’t want to waste resources on people who fap to hentai, but what can you do when the government is explicitly feminist, and the dominant school of feminism in Sweden is post-Marxist, post-modern, sex-negative radical feminism?

  266. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    April 28, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    So… This game will be censored?

  267. Ben (Broken)
    Ben (Broken)
    April 29, 2015 at 12:11 am

    Y’know it’s funny but I remember 6th grade when Natasha (Cute girl everyone had the hots for) wore bicycle shorts and those tight shirts with the hand prints over the breasts. The 80’s-90’s were just a really wacky time I suppose. Regardless,teachers didn’t even seem to care.

    My point is “Nataha of the past” fits the lolicon “Oh gawd she’s too young” stereotype yet she was a “real person” who wore clothes many other girls her age were wearing at that time.

    As such,excuse me if I don’t get “freaked out” by this character design! I swear the people who get the most upset about this shit haven’t lived in the real world!

  268. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 29, 2015 at 1:18 am

    Wait, real people who aren’t cyclists or cosplayers wear bike shorts?

  269. Dark_Tzitzimine
    Dark_Tzitzimine
    April 29, 2015 at 1:29 am

    I don’t see why is a big deal. People can gun down people by the dozens on FPS or do massacres in sandbox games and no one bats an eye because everyone’s perfectly aware of everythin being fictional. Why the sexy content should be hold under different logic?

  270. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 29, 2015 at 2:58 am

    It seems our friends at 2ch found one of the original articles.

    http://maguro.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/poverty/1430103465/

    Amusingly the comments are largely to the effect of “with graphics that shit why do they even care” and “lol”

  271. Ellen J Miller
    Ellen J Miller
    April 29, 2015 at 3:46 am

    I have no interest in dressing Lyn in those sorts of outfits so… I won’t equip them to her.

    Huh. That doesn’t seem so hard.

  272. Alistair
    Alistair
    April 29, 2015 at 4:10 am

    Wow these SJWs never end to amaze me, if it not sexual near naked in suggetion poses is a issue, extreme violence, TV, films, books etc etc.

    Here one just standing with that outfit & people throw a hissy fit.

    Remember that full dress nun with her legs wide apart they were against that too.

    So now we afraid if a character have sex with their clothes on it be deem unfit & questionable but coming from special snowflakes I wouldn’t put them pass them.

  273. Cao Pi
    Cao Pi
    April 29, 2015 at 7:35 am

    There is a vast sea of difference between 2D loli and 3D underage kids though.

    I would 2D lolis all day because no one gets hurt. 3D girls do get hurt, you should sexualize them and DEFINITELY not molest them.

  274. Cao Pi
    Cao Pi
    April 29, 2015 at 7:38 am

    If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Wow, that was hard.

  275. NeoSkyte
    NeoSkyte
    April 29, 2015 at 7:39 am

    I find that people are too sensitive over stuff like this. It’s a video game it’s not real life. Anyway I don’t mind if they add it in or not.

  276. Cao Pi
    Cao Pi
    April 29, 2015 at 7:44 am

    First it’s a costume. Next it’s a character. next it’s entire swathes of the game.

    Have you ever heard of the slippery slope?

  277. Cao Pi
    Cao Pi
    April 29, 2015 at 7:46 am

    You are supporting the companies sure, but if they censor a game and you buy it, what does it say when you buy that game? That you don’t mind the censorship.

  278. Cao Pi
    Cao Pi
    April 29, 2015 at 7:53 am

    It’s JUST one outfit. It’s JUST one character. It’s JUST a part of the game. It’s JUST all the gore.

    Do you seriously not see the problem with your rhetoric or are you wilfully oblivious?

  279. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 29, 2015 at 10:05 am

    There are limits for everything, when it becomes an actual part of the game or worse, until then it’s not a problem. I see no problem with my rhetoric though I stand by what I said about how you all just argue with nothing but speculation behind the crusade. It’s an outfit. Nothing more, nothing less. And there’re no precedents that a small act of censorship in a videogame [one pushed by the Western market, mind you] escalated into major censorship of game content~.

    I’m not oblivious, I’m just not as paranoid as you are~.

  280. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 29, 2015 at 10:31 am

    I’ve heard of the big bad wolf too, I just never seen it. And until I see this slippery slope of yours happening, I won’t really fret over something minor. Censorship is a huge deal, but when the censorship is something minimal that doesn’t even represent a 1% of the game’s scope? I just choose better what to use my energy on and I choose better reasons to not support video game companies~.

  281. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 29, 2015 at 10:33 am

    Well, American gamers “supported” censorship when they covered Tharja’s ass in FE: Awakening and that didn’t turn out anywhere near as bad as you keep saying things will be or could be~.

  282. Nytezero
    Nytezero
    April 29, 2015 at 11:03 am

    NoA, you pull a Bravely Default and I’m out, don’t even think about it. Price drop + import immediately if you try.

  283. Donwel
    Donwel
    April 29, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    They are fictional characters, but an increasing number of people it seems are having trouble separating fantasy from reality.
    Scary times we live in my friend.

  284. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 29, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    Ah, but if it starts infecting the games I do want to buy, eventually I won’t buy anything. Devs need to keep it in their pants.

  285. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 29, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    It’s not about molesting real kids, but being attracted to them. That’s sick too.

  286. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 29, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    Yeah, keep your “natural” attraction away from me, thanks.

  287. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 29, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    “Next it will be whole fucking sections of games taken out because it doesn’t agree with some convoluted moral code”

    Like what happened in Yakuza.

  288. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 29, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Here is one – Yakuza.

  289. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 29, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Or we can buy it used so we enjoy the game legally but still vote with our wallets.

  290. Brotaku
    Brotaku
    April 29, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    Sure, you have every right to do that. But if you’re against games like this on principle, why would you want to buy it at all, even if used? Doesn’t that show a desire to own games like it, hence making you somewhat of a hypocrite for “voting” that they shouldn’t be made at all, when you’re willing to play them anyways?

    It would be like not voting in an election, but still criticizing a particular candidate for a view that they hold, when you yourself still do hold that same view.

  291. Will_Z_Macht
    Will_Z_Macht
    April 29, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    Wait, isn’t that the mechanic?

    Wasn’t she heavily featured in that one really long trailer?

    Where’s the surprise? If you’ve been paying attention, you’d have known she’s in the game…

    Also, it’s not like 13 year old girls are in burqas until they’re legal. Go to any beach and you’ll see girls younger than 13 in bikinis.

    “B-but she’s not at the beach!”

    Xenoblade 1 had swimsuit costumes for both male and female characters, too. This. is. not. unusual. for. the. game. Or reality. And if bikini = sexualized to you? Get out of the house more. Seriously.

    Finally, assuming the offended brigade is right: who would get off to these creepy-looking freaks anyway? People who loiter at the crossroads between Uncanny Valley Drive and Anime Cliché Boulevard?

  292. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    April 29, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    Care to elaborate~?

  293. ndyBery
    ndyBery
    April 30, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    Hopefully when you say no talk of illegal things – you mean no linkage or encouragement of it?

    Because one of the main reasons why the topic of this article in particular is so contentious is that some people do think this is bordering on CP, and use that as a reason for why it shouldn’t be allowed. Unfortunately there’s probably countries out there where Xenoblade will *have* to be censored because of this, due to their laws making it illegal.

  294. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    I like nothing more than underage anime girls.

  295. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    Except maybe Nintendo of America, who are going to censor the hell out of it.

  296. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    The word “scary” triggers me. It makes me think of things I don’t want to think about. Censor plz

  297. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    What a shame.

  298. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    If games have nothing that motivates me to take it out of my pants I’m less likely to buy them. Devs need to keep it outside of their pants at all times.

  299. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    As far as I’m concerned a game ceases to exist the moment it’s censored.

  300. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    Why would you buy a censored game at all?

  301. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    And this is why I don’t support Nintendo.

  302. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    April 30, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    Yeah it does. I also have principles. Also I like lolis.

  303. Cao Pi
    Cao Pi
    May 1, 2015 at 9:41 am

    Perhaps but you can’t arrest someone for being attracted to kids but knowing better and not doing anything to them. This isn’t an orwellian state.

  304. Cao Pi
    Cao Pi
    May 1, 2015 at 9:42 am

    >I’ve never seen the slippery slope happen

    Yeah, I’m sure being able to pre-order season passes isn’t a very obvious example of the slippery slope in action.

  305. Cao Pi
    Cao Pi
    May 1, 2015 at 9:43 am

    That outfit IS an actual part of the game.

  306. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    May 1, 2015 at 10:53 am

    Trying to reach for straws now, aren’t we? The topic is censorship in gaming, don’t try to divert the argument anywhere else. The call for a precedent is on that topic, not anything else~.

  307. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    May 1, 2015 at 10:54 am

    It’s a costume with zero impact on gameplay / story / mechanics. You may as well complain that a tree was removed to improve performance seeing as how meaningless cosmetic things hold such great weight to you~.

  308. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    May 1, 2015 at 11:43 am

    The western release of the game Yakuza and the censored content on the west. Google Yakuza 3 and 4 censored content.

  309. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    May 1, 2015 at 11:45 am

    I’m voting against the business practise of censorship by not purchasing it, while still enjoying the game. By doing that, I avoid encouraging this kind of anti-consumer practise and avoid contributing to escalating it in future titles.

    I see no contradiction here.

  310. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    May 1, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    From what I’ve read -from people- the games were not censored, they were stripped of content so Sega could rush a deadline. It’s not even remotely the same case or scenario and it certainly doesn’t constitute a precedent for the whole “slippery slope” straw man argument~.

    If anything, complain that Sega fails hard at bringing things to the West; but it wasn’t a case of censorship when they seem to have stripped meaningless things such as a mahjong game and quiz games~.

  311. Brotaku
    Brotaku
    May 1, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    I’m voting against the business practise of censorship by not purchasing it, while still enjoying the game. By doing that, I avoid encouraging this kind of anti-consumer practise and avoid contributing to escalating it in future titles.

    Oh, I completely understood that. That was not what I was arguing about.

    My question is, why would you vote against the business practice of making games like this, and still go and pick up a copy, even if used? You want to play the game, but you don’t want to support anybody making games like it in the future? My question was, isn’t that hypocritical because you are against games like that being made, but you still want to play them? Whether or not you purchased it used doesn’t factor into that. And yes, it is a contradiction: “I don’t want to support games like this being made. But I want to play them.”

    Edit: you upvoted yourself? lol

    I do this because it rustles jimmies.

  312. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    May 2, 2015 at 2:47 am

    You are confusing things.

    I’m voting against the business practise of censorship, not the game itself.

    “isn’t that hypocritical because you are against games like that being made”

    I’m not. I’m perfectly fine with the game, my beef is with the censorship on the localization.

    “but you still want to play them?”

    Of course. The game itself is fine. The censorship, however, is not.

    “I don’t want to support games like this being made. But I want to play them.”

    What I don’t want to support is the business decision of introducing censorship in the localization process, and not “games like this being made” as you are saying.

  313. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    May 2, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    I never said they should be arrested. If you don’t hurt real people you have a right to exist. But I can certainly be disgusted.

  314. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    May 2, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    You are purposefully labeling a cheap practice to meet a deadline as censorship. You are just trying too hard~.

  315. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    May 2, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    And you are far too gullible if you think that is what happened.

  316. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    May 2, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    Along with the hostess houses they removed some of the most meaningless and harmless stuff. Yes, I’m pretty sure that’s what happened given Sega’s sketchy record of half assing things~.

    By no means it’s right, but it’s a far cry from being censorship. It’s something a lot worse, but certainly not censorship~.

  317. Brotaku
    Brotaku
    May 2, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    Oh, I understand now. I thought you were saying that you didn’t like this game, censorship aside, and that is why you didn’t want to support it. Sorry, my bad.

    The unfortunate part is that by not buying the game directly, yes, you are voting against the censorship of it, but it also means it’s showing companies that we are also (presumably) not supporting the game as a whole. The conundrum is, if the censored version doesn’t sell well, it means they might not ever bring over games of this type that are not censored, because they might get the idea that these kinds of games aren’t popular here. It seems like we can’t win. There’s no option to vote for “Bring these games over here, but don’t censor them.”

  318. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    May 2, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    By not purchasing it, I’m saying with my wallet “I’m not interested in financially supporting this game in the way it has been presented”. If they wish to interpret it as me not wanting to buy the game at all, then so be it. Other companies will see my money instead.

    I did acquire a habit post-GG of sending an e-mail stating the reasons why I bought a game used or passed on it, though, so if they take feedback to heart, they will know the exact reason why they are not seeing my money. The ball is in their court.

  319. Zero Eternity
    Zero Eternity
    May 3, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    promoting prostitution and murder in a game is sick too (GTA)

  320. Zero Eternity
    Zero Eternity
    May 3, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    We could solve this whole problem with changeable outfits which is a feature everyone likes anyway.

  321. Thomas Zell
    Thomas Zell
    May 5, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    Who the fuck cares? What reason does anyone have for caring? Why do people even waste oxygen by letting their heart rate increase due to the extra production of endorphins that they get from writing shit like this?

  322. Thomas Zell
    Thomas Zell
    May 5, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    Advocating for censorship in video games is a very trendy thing these days, all the cool kids are doing it. If you are whining about your “freeze peach” then you are just an old fashioned loser who’s neither “hip” nor “with it”. Get with the times shitlord.

  323. Thomas Zell
    Thomas Zell
    May 5, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    Preach it brother.

  324. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    May 6, 2015 at 12:10 am

    And the reason I don’t support Nintendo.

  325. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    May 6, 2015 at 12:11 am

    Until the end is brought about by feminists and manginas–I shall.

  326. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    May 6, 2015 at 12:13 am

    Do you see the appeal of petite girls? I say that assuming you’ve seen one before.

  327. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    May 6, 2015 at 12:13 am

    She doesn’t even look like a loli. There are plenty of legal girls with the exact same body type.

  328. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    May 6, 2015 at 12:15 am

    If ANYTHING gets censored it’s a no buy for me. The only thing I’ll accept is arbitrary age changes as a means of giving censors the middle finger–even if the age changes make no sense.

  329. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    May 6, 2015 at 11:03 am

    Depends on the girl.

  330. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    May 7, 2015 at 2:15 am

    Okay. Have you ever found a petite girl with small breasts attractive?

  331. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    May 7, 2015 at 11:24 am

    I can’t remember. I’m sure someone somewhere at some point.

  332. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    May 8, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    There you go. There are plenty of petite girls of legal age because age isn’t what people find attractive, but physical traits. Of course it’s more common for Asians to be petite because they have faster metabolisms, and don’t eat at Mcdonalds every day like the fat tall girls you tend to prefer.

  333. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    May 9, 2015 at 2:38 am

    …But I don’t really find it attractive.

    “Petite” can mean all sorts of things though. You can be thin and not flat chested. It’s not a synonym for the body types of underage girls.

  334. SnugRailgun
    SnugRailgun
    May 10, 2015 at 10:19 am

    But there’s a good chance you’ve found a petite girl attractive before. Or are you saying there’s something wrong with people who like petite girls of legal age? Because there are legal aged petite girls who are also flat chested, who also have body types that look very much like those of underage girls–because the body types of underage girls vary quite a bit. What looks underage here can look of age in the body of a short Japanese girl, or even a short white girl. It’s just not as common, and getting less so thanks to the fatocalpyse.

  335. Zizal
    Zizal
    May 10, 2015 at 11:30 am

    As a non western I look at the history and find that people through history and some people I know married at young age and they succeed at making family. Age Of Consent is bullshit made by some retards in power and forced the world to follow them. You don’t see the news about successful families that married at young age but you see them about forced marriage and such to push their agenda. They censored history and brainwashed their children that is wrong. Just like they are trying to push homosexuality and transgenderism in kids schools.

  336. TalesOfBS
    TalesOfBS
    October 31, 2015 at 8:07 am

    Bad news.

  337. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    November 1, 2015 at 2:35 am

    Your principles are “I won’t buy a game because I can no longer fap to a 13 year old”

  338. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    November 1, 2015 at 2:36 am

    “An industry that does not respect itself, its creators, or its audience does not deserve to exist.”

    You mean like adding costumes that only exist because desperate people will only buy it if it has loli-bait?

  339. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    November 1, 2015 at 2:38 am

    So many angry pedos in this comment thread. It’s truly depressing people would boycott a game all because they wanted to fap to a 13 year old.

  340. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    November 1, 2015 at 2:39 am

    Because being a pedo is abhorrent.

  341. Sandman83
    Sandman83
    November 5, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    Fuck people are stupid, this is child pornography:

    * https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography

    In other words it’s a picture that leads to a child being abused. The picture in itself can be seen as child abuse as the picture might be used as extortion or in other ways hunt the child in the future. Game characters are not real children but are for some weird reason are still being put together whit this ting.

    And this is why:

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Pornography_Prevention_Act_of_1996

    An idiotic law in America that includes any cartoon picture that might look like a young girl of any kind as child pornography. In other words we’re spending a shit load of money on censoring games instead of spending a shit load of money on fighting actual child abuse of actual children. In other words something like this could be considered child pornography:

    * http://previews.123rf.com/images/jtxie/jtxie1010/jtxie101000045/7992638-boy-and-girl-on-tropical-holidays-illustration–Stock-Vector-swimming-cartoon-beach.jpg

    Therefore every game, every manga, every cartoon or whatever everywhere has to be censored (guess Europe just tagging along on this law whiteout knowing why). And yeah, some games just make girls whit really big boobs to come around this problem I guess (DoA, Tomb raider etc.). So there you have it. This is why every game has to suffer from this kind of bullshit.

    Pretty stupid if you ask me.

  342. Guin
    Guin
    February 11, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    Necroing this just to say that this is what gays had to put up with until just this century.

  343. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    February 12, 2016 at 5:38 am

    >he just went there
    Hello, apologist. Care to explain why you feel bad for some forty year old not being allowed to romance little Suzy next door?

  344. Guin
    Guin
    February 12, 2016 at 11:25 am

    Perhaps because everyone has the right to love whatever, even if it’s a dog , pole etc. What makes you have the right to judge and belittle those you disagree with beyond following current social norms?

  345. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    February 14, 2016 at 7:06 am

    Did you just defend beastiality too? Holy hell.

  346. Guin
    Guin
    February 14, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    Not my thing, but who am I to pass indignation? Certainly not you or me.

  347. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    February 15, 2016 at 1:50 am

    You defend people who take advantage of children or dogs. There’s clearly no point in reasoning with you.

  348. Guin
    Guin
    February 15, 2016 at 2:49 am

    Advantage? Are you perhaps a mind reader that can tell whether they didn’t consent or not? Never mind the fact that humanity has been engaging in “deviant” acts like this since forever. Sorry you remain indoctrinated by mainstream ideologies of sexual interest. No point in reasoning a close minded person like you either.

  349. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    February 15, 2016 at 3:25 am

    What ever you say, Zoophile/Pedo-Apologist.

  350. Guin
    Guin
    February 15, 2016 at 10:52 am

    No argument beyond ad hominems. I expected as much.

  351. Ghost_of_Glommo
    Ghost_of_Glommo
    March 1, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    Saw your comment about me on NE, love ya Magcargo. ? Never forget buddy. Stay salty.

    I’d post this to something other than an article on veiled child pornography but then again it seemed appropriate considering your general interests.

  352. MagcargoMan
    MagcargoMan
    March 2, 2016 at 7:10 am

    Even in death, you are stupid.