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Xbro Responds to Accusations of Xbox and #GamerGate

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This is an editorial piece. The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of, and should not be attributed to, Niche Gamer as an organization.

We published an interview with Xbro a few days ago, which seems to have caught the attention of a lot of people, especially some outspoken folks in the gaming industry. One such person was Sela Davis, an employee of Microsoft’s Xbox Live division and the treasurer of the IGDA in Seattle. She wrote a very lengthy response to Xbro, publicly, and we decided to reach out to him for a response.

For the sake of brevity, Xbros’ opinion is being presented as an op-ed, which we’ve printed below for your reading pleasure:


I don’t think this whole thing [Editor’s note: Sela Davis’ post] warrants a special “response” of any kind. However, I’ve read Miss’s Davis statements and they deserve some clarifications. As a note, though, I stand by all my previously made statements, and I will re-iterate them and make a couple of observations as well:

I don’t speak for the company as a whole. I always mentioned this, and I will repeat it because some people just don’t seem to understand.

I do, however, speak in the name of my colleagues when I stated that 95% of them support GG or core aspects of GG. That will not change. Ever. Deal with it.

Now to address her statements: first of all, I wholeheartedly respect her right to an opinion about me and my colleagues. And no, we do not work in the same studio/department, but our projects’ paths have crossed before.

Regarding this line: “What would happen if these people—or worse, somebody I work with—decided to come after me next?”

This is the kind of victimizing I can’t stand. It speaks greatly about her misinformation and/or the ulterior motives she might have. While I respect her professionally, I cannot stress enough how absurd the notion that someone from MS would “come after her next” is.

If she actually believes that, then I wonder how she will react once she finds out that, as I said before, most of my colleagues and head of studio are pro-GG, not to mention a very important higher-up in IEB [Interactive Entertainment Business]. By her logic, she should be terrified and shaking in her boots.

Also, she doesn’t seem to know how many studios are actually in IEB/MS and what the general feeling about Gamergate is within them. A quick look over our yammer will quickly reveal a bunch of MS employees that stand against corruption in the media and oppose censorship and harassment of developers. I’ve even seen the #GamerGate tag every now and then on several posts. Not to mention that I am hardly the only one to have come out (anonymous or not) as pro-GG. You’ve probably heard about the senior dev at MS with over six projects shipped? Or the guy working on Cortana? There are many others out there that are in the “dreaded” blocklist, for example, but don’t have any signs of employment in their personal details pages/sections.

Miss Davis, I believe it’s time to act professionally and stop this pathetic fear-mongering propaganda that, all of a sudden, women have become big targets. Welcome to the internet. Everyone is a target when you have an opinion. And in 99.98% of the cases, that means trolls will say mean things about you, or curse at you, or make you feel bad. This has been going on for over a decade now, and it’s not going to change soon.

If people want to turn internet victimhood into a profitable circus show and career, so be it, but I will not let them attack the people which I go to work in the morning for. And by my side stand my friends, family and colleagues, and I will not be afraid to be their voice.

Lastly, regarding: “I am a woman in games. And, on behalf of myself, and nobody else: I do not, and never will, support Gamergate.”

That, my dear colleague, is an oxymoron. But that’s just my opinion.

PS: A colleague of mine, one of the few that knows my identity (I’ll call her Xgirl), wanted me to send Miss Davis this message:

“Hi! If you believe you are in any danger that relates to your work or your position at Microsoft IEB Xbox, contact your HR department via internal hrweb or by phone as soon as possible; they take our safety and security very seriously and will open an investigation and even collaborate with competent authorities if you have reasons to believe that you are in danger at any time on Microsoft property.”

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107 comments
  1. Ms_Fortune
    Ms_Fortune
    December 5, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    “I do, however, speak in the name of my
    colleagues when I stated that 95% of them support GG or core aspects of
    GG. That will not change. Ever. Deal with it.”

    Suck it antis.

  2. Topgeartony
    Topgeartony
    December 5, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    MIC DROPS

  3. gameragodzilla
    gameragodzilla
    December 5, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    Oooh, suck it anti-GG. They’re getting desperate. They’re realizing they’re in the minority and more and more people are waking up to their bullshit. GamerGate is winning.

  4. The Papist
    The Papist
    December 5, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    Great article, thank you once again Xbro we love you.

    Now we have xgirl, can we get a full team of Developer mutants fighting a social justice plague.

    Seriously get that game actually made and I will buy the hell out of it, we loe you xgirl too. Thank you for being a sane normal person who loves games like we do.

    Also someone needs to tell her that revving all this up will drive women out :(
    Look what it did to Atheism.

    Driving women or anyone out is bad, people need too end this insane climate of fear and let us go back to just playing games again.

  5. Ben Read
    Ben Read
    December 5, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    thank you once again Xbro GG love you

  6. Landale
    Landale
    December 5, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    I do enjoy that last bit there from Xgirl. Nothing quite like a civilly worded “If you have problems, fucking do something instead of sit and whine.”. Logic, it’s beautiful.

  7. Em
    Em
    December 5, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    Huh. Now I wonder if Miss Davis will try contact HR or she’ll just slip it under the rug. People, especially those who want to actively stop gamergate, really need to read Xbro, Christian Allen and the Bro Team Videos. Developers are seeing through the smokescreen so why can’t game analysts like Movie Bob or Extra Credits do the same?

  8. Max
    Max
    December 5, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    Does X-bro read the comments? Cause I want him to know he’s a cool guy.
    Along with all pro GG devs. Gamers will always support you.

  9. Terry Ferguson
    Terry Ferguson
    December 5, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    This culture of fear-mongering is outrageous. I cannot think of a greater force against women in the industry than these pearl-clutching, self-styled social justice “activists” who dangle a boogeyman in front of the industry entrance before potential female developers. Women are welcome in the games industry. I, a male gamer, do not research at length every game that I play to ensure that no women have been involved in its production before I allow myself to enjoy it. That’s ludicrous.

    And glad to hear that Ms. Davis remains in the minority. Pro-GG is pro-ethics/anti-corruption. It’s pro-consumer and — in a very real way — pro-developer as well.

    Stay based, Xbro. Thanks for BTFOing her.

  10. Edward
    Edward
    December 5, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    Looks like it’s a good time to buy Xbox One. ^___^ v

  11. BlueLight
    BlueLight
    December 5, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Your money and all but i wouldn’t buy a Xbox unless your getting it because you want it. i’m taking note from StarDocks page on that. Not saying you shouldn’t get one if you want it.

    That being said i feel it’s my PCMasterRace duty to say “Looks like it’s a good time to buy a GTX 970!” :P

  12. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    December 5, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    Xbro dropping truth yet again. Xgirl uttered the key to this entire situation: If you have legitimate fears, go to the proper authorities. Shut the fuck up and go protect yourself. Spewing bullshit and playing the victim for the public to see does nothing good for your situation, whether you’re in danger or not.

  13. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    December 5, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    Just like I said in an editorial I wrote here back when GamerGate first started, this whole idea where antiGG women are “worrying” about being “attacked” is just them trying to profit off of internet victimhood. Who hasn’t been trolled? Who hasn’t been called slurs? Who hasn’t been ripped a new one on twitter/facebook? If you think that’s new honey, then you need to pick up an “internet for dummies” book and start reading.

    Sela Davis is like all the rest of them. She desperately wants to get attacked so she can claim she was chased from her house and that all the mean, angry men who hold positions above her deserve to be fired and she would get a raise for having a thin skin.

    It don’t work that way.

  14. Benny
    Benny
    December 5, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    If Xbro reads 8chan, I’m sure he reads comments on his articles.

    Go Xbro!

  15. Anbutou
    Anbutou
    December 6, 2014 at 12:04 am

    Since Sela Davis won’t provide disclosure I will – https://archive.today/eXiMU

    IDGA treasurer of the Seattle chapter – surely an unbiased and reliable source, for sure.

    (I sourced this from the escapist megathread)

  16. courier69
    courier69
    December 6, 2014 at 12:07 am

    That’s pretty much all I ask for for these people. Feel threatened? Don’t go on the internet and tell people.

    1. The internet is not 911. It can garner attention, but we cannot contact the appropriate authorities for you, not unless the information is known by someone personally, or by someone doxxing, which is morally grey here (I helped you, and all I had to do was hack you and find all your personal information.).

    2. You will only attract truly malicious people to actually do so. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy in this case. You don’t just yell out in a dark alley “I’m a rich, innocent, pretty woman, and I’m scared!”. Don’t make yourself anymore vulnerable than you need to be.

  17. Erdrick X
    Erdrick X
    December 6, 2014 at 12:16 am

    Nichegamer knocking it out of the park again. XBro also seems like a good guy and I’m happy he’s speaking up.

  18. Beebleboob beeblebrox
    Beebleboob beeblebrox
    December 6, 2014 at 12:19 am

    I imagine this is the most exciting thing to happen in the Microsoft cubicles since, well the founding of Microsoft

  19. FuryOfFirestorm
    FuryOfFirestorm
    December 6, 2014 at 12:19 am

    Gee, a member of the IDGA spinning a false “GamerGaters are after me!” narrative? I did not see this coming. Nope. Not at all.

  20. FuryOfFirestorm
    FuryOfFirestorm
    December 6, 2014 at 12:23 am

    Exactly. If you’re in actual danger from a stalker or harasser, the feds say the best thing to do is to report it, and not to make it public, lest it encourage or anger the criminal. Screaming about it on Twitter does nothing but let the stalkers know where you’re at.

  21. Erthwjim
    Erthwjim
    December 6, 2014 at 12:26 am

    Welcome to the internet, *everyone* is a target when you have an opinion. And in 99.98% of the cases, that means trolls will say mean things about you, or curse at you, or make you feel bad

    Trolls push buttons, they don’t care about your gender, unless they know saying something about it will elicit the desired response. All they want is a reaction, and so many people that grew up on the internet and should know better are willing to give them that reaction.

  22. Elilla Shadowheart
    Elilla Shadowheart
    December 6, 2014 at 12:53 am

    In the case that Xbro reads the comments, I’m supposed to pass along that Rob S., and his new team are with you.

  23. Erodred
    Erodred
    December 6, 2014 at 1:12 am

    B T F O
    T
    F
    O
    I love you guys

  24. Wrds
    Wrds
    December 6, 2014 at 1:30 am

    Xbro, whoever you are, you make this aspiring game designer very happy.

  25. Arty McBert
    Arty McBert
    December 6, 2014 at 2:11 am

    Based Xbro

  26. Condorito Jones
    Condorito Jones
    December 6, 2014 at 2:12 am

    Did the definition of “brave” and “strong” change while I wasn’t looking? Whining about non-problems on FB is very far away from being brave and strong.

    PS: Xgirl, you are awesome.

  27. Condorito Jones
    Condorito Jones
    December 6, 2014 at 2:15 am

    Extra Credits drank the kool aid. Moviebob bathes in it.

  28. David Gray
    David Gray
    December 6, 2014 at 2:24 am

    The trick of SJWs is to be passive aggressive and try to manipulate shared friends into “choosing sides”
    I’ve been “attacked” by being referenced as a toxic element that should be moderated on a mutual friends facebook wall.
    All for not being a pushover and offering an opinion she didn’t share. (I suggested that a feminist rap song castigating all men for being to blame for misogynist rap lyrics was a tad extreme and a little misandrist, even if it was well written and contained a mostly positive message. ie: I’m an mra monster, apparently. First response I got was an insult, second response I got was an insult coupled with a suggestion we should “all be civil”)

  29. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 2:48 am

    One party has credibility here and it’s not the one hiding behind an ironically appropriate nickname. If Xbro was confident that his characterization of his coworkers’ sympathies towards Gamergate was so vast, he would have no reason to continue to be anonymous when Sela clearly has no such fear despite being in an allegedly vanishingly small minority of opinion on the matter. There is no reason to give his narrative a grain of salt under the circumstances.

  30. Camarouge
    Camarouge
    December 6, 2014 at 2:50 am

    XBro is so appropriately named. I’m glad this guy exists.

  31. Camarouge
    Camarouge
    December 6, 2014 at 2:55 am

    Yeah, no. Coming out as Pro-GG is how you get fired. The only reason Allen and Wardell aren’t is because they own their companies. Anti-GG calls and has called for the jobs of every person to publicly support GG, and because of the media smear and subsequent pressure, tat is apparently enough to follow through.

    Nobody fired has been given the fair consideration and due diligence in determining whether they should or shouldn’t be. They are merely being fired for not agreeing with the smear narrative. A very chilling effect if you ask me.

  32. Bryan C
    Bryan C
    December 6, 2014 at 3:01 am

    First off, thank you for this and for your other interviews, Xbro. I’d been a PS4 person for some time, but stuff like this has me ready to get an Xbox One soon. (Well that and there are some intriguing games coming for it).

    As I’ve mentioned before, this is one thing that baffles me. Trolls have been trolls for years before GamerGate and will continue to be long after. When Blizzard rebalances rogues, or paladins, or whatever, there’s an element that will break out the pitchforks. Penny Arcade did a fitting comic describing the phenomenon, the “Internet Fuckwad Theory” (if I’m remembering the title right).

    So for a long time, I the more rational among us knew largely how to handle those people. “Do not feed the trolls” is a well known piece of internet wisdom.

    So of course, with GamerGate being a thing, there’s a portion of those trolls that will use GG to do what they’ve always done. But this time instead of ignoring the trolls, they’re thrust into the spotlight, and their actions used to villify an entire group. It’s baffling to me.

    For Sela Davis to hold a position at Microsoft, one would presume that she is an intelligent individual. But here she is throwing a large banquet for the trolls that most of us know not to feed. Anyone who still thinks that GamerGate is about harassment and hatred of women has got to be awfully gullible at this point, after all the evidence is out there that we love women, we love games, and we love women both in games and making them.

    (Side note, I squealed with delight at the tribute to Roberta Williams tonight, her and Lori Cole have been two of my all time favorite developers.)

    With an exec at the CBC admitting that their media coverage of GamerGate has been unfair and slanted, I do have hopes that people will start being less gullible. I do continue to see people waking up regularly to realize we’re not the monsters certain groups so badly want us to be.

    Meanwhile, here’s another one of my regular reminders to simply be excellent to one another, even those who don’t share your opinions.

  33. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 3:10 am

    If 90% of your company support GG as claimed, then you are not being fired for openly agreeing with them. Full stop. That one could think otherwise *if that were true* is pure nonsense and gains traction only because of radically poor reasoning ability.

  34. David
    David
    December 6, 2014 at 3:15 am

    It’s not a big surprise that she’s antiGG. She appears to be friends with Alex Lifschitz. The guy who says he bribes journalists to be biased when planning trips and hotels for them, wants their subjectivity and them telling him how a game is suppose to make him feel, and broke a copy of GTA5 in front of an audience in front of an audience like a modern day book burning.

    She’s also the IGDA’s treasurer. You know the same IGDA that promoted a block list calling 10k people harassers of women.

    It’s pathetic. This is almost like a religion to these people at this point. The truth doesn’t matter. It’s just what they believe in. They believe GG is a hate group and refuse to acknowledge maybe they’ve been lied to and manipulated.

    What are the chances tens of thousands of men, women, black, white, straight, gay, etc, all different kinds of people came together to harass women and push them out of the gaming industry? It’s a lie told so much that people believe it. Meanwhile, young women are becoming scared of entering the industry due to journalists and some of these women’s fear mongering. Do they care about anyone but themselves?

  35. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:22 am

    This is magnificent. Many thanks to all the people who contributed.

    It’s nice to see that there are still some sensible, mature and intelligent humans out there.

  36. Joel Nova
    Joel Nova
    December 6, 2014 at 3:24 am

    This kind of thing takes time. GamerGate started out as the people vs. the media. Game developers are now the third entity to get involved, but only very recently, and because of all the media bias it’s still not a safe environment for many of them to come out as not-anon, especially if they work at larger corporations. I’ve noticed that Indie Devs don’t give a shit and are usually not-anon. Probably because they don’t have much at stake with game journos anyway. Any press, even bad press, might help them get their games noticed lol.

  37. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:28 am

    Yeah. Anti-GG are suddenly having panic attacks over the sudden baseless suspicion that people around them may “secretly hate women”. In a lot of cases, they’ve known these people for years and years, yet never had a problem with them until now.

    That has to be classifiable as some kind of delusional paranoia. I mean, what the hell. It makes no sense at all.

  38. Camarouge
    Camarouge
    December 6, 2014 at 3:31 am

    Ok.. what? Did you even read the interview?? He just had to clarify that he didn’t mean *the entire company*, he just meant his team. That doesn’t mean someone from corporate couldn’t call him in and dispense punishment.

    Also, this assumes outside pressure is doing nothing(it’s not). I mean, assuming the 90% company support thing was true, what would lead to someone being fired in that event?

  39. Enrico Bianco
    Enrico Bianco
    December 6, 2014 at 3:32 am

    Because “game analysts” are the sort of people whose job it is to play (or design or consult on) so many games that eventually they get sick of seeing the same things over and over again. When something remotely novel hits the scene, these people cream themselves and write glowing 10/10 reviews, even if the actual products are shoddily made and not at all fun to play.

  40. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:36 am

    It shouldn’t even be a minority/majority thing. Insanity shouldn’t be justifiable by numbers.

  41. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:39 am

    Even before trolls, those people seem to believe that every random person on the internet must unconditionally care about them, without ever knowing them personally.

    Well, I guess that’s the kind of mindset you end up with if you live in a hugbox.

  42. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:42 am

    I hope these fearmongers contact HR and get in trouble for wasting everyone’s time with false accusations.

    “Help! I have reason to believe that my fellow male co-workers are terrorists who secretly hate women!”

  43. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 3:45 am

    No, you’re being duped. Someone who hides behind a nickname while actually having the gall to say:

    “Miss Davis, I believe it’s time to act professionally and stop this pathetic fear-mongering propaganda that, all of a sudden, women have become big targets. Welcome to the internet. Everyone is a target when you have an opinion.[…]”

    Is, at best, sadly oblivious. Charitably. By a person calling themselves Xbro, making appeals to popularity that he literally does not, and can not, support against a real person putting her actual name and reputation behind her statements.

    There is no reasoning with this level of myopia and some serious issues with the ability of this audience to evaluate credibility based on anything else of than “fits my worldview”.

  44. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:46 am

    Three Common Modern Tips on Raising Girls:

    1. Constantly tell them that females have it harder than anyone else.
    2. Constantly tell them that everyone secretly hates them.
    3. Constantly tell them that all men are violent monster rapists.
    4. Constantly tell them that the world is an extremely dangerous place if you’re unfortunate enough to be born female.

    It’s no wonder that so many women are mentally messed up now.

  45. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:52 am

    Anonymity and credibility are completely separate aspects. One does not equal or even imply the other. You are assuming a very specific reason for anonymity, when there are always many, many reasons.

    You also failed to notice the huge hypocrisy that Sela “clearly has no such fear” while she claims to be afraid. If she was truly afraid, there is no way she would reveal her identity.

    Stop taking things at face value.

  46. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:56 am

    I suggest you study history to specifically learn how many whistleblowers who contributed vital factual information were originally anonymous.

    Sela used her name to add weight to her empty claims. She clearly has no fear of backlash, which contradicts the whole point of her argument.

    I think you understand this very well, and are grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to defend her. I wouldn’t be surprised if you happen to be one of her close friends.

  47. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 3:56 am

    There is no evidence to support this paranoid fantasy.

  48. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    December 6, 2014 at 3:57 am

    You can stop projecting now.

  49. Camarouge
    Camarouge
    December 6, 2014 at 4:11 am

    Your intellectual dishonesty is disturbing. Either that or you are just ignorant to the facts, so allow me to inform you: Jason Miller, a pro-GG developer, was fired for having pro-GG opinions at the very beginning of Gamergate.

    Jennifer Dawe, another pro-GG supporter, was to be boycotted by an organized anti-GG effort. Luckily for her, their pathetic boycott failed and her game was greenlit on steam.

    Brad Wardell, a known pro-GG developer, was recently harassed on twitter. Christian Allen was immediately harassed by the same people just after Nichegamer’s interview.

    Meanwhile, Zoe Quinn herself is trying her best to pressure and force devs to oppose gamergate, whether they truly wish to or not. She is essentially asking these companies to attack their own audience/consumerbase, which is why exactly zero of them have caved to her tyrannical demands so far.

    In short, the message anti-GG is sending the industry is: “agree with everything we say or be censored”, and if you don’t think that’s true, look at GTA V in Australia. Censored for nothing more than a bunch of unproven and illogical statements claiming it actively causes misogyny. These are the same dishonest tactics Jack Thompson used when he said video the same franchise, Grand Theft Auto, actively caused violence(the data disproved this). The difference is that by manufacturing a false “we hate women” attitude among the target, it seems to have worked.

    It’s nonsense. Your mindset is actively causing and promoting the censorship of video games and it is sickening.

  50. Nin
    Nin
    December 6, 2014 at 5:22 am

    Says the guy with the username, kek.

  51. Knightwing19
    Knightwing19
    December 6, 2014 at 8:12 am

    I think the immaturity & lack of professionalism in Sela Davis’ response to Xbro speaks to the larger problem not just in the gaming indiustry but in society in general.

  52. DoombotBL
    DoombotBL
    December 6, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Wuuuuuuuut! Dat Xgirl burn!
    Awesome

  53. Erik Wedin
    Erik Wedin
    December 6, 2014 at 9:03 am

    Credibility is based on what you SAY, not on what your name is. Sela Davies has no credibility cause she pretends to be under threat when she clearly isnt because if she was well…. Xgirl has told her what to do. if she doesnt do that now she has ZERO credibility. Also the oppressors never need to worry about their name cause they always own the tools of oppression. By your logic they should have asked the french resistance to tell the germans their names cause the germans names were known and thus they were the good guys.

    You people no longer know what you are talking about. This shit you are doing is a religion.

  54. endertargaryen
    endertargaryen
    December 6, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Based XBro and Xgirl – I look forward to the day when we can refer to these people by name and anti-GG is a thing of the past.

  55. Hugh Briss
    Hugh Briss
    December 6, 2014 at 9:39 am

    You left one out:
    6. Constantly ignore what they say they want or need in their lives, cover their mouths, and speak on their behalf.

  56. John
    John
    December 6, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Xbro, whoever you are, you have my full support. I will never understand how sela’s supporter could encourage her by telling her that she’s brave for using her real name. I’ve never heard of a developer getting fired from his/her job for saying that they’re against #gamergate.

    I only hear stories of male and female developer getting fired or their project fucked because they said that they support #gamergate, or if those sjw think that they support gamergate and therefore no matter what gender they are, they must be sexist and misogynist douchebag.

  57. bruce livingston
    bruce livingston
    December 6, 2014 at 10:24 am

    If you “do something” about it, then you can’t just sit and be a victim in perpetuity, and how are you supposed to have power over others if you lose your victim status? C’mon man!

  58. bruce livingston
    bruce livingston
    December 6, 2014 at 10:31 am

    This isn’t exclusive to gaming, or women, you see it everywhere in society today. The perception of victimhood = power. Power to silence those groups that are out to “oppress” you (ya know, by offering an opinion that might be different than your own), power to have your voice heard via mainstream media (let’s be honest, nothing grabs ratings quite like a good victim story). Mind you, this is all about perception, it doesn’t have to be grounded in reality. Facts literally don’t matter. Emotion and “what feels right” will trump all facts and evidence. This is the world we live in now, and the new rules that we all have to play by.

  59. Lion
    Lion
    December 6, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Indeed. But they try to justify their insanity by numbers.

    If most of everyone were insane wouldn’t that make them normal?

  60. Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
    Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
    December 6, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Good to see this cleared up. Don’t see what’s up with Miss Davis, but I guess some of ‘her’ colleagues have her brainwashed

  61. David
    David
    December 6, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    It sucks because if you teach girls they are oppressed they are going to grow up believing it. If you believe you’re oppressed you’re going to act like it. Leads to women becoming extremists with a belief in radical feminism. It will end up holding them back as they will believe society owes them something because they are already discriminated against, and their failings are due to discrimination and not their fault.

  62. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Anonymously making unsupported claims is not whistleblowing. Whistleblowers with any relevance brought verifiable evidence or external testimonials to validate their claims. They didn’t just type “trust me bro’s, I know stuff” and expected people to take it as gospel at face value.

    This is setting aside the problem that this isn’t an example of exposing something important a la whistleblowing, but fathering lathering up a reactionary community with innuendo.

    I don’t know anyone involved in this and don’t even console game. I just find this amusingky sad as this vocal subset of gamers peel away from reality due to amazing poor critical reasoning abilities and fevered conspiracy theory logic.

  63. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Creibility is not simply based on what you say. Anyone can say anything, especially when they don’t put even their name on the line as a bare minimum of establishing a reliable basis. Thanks for illustrating my point.

  64. John Cobalt
    John Cobalt
    December 6, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Except that people on GGs side have been loosing their jobs over this when your side of things goes bananas and call for firings.

  65. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    No evidence.

  66. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Surely you understand the difference between making factual claims that are backed by evidence and logical claims which may stand, or not, on their own. I’ve not made a factual claim that relies on verifiability., but rather have pointed out the logical holes in this whole endeavor. Xbro, among others, are making factual claims without supporting evidence.

  67. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    That’s not what projecting means.

  68. IT Weeb
    IT Weeb
    December 6, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    “Regarding this line: ‘What would happen if these people—or worse, somebody I work with—decided to come after me next?’

    This is the kind of victimizing I can’t stand. It speaks greatly about her misinformation and/or the ulterior motives she might have.”

    The motive behind it is fairly simple. If your identity is revealed publicly, she will immediately go on the offensive and claim that she “only trying to defend herself”. It’s literally the same strategy countries use to justify military invasions.

  69. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    December 6, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Totally agree.

    Also hey dude! I don’t remember seeing you comment on the site before. Welcome!

  70. handsomejack47
    handsomejack47
    December 6, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    LOVE how Xgirl called out Davis’ bluff by basically telling her, “hey, if you feel you’re in actual danger, contact the proper authorities to deal with it”.

  71. Joel Nova
    Joel Nova
    December 6, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    If you are doubting Xbro’s credibility, than you also doubt the same for NicheGamer. The only reason they did those interviews and released this response piece is because they were able to verify his identity. That’s how we are evaluating credibility. If Davis was anonymous, if she had people like NG to vouch for her, than I would deem it credible as well.

    I’m not sure if I understand what you meant by “he literally does not, and can not, support against a real person putting her actual name and reputation behind her statements”, but In his response, he isn’t against Davis using her real name. He doesn’t have any issue with that.

  72. RandomDev
    RandomDev
    December 6, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Thank you for sharing this with us, now I’m going to go share this page with others :)

  73. sluntchop
    sluntchop
    December 6, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    As a bystander that’s fairly far away from the gg and anti-gg all I can see is the issues are real but the people representing both sides come off as extremely childish. Because most of this “war” is on twitter, the whole damn thing has gone down a disgusting rabbit hole. Neither side wants a leader, which means that both will always be amorphous shifting swaths of people that use avatars to argue points both big and small, important and ridiculous.

    The reason I say childish is both gg and anti gg are practicing being victimized and having many pseudo intellectual arguments about whether or not, ethical standards in game journalism are important. They are, so is sexual harrasment and bullying. But its the goddamn internet so everything needs to be black and white. Its so immature that its honestly tiring.

    The problem without having a leader is exactly what you see now with the victimization on both sides, you will always be an organization labeled by OTHERS. Especially since I or any others could just hijack the tag and start hurting either sides credibility.

    If you really care about ethics in games journalism (or sexism in games) and not winning a made up war of idealogues, you would start a real organization that has a clear set of goals and can actually police or denounce someone with authority.

    Tl;Dr both sides are behaving like children, neither wants to formally organize for fear of giving up the power of the twitter mob, and either side will always be amorphous and without clear goals since anyone can be a part of the “movement” and inject their own opinions, no matter how relevant, inflammatory or thought out.

  74. Apocalymon
    Apocalymon
    December 6, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    One person is in danger here and it’s not the one making a facebook post under their real name about how scared they are. Xbro is trying to protect himself from blacklisting and his company from boycotts aimed at forcing blacklisting and given the behavior of game journos and industry figures I do not blame him in the least.

  75. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    December 6, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Werent there over 100 comments originally here, what happened?

  76. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    “You also failed to notice the huge hypocrisy that Sela “clearly has no such fear” while she claims to be afraid. If she was truly afraid, there is no way she would reveal her identity.”

    Some people have the ability to act even when experiencing great fear. Sometimes this is called courage. In any case, your conclusion doesn’t follow from its premise.

    Again, inferior reasoning abilities.

  77. Schlomo
    Schlomo
    December 6, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    More importantly, no Patreon donations coming in.

  78. Guest
    Guest
    December 6, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Xbro you know I like you man but i want to hear form Xgirl!

  79. Gyr0Man
    Gyr0Man
    December 6, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Told status:
    [ ] Not Told
    [X]Told

  80. Mr. J
    Mr. J
    December 6, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    While I get where you’re coming from, Twitter is hardly all (most even?) of #GG, it’s just an easy way to talk and contact people.

  81. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    “One person is in danger here and it’s not the one making a facebook post under their real name about how scared they are. ”

    That doesn’t make sense. Humans are capable of overcoming fear. A person can be afraid and still speak out, while recognizing the perceived risk. Your conclusion does not follow your premise and is not sufficient to discredit the person who has identified herself.

    “Xbro is trying to protect himself from blacklisting and his company from boycotts aimed at forcing blacklisting”

    There are multiple problems here.

    First, the idea of a blacklist rests on facts that are not in evidence. Where is this blacklist? Who has been fired or denied a job because of their affiliation with GamerGate? Support your assertions.

    Secondly, he has identified his employer (obviously) so if these phantom blacklisters wanted to boycott his company, they can already do so. He’s not protecting his company or their products. Which, again, shouldn’t be a problem if he is surrounded by like-minded colleagues.

    Again, remarkably poor critical reasoning abilities.

    “[..]and given the behavior of game journos and industry figures I do not blame him in the least.”

    Yes, “journos”… boogah boogah.

  82. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 6, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    I believe this website has only vouched that Xbro is an employee of Microsoft in the Xbox division. That doesn’t mean they have verified any of his substantive claims and the only other validated source obviously disagrees with him.

  83. Joel Nova
    Joel Nova
    December 6, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    Yep. He said in his responsethat they aren’t colleagues and he doesn’t speak for the whole company, only his department. So it’s fair for her to disagree and say that Xbro doesn’t represent her.

    And you’re right. I don’t think NG have verified all his claims. All we know is that another developer is Pro GG.

  84. Jon
    Jon
    December 7, 2014 at 1:35 am

    How can so many individuals be so based?

  85. Brad Donald
    Brad Donald
    December 7, 2014 at 2:26 am

    Low and behold Ms Davis is friends with ZOE QUINN and MATTIE BRICE, talk about alterior motives and conflict of interests.

  86. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 7, 2014 at 2:28 am

    “Welcome to the internet. Everyone
    is a target when you have an opinion. And in 99.98% of the cases, that
    means trolls will say mean things about you, or curse at you, or make
    you feel bad. This has been going on for over a decade now, and it’s not
    going to change soon.”

    Remember back when “there are no girls on the internet” was a thing? I’m fairly positive there were trolls harassing others back then too.

  87. Camarouge
    Camarouge
    December 7, 2014 at 2:37 am

    I supplied plenty in the most upvoted comment in this entire thread. You didn’t respond

    Methinks you’re just here to argue.

  88. Brad Donald
    Brad Donald
    December 7, 2014 at 3:31 am

    She is personal friends with Zoe Q and Mattie B on face book.

  89. Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
    Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
    December 7, 2014 at 3:32 am

    Well that explains everything. Thanks

  90. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    December 7, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Not sure. I don’t to remove any comments let me check the admin panel. sometimes disqus decides to just remove comments on its own

  91. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 7, 2014 at 11:57 am

    You didn’t list anyone who was fired.

  92. Mspoon
    Mspoon
    December 7, 2014 at 11:59 am

    So, to recap, no one fired for supporting gamergate. Got it.

  93. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    December 7, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Woops I clicked on the wrong article, my bad Brandon :(

  94. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    December 7, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    ” treasurer of the IGDA” was all I needed to see to know she was about to spew bullshit.

  95. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    December 7, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Extra Credits has deep ties in the indie scene, it’s obvious what position they would come out with, even if they don’t believe it themselves.

  96. Psichaos
    Psichaos
    December 7, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    Microsoft is a big company and one of the Big Three, the media will never boycott MS AS A WHOLE. However, if they find out the studio he’s works for, the gaming media can and will blacklist the studio, screw over their games on Metacritic, and call for the firing of everyone associated with the studio. And MS would comply with it just to cover their own ass from any negative PR. The only thing Sarah risks is being mocked by internet trolls; her entire livelihood isn’t at stake by playing the victim card.

  97. Javier Vega
    Javier Vega
    December 7, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Someone who claims to work for Microsoft is also IGDA of Seattle as a Treasure makes us question you. You claim your in fear of working at your job I know for a fact Microsoft has security protect people like you who believe we live in fear.

  98. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 8, 2014 at 3:31 am

    This is also coming off Xbox One’s terrible launch. Microsoft can’t really afford to have any more backlash from their Xbox department so Xbro is already risking quite a lot with this and all he’s doing is expressing his opinion and to an extent the general opinions of his colleagues.

  99. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 8, 2014 at 3:36 am

    Considering the GG side has a harassment patrol in order to do self policing, I’d say the GG side is much better off.

  100. John Cobalt
    John Cobalt
    December 9, 2014 at 6:00 am

    CodeReviewUSA, Ninouh90,

    Go back about 3 months in time for Ninouh90 and about 2 months for CodeReviewUSA.

    2 concrete examples.

  101. Max Headroom
    Max Headroom
    December 13, 2014 at 9:34 am

    I love how fucking pissy you made this “Sela”-woman.

  102. Max Headroom
    Max Headroom
    December 13, 2014 at 10:09 am

    You know just as well as the rest of us that they’re in no way the minority. Don’t lie.

  103. Mitchell Pollock
    Mitchell Pollock
    January 5, 2015 at 8:21 am

    I stopped giving her benefit of the doubt as soon as i read ‘IGDA’…nShe’s another ‘look at me while i kick and scream and do nothing constructive about perceived persecution’ type.nWe know most big companies are Pro GG, cos that’s where their money comes from. A lot of indie’s are anti GG cos that’s where their money comes from, and where their friends reside. Each side will have it’s supporters, as most businesses are in it to make money. They will target their demographic, but unlike Pro GG devs who are just getting on with making games, anti GG devs like anti GG are just kicking and screaming all the time about perceived and imagined events designed to solely target each one of them personally. nThat should tell you all you need to know about these people. That each one of them thinks these ‘attacks’ are aimed at them personally. So one person replies to an anti GG calling bullshit, and they ALL think it’s aimed at them personally, and then cry harrassment. Talk about ego trip!nWe actually get off our asses and do something about the situation, they sit around whining about it and doing very little. That’s why we’re making real world changes like the FTC and ads being pulled. They’re just sitting around and making fuck all progress except for chasing women out of tech under the guise of getting women into tech! Morons.

  104. Dm Gray
    Dm Gray
    May 19, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    The last part of your GG description is VERY important and often misrepresented.

    A lot of the indie scene point fingers at AAA and suggest if GG were about ethics that’s who we would target.
    Thing is, it’s not ABOUT devs, it’s about ethics in the media.
    Indie devs are close (by nature of their job) to PR, the AAA producers have employees *specifically* for that and procedures to (hopefully) keep it all professional, so that the devs can focus on… developing games. (I have a couple of friends that work PR for Blizz. They work their arses off dealing with all the bullshit of marketing and organising events and essentially operate as a buffer between the media and the actual devs)

    An indie dev will struggle to do so many jobs (which deserves credit and praise) which expose them to the things GG is campaigning against.
    Calling out people that abuse personal connections isn’t harming indie game devs any more than preventing insider trading harms moral financial institutions (indeed, it’s in their best interests)

  105. Dm Gray
    Dm Gray
    May 19, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Had a good friend have that reaction when learning I was unapologetically anti-feminist.
    Got *very* angry about me secretly hating women and pretty much disowned me… til he had a few hours to think it over and remember who, exactly, I am and apologise.

    His mum identifies feminist, and he works around “good feminists”
    The fact that he’s a manipulative womaniser with a history of contempt for most women (most people) was irrelevant, because feminism = a free pass :P
    Amusingly, I get on pretty well with his family (most people, truth me told. Sincere courtesy goes over well, even if I seem odd to most ^^)