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Roguelike DOOM Mod DoomRL Gets Shut Down Threat from Zenimax

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Bethesda and parent company Zenimax are reportedly targeting a fan-made game based on the DOOM franchise.

The game, titled simply DoomRL, is a roguelike experience that uses various Doom figures, from the space marine protagonist to the monsters. This naturally didn’t make Zenimax and Bethesda happy, as the game’s creator Kornel Kisielewicz noted.

“Zenimax have just written to me demanding I take down the DoomRL site,” he said on Twitter, alongside the letter he received from the company.

The company has demanded all references to their game(s) be removed, if not, legal action will come soon afterwards. Many fans of the game pleaded with Kisielewicz, saying to just change the artwork and to move on. Kisielewicz replied saying changing everything over “isn’t that easy.”

He later wrote another response saying “Short version: we’re fucked.”

The more interesting bit from this piece of sad news is that Kisielewicz is working on an entirely new game based on the mechanics seen in DoomRL, featuring new concepts and obviously, nothing that Zenimax or Bethesda could misconstrue as copyright infringement. It’s even set on a different planet in our solar system!

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76 comments
  1. Huen Rakmaaltiv
    Huen Rakmaaltiv
    December 2, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    Now this is just ridiculous, I bet next they’re going to take down Cacowards and a plethora of other community content sites too.

  2. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    December 2, 2016 at 3:20 pm

    Yes because if there’s one thing people know DOOM for it’s shutting down fan projects.

  3. dogmentation
    dogmentation
    December 2, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    Good on him for rolling this momentum into an original project.
    That’s what these folks should do from the beginning: go “Original IP” but leave the backdoor open for modders to simply drop in the graphics and sounds necessary to make it a copyright-infringing title.
    But yeah, Fuck Zenimax. Instead of endorsing it, allowing the project to continue but only strictly at their pleasure, they just kill it off. What were they somehow planning a Doom Roguelike and this hits a little too close to home? It’s just more IP paranoia, and it only serves to alienate their fans.

  4. Minuteworld92
    Minuteworld92
    December 2, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    are they really shutting down a fucking doom mod/fangame?

  5. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 2, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    This is a trademark issue. This retard tied his game to the company Zenimax, so it’s really a legal issue now.

  6. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 2, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    Trademark issue, not copyright. Tying your shit to an existing company without their permission is obligating the company to act.

  7. sanic
    sanic
    December 2, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    Wow Nintendo.being a bitch as per usual.

  8. AT-LOW
    AT-LOW
    December 2, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    For fucks sake. You cannot use the NAME OF AN IP BELONGING TO A MULTI-BILLIONDOLLAR TNC FOR FREE

    When are these guys gonna wise up and stop being retarded?

  9. Lepito
    Lepito
    December 2, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    Might as well shut down doomworld then. What’s next? Take down Batman Doom and Aliens Doom TCs. Just shut the entire fan community down.

  10. Lepito
    Lepito
    December 2, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    DoomRL has been around for years. It uses assets from Doom as well. If they wanted to shut this game down before they had plenty of time to do it and reasons to as well.

    It’s less suspicious to me that this is happening around the time of his Kickstarter, which now contains no references to Zenimax owned IP at all, and more suspicious that they did this when it was nominated for The Game Awards against Brutal Doom.

    I’m not sure about the legality of Doom mods either considering the original licenses, but plenty of highly popular Doom mods over the course of over twenty years have violated trademark and copyright laws. I don’t see Zenimax doing anything about those.

    Sure, legally Zenimax is in the right. They’re still assholes for doing this. It’s whatever, since the more animosity Zenimax generates by fucking over Doom fans is a good thing.

  11. bgrunge
    bgrunge
    December 2, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    The title “DoomRL” predates Zenimax’s ownership of the brand, so no, he didn’t tie his game to Zenimax.

  12. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    December 2, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    They just want the trademarks to be removed, nothing about shutting down the game

  13. 22
    22
    December 2, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    If it’s a fangame, why did you put ‘mod’ in the title? They aren’t interchangeable terms.

  14. Minuteworld92
    Minuteworld92
    December 2, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    I agree, take down all fangames goy. take a shit on everyone that does them

  15. Adohleas
    Adohleas
    December 2, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    I’m confused, is this a mod or a fan-made game?

  16. R.Hoffmann
    R.Hoffmann
    December 2, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    People are way too fast with the fingerpointing at “evil big companies”.

  17. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 2, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    If the shoe fits…

  18. Bitterbear
    Bitterbear
    December 2, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    Everything Nintendo does has an influence over other companies.

  19. bgrunge
    bgrunge
    December 2, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    Then why wasn’t action taken 12 years ago when DoomRL was first made?

  20. Lucky
    Lucky
    December 2, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    Fan-made game. What’s there to be confused about?

  21. Adohleas
    Adohleas
    December 2, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    The topic said mod but also had fan-made in the description. If this was a mod then its dumb for them to take it down, if its a fan-made game then I can see why.

  22. s_fnx
    s_fnx
    December 2, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    Bethesda can s*ck my d*ck.

  23. Lepito
    Lepito
    December 2, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    To be fair, if a company as horrible as Zenimax owned Doom 12 years ago they probably would have.

  24. Lea Pastillaroja
    Lea Pastillaroja
    December 2, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    pfffffff BUAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
    Trying to shut down a Doom mod is like trying to purge porn from the internet
    There are Moonman and hentai mods for Doom out there allready, if Doom mods could simple be shut down those two would have been the first to go
    The only thing they have achived with this is to delay the mod’s release (someone will finish it even if the original dev abandons ship) and loose face with their consummer base

  25. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    December 2, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    It’s not a mod but a actual rougelike why this has triggered Zenimax is beyond me.

  26. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    December 2, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    Right? Too bad that’s not going to stop the flood that is “they have to do this or they’ll lose their trademark!!!!111” narrative.

  27. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    December 2, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    For anyone confused, this isn’t a mod but it did inspire a mod called DoomRL Arsenal.

  28. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 2, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    Written by fanboy retards who have no idea about these games or their communities or the intricacies of the laws they love to bring up in defence of companies being cunts.

  29. GameZard
    GameZard
    December 2, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    In before bethesda corporate slaves damage control.

    Damn I’m too late…

  30. GameZard
    GameZard
    December 2, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    Corporate slaves must defend their masters.

  31. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    December 2, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    They go into a panic if you bring up how Sega never goes after Sonic fan games and hacks and has in fact promoted them and even hired their creators to make official games.

  32. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 2, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    Because they didn’t have a trademark back (id became a subsidiary in 2009) then and there was probably no reference to Zenimax nor any type of Kickstarter plastered on the site.

  33. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 2, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    Agree or not, trademark issues when acknowledged must be pursued unlike patents and copyrights.

  34. bgrunge
    bgrunge
    December 2, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    There is still no reference to zenimax. The same Doom logos he’s using now are the same he was using then.

  35. bgrunge
    bgrunge
    December 2, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    fair enough.

  36. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 2, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    No, Zenimax didn’t have a trademark since they didn’t acquire it until they probably had Id as a subsidiary in 2009 and trademarks must be pursued unlike patents and copyright.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyoYKeOXAAAc_Vg.jpg

    And the kickstarter doesn’t need the references, it itself needs to be put on his site near the references. The author is basically using DoomRL for commercial use at this point.

    Don’t forget they didn’t ask for the game to be taken down, but the references to them, and specifically on his website.

  37. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 2, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    This is showing no understanding of the law.

  38. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 2, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    That’s not how trademarks work.

  39. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    December 3, 2016 at 1:18 am

    Wether you like it or not, that’s actually true.

    You seem to be lumping trademarks in with copyright. The former is very much a ‘use it or lose it’ deal.

    They also expire after only ten years, meaning they must be renewed. You can’t just sit on them for a century like with copyright.

    Copyright and patents are much more lenient, hence why you can have patent trolls pop up out of the blue claiming you infringed on something.

  40. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 3, 2016 at 4:20 am

    Okay, Mr Armchair Lawyer, how many trademark cases have there been where a video game trademark was nullified because they didn’t zealously pursue labours of love by their fans? Surely if these companies have no choice but to shit on their most die-hard fans there’s some well-established precedent that necessitates a disproportionately heavy-handed and rather uncaring approach. Otherwise in a world where companies like Sega seem to be at full liberty to promote fan projects I’m going to assume that it’s a case of corporate lawyers overreaching.

  41. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    December 3, 2016 at 5:43 am

    You know what’s really funny? Somebody calling someone else an armchair lawyer when they’re doing the exact same thing.

    Once again, what you’re referring to is a copyright issue, not trademark.

    Zenimax’s issue is the use of the branding, names and such, that’s it. Other wise they’d be going after projects like Brutal Doom as well.

    Companies like SEGA are in some manner giving consent to use their IP, but not to allude to official sponsoring or commercial purposes.

    Going on a Kickstarter likely caused the issue. One of the Skyrim projects ran into a similar issue if I’m not mistaken.

    Even just taking donations is iffy.

  42. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 3, 2016 at 6:09 am

    Err no, I was explicitly referring to trademark law. Specifically asking you to provide precedent that would justify their actions. Either put up or stop repeating the stupid talking point about the possibility of losing their trademark.

    And at least familiarise yourself with the facts of the matter before running your mouth. The kickstarter was a project distinct from DoomRL that used none of anyone’s IP whatsoever— of no interest to their lawyers. DoomRL is a completely free fangame that enjoyed 14 motherfucking years of existence before Zenimax (appropriate name) fucked them over.

  43. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    December 3, 2016 at 7:01 am

    The stuff relating to SEGA and other companies is copyright, THAT’S why its allowed were this wasn’t.

    You’re right, I concede that I was wrong about the Kickstarter, but I already explained how Zenimax are justified.

    However, while I thought it was the game itself that was the issue, based on the wording of the article, it seems to be the website itself that was actually the issue.

    The meta tags, artwork, and such alluded to being official, or at least that’s how they see it.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyoYKeOXAAAc_Vg.jpg

  44. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 3, 2016 at 7:32 am

    Sega, believe it or not, also has registered trademarks. I fail to see any substantial difference between fangames using their IP over anyone else’s.

    The idea that it infringes on their trademark probably would hold up in a court of law, at least well enough that they could crush the poor developer who made a tribute to his franchise. I’m not really going to dispute that because I’m not a lawyer.

    What I’m arguing is that it’s a needless, spiteful and all around shitty decision. What you’re contending was they had no choice but to pursue it and I’d like to see some evidence to this effect when we can see in practice many game companies don’t use their IP rights in this way.

  45. NuclearKangaroo
    NuclearKangaroo
    December 3, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    playing as the devil’s (heh) advocate here, this seems sort of an automated response towards copyright infringement works, DOOM RL is a very niche fangame zenimax probably isnt aware its not a threat to their brand

    i mean if zenimax was interested in shutting down fan projects they couldve started with bigger fish like brutal DOOM

  46. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 3, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    ‘Again, point still stands. Zenimax had plenty of time to shut DoomRL down and chose now to do it.’

    ‘Again, point still stands.’

    No, it doesn’t. You see, they have to react to trademarks but there are still things called licenses (which involve permissions), and besides that, there’s something eally really important and companies really don’t want to get involved in…

    That is, when someone is leeching off you, like our beloved author here.

    The moment he used their trademarks, intentionally or not, to get people on his site and fund his Kickstarter, that was a death sentence to his site.

    Really important word there… Site. But this idiot not only won’t try and talk this out with Zenimax’s lawyers, he’ll cry ‘ugh, evil company’ on the Internet.

  47. le master trole
    le master trole
    December 3, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    (((Zenimax)))

  48. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 3, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    Why don’t you try actually reading the fucking article before riding Zenimax’s dick? The Kickstarter had nothing to do with DoomRL’s supposed “infringement”. The evil dev was exploiting poor, poor Zenimax’s trademarks to advertise a fan tribute to one of his favourite series. A real villain, that one. I’m glad they managed to nip him in the bud before DOOM® developed a thriving, loyal fan community.

  49. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 3, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    The Kickstarter makes this a case of using their trademark in a commercial manner. It’s why they’ve not reacted in such a way in the past 7 years, most likely because their license/permissions allowed DoomRL’s existence (and still do, they want the site to no longer use their trademarks, they didn’t say he had to take down the game).

    So there’s no need to be retarded.

  50. Lepito
    Lepito
    December 4, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    I may be grasping at straws here, but I don’t care. The Kickstarter went up on November 15th and was put on the site on the 17th. Takedown request for the website came out on Dec 1st. The request doesn’t mention the Kickstarter, just that the website infringes Zenimax’s IP rights.

    Asking for the “Doom RL” to remove all references to Doom is tantamount to asking the developer to remove the game. There’s realistically no way to change it to remove all infringing content while still keeping the game what it is. Sounds like Zenimax wanted the game taken down, to me.

    Furthermore, if you actually look at how the dev is reacting to the situation he realizes that what he did was legally in the wrong and has acquiesced to Zenimax’s demands (because if he doesn’t, he’s fucked. He’s fucked anyway, since it’s Zenimax, and they’re basically Gearbox). So I don’t see how “this idiot won’t try to talk it out with Zenimax’s lawyers” since there’s pretty much exactly nothing to talk to them about — they want the site and the game, gone.

    So in the end, the developer removes infringing references from the Kickstarter campaign, and Zenimax are still assholes who deserve to be hated for the filth they are. The whole “evil company” angle is pretty much exclusively coming from fans that know exactly how evil Zenimax is.

    It’s sure a good thing he didn’t also put “Scrolls” in the title, since Zenimax has trademark rights to that, too.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/79ac751bb73b307312ad41144f25d3018eab1390869ef2f9f127c41c5dbc5a73.jpg

  51. Lepito
    Lepito
    December 4, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    You got a good estimate on how long it’ll take Zenimax to utterly destroy OpenMW and Arx Libertatis?

  52. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    December 4, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    They were going after the website itself, not the mod. The mod went down as collateral damage I guess. As I said before, they hadn’t gone after Brutal Doom either.

  53. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 1:38 am

    No it doesn’t. There is a distinct difference between the site and the game itself.

  54. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 1:42 am

    “Asking for the “Doom RL” to remove all references to Doom is tantamount to asking the developer to remove the game.”

    Not the game, but the site. ZeniMax wants its trademarks removed from the website, leaving the option to upload the game to a third-party site like IndieDB still open..

  55. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 1:43 am

    “but leave the backdoor open for modders to simply drop in the graphics and sounds necessary to make it a copyright-infringing title.”

    And how would that be a good thing?

  56. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 5, 2016 at 3:31 am

    Said author was hosting the site himself, paying all the hosting costs and such and they decided to take it down because what, he had doom in the metatag? Even if they haven’t taken down the game (yet, who knows if it’ll be like AM2R) that doesn’t make their attacking a member of the doom community any less wrong.

  57. dogmentation
    dogmentation
    December 5, 2016 at 6:08 am

    Plausible deniability.

  58. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 6:24 am

    Let me rephrase… how would enabling copyright-infringement be a good thing?

  59. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 6:28 am

    “Wrong” how? Said author did not seek permission from Bethesda before using their content. While Bethesda’s notice might serve as a PR misstep, it’s most certainly not wrong. Other companies have served notices for far less. Either way it seems like a mass mailer without any manual intervention.

  60. Lepito
    Lepito
    December 5, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    Might as well shut down the Doom wiki and Doomworld while you’re at it then.

  61. Lepito
    Lepito
    December 5, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    They ought to nuke every website on the internet with “Doom” in the URL, just to be sure. Doomworld, DoomWiki, etc. Just shut them all down, they’re violating Zenimax’s trademark after all.

    Seriously I don’t care if it’s legally right, the debate has never been about that. Zenimax are irredeemable pieces of shit plain and simple.

  62. Lepito
    Lepito
    December 5, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    You’ve got over twenty years worth of Doom mods. Wolfenstein mods too. Many of them have websites that could be violating Zenimax IP. You gonna take them all down, asshole?

  63. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 1:14 pm

    No they can’t, not content which is protected under fair use. Obviously something in the site did not play well with those terms. There are always two sides to a story.

  64. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    Check my response to another comment of yours that deals with “fair use”.

  65. dogmentation
    dogmentation
    December 5, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    During prohibition, grape orchards could no longer legally sell grapes for wine production, so instead, they created compressed bricks of concentrated grape juice that could be dissolved in water, along with a warning that under no circumstances should the consumer put the juice in a sealed jug and leave it in a dry, dark place for 3 weeks, else it would turn into wine.
    Legally, you can’t make your own Metroid game, even if you do it with the best of intentions. But if someone else makes a mod that turns your game INTO Metroid, well that’s hardly your fault, now is it?

  66. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 5, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    It wasn’t Bethesda’s content at the time and Id Software never pursued fan creators so that’s hardly a point against him even if that doesn’t mean shit in a court of law. (I believe he would’ve had a leg to stand on if he contacted Id when he first started word but I’m no lawyer and legal bullshit was the furthest thing from anyone’s minds at the time).

    As for whether or not it’s wrong, it’s a question of what kind of ‘wrong’ we’re talking. Legally in the right? Very likely. Ethically? Many people would disagree. Your rationalisations aren’t exactly very persuasive: some facile whataboutery and the completely baseless speculation that it was an automated message—even though no other such emails have been reported—which also seems to infer that this would somehow extenuate their actions.

  67. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    December 5, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    True, but I think the main reason they targeted DoomRL was he was referring to it to promote his Kickstarter.

    So there was money trading hands, and their trademarks were being used to advertise.

    One of the ES conversion projects, I forget which, got a C&D for basically the same reason.

    They were accepting donations, granted it was to help fund the project, but then even a non-profit operation is still commercial.

  68. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    “It wasn’t Bethesda’s content at the time and Id Software never pursued
    fan creators so that’s hardly a point against him even if that doesn’t
    mean shit in a court of law.”

    — It’s been Bethesda’s content ever since iD became a part of Bethesda. which has been quite a few years.

    “As for whether or not it’s wrong, it’s a question of what kind of
    ‘wrong’ we’re talking. Legally in the right? Very likely. Ethically?
    Many people would disagree.”

    — And you’d know this simply by hearing one side of the story?

    “Your rationalisations aren’t exactly very persuasive: some facile
    whataboutery and the completely baseless speculation that it was an
    automated message”

    — Everything is speculative, including your conclusion. Merely indulging in superfluous wankery without trying to understand both sides of the matter is just wasting time.

  69. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 5, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    “But if someone else makes a mod that turns your game INTO Metroid, well that’s hardly your fault, now is it?”

    It’s a fault nevertheless. Not yours, but the other person’s who made the mod using copyrighted content. It’s the same context under which torrent sites claim defense. How effective that is would depend on regional laws.

  70. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 6, 2016 at 5:21 am

    The acquisition was 2009 which I wouldn’t really describe as quite a few years and DoomRL has been around twice as long (circa 2002 which makes it about at old as half the commenters here).
    Are you really going to argue that every fan creator should okay literally everything (hey, can I metatag my website with ‘doom’?) with the rightsholder’s legal department? Because that’s completely divorced from reality.

    Isn’t everyone here discussing ethics? ‘Were Zenimax’s actions morally justified?’ is as valid a question as any.

    And we may be engaging in speculation but we have facts to work off of. It would be very difficult to prove really but by the fact that there weren’t at least a few more reports of receiving trademark violations makes me sceptical. It’s not outside of the realm of possibility but that leads me to what I said in my last comment: so what?

  71. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 6, 2016 at 6:17 am

    “The acquisition was 2009 which I wouldn’t really describe as quite “a few years and DoomRL has been around twice as long”

    — How does that discount ZeniMax’s ownership of the brand?

    “Are you really going to argue that every fan creator should okay
    literally everything (hey, can I metatag my website with ‘doom’?) with
    the rightsholder’s legal department?”

    — Not everything; certain creations can be waived under fair use. It’s a matter of speculation whether DoomRL’s content had anything that went beyond the conventional “fair use” content usage terms.

    “Isn’t everyone here discussing ethics? ‘Were Zenimax’s actions morally justified?’ is as valid a question as any.”

    — It’s a video game. Please spare the morality crap. It’s a bad PR move, nothing more nothing less.

    “And we may be engaging in speculation but we have facts to work off of.”

    — Correct. Yet you somehow seem to have drawn your conclusions already or so it seems.

    “It would be very difficult to prove really but by the fact that there
    weren’t at least a few more reports of receiving trademark violations
    makes me sceptical.”

    — For DoomRL in particular you mean?

    “It’s not outside of the realm of possibility but that leads me to what I said in my last comment: so what?”

    — If it’s not outside the realm of possibility, all your assumptions are just that — assumptions, that’s what. I figured that part would be obvious.

  72. Himegami Aisa
    Himegami Aisa
    December 6, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    >How does that discount ZeniMax’s ownership of the brand?
    It doesn’t, but if they’re disturbing the status quo that’s something to note at least.

    The fair use doctrine has nothing to do with trademarks anyway, are you confusing it with copyright law? In any case I’d like you to look at the website and tell me you think it has any pretence of being in any way associated or endorsed by Zenimax because their claims are retarded.

    >It’s a video game. Please spare the morality crap. It’s a bad PR move, nothing more nothing less.
    Not a fan of big companies antagonising people personally but if you’re going to dismiss it with LOL WHO CARES THEY DO VIDEO GAMES then I guess my point is moot.

    >Correct. Yet you somehow seem to have drawn your conclusions already or so it seems.
    Speak for yourself. I actually looked into the claim and the website and think it’s horseshit. Have you done your due diligence?

    Let me make myself clearer on the auto mailer point: even if it was, how does that justify it in any way? If they didn’t even bother vetting it manually that’s even fucking worse in neglecting to ensure their claims are accurate and fair.

  73. CoolingGibbon
    CoolingGibbon
    December 7, 2016 at 1:47 am

    “It doesn’t, but if they’re disturbing the status quo that’s something to note at least.”

    — That’s something which should have been addressed by the DoomRL author via correspondence with Bethsda, but wasn’t.

    “The fair use doctrine has nothing to do with trademarks anyway, are you confusing it with copyright law?”

    — Google “Fair use (U.S. trademark law)”. Fair use holds as long as it does not identify ownership. Go into the details and you’ll see why that notice might have been generated for DoomRL.

    “In any case I’d like you to look at the website and tell me you think it has any pretence”

    — I checked the website. Nowhere does it mention that it is not affiliated with Bethesda. Generally fan sites carry a legal disclaimer clearly stating that they are not an official outlet. I could find no such claim on the website.

    “I guess my point is moot”

    — It stopped being relevant when you brought in “morality”.

    “Speak for yourself. I actually looked into the claim and the website and think it’s horseshit. Have you done your due diligence?”

    — I have, which is why I’m not taking sides as you are.

    “If they didn’t even bother vetting it manually”

    — That defeats the purpose of “auto-mailers”. I’m wondering why the DoomRL author did not appeal against it if he really believed his work wasn’t infringing upon anything.

  74. Jayden
    Jayden
    December 7, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    Its pretty pathetic what Zeni Max will do, I Can understand some things, but shutting down Old Game Mods, Threatening Legal Action, makes me want to go on a “Rampage” like in the movie rampage against the people who do this type of stuff its flat out “Insane”…

    I downloaded all the Doom-RL Files from the server and will be re-distributing them on torrents, and giving them out freely to anyone who wants them even after the site closes down anyways…

    If I had the RL Legal Funds, I would take this to court, then to high court (Trade Marks) should not be (Recognized) or allowed words like (DOOM) (Memory) etc should not be able to be trade-marked anyways at least the word itself is dumb… I see trade-mark trolls a lot trying to remove every game because it says “Memory” in it and the word is trade-marked Only actual (Physical Assets) should be allowed to be Patent, and or Trade Marked such as “Tennis Balls” “Base Ball” if any such laws should exist.

    As far as games and software industry I do not believe common words in the dictionary should be allowed to be trade-mark at all in any way.