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Tumblr Attacks Japanese Artist for Re-Creating Black Character with White Skin

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We make an effort to report on both game developers, artists, and creators alike from around the world here at Niche Gamer. One of the biggest concerns with the staff at our site is the trampling over creators and their work, due to the outrage police.

A Japanese artist who goes by the name Gashi-Gashi recently put out a fan-adaptation showcasing the character Garnet, from the Steven Universe cartoon, on his Pixiv account. You can find that design below:

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For those who don’t follow the show, Garnet is easily one of the most powerful of the gems, and the unofficial leader of the Crystal Gems, warriors who are trying to protect Earth from the homeworld gems. They are powered by the very gems they’re named after.

Garnet is described as having “dark, reddish-hued skin” and a “large black afro,” according to Wikipedia. Her race is never truly implied as far as I can tell, and while I haven’t watched the show, I’m making an assumption here that race isn’t really factored into the canon.

So what happened? Gashi-Gashi posted the drawing to his Pixiv account, and there wasn’t much response from users in Japan. He then published it on his tumblr and then, it really got some attention. People began to attack and berate him for depicting a seemingly black character with lighter skin, and a different hair style.

“After I uploaded the image the response was huge. Mostly from the foreign country side (tumblr), but there was nothing special in response on pixiv,” said Gashi-Gashi on his personal Twitter, when describing the difference in impressions. “As a result, you can clearly see the difference in how people in Japan and those outside of it think about the drawing. I’m thankful that most of the people affirmed my response. I received an acrimonious and harsh repudiation message from one part of the group.”

[Editor’s note: All quotes from Gashi-Gashi are direct translations from his Twitter]

This is the first time Gashi-Gashi has apparently come across this kind of response. “This time around my experience was not limited to those in Japan, and the response was not mild. This is a result of a difference in values. And this response clearly came from overseas. […] Because I’m Japanese, I never had that kind of conversation near me. That’s not the kind of excuse I want to make. But after making some fan art in my own style, I got this kind of response. This isn’t impossible. I know that now.”

Gashi-Gashi also spoke about the amount of freedom those who spew commentary onto the internet have, in anonymity. “It’s just that those anonymous people have so much certainty. You start to wonder if everyone in other countries feels the same way. What you can get out of what happened is that you can’t unconsciously avoid the difference in values. That’s certain.”

“The worst pattern that comes from this is: drawing a black character brings all kinds of criticism. It makes you stop doing that entirely,” said a fellow doujin artist on Twitter, when responding to Gashi-Gashi. “That’s what it comes to, I think.”

Gashi-Gashi continued: “Changing the arm color caused the drawing to have a negative impression. I never meant for that to happen. Please be aware of that, and my naive way of way of thinking hadn’t considered it. I’ll learn from this.”

He described the origins of the drawing, and revealed that he had no ulterior motives behind creating it. “There certainly are a lot of people that think it has some special meaning, even if I didn’t mean for it to. I’m glad I learned about this. Maybe it was a naive representation. But I think it can’t end with just my saying that.”

“Even though I made the drawing with no bad intentions, I’m getting asked why I drew Garnet’s arm with white skin,” said Gashi-Gashi. “And I was asked why I didn’t give her an afro but a design with a different hairstyle.”

He shared a bit of extremely insightful words regarding the differences in culture between the Japanese and the west. “For me, a Japanese man living in Japan, displaying this with a purpose to other Japanese fans who like the same work for overseas well, I think it had the same significance to them. I was really surprised myself when some of the responses came in. Not saying anything and offering no response”

After the entire debacle, he took to his tumblr in an effort to post a message to calm the waters:

“I was not going to drew whiten skin of garnet.
But the feeling that want to say an opinion on that thing I know.
At least I was away and ambiguous representation of that.

But the fact that I love the garnet and SU is I want you to understand.

thank you.”

So what do you guys think? Is Gashi-Gashi wrong for re-drawing a darker-skinned character, with lighter skin? What about Garnet’s hair? Is this just getting ridiculous at this point? Sound off in the comments!

[Editor’s Note: Translations were provided by our translator, Claude Smith.]

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635 comments
  1. patyos
    patyos
    April 7, 2015 at 11:55 am

    That supposed to be light skin ? Looks like Dark skin

  2. daggot △
    daggot △
    April 7, 2015 at 11:58 am

    looks brown to me

  3. Milewde
    Milewde
    April 7, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Imagine the response he would have gotten had he done the opposite.

    Storm in a teacup.

    Black tea, mind you. ;)

  4. Lester Paredes
    Lester Paredes
    April 7, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    I don’t get this. If a white character is reimagined as black, there’s backlash. If a black character is reimagined white, there’s backlash. There’s no winning.
    Honestly, I think the picture is awesome. I see Garnet as a light skinned black person. I mean, those people do exist,after all. People need to calm down and not be so sensitive. Also, they need to stop being dicks online.

  5. Zizal
    Zizal
    April 7, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    Thanks god we don’t have the aids called feminism here.

  6. Darrell Hinkle
    Darrell Hinkle
    April 7, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    I wonder how many of the folks throwing an infantile tantrum over this on Tumblr defended Fem-Thor, or Captain Falcon (the new Captain America) from criticism.

  7. MetalGearSalamander
    MetalGearSalamander
    April 7, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    > tumblr attacking some artist for their own version of something

    well stop the fucking presses. What else is new? Tumblrtards and SJWs will cry and whine and browbeat just about anything that doesn’t suit THEIR standards. Because the world revolves around them, amiright?

  8. Juhata
    Juhata
    April 7, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    But that doesn’t look white at all. It looks more brown-ish to me.
    Regardless, I hope the artist doesn’t censor himself in the future to appeal these people.

  9. AnonDog
    AnonDog
    April 7, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    One of my favorite characters is Jecht from FFX and I’ve seen numerous fanart making him into a woman and I don’t get ass mad about it. It’s just another interpretation of the character from the show and that’s all it is.

    Why is it when someone does a slightly different representation of something like changing the skin tone slightly these idiots spit, spew and froth at the mouth thinking it will accomplish something? Making her from White to Black would have been met with roaring applause in all likelihood. These people never cease to amaze me with their inexplicable ignorance.

  10. Nin
    Nin
    April 7, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    I haven’t watched the show in question, but I would still call her black. I think these people haven’t met enough black people.

  11. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    April 7, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    So we can make a female Thor and a gay Green Lantern, but not a miscolored black character with an afro?

    I was going to say ‘never give these whiny bitches an inch’, but I think that shipped has sailed. SJW nuts have taken the field. I think in this day and age we ought to ‘offend’, and in the most respectable way possible.

  12. MaidKillua
    MaidKillua
    April 7, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    GOD DAMNIT JAPAN IT’S NOT BLACK ENOUGH. I CAN SEE IT REFLECTING LIGHT YOU HORRIBLE OPPRESSORS

    /sarcasm

    Ok but have you seen how many people on Tumblr constantly draw Gon from Hunter x Hunter black for no apparent reason? Don’t see Japan getting all rectally damaged over it

  13. vileBrenman
    vileBrenman
    April 7, 2015 at 12:47 pm

    Freakin Sjw’s they need to chill this guy is just drawing an anime like version of an American cartoon

  14. Fenrir7
    Fenrir7
    April 7, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    Look how easy it is to piss off tumblr lol. I say we take a bunch of black characters and draw them white, then bust out the popcorn :)

  15. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    April 7, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    The answer is all of them. :)

  16. Takane Shijou
    Takane Shijou
    April 7, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    It’s mainly a sign of the times anymore. Either you make something that suits me or I’ll start a petition to get you to change/stop it.

    It’s really amazing when you think about it. People used to just say ‘Oh hey, I don’t think I like this kind of thing, so rather than give it more attention and force it to conform to my tastes, I’ll just decide against purchasing it and vote with my wallet.’ Now, since everyone has a platform thanks to how widely spread the internet is now, everyone has to have their tastes catered to no matter what the product in question is. Making it hard enough for creators to make what they want, now they have to contend with others wanting to alter their projects to suit their needs.

    I really don’t get it.

  17. ronin4life
    ronin4life
    April 7, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    She is actually a magical alien.

  18. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    April 7, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    This seems to remind me of people losing their shit when they dared to make Spider Man black and people lost their fucking minds. This is just stupidity on top of more stupidity.

    OH NOES WE CAN’T HAVE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN INTERPRETATIONS OF CHARACTERS EXPRESSED IN ART ANYMORE, NO SIR!! TRIGGER TRIGGER!!! CISGENDER!! PATRIARCHY!! WHITE PRIVILEGED!! MISOGYNY!! (This is my impersonation of most people on Tumblr or Twitter, think I’m pretty close)

    But really, these are the same people who also cry that games are not artistic enough, yet they pull this shit. Its more “I want games to be more artistic THAT I LIKE.” As well as “I want games to have more political messages THAT I AGREE WITH.”

    tl:dr: Screw these hypocritical Tumblrtards.

  19. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 7, 2015 at 1:09 pm

    “The worst pattern that comes from this is: drawing a black character
    brings all kinds of criticism. It makes you stop doing that entirely,”

    This is ultimately what happens with black, female or transgender characters, in various degrees. When you have to awalk around eggshells even designing them (and now even in goddamn fanart, of all things!), it is better to simply not bother with that crap and go with a 100% white male character cast and that’s it.

    Now, what truly frightens me is that it seems Tumblr is being mistaken for the collective opinion of the west. It is unfortunate that we have such a big language barrier with most japanese artists, but it would be important for us to send a very clear message that those people are a perpetually offended fringe with an agenda and that they, in NO way, speak for us.

  20. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 7, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    An afro-american alien, according to Tumblr.

  21. Sylveria Shini
    Sylveria Shini
    April 7, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    “The worst pattern that comes from this is: drawing a black character
    brings all kinds of criticism. It makes you stop doing that entirely,”

    This really sums up the problem with the tumblr attitude: they’re so militant about everything, people are simply not going to attempt to do different things. They’ll just play it safe because its easier to blow off the bog-standard “everyone’s straight and white” complaint than more focused and angry ones about a specific character/item/etc.

  22. DeusEx
    DeusEx
    April 7, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    Oh, the hypocrisy is rich here. You don’t get to take the moral high-ground when that Swede desexes all those female characters, or that teenaged black Power Girl, and then freak out at a case like this. Go fuck yourself tumblr, but if you wanna fight dirty, then by all means we’ll fight dirty. You don’t get to cry about harassment afterwards though.

  23. Phelan
    Phelan
    April 7, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    So… pretty much:
    “That bloody Jap drew black character with white skin, that’s racists!”

    … huh…. it’s so wrong… on so many levels… that it is hard to comment.

    How stupid you need to be to accuse a JAPANESE artist of deliberately WHITENING a skin of black character?! Those people stoped their evolution on stage of chimpanzee.

  24. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    April 7, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    Just another day at tumblr…

  25. Rito Teeto Rai
    Rito Teeto Rai
    April 7, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    She still looks black (well, as implied as it is in the show because she’s actually pinkish/reddish) to me.
    I say we shut Tumblr down because this is getting outrageous. This isn’t freedom of speech it’s freedom to attack.

  26. Rito Teeto Rai
    Rito Teeto Rai
    April 7, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    That’s what I say.
    I think the work is beautiful and I thing Garnett is well portrayed. She’s my favorite gem of all. <3

  27. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 7, 2015 at 3:11 pm

    He’s right he was naive, I’m going to take a neutral stance on this one, if he posted his art on tumblr of all places he was just asking for that sort of savage and insane responses.

    This is going to present a big cultural and social problem in the future and people will have to deal with it, geographical barriers are no longer a thing, anyone anywhere can access the same internet, but the barriers now are the websites we browse.
    If he wants to post art on tumblr, he’ll have to deal with the insanity of their community, if he wants to stick with more reasonable people he already had a pixiv.

    As a general rule the more reasonable and sensible people like will always get bullied by the less thinking and more aggressive types, so I feel bad for him or other japanese like him but they will do better to stay away from some places for their own good, for the sake of their own sanity.

  28. eltonBorges
    eltonBorges
    April 7, 2015 at 3:15 pm

    First, the Japanese usually draw themselves with huge eyes, impossible colors for both eyes and hair. And they have some problems with dark skin in women if I remember correctly.

    I just think he expected attention, and he got it, but not in the way he wanted. I enjoyed the style, but I think people can, and have to expect criticism.
    But how this criticism is made makes all the difference, and attack the artist, not the art, that is a huge problem. I do believe he kind of messed up the character in very specif ways to remove what he perceive as “race traits”(since they are aliens, race is a bit weird to describe them), but, what is wrong with that? You can ask the artist why he removed the traits, but ask him to change it is too much.

  29. Nicole
    Nicole
    April 7, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    Gems don’t have races. I love SU. But seriously gems don’t have races. It’s a beautiful illustration. Gems don’t even have genders.

  30. eltonBorges
    eltonBorges
    April 7, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    I kind of disagree. See, tumblr is a weird place for sure, but I can’t say the best course is to avoid contact with the western public. We are western and we love and respect the points of view of the east in this page. We try to understand it, that’s why we enjoy so many games, and VNs from them. I think they should try to keep in touch with the rest of the world too. I just hope they just don’t get too afraid after this kind of stuff.

  31. KojimaKaminaDesu
    KojimaKaminaDesu
    April 7, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    Tumblr needs to be purged immediately.

  32. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 7, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    It’s fan art. The point of fan art is a complete reinterpretation of the source material without any sort of boundaries.

    Saying fan art is racist because it switched “races” (she is still an alien, last I checked) is completely moronic, especially since this is a staple in fandoms, especially in Japan (and on Tumblr).

    Hypocrisy, overreaction, double standards. The shame brigade, once again, does it all.

  33. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 7, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    Please, don’t offend them like this. The chimpanzees did nothing wrong and are a pretty respectable bunch.

  34. Phelan
    Phelan
    April 7, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    Yeah… I was also think about adding note that I don’t want to offend them :/

  35. MaidKillua
    MaidKillua
    April 7, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    You might get SWAT’d, wouldn’t put it past Tumblr

  36. Donwel
    Donwel
    April 7, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    I think the Japanese know that tumblrites don’t speak for all of us, just that they’re the most…. let’s say, violently vocal.
    Thing is that guy looks like a damn talented artist and now he might be discouraged from drawing this kind of artwork in the future, which is an absolute shame.

  37. Sevuz
    Sevuz
    April 7, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    Are we sure that Tumblr people ain’t an alien species from a fucked up planet somewhere?

  38. eltonBorges
    eltonBorges
    April 7, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    That’s why I said it’s ok to criticize the art. See, she is an alien, just like the other gems, and while he made Garnet more pale, he also gave Pearl a darker skin. Question the artists why he decided to to that is OK, ask him to change it back or anything like that isn’t.
    Frankly, what I’m curious is what made this particular picture news? It’s the fact the cartoon is more recent?

  39. King of Bros
    King of Bros
    April 7, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    Tumblr is hilarious.
    These very same people enjoy turning white characters into characters of other colours(see the infamous Lord of The Rings with coloured people) but throw a hissy fit when the reverse happens.

  40. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    April 7, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    I normally avoid talking about completely non-game related stuff, but this was something I felt was worth talking about on our site.

    This is going to tie more into our anime sister site, which is launching soon. With that site we’ll be covering anime, fandom, and topics relating to all of this stuff.

  41. Zach Wright
    Zach Wright
    April 7, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    it’s honestly stupid how the people on tumblr are this is an awesome drawing also the uncultured fucks need to understand how people from north america and asia have different taste for drawing most main being alot of asians well give there drawings a glossy look. this drawing is awesome it’s really well done who the fuck cares if her skin is a bit lighter to me she looks black

  42. Ivyxaue
    Ivyxaue
    April 7, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    I think he did fuckin’ fine. I bet most of those tumblr assholes paid no mind to detail. Lookin’ over the hands, her skin is clearly lightened from the gems’ glow. It’s all in the detail of the shading..

  43. eltonBorges
    eltonBorges
    April 7, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    Cool!

  44. MsolGlz
    MsolGlz
    April 7, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    How is that fucking white skin assholes?

  45. Lustra Guy
    Lustra Guy
    April 7, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    This is fucking sad. The response of the guy is perfect, he is mature, he thinks rational, but these tumblr cunts just can’t get enough. If the guy wanted to draw her white, then so be it (even though black people naturally have whiter palms), if he wanted to maker her be fucked by a fucking squid, then so be it. Why do some people have to attack others just because they have nothing better to do? I’m starting to get sick of this, it’ll go away in 5 years, but god damn.

  46. Wolfe
    Wolfe
    April 7, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    You know what, just fuck tumblr. Fuck all these entitled, whiny kids engaging in race and gender oriented witch hunts. The western world has no future at this rate.

  47. Larxie Arveri
    Larxie Arveri
    April 7, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    I feel like he should’ve told all of them to fuck off. It’s his rendition and she doesn’t even look white. He can draw whatever the fuck he wants.

  48. Psyramics
    Psyramics
    April 7, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    Tumblr attacks ______ for ________ with white _______.

    Have fun.

  49. Canopus Walf
    Canopus Walf
    April 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    I think the worst part was his simple statement “I’ll learn from this.” The fact that the outrage lunatics are going to influence his artistic mindset is sickening. Just pathetic, empty people too lazy to be real activists and too narcissistic to legitimately care about real issues.

  50. Canopus Walf
    Canopus Walf
    April 7, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    And we’re talking about *fanart* here, it’s not even as if SU officially changed the character. Tumblr gets sadder and sadder by the day.

  51. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 7, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    I wonder if they really know… When we have even big and international companies like Squeenix self censoring incredibly stupid things because of western sensibilities, it makes me wonder if us just silently shaking our heads at all the Tumblrellas and their shenanigans wasn’t, in part, the reason for that assumption.

  52. Jordan Groves
    Jordan Groves
    April 7, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    …She isn’t even like actually white. She looks more like a brownish-caramel color, maybe just a few shades lighter due to the lighting a the art style. Hell, she actually looks LESS racially insensitive here than she does in the show.

    Tumblr users just always have to find that one thing to complain about, even if it’s just the slightest thing that’s friggin’ stupid to dislike.. Goddamn Social Justice Knights..

  53. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    April 7, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    Of course it’s Tumblr. It’s always Tumblr.

    Man Gashi-Gashi doesn’t deserve this. I love that person’s art way too much.

  54. Fenrir7
    Fenrir7
    April 7, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    lol I’m not afraid of these tumblrtards

  55. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    April 7, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    That’s my main issue with this. It’s not even that people are throwing a tantrum over skin color change. It’s that it’s not even really changed. I don’t think, anyway. I’ll admit I’ve never seen the show but from the screencaps I’ve come across the girl’s red or something, and in the fanart depicted she’s still red or something. This isn’t like those weird 4chan edits where they make Mr. Popo blue, or how Shantae was basically pale in the first images posted of Half Genie Hero. It’s a big pile of nothing.

  56. W.G. Hamburger
    W.G. Hamburger
    April 7, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    Holy shit I cannot believe they can’t just let this go. The gems don’t have ethnicity. They are goddamn immortal outer space energy lifeforms. You can’t correlate human race with something like that.

    Also, Garnet is more of a dark carmine shade.

  57. Saga Retrowave
    Saga Retrowave
    April 7, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    Most of these people whining on Tumblr probably aren’t even dark-skinned.

  58. sanic
    sanic
    April 7, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    Why should anyone care seriously? Were even a quarter the people complaining black?

  59. kunuri
    kunuri
    April 7, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    TOP. KEK. Well done tumblr, you’ve sunk even lower. I’m just upset this artist actually felt the need to apologize to this people.

  60. Lucas Sendintheclowns Mercep
    Lucas Sendintheclowns Mercep
    April 7, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    It’s funny because the character is still black, tumblr’s just blind and doesn’t understand lighting

  61. NilkadNaquada
    NilkadNaquada
    April 7, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    Indeed race isn’t factored into the canon considering that they’re GEMS FROM ANOTHER PLANET

  62. Marty Loup
    Marty Loup
    April 7, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    definitely a bad move but i still love gashi

  63. Yomi Rapter
    Yomi Rapter
    April 7, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    GARNET IS NOT EVEN BLACK,SHE’S LIKE PINK

  64. Harlem Ball Z
    Harlem Ball Z
    April 7, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    I would be on the artist side and say he has his style and also is a fanart, is a common trait in fanarts to not look the same to the official styles because each artist wants to draw them in their own style (tumblr does the same thing). I would also add that Garnet’s skin (in that fanart) probably look lighter because the artist wanted to use more colorful lightings, besides, her skin is not THAT pale, you can still see is not white. As for the race, well he sees them as aliens, and they are aliens and have no official race besides being aliens

  65. Julio Reyna Holguin
    Julio Reyna Holguin
    April 7, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    the true question is why he didn’t changed all the three characters, but just the black one?

  66. TheShadwofChaos
    TheShadwofChaos
    April 7, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    You know it wasn’t 4chan that made Mr. Popo blue, it was the studio trying to avoid having a blackface character.

  67. Noxiia
    Noxiia
    April 7, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    He didn’t really change her, except for a reimagined hair style that still implies the box-shape of her usual afro. I rather like his take on her hair.

  68. Roppikku Orihara
    Roppikku Orihara
    April 7, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    I truly feel bad for him. I feel bad that he had to deal with such horrible criticism. I don’t watch the show nor like it personally, but when I saw the picture, I didn’t even catch anything wrong with it. People draw characters with different skin shades and hair all the time. Sometimes they pick what looks the best in their own syle. And so what if it isn’t exact? This is a common thing that happens. I don’t see why they’re freaking out.

    The art is beautiful none the less. He should be very proud of it. Factor the tumblr opinions out and just focus on what YOU think of it. I can think of several deviants who would appreciate this work a ton.

  69. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 7, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    “Garnet is described as having “dark, reddish-hued skin” and a “large black afro,” according to Wikipedia.”

    And when I look at her face, I’m seeing dark, reddish-hued colors. Why is her hand white? Because the gem is glowing and the inside of the palm is usually lighter skinned than the rest of the body anyway.

    Really, the only crime he committed was not giving her the afro because afros are awesome.

  70. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 7, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    And people wonder why western main characters are white males.

  71. Kawaii Keke
    Kawaii Keke
    April 7, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    As a black american I see nothing wrong with this picture. It’s just fanart.

  72. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 7, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    So that’s bad but this is perfectly fine:

  73. DJMiso
    DJMiso
    April 7, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    wtf, it’s fanart. even if she WAS white, who are they to say that they can have say over HIS art? these people are stupid. :/

  74. Jessie
    Jessie
    April 7, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    I love how people seem to forget.. THEY ARE ALIENS. ROCKS.
    Their skin can turn purple or pink or green and that would be completly justified cause THEY ARE NOT HUMAN.

    This sort of stuff kills the fandom, when they start bitting each other heads off over cartoon alien humanized rocks

  75. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    April 7, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    I have no idea why I typed 4chan instead of 4kids. Habit, maybe.

  76. Jack Comber
    Jack Comber
    April 7, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    So they don’t complain when you turn a white character black, but when it is the other way around it causes outbreak from SJW’s? We are trying for equality here guys…

  77. monkeyman2k
    monkeyman2k
    April 7, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    The light from the gems are making her look lighter skinned.

  78. TaliNESS
    TaliNESS
    April 7, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    gyagyagyaggya!!!!

  79. Jack Ripper
    Jack Ripper
    April 7, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    Goddamn if there were more people like you, the world wouldn’t be such a sad, whiny, bitchy place. I honestly hope this doesn’t discourage artist as he seems really talented.

    People need to drink some cool one and relax…seriously.

  80. a1uM1nuM448
    a1uM1nuM448
    April 7, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    This makes me sad that people actually even care that much… It’s such a pretty picture…. get over yourselves people.

  81. grgspunk
    grgspunk
    April 7, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    If this isn’t the perfect opportunity for #Gamergate to step in and make inroads with the Japanese community, I don’t know what is. These SJW assholes have been far too insistent on going after Japanese artists.

  82. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 7, 2015 at 9:37 pm

    You just mention character that are hardly represented so of course there wont be anyone attacking characters that hardly exist compared to their counterparts

  83. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 7, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    Because there is a see of white characters dumb dumb, taking form a sea full of fish wont bother you, but if I come to your fish tank and take some of your fish youll bitch.

  84. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    April 7, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    Well at least the “massive amount of racism” they probably see in clouds too and then yell at the sky, made them ignoring that he gave the girl to the right huge breast, which I approve of :3

  85. Rito Teeto Rai
    Rito Teeto Rai
    April 7, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    Anyone have the link to the original image? I’d like to save it. c:

  86. Skoo Berry
    Skoo Berry
    April 7, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    If its ok to recolor all the light skinned disney princesses to see how they would look like if they were of ethnic race, then why is it wrong for someone to draw a black woman with just a little lighter skin? He obviously made her darker then the pale skinned girl beside her. It would be another thing if he made her with the same skin color as the girl beside her. Since when did fan art become about completely copying the original artist anyways? The whole point of fan art is to draw the characters in your own style and interpretation. But of course this is tumblr we are talking about, it has come to my realisation a long time ago that if its on tumblr, any tumblrmaniac can find some problem with it in some way or another. Its what they apparently live for. Anyways I think it happens to be a lovely rendition of the characters even if I don’t know that much about SU (I’ve only seen like two or three episodes.) I think he should keep drawing to his hearts desire and not worry about tumblr. If they don’t like it just put your art somewhere else, I’m sure there are plenty of people out their who do appreciate beautiful artwork.

  87. Kameron ShadowHawk
    Kameron ShadowHawk
    April 7, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    Annie was originally Black. They changed her to White because of the time period. They used a Red Headed White Irish girl because even though Irish People were eventually assimilated and accepted into mainstream White society, They went with the Irish red head because they were considered low class.

    But…..Of course alot of you are Ignorant and brainwashed as hell and dont study anything outside of the Manifest Destiny / Revisionist History that your Spoon fed.

  88. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 7, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    His way of thinking is useless. If I finally travel the world and find differences I will try my best to respect them. I may offend someone but its in my best interest to try to find out why other than pull the “I will never visit that country again because of my feelings”.

    Japan is not full of other cultures like that, so if someone noticed it they can not show their feelings towards it knowing no one else would understand what they see, example the comments below.

    There is a history of white washing in the already slim pinkings of colored characters in america from Cleopatra to that new mother on fresh prince, because lighter skin no matter the hue is claimed to be the best and most favorable skin

    light skin, is more favorable. So image girls and boys that are darker in tone finally have that one character in the million. They hold it, cherish it and will protect it because THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE; then they see it, their only character changed to fit standards yet again.

    you remember what happened to rue in hunger games? it states right in the book, dark skin and people (mostly white) complained that she was suppose to be tan not black. ONE BLACK GIRL IN THE WHOLE SEA OF LIGHT CHARACTERS and they complain and shes not even far from tan.

    It do not work on other characters like if you change a white character black because you are just picking from the billions of white characters to add to the thousands of colored characters. You cant have a whole tub of ice cream and then cry when your mother decide your sibling should have one scoop. We call people like you selfish

    stop being whiny bitches there are people that deserve to be mad, frustrated and over protective of something they hardly have in the first place.

  89. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 7, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    Yes because it was based on children who didnt get adopted. In the time red heads wasnt liked allot they used red heads. Now its the time when representation of black characters are scarce , so using a black character makes sence.

  90. MissUnFortune
    MissUnFortune
    April 7, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    So uh. I’ma keep it real as a deeper complexioned gal from MY prospective. What I always hear is “Black comes in many shades.” Mmhmm. I can’t deny that but what is happening is we never get to see “many shades” any more. Let’s paint a picture…
    Imagine a beautiful rainbow. Everyone says it’s beautiful but their favorite color is red or blue. Meanwhile, purple is cool with it. Purple lets the other colors do their thing. Now, purple gets an admirer that loves purple for her. But then? All purple hears is, “Why can’t you be just a little more—red?” Well purple can’t and there are other rainbows out there that are fine with purple where it is at on Roy G. Biv scale so leave her alone. Don’t make purple red. Because purple is purple. Not even in jest should you mess with purple. They have a hard enough time trying to get black to stop being so depressed and love themselves, too.

    The end.

  91. MissUnFortune
    MissUnFortune
    April 7, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    Couldn’t have said it better. Cept I said mine a bit nicer. I agree with you though :)

  92. Dillon Ryan
    Dillon Ryan
    April 7, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    tho i think its that garnet having African characteristic flawless and makes her distinct and iconic while pushing for a much need change in the industry, she and the other gems are not black, white or any other human race. garnet is red/purplish skin color (because there a fusion of ruby and sapphire) i feel that people and fans forget how deep the cartoon is and have been trying to uses it as a platform for all the wrong reasons. dont get me wrong i feel that the show is unlike any other and i love it for that! i just feel that the tumblr social justice worriers are trying to clam it for there own and make it so if you dont fit into there idea for the show’s intended audience (by there perspective) you should not like or support the show in any way which i think is wrong and hurts Rebecca Sugar. the show show use so much like how that you can do anything, family fight together, any love is wonderful, what your body is does not define you, and things i have taken for the show that i wish i grew up with are thing like. not all fathers are idiots. men dont need to hide how they feel, having a strong women to look up to as a man does not main your not manly. and that “you are always loved and you are worth fighting for”. lets not use the work of Rebecca as a why to divide us but to bring us together. <3

  93. MissUnFortune
    MissUnFortune
    April 7, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    Mike bruh what

  94. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 7, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    Because its mostly ALL LIGHT SKIN. Meaning you punch up never down. You will never feel sorry for making jokes of the rich but you are an asshole if you make fun of a poor man in the streets. Logic please use it.
    White characters are the main characters , the standard, the template for “human being”. You think of human you think of a white man not indian, latin, Mexican or black man; You think human, you think of a man, you dont think woman, or mixed genders. So making fun of a white man is never going to be as bad or good as making fun of a indian woman because you always try to level the playing field.

    white characters are massively represented by a mile
    black/poc is only a few inches.
    GET IT!!

  95. Jared K
    Jared K
    April 7, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    Greatest mix-up ever.
    “just going to watch the powerangers on 4chan now–WHAT IS HAPPENING!?”

  96. savyrabbit
    savyrabbit
    April 7, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    No wonder they think everything is “whitewashed” its because no one wants to get the black character wrong somehow and deemed a racist, so they dont make a black character! People always making everyone uncomfortable about race and culture when its all about EXPRESSION. No wonder people are starting to shy away from the whole african culture because they dont want to be racist. And now an asian artist is like fuuuuuck ever getting anywere near black shit because a bunch of people are mad at his personal expression of something. Way to make him into a racist, he probably wasnt before this hahahahaha

  97. Tyler Dolson
    Tyler Dolson
    April 7, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    I’m pretty sure people take lighter skinned characters all the time and darken the skin in different fan arts and no one bats an eyelash? It’s FAN ART. People can really, honestly, draw what they like, and it’s pretty beautiful art regardless.

  98. Jesus
    Jesus
    April 7, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    So, it’s totally okay to draw Sailor Moon and other anime characters black to prove some point that all anime characters are white??? even though pretty sure they are japanese?? But when it comes to a black character being a little lighter…people shit themselves?
    All of tumblr just redeemed themselves as fucking retards.
    This poor artist. Like honestly, that whole site needs to be burned to the ground because of the morons that in-habit it.

  99. Max Aldebarane
    Max Aldebarane
    April 7, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    Tumblr just needs to be eradicated from earth, simple as that.

  100. Skylar Misery
    Skylar Misery
    April 7, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    Good job, Tumblrinas, making the Steven Universe fandom look bad and shaming an artist who innocently made art.

  101. blest
    blest
    April 7, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    Im here just to see how white people are responding to this lol.

  102. blest
    blest
    April 7, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    “These people” lmfao. Oh you guys

  103. blest
    blest
    April 7, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    they wont get it lol. No matter how many times we explain why to them…they wont

  104. blest
    blest
    April 7, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    bet you thought you struck gold with this one lol.

  105. Hannah Marie Smith
    Hannah Marie Smith
    April 7, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    Gashi-Gashi, I hope that if you read these comments, you see mine and it isn’t buried in the hype. People here in America (as I imagine were the people that were outraged by your post) are very sensitive in this generation. They cry out discrimination at the slightest thing. Personally, I believe that you portrayed Garnet in a way that matches her character more than black does. Because she has red-hued skin, not black. I enjoy your artwork, and sorely hope that these people that have cried out against you do not seem to speak for all of America. Some of us, a majority of us that don’t live our lives on the internet, and in victimizing ourselves, do not think that way. We can be very accepting and kind, but the cruelty becomes overwhelming at times.

  106. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 7, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    They dont want to, its a privilege to be this free I tell you I wish I never had to think about this.

  107. blest
    blest
    April 7, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    you people are so cute lol.

  108. dope_danny
    dope_danny
    April 7, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    Christ tumblrs witch hunts are getting dumber. Shes not black like a human, shes a garnet colour. Like every other gem is the colour of their gem.

    Do these idiots just look at characters like lapis and have a trigger shit fit because they cant racially stereotype them?

    What a bunch of hypocritical chodes, as usual.

  109. kanme
    kanme
    April 7, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    It’s very telling that you see “white” characters as some vague unified mass where you can pick and choose out of to fulfill some social agenda. Are you capable of seeing characters for anything other than skin color?

    The worst part is that you have a point; characters have been whitewashed or judged poorly throughout history because they have had dark skin. This case isn’t one of them, though. There is no way you can argue that the skin tone in Gashi’s drawing is “white” (compare her skin color to Pearl’s). Tumblr has, once again, made a big deal out of a non-issue.

  110. Kenny Young
    Kenny Young
    April 7, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    last time i checked, she wasnt black, shes a “fusion Gem”

  111. Levi Nanase
    Levi Nanase
    April 7, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    I don’t understand, the creator drew Garnet’s gems glowing? Of course the skin would appear lighter. That’s how the glow affect works, everything becomes a little lighter.

  112. ミケラ
    ミケラ
    April 7, 2015 at 11:08 pm

    The fanart is recent. It was posted around 4 days ago and it has huge controvery on tumblr right now.

  113. Zeph
    Zeph
    April 7, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    Garnet isn’t even black though. She is garnet colored. :I all of the Chrystal Gems that I’ve seen have skin the color of their gem.

  114. iMara93
    iMara93
    April 7, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    Actually, he colored her skin correctly. The white tint os bwcause of the gems glowing. Soctheir whole argument on the skin is invalid….plus, her face is the right color. I as an african american like the hair style he drew as well. Plus its fan art. Its not gonna be perfectly similar. So suck it up, whiner babies. You dont like, then just move on.

  115. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 7, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    Do something for me and google
    pretty girl
    pretty boy
    beautiful women
    beautiful people
    and tell me what you massively see in google images then come back and look at this idiotic action you are trying to pull

    You are also denying mass studies on race and gender in American society for your own comfort. Again proving my point.

    Once again people like you cant find common sense to begin with. You are that idiot that will tell a zebra its picking and choosing what it wants to see in a field of only horses.
    DUH ill notice when I dont see anyone of my same skin color in 90% of movies, tv shows, commercials, modeling agencies, corporations, etc its common sense.
    YOU wont notice because that is what you grew up with, you wont notice the smell of your house (the smell being used to white as an default) because you lived it all your life but someone that dont live with your smell (aka your standards of all white actors, characters, shows, movies, magazines, video games, media) will smell the shit before they hit the door.

    how is that youll believe a person buying a car will not see the car beforehand but as soon as they buy it will see the car they bough more times on the road than ever, and not a black person in a sea of white media?

  116. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 7, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    Most western main characters are white because movie studios don’t think white people will appreciate characters that aren’t white. Unfortunately this has proven to be true a lot of the time. They tend to pander to white people because that’s were the money is as minority movie goers tend to be more varied in the movies they watch because they don’t have the option of picking and choosing as there aren’t a lot of main characters that are minority. Basically an Asian person couldn’t not just see a movie because there are no Asians because they would end up just not watching any movies lol. This is also the reason why they white wash characters in live action adaptions of anime. So while a fear of offending people might factor in its much more likely that there is a financial motivation.

  117. Jai Star
    Jai Star
    April 7, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    I think Gashi-Gashi can be forgiven of his mistake. Many people don’t realize that Japan has so few foreigners that they don’t take race into consideration. Everything is just Japanese. His take on the character was Japanese. There is nothing wrong with people getting upset about the change because the rest of the world is in an uproar over race. There are sooooo few black characters, it is a little heartbreaking to have on changed into a different race. Sure there have been adaptations of Thor, Green Lantern and many other superheroes, but they have also been around for a loooong time. An adaptation at this point makes no difference. Another thing is that most characters are white, so changing a couple isn’t going to make a difference. Changing 10 out of a 100 makes a lot more impact that changing 10 out of 1000. Get it? I’m just glad he has an understanding of how the world his, but I hope the world takes a better look at how his culture is before making snap judgements. The best thing he could do is draw an adaptation of the character keeping it’s original form.

  118. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 7, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    Again, its very telling that you dont know facts, studies and a simple google search just to feel comfortable about the normality of your media which is favorable white media. People like you are all talk about equality but when it actually happens your the first to call un fairness to the one thats never had a chance in the first place.
    Ive seen this kind of mentality in children. When they finish with a toy, they aggressively want it back when someone else that dont have toys at all goes to pick it up.

  119. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 7, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    I’m stealing you analogy for future discussions with morons. I’m not sure whose worse at this point, tumblr kids or the idiots on this discussion thread.

  120. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 7, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    Wait a person learning something from an unfortunate event is bad now?

  121. Naki
    Naki
    April 7, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    i get where tumblrs coming from with black representation but seriously attacking the dude is not okay like damn pls calm yo shit

  122. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 7, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    Why should it be whiter?

  123. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 7, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    What a sane reply

  124. Phillip J. Frye
    Phillip J. Frye
    April 7, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    But with that said, there are too many underlying things at play to take this at face value and say “oh, its just an alt version of a black character (the reverse we do all the time, to be fair) but when you live in a society where positive/cool/non- stereotypical fictional black characters are at a premium–and the prevalent self hate fed to us by the world nearly since birth (dark is ugly/straighten your hair/Kerry Washington’s skin–one of TVs biggest stars–being lightened for her VOGUE cover )…..yeah…we’re gonna be a little sensitive about our shit ….

    Long story short: YOU wouldn’t understand….and I don’t say it that way to insult.

  125. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 7, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    He lightened her skin and straightened her hair, he also made her lips thinner and nose pointier but that could be equated to art style differences. So he changed her quite a lot. Honestly if she wasn’t wearing the outfit and posing with those two I wouldn’t know who that was.

  126. Lee Cadena
    Lee Cadena
    April 7, 2015 at 11:45 pm

    Lmao that’s not a white girl…. everyone can clearly see that she’s a chonga lmao just draw in some hoop earrings and some dark lipstick and look at her little chicken head friends getting turned (can’t spell turnt my auto correct says smh lmao) UP before they go out to the club lmao people see what they want to see isn’t that why people like art. Doy lmao

  127. Jimmy Volksrae Sanders
    Jimmy Volksrae Sanders
    April 7, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    How are THOR and CAPTAIN AMERICA hardly represented? 2 of the most popular comic book characters in HISTORY are definitely more represented than some cartoon network character someone drew on tumblr smh

  128. Gamer Mania
    Gamer Mania
    April 7, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    Garnet was even black to begin with… she was red skinned, same with how Pearl is White and Amethyst is purple They’re suppose to match their colours and elements they’re named after.

  129. Phillip J. Frye
    Phillip J. Frye
    April 7, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    Last time I checked Captain America is a MANTLE and NUMEROUS ppl have worn it (Bucky, Rick Jones, Hawkeye) Why is it an issue if a black character does? Last time I checked: Steve Rogers himself was still white…

  130. Ediomo Ndon
    Ediomo Ndon
    April 8, 2015 at 12:07 am

    It is about representation. Remaking Thor into a female or a gay Green Lantern gives a marginalized group a representation in pop culture that they can be proud of. However, when it is done in reverse then thats where issues may arise. If remaking a white character into a Black one (Annie for example) then a group who has been for lack of a better term been relatively blackballed in society/pop culture a point of representation that they can be proud of. However in this case taking a seemingly Black character (I admit that I haven’t seen this show to know, just going off this article) then its taking one of few points of representation out of a media and pop culture that is overwhelmingly and obviously eurocentric and white. Thats what I think

  131. Morningstar
    Morningstar
    April 8, 2015 at 12:21 am

    I Think he has a DA page, you can give him that message there

  132. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    April 8, 2015 at 12:30 am

    Oh god really? It’s fanart for cryin’ out loud. People make changes to characters all the time so it suits their style more and it’s not like there’s a requirement that it has too be 100% accurate all the time.

  133. Siveon
    Siveon
    April 8, 2015 at 12:32 am

    …They do know the character is actually, reddish purple, right? They’re aliens, Garnet never was – or will be, black. Arguing over a fucking hue in a goddamn picture is the most pointless thing I could ever imagine.

    I’m ashamed to even call this news.

  134. Gamer Mania
    Gamer Mania
    April 8, 2015 at 12:34 am

    Pretty much racism.. oh wait, it can’t be racism because she’s “white” according to racists…

    She wasn’t even black to begin with, she’s red to match the colour of her gem.

  135. Stephen Michael McDowell
    Stephen Michael McDowell
    April 8, 2015 at 12:42 am

    there are ppl on the comment thread spittin shit abt how garnet isnt black, shes the color of her gem but all anyone needs to do is google ‘garnet steven universe cosplay’ & theyll get a quick reality check on who relates to the character most

  136. draconian139
    draconian139
    April 8, 2015 at 12:42 am

    Its fanart, people freak out over the most inconsequential things these days. Want to talk privilege? Privilege is having such a high quality of life that you get triggered by a recolor of a cartoon character in a fan drawing that isn’t trying to impact the actual show at all.

  137. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 8, 2015 at 12:45 am

    Thing is that this character isn’t even black. Or anything. She’s a space rock and all characters like her are colored after the jewel they’re based off. In her case, she’s a garnet which is typically red-ish.

    I also feel weird about the idea of being proud of a character that’s basically ripped from another. Female Thor for example is basically riding off Thor. Why not be proud of someone like Storm who was always a woman to begin with? It’s not that I don’t get your point of course. I just can’t feel like I can agree with it. No disrespect meant either.

    I’m asian by the way for whatever that’s worth and one representation for my country in videogames is a sentient wooden training dummy. I’m entirely serious about that.

  138. Hale
    Hale
    April 8, 2015 at 1:12 am

    I’m shocked the whole of the Tumblr SJW crowd wasn’t equally outraged that Amethyst is depicted with a slightly slimmer build than her canon chubby one. They’d usually jump at the chance to add something like fat-shaming to a growing litany of “problematic” elements they find an “offensive” piece of work.

  139. Jurie
    Jurie
    April 8, 2015 at 1:12 am

    Tell that to Dumblr Fucks tho.
    It doesn’t matter how much common sense you try to push on the discussion, there will be always some meaningless detail that will enrage that hivemind of sociopaths.

  140. Lester Paredes
    Lester Paredes
    April 8, 2015 at 1:20 am

    No one’s lost anything. The only way something would have been lost is if the show decided to take Garnet and make her white. Only then would something have been lost. Only then do you and everyone else, gain the right to raise a fuss.
    This is fan art, and as such, can reflect what the artist wants. Whatever the artist wants. That’s the best thing about art: it has no boundaries. The artist could have made them all men, and it would have been 100% in their right to do so. The problem is that people are spewing their venom and calling it criticism and/or social justice, when it’s anything but.
    There are a myriad of different ways to display characters and a myriad of ways to depict black people. Would you bitch if a white person cosplayed as Garnet? Would you bitch if a black person cosplayed as Batman? No, you wouldn’t. You would see their version of the character, the version they were able to bring to life. And nothing more.

  141. Jurie
    Jurie
    April 8, 2015 at 1:21 am

    Tumblr be like “BWAAAAA-WAAAAAH THEY DIDN’T ADD MY HEADCANON OF AUTISTIC-TRANS-GEMKIN-MULTIPLESYSTEMS GARNET -even though none of that is canon and I’m just projecting some sick fetish of mine on a fictional character that doesn’t belong to me, nor does that piece of fanart since I’m just that talentless and whiny- WAAAAAAAH! THEY MUST DIE, THE WORLD MUST CATER TO ALL MY DEMANDS!!!!!11!!”

  142. UnMAnU (ウンマヌ)
    UnMAnU (ウンマヌ)
    April 8, 2015 at 1:22 am

    What about Amethyst (on the right): she’s rotund but not on this artwork anymore. See, let me be clear about this: the characters on Steven Universe are clearly designed to dispel out conventions about what beauty really is, and IMO all of the 3 female leads are beautiful beings in no need of stereotypical embellishment (Pearl is missing her large nose as well). I am not here to further bash the author of this artwork… as naive as he is, focusing on the black chick tells more about our prejudices than about his standards of beauty, which I find tragically sad.

  143. Sir Colbor the Third
    Sir Colbor the Third
    April 8, 2015 at 2:01 am

    I’m glad that Japan doesn’t give a shit about Tumblr’s “WAA WAA I AM SO SPECHUL ABLOOBLOOBLOO” bullshit.

  144. Nobodywinsinaninternetfight
    Nobodywinsinaninternetfight
    April 8, 2015 at 2:03 am

    I’m not gonna lie, she looks cute like that.

  145. Lauren Hawkins
    Lauren Hawkins
    April 8, 2015 at 2:14 am

    PEOPLE NEED TO STOP ASSIGNING ETHNICITIES AND RACE TO CHARACTERS. GARNET IS NOT BLACK. SHE’S A ROCK. SHE IS LITERALLY A ROCK. ALL THE GEMS ARE LITERALLY SENTIENT ROCKS. AMETHYST IS NOT A LATINO GIRL, SHE IS A PURPLE ROCK, AND HAS PURPLE SKIN. GARNET IS A RED ROCK AND HAS RED SKIN.

    seriously, why do people find a need to define and invent definitions and opinions on shows when there is already a canon out there? it’s like they are trying to come up with ways to get insulted.
    I feel so sorry that the artist had to deal with this shit, people accusing him of white washing when he was obviously using the color of their stones.

    i dont see ANYONE complaining about the fact that her palm stones are wrong, because her left hand [our right] is supposed to be a square not a triangle.

  146. Dezire
    Dezire
    April 8, 2015 at 2:22 am

    Well, he’s Japanese – I can’t get mad at him for his fanart. I think its cute. But, I would like to point out – regardless of them not being human or what have you…Garnett is a black character. Her voice actress is black ffs…there is diversity in this fucking show and don’t act like there isn’t.

  147. Dezire
    Dezire
    April 8, 2015 at 2:25 am

    African culture – black shit

    You should really watch what the hell you’re saying.

  148. Lauren Hawkins
    Lauren Hawkins
    April 8, 2015 at 2:26 am

    i’m sorry but the voice actor does not define the character’s story. She is not black, she is a genderless ROCK with a strong independent personality made up of two smaller genderless rocks who love each other dearly. neither of them is black, and neither is garnet. there ARE black characters in the show, as well as hispanics and white folk, but the gems aren’t any of those, they are gems–making them univerally relatable as characters. People impressing ethnicity on them is extremely offensive to the character, the character designers, and other viewers.

  149. Dony
    Dony
    April 8, 2015 at 2:27 am

    Except Garnet’s not black. She’s technically a purple shade, not to mention her genetics aren’t African American. Get your shit together Tumblr.

  150. Dezire
    Dezire
    April 8, 2015 at 2:27 am

    She’s a black character, no matter how hard you try to erase that. She has a goddamn afro, her skin is dark, and her voice actress is black. Just stop it.

  151. Guest
    Guest
    April 8, 2015 at 2:30 am

    “Basically an Asian person couldn’t not just see a movie because there are no Asians because they would end up just not watching any movies lol.”

    While I completely agree with your main point, you picked the worst example to support your argument. It’s like you’ve never seen a HK martial arts film or a tokusatsu before. Japan, Korea, and China all have their own thriving movie industries catered to their peoples. Just because Hollywood has the biggest budgets and the most exports, doesn’t mean they’re the only ones making movies.

  152. landlock
    landlock
    April 8, 2015 at 2:39 am

    Was there such a big up roar when they changed the color of Kingpin, Nick Fury, The Musketeers ,Django, the upcoming Magnificent Seven?

  153. dakaptin
    dakaptin
    April 8, 2015 at 3:03 am

    I’m sorry, but as a black person, I have a hard time understanding how any of this is the least bit offensive. Garnet’s not even HUMAN, let alone of any sort of African descent. Besides, this is unofficial fanart of an American cartoon character by a Japanese artist. The artist has the freedom to do whatever the hell they wish with their artwork whether you like it or not, and the fact is that a Japanese person would have as much of an understanding of American social issues as an American would have of Japanese social issues. If you feel completely justified bringing “justice” to someone that has no understanding of American culture and social issues, you might want to re-evaluate your priorities.

    Long story short: there are far greater issues in the world than a Japanese artist’s depiction of a cartoon character, and there’s no reason to be so sensitive about something that isn’t even “yours” to begin with.

  154. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 8, 2015 at 3:41 am

    Oh you poor victim of the white american patriarchy, it seems you have internalized the racism of the oppressive society all around you.
    Do not worry, the white women of tumblr will protect your feelings for you!

  155. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 8, 2015 at 3:41 am

    Actually they could. I myself am Asian. I totally could and I prefer tokusatsu over most western movies. I still need to catch up with Kamen Rider Drive as soon as I’m done with Agito. Haven’t had much time for either though. Then there are the Garo movies. I’ve also been interested in checking out the Battle of Red Cliffs movie.

    Of course movies and television is/are a different industry. I was talking about video games and why we usually see white male leads in western games.

  156. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 8, 2015 at 3:58 am

    Only black people wear afros.
    Only black people have dark skin (let’s ignore the people with brown skin like the ones in the middle east or south east Asia, or the native Americans who had red-ish skin which is actually closer to what this character has).
    Black people can only voice black characters.

    Your logic is flawless.

  157. nonon jakuzure
    nonon jakuzure
    April 8, 2015 at 4:10 am

    damnit that’s bloody fanart.
    ya know FANart.
    no one should feel bad for making fanart.ever.

  158. Zizal
    Zizal
    April 8, 2015 at 4:13 am

    To show that he doesn’t give a shit about the cry babies and shut them up.

  159. Canopus Walf
    Canopus Walf
    April 8, 2015 at 4:18 am

    If it causes him to second guess his artistic expression, then yes, it’s bad.

  160. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 8, 2015 at 4:34 am

    I was talking major movies. Blockbusters like Avengers. While martial arts films are popular in this country beyond Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan most Asian actors remain unknown and are hardly shown in mainstream movies. So no Asians were a perfect example. Plus I was talking about the U.S. Obviously China and Japan and Korea have thriving movie industries and I never suggested that Hollywood is all that matters.

  161. Karina Boneheart
    Karina Boneheart
    April 8, 2015 at 4:39 am

    Fucking assholes should feel lucky someone this talented even made this for them. A kid’s show non-the less.

  162. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 8, 2015 at 4:41 am

    Like I commented below I was referring to mainstream movies. Perhaps I should have been more clear. I agree that in some ways Asian films and shows have been received well by Americans, there is a fear in the industry that a lot of material from Asia is too foreign. And while I’m not as familiar with the gaming industry as I am with the movie industry, I’m sure this fear exists to a much smaller degree. It’s sort of why certain features from certain games are altered to adhere to western standards.

  163. Skyler Nici Crisis
    Skyler Nici Crisis
    April 8, 2015 at 4:43 am

    I totally agree!
    I’m an artist myself and I find myself doing similar stuff, like Gashi-Gashi has done here.
    Also, even IF he had known about American social and culture issues, it would still be in his full right to draw his fanart however he likes.
    Because it’s FANART! It’s not like the people who originally created the character are going to change it, just because an artist made some fanart of their character.
    A lot of people are ridiculously sensitive about such things today. Unnecessarily so.

  164. Zac B.
    Zac B.
    April 8, 2015 at 4:45 am

    Tumblr, take your contrived social justice warrior rhetoric, and shove it.

  165. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 8, 2015 at 4:50 am

    Are you an artist? I am and I question my artist expression constantly. That’s what helps me to grow. If I didn’t I’d never move beyond as I’d never question what I’m trying to express. If this artist is so petty as to let criticism stop him from growing that his own damn fault. Criticism is to be expected. People won’t always get your work. But it is necessary to grow and figure out who you are as an artist.

  166. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 8, 2015 at 4:51 am

    That’s stupid and petty but if he wanted to do that then he’s should.

  167. nitefyre410
    nitefyre410
    April 8, 2015 at 5:02 am

    Firstly, she is not “Black” she is a woman made of garnet. Secondly, even if she was black ,there people who are light skinned and don’t have afro’s, So not only are they wrong for attacking this guy, they are wrong x2 for imposing “Their” notion of what “Blackness” is on him, If Black people were offended we are more than capable of speaking up for ourselves. To the artist, I just say, no harm, no foul. Its his art and its a cool drawing.

  168. Zizal
    Zizal
    April 8, 2015 at 5:03 am

    Not really. What should he do?Apologize for nothing he done wrong.These type of people never get pleased. If you do what they want they will attack more artists. Best way is to let them know their place.

  169. Bradley Steven Merritt
    Bradley Steven Merritt
    April 8, 2015 at 5:19 am

    Im assuming by characters that are hardly represented she meant female, and minority leading heroes.

  170. Bradley Steven Merritt
    Bradley Steven Merritt
    April 8, 2015 at 5:26 am

    Its an awesome fan art. Half the people upset about it are only upset because they were told they should be upset, and otherwise wouldnt have given the picture a second glance. They arent changing the actual character its just a simple, and awesome fan drawing. Cant we find something more offensive than this to be angry about?

  171. Leondrore Liption
    Leondrore Liption
    April 8, 2015 at 6:18 am

    Fanart. Not actual changing like the female Thor and gay GL.
    Also, this person is an artist. Meaning they understand the concept of LIGHTING. THE FACT SHE’S CLOSEST TO THE LIGHT AND THAT SHINE MAKES HER SKIN TONE APPEAR LIGHTER?
    Fucking Tumblr is filled with absolutely nothing but pieces of shit.

  172. greenghost2008
    greenghost2008
    April 8, 2015 at 6:43 am

    Japanese people are white skinned. He made all three characters into Japanese people, not europeans.

  173. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    April 8, 2015 at 7:03 am

    The issue is the hypocrisy of it all, complaining when a dark skinned character is depicted as light but not the opposite.

  174. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 8, 2015 at 7:08 am

    It’s a bad idea to apply standards in one industry to another based on an assumption.

    And those alterations are usually not well received especially when it comes to localization of foreign games. At best the majority of positive reactions would be along the lines of “I’ll take it if it means it gets localized at all” rather than “yes, I like this change because it caters to my sensibilities”. Everything else is complaints for making the change at all.

  175. Dakota Smith
    Dakota Smith
    April 8, 2015 at 8:01 am

    This makes no sense people need to realize it’s fan art. Meaning he can do as he pleases, its not about what others think its about what you think.

  176. Panboy
    Panboy
    April 8, 2015 at 8:08 am

    Well what they are learning is most likely that people of the west are crazy insane and he shouldn’t bother with them.

  177. Suzanne Snover
    Suzanne Snover
    April 8, 2015 at 8:17 am

    I can’t believe he’s getting all this flak. I can see what he means by if he did do Garnet’s skin color the way it is in the show, she would stick out like a sore thumb, and make the drawing feel different. And it’s not THAT big a jump, she’s still a dark hue, she’s just not as dark as she appears in the show. It’s called FAN ART for a reason, he just wanted to make something in tribute to Steven Universe. Sheesh, everyone is flipping out over nothing, I mean this art is lovely, and I really love the take on making her afro big, but straight. It’s a lovely piece of fan art. I think eveyone needs to calm the fuck down.

  178. Violet Gray
    Violet Gray
    April 8, 2015 at 8:38 am

    Here’s why people are angry:

    When you are a person of color, particularly of African descent, good characters who look like you can be hard to come by. The same is not true of white people. This is why making a black character white is not the same as vice versa. We can afford to have a black Captain America because there’s no shortage of white male protagonists.

    Also, it’s very telling that the artist’s idea of making the character more awesome is to make her less black. This happens a lot too. The actresses who played Storm from X men and Rue from Hunger Games were both half white. In the upcoming movie Jem and the holograms the particularly dark-skinned black character will be played by a biracial actress. Can you think of a white character in the last 45 years that was played by a half black actress? The only on ever I think was Eartha Kitt as Catwoman in the 60’s!

    Bottom line is if you’re white then you’ve never had to deal with this, and it’ll be harder for you to understand.

  179. Siveon
    Siveon
    April 8, 2015 at 9:11 am

    What a load. The character is red, and people are getting pissy over someone drawing the character as a lighter tone of red.

    Cry me a river and get over it.

  180. Lilith
    Lilith
    April 8, 2015 at 9:12 am

    Garnet’s skin is red….and now you know…………………….cause knowing is half the battle.

  181. Violet Gray
    Violet Gray
    April 8, 2015 at 9:25 am

    Well he lightened her skin and straightened her hair, so if Garnet is not black then she was apparently too close to it for the artist’s liking.

  182. Caio Pontes
    Caio Pontes
    April 8, 2015 at 9:58 am

    And you people are so stupid lel kekerinos

  183. Nicholas Quin Harris
    Nicholas Quin Harris
    April 8, 2015 at 10:03 am

    I like when SJWs are like “This is offensive to black people.” and none of them are even black….

  184. RubyLuvCow
    RubyLuvCow
    April 8, 2015 at 10:07 am

    Exactly but i feel we should speak about the greatest injustice in this picture……the fact that Pearl’s nose is not nearly pointy enough! As a bird myself i feel that shrinking Bird mom Pearl’s nose is an affront to my representation in this cartoon and as such all of gachi’s works should be struck from the internet and he should never be allowed to draw again!

    Now if you will excuse me I must go to a protest at Cadbury USA as they are still depicting Easter candies as EGGS!!1! CAW CAW!

  185. mach5motorsport
    mach5motorsport
    April 8, 2015 at 10:15 am

    Ah the knee-jerk outrage of the social justice mafia strikes again…get over it people.

  186. Brandon David Greenham
    Brandon David Greenham
    April 8, 2015 at 11:18 am

    Cractivist translation: I’m a special snowflake with misplaced intentions. Give me attention.

  187. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 8, 2015 at 11:31 am

    She’s an iconic character, especially the hair color. It would be like changing the girl in the Wendy’s logo to be a black haired asian girl. After all, she’s just a character, right?

  188. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    April 8, 2015 at 11:39 am

    None taken.

  189. dehhh
    dehhh
    April 8, 2015 at 11:43 am

    She’s not even African American.. She’s an Alien.

  190. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    April 8, 2015 at 11:46 am

    Damn, Tumblr people are racist.

  191. Charlton Christian
    Charlton Christian
    April 8, 2015 at 11:48 am

    No one complains that White characters are made Black? I think the critics of CBM says differently.

  192. Charlton Christian
    Charlton Christian
    April 8, 2015 at 11:52 am

    No one complains that White characters are made Black? I think the critics of CBM says differently.a

  193. Charlton Christian
    Charlton Christian
    April 8, 2015 at 11:53 am

    How about keeping characters “as is”?

  194. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 8, 2015 at 12:16 pm

    Why are you mad at me? The point is the hypocrisy. Tumblr didn’t complain about that.

  195. Lester Paredes
    Lester Paredes
    April 8, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    Because art is subjective, and as such, no two people will view the same piece in the same way or produce a piece of art that looks the same. They can wear the same clothes (as if often the case in comic books), but the artist’s rendition will always be different. That’s why Jim Lee’s Batman will always look different from Ed McGuinnes’ Batman.

  196. Dez Cain
    Dez Cain
    April 8, 2015 at 12:51 pm

    I never looked at the actual characters until just now, I’m black, and I don’t find this offensive. Lol I see the difference but its nothing to cry about. Took away the afro and dark skin, so fucking what? Its fan art. I don’t see why this is so viral

  197. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    It seems to me like the only underlying thing at play here is the extreme insecurity of a select handful of Tumblrites hypocritically lashing out at fan art, which is meant to be a reinterpretation of the original artwork under the lenses of the fan with no boundaries set. They also seem to completely not understand the cultural differences between Japan and the west, especially since fanart there is so important that it spawned an entirely business model that revolves around it in the form of doujinshi, which has a large portion of it done as reinterpretations of pre-existent works / characters.

    “the reverse we do all the time, to be fair”

    Hypocritical, like I said.

    “but when you live in a society where positive/cool/non- stereotypical fictional black characters are at a premium”

    Perhaps people would be more sympathetic at creating more black or any other minorities in artworks if a rabid crowd that demands art to be changed should it slightly deviate from the One True Path weren’t constantly hounding them.

    “and the prevalent self hate fed to us by the world nearly since birth
    (dark is ugly/straighten your hair/Kerry Washington’s skin–one of TVs
    biggest stars–being lightened for her VOGUE cover )”

    Little bit of advice here? Pick your battles more intelligently. Always charging at the nearest windmill only makes you all look like quixotic jokes to the world at large, and will only hurt your cause in the long run. For an example of why, check the picture attached, and switch “female” for “black character”.

    “our shit”

    Nothing here is “yours”. This african american from outer space you are defending is not your property, nor does the reinterpretation done by the poor japanese artist belongs to you. Just because I’m latino, I don’t hold a monopoly in dictating how art depicting latinos should be.

    Long story short – get off your high horse.

  198. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    So, you are saying that, somehow, this piece of fanart made by a japanese artist is somehow integral to the representation of black people in art…?

    What’s next – start complaining that Japan makes too many characters with a clearly niponic origin?

  199. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 1:20 pm

    “Privilege”. A word usually uttered by people in a first world country that have nothing important left to fight for, so they start bitching about cartoons.

    Check your privilege, first worlder. I hear gunshots almost all damn nights from the favela next to my home, some from military grade weapons. I can’t leave home after 9 p.m. because even the police avoids the place at that time. Minimum wage here is less than $250, and most live with exactly that, and we work 1/4 of the year just to pay taxes. You wanna talk privilege? Let’s talk about fucking privilege.

  200. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    Fan art is meant as a reinterpretation of the artwork. The fanart, believe it or not, has no bearing on how the actual character is depicted on the actual show.

    Contrary to what SJWs would like you to believe, Garnet continues being an afro american from outer space in the cartoon.

  201. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    Japanese politeness might be at play as well.

  202. Nicki J
    Nicki J
    April 8, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    Yasss…

  203. Cassandra Eden
    Cassandra Eden
    April 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    This is RIDICULOUS. Spider-man was changed from White to mexican. NOBODY SAID: RACIST! The population haven’t brain within the head. I hate when the black people invade our DNA character traditions.

  204. TVpro
    TVpro
    April 8, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    if anyone read the artist coments EVER
    than they would know she wasnt made that much lighter as her colors ware the result of the actual lighting in the drawing. so this is just stupid

  205. AnJanay
    AnJanay
    April 8, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    The gems on her hands are fucking glowing, are they not? Maybe that’s why her fucking hands are light. I swear to fucking god some people are short-sighted and quite frankly, retarded.

  206. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 8, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    yes. or at least, that is the concept. garnet is clearly a role model for black youth: her voice actor is black, her character design is reminiscent of african american culture, and her skin tone looks black. it doesn’t matter if it’s to “match her gem”, it doesnt change the fact that garnet is representation for black people, a group of people that is severely underrepresented in america. white males don’t suffer from under-representation, which is why representation isn’t an issue when you change them.

    now, whether you should bother pestering a random fan artist from japan who isnt aware of american culture is another matter. no one should be a dick. but it is worth discussing these things from time to time. proper representation is important!

  207. SoundOfRainOnTheRoof
    SoundOfRainOnTheRoof
    April 8, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    How many death threats were made because of Nick Fury being black?

  208. DMJ
    DMJ
    April 8, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    Except it isn’t hypocritical. They didn’t turn steve roger black nor did the make thor a woman. A black man and a female took over those mantles in a story. There is a huge difference than say redrawing a character’s skin and hair. That being said I dont think this one pic was worth going crazy over but people need to really stop with these false equivalence

  209. Beryl
    Beryl
    April 8, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    Honestly such a pain when people go all SJW on artists for making just a little change to the character. Garnet isn’t even technically black with being a Crystal Gem (her skin’s like a dark reddish colour) even though I love that she may have been intended to be the Gem equivalent of a black character by having such dark skin. And her hair? The style makes it look like nothing more than a square! Sure it looks like an afro in the show, but has anyone SEEN what she looked like in the original pilot? Her hair was totally different! It looked more long and straight, less square.
    And back on the skin subject, while I understand why whitewashing as a way of erasing POC characters is a really huge pain, why is it when it comes to fan interpretations people are fine with fans drawing darker-skinned versions of white characters and lose their heads over something like this? People are trying to make everything seem offensive when it was really just the artist adding their own bloody interpretation.

  210. DMJ
    DMJ
    April 8, 2015 at 2:40 pm

    I just think it is odd that Garnet would be lightened from her dark shade while amethyst is the same color she would usually be. But I don’t feel anyone has the right to tell an artist what their art should look like, same goes for writers. I just think it is an okay piece and move on with life.

  211. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 8, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    Everyone is reacting over nothing here. this picture only has about 6,400 notes on tumblr, and out of that, only a tiny percentage (less than 1%) of those even provides any commentary on it.

    Of those, a lot are just “this is great” comments.
    Some of them are simply asking “why is garnet’s skin white?” and nothing else.
    Some of them are upset that the drawing is too sexualized for a children’s show.
    Some are actually angry about the race of the character, making a lot of claims about how terrible of a person Gashi is.
    And the rest are people shouting down everyone else.

    The problem here is that a lot of people have taken this far too fucking seriously. Gashi isn’t racist or trying to be antiblack. But the social justice warrior warriors have lept on this like a goddamn tick. There have been more comments in this tiny comment section alone than there were people complaining about Garnet’s white skin. As far as I can tell, you’ve cherry picked the opinion of a dozen people out of 6,000 and decided it was the opinion of “tumblr”, and made more hay about it than there ever was on the original photo.

    Don’t you guys hold the artist to the same standards you do “SJW”s? If your complaint is that they’re too “sensitive”, shouldn’t the artist be able to handle a handful of teenagers overreacting? (And to Gashi’s credit, they did handle it well.)

    The number of comments is going to continue to skyrocket, but it’s not
    about the picture anymore. Both “social justice warriors” and “social
    justice warrior” warriors just want to have the same conversation about
    race or other minorities. Here, I’ll have it:

    SJW: minorities are under-represented, so i need to be extra vigilant and overreact to every single incident!!
    SJWW: whaaaat why can you change a white character black but can’t change a black character white??
    SJW: because white people have plenty of representation, and black people have very little! ps you should burn and die
    SJWW: but artistic freedom!! why is no one paying attention to MY needs??

    I believe representation matters. Minorities are under-represented a huge amount in American media, and the facts show that. Clearly some of the outrage to this picture is an overreaction to the issue. But this kind of thing only reaches this level of discussion because people who hate “SJWs” are more than happy to pour gas on this fucker if it means they get to argue about this shit.

  212. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 8, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    Well I never claimed these alterations are good (after all I sat through Dragon Ball Evolution…) I was just explaining the reasoning behind it. I definitely agree with you on how the changes are received however there is always going to be a distinction between what the industry, regardless of what it is, wants and what the fans want. And I’m not assuming about the fear, it’s pretty well documented and it applies to foreign films in general. I just used Asian films as an example but this fear of “will Americans understand/ appreciate this” is a question often asked.

  213. Chiminy
    Chiminy
    April 8, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    Hmm I wonder what Rebecca Sugar’s reaction would be to this…

  214. MashingShoryuken
    MashingShoryuken
    April 8, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    that is the worst pic to illustrate your point

  215. ThePringus
    ThePringus
    April 8, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    The duck does sjw stand for?, its all over these comments and I’m clueless

  216. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 8, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    People that use the term “first world country” has no right or opinion that is valid enough to judge others that question social standards. You need to read up on why saying “first world country” is not only the thing of the past but perpetuate stereotypes.

  217. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 8, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    Its just shows ignorance (looking at his quotes he is massively ignorant to the world beyond his). You learn or you just deal and shut yourself out from the rest of the world.
    btw, this is fan art NOT his art the freedom to judge his work on already existing characters is completely valid

  218. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 8, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    did you not read what I said. The point of the movie was to adopt more red heads so for the movie to carry out its tradition, starring a little black girl which is the least to be represented today in media is the icon.

  219. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 8, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    I like when people associate “justice” as if its an insult. OMG you are a super hero, how bad of you to try and save people

  220. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 8, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    every girl that felt this character at an emotional state (BECAUSE they are close to never ever noticed as being existent in this world alone) lost their security. So yeah, lots of girls and fans lost something, you cant tell them how to feel they will tell you, but you have chosen to ignore it. As long as you know this lets leave it off there.

  221. kidrekoj
    kidrekoj
    April 8, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    People on Tumblr do not understand art. If they are getting mad at that pick it should be the other way around with this one. it’s a japanese character with her skin and lighting.

  222. Turbotastic
    Turbotastic
    April 8, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    Article: TUMBLR SAID SOME HORRIBLE THINGS!
    Reader: Oh yeah? Like what? Can you quote them?
    Article: THERE’S NO TIME JUST TRUST ME TUMBLR IS EVIL I HAVE PROOF
    Reader: Can you post that proof? Can you post anything that isn’t an opinion from the artist or his friends?
    Article: NO THAT WOULD BE BIASED.

  223. Turbotastic
    Turbotastic
    April 8, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    The female Thor is a completely different character from the male one. It’s not the same thing as changing an existing character’s color. Male Thor is still around.
    Plus, you know, female Thor is an official character, and this is fanart that has no affect on the show at all.

  224. randel55
    randel55
    April 8, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    Alien American* you racist!

  225. Turbotastic
    Turbotastic
    April 8, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    Um, I think you’ll find that most western main characters have ALWAYS been white males. This isn’t a new thing that started when Tumblr came along.

  226. Owlish
    Owlish
    April 8, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    But Thor, at least the REAL Thor, is a man and always was, always will be. Maybe if it’s another superhero named Thor, but if the character is meant to be the Norse mythological figure then making him a woman is just WEIRD.

  227. Owlish
    Owlish
    April 8, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    I honestly never got the female dilemma, or any other distinction. As a (amateur) writer I just write characters. I don’t have to do anything different to write a man or a women. Why do people always act like it’s so damn hard?

  228. Canopus Walf
    Canopus Walf
    April 8, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    Wow, just trawling for some easy internet points, are we?

    There’s a huge difference between questioning *your own* work and fearing reprisal from an internet hate mob that might target you for using the wrong skin color, or not “discriminating positively.”

    That line was said as he was apologizing for something that needed no apology. His “I’ll learn from this” was in direct reference to being naive to identity politics nonsense.

    This is a petty argument, don’t bother me again.

  229. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    Its impossible to write a character up to the standards of SJWs that doesnt end up being a blank slate.

  230. Canopus Walf
    Canopus Walf
    April 8, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    There’s a huge difference between questioning *your own* work and fearing reprisal from an internet hate mob that might target you for using the wrong skin color, or not “discriminating positively.”

    You seem to using the “learning is always good” adage, but in this instance I am worried about what a person from a different culture is going to learn from this.

    As that doujin artist said: “The worst pattern that comes from this is: drawing a black character
    brings all kinds of criticism. It makes you stop doing that entirely,”

  231. Damien Chall
    Damien Chall
    April 8, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    blacks are over represented in america for only being 10% of the population.

  232. Damien Chall
    Damien Chall
    April 8, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    i dont care if you think there is not enough representation of blacks you make up 10% of the us population you are over represented as it is

  233. Anthony Wolfman Russell
    Anthony Wolfman Russell
    April 8, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    How so?

  234. Rosco Tana
    Rosco Tana
    April 8, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    I hate people that have to go on the attack about someone’s interpretation of something. Sorry but Garnet is black, Pearl has white hair, and Amethyst is fat. But even knowing that, I can enjoy and appreciate this piece that he made as his own idea of it. It’s lovely artwork and I commend him for being so brave.

  235. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 8, 2015 at 6:10 pm

    Statistics? First of all, the black population is more like 13%, and let’s look at movies: 70% of movies had a percentage of black characters below 13%.

    Next, look at cartoons. Just looking at Cartoon Network, there are almost no cartoons with a black person as the lead character in their entire list of cartoons. Definitely not 13%.

  236. Lester Paredes
    Lester Paredes
    April 8, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    If they lost whatever connection they had to Garnet over one, singular, non-affiliated, non canon fan art image, that doesn’t meet their preconceived notions of what Garnet is and what she represents, then their connection was tenuous at best, non-existent at worst.

  237. Damien Chall
    Damien Chall
    April 8, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    let us look at sports let us look at music let us look at news media shall we continue

  238. Damien Chall
    Damien Chall
    April 8, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    actually if you understand facts they only need to be in 13% of movies

  239. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 8, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    But in sports, almost no black people own any sports teams. In music, black people are highly underrepresented at the Grammys compared to the amount of money black acts make. And are you seriously suggesting that everything is okay because blacks are overrepresented in other areas? Sure sounds like “separate but equal” to me.

    And were we talking about that stuff? No, we’re talking about a TV show.

    And…You’re wrong about news media, actually: “In 2007, the percent of blacks, Latinos, Asians and Native Americans working in America’s daily newsrooms stood at 13.62 percent, a slight decline over the previous year, according to ASNE’s annual newsroom census. Those groups represent 33 percent of the nation’s population.”

  240. Dr_Diddles
    Dr_Diddles
    April 8, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    Why do you think black people make up a large part of the music industry and professional sports?

  241. Daniel
    Daniel
    April 8, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    I think it looks amazing. Great job! Love from America very much!

  242. Animelover0808
    Animelover0808
    April 8, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    I am offended and understands at the
    same time for this type of problems with Asian animation culture.
    There are some dark colored animated characters, however they don’t
    show it as much. (Barely) Um, what I think about Asian animation is
    that, it is originated from Asian countries, so they based on their
    perspective through their culture without people outside of their
    country. I personally do not think it is a bad things, but I just
    hope that they (Asian countries) open their view on other countries
    and take in their culture to make it more global. This kind of things
    happened before, for example anime is originally from japan. Japan
    shut down/done a check up for illegal anime site, because they did
    not want other people to take credit that they do not own. Including
    people who makes subs and dubs. However, this was lifted few weeks
    ago. There are pros and cons about this, and if I was to fix this
    problem, I would use my knowledge of different cultures to the
    unsatisfied people who believe it is wrong to use only white skinned
    characters and I would also want to limit people who makes subs and
    dubs, because some do not do their jobs correctly. If you have any
    problems of what I stated here, please be free to response. However,
    I would ignore and not reply who ever insults in immature ways, I
    want a mature response to my statement.

  243. Kenny Young
    Kenny Young
    April 8, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    Stop trying make me judge everything off of looks like how people look at Micheal Jackson, the voice actor for Cleveland brown from family guy is white . She’s a fusion gem.

  244. biovixy
    biovixy
    April 8, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    it stands for social justice warrior

  245. Alexandra Quindel
    Alexandra Quindel
    April 8, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    yes there is no such thing as the Boondocks, Mike Tyson, Cleveland show, Teen Titans…no black cartoon Characters what so ever. How about we look outside the skin color box and appreciate art for what it is and people for who they are based on the content of their character. How is that for statistics…

  246. DMJ
    DMJ
    April 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    Except the Real Thor looks and acts nothing like the Marvel comics version which people rarely bring up. Not to mention that all the woman did was wield the hammer while the main character is incapable of doing it thus inheriting the powers of thor.

  247. Crizzyeyes
    Crizzyeyes
    April 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    You are a poisonous human being. Your literally skin-deep idea of representation is what causes racism to persist. Please stop it. The United States of America was so much better when it was a “melting pot,” before the advent of UN-backed “multiculturalism.”

  248. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 8, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    No one said there are zero black cartoons, but the number of them is not near representative. representation is important. What you see in the media helps shape your image of society, and underrepresenting black people hurts black children. Leave your hollow MLK quote back at the country club.

    You cannot argue with math. If one group is over or underrepresented across a large enough sample space, then there’s a very high chance that theres a reason why. If we were just going on the “content of character”, then we would have proper representation. But since we don’t, it’s clear that race plays a role, leaving one group with and the other without. and when that happens, you need to help the group without.

  249. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    It’s funny because apparently you missed entirely my sarcasm that was aimed at the gross (but intended) reducionism SJWs like you do on the whole “privilege” thing. You take things out of context to exacerbate an aspect that will make your narrative stronger, but you conveniently let out the parts that would weaken it (like how SJWs rail on gender, race etc but conveniently never dare to put wealth and class in the equation, possibly because that might put them right in that group).

    “just go educate yourself”

    The mark of an SJW. Make an argument or don’t say anything. Make your case or don’t even bother.

  250. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    I hear this a lot – in gaming, for example. But my question is: what is the quota we need to abide to when it comes to female representation? Is it necessary to have a 50/50 split? Is it dependant on “social privilege”? Is it dependant on how many female creators exist in said industry? Is it dependant on target demographic?

  251. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 8, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    Black culture is a thing, and Garnet is clearly drawn to represent it. I didn’t say anything about an accent or afro.

    Hmm before multiculturalism. .. Oh you mean the US during Jim Crow? If I recall things were terrible For black people then. Lynching was surprisingly common. You want to go back to that huh?

  252. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    “No one said there are zero black cartoons, but the number of them is not near representative. representation is important.”

    What is the adequate quota for this? And should all cartoons etc seek to have representatives of all minority groups due to the importance this has on society? If not, how can you deem one single cartoon that chose not to do that to shoulder the blame for the entire situation?

    “If one group is over or underrepresented across a large enough sample
    space, then there’s a very high chance that theres a reason why.”

    Sure, but that doesn’t mean anyone is keeping any minority down. Take gaming as an example. It’s costumary for certain elements to loudly ask for more female representation, but they don’t take into account things like the percentage of female game devs in the industry (last I saw, it was around 20%, but since I have no source dont quote me on that – it is safe to assume there are many more male game devs, though) or the target demographic of something. To suppose there is an agenda by the media to “keep the minorities down” sounds a bit far-fetched to me. These companies are more often than not motivated by financial reasons, as all a company usually wants is a big, fat wad of cash at the end of the day, and I doubt they care if that money comes from black people, white people, men, women etc.

    If the representation is so important, and there are more than 0 cartoons with black characters, shouldn’t all those that deem this very important flock in droves towards those and rise their viewership to the top? After all, with little choice, they would have to go to one of the few alternatives, so this particular demographic wouldnt be spread all over. If that happened, would the companies not notice this and make more of it? If the opposite happened, would they not seek for other ways of monetizing their content?

    Also, if this is so important, why havent people done campaigns to congratulate those who have done this well instead of shaming those that decided, through their own artistic freedom, to deviate from this expectation of a certain group? I’m sure this would also have a lot more effect than anything else.

  253. Michieie
    Michieie
    April 8, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    I dunno if Gashi-Gashi is reading this but I hope this explain things better.

    We’re having a problem here in the west were everything is sexist, racist, etc. Everything. Whatever you do, say, or just as much like will be met with scrituny and you have to walk on egg shels or else you’ll be one of those things. To make matters worse you can’t even alege innocence, you’re guilty of it until proven otherswise.

    These people on Tumblr are just high-middle class girls that never had any hardships in their lives and think everything revolves around them and that they’re more “illuminated” than the rest, feeling superior and berating anyone that so much as dares to oppose their ideas. They pretend to be open to other people and cultures, but they unironically believe the world works like America and if it doesn’t then it’s a backwards hell (it comes as a no surprise that a lot of Tumblr hates Japan).

    Right now gaming is having this sort of problem. They want to change the clothes of Cindy from FFXV because it’s too “sexualized” and push a female character into the main party because “not enough women”. That’s not okay, artists should be free to work and express their vision.

    So don’t apologize for your work. I love the skin, and I love the hair.

  254. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    This is part of the reason why many japanese people simply give on westerns altogether.

    Those are 2 incredibly different culture, and when westerns as a whole are judged by the rabid tumblrinas, they see our culture as extremely intolerant and aggressive, and understandably want nothing to do with it.

    That someone would be lambasted for fanart, for instance, is such a ludicrous notion that they couldnt even process the noise amidst the namecalling.

  255. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    “muh feelings” is a terrible way of being taken seriously in any sort of critique (if we can even call it that – we can’t).

  256. Michieie
    Michieie
    April 8, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    Gross.

  257. Michieie
    Michieie
    April 8, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    I have news for you.

    I’m Latina. Brown enough to pass off as black.

    I don’t care about being represented. I’d rather not, if that pic above of Sailor Moon is what people consider “representation”.

    I’ll stick with the sterotype that Colombians are all drug lords. At least there’s some true in that.

  258. Fem Jiraiya
    Fem Jiraiya
    April 8, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    I think it’s racist to throw race around. I’m sure someone of some ethnicity will find that racist too. You want people to stop being racist? Then, don’t throw your race in someone’s face every time they mention a color. It was an innocent piece of fan art that people blew out of proportion. The artist obviously wasn’t thinking of it as black, red, white, green, whatever. He was thinking of a character he liked. Why does it have to be about a race? Why can’t it just be a piece of fan art drawn by an artist who saw the character a different way? Let me guess, someone’s going to sue Crayola for using the color “black” because that’s racist, right? Or how about a “white” crayon? Ridiculous world we live in.

  259. Rada Rada
    Rada Rada
    April 8, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    She’s pink…..
    i’m Caucasian. I run in the summer and i stay in doors during the winter. Through all my skin pigment changes, I’ve never looked like that…..

    Everyone is stupid but me.
    This art is beautiful and i aspire to be that good some day.

  260. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 8, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    The assumption that I was referring to was that gamers and movie-goers have the same standards. Gamers don’t care about race or gender or else Assassin’s Creed and Metroid as examples would have never taken off as well as they have. Gamers care about if the game is fun. That’s all.

  261. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 8, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    Actually, I was referring to this basic idea with regards to the current landscape where people are asking for more diversity while the big studios continue to prefer playing it safe with white males:

    http://imgur.com/gallery/gzTILP2

  262. HikaruT
    HikaruT
    April 8, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    actually, I hate to tell you but, well…

    you’re wrong.

    you remind me of those racist kids who tries not to be racist by siding with the African American population in hopes that no one figures out you actually hate their guts.

    I seriously hope that’s not what this turns out to be. Not like I had any respect for you anyway based on your ignorant outlook on “african american culture”.

  263. Ajimu Omega
    Ajimu Omega
    April 8, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    “Its just shows ignorance (looking at his quotes he is massively ignorant to the world beyond his). You learn or you just deal and shut yourself out from the rest of the world.”

    Soooooo what are the social issues in Japan?

  264. HikaruT
    HikaruT
    April 8, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    In sports, most of the players in every team is African American or at least some parts African American. This is entirely true for sports like Football and Basketball. There are also a good number of African Americans in baseball and even soccer. Music wise: Grammys? Underrepresented? Seriously? I’ve yet to see a Grammy’s in my 21 years where a black person didn’t win something or wasn’t nominated for anything.

    Now, about the news stuff: You might be right. I never took the time to care about news media. They’re all corrupt anyway.

  265. HikaruT
    HikaruT
    April 8, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    Okay, so, let’s just make this as clear as humanly possible.

    Garnet is not black. She was confirmed as an alien by the creators themselves. Yes, she has an afro. Yes, she has a black voice actress. That does not mean Garnet, herself, is black. Her skin colour is darkened because it matches her gem. Just like her other two comrades.

    Stop making this a fucking issue. She doesn’t even represent black people. I’d seriously be offended if I were an African American and I heard Garnet represented the black culture of today. She’s nothing like that, nor will she ever be.

  266. Chel Sea
    Chel Sea
    April 8, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    Lol reminds me of when I said I wanted to see a male gem besides Steven in the show and a few people started sounding off on me because the character sexuality of the gems are binary. They call the gems he/she/mother on the show soo…yeah.
    Petty as fuck as usual. -_- justice bloggers (if that’s what they are trying to be) are annoying as hell sometimes. They’ll freak over minor stuff.

  267. Raiyenn
    Raiyenn
    April 8, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    While I’m very much for the representation of other races, I think the response was a little harsh. The creator had no ill-intentions, and agreed that perhaps it wasn’t the best decision and came out of naivety… so i think it’s a little overkill. Besides that, nobody deserves to be treated like that, regardless of what mistakes they made.

    Education > Shaming. End of story. I’d like to see this artist do another with Garnet having her original skin, but i don’t think that the response they recieved was at all justified.

  268. Raiyenn
    Raiyenn
    April 8, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    Just because it isn’t important to you, doesn’t mean it isn’t to OTHERS. You’re one person. There are many many others out there.

    Remember when Annie was portrayed as black?? I remember a story of a little girl, who was so excited to see Annie… “she looks like me!!”.
    Does representation still not matter??

    Children grow up, seeing these characters…these characters that are supposed to be great people and what we should strive to be. Don’t even tell me that even as a kid, you didn’t see a character and want to be just like them. It’s natural.
    But they never ever see characters who look like them. Even when there are black characters, more often than not they’re in side roles, rather than the main character. And that’s not good. in addition, that sailor moon picture isn’t so much representation as many others are. It’s taking a character that was designed as white and making it black. Representation is about ACTUAL black characters. Characters that were written, designed, and created as BLACK. Not slightly changing the skin tone. Shows like Steven Universe, OITNB, and others that have in depth, well written characters…that’s representation. And it matters, because it can help to shape the image that young children form of themselves.

  269. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 8, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    i think you’re confused. The picture on this page is fanart, and people are complaining that it doesn’t represent the actual character: http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Garnet

  270. Ted Morales
    Ted Morales
    April 8, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    But…the character isn’t even black. The three characters are “gems”. There is no Earth race labeling them.

  271. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 8, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    I think you have a lot of misconceptions of my position, which would explain a lot of where we disagree.

    First, I don’t think there should be a “quota”. People often react like this when this topic comes up, imagining I want some kind of central authority to enforce equality across the board and ignore quality. Of course not. But it IS an important thing to measure. Like I said, if everything were in fact equal, you’d expect to see more equal representation. The fact that you don’t says something is off, and it also is harmful in and of itself: representation is important for kids growing up. So it’s especially important in shows meant for kids. All I’m saying is that when we notice these inequalities, it’s more likely than not that race got involved somewhere in the process, and that’s the part that I think should be corrected.

    I don’t think that a single cartoon should be blamed for these things. But the fact is, as a whole, there is an issue. Now, I’m not sure where in this conversation I blamed a single cartoon for all the racial injustice in America — maybe you could remind me?

    And yes — if a cartoon is being created, and being a white person or a male isn’t necessary to the story or character design, why not make the character black? or Indian? or Hispanic? or a woman? It does no damage to the quality of the product and helps improve the situation

    Second, I don’t imagine there to be a conspiracy to “keep people down”. There could be any number of reasons minorities aren’t being represented, and frankly, they’re all irrelevant to this conversation. This conversation is about how whitewashing characters is worse than turning white characters into POCs. And the only reason I gave was because representation is important, and black characters are underrepresented. We can talk about why black writers, artists, and characters are underrepresented. But I never made a claim that it was some kind of agenda. I only said that it’s something that should be improved.

    Also, you’re waaaaay off on the 20%. Women are actually in the majority of gamers now.

    Third, representation is important precisely because minorities don’t have the viewing power that the majority does. When what you watch on TV is determined solely by viewership, minorities can start to feel like foreigners in their own country.

  272. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 8, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    “But it IS an important thing to measure. Like I said, if everything were in fact equal, you’d expect to see more equal representation. The fact that you don’t says something is off, and it also is harmful in and of itself: representation is important for kids growing up. So it’s especially important in shows meant for kids. All I’m saying is that when we notice these inequalities, it’s more likely than not that race got involved somewhere in the process, and that’s the part that I think should be corrected.”

    Okay, but here is the thing. We are talking about mediums that aren’t simply tools made to shape kids into something. It’s an entertainment medium – meant to entertain, and, from the side of the companies, to make a profit. So, if the way things are the companies are making a buck and the kids are having fun, I find this weakens the argument that this “must change or else” that some people put forward (may or may not be you). Also, it is not impossible for kids of a certain race, nationality etc to like or even prefer characters that differ from their background (I won’t say how common this is, though, as I have no data to back any quantification).

    Now, my problem with all of this is that you have people rabidly shouting down at artists and trying to erase their artistic freedom to “fix” this perceived problem. This bruteforce method – which sidesteps completely any discussion over the nuances of the entire “problem” – is something I simply cannot agree with, which is why I openly denounce it.

    This is a multi-angled discussion. You have the artistic freedom, representation issue, free market and possibly other angles to consider. Perhaps the issue is as important (or more) than you are saying. Perhaps it is an overreaction as I am saying. Discussion could find common ground. Shouting mobs from Tumblr, however, want absolutely no discussion – and the fact that they latched onto FAN ART shows their true colors to everyone.

    “I don’t think that a single cartoon should be blamed for these things. But the fact is, as a whole, there is an issue. Now, I’m not sure where in this conversation I blamed a single cartoon for all the racial injustice in America — maybe you could remind me?”

    If a single cartoon is not to be blamed for this as a whole, then how can you justify going after them individually, to the point of going after derivative art creators?

    “And yes — if a cartoon is being created, and being a white person or a male isn’t necessary to the story or character design, why not make the character black? or Indian? or Hispanic? or a woman? It does no damage to the quality of the product and helps improve the situation”

    If representation, to you, means simply switching the color of a character but maintaining all his previous traits untouched, then what is the point? Is that all that defines a character – their skin color, damned be the rest?

    There was a game where people complained there was no option to have a female character. It was a roguelike, forgot the name. The devs got tired of people whining and added a new gender (female), while making no change to anything, not even the sprites (which depicted males). Is this the kind of representation you seek?

    “Second, I don’t imagine there to be a conspiracy to “keep people down”. There could be any number of reasons minorities aren’t being represented, and frankly, they’re all irrelevant to this conversation. This conversation is about how whitewashing characters is worse than turning white characters into POCs. And the only reason I gave was because representation is important, and black characters are underrepresented. We can talk about why black writers, artists, and characters are underrepresented. But I never made a claim that it was some kind of agenda. I only said that it’s something that should be improved.”

    Frankly, I would be 100% WITH you if the character in the show was suddenly changed to any other color. I think consistency is important. I think respect to the source material is important. But for fan art…? That has absolutely no bearing on pretty much anything? I can’t see how black people are being kept down by this action from a japanese artist.

    “Also, you’re waaaaay off on the 20%. Women are actually in the majority of gamers now.”

    I was mentioning female game DEVS. However, I know the studies you are talking about, and you are not taking into account the genre where they are allocated. Women are the majority in casual and puzzle type of games, typically the ones you find in the mobile ecosphere. Male gamers are still the majority in core and hardcore games, and are the great money spenders in the industry. Did you know that ME had only a pitiful 18% – and this is Bioware, that is proud to be at the vanguard of representation, progressiveness and whatever other buzzwords they may like to throw around: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/07/19/bioware-says-18-percent-of-mass-effect-players-choose-female-shepard.aspx

    The actual studies showing the percentage of male / female gamers is at my home PC (on laptop, during vacation), but I can google around if you wanna see it. Since it is a bit off topic, I’ll leave it up to you. But my point is – no one cares about the genders of the Candy Crush sweets or if the Angry Birds are male or female.

    “Third, representation is important precisely because minorities don’t have the viewing power that the majority does. When what you watch on TV is determined solely by viewership, minorities can start to feel like foreigners in their own country.”

    At which point should content creators be punished into creating one thing or the other that might go against their creative freedom and/or their target demographic studies in favor of the general population? And in that case, how do we distribute the burden equally? A discussion could be had on this aspect, but I’d rather have it ourside of Tumblr, where feels > facts.

    Myself, I prefer actions of incentive instead of destructive actions like witch hunts. Starting a debate outside of a hugbox about this is a positive action. Groups of people sending e-mails / actual letters of support for shows that conform to those standards is a positive action. Campaigns to purchase in block the DVDs / BDs once they are out to send a message (maybe on amazon, where you get ranking of sales) is a positive action. Starting a campaign to allow grants or tax deductions to be had on content that has certain of those elements that are not widely common is a more or less positive action (I have reservations about those, as it can promote tokenism and low quality works).

    Tumblr, however, is a force of destruction, and ironically this only makes people hate and resist them harder.

  273. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 9, 2015 at 12:06 am

    Oh I wasn’t talking about the assumptions of the gamers but rather the game and movie makers. Gamers care about all sorts of things. I’m a gamer myself. Gamers definitely care about race and gender though as people care about those issues and people game lol There are all sorts of issues in games that smarter people than me discuss. While fun and creative are on the top of my personal list when I go look for new games I do notice the glaring issues with in them. They are still enjoyable and engaging regardless. Most of the time at least. Still I wont speak for all gamers because even in my small circle of friends there is a ton of opinions.

  274. Holyfox25
    Holyfox25
    April 9, 2015 at 12:10 am

    Doctors, nurses, firefighters, hell even lawyers and judges save and/or give justice to people.
    You? You and your ilk are complaining about something from the safety of your computer about non-commercial fan-art that is not important and a minor inconvenience at best.

    You are saving nothing but your ego. Don’t ever compare yourself to real justice because that is just laughable.

    Also, your fish tank analogy makes no sense. You are comparing something that is physical and has inventory to something that was digitally reproduced and created. It would be actually like I took a fish from your tank, copied it, and gave you back the original, and did whatever I wanted to my copy.

  275. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 9, 2015 at 12:11 am

    Guess we were just talking about different things then. From the industries to the involved parties.

  276. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 9, 2015 at 12:14 am

    There are a lot of other venues for exhibitin art other than tumblr. What is everyones obsession with tumblr? Lol. And anyone stupid enough to judge an entire culture based on tumblr is…well dumb as fuck. There are a ton of non tumblr related reasons to criticize America. I’m sure this guy isn’t so childish to see this event as a reason to dislike America. that’s like if I have a bad experience with a person in Nebraska and decided to shun the entire state. It’s not that serious, at least I don’t think so.

  277. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 9, 2015 at 12:14 am

    Is it? I didn’t notice.

  278. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 9, 2015 at 12:15 am

    Okay I won’t bother you again random person on the internet. Lmao!

  279. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 9, 2015 at 12:17 am

    I guess so, but thanks for the discussion!

  280. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 9, 2015 at 12:22 am

    It was a really pointless discussion in hindsight of we were rarely on the same page though.

  281. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 9, 2015 at 12:31 am

    I like when people don’t understand that the justice in social justice warrior is meant in as sarcastic a way as is possible.

    You’re not fighting for justice or saving anyone by complaining about pointless things like the shading in fan made drawings of a cartoon. Don’t even kid yourself.

  282. Last Gary
    Last Gary
    April 9, 2015 at 12:53 am

    What black character?

  283. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 9, 2015 at 1:20 am

    The problem is the perpetual outrage machine that comes from the west raging loudly at every single perceived slight. I say Tumblr, but the problem hardly comes exclusively from there.

    Japanese artists and game devs already have a sort of insular mentality, so when the feedback they get out of something is people shouting to take it down, might as well just skip it entirely and release it only domestically. Or self censor yourself so you wont have the mob knocking at your door, like when Square changes character clothing because of “muh feels” in the west.

  284. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 9, 2015 at 4:45 am

    So…you just ignored what I said.

  285. RabidCat M
    RabidCat M
    April 9, 2015 at 7:33 am

    Seeing as how I’ve seen COUNTLESS artists on Tumblr draw white characters as black characters, I think they need to let this one go and stop exposing their overwhelmingly fanatic stupidity.
    – A Tumblr user

  286. Raylen Greer
    Raylen Greer
    April 9, 2015 at 9:02 am

    I honestly dont see anything wrong with the picture. I’m a huge Steven universe fan and I actually like this picture.

  287. Alexandra Quindel
    Alexandra Quindel
    April 9, 2015 at 9:51 am

    First of all I do not belong to a country club, that is a sad remark, We are all people that is it. I happen to live by the beliefs preached by Martin Luther King. I treat people equally. I do not care about skin color. On the flip side I believe some people are just looking for “racism” where ever they can dig for it. It did not even cross this guys mind I promise that, like you said he is from Japan. I can argue with your math, however there are a limited number of shows on Cartoon network. I listed multiple shows and did not even include shows on in the past. For those attacking this artist, I bet if an African Artist did their impression there would be zero Japanese people in it. We live in a country, where the richest woman in the world is black, America made that. Yes there are still ignorant people, but I sure do not want to live in a world where when I create art in any form I want to figure out the percentage of Albino Mexicans so I can make a correct representation. When I draw that does not even cross my mind, because I am not race obsessed. I draw people from different races, even different animals. A world all the same is a very boring place. I do appreciate what you were trying to say as I agree that attacking an artist from Japan is completely ignorant. I also believe there needs to be more positive black role models. I mean the cartoons that are put out there like Mike Tyson, The Boondocks, The Cleveland Show are hardly role model material. I would back you up on that any time, however I am not the person to create and pitch a cartoon like that. I also hope and pray that possibly someone out there will.

  288. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 9, 2015 at 10:54 am

    where did anyone say anything about a petition? people objected to an obscure piece of fan art that offended their sensibilities, similar to how people here are objecting to an obscure article about events that offended their sensibilities.

    people dont want to have a character who represents a marginalized population removed from their favorite story. that is offensive. making a classic superhero gay or black is exploring possibilities the creator did not consider. turning a black character white is not exploring a possibility, it’s reinforcing the status quo.

  289. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 9, 2015 at 11:01 am

    This “outrage” represented about a dozen Tumblr users. I think most people had let it go before people made a big deal about the “outrage”.

  290. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 9, 2015 at 11:46 am

    1) It is an entertainment media, but entertainment media is super important for defining a culture, from the Iliad to Frozen. It’s obviously not impossible for kids to like or even identify with a character that looks different than them. It’s a ridiculous notion otherwise. But having a character that looks like you is important, because it sends a message that people that look like you are included in society. It’s not anywhere near what defines a character — but that visual is important too! I lived in Japan for 2 years, and it becomes apparent to you how much you don’t look like most people. It’s something that I think most people don’t understand simply because they’ve never experienced being the odd one out in their own society.

    The larger point in this whole conversation is that black characters are pretty rare, so that makes it more important that Garnet is meant to be a black character.

    2) I’m only defending the importance of Garnet as a black character in Steven Universe. My thoughts on this fan art are in a different comment thread. To sum up: it’s not a big deal, but I don’t think the “outrage” is representative of most people, and I hate that this is being used as an excuse to argue that black representation s not important.

    3) Pointless differences between “casual” and “hardcore” games aside, a UK poll showed that “grown women spend just as much money on console games as men”. I haven’t found any statistics on the actual amount of money spent by men on games, but all the research I see is that women probably are a hell of a lot closer than you think in terms of dollars spent. Point is, though, that representation isn’t about games, it’s about the stories told in games that have stories.

    4) The number of people creating stuff is huge. We have no lack of people creating things. No one is going to be punished. The doomsday scenario that every panicked SJWW (social justice warrior warrior) dreams up is a slave culture where brilliant artists are thrown to the curb because they’re not a minority. That’s not going to happen.

    I recently had to help cast actors for a show I was a part of, and we made sure that the cast was diverse in gender and race. But it didn’t affect the quality of what we got: we weren’t turning down better actors for worse ones just because it met our diversity goals. We auditioned so many actors that it didn’t matter. The fact is that minorities and women are being underrepresented in so many parts of society, and therefore there must be a a number of reasons for it. But it’s very difficult to figure out what those reasons are — from actual racism to unconscious cultural habits. The simple way around that is to simply keep diversity in mind when making decisions.

    In the future, when hopefully the concept of “race” disappears entirely, and men and women finally get equal cultural footing, we can stop this. But the statistics show that this isn’t the time yet.

    And see my other post as far as this fan art piece goes: I don’t think this fan art business is anything more than a dozen people overreacting. Sure, you see those people on Tumblr, but I don’t think the “backlash” was representative of the majority of users at all.

  291. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 9, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    So let’s again consider the standards that reinforces. For sports– black men can perform for the profit of their white male team owners. Professional athletics does not have enough power or space to support the whole black community. Black people create most of our music (both directly and in originating genres that white people get rich with) but at the Grammies, black genres are not televised, black performers are panned in favor of white ones… “a black person” each year is a very low standard for an industry that was built on their backs.

  292. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 9, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    there’s still so monopoly lol , its so funny how ppl act like poc ASKING for respect is demanding artists make everything a certain way… look at that youtube comment for a minute (blows my mind youre using an mra yt comment as an argument but w/e)… companies underrepresent women because they don’t know how to create female characters that will be received well… the problem is not women as a group, it’s the companies that arent willing to support women in the face of the overwhelming misogyny… the problem is the group of people that have been systemically priveleged, ALWAYS… women, black people, theyre not responsible for “earning” representation

  293. Moose_Master
    Moose_Master
    April 9, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    I guarantee since the beginning of time people have complained about something. Not only is this not something unique to the west but I’m sure similar uproars happen in Japan. Frankly I’m one for letting people voice their complaints because the alternative of just putting up with what you don’t feel is right is scary. Granted i don’t see the big deal every time nor do I condone people acting psychotic (such as the mob mentality that takes place) however people are entitled to their opinions. Now if you create a product that the audience doesn’t want of course they will have to fix something. After all, listening to your audience is important in selling a product. Either way I think this whole age of outrage thing people are talking about doesn’t exist. While I see the occasional flare up its usually extremist vs extremist yelling at the other while everyone else is agreeing to disagree like adults. The way I see it is there are things I feel strongly about and things I don’t care about and I figure everyone else is the same. Also sorry for the essay I just realized how long this is lol

  294. OhLeo
    OhLeo
    April 9, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    I’m just going to add my two cents and say it is an american crowd having an issue on a japanese drawing of a cartoon. Americans want to have control over everything and have their problems imposed over the rest of the world. Problems that some cultures just DO NOT HAVE. The japanese artist has never have to face race issues that’s why he saw no problem on adding some of his own flavor to the cartoon. It wasn’t bad intentioned, but people just LOVE to pin point others and make them feel bad over something they never even faced. He learned a lesson with this, NEVER try to please the crowd, otherwise you will be left without limbs nor eyes.

    Maybe he should’ve respected the original, MAYBE so that people could talk about how boring it looks and how unoriginal it feels and throw him under the rug. I seriously hope the artist doesn’t get discouraged by this because he seems talented.

  295. Juhata
    Juhata
    April 9, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    I think it’s better than saying ‘these useless crybabies that ruin everything for everyone and that are useful only for wasting our precious oxygen’
    Feels nicer and keeps people from going to the hospital for being massively triggered by some asshole online – oh right, my mistake, a cyber-terrorist that furthers the soggynist status quo by literally raping people online.

  296. me
    me
    April 9, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    Hey, letting you know. suicide sometimes is an option. You may want to try it.

  297. Lord Pigeon
    Lord Pigeon
    April 9, 2015 at 6:02 pm

    I’m gonna bet my penis and an eyeball that the people complaining are as white as the Voca People.

  298. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 9, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    If you dont care about something, its quite easy to dismiss any outrage surrounding it. I care about this as I see it for what it is – an attack on the autonomy creators have to create.

  299. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 9, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    How is that FAN ART disrespecting you?

    “blows my mind youre using an mra yt comment as an argument but w/e”

    Can you explain without the buzzwords and address the actual content of the comment?

    ” companies underrepresent women because they don’t know how to create female characters that will be received well…”

    Could be it, yeah. Kind of hard to make women that will be well received when they must be both 100% perfect human beings but still believable.

    ” the problem is not women as a group, it’s the companies that arent
    willing to support women in the face of the overwhelming misogyny.”

    More buzzwords. Explain where is this misogyny you speak of. Burden of proof is on you.

    “the problem is the group of people that have been systemically priveleged”

    Does your concept of privilege takes into consideration class and wealth? How important is it? What is privilege for you?

    “women, black people, theyre not responsible for “earning” representation”

    You don’t get to dictate what other people make.

  300. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 9, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    “1) It is an entertainment media, but entertainment media is super important for defining a culture, from the Iliad to Frozen. It’s obviously not impossible for kids to like or even identify with a character that looks different than them. It’s a ridiculous notion otherwise. But having a character that looks like you is important, because it sends a message that people that look like you are included in society. It’s not anywhere near what defines a character — but that visual is important too! I lived in Japan for 2 years, and it becomes apparent to you how much you don’t look like most people. It’s something that I think most people don’t understand simply because they’ve never experienced being the odd one out in their own society.

    The larger point in this whole conversation is that black characters are pretty rare, so that makes it more important that Garnet is meant to be a black character.”

    Is it important? Sure. But how important? Quantifying this is fundamental if you wish to have this conversation. Also, like I said before,m I agree that Garnet should remain an afro american alien – IN HER SHOW. Not because of gender quotas or anything, but because I think continuity, respect for the source material etc are important, especially to the fans.

    “2) I’m only defending the importance of Garnet as a black character in Steven Universe. My thoughts on this fan art are in a different comment thread. To sum up: it’s not a big deal, but I don’t think the “outrage” is representative of most people, and I hate that this is being used as an excuse to argue that black representation s not important.”

    Agreed.

    “3) Pointless differences between “casual” and “hardcore” games aside, a UK poll showed that “grown women spend just as much money on console games as men”. I haven’t found any statistics on the actual amount of money spent by men on games, but all the research I see is that women probably are a hell of a lot closer than you think in terms of dollars spent. Point is, though, that representation isn’t about games, it’s about the stories told in games that have stories.”

    I don’t think this is pointless at all. Target demographics are extremely important in a discussion about representation and profitability. If most women flock towards puzzle, Hidden Object or mobile games, then that is an important factor in defining the strategy of a certain game company. I never said that in a derrogatory way – there is no problem in being a casual or not participating in gaming culture. If someone wants to only play match 3 games (like my mother), why not? It doesn’t, however, make sense to use her in a statistic about “female gamers in gaming” tying this up with an argument that women are underepresented in core and hardcore games.

    I’m doing my best at not going deep into this subject because it is OT and I know we will end up on a huge comment chain (especially since I get chatty on gaming related matters), but if you still want to discuss this in more detail, then I will.

    “) The number of people creating stuff is huge. We have no lack of people creating things. No one is going to be punished. The doomsday scenario that every panicked SJWW (social justice warrior warrior) dreams up is a slave culture where brilliant artists are thrown to the curb because they’re not a minority. That’s not going to happen.

    I recently had to help cast actors for a show I was a part of, and we made sure that the cast was diverse in gender and race. But it didn’t affect the quality of what we got: we weren’t turning down better actors for worse ones just because it met our diversity goals. We auditioned so many actors that it didn’t matter. The fact is that minorities and women are being underrepresented in so many parts of society, and therefore there must be a a number of reasons for it. But it’s very difficult to figure out what those reasons are — from actual racism to unconscious cultural habits. The simple way around that is to simply keep diversity in mind when making decisions.

    In the future, when hopefully the concept of “race” disappears entirely, and men and women finally get equal cultural footing, we can stop this. But the statistics show that this isn’t the time yet.

    And see my other post as far as this fan art piece goes: I don’t think this fan art business is anything more than a dozen people overreacting. Sure, you see those people on Tumblr, but I don’t think the “backlash” was representative of the majority of users at all.”

    We let this fringe run wild with their crazy antics for too long, so I do think there is merit in proclaiming these SJWs do not speak for us. A lot of people already self censor themselves in, for instance, gaming, and I don’t find a stretch to imagine the same happens on different mediums.

    Also, one of the problems I see is that the people championing this kind of thing are more akin to selective iconoclasts than actually being worried about discussion regarding how to solve the problem. I gave you some made up on the spot ideas, for example. Why not go for that angle instead?

    “But it didn’t affect the quality of what we got: we weren’t turning down better actors for worse ones just because it met our diversity goals. We auditioned so many actors that it didn’t matter.”

    I disagree here. I think that people should be rewarded according to their merit instead of their skin color, nationality or gender. If this means you are hiring too many white and / or males, then, I think the best solution is to look at the foundations to solve the issue at its root. Is it a lack of access to education? Lack of funds for specialized training? Work on solving that, so that when these minorities reach the market, they are competitive enough to stand without any sort of beneficient bias towards them.

    Also, you said “it didn’t affect the quality” – but how can you be sure if you never saw the result of it if you had not given a leeway to those people? Sure, you got quality, but maybe by adhering to merit alone you would get something even better. However, in your case, since this is acting, depending on the setting something like race might end up being important after all, I suppose.

    I hope no one will read this as a “OMG he hates minorities!” or anything (do I count as a minority as a latino?). I just think we need to be as objective as possible in our selection process as to avoid any sort of injustice, while, simultaneously, working to fix any sort of issues that causes imbalances at the top in the first place. However, I also acknowledge private companies can hire people based on whatever standards they want (within reason and according to the local law – I’m sure a “no blacks allowed” policy would be rightfully reviled and illegal), so if they wish to prioritize race/gender/etc over merit, let them. The market will decide if that was a sound strategy when they compete with a company that hired based on merit instead.

  301. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 9, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    “Just because it isn’t important to you, doesn’t mean it isn’t to OTHERS.
    You’re one person. There are many many others out there.”

    Right back at you. You don’t speak for the entire collective. You don’t speak for me (also brown latino, though brazillian in my case).

  302. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 9, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    “I think that people should be rewarded according to their merit instead of their skin color, nationality or gender.”

    I think you missed what I was saying: the people WERE rewarded for their merit. They were great in their audition. That’s my point: I don’t have to give up picking the best people for the job. I can have my cake and eat it too. See, I realize that the whole system has a bias against black people and women. So I don’t see what’s wrong in getting people who have merit AND help counter the institutional bias. You talked earlier about people who just discuss and don’t do anything. Making sure that your choices are diverse is one way you can actually change things.

    “I think the best solution is to look at the foundations to solve the issue at its root. Is it a lack of access to education? Lack of funds for specialized training?”

    It’s a chicken/egg situation because it’s a feedback loop: the more that minorities and women are shut out of media, or jobs, or whatever, the stronger that bias becomes. Breaking that bias where it matters actually helps change things.

    I know you want to stick to meritocratic principles, but I don’t see how there’s a problem until you can and do see white males being underrepresented. That may not happen in my lifetime.

    “Also, you said “it didn’t affect the quality” – but how can you be sure if you never saw the result of it if you had not given a leeway to those people?”

    Auditions and interviews are not perfect. People can have a bad day, or an exceptionally good day. You cannot make decisions based on “well what if they perform differently than their audition”, because there’s a chance that no matter who I pick, people are going to over or under-perform. Mathematically speaking, choosing the way I had did not disadvantage me.

    “However, in your case, since this is acting, depending on the setting something like race might end up being important after all, I suppose.”

    This was a big part of it, actually: diversity not only helps with representation, but it also helps with viewpoints. In the performing arts especially, it helps for every person to bring as many different perspectives as possible.

    “The market will decide if that was a sound strategy when they compete with a company that hired based on merit instead.”

    The market sucks. The market is slow. The market is susceptible to cultural biases — the market is the result of what everyone *believes*, after all. The market can have bias baked in — if everyone doing business is racist (an extreme example), the market will be racist. So yes, maybe someday a company will show the benefit of that. I believe the company I work for is such an example. But you cannot necessarily judge things based on their lack of existence in the marketplace.

  303. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    April 9, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    Hey guys just checking in to say that discourse is fine, but if I see any threats out there you’ll be getting a warning, if not a ban depending on the severity of it. I don’t like to police our comments, but I draw the line at threats.

  304. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    April 9, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    This was a petty response, I’m sorry. Consider this a warning – please don’t leave mindless and hateful comments like this.

  305. Lunatic Fringe
    Lunatic Fringe
    April 9, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    I don’t understand how they mad at this but they turning all the iconic suoerheros black.

  306. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 9, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    “I think you missed what I was saying: the people WERE rewarded for their merit. They were great in their audition. That’s my point: I don’t have to give up picking the best people for the job. I can have my cake and eat it too. See, I realize that the whole system has a bias against black people and women. So I don’t see what’s wrong in getting people who have merit AND help counter the institutional bias. You talked earlier about people who just discuss and don’t do anything. Making sure that your choices are diverse is one way you can actually change things.”

    They were great in the audition? Cool. Were they better than the non-minority alternative? If they were, then you didn’t really do anything beyond picking the best of the bunch. If they weren’t, then my point stands.

    “It’s a chicken/egg situation because it’s a feedback loop: the more that minorities and women are shut out of media, or jobs, or whatever, the stronger that bias becomes. Breaking that bias where it matters actually helps change things.

    I know you want to stick to meritocratic principles, but I don’t see how there’s a problem until you can and do see white males being underrepresented. That may not happen in my lifetime.”

    So, it is all about quota percentages, in the end. I see no feedback loop, frankly. If minorities are being kept outside as you claim because of a disadvantage at their education / training etc, then giving them these should allow them to compete equally with others. They will, in fact, be at an advantage as pre-existent discrimination laws will certainly weight in their favor should they still end up being shunned because of their racial traits or whatever else.

    “Auditions and interviews are not perfect. People can have a bad day, or an exceptionally good day. You cannot make decisions based on “well what if they perform differently than their audition”, because there’s a chance that no matter who I pick, people are going to over or under-perform. Mathematically speaking, choosing the way I had did not disadvantage me.”

    Of course that happens, but people going on an audition prepare beforehand to ensure they will be in not only a good mindset, but also in good health and able to perform freely to the best of their abilities. An audition is not unlike a competition, and while it does happen for a competitor to eventually be under the weather in that particular day, that is a lot less likely due to everything that is at stake – and I’d wager that anyone who truly wants the part would enter the fray with the same mindset. People bring their “A” game to those things, or at least strive to.

    Long term evaluation would be the best option, but that is simply impossible, and auditions (or job interviews) are the next best thing we have.

    With all that said, I still don’t believe you can categorically say that was the best option possible, though I concede you can definitely say it was a good option.

    “This was a big part of it, actually: diversity not only helps with representation, but it also helps with viewpoints. In the performing arts especially, it helps for every person to bring as many different perspectives as possible.”

    Which is definitely important, of course, even outside of acting, but don’t fall into the trappings of believing every white guy will be a carbon copy of each other. I think personal background is a lot more important in defining your viewpoints than racial heritage, and in this extremely globalized world, assumptions based on certain traits alone may end up being grossly misplaced.

    “The market sucks. The market is slow. The market is susceptible to cultural biases — the market is the result of what everyone *believes*, after all. The market can have bias baked in — if everyone doing business is racist (an extreme example), the market will be racist. So yes, maybe someday a company will show the benefit of that. I believe the company I work for is such an example. But you cannot necessarily judge things based on their lack of existence in the marketplace.”

    The market is a fickle mistress, of course, but ultimately, companies seek profit, and what I meant is that if this strategy of giving an extra advantage to minorities over merit is sound, then the company will prosper. If not, it will suffer for it. The market will ultimately decide, as all companies are hostages to it.

    Please, don’t discount the fact that, like I said, I am all for making minorities (including latinos! go, us!) be able to stand shoulder to shoulder against whatever majority that seems to be stealing their jobs etc. I just disagree on the methods, and I think this is something that needs to be carefully evaluated so we don’t end up in a worst state than before.

  307. Jurie
    Jurie
    April 10, 2015 at 12:10 am

    I’m sorry but as a “latina” (how I hate labels, I’m Chilean ok?) I grew up with nothing but just representation of Mexicans, black and white people on tv and look at it! I turned out just fine! Because I didn’t need any cartoon character to tell me that I’m worth it or that my nationality is as valid as any other, because my parents taught me that. Same with gay representation and all that shit. Hell in the 90’s there was a sea of gay jokes, and to this day, is still something controversial in my country… but guess who has a gf now… and I didn’t need any “representation” for that either, no fucking cartoon character to coddle me about “it’s okay to be gay” to help me figure it out. And you know why? Because I’m an independent human being who doesn’t need no helping hand coming from any gringo to feel like a person, hell I think all of my people think the same. But even so, is not that I really trust any north american to know how to represent us either. Just leave it like that. race doesn’t really matter. if you wanna represent culture, then do it, but don’t make it just a matter of skin. I’m pasty pale, and that doesn’t make me any less chilean, latina or whatever. (I feel a disturbance on my grammar and overall wording, sorry about that; it’s 2 am and I can’t think in English)

  308. Jurie
    Jurie
    April 10, 2015 at 12:24 am

    Not sure if bait but well…
    With that logic, then basically amethyst is Asian, because you know her VA is Asian… a-and she’s stocky and chubby… and has purple skin and white hair… yeeeah, pretty Asian to me.
    Seriously that was racist as fuck. YOU stop it. Stop spreading this nonsense. You’re not helping anybody.

  309. Slim
    Slim
    April 10, 2015 at 12:46 am

    I could understand the attack on the artist on tumblr because this is usually an occurrence Japanese idolize Western culture particularly European Anlgo American culture just look at the tag icons below this paragraph that is over a century of mental submissiveness after their defeat in World War 2

  310. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    April 10, 2015 at 7:02 am

    Considering the character in this Tumblr drawing is actually more of a red tone and is simply the color of rock rather than being straight up a black person, you could easily say the outrage is just as bull.

  311. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    April 10, 2015 at 7:03 am

    Why’s that? It took an existing character and made them a different race. Even if you claim it’s actually a different character, she’s meant to look exactly the same, even having blond hair.

  312. Michieie
    Michieie
    April 10, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    I know it’s fanart, what bothers me is that people’s attacking the artist in the name of muh repsentation when, if you ask around no one cares about being “represented”.

  313. Michieie
    Michieie
    April 10, 2015 at 8:24 pm

    >a little girl
    >saying that

    Today, in “shit that didn’t happen”.

  314. Damien Chall
    Damien Chall
    April 10, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    anti intellectualism within the black community

  315. Damien Chall
    Damien Chall
    April 10, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    so who cares if they own it they are represented in it. I also do not care if someone is represented. shit my story is not represented do i whine about it no i do not.

  316. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 10, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    Easy for you to say, seeing as there’s plenty of representation for you out there. But I also know you’re an asshole just from reading your comment history, too.

  317. Dr_Diddles
    Dr_Diddles
    April 10, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    I think you’re wrong in prescribing their large presence on the fields to anti intellectual ism. If that was the case, this would be observable in other strongly superstitious and new cultures.

  318. Damien Chall
    Damien Chall
    April 10, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    but that is the reason they do not go for engineering degrees vs trying to all become producers or rappers or go for sports. The culture within the community values those.

  319. Dr_Diddles
    Dr_Diddles
    April 10, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    I once again wouldn’t prescribe that to anti intellectualism. There is likely cultural a significance in musicianship and sports in African American communities because of the influence the people in those fields had there. The same can be said of other small cultures such as native Americans.

  320. Damien Chall
    Damien Chall
    April 10, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    natives also tend to be anti intellectual except in a specific way towards specific things. Blacks used to be more intellectual Martin Luthor King. Malcom X were far more about using brains then the follow up in black society.

  321. Dr_Diddles
    Dr_Diddles
    April 11, 2015 at 2:02 am

    Saying Martin Luther King and Malcom X were examples of black America is like saying Thomas Jefferson and Douglas Adams were reflection of budding america. They do not reflect the average intellect of their time. They are outliers and are standouts in history because so. I can easily get you a list of black people who are just as intelligent and are alive right now.

  322. Warsie
    Warsie
    April 11, 2015 at 2:53 am

    Chileans are mainly white….

  323. Warsie
    Warsie
    April 11, 2015 at 2:55 am

    The United States volunteered to do that. they could have not accepted iimmigrants instead but oh look who will settle the frontier then…….
    ..nott to mention the US was the strongest pressure for a UN when it was first founded

  324. airman4
    airman4
    April 11, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    “I bet if an African Artist did their impression there would be zero Japanese people in it”

    I’m an african artist drawing a comic book , there is a japanese heroine in the bunch of my heroines (+ an indonesian girl also )
    example page
    http://k-hermann.deviantart.com/art/Red-like-hell-page-20-522298227?q=gallery%3AK-hermann&qo=3
    Character in pink (we dont see her well but still )

    People are not that simple (luckily )
    It’s not that white people draw only white or mostly white that any other artist are like that too

  325. Nikoran
    Nikoran
    April 12, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    It seems that Tumblr is totally okay with people changing white characters into black characters but they aren’t okay with it being in reverse. I really don’t understand why people get mad at fanart of all things.

  326. Thomas Zell
    Thomas Zell
    April 12, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    In modern times, at least for a small and very privileged portion of society, disagreeable things said over the internet are seen as personal attacks. The idea is that for many people, the internet is the primary, and very nearly the only method of interpersonal communication. People cannot harm each other over the internet, or physically touch others, but are still able to express disdain and to hurt peoples feelings. Many privileged people of the younger generation are so unused to physical communication, that they react to harsh disagreement online the way one would react to similar condition in person, thy literally consider online harassment to be the same as physical assault, since they will never become the victim of physical assault despite the fact that they regularly say really stupid things that would normally inspire otherwise rational people to punch them in the face.

    There are many examples of young people who were raised online and never faced any real hardship to view personal disagreements as personal attacks, since they never experience personal attacks for real and yet, by their animal instincts they know they are supposed to receive them at some point. This article is an example of a result of this culture.

  327. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 12, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    wow, you people are talking about black people like they’re animals. africans share many of the stereotypes of many immigrants, with extremely high standards for academic achievement. this is true of african americans as well, though they in particular are living under the legacy of institutional discrimination that determines their mobility in life.

    a professional sports career is seen as an ‘ideal job’ in the black community in the same way a tv host or ceo might be ideal in white (or most other) communities. there are many people that aspire to these jobs in ways that are not representative of the values of the entire community or race.

    people sometimes perceive anti intellectualism in the black community because it tends to actively rebel against institutions of knowledge that exclude their value or intelligence. society at large sees “black ways of talking” as inferior and makes it seem like everything has been done by white people, but calling black people anti intellectual is a way of saying that you can only see white people as intelligent.

  328. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 12, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    “Could be it, yeah. Kind of hard to make women that will be well received when they must be both 100% perfect human beings but still believable.”
    this is kinda just you saying you dont understand what a good female character should be lol

  329. 7-D Sensei
    7-D Sensei
    April 12, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    If anyone can speak an ounce of Japanese please go let him know “It’s not a culture difference thing, it’s a Tumblr culture thing, Tumblr community is straight trash”

  330. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 12, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    this derailing is so confusing why are you bringing up class why are you telling me im dictating anything.. is my opinion so offensive to you that even my expressing it feels like censorship?

  331. Dr_Diddles
    Dr_Diddles
    April 12, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    For the record, I am black. Crack open a Cultural anthropology textbook and it will be written the same wau

  332. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 12, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    ooops sorry that was supposed to be reply to other guy

  333. Benderisgreat
    Benderisgreat
    April 13, 2015 at 10:11 am

    Don’t forget Black Heimdall. Apparently that’s okay too.

    Just wait until they see the new Cosby Show with an all-white cast. People will love Gilbert Gottfried as the new Dr. Huxtable.

  334. Rokoko
    Rokoko
    April 13, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    “You’re one person.”

    Well so are you, and too many people forget that. Personally I’m a fan of shows like Steven Universe and approve of the diversity, but Michieie was offering their own viewpoint. You can disagree, but don’t pretend like you’re the voice for everyone else, as if that makes your opinion somehow superior.

    Things like skin color are pretty artificial when it comes to identifying with characters. Same with hairstyles and accents. Speaking FOR MYSELF, as only anyone can do, I identify with personalities. People who “look” like me are far-inbetween but that has never stopped me from enjoying cartoons or characters.

  335. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    April 13, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    Diversity of opinions is way better and more important than diversity of sexuality, skin color and appearance. Bioware proves this excellently. Pretty much every characters since DA2 is a shitty Joss Whedon snark douche and they’re all boring no matter how gay, black and fat they are.

  336. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 13, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    I’m bringing up class because you people conveniently ignore it when telling others to “check their privilege”.

    Also, you have yet to explain the substance behind your buzzwords.

  337. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 13, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    And apparently neither do you guys.

  338. J.U.D.O. Kami
    J.U.D.O. Kami
    April 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm

    As a African American, this does not bother me at all, What the artist created in her own image, that is what art is. Everyone has their own unique style and vision on other people characters, so if she want to make Garnet with lighter skin tone, that is okay by me. Seriously people need to chill now and days.

  339. Shadowlz420
    Shadowlz420
    April 14, 2015 at 8:10 am

    what is so sad about this is that ppl easily turned this to a race thing just cause the artist changed the color tone of the character like y’all bein real? Its a character from a cartoon he or she can draw however they want black white blue green cause when u draw u don’t think about a race of a character u just draw the damn character on how u feel u want it to be.

  340. Cole Pram
    Cole Pram
    April 14, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    I find this an interesting argument.

    If you say you’re a minority, but you don’t care about representation, well you’re just one person you don’t count.

    However if you’re a minority, or not it doesn’t really matter, and do care about representation, you speak for everyone.

    “Well so are you, and too many people forget that.”
    Good rebuttal.

    I can’t comment either way because I’m not a minority, but I personally enjoy, or don’t enjoy, films and cartoons regardless of who’s in them.

    My daughter’s favorite movies are “The Princess and the Frog” and “Mulan” so I’m not sure as a 3 year old she really cares about representation either. I’d like to say maybe it doesn’t matter much because she sees herself represented in other places, but all her books have critters, Hispanics (Dora and Diego), or generically unidentifiable blobs with faces and most of the other cartoons she watches are puppets or ponies.

    I’m not sure where she’s seeing herself represented that it makes a huge impact on herself esteem.

  341. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    im a man heh

  342. yourfriendvirus
    yourfriendvirus
    April 15, 2015 at 8:08 am

    >severely underrepresented in America

    If you’re talking about popular media representation, Green Lantern John Stewart, Vixen, Victor Stone/Cyborg, John Henry Irons/Steel, Black Lightning, Static Shock, Black Panther, Firestorm, and many others that would make a too long list to name-would like to disagree with you. There is a lot of black characters around if you bother to look, some of the above mentioned being wildly popular and loved. So your statement is false and misleading.

  343. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    April 15, 2015 at 9:39 am

    I actually think you’ve named all that you can. But that’s not the point: I didn’t say there are ZERO black characters. I said they’re rare, and as a total percentage of characters, it isn’t representative of America, and definitely not the world. Not to mention that very few of those characters get big name billing — even fewer of the “most important” (as defined by appearances in comics and other media) superheroes are black.

    So my statement is neither false nor misleading, unless you have some facts other than listing a number of black superheroes you can count on your hands.

  344. Reverse Racist
    Reverse Racist
    April 16, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    you’re making statements about “you people”, what do you know about me besides the opinions i’ve expressed here? i cant field criticism for opinions that aren’t my own, for people that dont represent me. my discussions of privilege seek to engage class honestly, and i see you being dishonest here, asking i consider class in my analysis but not telling me why or how it relates to the discussion we are having recoloring fan art.

    i made fun of MRA’s earlier because that movement is built on the same kind of dishonesty you’re trying with me right now. you’re ignoring what i say and responding to points i did not make (dishonest about what i am saying), bringing in irrelevant information (dishonest about your intent to debate topic at hand), simplifying or assuming parts of my position (dishonest about your desire to reach understanding), and expressing a general tone of contempt towards groups that complain about their representation (dishonest about desire for egalitarianism).

    it’s exhausting to wade thru these lies, so im gonna stop this here. reflect a bit on what you’re saying and how it might be coming from defensiveness. you are not superhuman, you will get defensive in the same way we all do when we are confronted with facts that reveal our insensitivity or unawareness. take it as a signal to step back and reevaluate.

  345. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 16, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    I have yet to see a single fact backing up any of your statements.

  346. yourfriendvirus
    yourfriendvirus
    April 17, 2015 at 9:13 am

    Gotta love how Tumblrinas/SJWs ignore facts or even consider them detrimental to discussion because they fear it might tear apart their arguments.

    I wonder if they’d accuse me of whitewashing if I walk up to a black person and point a flashlight at them.

  347. Phil F.
    Phil F.
    April 18, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    kill yourself.

  348. Destinee
    Destinee
    April 25, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    Yes it was wrong. Garnet is a black-coded character, and shares various physical traits with African american women, including an afro, large lips/nose, and a large waist (not saying that these traits are exclusive to black women, it’s just very common). Garnets voice actor is black as well. And those describing her as reddish obviously haven’t studied her properly. Half of Garnet’s (Spoiler Alert) fusion is Ruby, and she is definitely red, not Garnet. Once Ruby and Sapphire fuse once more to create Garnet after they were separated, she becomes more of a purplish-tone. However, that does not change the fact that she is a black-coded character. A good explanation of Garnet (tho it has more to do with cosplaying/blackface) can be found here: http://cutepat00t.tumblr.com/post/116944222594/milky-moe-momo-tan-sourcedumal

    Those who use the “double standards” excuse most likely are unaware of false equivalences. Saying things like “if I drew Garnet as a white person, then there would be an uproar, but it’s ok for you to draw Sailor Moon as black??” is pretty ridiculous tbh. That’s like saying “it’s ok for a 2 year old to hit me but I, a grown adult can’t punch him back??”
    And those who use Green Lantern, Boondocks, etc. as forms of representation: only having a couple of examples isn’t enough. When you search up beautiful women/hot men/aesthetic on google images, most of the results that turn up are of white/light skinned people. Black children need to have representation in their lives, someone to look up to that also happens to look like them. But they are yet to receive it. I have 2 nieces and 1 nephew, I can’t tell you how surprised and excited they were to see Tip, the main character for the Dreamworks movie Home. My 2 nieces were practically jumping with joy that there was someone in theaters that looked like them. If my brother’s kids reacted in such a surprised manner, then its obvious that there isn’t enough black representation in the media. You shouldn’t erase what we already have so little of to begin with.

    Back to Garnet, it was obvious that the artist was trying really hard to whitewash this character. Besides just lightening her skin, he made her nose pointy, her mouth smaller, and to put the white icing on the vanilla cake, straightened Garnet’s hair into a bob. Like, regardless of her race, changing her hairstyle to what’s basically a white version of her actual hair? Not even into something that’s befitting of Garnets character (like braids/twists as shown here: http://madammonkey.tumblr.com/post/102198601996/garnet-with-twists). Not to mention how all the other characters are based upon their canon looks. Why is it that out of all of them he chose to look moreso human, he chose the only one that was already black-coded and shares various physical traits with black people?

    Even if he didn’t mean it (I heavily doubt he’s racist) it all does seem a little bit odd. It’s good to hear that he’s learned something from this, and will hopefully take it into consideration in his future artistic endeavors.

  349. jibbutkiss
    jibbutkiss
    April 25, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    omg some sense in this convo holy shit i could feel my brain cells dying from the majority of the other comments lol

  350. NerdyGirl1998
    NerdyGirl1998
    April 25, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    I just don’t understand y it”s so bad for a white person to draw a black person as white…

  351. Destinee
    Destinee
    April 25, 2015 at 7:32 pm

    Because, as I’ve said already,”You shouldn’t erase what we have so little of to begin with.”o begin with.

  352. C0braGunneRzz
    C0braGunneRzz
    April 25, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    Say goodbye to ur penis then, mate.

  353. PedroDaKing114
    PedroDaKing114
    April 25, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    White people in these comments sections r being hella offended cuz they can’t add another character to theeir millions of other ones that look as light as them. Sucks that u won’t have another slice in ur wonderbread collection. Now quit bitching and moaning about it.

  354. Nanananananananana-Dende
    Nanananananananana-Dende
    April 25, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    Kinda worried to read the comments because something tells me that it’ll be full of a bunch of butthurt white pissbabies defending the artist. Just chill out and listen to Taylor Swift/Iggy Azalea or whatever you guys do.

  355. bemyaesthetic
    bemyaesthetic
    April 25, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    lol

  356. bemyaesthetic
    bemyaesthetic
    April 25, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    lol white people are such crybabies like this thread is full of ignorance. PRO BLACK GARNET BITCHESSS!!!

  357. cutiepatootie
    cutiepatootie
    April 25, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    Lol this bleached Garnet is nothing in comparison to irl Garnet. No matter what these shitty mayonaise-ass whiteys will say, black Garnet is the best Garnet

  358. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 28, 2015 at 10:13 am

    No, my point comes before yours. Her purpose was a success , her purpose was to show red heads in a good light, now shes an icon for it. now red heads are more adopted. This proves my theory, REPUTATION MATTERS. Its gets people adopted for one, now in this generation of #blacklivesmatter , what do you think is needed to be represented more?
    common sense dude, go take a course.

  359. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 28, 2015 at 10:17 am

    Please show me how blonde hair and blue eyes are less represented and scarce. Tell me, is it hard to find blonde hair blue eye anime/cartoon characters? Is it? How many black characters are in anime? how many in cartoons? How many are not tokens in the series.

    Are you dunce to not know that if I have 5 apples and you have none and we both decided we are both starving….are you going to give more apples to me?

  360. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 28, 2015 at 10:22 am

    Wait so MLK didnt shit? Or teachers spreading information, damn those scientist for studying and sharing what they have found. Damn…didnt know infomation, descriptions, definitions and stories didn’t matter. that’s why inspiration quotes are dumb.
    Poetry GO TO HELL

  361. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 28, 2015 at 10:26 am

    Child pornography, one type of beauty (im in the gyaru movement, was for awhile but mostly fighting against the standards)
    -there are still coonish books in the schools going around
    -Foreigners taking over train stations in that one week, terriorising the natives

    -Not sure how the law still goes, but you could of end their marrige for cheating, but they switched it. Im not sure where I stand with this. One hand the woman can bribe if the men cheated but I kind of like that he did that on himself, but there are women that lie (someone always have to ruin it) and that……wait you tell me the social issues in america

  362. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 28, 2015 at 10:29 am

    I hate this platform, your response was hidden.
    you dont think……that we didnt get that already? So I cant use sarcasm too or is it only owned by guys who NEEDS to make a point?
    seriously look at my banter…thats pure sarcasm right there….If you cant notice that then what are you….you’re nothing. You dont exist, get your life. I dont think I need to read any further, I dont want to fall in the same ditch

  363. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 28, 2015 at 10:34 am

    We will see when we get there, but we cant because one side is constantly blocked. women has been in this community since its started, only now you can hear them because the internet shows all views. Seriously how can anyone think that one sex is not interested….oh right brainwashing from birth. You know the “stop acting like a girl, be a man, dont cry like a girl, you throw like a girl, girls are fragile”
    dude if thats the brain washing we get as kids….what the hell else dont you know is happening to you as you grow up.

    AND THEN when you enter the community the brainwashed idiots use that against the girls when they try to bond and share….then you and the same people ask why arent they around….nigga you drove them away and they have to lie about their sex or say they are not like “those girls” to get a foot in.

  364. Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    Phillicia "HeirOfGlee"
    April 28, 2015 at 10:42 am

    Im another person and I agree that I dont agree with you that skin color is artificial, it shows me that there are more to just beige white that can be a super hero or a princess or a nice guy or an artist ESPECIALLY when young and growing up. And this is proven in studies

    if color is so artificial,

    explain the black and white doll test on little children

    explain the black hand white hand

    explain black models and white models and why they want black models to look like white models dipped in brown paint

    If color dont matter when green walls calms you and pink walls makes you weak?

    seriously hop off it. If there is a whole culture relating to dehumanizing dark skin because they are dark skin and murders and hangings and housing and banking and less success because of discrimination , if fucking black cats cant get adopted because of history with black cats being bad luck-

    HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO BELIEVE THAT COLOR DO MATTER

  365. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 28, 2015 at 10:51 am

    Feel free to take issue with the sarcasm. But you know what I’m saying is right.

  366. Holyfox25
    Holyfox25
    April 28, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    Nice Strawman.

    Yes, MLK did something with his life; he did not bitch on the internet about first world problems. He actually risked his left many times on a real issue. Again, don’t compare yourself to him.

  367. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 28, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    Its funny you should mention it – gaming was always accessible to everyone. Back in the 70’s, People like John Carmack and John Romero would go and learn themselves how to make games after playing a game, and that was the entry bar. It was accessible to close to anyone that had the willpower to take the grind.

    Then, in the 80s, when playing games became more widespread but still not mainstream, I very distinctly remember girls ostracizing so-called nerds (gamers included), making fun of them (even bullying) and wanting nothing to do with it for whatever reason.

    Same goes for the 90s. Meanwhile, a lot of people enthralled by the medium became proactive and decided to learn how to make the games. You couldnt really depend on the internet on the 70s and 80s, and I doubt there was much material available regarding programming in the 90s, but that didnt stop people from buying books about programming and looking and studying at source code when available.

    But not many women wanted to enter that community back then. Why is that? Why many preferred to simply mock those within it from the outside, sometimes in very cruel ways?

    Were there women since the start? Why, yes – both as devs and players. Roberta Williams is a good example (and one of my gaming heroines). But the majority of game devs is still overwhelmingly male:

    http://skeptischism.com/consskep/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/10/igda.jpg

    Why is that…? There may be multiple reasons, but take a look at what being a game dev is. You have 0 job security, low pay, bonus dependant on performance and, sometimes, external factors that are close to random (like metacritic), unpaid crunch time, must be willing to move a lot, hard to conciliate a family life with your career etc. Does this sound appealing to you…? Being a game dev is suffering. Many simply quit to become what they colloquially call a “code monkey”, like in a bank. Pays a lot more, is a stable job, has regular work hours, doesnt require you to decipher the sphynx that is the desires of the public and, best of all, doesnt require you to sacrifice your family life and your health in the process.

    Now, thing a bit about the whole wage gap thing. Current studies show a trend of women valuing a lot more things like stability, more off hours to take care of the family, ability to take roots in one place etc over career advancement and better pay. This could be the explanation on why there arent that many female devs in our industry. They may simply be smarter than males who are willing to work for peanuts to the point of exhaustion (and sometimes, divorces) out of sheer passion for their hobby.

    How has this changed in the new century? Well, better and easier development tools are now available, even for free, for those who wish to be game devs. With the internet in full swing, we have plenty of free and very good tutorials and communities willing to help those who wish to brave this world. We have Kickstarter for those who wish to try their luck outside of the rigid corporate world. We have easier than ever publishing opportunities thanks to digital distribution, and self distribution is even a possibility. We have paypal and other stuff that makes it easy to receive donations if you want to make a donationware. We have thriving mod communities where you can learn a LOT to, later, become a game dev proper.

    With that landscape, it is a lot easier for people to maintain a job, but still learn how to be a game dev to do it as a hobby. That way, you don’t risk losing your health, sanity or family should you fail. This, I imagine, is making some women take the plunge into game development. A game genre where you can see a lot of women working on is on Visual Novels, for example.

    Now, you want even more women becoming game devs? You need to make the job suck less for everyone. Fight for better work conditions for game devs, who sometimes even get cheated out of their money. Fight for better workplace conditions and severance plans. Fight for more legal support to this trade and so forth. This is a lot better than trying to forcefully shove women in something they dont seem to want to get into.

    It would also help if a certain group of people stopped spreading lies about the gaming ecosphere and making it seem like a toxic environment for women. If you keep shouting a certain place is terrible, do you really wonder why people are not going there anymore?

    As I bonus, I leave another picture attached.

  368. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    April 30, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    Representation is no excuse for a double standard. If you want it to be more equal, then treat it equally.

  369. Ali Radicali
    Ali Radicali
    May 1, 2015 at 4:13 am

    Nice goalpost-shifting.
    Equality =/= proportional representation. The fact that you’re advocating for double standards and affirmative action in FAN ART makes me laugh and cry in equal measure.

  370. Staph
    Staph
    May 1, 2015 at 9:42 am

    I think this representation issue is several degrees less important than artists not experiencing chilling effects for doing things as they like.

    Social Justice Acolytes should find ways to promote their tastes(they’re tastes, nothing more) that don’t involve shaming artists for doing things they don’t like. The consequence for this little act should be clear. I as an artist will make sure I don’t ever make a black character, EVER.

    This is what I think when I see this kind of complains. I feel that they shouldn’t get what they want. People that love to excuse the radicals, will have to start to police them, or people like me will start doing and promoting things they don’t like.

  371. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    May 1, 2015 at 10:53 am

    So basically you’re saying: you want to actively work against social equality (no matter how insignificant) just to be spiteful against random internet commentors because they tried to make you aware of that lack of social equality, because what’s really important here is that you teach them a lesson for criticizing an artist too harshly. Got it.

  372. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 1, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    Learn what a chilling effect is. If it’s too much trouble one will eventually not bother with representation at all. Also, in more extreme cases, you will get doxed and they will call your employers if they don’t agree with your views on things(See Plebcomics for an example of that in action).

  373. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 1, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    Just like there’s a culture for dehumanizing anyone who is different than you. Welcome to tribalism.

    In more seriousness, a lot of the issues are cultural rather than inherent. Take the black model example: You demonstrated it right there. They want them to “look and act white”.

    While I do agree that skin colour isn’t an artificial construct, I tend to bring it out towards the big picture(majority/minority forces) instead. In the cases where black people are more numerous, they tend to heavily discriminate against white people instead. It’s just the way humans work unfortunately.

  374. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    May 1, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    Odd that people like yourself minimize issues as “not that important” that affect an billion dollar industry, like representation of minorities or women, yet when a dozen tumblr users complain about a piece of fanart, all of a sudden it’s “chilling” and going to destroy the art form.

    Yeah, the plebcomics thing is awful. Is it what happened here? Hell no. Not even close. So far your “slippery slope” only pertains to people who are actually arguing about this stuff, rather than artists who are just doing their thing.

  375. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 1, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    > This conversation is about how whitewashing characters is worse than turning white characters into POCs.

    Welcome to racism in this statement by the way. (in before racism is power plus privilege, which is actually institutionalized racism/sexism that morons keep conflating with individual discrimination that’s also called racism/sexism)

    >Also, you’re waaaaay off on the 20%. Women are actually in the majority of gamers now.
    You aren’t very sharp here, considering he said devs. The percentage was 22% last I checked, which had doubled over the last decade. Of course, they don’t promote that particular boon, and instead continue to shit on people.

    >Third, representation is important precisely because minorities don’t
    have the viewing power that the majority does. When what you watch on TV
    is determined solely by viewership, minorities can start to feel like
    foreigners in their own country.

    Now this is a more interesting argument, majority/minority forces are important to recognize, but attempting to tear into majority forces is not really the way to accomplish your goal. You do that by leading by example. You bring out quality programming. You support those that do. If you want more of said action, you’re eventually going to have to vote with your wallet or spend time and effort at bringing more of it to bear.

  376. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    May 1, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    1) Way to throw out a completely unfounded call of “individual racism” — not only was my argument entirely founded on the existence of institutional racism, nothing I said could possibly be implied to have anything to do with pre-judging white people. You’re misjudging judgments on what is socially acceptable with racism. It’s not racist to say that white people generally shouldn’t use the n-word, and it’s not racist to make a similar judgment here (even though they’re vastly different levels of offensive).

    2) I misread his remark of “20%” as referring to women consumers of games rather than the people in the industry themselves. And yes, women in the industry has doubled, but it’s still woefully less. There’s good news, but it pales in comparison to the demonstrable backlash against females in the industry, as well as how far we still have to go — it has to double again! And it’s not showing signs of getting there any time soon. Sorry if people are focusing on problems when there are still problems to be solved.

    3) My points I make elsewhere (as I’m sure you’ve seen because you seem to be reading the whole thread) show that in artistic fields like this, you don’t need to sacrifice quality of art to get equal representation. There are so many people making games (and other art: music, acting, etc) that if you have the choice, you can basically have your pick of equivalently good people; which means you can safely use the minority factor to make your decision without sacrificing quality. The cases of people turning down obvious genius in favor of “political correctness” are extremely rare cases that are brought out as boogeyman stories by people afraid of diversity.

  377. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 1, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    The only thing worse than less representation is a lazily made one which involves heavy stereotyping. Do you really want that? Because that’s what’ll happen if more people are FORCED to include more representation over being able to come to that decision themselves.

    Also, you thinking that I’m minimizing the issue is a demonstration of your own bias in action. Artists should have their freedom to make what they want, even if you don’t agree with their own representations of the subject at hand. The “chilling” does tend to create more bland, boring characters, especially in writing about them. Why? Because if you remove a variety of tools in their box by forcing them away, they will be less likely to bother fielding the remainder instead of using the complete set in other representations instead. You want more and better representation? Step up to the plate, and make it.

  378. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    May 1, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    No one is saying FORCED. But you say you’re concerned about the BEST artists not being victim of a chilling effect. But the BEST artists will ALSO be able to write/draw a character that’s not like themselves without resorting to stereotypes. That’s part of being a good artist.

    These things always come back to “freedom” as if artists won’t have the freedom to do whatever they want. No one is talking about making any laws.

    You’re trying to have your cake and eat it too: artists should be able to do whatever they want, but consumers have zero right to criticize what those artists do, because not liking an artist’s work is “chilling”. Sorry, but if artists care about having their work seen by an audience, their audience immediately has a say in whatever they make, simply by saying “I like this” or “I don’t like this”. That’s reality, and if it were a “chilling” effect, art would have died years ago.

    The idea that you have to produce art of equivalent value to the thing you’re criticizing is the laziest comeback to criticism possible. “If you hate it so much YOU make a better comic/album/book” etc. It’s a logical fallacy that tries to deflect from the criticism at hand.

    Also, what proof do you have that taking my criticisms to heart will cause work to become more “bland”? I don’t think anything I’ve suggested regarding diversity will. Are you trying to say that if an artist accepts one criticism based on social awareness, they must accept ALL such criticisms? Or can we just agree that it’s okay to actually discuss these things and then let the artist decide who they’re going to listen to?

  379. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 1, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    1) it is individual racism, because you openly displayed a racial bias in stating that one aspect of it is more important than another(Since that bias had to do with race, that is where your discrimination lies). Here’s a tip: We’re all ethnocentric. We all discriminate. Trying to pretend you don’t is foolhardy.

    2) And do you expect constant negative portrayal in media to be a solution to improving represenation of women in x? Really now? The more you tend to demonize industries in general, the more likely you’re going to end up with less representation, not more. If anything, they should prop up good examples in industry, to balance out the negative PR somewhat.

    3) You don’t need to sacrifice quality of art to get equal representation, but your talent pool to choose from may be different depending on where you’re drawing from. You’re welcome to lead by example, but most don’t really want to put in the effort, as you may have noticed.

  380. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 1, 2015 at 7:59 pm

    You’re making an assumption of “Best artists”. I’m defending ALL artists here, even the ones whose work I find abhorent. You’re trying to have your cake and eat it too yourself. Not liking an artist’s work is one thing, trying to silence them by doxing and harassing them is quite another. Apparently you don’t get what I meant from Plebcomics there. Maybe another example might help: the artist for Divinity:Original Sin had to change an instance of boobplate due to ideologues being overly fanatical in their devotion to stamp out sexism.

    Also, if you’re claiming art has really improved in the more recent decades, I invite you to look at what constitutes modern art nowadays, then compare it to earlier movements in the art world as a whole. Admittedly, taste is subjective, but if you end up rewarding garbage, people will be encouraged to pump out more because that’s what makes money.

    You’re currently building a strawman for whatever reason, and it’s a bit annoying. You don’t have to produce massive amounts of art to critique it, but you should at least understand the fields at question beforehand. Keep in mind, your opinions on how to accomplish diversity are not universally shared. I believe in setting up positive representations myself, rather than tearing people down that don’t conform to my expectations.

    Work has been becoming more bland, especially in the gaming industry, directly because of people’s attempts to try shoehorning in diversity into a product. The problem is, many seem to prioritize diversity of appearance over diversity of opinion, and that is where it starts to fall apart. You want proof? Look at what’s getting the most money nowadays over what has gotten the most in the past.

  381. Sarracenia
    Sarracenia
    May 1, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    Where is anime made? Who is it made for?

    How many black people are there in those communities?

    BAM! There’s your answer.

  382. ReaperX30
    ReaperX30
    May 1, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    I know the show and like it but the art was pretty awesome so I really don’t get why he got complaints about it.

  383. Norasuko
    Norasuko
    May 1, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    Steven Universe fans on tumblr are the worst!
    They took down various hentai artists blogs for drawing SU characters, because apparently you can take any blog down by abusing the report system, that should be easy to reverse, because those blogs were taken down under false reports and drawing adult fan art is not a crime, but tumblr staff simply doesn’t respond appeals of NSFW artists.

  384. Sam Demouy
    Sam Demouy
    May 2, 2015 at 12:03 am

    Let’s talk anime for a second. Please realize where it comes from: not America but Japan. Let me give you some statistics. Number of Asians I saw during my three month stay in Japan: Over 9000. Number of White people I saw during my three month stay: somewhere around 20. Number of black people I saw during my three month stay: one. The reason black people are not represented in anime is because in the country that anime is made in, there are next to no black people.

  385. Brezals
    Brezals
    May 2, 2015 at 5:44 am

    This is what it boils down to, either you are not allowed to misscharacterise established characters in media, or you are allowed.

  386. Brezals
    Brezals
    May 2, 2015 at 5:45 am

    it is the perfect pic to make a point with.

  387. Staph
    Staph
    May 3, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    For starters, I don’t really think what your ilk is doing is actually something that produces social equality. I’m not actively working against “social equality”, I’m actively working against liars and people that socially profit from the suffering of other people. So, yes, I’m against that people.

  388. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 3, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    japanese character= white? If you can’t understand why people are pissed about it then you deserve the shit you get. When black and minority cosplayers cosplay as Japanese characters which are just naturally assumed to be white because you know..white is right and everything has to be about white people..they get a shitstorm, they get slurs they get threats they are humiliated because of their darker skin. You having your ‘feelings’ hurt because you don’t get to whitewash the very small amount of minority characters is trash to me. White people pretty much get a free pass to be any character they want because they assume all light characters are white and if they’re not well they’re white so they can do whatever they want.

  389. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 3, 2015 at 10:39 pm

    If you really believe in the mess you’re saying I don’t even know what to tell you. Multiple animes have white characters.. i’m not talking about the characters white people themselves assume are white. I’m talking about the ones described by the creators as such. And most of the time.. those characters are from different european countries. Lets talk Steven Universe for a second. Taking the very few and rare minority characters in the show and bitching about getting crap for cosplaying them as a white person doesn’t make me feel any pity for them. White people get a free pass to cosplay as anything they want with light skin while darker skinned people get slurs and threats and insults. Sailor moon is japanese lol, if people don’t understand that hair and eye color doesn’t make a japanese character white by this point then that’s pretty sad. How many pink, blue,green and purple haired people do you see naturally in real life? How much outrage do you see when a white person cosplays japanese characters?

  390. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 3, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    Racism doesn’t exist for white people. Reverse racism is not real because racial prejudice directed at white people doesn’t have the weight of institutional oppression behind it. Racial prejudice and stereotypes can exist for white people but there is no racism for white people.

  391. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 3, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    Are those all characters you assume are white because your privilege lets you believe all anime characters are white people or ?

  392. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 3, 2015 at 10:47 pm

    If you can’t see that the fact that people have to dig around to find them as a problem, you’re dense.

  393. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 3, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    But see you only say that when it’s a minority. I don’t see people like you coming for white people when they don’t treat others equally.

  394. Brezals
    Brezals
    May 4, 2015 at 6:27 am

    a little hard to understand your post, but do you mean, just because some cosplayers with darker skin, cosplay a white character, they get called slurs, so that means a white cannot cosplay a dark skinned anime character?

  395. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    May 4, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    >pissbabies

    You missed the SJW vanguard, they all retreated to tumblr.

  396. Jurie
    Jurie
    May 5, 2015 at 12:12 am

    And your point is?
    Yeah, we aren’t black, but we are of a somewhat brownish/tanned complexion and dark hair since we’re mixed, like any other country down here. But just because we aren’t exactly black it doesn’t mean that being pale isn’t considered unhealthy around here. Or that our opinions matter less that others.
    Anyhoo…

  397. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    May 5, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    1) Whatever racist tendencies I do or do not have, none of them were evidenced by my suggestion. There is nothing racist about my suggestion. Tour suggestion that anything having racial bias (or, indeed, anything relating to race whatsoever) is “racist” is ridiculous. If you are calling the policy in question racist, you need to show that it is in fact disadvantageous to a certain “race”.

    2) What I’m hearing is,”Please don’t tell people that the game industry is behaving badly towards women! Then women won’t want to come work for them!” Also known as the “ostrich head” technique. Sorry, I’m not going to accept “let’s just pretend there isnt a problem” as a solution.

    3) I can and do lead by example, and I could do without the fear of people calling me some kind of “warrior”.

  398. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 7, 2015 at 7:45 am

    1) You and me are going to disagree upon this because you don’t seem to understand what racism entails. Here’s a hint, it’s one of the discriminatory forces involved with ethnocentrism. You like many others who are taught a certain way seem to conflate individual discrimination with oppression, Here’s another hint: Racism is not power plus privilege, no matter how you try to force that meaning outside of an academic setting.

    2) You call it ostrich head technique, I call it “Actually reporting accurately on the situation by reaching out to the people involved in the industry who is well regarded, rather than those on the fringe who are their buddies”. Just my opinion of course.

    3) You do? Then maybe you should check your own biases as seen in 1).

  399. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    May 7, 2015 at 8:59 am

    1) Here’s a hint: the definition you keep insisting racism “isn’t” is the ONLY ONE THAT FUCKING MATTERS. You’ve given no rationale as to why you can so authoritatively tell me “what racism is” other than insulting me. I know exactly what you’re getting at, and it’s the same “colorblindness” bullshit that white people love to pull out that shut down any kind of meaningful discussion of race (not that I assume you are white). Here’s a hint: you cannot fix racism in the United States until you acknowledge the artificial barriers that racists have set up.

    2) It doesn’t matter how much you know that women aren’t going into the industry because of fear of misogyny: THAT IS THE POINT. You cannot fix this shit by simply pretending that it doesn’t exist because that solution has never worked in the history of oppressive behavior ever. Here’s what would happen if we “just don’t look”: women try going into the game industry and the SAME THING KEEPS HAPPENING. The presence of women won’t change how people in power act, the industry will continue its bad misogynist habits, and women will leave again because of that. Seriously. What kind of asshole says “yes the industry is misogynist, but it’s going to hurt women more if we acknowledge that, let’s just pretend it’s not happening.” I want you to give some kind of explanation other than “look buddy I KNOW PEOPLE so you just gotta trust me on this!!!” Because you kind of sound like a dick.

    3) I do, and I do this by using math to make sure that I am choosing personnel in a representative manner; this allows me to temper my own personal bias.

  400. Enzo Sacks
    Enzo Sacks
    May 7, 2015 at 10:04 am

    I seriously hope you’re being ironic right now.

  401. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 8, 2015 at 11:54 am

    Why? Do you like pretending that the world doesn’t favor your existence and society views darkness as dirty, welfare and ugly? Do you ever bathe in bleach because you want people to stop harassing you because of your skin color and grow up thinking that you wish you were born white because you’re dark skinned? How many times does someone tell you to go back to your country? How many people assume you’re an illegal? Are you racially profiled and stop and frisked? Do clerks follow you in stores because they assume all of your kind are thieves? Do you see a lack of people like you in the media and on magazine covers and books? Did you have family that is still alive today that suffered through segregation? Do you feel oppressed in a society made to benefit you?

  402. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 8, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    It’s actually not hard at all to understand. It means what it says. You made up your own idea that isn’t even associated with what I said. Please do point out where in my post it says white people cannot cosplay a dark skinned character and not “White people pretty much get a free pass to be any character they want because they assume all light characters are white and if they’re not well they’re white so they can do whatever they want”

  403. Brezals
    Brezals
    May 8, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    You say : “You having your ‘feelings’ hurt because you don’t get to whitewash the very small amount of minority characters is trash to me.”
    I may have missunderstood your point here, but to me you are saying that white people shouldn’t cosplay dark skinned characters.

    Ah.. perhaps you weren’t arguaing with me to begin with, or do you think that sailor moon picture is somehow.. “problematic” because that is what I assumed you thought.

  404. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 8, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    Doesn’t like labels, calls self latina. Is white passing, says everyone else is just a crybaby. H’ok. If you don’t need representation or help and you feel accepted as you are come to Russia and see how independent and okay it is for you to be gay, hold your girlfriend’s and walk around all day hand in hand. And hey because skin color doesn’t matter get fx makeup to look black and try it, hell you can even go to the southern US and see how accepting everyone is when you’re dark. Because my family sure as fuck doesn’t like any illegals, slaves or gays and would shoot on site if you came on our land.

  405. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 8, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    Can’t wait to see segregation come back but flipped this time. I wonder if your tune will be the same when you become the minority in your country and europe shuts you out. Keep your filthy genes in the mess you made.

  406. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 8, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    And explain how what I said translates to what you think? Don’t pretend you suddenly can’t understand English after you read the whole article. I never mentioned that sailor moon picture.

  407. Benderisgreat
    Benderisgreat
    May 8, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    Ohhhhh such hate filled hate speech. Lemme go out with 500 of my friends and burn down my own neighborhood. Then I’ll sick Eric Holder, Louis Farrakhan, and Al Sharpton on you!

  408. Brezals
    Brezals
    May 8, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    I thought you were talking about it, as that was my reply about.

  409. Dobrushin
    Dobrushin
    May 9, 2015 at 12:17 am

    Do you even know what hate speech is? Don’t bother answering I already know you have the IQ of a soybean. I don’t know who any of those people are and I really don’t care. You can go back to eating hot pockets and drinking mountain dew in your moms basement like the wretched little troll you are.

  410. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    May 10, 2015 at 12:42 am

    I call out anyone who treats others unequally and, no, I don’t listen to blind claims. Claiming someone is treating others unfairly with no evidence other than them being white is, ironically, the real racism.

  411. Benderisgreat
    Benderisgreat
    May 10, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    Blah blah blah hate hate hate racist racist blah blah. You and the rest of your racist nazi pals go have an angry circle jerk.

  412. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 12, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    1) It is not colourblindness. It is the dictionary definition of racism. It’s why I throw out your ignorant “racism is power plus privilege” redefinition out the fucking window. Until you can make your language clear and unambiguous, you WILL continue to get this treatment. While I agree with you that systemic oppression is not the same as inidividual discrimination, pretending that racism itself is anything beyond discrimination itself is foolhardy. You wonder why you keep getting this argument? It’s because you are attempting to redefine something other than what it is.

    2) I’m not pretending it doesn’t exist. It is no more misogynistic than any other realm of life. Wanna know what is different? It is a completely shit job, and women are actually smarter than men in that where they don’t want to deal in such conditions. You really wanna fix the women in tech/games issue? Maybe look to why the companies are busting out crippling NDAs and non-competition clauses, taking all of a developer’s work for their own, even during their off time, or how they throw them out like a bag of potatoes once they’re done with them. You wanna improve things? Start with that. Here’s another bit that can help: Mentoring. Forcing quotas is a waste of time until you address more core issues.

    3) You are being a collectivist, which is why I am calling you out for said bias, see 1).

  413. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    May 13, 2015 at 11:05 am

    1) Sorry, but YOU are the one who isn’t making your language clear and unambiguous. Quite the opposite, you keep trying to define racism as what kind of definitions you WON’T accept, and then failing to give a definition beyond “discrimination”.

    But let’s just stick with that simplistic one, and you’ll see why my definition is so important.

    Let’s look at hiring practices in a large field. In order to not discriminate, you need to pick the best person for the job. However, studies have shown that for many fields, you can prove that hiring practices are discriminatory against people of color: first, by pure numbers (POC are not as highly represented), and secondly, study after study shows that resumes sent with “ethnic” sounding names get fewer interview requests than the exact same resume sent with a typically “white” sounding name.

    So now the question comes: why are people in that field being discriminated against, and how can it stop? Sure, you can just say that the people hiring “are racist”, but what does that mean? People love to think that racism comes in the form of conscious hate, but the truth is it can be much more subtle than that. So, even if you’re the one hiring, “I know I’M not racist” just isn’t good enough.

    The only answer is to give yourself metrics. There’s no reason to assume that applicants will be more or less qualified based on the color of your skin, therefore, if you are indeed hiring fairly, you’re going to end up with a workforce with similar demographics to the population the United States. So it’s a lot subtler than “quotas” — it’s simply saying “hey you know we don’t have any women or black people in this office of 20, maybe our hiring practices are discriminatory and we don’t realize it”.

    To put it short: What I’m suggesting isn’t racist because it is a tool to FIGHT discrimination.

    And that’s why my definition is so important: when you look at racism, true, individual racism is nasty and should be stamped out. But far more important is looking at institutional racism, because it subtly affects every member of the population. It’s more important because it’s a lot harder to tell if is affecting your decision making or not. It’s more important because individual racism cannot have nearly as large of an impact on society as institutional racism — “reverse racism” has never had any kind of significant impact the way that institutional racism has and continues to.

    To put that short: any fears of “reverse racism” are fucking stupid.

    2) “Let me pretend to be sexist against men so that I can prove my point.” Don’t give me this bullshit of “women are smarter so they don’t want to deal with the bad things men put up with”. Yes, things may be bad in the tech and gaming industry, but misogyny is yet another layer on the shit cake. And it starts way earlier than the hiring process.

  414. Lord Pigeon
    Lord Pigeon
    May 14, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    I still have my eyeball, so that means my hypothesis is at least half-true.

  415. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 15, 2015 at 4:07 am

    1) I already have. It has zero to do with power plus privilege. Do you not know what discrimination is? If not, then maybe you should learn the ways of social justice. All racism is is discrimination based on race. It’s one of the many variants of ethnocentricism, along with sexism, ableism, and so on. We all have those tendencies, even if we aren’t aware of them. You intentionally muddying the waters with idiotic statements involving racism without even acknowledging biases of that nature demonstrate to me that you don’t care much at all about that, or any real lasting equality. You don’t fight hate with hate. End of.

    Now that you’ve acknowledged that there is a difference between racism and institutionalized racism, then we can get somewhere. That issue is quite a nasty phenomenon, don’t get that wrong, but if you force collectivism to the point of denying individual agency, you won’t get very far in your stated goals, assuming that you’re pushing for equality. Not everyone is the same after all. Some need more help than others. Trying to force a one size fits all approach as a result(the current equity efforts), isn’t working out so well. Might I suggest things like negative income tax, mentoring(like I’ve suggested before), and pointing out positive examples of how women and minorities can be successful in those fields? By the way, quotas demean women and minorties due to the obvious: “You only got in there because you’re .” Over time, it breeds resentment over those that couldn’t pass the bar. It’s a crutch long term. Great for short spurts, but making it a generational affair is only going to end in disaster.

    By the way, making the dodge of systemic racism removes personal responsibility from the equation, again denying individual agency, even if to make asinine decisions. You are the imbecile that are trying to introduce buzzwords like “reverse racism” into this conversation. It is racism. PERIOD. Stop trying to pretend it is anything but. You engaged in racism. Why? Because you discriminated against a race. Don’t like being told that? Then don’t do it.

    2) That was an example of sexism(assuming that women are smarter than men). I was demonstrating how these sorts of biases work by the way. I also agree that it starts way earlier than hiring(you can thank rather shitty educational standards for that, as well as utter garbage in reporting). Half the time, you wouldn’t know what misogyny is though from what I’ve observed. Why? Because in tech and gaming, women are usually treated the same as men(badly). It’s not misogynistic. It’s misanthropic. Why pretend otherwise? Why pretend that one end’s suffering is worse than another? That also demonstrates a bias on your end(more sexism).

  416. Vinzenz Stemberg
    Vinzenz Stemberg
    May 15, 2015 at 4:13 am

    Also the worst character. Make the whiny crybaby a black woman?
    Boy doesn’t that open a whole other can o’ worms.

  417. illuminatedwax
    illuminatedwax
    May 15, 2015 at 10:18 am

    1) No, you really hadn’t. You kept saying what it wasn’t. But whatever. My point was that institutional racism is the ONLY ONE THAT REALLY MATTERS. I don’t give a shit if you “don’t fight hate with hate” (a quote generally used by people that are interested in stopping any change from happening, see the Civil Rights movement, Ferguson, etc etc etc) or if “racism is racism” — I’m here to talk about society. And I guarantee that you will never see, in yours or your children’s or your grandchildren’s life, “reverse racism” having any kind of significant impact on white people’s lives, let alone something on the magnitude of impact racism has on POCs lives right now.

    My point is not that racism doesn’t exist, but rather that “reverse racism” is a tiny anthill compared to the motherfucking volcano that is institutional racism.

    Making sure you choose a diverse team — in whatever it is you are doing — is NOT a quota. The difference is that when you prioritize diversity, you are picking people who are qualified for the position. When you have a quota, you might be forced to pick someone who isn’t qualified, or worse yet, hire no one rather than hiring someone who doesn’t meet that quota. I’ve been over the fact that prioritizing diversity DOES NOT diminish the quality of the talent pool on your team, so I won’t go over it again. There is no way you can look at that and go “that’s demeaning” or “they only got onto the team because they were (black/a woman/etc)”.

    2) You’ve gotten seriously confused. I’m talking about things that happen in tech workforces that are SPECIFICALLY misogynist. Tech (and STEM fields in general) is often ACTIVELY HOSTILE towards women in a way that it is not towards men. So in addition to dealing with all the shit men have to put up with (all those things you mention), women have to deal with taking shit from the boys’ clubs that have formed inside the tech industry. I have no idea why you’re trying to pretend I’ve mistaken poor work conditions for misogyny.

  418. Thidran
    Thidran
    May 15, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    1) I specifically stated individual discrimination over institutional oppression. And have called you out specifically for your sexism and racism. Don’t like it? Don’t do it. Now you’re trying to minimize your own bias in this. You focus on collectives, but at the expense of individual agency. I lean more towards individualism, but at the expense of making it tougher to bring about mass change. Going towards one extreme or the other is a waste of time, and doesn’t work. It’s best to find what works for as many as possible, even if multiple methods need to be applied.

    Also, again you are coming with reverse racism, demonstrating your own foolishness. Racism is racism. PERIOD. Until you get that through your head, you will never have what you claim to want. Do not try and pretend you aren’t engaging in racism and sexism. You wanna improve things for real? Start with yourself.

    Making sure you choose a diverse team does matter, but diversity in thought is FAR more important than appearance. Because they can bring in their own lived experiences which are likely alien than yours. Said this stuff beforehand. Why are we circling over things we presumably agree with? Oh, and diversity(when done wrong) DOES demean, due to the way certain equity efforts have been going. You want an example? Take the NYFD taking on a woman that failed to pass her physical exam, lowering the bar despite the other women having been able to pass that test. This is a more extreme case admittedly, but this was done in the name of diversity. You want the best people for the job right?

    2) You are confusing shitty working conditions for misogyny, because you’re focusing on tech/gaming. They don’t care if you’re a woman or man. They care about wringing every last bit of crap they can get out of you. That is a corporatist for you. Unlike certain more political labors, the vast majority of it requires you to get off your ass and work. If you don’t, you will be replaced by one who will, man or woman. Do you know what misanthropy is? Might help you reflect.

    Note how you’re avoiding half of my own arguments, because you don’t even HAVE them. You never even considered options that might also work and encourage people to progress, rather than just going into group labeling. That is the flaw of a collectivist. You focus too much on the forest, and don’t see the trees. It becomes a problem whenever one sinks into lysenkoism rather than what is.

  419. RabidCat M
    RabidCat M
    May 19, 2015 at 7:40 am

    Well, they’re not exactly tan. Most anime characters are almost stark white. Actually, the character drawn that they’re attacking looks to have darker skin. (Like a Japanese person) I wouldn’t say they’re white at all.

  420. Griffin FitzSimons
    Griffin FitzSimons
    May 21, 2015 at 11:01 am

    I didn’t know gemstones from outer space creating a fictional puppet body had a skin color.

  421. Dezire
    Dezire
    May 29, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    I actually consider her Hispanic or Asian as well. Its not “by that logic” Its just diversity. People try so hard to eliminate shit like that. Garnet has dark skin, kinky hair, full lips, etc…she’s black…end of story. Its not something to get upset over.

  422. Dezire
    Dezire
    May 29, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    I don’t give a fuck if shes a goddamn Alien. Her physical appearance is still black. Get over yourself.

  423. Dezire
    Dezire
    May 29, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    You’re an idiot that actually took me saying that she’s voiced by a black woman as “only black people voice black characters”. You’re an absolute fool. Our hair wears best in Afros, braids, and dreads. Get over your fucking self. Seriously, get over yourself.

  424. Dezire
    Dezire
    May 29, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    So we’re completely eliminating the fact that she shares black features? Kay, thanks for that.

  425. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    May 29, 2015 at 11:59 pm

    And you’re an idiot for thinking such trait categories are exclusive to any one race. The dark skin is the only one close by I already explained that even then, dark skin isn’t exclusive to black people. And that the character in question is red.

    The ones who should get over themselves are the people who are outraged over fucking fanart. Let me just say that I envy you people. I envy you because you have the fucking LUXURY to get upset over something so miniscule and inconsequential.

  426. Kenny Young
    Kenny Young
    May 30, 2015 at 3:00 pm

    Rude much, and she’s a gem and she looks like a Gem to me. Doesn’t matter what you tell me. It’s the equivalent to people assuming my Spanish friend is philipino just because of his appearance. It doesn’t matter to me he still looks Spanish my eyes. Please stop forcing your beliefs on me and have a good day.

  427. Lord Pigeon
    Lord Pigeon
    June 5, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    I still have an eyeball, so there’s partial truth.

  428. Aloel
    Aloel
    June 6, 2015 at 12:32 am

    I know this was like 2 months ago, but it’s still so laughable how all these people who are “offended” think that Garnet is African American when she is literally a fusion of two stones from space. The only African American aspect of Garnet is her voice, the lovely Estelle.

    Secondly, how can people dis artists for drawing show fanart in THEIR STYLE? Why should someone’s opinion or perspective be your decision? The only purpose of this art is to entertain & showcase Steven Universe in the eyes of a talented artist, not give people reason to rage on them.

    (Just my opinion, take what you will from it.)

  429. Freeman
    Freeman
    June 16, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    So many black Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, etc pictures . . . such complaints can only come rom the liberal west lol

  430. Dezire
    Dezire
    June 17, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    So I’ll be sure to let the little black girls that watch the show and see someone who looks relatively like them that shes not black. The creator herself said that she is and used the voice actresses facial features as part of her design. So please get the fuck over yourself. This is no long about the artwork, this about people literally saying that its not okay that she’s black and finding something else to call her. You’re the problem. Not me.

  431. Dezire
    Dezire
    June 17, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    Racist means that I think I’m better than someone because of my race. I’m pretty sure everything I said is not racist and a lot of people would agree that Garnet is black and that there is nothing wrong with her being called black. I’m sorry that it offends that she’s black and that black people have something positive to look at, when we have very few black cartoon characters to resonate with in the first place. Have a nice life sweetie.

  432. Dezire
    Dezire
    June 17, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    LMAO THATS NOT BELIEFS YOU WEIRDO! I don’t even think you actually have a logical argument.

  433. Kenny Young
    Kenny Young
    June 17, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    I don’t think you have one either, garnet has 3 eyes. I’ve never seen a black person with 3 eyes before

  434. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    June 17, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    I thought you said you weren’t coming back in another comment some weeks ago.

    Anyway, go right ahead for all I care. She’s still a space rock with no biological roots to humanity, ergo neither black, white, asian, innuit, middle eastern and the likes. The show isn’t changing anything either and the outrage comes from the fact that an artist used lighter shading particularly as an effect to show that the gems in her hand are glowing so yes, this is about the artwork. This is about people like you getting upset over fucking nothing.

    Let me just say again how much I envy you. You don’t need to worry about yearly storms destroying your home as well as your country’s infrastructure. You don’t need to worry about territorial disputes ruining the livelihood of people you know. You don’t need to worry about the possibility of getting robbed everyday in a country with a large poverty rate. You don’t need to worry about living in such harsh conditions that you would need to harden your heart and ignore the dying child lying on the street that you would need to walk over because he’s blocking your way on your commute to work. All things I had to put up with, even that last one. Meanwhile, you can afford to get upset over fanart. I can only wish I had it as good as you.

    She’s still red by the way.

  435. isatarax
    isatarax
    June 18, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    that or maybe people could maybe, oh i don’t know, not get offended over beautiful fanart like this.

    but ya know, that’s an impossibility for people now, i guess.

  436. Fuzzballfox Onionring
    Fuzzballfox Onionring
    June 22, 2015 at 11:41 am

    I think it’s potentially offensive to just change a character’s skin color in fan-art and an artist should be aware of that fact. I think it says more about Japanese culture that an entirely not-Japanese-at-all skin tone is so much the cultural standard that nobody notices this.

    I also think it’s disgustingly hypocritical of tumblr to get on someone’s case about this, but encourage people to draw non-colored characters as black or asian or any other distinctly different ethnicities. How is drawing a white person as black okay, but drawing a black person as white isn’t? Double standards, that’s how.

  437. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 3, 2015 at 12:08 am

    Same reason its only fair the player in first can’t get the blue shell.

  438. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    In case you haven’t noticed, we’re not in segregated times anymore. Black people aren’t restricted from their ability to succeed. We have a black president for crying out loud, we have black Congress members, we have black CEO’s. A poor black man became a very successful neurosurgeon. There’s nothing to stop black people from succeeding too, and playing the victim card will only make things worse. You should be encouraging them to give it their all and to have a hunger for success.

  439. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 3, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    Wait…Racism is over!?

    This is HUGE! We have to tell people….

    WE HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE!

    What are you all standing around for? We have work to do!

    *Dives out window*

  440. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 6, 2015 at 8:24 am

    I take it you don’t understand that racism works both ways, like black people who hate white people.

  441. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 6, 2015 at 9:15 am

    You know what’s racist? Saying that racism is black people’s fault.

    Also, what does this have to do with black people cosplaying white characters?

  442. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 7, 2015 at 8:05 am

    You know what else is racist? Saying that all of life’s problems are white people’s fault and blaming it on “White Privilege”.

  443. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 7, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    I can’t help that white people win at racism. They just got an early start and really kept their head in the game.

    Now: how do you feel about white characters made black, like Nick Fury?

  444. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 8, 2015 at 7:00 am

    FYI, the black slaves were purchased from other Africans and slavery is STILL going on in Africa. You were saying about white people getting an early start? Slavery has always existed and I hate to break it to you but the ones on top weren’t and still aren’t always white. For the record, there are Radical Islamic groups that have black slaves, TODAY. Maybe you can try to quit blaming everything on your irrational hatred of white people, especially when “white” can mean any number of cultures such as Irish, Italian, German, European, Russian, etc.

  445. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 8, 2015 at 9:42 am

    Talkin’ about America, but okay.

    But yeah, Nick Fury?

  446. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 9, 2015 at 10:50 am

    You’re the one blaming White People and, FYI, the first documented slave owner in the United States was a black man so….. your point still makes no sense.

  447. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 9, 2015 at 10:54 am

    That’s great.

    Right now, though, I’m just really curious about how you feel about Nick Fury?

  448. David
    David
    July 10, 2015 at 10:39 am

    Ok.. let me educate you real quick..here is the thing… what make black people upset over racism isn’t people being racist. It’s the racist system (usally brought on by implicit bias) that’s upsetting. It unfairly targets black people. Ex. Controlled for other factors Black youths are less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance disorders than white , Native americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race BUT are arrested for drug related crimes at 10 times the rate of whites. (Info courtesy of time by way of Duke University) That’s what white privilege means.

  449. Icameheretotellyoutostop
    Icameheretotellyoutostop
    July 10, 2015 at 11:01 am

    Someone already answered that question. It’s called false equivalences. User “Destinee” already said that.

  450. Icameheretotellyoutostop
    Icameheretotellyoutostop
    July 10, 2015 at 11:02 am

    Someone already expressed that double standards to not apply to this situation, and this is moreso like false equivalences.

  451. Freeman
    Freeman
    July 10, 2015 at 11:49 am

    It’s the exact same thing. Only difference are the cultures. Ours is extremely over-sensitive + subjective, which = stupid.

  452. Aloel
    Aloel
    July 10, 2015 at 11:54 am

    I am very aware she is visually and physically similar to those in the black community. I am fully supportive of the fact that Garnet is very black-coded. However, her traits are a combination of Ruby and Sapphire respectively. The artist has also clearly displayed her traits of thick physique, large lips/nose and massive hair (even if it’s not really an afro) in this picture.

    But the real topic here is her skin color. I know this artist very well, and his art style uses very exaggerated lighting in all his pieces. The colors used in this that people assume are white-washing her are mainly around her face and hands, where they are used for highlights and the “glow” effect for her gems. Let’s also remember that there are such things as black skin with lighter tones.

    Although I admit they could be slightly darker to match canon colors, people should not attack the artist for something that he probably wasn’t aware would cause offense. He does not live in an area where people are generally black. So rather than take his work personally, we should kindly remind him to be sensitive of color depiction.

  453. Johnathan Lenig-Lopez
    Johnathan Lenig-Lopez
    July 11, 2015 at 2:47 am

    I don’t really see the problem. Amethyst is significantly lightened too, after all, and Pearls age seems scaled down. This seems like a simple reimagining to give them a more anime style, nothing malicious about it.

    Also, the art is really good and just detailed enough.

  454. Minty
    Minty
    July 11, 2015 at 4:51 am

    I don’t think what he did was wrong. Plus, if I remember correctly,
    he attributed the white to the glow of Granet’s gems. Bright light will
    make even dark red skin appear lighter… Fan art is meant to show an
    artist’s appreciation for a character. If I wanted art that was 100%
    like the SU show, then I’d just look at screencaps of it all day.
    Everyone is getting mad because her perceived race is African American,
    but she is not truly African American. She is a gem. a RED rock from
    space who doesn’t really fit any gender or racial types because she’s
    not from Earth. To us, she is perceived as a homosexual African American
    woman, but her official description is that ‘she’ is a non-binary gem. I don’t think what he did was wrong. Plus, if I remember correctly, he attributed the white to the glow of Granet’s gems. Bright light will make even dark red skin appear lighter… Fan art is meant to show an artist’s appreciateion for a character. If I wanted art that ws 100% like the SU show, then I’d just look at screencaps of it all day. Everyone is getting mad because her perceived race is African American, but she is not truly African American. She is a gem. a RED rock from space who doesn’t really fit any gender or racial types because she’s not from Earth. To us, she is perceived as a homosexual African American woman, but her official description is that ‘she’ is a non-binary gem. http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Garnet

    Just my two cents

  455. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 14, 2015 at 10:45 am

    I’m not exactly into him.

  456. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 14, 2015 at 10:46 am

    How does it unfairly target black people? I hate to break this to you but a far larger percentage of black people commit crime than white people do. This isn’t a matter of the police waking up and deciding they hate black people, it’s a matter of more of the black population committing these crimes and cops are going to be more wary in high crime neighborhoods because they want to survive and go home to their families too. Spare me your bull crap and see it for what it is. There ARE bad cops and I’m in full support of body cams to both expose them and protect the good ones.

  457. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 14, 2015 at 10:52 am

    He was a white character who got cast with Samuel L. Jackson for the movies. Does that sit well with you?

  458. How About
    How About
    July 16, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    Lol get the fuck out of here with all of your moronic posts.

  459. Sardonyx
    Sardonyx
    July 19, 2015 at 9:00 am

    Wow…

  460. newandork
    newandork
    July 20, 2015 at 9:53 am

    what the fuck does it matter you fucking asshole? take a god damn chill pill and shut the fuck up

  461. newandork
    newandork
    July 20, 2015 at 9:54 am

    you are a mess wow.

  462. newandork
    newandork
    July 20, 2015 at 10:00 am

    omfg you are a riot. ok, so, did you ever WATCH an anime? iry character is light skinned with non-japanese features, eye, and hair colours. is sailor moon black now? how about cardcaptors? theyre all black now. for no reason. just so you can feel better.

  463. newandork
    newandork
    July 20, 2015 at 10:04 am

    lmao you are a nuuuut. lemme guess. youre a self-righteous sjw.

  464. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 20, 2015 at 11:18 am

    Well, he is a historically white character who has been portrayed on film by a non-white actor. To the point where the cultural zeitgeist only associates the character with Samuel L. Jackson.

    This person is upset about white characters being portrayed by other races, so I want to know their feelings on a character who people don’t think of as white anymore.

  465. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 20, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    Why wouldn’t it sit well with me that he’s white? I don’t understand what you’re asking me, here.

  466. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    That is not the only exclusive definition of racism.

  467. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    I find it a little silly to be looking up to a cartoon charter for their race(or in general for that matter)

  468. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    I feel like you’re exaggerating. Blacks are in the minority, so it only makes sense that they are represented less.

    It’s just a mathematical inevitably. If you don’t want a quota for such a thing how much representation would satisfy you?

  469. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 20, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    So you’re okay with a historically white character who is portrayed by a black actor and is now consistently portrayed as black across all media.

    You seemed to be upset with the picture of Sailor Moon as being black.

  470. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    That’s hardly different

  471. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    This is an interesting show. I always figured that there being a fat girl a black woman and a really skinny chick and all the lesbo-centirc scenes that SJW probably loved this show.

    Then I actually saw the creator is active on tumblr and then my stomach dropped a little, then I saw some reactions from fans and they look like total tumblr users. Now this article confirms that the fan base to this show are a bunch of rabid SJW’s.

  472. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    If you don’t want a quota how do you know they are being underrepsented?

    Also equal opportunity doesn’t mean equal outcome.

  473. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    SO basically wee need more minority charecters so people can feel valid in their identity? Something about that just sounds absurd. People basing their validity in their identity through cartoons sounds absurd

  474. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    I don’t know what all these people bitching about representation expect. How many black characters is enough for you? And why do you want white people representing you anyways?

    I can somewhat understand why it might be a good thing, but representations in cartoons is really not that big of a deal. I find it a rater contrived issue.

    I also feel that anyone that bases the validity of thee identity on cartoons is week-minded in the first place.

  475. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    No, look at her hands, they are much lighter.

  476. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    He made no mistake though.

    And if you are upset over this in the slightest that shows the issue is you. This isn’t a race or competition, it really doesn’t matter.

    changing 10/100 will still not matter because the original content will not be changed.

  477. Charles Ray
    Charles Ray
    July 20, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    While you won’t believe me I;m black and I think it’s silly.

  478. TechnoSinister パグ
    TechnoSinister パグ
    July 26, 2015 at 2:48 am

    Garnet ISN’T EVEN BLACK. Her skin is the colour of a Garnet! She is played by a Black Actor, but doesn’t mean anything. She is an Alien Gem Creature!

  479. Adam Sthename
    Adam Sthename
    July 28, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    Ooookay comments.
    This part is important:
    “The worst pattern that comes from this is: drawing a black character brings all kinds of criticism. It makes you stop doing that entirely,” said a fellow doujin artist on Twitter, when responding to Gashi-Gashi. “That’s what it comes to, I think.”

  480. Adam Sthename
    Adam Sthename
    July 28, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    Ooookay comments.

    This part is important:
    “The worst pattern that comes from this is: drawing a black character brings all kinds of criticism. It makes you stop doing that entirely,” said a fellow doujin artist on Twitter, when responding to Gashi-Gashi. “That’s what it comes to, I think.”

    There’s this important part of one of DYKgaming’s videos on Silent Hill, and they briefly mention that because the Director (i think?) didn’t have any Caucasian colleagues to base the faces of the characters on, and so struggled to create realistic facial stuctures that didn’t look, well, stereotypical.
    I’m gonna bet that a lot of artists in Japan (and probably America and Europe too) have never studied a black life-model, or have drawn black friends or colleagues to base characters on. This means that if one of these artists attempts to draw a black character, they will more than likely look stereotypical (perfect example: Anthony from Metroid: Other M).

    I can see getting black life drawing models as difficult in Japan, but really, images on the internet can help. He got disproportionate backlash for this, but he was indeed being naïve and should have sought help before completing the artwork.

  481. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 28, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    I was upset at the hypocrisy. People will call it cultural appropriation if a white guy dresses up as ANYTHING not white but, if a black person dresses up as a white character, that’s totally fine. Either both are okay or both aren’t okay.

  482. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 28, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    So you are upset. Okay, that’s all I wanted to know. You must be a big fan of the character.

    Do me a favor: name as many canon black superheroes as you can. Top of your head. I trust you not to cheat.

  483. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 31, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    One of my favorites is actually a black superhero, Cyborg. Also, if you count anime, Uub from Dragonball Z.

  484. Caustic
    Caustic
    July 31, 2015 at 5:22 pm

    Okay. That’s two (well, Uub is Middle Eastern but I don’t want to go into it right now).

    That sure seems like slim pickings for people of color who looking for characters to cosplay/ represent them in popular culture. Hardly seems fair.

  485. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    August 1, 2015 at 7:38 am

    Keep in mind, I’m not exactly an avid comic-book reader, I’m sure there are others too. I’m all in favor of having more black super heroes, mind you, as long as they’re original super heroes. I don’t want them to shoehorn it in by replacing an existing white super hero with an identical black one, that insults both white people and black people by implying white people need to be “upgraded” to be more diverse while also implying that black people can’t make it on their own, that they have to live in a white guy’s shadow.

  486. Caustic
    Caustic
    August 1, 2015 at 10:19 am

    If you’re not the biggest comic book fan, why do you care?

    I get the impression you’re just here to complain about black people. After all, you *spent 6 responses trying to explain to me why racism is black people’s fault* when I asked you what you thought of Samuel L. Jackson’s Nick Fury.

    Are you even aware of that?

    Now it feels like you’re desperately trying to backpedal to show you’re on black people’s side. And doing a terrible job.

    What’s up with that?

  487. Ned Davis
    Ned Davis
    August 1, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    here’s why this is bullshit: representation. How often is there a beautiful, *incredibly powerful* but not emotionless woman of color in media? Sure, you can think of some great examples, but them put that against white superheroes. It’s like one poc character to every seven white characters. It’s ridiculous. The reason it’s fine to draw white characters black and not fine to draw black characters white is because one adds to representation, one takes away. One adds to diversity, the other whitewashes whatever meager representation you could possibly find. You want white characters? You’ve fucking got ’em. EVERYWHERE. Look around. Leave poc characters alone.

  488. Icameheretotellyoutostop
    Icameheretotellyoutostop
    August 3, 2015 at 12:37 pm

    The reason black people hate white people is because of, oh I don’t know: centuries of slavery, the subsequent century after the end of slavery (in america) in which blacks were still terrorized and murdered, or the eurocentric beauty standards so prevalent in todays society that enforce the idea that only straight hair, fair skin, pointy noses, and light eyes are attractive. Or maybe its the ongoing false stereotypes spread about by white people that black men are criminals and thugs with a bunch of unclaimed children (there are more black men in college than there are in prison, and according to the cdc black men are more present in their children’s lives than white men) and that black women are just a bunch of rachet, sassy idiots with horse hair sewed in their head (black women are the most educated americans by race and gender, according to the national center of education statistics). Speaking of hair, maybe, just maybe, the reason black people hate whites is because you guys make fun of our culture and our features, calling people with dreads or weaves “stoner bums” and “ratchet” (even tho dreads have serious religious significance to many black people, and adding hair in to braids has existed for centuries in africa) and using blackface to imitate out plump lips. Yall even made our natural hair, the symbol of an entire self love and civil rights movement, a silly disco costume to wear on Halloween. But as soon as a white celebrity uses cornrows or dreads, its all the rage, and children are being sent to the hospital because they hurt themselves while trying to get “kylie jenner lips”. Or maybe we hate you because these stereotypes are getting us fucking killed, no exaggeration. When a cop shoots a black guy, its because he “looked like a thug”. When a black teen gets thrown down on the ground by a cop in nothing but her bathing suit, it’s because she had a “sassy air” about her. But when a white kid kills a bunch of black people in a church and is pictured holding the confederate flag in his racist manifesto, the media portrays him as “a troubled kid” who had “some black friends”.
    But most of all, the most probable reason that black people hate white people is because after centuries of hardship, you guys haven’t learned a single fucking thing. Most white people don’t even know what racism is. They think “white people can’t dance” is just as bad as Apartheid. They still don’t understand that racism is the complex, systematic oppression of a group based on race, and therefore POC cannot be racist against whites (but can be prejudiced) because they can’t stand to benefit from such a system. Yall want to blame us for the fact that we haven’t bounced back from life before the 60’s civil rights era, even though that was only 50 years ago. Expecting just one generation to recover from centuries of oppression and then getting angry when they cite said oppression for the reason recovery is hard and calling it “the race card” is ridiculous. Studies show that white people of this generation are still just as racist as white people of past generations, but have just gotten better at hiding it.

    So in order to sum this up: do black people hate white people? As a group, probably. As individuals, no. Are these black people racist? No, they are prejudiced. And considering all the shit that white people have put black people and other POC through, that prejudice is completely understandable. We know what you have done to us is the past, and we’re scared of what you could do next. Does reverse racism/racism against whites exist at all? Nah, only prejudice. Will this comment get a bunch of hate from offended whites? You can bet your ass it will.

  489. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    August 3, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    “I get the impression you’re just here to complain about black people”

    Nice straw man, there. I just said I love Cyborg but no, it’s because I just really hate black people. What a liberal response, I’m sure your college professor will be really proud at what a parrot you are. FYI, my problem isn’t with black characters, my problem is with hypocrisy, I could just as easily say that YOU have a problem with WHITE people.

  490. Caustic
    Caustic
    August 3, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    You can say you love whatever you want. It doesn’t prove a damn thing on a comment thread. You said yourself that you’re not a fan of comics so why should I believe you?

    All you’ve shown me (ad nausea) is how much you dislike black people, then quickly named the first black superhero you can think of to try to cover it up.

    Ask yourself: why am I doing this? Why am I in a conversation with this person?

    It’s not because you are a fan of the comics, or because you’re upset black people aren’t represented well in culture. It’s not even about hipocrosy in comics, otherwise you’d be calling Tom Hardy’s Bane, Henry Caville’s Superman and Christian Bale’s Batman out for being misrepresentations.

    But you don’t know or care enough to. But hey, this article about a show you don’t even watch gives you avenue to rail against another race for the most pitiful of reasons

    I think I know why you’re here: you’re scared and confused that the world is changing and you can’t comprehend it. So you find some sensationalist article vaguely tied to your hang ups and desperately throw a line out into the void of the Internet in hopes some other scared fool will feed your insecurities. This ain’t the first time either, is it?

    It’s just so damn sad.

  491. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    August 4, 2015 at 10:34 am

    So you think we should just turn existing white characters black to fill a narrative. You think black people can’t stand up on their own, they have to hop onto a white character’s popularity to be successful. I’m amazed at how poorly you think of black people, low expectations is racism.

  492. Caustic
    Caustic
    August 4, 2015 at 11:16 am

    No. I’m saying it doesn’t matter.

    They’re fictional characters. They don’t have a race, they’re concepts.

    When you think of Superman, Batman, James Bond, Harry Potter, Spider-Man. Luke Skywalker, do you think of race? No, because they’re not defined by them as characteristics. They were all made in a time when white was default and as a result are cyphers.

    So who cares the if a character is drawn or cosplayed as a different race than that of their conception?

    You do. Despite not caring about comic books or Steven Universe.

    And for some reason you kept on railing about how black people are responsible for racism when I kept asking about your opinion on the casting of a black man as a white character.

    So yeah, that’s super racist to come into a place talking about something you don’t care about and then go off on black people.

    super racist. Like, I’m pretty sure you’re wearing a cape right now.

  493. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    August 6, 2015 at 9:40 am

    So it’s racist to say we should have original black characters instead of existing characters in black face. You want to talk about Super Racism, how’s about the guy saying black people can’t stand on their own, that they have to live in the shadow of a white man to succeed?

  494. Caustic
    Caustic
    August 6, 2015 at 9:54 am

    Try to stick to one argument please.

    You spent the majority of the conversation explaining to me why racism is black people’s fault and are now trying to make it sound like I’m the racist one for SAYING ITS OKAY FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR TO COSPLAY AS WHITE CHARACTERS AND REIMAGINE WHITE CHARACTERS AS PEOPLE OF COLOR.

    Sorry to yell, but I you seem to have trouble picking up on things.

    There are plenty of great non-white characters out there, and more being made every day, which you wouldn’t know about since you’re not a fan or comics or cartoons apparently and are just here to complain about black people.

    With cyphers like Batman, Superman, Lex Luthor, Spider-Man, Hulk, James Bond, etc., race is not an aspect of their character. They each represent an aspect of a human condition beyond the confines of cultural differences. No one cares about them.

    Unless you’re some racist dude who goes in the threads about cartoons they don’t watch to complain about black people, I guess.

  495. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    August 7, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    Yet, if a white person wants to cosplay as a person of color or if we took a black character and made them reimagined as white, that’s just super racist. That’s where you draw yourself into a corner because of the hypocrisy.

  496. Caustic
    Caustic
    August 7, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    It *would* be hypocrisy if it weren’t for the monumental difference between the number of white and non-white characters in media.

    I asked you how many black superheroes you could name and you named one, mistakenly identifying a middle eastern character as black as well.

    Seriously, compare the number of fictional protagonists you can name who are black vs the number that you can think of who are white.

    That number is insanely large.

    We already established that characters like Batman and Superman are cyphers. They were created as white because that was default. It was standard for every character at the time. White people are not under-represented in fiction in the slightest.

    As time went on, black, Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, etc – other racses were portrayed more regularly in media, even taking on protagonist roles. Those characters were adored by the communities they represented. Just look up Speedy Gonzales.

    This representation is still a relatively new concept, though. Even if every new protagonist created from now on was a person of color, it would still be *decades* before we reached some sort of equilibrium.

    And I imagine this idea frightens you. Imagine a world where you never saw a white character be a hero, always regulated to a supporting or villainous role. That was a serious reality until just recently.

    That’s why it an issue to whitewash a character, its taking something specifically meant to represent a group that is under represented and taking that away from them.

    There are a nauseating number of white characters to cosplay and draw. It’s not a drop in the bucket to portray them as a person of color. Unfortunately, its a larger percentage when it happens the other way around.

    And as I mentioned, new black characters are being made every day. It’s going to be a while before the number made is going to be anywhere close to that of the number of white characters, but its a start.

    Even then, you can’t stop a black man from loving Superman. And you shouldn’t, https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f859b6cbffab5c5386c4e9e97614d25c4c11753cef020e0c92a9c60f369b4e65.jpg some of that cosplay is awesome!

  497. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    August 8, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    So it’s okay for their to be a double standard because the ratios aren’t the same. That’s what you’re telling me here. Screw white people, it’s their fault for being in the majority. As if white people can somehow control the color of their skin any more than black people can.

  498. Caustic
    Caustic
    August 8, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    Well, white people could control a culture of subjugation, marginalization, and lack of representation. Kinda hard for black people to do so when there had to be an armed integration of schools in the last century.

    You’re really putting up a fuss for *something you admitted you care nothing about.*

    And do try to speed up your responses. I’d like it if you showed me the same courtesy I show you. Thanks.

  499. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    August 10, 2015 at 9:58 am

    Sorry I don’t stay on the internet all day like you, sorry I have actual places to be in my life.

  500. ProxyDoug
    ProxyDoug
    August 10, 2015 at 10:19 am

    Tumblr also attacked a guy that does hentai SFM animations because he made a lesbian character have sex with a guy.

  501. Desi Desu
    Desi Desu
    August 19, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    lol tumblr its so hypocrite, I have seen thousands of pictures with the same situation, only vice versa (black Pearl or Peridot), and no problem.
    But drawn to a white Garnet and everyone loses his head?? lol

  502. Charlton Christian
    Charlton Christian
    August 20, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    I don’t know. You tell me. I’m sure there were plenty. Also, Black Nick Fury is based on the Ultimate Marvel Comics Nick Fury who is guess what? Black

  503. SoundOfRainOnTheRoof
    SoundOfRainOnTheRoof
    August 27, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    So all you have is conjecture and not understanding the very basic concept that it is still a white character being made black. Idiot.

  504. Lucas Worthington
    Lucas Worthington
    August 29, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    Gotta stop you right there. They redesigned him in the Ultimate Marvel series to look like old Sammy before they cast him in the movie, not the other way around.

    Also when you’re looking for something that sticks, it common to go with what sticks. If the people prefer him black, than they’re gonna make him black. This isn’t changing history so that a previous president is black and a black man invented peanut butter. This is a fictitious character whose entire persona and design is completely up to the artistic whim of whoever decides to take the time draw/write/etc him. Or her, or it or whatever.

  505. Caustic
    Caustic
    August 29, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    That’s the point I’m making.

    Most people, particularly those who don’t read the comics, don’t realize that a historically white character has been made black until its pointed out to them. Then it’s suddenly a huge deal despite the people complaining having no interest in the subject matter whatsoever other than the fact that a white character is now black.

  506. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    August 30, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    Because everyone should do some super serious and intensive research whenever they make a piece of fanart for fun, right? Nothing like making fun time sound like work time!

  507. Spandex Bullets
    Spandex Bullets
    August 31, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    1. Search online for the faces of black people
    2. Draw them

    The torture. Anyway, this is an american show, and that becomes part of your audience when you publish artwork like this, so the artist was being unfortunatley naïve.

  508. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    August 31, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    Fanart is meant as an unrestrained reinterpretation of the original artwork. There is no naivety beyond that of the perpetually offended Tumblrinas.

  509. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    September 2, 2015 at 8:32 am

    Caustic, I wouldn’t have a problem with it if YOU didn’t have a problem with someone white cosplaying as a character that isn’t even really black but red tinted but everyone decided is black. You don’t seem to understand the difference between being upset about race and not wanting people to be hypocrites. You seem to think it’s okay to put white people down because you’ve got an inferiority complex, that’s not how equality works and, if you have to put down someone else to feel better about yourself, then that’s YOUR problem.

  510. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    September 2, 2015 at 8:33 am

    There are black people in Congress, there’s a black person as president right this very second. You really don’t think there’s any institutional power that could get set here? And that’s not to mention all the white liberals in charge who’ve got white guilt really bad.

  511. Caustic
    Caustic
    September 2, 2015 at 9:22 am

    What are you doing?

    You already “won” via the fatality of “At least I don’t spend all of my time on the internet.” That was *weeks* ago.

    Are you so hung up on proving how not racist you are that you came back just to have the final final word?

    You’ve already proved how upset you are about black people. If you deleted those comments you might have a foot to stand on. But you are so determined to win an argument that you can’t even see your own hypocrisy. For god’s sake, you’re not even on the original topic anymore!

    I started talking to you because I wanted to understand you. What drove your anger. But now I can see you are just a frustrated child screaming for saliency.

    Congratulations. You “won.” Get over it.

  512. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    September 4, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    Keep using straw man arguments, I know you can’t actually debate legitimately. Keep assuming my problem is with black people, you don’t even know what skin color ‘I’ am so you’re probably accusing me of hating on my own ethnicity. You know what they say about assumptions, they make an ass of u and me.

  513. Caustic
    Caustic
    September 4, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    You might be accusing me of hating mine.

    Again, you won. Get over it.

  514. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    September 4, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    You’re the one whose sole argument is “Yeah? Well…. you just hate black people!”, you’re another typical liberal content on playing the race card because to try to shame the other guy.

  515. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    September 4, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    You’re the one resorting to the race card like a true liberal.

  516. Caustic
    Caustic
    September 4, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    You’re using Liberal like it’s an insult.

    I don’t care what you’re political leanings are, but you seem like a dick. The kind that would get into an argument with someone about a post you made 5 months ago. Then keep going even though you won.

  517. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    September 7, 2015 at 8:09 am

    You’d know all about acting like one, though, wouldn’t you? Accusing me of hating black people just because I don’t want to put existing characters in black face. I didn’t “win” anything because you’re still ignorant enough to think you can just accuse people of discrimination at the drop of a hat.

  518. Caustic
    Caustic
    September 7, 2015 at 11:19 am

    Whatever you say.

  519. Caustic
    Caustic
    September 17, 2015 at 6:15 am

    Whatever you say.

  520. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    September 17, 2015 at 9:09 am

    You finished yet, pumpkin?

  521. Caustic
    Caustic
    September 17, 2015 at 9:44 am

    Sure

  522. Nick
    Nick
    September 17, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    Let Me ask you a quick question. Are you black? Because I can assume that you are not and you are just playing the social justice role. Thats good, we need more people like that here, but at least fight about it where it actually matters, not a picture of a FICTIONAL character that is NOT even human. And all my friends, of different races mind you, have said that this picture is in now way offensive. People need to NOT be so sensitive nowadays, and fight about the things that really matter in REAL LIFE. And also, the crewniverse changed garnets skin color from red to purple to stop all this shit, She is not human, she has no race.

  523. BeatSquadCapitan
    BeatSquadCapitan
    September 18, 2015 at 12:05 am

    This is an old piece, but I think I’ll put my two cents in. Well, first off (and keep in my mind, I’m Black myself), I think it’s 100% okay he drew Garnet as a different color because A) Freedom and B) He did it with the other characters. Second off, while I certainly do think this was overblown, I certainly do understand why some feel this way, it’s just, this is the wrong context for those thoughts.

  524. Joseph Wagner
    Joseph Wagner
    September 27, 2015 at 6:39 pm

    Since Japan is an ethnically homogeneous country, I’m not surprised he wouldn’t know what he’s doing is going to upset people over here. Of course your people aren’t going to give you grief about making Garnet look Japanese; they don’t care.

    Sadly, it doesn’t seem like he learned anything good from this experience.

  525. Lms
    Lms
    October 1, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    He did make a mistake, but I’m glad he learned from it. His world view is broader now that’s he’s seen opinions outside his own culture, and hopefully he won’t make the same mistake again.

  526. Luna Deadheart
    Luna Deadheart
    October 2, 2015 at 1:45 am

    It’s just a drawing……

  527. WakeupGrandOwl
    WakeupGrandOwl
    October 5, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    You should stop talking.

  528. WakeupGrandOwl
    WakeupGrandOwl
    October 5, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    They’re all too stupid and privileged to understand what you’re saying. It’s a lost cause.

  529. WakeupGrandOwl
    WakeupGrandOwl
    October 5, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    They aren’t white either, genius. They are mean to be Asian. Light skin does not equal Caucasian, nor do the myriad of rainbow eyes and skin they use on their characters. Yellow haired Sailor moon is as Japanese as raven haired Mars.

  530. WakeupGrandOwl
    WakeupGrandOwl
    October 5, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    What the fuck are you on about?

  531. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    October 6, 2015 at 11:33 am

    “You should stop talking, because I don’t like facts”

  532. Mr.Sixes
    Mr.Sixes
    October 27, 2015 at 1:47 am

    If it’s Queen Usagi then no.

  533. Mr.Sixes
    Mr.Sixes
    October 27, 2015 at 1:47 am

    She’s blondehaired & blue eyed and technically from the moon, she’s not Japanese.

  534. Dom1
    Dom1
    October 29, 2015 at 11:44 am

    Too bad Garnet is actually a dark pink collor and not fucking black. But hey, fuck logic i guess. I can’t believe people are shitting on Gashi, that dude does good shit.

  535. The Dubious Doctor Squeeb
    The Dubious Doctor Squeeb
    October 31, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    Don’t take tumblr for the thoughts of actual people. Everyone knows Tumblr is a hugbox nest of oversensitive, self-righteous crybabies. i’m black. I don’t care about what an artist decides to do with his drawing as long as it’s not some kind of offensive crap, and i think more people should take this stance on such things. What this artist did was add his/her own style when changing the way the hair looked and everything. It’s an anime artstyle, not the one on SU.It’s called *artistic liberty*, look it up kids.

  536. wakeupkent
    wakeupkent
    November 3, 2015 at 8:26 am

    So turning a historically white character like Johnny Storm black is a new and interesting take on an old character which is sure to breathe new life into the series… (except it didn’t and the movie bombed)
    But depicting a character with dark red skin as having light red skin, and straightening her hair causes people lose their shit. Thumbs up, world.

  537. Gabriella Creighton
    Gabriella Creighton
    November 3, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    He’s Japanese, he didn’t even think about racial issues as a Westerner because he doesn’t live in a country that considers that a problem. It’s kind of insane, before the commentary came out about it I actually thought it was a more Latino look than “white”. It’s clear what he was going for, a Japanese interpretation, which usually looks like this, it’s more about the aesthetics and color styling than any other considerations. I think people need to chill out a little bit and reconsider when they’re going to raise these kinds of arguments.

    I don’t like arguing about racism. I feel like attacking people and protesting every time there’s even a slight possibility someone does something wrong just helps perpetuate the negative feelings and hatred between various groups. We’re not going to ever get to be a truly free and equal society until we start letting go of the hatred and moving on.

    This is why I don’t like these kinds of events, not because they’re wrong, or that I disagree with the principals put forth, but because all I see is continued hostility, not any attempts to make real equality. Shove equality down people’s throats and they’ll never want it. You need people to choose to change on their own power or it’ll never be genuine. You can’t beat oppression with more oppression.

  538. Kosse Moore
    Kosse Moore
    November 3, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    cept, garnet isnt even black, shes a rock.

  539. Mark C. Dudley
    Mark C. Dudley
    November 3, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    White people complain all the time.

  540. Mark C. Dudley
    Mark C. Dudley
    November 3, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    Great point

  541. Mark C. Dudley
    Mark C. Dudley
    November 3, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    My issue is aside from name anime characters are seldom japanese.

  542. Mark C. Dudley
    Mark C. Dudley
    November 3, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    When whites think they are treated unfairly the entire world hears about it. Because of slavery and colonialixstion give whites unearned privilage in this world things are always unequal.

  543. Mr.Sixes
    Mr.Sixes
    November 3, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    It’s a mixed bag, stuff like love Hina is firmly in Japan, same with Negima just with some elements of multicultural. The ones that don’t make sense are stuff like Naruto where people with natural Blonde hair, blue eyes and otherwise look European and North West Asian traits have super traditional Japanese names. It’s almost an avatar the last Airbender situation where 95% of the cast are clearly suppose to be some elements of East Asian /Eskimo and everyone acts like that’s super progressive

  544. Mark C. Dudley
    Mark C. Dudley
    November 3, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    I agree

  545. Jason Lawhorne
    Jason Lawhorne
    November 3, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    Um Garnet is actually reddish purle, also she is actually a pair of lesbian space rocks.

  546. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    November 3, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    Especially liberal white people, they complain on behalf of other ethnic groups. If you think about it, it’s kind of demeaning to tell another ethnic group what should be offending them.

  547. loserville
    loserville
    November 3, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    I personally don’t believe it’s getting out of hand. The creators give us something that represents how people in the u.s look like. Dark skin, large lips, and a natural afro. There’s artists out there who for some reason are afraid of this and make the character look white. That is a serious insult to the audience since they decide to draw the only character that have these features and can be assumed to be black away and put it in their white army. As if we didn’t already have white characters everywhere you look. The artists are getting these reviews and should learn from them instead of going around saying they’ll commit suicide or laughing at the community. And let’s face it, the people who are complaining about how we’re over reacting and is getting out of hand are white and can’t see the problem through their ignorant eyes. You all white people need to stop.

  548. Artatmusic
    Artatmusic
    November 3, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    Garnet isn’t even black. She is a reddish color so that it matches her gem. Just like how amethyst is purple, Lapis is blue, and Peridot is green.

  549. Amber D. White
    Amber D. White
    November 3, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    In all honesty, this all “Race” thing is pissing me off. People should draw whatever they want and people should cosplay whoever they want.
    Did the Creators of SU even say Garnet was black? I don’t think so.
    Besides.. Garnet doesn’t even have black skin! She has pink skin!
    And one other fact.
    Japanese don’t even have white skin and most of the Japanese in anime have white skin so what’s the point in bitching about a Japanese guy putting the characters in anime style, knowing full well, Japanese make Japanese characters white-skinned?
    People these days are so childish.

    I personally love this fanart. It’s great and beautiful.

  550. Tee
    Tee
    November 4, 2015 at 5:34 am

    Unfortunately for him, whether he had the purest intentions or not when depicting Garnet he should have kept her the way it was. If you love something and you are showing a tribute…why change it? Why completely reface the image to become something completely different than what you say you love?. Japan has a high level of anti dark skin mind-set, despite Africa being so heavily grounded in their roots and for those who do not know. Do a little research because I think most of Japan is oblivious, even their first shogun who led was an African, those who visited japan from other lands would account the people as having coarse hair, dark skin and then some. After European introduction to Japan they begun to heavily white face their works and develop an anti dark skin frame of mind. I love cosplay but hate the limitations of black characters, I’d rather not don a blonde wig or what have you and I sure as hell won’t do white face or white skin. An example of race issues: Yoruichi from Bleach, I’d say she was black, now there are major debates over her being from a latter of cultures that ahum…have african roots but they are so hell bent on avoiding to say she is black. Most black characters I come across are this ignorant stereotypical look and there is no way in hell I’d accept this. A character which is a rare gem being black is Aveline de Grandpre from Assassins Creed.

  551. C.A.G
    C.A.G
    November 4, 2015 at 7:38 am

    the art looks fine to me. people are just over sensitive about it in my opinion. and then there are those who claim to represent a community when they really don’t. look at it this way: all art in the world is offensive, all art is going to offend at least someone. remember, that you are not making this art just for those people or those who don’t like it, but for a large range of people. also know that not everyone you claim this art will offend is actually going to be offended, there are black people who are fine with this. if you don’t like it or it offends you then leave and find art you do like, that you want and let those who do like this art look at it instead. this art is not messing with your precious representation of people with different skin colours at all, as all you have to do is find an artist who gave garnet the correct look and suddenly, there you have it, your black representation is back. or just watch the show, fan art has not altered her in show appearance. artists have freedom of artistic expression and style, and to me and possibly others, all some seem to be doing is policing and restricting it. like I said, don’t like, don’t look at it. If you have a problem with what I have said, complain to someone who will care and listen.

  552. Muhammad Idrous Ishaaq
    Muhammad Idrous Ishaaq
    November 4, 2015 at 10:12 am

    Yeah but when you look at animes like Naruto you’ve got characters with green and pink hair from birth or red and purple eyes, that is definitley not trying to look “European” I think the true purpose is to make them more colourful or identifiable, it’s not really a race thing.

  553. Mr.Sixes
    Mr.Sixes
    November 4, 2015 at 10:37 am

    So they’re all various shades of asian? If white people pulled the same sh*** they’d get lynched HARDD!

  554. Webby Webbs
    Webby Webbs
    November 4, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    “The worst pattern that comes from this is: drawing a black character
    brings all kinds of criticism. It makes you stop doing that entirely,”
    said a fellow doujin artist on Twitter, when responding to Gashi-Gashi. “That’s what it comes to, I think.”

    Unfortunately it seems like this could end up being an unintended
    effect. If so many bottlenecks are presented, so many stipulations and
    limits imposed on artists in interpreting black characters, why bother?
    Your creativity is being actively limited, and that should never
    happen.

    And to add to that, I didn’t picture this artist’s Garnett as not black simply because of a hairstyle change and difference in complexion. But the complaints of her suddenly “becoming white” are a very ego-driven Western complaint, given this is a Japanese artist, and if anything Garnett looks slightly more Japanese in their interpretation.

    Then again there is a big problem with many Westerners who see almost every anime character as Caucasian in the first place, but that’s a discussion for another time.

  555. Webby Webbs
    Webby Webbs
    November 4, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    So you’ve never seen Italians? People don’t seem to have a problem with them, or Greeks, both of whom are traditionally darker than say Britains or Swedes.

    Just admit you have no idea what you’re crying about and are just fussing to fuss, and be done with it.

  556. Mr.Sixes
    Mr.Sixes
    November 4, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    Not crying or fusing about nothing. Also what are you talking about with italians? I’m talking about within an animated show.

  557. Eric Melody
    Eric Melody
    November 4, 2015 at 11:31 pm

    Honestly, I feel he was not in the wrong at all. Firstly let me start by saying “Garnet” while yes has the qualities of being a black and beautiful female cartoon character it just can’t be proven. Her voice actress is black but as far as the character itself we can’t be certain. Garnet can be White, Asian, or heck even Latin for all we know. So it really wouldn’t matter to much about what skin color you give her. I love Garnet I really do but at the end of the day it is just a cartoon character. People around the world have made tons of fanfics and drawn tons of characters in so many different ways and most of the time the character traits and the appearances are all wrong. What does it matter if her skin color is lighter than normal. Secondly this amazing artist should not have to see such rude remarks on his amazing drawing he did with his own two hands. The drawing alone should tell people that he has a love for the show and the characters. That should be all that matters. I respect this dude and his art. Thirdly an artist should be able to draw whatever character he wants the way he see fit. It is a free world and small stuff like this is not gonna end the planet. As a black American I love to see almost any black character that is depicted as a strong, independent, and highly intelligent black character, especially in cartoons. However I also love to see people’s different depictions of the characters as well. I love to see the art and creative spin that people can put on that character (In a positive way of course). Garnet has been drawn and depicted as a white female before with lighter skin and smoother and different hairstyles. Why is that when someone who like this guys draws a character like garnet differently he is the only one that gets put under the bus for it? I have seen too many different depictions of garnet on google so the people criticizing this man are wrong not him. Keep doing what your doing dude, I would love to see more of your art.

  558. Ilina-Selene Hawkins-Young
    Ilina-Selene Hawkins-Young
    November 5, 2015 at 3:03 am

    funny thing, the only way the races will truly be Equal, is if as people we take race out of the Equation. in Britain, you aren’t seen as the color of your skin, you are Seen as a British Citizen and your skincolor isn’t brought up

    England needs no special grants based on Race and Gender.

    the big problem with America, is they have grants and fee waivers and even quotas, which wouldn’t be needed if they removed race from the Equation

    America, i don’t care what race you are, you are an American. yeah, i’m a mute little girl. i’m not any specific nationality, i am a literal american mongrel.

    guess what, most americans are mixed from a variety of nationalities and lineages, with this melting pot of culture, we should just remove race from the equation.

  559. Ilina-Selene Hawkins-Young
    Ilina-Selene Hawkins-Young
    November 5, 2015 at 3:29 am

    the only way Racism will truly disappear, is if we stop making accommodations for the different races and sexes.

    while i am fine with Charity grants for the impoverished, i would look at something from England as an example

    in England, your biological nationality isn’t even listed on your medical forms as something to fill, there, you are an English Citizen, regardless of the color of your skin and even regardless of what genetic combination you are

    in America, we make the mistake of Seperating things by race, offering help to Races we feel to need it. labeling them “minorities”, and well, we still have a lot of social justice warriors, in fact, the level of discrimination is the reverse of what it was 50 years ago. different “minorities” have special grants and quotas at every corporation and college they have to fill.

    my suggestion, we should do what England did, take Race out of the Damned Equation. though my skin is paler than even the palest of dungeon slaves, i’m technically not even really white, i’m a mongrel, just like just about every other human on this planet. really, racial identity based on skin color should really just go the way of the dodo, because well, people on this world have swapped their genes with somebody of just about every nationality for many milleniums

    even all the romans, hell, the babylonians were genetically mixed from many parts. meaning, pureblooded heritages of one specific race or bloodline haven’t really existed for multiple millenia

    i have ancestors from every country in Europe, from the pale Vikings and Saxons, to the Dark People of the Mediterranian, i have ancestors from north and south america who were descended from people of Asia who went east on the land bridge from Russia into Alaska before settling in the americas

    i have Egyptian and Even Turkish from the Romans mingling with the Egyptians and the Turks

    i have Japanese from some of the Italians and Dutch in my family who mingled with the Japanese

    Both Genetically and Culturally, i am a Mongrel, just as much a Mongrel as any other human on this world.

    because of this, i don’t beleive in Genetic Races, Race is purely a Cultural Construct, what i fear, is not people of a specific color, but people of specific aggressive cultures

    i would Fear a Thug or Gangster Regardless of the Color of their Skin. a Bandit is a Bandit, the acts of murder, rape, and pillaging are done by people of every culture.

    the color of one’s skin might as well be purely cosmetic, while there are skincolors i find cosmetically more attractive to breed with, that is purely an aesthetic choice. much like how i like Elves better than Dwarves in an RPG because as a small girl, i like the lithe figure.

    i do try to not assign roles based on skin color, i assign them based on patterns i experience with the individual.

  560. Jaime Stillwell
    Jaime Stillwell
    November 5, 2015 at 12:36 pm

    I heard that black characters are harder to draw because of different shading and a lot of anime is a style that, say, in Black and white Manga, having a black character is pretty much impossible and when they turn it into anime, the characters are just pretty much white. It’s not even a fact as if that character is colored or not. They may talk with an accent but when styled over, they just keep the white from the manga. It’s not a race thing and people are just looking to be offended. That being said, I like all differnt color people cosplaying! I love to see the variety and the people representing their favorite characters.

  561. Ashley
    Ashley
    November 5, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    But she isn’t black she is an alien…..

  562. Raykel White
    Raykel White
    November 9, 2015 at 4:58 am

    Whelp as a Black chick myself, who was SUPER happy to see Garnet’s character design, when I first saw this picture I was like, “No! No! It’s ‘The Last Airbender’ all over again. You see as a Black person, no as a Black person who likes anime and cartoons its kind of hard to find characters that look similar to me. Not to say I can’t relate to characters who don’t look like me but it’s just rare to find them. I’m always being made to think ‘White’ is default. I know why this is but it’s still kind of sad.

    Garnet’s character design is refreshing to say the least. So I understand the anger. I’m very protective of Garnet’s character design and I cherish it. She’ll always be a special character to me. However this person who drew Garnet in that way…they’re not me and don’t share these same feelings obviously. They probably don’t have to deal with this stuff so it’s unrealistic to expect them to understand. I don’t think this person should have been thrown to the tumblr mob. lol. It’s typical of an artist to give their own interpretation.
    I’ll say this though, his version is….quite dull in comparison to the original. :D

  563. HiYung
    HiYung
    December 28, 2015 at 8:24 am

    There’s plenty of racism in Britain, n Islamophobia. Educate yourself on systemic racism, colorism n other biases.

  564. Muhammad Idrous Ishaaq
    Muhammad Idrous Ishaaq
    January 3, 2016 at 2:49 am

    X-Men, Jem and the Holograms, the Simpsons, oh yeah a bunch of white people definitely want to be Asians, so how many characters on that show have yelllow skin?

  565. Benjamin Eugene NElson
    Benjamin Eugene NElson
    January 14, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    That is not true at all.

    If a black person says that white people hate them because all whites hate blacks that is racism against white.

    It’s true that there’s no institutional racism against whites, but that doesn’t mean there’s no racism at all.

  566. Lord Proteus
    Lord Proteus
    January 29, 2016 at 7:03 am

    You are, ironicly, being racist towards white people.

  567. Lord Proteus
    Lord Proteus
    January 29, 2016 at 7:05 am

    You’re confirming that you are a blatant troll who is just baiting these people.

  568. Lord Proteus
    Lord Proteus
    January 29, 2016 at 7:09 am

    Ironically the most racist thing of all is accusing someone of being guilty of a crime committed by their ancestors hundreds of years ago. The people of today had nothing to do with the people of the past.

  569. Inugirl
    Inugirl
    February 1, 2016 at 12:24 am

    Right, that could be true to some extent but let me say that being white doesn’t matter if you’ve lived your childhood in poverty and went to a joke of school for grade school. Whites were the minority there and they mostly ignored my existence except to gossip. I was in honors classes but so many more colored kids were smarter, got more scholarships and went to better colleges. The field I wish to go in is filed with Asians and Indians whose races are known for being good with technology, and I have no doubt they could easily pass my application over in favor of some one of their nationality. Being white might have kept eyes of me in stores but it never helped the other kids from snickering or avoiding me or worse the incessant bullying in middle school, I’m sure my whiteness put a target on my back. It never kept food on the table and being a female going into computers won’t do me many favors in getting a job. Yeah I’ve sure felt that privilege you made such a fuss about.

  570. randel55
    randel55
    February 3, 2016 at 7:58 am

    What? I just made a joke. I’m not bating anyone.

    I’m not that other guy. Check my username.

  571. Benjamin Eugene NElson
    Benjamin Eugene NElson
    February 12, 2016 at 12:24 am

    Perhaps those black kids were smarter and more motivated than you? Without more data we can’t be sure.

  572. Krill
    Krill
    February 22, 2016 at 7:39 am

    Haha

    The racism in Britain is just repackaged, as “concern” over “immigrants stealing our jobs and our culture”. There’s plenty of islamophobia, and just plain racism towards muslim people.

    Skin colour is brought up a lot. Slurs are still used. People are still harassed. It’s just more common, a bit more subtle, so it isn’t brought up as much.

    My father, for example, believes that black people are uncivilised, and muslim people are trying to “steal away our culture”. He’s English.

  573. Kasey Fox
    Kasey Fox
    March 22, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    Garnet is obviously modeled after a black woman. From her skin to her lips to her hair to her voice actress, it all screams African heritage. This artist literally kept Amethyst purple but somehow had a problem with Garnet’s skin resembling that of a black person. And for those of you wondering why this is such a big deal, it is because black women (and people of color in general) have such a minimal role in mainstream media that we cannot sacrifice the little representation they do have without taking a huge step backwards, into a world where white men entirely dominated pop culture. This is why it’s okay to have a female Thor or gay Green Lantern–because, like black people, women and gays are not adequately represented in our society. However, if someone were to take a character that already represents a minority and turn them instead into a standard light skinned/male/straight character, that would hinder progress towards a more inclusive world. We need to move forward as a society in order to include all people of every race, gender, sexuality, etc in our pop culture, and not give in to the idea that it is perfectly normal to have a cast full of light skinned straight men.

  574. Kasey Fox
    Kasey Fox
    March 22, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Wow! Almost like doing that would invalidate the character’s sexual orientation and reinforce the notion that homosexuality is a choice and everyone is inherently straight!

  575. Kasey Fox
    Kasey Fox
    March 22, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    STOP ACTING LIKE RACISM DOESN’T EXIST IN ENGLAND YOU PRIVILEGED TWAT. IGNORING THE PROBLEM DOESN’T MAKE IT GO AWAY IT JUST MAKES YOU AN IGNORANT PIECE OF TRASH.

  576. Dimitri
    Dimitri
    March 28, 2016 at 10:33 am

    tell that to the jews then and the irish and all the other white countries that have racism in their country

  577. Dukeofnachos
    Dukeofnachos
    April 6, 2016 at 2:28 am

    There are so many people in the comments that don’t seem to understand scale and context. Since tumblr is the start of the subject here, lets talk about it like a post once did.

    You’re putting out snacks for a bunch of kids, and you’re giving them bowls of m&ms. There’s a white kid, a black kid, a hispanic kid, an asian kid and a muslim kid. You fill up the white kid’s bowl, but you barely give the black kid any, and you give the rest of them even less than that. It’s really not fair, is it? No. So you go and redistribute some of the m&ms. You give some to the rest of them. That’s a good thing, right? Everyone is closer to having a fair share. But sometimes, someone wants to take candy from the other kids’ bowls, and put them into the white bowl. That makes no sense at all, does it? There’s already so much there for that kid, so why would you take away from someone who already doesn’t have a lot?

    A black Spider-man here and a muslim Miss Marvel there doesn’t hurt anyone. Recoloring Garnet as anything other than black does. And yes, Garnet is black. She’s coded to be black, her voice actor is black, and it doesn’t matter that she’s an alien space rock made of two smaller space rocks because she’s obviously meant to look like a black person. To say any different is lying to yourself.

    TL;DR whitewashing is bad, representation is good, and don’t ever actually give children bowls of m&ms if you want to keep your house.

  578. Gabby Caron
    Gabby Caron
    April 8, 2016 at 1:06 am

  579. Chase Miller
    Chase Miller
    May 4, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    Are you suggesting black people can’t be racist and shouldn’t be held accountable to their actions purely because of the color of their skin? Wow, that sounds pretty racist. It’s like they’re not people in your eyes

  580. Chase Miller
    Chase Miller
    May 4, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    It’s not exactly a melting pot of cultures. Many people refuse to assimilate and try to use their leverage in the electorate to gain special privileges.

    Purely American culture developed from classical liberal ideals out of the enlightenment. America was the only place where a majority of the ideals caught on with the intellectual and political class. Race shouldn’t matter, but culture definitely should, some cultures are better than others. I always find it so appalling that even European countries have severe restrictions on free speech.

  581. Chase Miller
    Chase Miller
    May 4, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    Well Islam, and especially Arab-Islamic culture (which corrupted and supplanted the better cultures of places like Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc), is definitely a worse culture than British culture. And by worse, I mean worse for fitness, probably the only real measure of morality

  582. pandora delphy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵃᶜᵘᶰᵗ
    pandora delphy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵃᶜᵘᶰᵗ
    May 7, 2016 at 3:29 pm

    You need to sit down and hush, little man. No one cares about your opinions. We really don’t.

  583. pandora delphy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵃᶜᵘᶰᵗ
    pandora delphy✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈᵃᶜᵘᶰᵗ
    May 7, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    Your tone sounds very pointed. Are you autistic?

  584. Benjamin Eugene NElson
    Benjamin Eugene NElson
    May 8, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    You realize that “institutional” means “tradition” as much as it means “the people in charge.” right?

  585. Benjamin Eugene NElson
    Benjamin Eugene NElson
    May 8, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    So if a black man says “all white people hate blacks because of what they did to us.” That’s not racist at all?

    You’re confusing racism and institutional racism, Dob.

  586. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    May 11, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    Okay, let’s talk about tradition. The first slave owner in the United States was black and the black slave trade came from purchasing slaves from African slave owners who… drum roll please? Were also dark skinned! If you really want to talk about traditional oppression, the Jews have had that in spades, from the Egyptians to WWII Germany.

  587. Benjamin Eugene NElson
    Benjamin Eugene NElson
    May 17, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    You’re sounding like you’re saying whites weren’t involved with the slave trade at all. You realize that right?

  588. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    May 21, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    I’m saying that whites weren’t only involved, suggesting that it was all whites is bullshit, other ethnic groups have blood on their hands as well. Nobody can truly say their ancestors never did any messed up shit.

  589. Tiny ice ghost mom fan
    Tiny ice ghost mom fan
    May 23, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    The thing is, racism is taken differently in a lot of countries. Another example of whats going on, a girl cosplayed as garnet who had blonde hair and blue eyes and gave her self a temporary different shade of skin. In a non-mocking way. Someone got mad at her for black face but people defended her saying she didn’t know better because of her location. Black face over here (the u.s) is usually used to mock and is inappropriate because of our past. Living in a country that has not had issues like this before and where racism is not as big of a deal, this isn’t as inappropriate.

    People don’t always know any better. And it all depends on context. If the person states that they are doing this to mock a race, culture, ect. then you are on a totally different side of the tracks .

  590. ShikaSaku NaraHaru
    ShikaSaku NaraHaru
    June 12, 2016 at 10:30 am

    We all know skin color is an extremely touchy subject. Beyond gender and sex, skin color has had a major effect on nearly everything in America. Whitewashing is very much real and offensive. Like gods of Egypt. Egyptians are AFRICAN for them to be depicted with white skin is like saying melanin is gross or something along those lines. How I feel when I see this it’s like “they’re” (whoever “they” are) are trying to erase my people. My culture. My ancestry. Gashi Gashi thinks it’s the difference in values but its more than that… It’s us. Its our history. To finally be something in a world that hates us because of our skin color. We have little and what we do have it gets taken… But thats just my personal feelings on the subject.

  591. Fernando Sinclair
    Fernando Sinclair
    June 17, 2016 at 1:05 pm

    Is there no place safe from the feminist spawn known as SJW’s? I can definitely see why a lot of people are just going off the grid these days, especifically males.

  592. Amoridere
    Amoridere
    June 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    Frankly, I’m not particularly sure as to what the issue about the fanart is, considering that Garnet isn’t even human, so, that being as said, she doesn’t really have a race besides, well, “gem”, as per the show.

    Sure, she has dark skin and an afro, which are typically considered “black traits” (I am black, as well, and I can tell you that much ), but the fact of the matter is that she isn’t human and thus wouldn’t go by that (gems can change their appearance if they so please, i.e, Amethyst does as was seen in some episodes), thus that is the form she commonly tends to take.

    I mean, if you were to give her a race by human standards, then, well, you could call her race “garnet”, as she is named, and “garnet” is probably considered a race of gem (in much the same way of amethyst, pearl, ruby, diamond, or whatever are) ,not black, white, or whichever.

    Likewise, Rebecca Sugar never said she was black or anything like that and neither do I think Sugar intended for her to be, so calling her a “black” character is something of a stretch based on the likewise bit and the aforementioned.

    While we’re on the subject, people draw some characters in anime-esque/comicbook style or their own personal styles all the time and, yet, no one makes a big stink of them doing that. The fact that this guy does what several other fanartists do makes this all the more puzzling that he called on it, when others aren’t.

    That being as said, the controversy over a bit of fanart doesn’t make much of any sense.

    Can we just bond over the fact that the artwork looks nice and the fact that he’s a fan of the show?

  593. CGags1789
    CGags1789
    June 26, 2016 at 1:15 am

    Um. She’s not black or white. In fact they don’t have a race at all. Their skin is ALSO based off their gem color. Garnet is a combination of Ruby(red) and Sapphire(blue) which then actually makes her purple. Granted it does lean more towards a redder color but again isn’t a race. If race is what you want in this type of thing then she’s Alien. She’s not a human thus has no human sub race and is just ‘Alien’.

  594. dongboi88
    dongboi88
    July 25, 2016 at 11:29 am

    You’re right! Let’s remove the gargantuan amounts of erotic art of
    canonically straight male characters having sex with other males on
    every single pornographic site in existence. Because clearly it’s incredibly offensive art
    that somehow promotes homosexuality as a choice in the minds of those
    view it, and not just a fantasy that people enjoy experiencing.

  595. Jeanne Richard
    Jeanne Richard
    August 15, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    As for Garnet’s actual race, she’s a gem, same as Pearl and Amethyst. They aren’t black or white, they’re gem. Garnet’s skin is literally the color of a certain specific variety of garnet, I’ve color matched her tone before to an actual pantone value and it was in the red/pink spectrum, not brown. She’s voiced by a black woman, a very talented one, but that doesn’t make any of the gems automatically black or white. They resemble us and give anyone the chance to look up to them as a role model, regardless of race or skin color.

  596. Ryan Pfeiffer
    Ryan Pfeiffer
    September 18, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    Wtf? She’s red and he made her red. What’s the difference? If he were drawing them as humans and he made her white it would be weird, but they’re still gems and she’s still red.

  597. NekoGamingPrincess
    NekoGamingPrincess
    November 20, 2016 at 12:26 am

    Lmao, how much do you want to bet that I, a pro-black African American would get called racist if I drew Garnet lighter on Tumblr?
    I mean, I post about equality and shit on my account, but when Garnet gets a little lighter, all that goes in the trash.

  598. NekoGamingPrincess
    NekoGamingPrincess
    November 20, 2016 at 12:35 am

    Excuse me, Dobrushin, to comment on your earlier posts on whites cosplaying blacks and being accepted.
    That’s actually not true.
    There are numerous cases of white people painting their skin dark to cosplay Garnet and SJWs trying a little too hard to defend blacks attacked them and called them racist for it.
    Both races won’t be accepted for it.
    Tumblr isn’t a great example as a racist place.
    Social Justice Warriors are everywhere and if you say something that even sounds racist in a popular post, the passive pro-blacks and the shouting SJWs appear.
    Hell, even I pop up a few times when it really pisses me off, which a lot of racist posts do.
    You shouldn’t really worry about racism that much unless it directly affects your life because that’s when you have to get help or try your best to fix it.
    If it doesn’t involve you, someone will come in to fix their ignorance themselves.
    If not, you can step in and do it, actually.
    Free country.
    Rant over.

  599. NekoGamingPrincess
    NekoGamingPrincess
    November 20, 2016 at 12:39 am

    One last point, there are no black people in anime because they are rare in Asian countries. Ever heard of MilesJai? If I remember correctly, he didn’t see that many black people there, excluding his own friends. They were all fascinated with his skin color because it’s rarely seen and is known as a Western thing. They try to keep it in Japanese culture in Anime and that means people are mostly Asian, not black, not white.
    (This was a random reply, not actually to you, David–
    I’m a noob, just noticed that the reply went to certain places)

  600. NekoGamingPrincess
    NekoGamingPrincess
    November 20, 2016 at 12:43 am

    Can I point out how ironic this was–
    I doubt this will be replied to because this is an old thread, but you continued to go on with the argument–
    Caustic was DONE arguing, but you continued–
    They even told you to get over it and that they were done, like, c’mon bro, be cool
    Lmao, not really taking this seriously though
    You’re not shouting or blocking, so I think it’s fine

  601. Isabel Del Carmen García Oliva
    Isabel Del Carmen García Oliva
    December 1, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    Why would an artist feel the need to erase a character’s blackness completely just to feel comfortable drawing them… Not like it was okay to attack or harass them for it, but really? T_T
    It’s not so hard to keep a black representing character black, there are a lot of reference kits and tutorials to draw black traits…
    Not only did the artist rip her of her dark skin, but she also drew her afro as straight hair, and drew amethyst, who is a fat character with no boobs, as an overly sexualized thin fan-service monster… Like, the more I stare at this drawing, the more I lose my faith on humanity lol
    Not being able to draw POC traits shows an non-versatile, inflexible and stubborn artist. Every artist knows that experimenting and trying to draw different things is the key to developing your art

  602. Marty Dinkleberg
    Marty Dinkleberg
    December 9, 2016 at 2:45 am

    Wow, you’re fucking stupid, you know that?

    Seriously, go neck yourself and stop wasting oxygen.

  603. Marty Dinkleberg
    Marty Dinkleberg
    December 9, 2016 at 2:50 am

    Wow, i’m seriously puzzled by the amount of SJWs in this comment section.

    Go fuck all of yourselves, you’re disgusting, stop wasting oxygen and please abort yourselves.

  604. Benjamin Eugene NElson
    Benjamin Eugene NElson
    December 10, 2016 at 9:36 am

    Wow Marty, what a witty and clever response.

    Trying to decapitate me with that edge?

    Anyone can be racist irregardless of their color.

    There is a difference between racism and institutional racism though, as I said.

  605. Becca
    Becca
    May 22, 2017 at 9:57 pm

    I know this is old but you do know Marvel has a shit ton of Female and POC characters but people like you don’t actually go looking for them and raising the demand for them.

    Captain Marvel started as a male character but guess what Miss Marvel became insanely popular and turned into Captain Marvel, because the fans loved her character so much.

    So hunt out them minority Marvel heroes, make them popular and maybe comics will get life instead of retreading dull and uninteresting ground.

  606. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    May 29, 2017 at 11:05 am

    What a hentai artist does, doesn’t do that at all.

  607. NeoTechni
    NeoTechni
    May 29, 2017 at 11:07 am

    That’s not the definition of racism, that’s the definition of classism. Racism is discrimination based on race and race alone. Power isn’t a factor, if it was, you’ve made it so only whites can be victims cause the power to discriminate with impunity would be one everyone else has

    Reverse racism isn’t real because it’s just racism

  608. MosesZD
    MosesZD
    May 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    No.

    A. Because artists can d*** well do what they want. If they starve because of it, oh well. Spoiled children on the Internet don’t get to control the process or results. And I’m sick and tired of them retreating to their ‘safe-spaces’ and whining about every little thing. Simply put – buy it or move on and save your outrage for important, life-and-death things.

    B. I don’t blame any artist. Because when you write a character not of your race/culture some faction of Tumbrinas on the Internet will try to make your life miserable. So you may as well just erase/adjust everything to your ethnic back-ground/sex and spare yourself the baseless charges of ‘cultural appropriation’ and ‘colonialist-racism.’

  609. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:24 pm

    Whats wrong with changing the colour? According to the shows own mythos, they dont have race or gender. The hypocrisy of the millennial sjws who seem to populate the SU fandom, is staggering. You just know the sjws are dying to call the Japanese artist a racist but they cant cos he’s not a white European male lol. That only works when applied to evul cis whitey masculine dudes.

  610. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    so why do black people always call me cracker or ghost, or white motherfucker? Any race or tribe or group can be racist, any race or tribe or group ca be the victim of racism. The fact you ascribe to the belief that only whites can ever be racist but never the victim of racism…is racist.

  611. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    the slave trade was mostly owned by Ashkenazi jews, (Rebecca Sugar is one of those,she is the degenerate sicko who created SU) they also owned all us white people too, and still do now, meanwhile pocs get to live scott free off our white tax money. And it wasnt whites who sold all those africans into slavery, it was other africans, you really need to check up on history before you start waffling on about shit you clearly know nothing about.

  612. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    suggesting only whites were responsible for slavery, is racist. You should have pointed that bit of hypocrisy out to the sjw.

  613. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    islamophobia? come to the uk and go around the muslim community here and ask their opinion on anything jewish. You will be met with a wall of anti semitism. If people are afraid of muslims, its for a very valid reason. Ask the jews here who live in fear of muslim attack, every day.

  614. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    if you hate life that much, top yourself.

  615. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    so do black people, way way more. they are still moaning about slavery, centuries later.

  616. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    funny how you sjws never accuse japan of racism though.

  617. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    you are full of shit. if you care that much, instead of typing away on here and accomplishing nothing, get out on the street, go and find some evil white racists, and give em a good beating.

    or are you just another keyboard socialist?

  618. Paul Chach Mcarthy
    Paul Chach Mcarthy
    July 13, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    black youth dont watch CN, they are usually too busy, tagging and drug running etc for the Famz, yo.

  619. Mark C. Dudley
    Mark C. Dudley
    July 13, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    Black people complain about slavery because it still effects us. Its called racism and white priviledge and white supremacy. The issue is that many whites consciously or unconsciously believe the world revolves around them and whiteness givez um the license to do whatever whenever and to homever they want as long as they arent white. The comment you just made Paul Chach McCarthy Illustrates,those feelings perfectly.

  620. NekoGamingPrincess
    NekoGamingPrincess
    July 13, 2017 at 11:45 pm

    I never said it wasn’t racist. However, you can’t just say that an entire country is racist, that’s generalization. Smh.

  621. metroidjunkie
    metroidjunkie
    July 19, 2017 at 9:59 am

    Also, you can argue there’s institutionalized racism against white people because of all the extra opportunities and affirmative action that black Americans enjoy. See, that knife cuts both ways and there are special privileges that a certain race can get that another can’t and I’m not referring to white people. When’s the last time a black cop killing a white man made national headlines?

  622. Benjamin Eugene NElson
    Benjamin Eugene NElson
    August 14, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    Of course Paul, perhaps it was the deep state? Or Obama, I bet it was Obama..

  623. queenanise510
    queenanise510
    September 6, 2017 at 2:20 pm

    aww you poor little snowflake

  624. Karamatsu
    Karamatsu
    September 17, 2017 at 7:14 am

    Oh my God sjws are over the f*cking place. Its canon guys, the gems’s skin coloration changes overtime due to lightning. Like have you ever compare how dark Lapis’s tone are supposed to be compared to how whe is now?? And how nobody rarely talks about it just because people rarely seen her as black????? Thanks @ssholes the fandom I am into gets the sh!tty reputation because all of the sh!tstain that happened to it. I hate Tumblr already every now and then the same crap happened to many other fanartist. People can change non-POC peoples to POC but not otherwise but when people get angry over fanartists drawing an extraterresial being with no race and no sex as something they doesn’t want people lose their mind.