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Nintendo Gives Practically No Information to English Voice Actors [UPDATE]

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[UPDATE 2]

It seems like the video has been made private, for reasons unclear. You can find a backup here.

[UPDATE]

Rena Strober has responded to our article.

“That’s completely wrong! Of course we’re given character traits and history,” said the voice actress.

While this is certainly different from her original responses, we have to go by what Rena says, in clarification, as she is the source.

[ORIGINAL STORY]

Many fans were curious how the English-only voiceovers for Fire Emblem Fates were somehow noticeably worse than its predecessor, Fire Emblem Awakening. Now, we’ve gotten some new information from a voice actress who played the role of a character seen in most of the game’s media.

Rena Strober played the role of Azura, and performed both regular lines of dialogue, as well as singing pieces. Featured above, an interview between Strober and Super Geeked Up/Super Knocked Up revealed some key information for Nintendo’s Treehouse, and how they deal with voice casting.

“You’re not allowed to know the title of the game, you don’t usually know your character, you don’t know anything about it, because it’s very secret information,” Strober said.

“So I didn’t know I was hired as a singer, and a speaker, but here was this character that I knew singing was her power. So I just sort of did it and had a great time.”

It seems like the voice actors simply get their lines and are told to perform them, with almost no context whatsoever.

“Do they let you know what the other dialogue is or what anyone else is saying or do they just give you your lines?” asked a participant on the show.

“Yeah, and they often change your character name so you don’t know it’s a sequel to something,” said Strober.

It’s understandable to try avoiding spoilers in a story driven game’s development prior to release, however this seems a bit haphazard at best. The last response could be related to just Fire Emblem Fates, or all games Strober has worked on.

It’s worth mentioning this is purely regarding the development of Fire Emblem Fates, and may or may not be indicative of other Treehouse-related games. Strober also mentions that she was under a Non-Disclosure Agreement, and that she broke this when commenting on the first English trailer for the game (which Nintendo was OK with).

How do you guys feel about the English voice acting in Fire Emblem Fates? Sound off in the comments below!

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Brandon Orselli

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268 comments
  1. Takane Shijou
    Takane Shijou
    February 17, 2016 at 9:20 am

    This is amazing.

  2. Ken-Oh
    Ken-Oh
    February 17, 2016 at 9:26 am

    Treehouse should burn

  3. Rumble Red
    Rumble Red
    February 17, 2016 at 9:30 am

    What’s there to keep secret about games that have been out in Japan for months before they’re released in English?

  4. Pacco
    Pacco
    February 17, 2016 at 9:31 am

    I stunned, the game it’s a secret to the voice actor, angular piece in the game experience. I ask me, how the hell translated the game?.

  5. JCTXS
    JCTXS
    February 17, 2016 at 9:32 am

    Well shit; I feel bad for giving the VAs shit now. They were given a shit hand from Nintendo.

  6. Pacco
    Pacco
    February 17, 2016 at 9:32 am

    Shh, it’s a secret.

  7. DreamlessWindow
    DreamlessWindow
    February 17, 2016 at 9:32 am

    I knew localizations were plagued with problems and stupid decisions, but this is beyond anything I had ever imagined. What else, you give your translators only a line so they can’t tell anyone outside the company about it?

  8. grimatina
    grimatina
    February 17, 2016 at 9:33 am

    hysterical

  9. Firion Hope
    Firion Hope
    February 17, 2016 at 9:35 am

    Jesus I thought the fact english vas don’t read their lines together was already pretty damning, but this is even worse.

  10. Don Tworry
    Don Tworry
    February 17, 2016 at 9:36 am

    I know many voice actors know very little about the show their on but usually they’re at least giving their name and their general personality, description, etc.

    For many long running shows they usually at least the have the director be able to explain the context the character is presented in before they start dubbing. It’s a bizzare practice and I doubt many (if any) other studios do it and for good reason.

  11. Fighunter
    Fighunter
    February 17, 2016 at 9:39 am

    This is standard operating procedure though? Benjamin Diskin had no idea he was audition for Xehanort in Kingdom Hearts until he was confirmed to get the role.
    This is a thing with the current generation of VAs being fans of a lot of the content they’re dubbing, I assume they’re kept in the dark to not blab about it on social media.

  12. JCTXS
    JCTXS
    February 17, 2016 at 9:39 am

    Maybe things changed recently for other games or just this particular one. I recall the screw up a bit back when Danganronpa was finally released. A VA for DR2 spoke about it being released tomorrow and his role, and that role was only in DR2, which effectively announced that DR2 was also coming out before the first game was released.

  13. Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    February 17, 2016 at 9:39 am

    Welp

  14. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    February 17, 2016 at 9:39 am

    This is something I’m wondering about too – how many developers do this sort of thing, if it’s only with story-driven games, etc.

  15. Fighunter
    Fighunter
    February 17, 2016 at 9:42 am

    At the very least, NDAs appear to be a normal thing. Honestly I think this is mostly about casting, no acting in general. Here is an excerpt from a KHInsider interview with Ben Diskin about how he got hired(link below):

    http://www.khinsider.com/news/exclusive-khinsider-interviews-ben-diskin-3022

    Joey: Yeah. Okay, second question: how were you cast for the role as Young Xehanort? Have you met any high profile voice actors from the game?

    Ben: Absolutely no idea who else was up for this. Normally, I’d say like 99.9% of the things I audition for, the things I get, it’s just stuff I audition for; this was a weird, WEIRD casting thing. Basically what happened was, I had auditioned for a different Square Enix game, and I have no idea what even that game is called. By the way, in case you’re wondering, in the video game industry, they are super, super secretive. Non-Disclosure Agreements ─ that’s just the beginning. The games, most of the time we don’t even know what the title of the game we’re trying for. They give it like a codename instead so nobody can even do research on it. So this was a game, they codenamed it, and I’m not making this up, Codename “Yellow Pee”?

    Joey & Arielle: *laughs*

    Ben: Yeah. So, I don’t know what it is. I guess it was just to be funny, but anyway, I think it was Final Fantasy XIII-2. I think. I’m not sure. But they had me trying out for like well over or, 13 different characters. What they wanted was, at the beginning of each take, you were supposed to say, “Hi, my name is -your name here-. I’ve read and agreed to the Non-Disclosure Agreement and I’m trying out for the role of _____,” and then you’d say the name of the character, and I totally forgot to do that for like all 13 of my auditions, so I went “oh god.” So I’m not going to re-record all of these auditions; that’s stupid! So I just made one blank slate of me saying all that and just put it at the beginning of each one of those auditions. Well I got called in to do this game, and I thought, “Was this ‘Yellow Pee’!?” I would have remembered saying something as iconic as “Keyblade”, you know, in an audition. I don’t remember trying out for this! Well, it turns out that that stupid slate that I put at the beginning of every single one of those takes is how I booked this job. So I never auditioned for the character at all; it was just, they were just “Yeah, I like the way he says “Hi, my name is Ben Diskin and I’m trying out for the role of blah blah blah.” It’s awesome! Let’s hire him based off of that!”

  16. Figuratively Shaking
    Figuratively Shaking
    February 17, 2016 at 9:45 am

    This isn’t about the auditions. It’s the actual recording.

    Anyone that did such a thing would be in legal trouble and completely ruined in the industry anyway. It’s not a realistic threat and certainly isn’t worth doing something that destroys any chance of a competent performance like removing any semblance of context.

  17. Bitterbear
    Bitterbear
    February 17, 2016 at 9:47 am

    You know what this game has in common with Starscream, Hillary Clinton, and Paul Feig’s Ghostbusters movie?

    The more information is revealed about them, the more hate they gather.

  18. Jonathan Litwinka
    Jonathan Litwinka
    February 17, 2016 at 9:51 am

    It seems NOA doesn’t think the Actor part of Voice Actors matters.

  19. TheMaverickGamer
    TheMaverickGamer
    February 17, 2016 at 9:54 am

    Well, this is certainly enlightening to say the least.

  20. Tako Luka
    Tako Luka
    February 17, 2016 at 9:58 am

    Obligatory why even have dubs comment

  21. UNIverse
    UNIverse
    February 17, 2016 at 10:01 am

    Quality voice acting for a quality game, what’s the problem?

  22. Tako Luka
    Tako Luka
    February 17, 2016 at 10:02 am

    upvote virginity taken

  23. Fighunter
    Fighunter
    February 17, 2016 at 10:02 am

    Someone who’s played the game tell me, do they at least bother to put the VAs in the English credits at the end? A lot of the time they’re just never mentioned and you’ll never find out who voiced what.

  24. Ubernoob8470
    Ubernoob8470
    February 17, 2016 at 10:08 am

    I’ve seen more reasonable policy decisions from Konami the morning after the weekly company coke party.

  25. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 17, 2016 at 10:13 am

    No wonder the voice actors either sound bored as fuck or over the top retarded.

    Fucking Genius Nintendo Treehouse.

  26. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    February 17, 2016 at 10:14 am

    Nintendo seal of QUALITY

  27. Azure
    Azure
    February 17, 2016 at 10:15 am

    Gonna need a warehouse to store all these reasons not to buy Fire Emblem Fates at this point.

    This is getting to the stage where a boycott is needed so we can get studios to do their damn jobs properly. They have no competition to improve against so they have a literal monopoly on certain dev’s games.

  28. Edmund Black
    Edmund Black
    February 17, 2016 at 10:17 am

    THESE SURE ARE SOME TASTY LOOKING HAMBURGERS

  29. BeholdMyPower
    BeholdMyPower
    February 17, 2016 at 10:18 am

    If this is standard practice across the industry I guess it’s no wonder English dubbing generally seems to be disliked. This is such backward thinking.

  30. Bob Omb
    Bob Omb
    February 17, 2016 at 10:20 am

    Don’t care, still buyin’ it. Also, I hope we get more FE reps in the next Smash Bros game.

    :^)

  31. Michael Richardson
    Michael Richardson
    February 17, 2016 at 10:24 am

    Paranoid Nintendo being paranoid. How are the English voice actors supposed to do their job right if they’re not even sure what kind of character they’re portraying.

  32. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    February 17, 2016 at 10:24 am

    I swear to fucking christ I have not heard a single piece of news about this game’s localization that didn’t make me want it less and less.

    If this is how NoA handles VA work then I’d hope more nintendo games would go the splatoon, animal crossing, zelda route with weird gibberish languages so they can’t be doing this shit any more.

  33. Carl619
    Carl619
    February 17, 2016 at 10:25 am

    I remember an ocassion in Spain that the youtuber elRubius dubbed some guy for Sunset Overdrive, when the games was released the voiced didn’t match the character. What was the problem? that he dubbed the lines with a personality and a context they told him was completely different from the final version and they didn’t repeated the lines.

  34. CrusaderEsper
    CrusaderEsper
    February 17, 2016 at 10:31 am

    Nintendo thinks they are still in the 90s where information coming out of Japan was very carefully regulated and exposed only in very brief articles in Nintendo Power and maybe some other video game magazines. They are completely oblivious to the fact that information is instantly known worldwide now thanks to the widespread adoption of the Internet.

  35. Unbeliever
    Unbeliever
    February 17, 2016 at 10:41 am

    That explains the deadpan acting in english voice overs.

  36. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 17, 2016 at 10:50 am

    Voice actor / game dev here…it’s sadly the smarmy NDA crap that goes on with studios in the states. NDAs are good if used correctly (ie: don’t blurt out to social media what your role is too early)…but the english voice acting ecosystem has sadly become very cliche, secretive and need I say cultish as of late due to some of the more seasoned producers/actors getting very protective over their careers. This is because the number of people auditioning to be voice actors is much higher than ever due to our love for video games and anime. The internet and even some remote VA audition services brought out by the internet has changed the auditioning trails of old…many VAs just need to be decent actors with decent home equipment. This shakes the ground that the actor unions built things on as sadly some producers will opt for cheaper rates/talent now. I agree that some studios underpay their actors but conversely some of the demands/policies of SAG/AFTRA keep new talent out and ask for too much money…creating the need to keep things in-union very secret and yet still ignoring the very purpose of the roles to create a great performance.

  37. random
    random
    February 17, 2016 at 10:55 am

    Guess what guys, voice actors having an idea of the role they played was actually part of the SAG-AFTRA contract deal that hasn’t gone through yet, if you supported that instead of unreasonably hating it maybe they could provide even better voice acting.

  38. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    February 17, 2016 at 11:07 am

    Thats not how you spell “needs to”

  39. orbo
    orbo
    February 17, 2016 at 11:20 am

    What the hell?
    Are we going to find out next week that the localization devs aren’t allowed to know what game they’re localizing, with names and game code altered to throw them off?

    This is hella stupid.

  40. Evropi
    Evropi
    February 17, 2016 at 11:21 am

    I’ve listened to just about all of YongYea’s interviews with English-language Metal Gear Solid voice actors. It’s standard practice, even for plots as thick as the ones in the MGS.

    Additionally, the lines are often recorded out of sequence. Kris Zimmerman said that the ending plot twist of MGSV was the first line Sutherland recorded. And that goes for just about all games that they voice record, including Western ones (at least traditionally, when they didn’t mo-cap).

    Then again, the MGS games are the exception in so many ways. The English dub is easily superior to the Japanese for me. Robin Atkin Downes in MGSV, Josh Keaton in MGS3… the Japanese equivalents lack their finesse, they are just really great performances. For its crappy story, MGSV has one of the best performances all around.

  41. awvnx
    awvnx
    February 17, 2016 at 11:35 am

    Do VAs in Japan read their lines together for games with a lot of dialog? Thought it was just for anime where there’s much less lines.

  42. awvnx
    awvnx
    February 17, 2016 at 11:40 am

    With XSEED and Trails of Cold Steel, they mentioned specifically how the MC’s VA (Sean Chiplock) already researched his role including backstory before starting recording which impressed the VA director. His performance was really good.

    I think the big companies tend to do it secretively for all their games.

  43. Chihayaa
    Chihayaa
    February 17, 2016 at 11:46 am

    They do put VAs in the credits as told from review copy players, but like you said… They don’t bother to tell you who voices who :/ Most forums and communities are trying to piece together who voices who, but it sucks that they couldn’t do that in the credits.

  44. Helmslock
    Helmslock
    February 17, 2016 at 11:46 am

    Will look like I am buying the game used.

  45. deadeye
    deadeye
    February 17, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    Remember that whole thing awhile back about voice actors wanting more respect in the industry and wanted to be treated as valued members of the dev team instead of just disposable workers?

    I’m thinking they were maybe onto something. This is absolutely ridiculous.

  46. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    February 17, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    They wanted royalties, which was never going to happen. VAs are some of the most respected and well known people in the gaming industry as it is.

  47. bdp
    bdp
    February 17, 2016 at 12:22 pm

    Hell of an ass backwards business practice.

  48. deadeye
    deadeye
    February 17, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    As far as “celebrity” status goes among fans, they are, but they’re treated nowhere near as well by the people they work for.

    I recall some of their demands were a little much, but as we see here, when you don’t even give voice actors anything to go on because you’re afraid they’ll leak information that is already available anyways, you end up with really shit performances.

  49. Tracker
    Tracker
    February 17, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    I had a feeling it was voice actor union bullshit. As soon as one studio is brave enough to start using non-union actors the union will lose all power in the game industry. There’s too much talent out there and the price to set up an in home voice studio with good equipment is simply too low now.

  50. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    February 17, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    Perfect for the;still gona buy fraction.

  51. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    February 17, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    Nintendo.

  52. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    February 17, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    ..

  53. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    February 17, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    Absolutely disgusting.

  54. Dark Lord Ash
    Dark Lord Ash
    February 17, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    “You’re not allowed to know the title of the game, you don’t usually know your character, you don’t know anything about it, because it’s very secret information,”

    “you don’t usually know your character”
    “you don’t know anything about it”

  55. LostGryphon
    LostGryphon
    February 17, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    Par for the course.

  56. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    February 17, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    ..

  57. Momiji
    Momiji
    February 17, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    Ye, this explains so much. Just imagine if the best VA in the world impersonates Sponchbob perfectly, only to figure out after release that he was actually voicing Batman.

  58. Arenegeth
    Arenegeth
    February 17, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Unfortunately, this isn’t unique to this game or Nintendo, it is common practice to ‘use’ voice actors like that and honestly, it shows in a lot of ‘wooden’ performances across games. Capcom is especially notorious for this.

    The are exceptions of course, Rockstar comes to mind, but a lot of Publisher’s don’t put much stock behind the voice acting in their games, unless a celebrity voice actor is involved, and even then is mostly so they can use it in marketing.

    A lot of this comes from the factory-like production AAA gaming has adopted these days, and also because gaming is not taken very seriously as a medium by pretty much anyone who is not a gamer, including a lot of the people who actually make games.

  59. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 17, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    Just curious, what would setting up a home studio entail and how much would it cost?

  60. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    February 17, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    That’s why Rockstar games budget is collossal,they sell alot but also cost alot.Nintendo wants to be as cheap as possible and sell as much as possible.

  61. Momiji
    Momiji
    February 17, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    Which is why nobody bought the WiiU.

  62. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    February 17, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    Some aspects of the game production have problems, but what they wanted was ludicrous.

  63. blackice85
    blackice85
    February 17, 2016 at 1:14 pm

    Clearly children wouldn’t be able to comprehend different cultures.

  64. Tracker
    Tracker
    February 17, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    My reply was detected as spam, so hopefully this gets through. Basically the low end if you already have a computer is 150, this video has a lot of great info

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjZJ9i_mH0&t=231

  65. Jack
    Jack
    February 17, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    We’ve got trouble

  66. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    February 17, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    The more and more I hear about them, the more and more NISA seems sane.

  67. Joey
    Joey
    February 17, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    Could you tell us where would be a good place to start to break into this area ?

  68. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 17, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    This one got through, thanks I’ll be watching that.

  69. Steven T.
    Steven T.
    February 17, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    Treehouse, next time stick to Mario and Animal Crossing games. Better yet, stick to anything that’s not an RPG or not heavy on story.

  70. Daryl Corey
    Daryl Corey
    February 17, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    I like my Wii U but I am odd so ehh

  71. Daryl Corey
    Daryl Corey
    February 17, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    The more I hear about this game the more I am certain cancelling my Preorder was the right choice

  72. Rena
    Rena
    February 17, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    Wow! I’m shocked and saddened and horrified at this false journalism. Of course we know character backstory and traits. We also have AMAZING directors taking is on the journey. This makes me sad for people who believe everything they read. I was explaining that many things are kept secret to prevent spoilers. I knew I was hired as a singer! I’m a professional singer! This writer made so much up and it angers me when people try to attack a wonderful company like Nintendo. We’re working hard to produce cinematic games that have changed the entire gaming world. Nintendo is one of the best. Please get your facts straight before making claims like this. You can also do research to understand NDAs and how hard actors work. Thank you

  73. bdp
    bdp
    February 17, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    >[UPDATE]

    Rena Strober has responded to our article.

    “That’s completely wrong! Of course we’re given character traits and history,” said the voice actress.

    While this is certainly different from her original responses, we
    have to go by what Rena says, in clarification, as she is the source.

    So is she backpedaling now or what?

  74. Etherblaze
    Etherblaze
    February 17, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    And there’s the backpedaling. Welp. Completely contradicts what she said before, but eh.

  75. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 17, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    Damage Control

  76. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 17, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    She’s completely contradicting her previous statement. That’s odd as shit.

    It could be wrong but she could just be speaking the truth.

  77. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 17, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    I got my start by taking voice classes with Bang Zoom Studios and then auditioning like crazy on Voices.com; it’s a bit of a paywall and you are auditioning with a crap ton of other people per role. I’m a programmer by trade and I was never in drama class or acting prior..so if you hear people say you “must have been school drama”..it’s a lie, it helps of course but anyone with practice can learn to act. Granted I was in chorus in high school (14+ years ago) but again, in the end if you put the work in it and better yourself in the craft, you’ll get some work. Oddly, though it was anime that got me into wanting to be a VA, I have yet to do anime. It doesn’t pay as much and sadly still seems to still be very region/union locked (I’m on Long Island, not in CA or TX)…so I’m content with the dubbing, video games, telephone prompts and other work I’ve done. In short, it’s something you should like to do as a job and you’ll have to work it like a job i you want any momentum. I’ve lost a little bit of momentum due to not auditioning in the past couple of months due to my development work, but if you start getting jobs…keep going.

  78. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 17, 2016 at 2:14 pm

    You can’t disbelieve the source, but it’s seriously odd.

  79. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 17, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    It seems the voice actor is contradicting her previous statements completely. Claims they had directives like character traits and history.

  80. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 17, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    You will usually get a sheet for auditions with a character history and traits…but American VAs have to basically read it on the spot. Japanese VAs (sometimes) get more time to know and study the characters. American actors are also told in games to give about 3 different takes for devs to use. Also, a note for all the sub vs. dub people… Japanese voice actors dub most of the time. Anime is ADR even in Japan and not prelay like western productions. So both Japanese and english vas dub. Games on the other hand are usually prelay (except for Fate here to the English cast). The difference in dubbing comes in the practices..English VAs tend to be the only person in the recording room while Japanese VAs tend to work together in the booth akin to prelay productions.

  81. Caim
    Caim
    February 17, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    I suspect they weren’t as ok with her statement as she thought they were

  82. bdp
    bdp
    February 17, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    Probably a good idea to give a proper explanation from the beginning but i doubt that will happen.

  83. Caim
    Caim
    February 17, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    now she has backpedaled which tells me they weren’t as okay with this as she thought they’d be

  84. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 17, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    The issue is that she’s contradicting herself completely. As in, I would not raise my eyebrows if they’d get a sheet with character traits and history as you said for a few seconds, I’d say that’s the norm and it should change, but she claimed she got nothing at all!

    Although, what you’re saying is pretty informative, so thanks.

  85. chaoguy
    chaoguy
    February 17, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    “Say this, or you’ll never work in voice acting again.”
    Whether it be by law or back-room clique blackballing, I can see that happening.
    However, I have no evidence of this claim.

  86. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 17, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Yes, I also believe it to be pure damage control.

    When you correct your statements, you don’t deny the previous statements completely. You usually change phrasing and small words.

    She said “I GOT NOTHING”, then she says “NO NO, I DID GET SOMETHING”, this is a sign of lying.

  87. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 17, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Most likely.

  88. chaoguy
    chaoguy
    February 17, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Hell, judging by the good “abridged series” on youtube, there’s tones of great VAs.
    I’d also recommend PurpleEyesWTF (does a handful of voices but does them well) and ProZD.

    Even the RWBY voice actors/tresses were bad at first, but they’ve improved by leaps and bounds!

  89. chaoguy
    chaoguy
    February 17, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    I do admit, there’s a slight chance it was hyperbole taken out of context.
    “We are told very little” can mean anything from less than normal (“Here’s a full bio” vs. “Here’s a partial bio”), to how we understand it (bubkis).

    To me it does feel like Capcom’s SV5 comments. I can’t put my finger on why, but it just screams damage control.

  90. Mea K
    Mea K
    February 17, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    Are you real? Assuming you are, the author quotes you verbatim from the video sourced in the article. They draw their own conclusions based on that information, sure, but that doesn’t make this “false journalism”…

    The only problem I can see is they quoted “So I didn’t know I was hired as a singer, and a speaker” whereas what you probably meant is “So I didn’t know. [full stop] I was hired as a singer, and a speaker” but even then I can’t really blame them because the full stop that seperates those statements isn’t actually there in the interview.

    On the subject of sucking Nintendo’s dick: they were indeed one of the best for a long time. Then, in 2015, Nintendo of America started censoring every single game they localize. We attack Nintendo not because we hate them but because we want to love them and no longer can due to their recent moral authoritarian behavior.

    I realize the odds I just responded to a troll are pretty great. So be it.

  91. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    February 17, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    NoA being shit goes back further, though then we just thought it was their subcontractors.

  92. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    February 17, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    So are you saying there’s no reason for the poor quality “we’ve got trouble” VA beyond the actress?

  93. Ncrdrg
    Ncrdrg
    February 17, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    She clarified further in that exchange that what she said in her interview was referring to the audition. Seems it was misinterpreted.

  94. Gale
    Gale
    February 17, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    It seems as if there’s a very large amount of backpedaling from the VA between the time frame of the original publishing of this article and when she was alerted of it.
    From “Okay we actually did get stuff.” “People are just lying!” and more recently “People need to learn to detect sarcasm!”

    I’m honestly *more* inclined to believe the original part of the interview/article now due to this.

  95. Etherblaze
    Etherblaze
    February 17, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    Either that or she’s panicking about violating the NDA or whatever.

  96. Sakurai
    Sakurai
    February 17, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    wew

    NoA mafia got to that one real quick

  97. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 17, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    Well it looks like..

    “You’ve gaht trubbule”

  98. awvnx
    awvnx
    February 17, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    “That’s completely wrong! Of course we’re given character traits and history,” — yeah, it sounds like she was talking about the casting being blind, which makes a lot of sense to not reveal information about what game is being worked on, rather than the actual dubbing process being blind.

  99. awvnx
    awvnx
    February 17, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    It sounds like she was talking about the casting being blind, which makes a lot of sense to not reveal information about what game is being worked on so early on in the development process, rather than the actual dubbing process being blind. That’s how casting works for other secretive projects like movies.

  100. Fighunter
    Fighunter
    February 17, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    “Don’t ruin this for me”
    Apparently pointing out the failures in Nintendo’s armor could make they vindictive enough to ruin someone’s career? How awful.

  101. Jack
    Jack
    February 17, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    They’re supposed to magically know every detail of their character via psychic knowlagde
    Nintendo is just testing vas to see if they are psychic

  102. bdp
    bdp
    February 17, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    …which would make sense if it was for something that hadn’t already been out for months and wasn’t already well known. It’s not like Nintendo went for an international simultaneous release and was dubbing in english and japanese at the same time. We’re getting the game 8 months later so all the details of what everyone sounds like and what happens in the game can easily be looked up online.

  103. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 17, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    Are those AMAZING directors also the one responsible for inserting memes and pop cultural references in a medieval strategy game?

    Great direction by Nintendo.

    Add a John Cena Doge-Rider for a 9gag DLC chapter.

  104. King of Bros
    King of Bros
    February 17, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    I-I WAS BEING SARCASTIC HAHAHA

  105. awvnx
    awvnx
    February 17, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    Localization companies still want to keep their announced games under wraps until the official announcement. Casting calls involve a lot of people so if you tell the 50 people that are auditioning exactly what role they’re playing, it’s bound to leak easily. And then you get news articles saying “Nintendo is localizing so-and-so” 6 months before it’s announced.

    I’m not saying that it should be a surprise that the game is being localized, but companies try to avoid leaking information.

  106. Lain
    Lain
    February 17, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    What clinches it for me is that didn’t JUST try to clarify. She played the victim saying people who quoted her verbatim were attacking her and NoA. THEN she said she was just being sarcastic in the first place. Three different stories AND playing the victim don’t make me very likely to believe anything she says now.

  107. Narmy
    Narmy
    February 17, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    “the wrong people”

    What is that supposed to mean?

  108. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 17, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    AKA “I’m a fucking idiot SJW that thinks statements made won’t be put under scrutiny for what they say, I’d lick my balls now but I’ve been neutered.”.

  109. Travis Touchdown
    Travis Touchdown
    February 17, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    Literally standard practice in the industry.

    For a ‘niche’ website, you don’t seem to understand how these things work. I was deeply invested in this game, and came across NO spoilers in that entire span of time, purely because of this move.

  110. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    February 17, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    you do know the game was out in japan since last year right so you no spoiler thing is bullshit

  111. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 17, 2016 at 3:53 pm

    Yeah, because voice actors always spoil others when they know exactly what they were supposed to voice. Especially when its a game that was out a year before in another region.

    See how stupid that is?

  112. scemar
    scemar
    February 17, 2016 at 3:55 pm

    And this is another reason why I always demand the original audio.
    Usually they do a better job and it starts with how they handle the whole process.
    No surprise that a VA that’s given a better insight into the job can as a result do a better work than the one left half in the dark.

  113. BubbaHoTep
    BubbaHoTep
    February 17, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    People who quote verbatim then report on the information available? I dunno, but that guy is white knighting pretty hard considering that he’s the one doing all the clean up work for her.

  114. Cael
    Cael
    February 17, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    So here’s something interesting.

    Total files in the JPN version: 3196
    US: 1208
    Amount of removed audio files: 1988

    Source is /vg/ /hbg/ over at 4chan.

  115. SommenRider
    SommenRider
    February 17, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    As anything that requires the use of actors is a collaborative and dynamic process, withholding information from said actors that is normally essential to said process is a poor practice.

  116. SommenRider
    SommenRider
    February 17, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    Except >“So I didn’t know I was hired as a singer, and a speaker, but here was this character that I knew singing was her power. So I just sort of did it and had a great time.”
    is speaking from when she was already hired.

  117. bdp
    bdp
    February 17, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    Which is fine in general but in this specific example Fates was getting featured in north american directs for months so the fact that it was being localized was a no brainer so it was silly to keep that pretense going.

  118. BubbaHoTep
    BubbaHoTep
    February 17, 2016 at 4:16 pm

    Could have been a simple misunderstanding. Then again, instead of simply clarifying the matter she begins contradicting herself and getting indignant, so who knows.

  119. Travis Touchdown
    Travis Touchdown
    February 17, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    And I came across no major spoilers. None. I know nothing about the game’s plot besides having to check whether or not incest was in the game.

  120. BubbaHoTep
    BubbaHoTep
    February 17, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    Does it give details as to what the average size of the files are? I’ve seen Japanese audio files that were heavily segmented (three or four files per sentence instead of just one), so it’s possible the content is there, just combined into larger files.

  121. Cael
    Cael
    February 17, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    “so it’s possible the content is there, just combined into larger files.”
    Doesn’t look like it.

    “The file size difference of the sound folder isn’t that much.”
    US: 759 MB
    JPN: 826 MB

  122. BubbaHoTep
    BubbaHoTep
    February 17, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    Not as far as I could tell.

  123. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    February 17, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    “in 2015”

    bru

  124. BubbaHoTep
    BubbaHoTep
    February 17, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    The article quoted you (if you’re genuine) verbatim; no lies have been made, only presumptions based on the information available. For your sake I would suggest you avoid any further attempts at damage control and just ignore anything else related to this mess, as things will only get worse the more you try to dig in.

  125. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    February 17, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    Beats me. The fans it seems going by the context of the tweet. Did she think a public interview like this would just fall under the radar, that nobody would comment on it?

    No matter how you slice it she stuck her foot in her mouth. If its exaggeration she made her current employer look bad, if not she’s blatantly lying. If its the truth she knows she said something she shouldn’t have. She’s screwed nine ways to Sunday.

  126. Aiddon
    Aiddon
    February 17, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    This is actually the norm for the industry as a whole. Nintendo is actually a lot more lax with it as they don’t get on actors’ cases if they say what they’re in, as Strober emphasized in her interview.

  127. ArsCortica
    ArsCortica
    February 17, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    Even assuming the majority of these were MyRoom/Skinship-related….what the hell, NoA?

  128. BubbaHoTep
    BubbaHoTep
    February 17, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    Strange. I guess the English tracks are less compressed, since I can’t see how the file sizes are so similar when 2/3 of the content appears to be missing.

  129. Zero Eternity
    Zero Eternity
    February 17, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    All said the game still looks interesting. Wish I owned a 3ds.

  130. Andrew Krasy
    Andrew Krasy
    February 17, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    B-B-BUT DUBS ARE GOOD GUYS! STOP BEING A FUCKING WEEABOO!

  131. Mea K
    Mea K
    February 17, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    Are you saying the game being in the hands of players for a year did not cause anything to be spoiled for you (even though thousands of people were actively talking about it), but Nintendo properly informing their English voice actors, that have probably signed non-disclosure agreements, about the characters they’re portraying somehow would have spoiled the game for you? How? Why? What?!

  132. Firion Hope
    Firion Hope
    February 17, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    I’m not sure actually if its for games or not.

  133. Phil McCracken
    Phil McCracken
    February 17, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    Caught with their pants down by the internet, I think that describes Nintendo perfectly.

  134. JohnnyCageFan2
    JohnnyCageFan2
    February 17, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    So… suffice to say that Nintendo plays Dizzy Bat with the voice actors?

    This is just insane. Interest in the game steadily declined with each new post. Thankfully, I said fuck it when they revealed dub only and no Sawashiro Miyuki. If it wasn’t for that, I have probably would have bought a gimped / censored product anyway…

    Do I feel sorry for voice actors who have to deal with this shit and THEN get shit from the fans for sucking a big one? Sure I do, but not for this back-pedaling one.

  135. Dominic John Chan Maca
    Dominic John Chan Maca
    February 17, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    Ha! She got into trouble so she had to take her words back. More proof that Nintendo of America is shit.

  136. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    February 17, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    I hope this is the death of the unions, as they seem to be the ones responsible for fucking up our chances of receiving dual audio on many japanese games.

  137. Mea K
    Mea K
    February 17, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    lol @ “The wrong people.” This site has been reasonable every step of the way but it’s still on the blacklist for wrongthink, I guess.

  138. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    February 17, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Get a Nipponese one. Then you can play the full game.

  139. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 17, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    As a business owner, I’m quick to judge the actions of unions. However unions can be good if they don’t act like a cult/mafia nor mimic ways heinous businesses that created the need for them. The lack of receiving duel audio in many cases is actually from Japanese license holders not understanding the global fandoms and still adhering to very old business practices. Licensing can cost a western studio a crap ton of money (when it shouldn’t) so they will opt to underpay actors if money is tight (giving unions something to be upset about). Studios and license holders still run a business of making money from the litigations on their IP as oppose to the very content generated from their IP. The way to fix much of this is for independent studios to continue to make strides and if possible, be as independent as they can by not giving in to venture capitalists that might fund their games or media, instead make money from the sales and distribution of the content as oppose to copyright/licensing litigations, VCs or just selling out. The internet being global and instant is making much of these middle men become obsolete since distribution and overly protecting content with licensing litigations is easily being called out (rightfully) by the fans (note: in my weird varied professions I’m also a Japanese figure business owner so I see this in that business and not just in voice acting, anime and games)

  140. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 17, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    I started with a $100 mic in my closet for sound dampening. With the money I made from the roles I got, I bought a $400 RODE mic

  141. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    February 17, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    They removed the video.

    Too bad for them the internet never forgets and there are MP4s of it aplenty.

  142. BaronKrause
    BaronKrause
    February 17, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    Nintendo does seem like the company that would cut ties with anyone that says anything that could be perceived as bad to the company (even if it is a simple accurate description of events).

  143. GeneralSalt
    GeneralSalt
    February 17, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    Whoever buys anything from Nintendo anymore should be ashamed of themselves

  144. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    February 17, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    What’s more, it doesn’t change the quality of the voice acting itself which has been a hot topic for a good while now before that interview.

    So it’s either “we don’t receive enough information to do our jobs” which means that the bad voice acting is the fault of the localization company, or “we receive enough information” which means that the voice actors that were used just plain suck.

  145. Cakeman
    Cakeman
    February 17, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    So, the real story here, at least as far as the “official” story goes, is that Rena Strober is a liar?
    Because if that’s what they’re going with, why should we now believe her when she says her previous statement wasn’t true?

  146. Azure
    Azure
    February 17, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    Apparently they are going with a harassment narrative and covering up what she said. Nintendo is being incredibly shady about this.

  147. Superscooter
    Superscooter
    February 17, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Nice. Now we get obvious lies.

  148. Cerzel
    Cerzel
    February 17, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    Where? I want to see it.

  149. Cerzel
    Cerzel
    February 17, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    It’s amazing how quickly the harassment claims started popping up.

  150. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    February 17, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    Sounds like she’s covering her ass now after saying the truth previously.

    Nintendo sucks at localization? YOU DON’T SAY!

  151. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    February 17, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    Yeah but that’s not a 66% reduction

  152. Don Tworry
    Don Tworry
    February 17, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    “That’s completely wrong! Of course we’re given character traits and history,”

    That only raises further questions.

  153. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    February 17, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    Someone said that the video has now been made private. This is backpedaling hard.

  154. Joe
    Joe
    February 18, 2016 at 12:06 am

    The Nintendo Seal of Localization Butchery

  155. Joe
    Joe
    February 18, 2016 at 12:21 am

    Donkey Kong Country. The game that gave them their name, and the only product that Treehouse ever did a good job of.

  156. Joe
    Joe
    February 18, 2016 at 12:23 am

    They clearly thought Xenoblade X was a game intended for Kids to Adult. Why else remove the boob sliders in a game otherwise filled with skimpy costumes, swear words and some very mature sidequests? I guess they only had the patience to play the first hour and the boob sliders were the only bad thing they managed to see.

  157. psychosoldier_dragonspirit
    psychosoldier_dragonspirit
    February 18, 2016 at 12:25 am

    no, that can still be from audition.
    “we need a female voice that can sing. the character has singing as a power”

  158. Joe
    Joe
    February 18, 2016 at 12:28 am

    A monkey could provide better voice acting than most english JRPGs and anime receive.

  159. Pillbugable
    Pillbugable
    February 18, 2016 at 12:34 am

    Dubs CAN be good but man this ain’t one of em.

  160. Pepper
    Pepper
    February 18, 2016 at 12:38 am

    Case in point. Kid Icarus Uprising. What the fuck happened here when Uprising’s english cast was fantastic?

  161. Joe
    Joe
    February 18, 2016 at 12:38 am

    To be fair, Fire Emblem Fates from the basic concept of east vs. west, to the dragons, on up to the multiple girls in maid costumes on the cover, is pretty far removed from a serious “medieval strategy game”.

  162. Pillbugable
    Pillbugable
    February 18, 2016 at 12:40 am

    While I’m sure it probably wasn’t too true to the source material, they at least never removed shit and the writing/acting was comedy gold.

  163. mrwizeass
    mrwizeass
    February 18, 2016 at 1:09 am

    I saw the tweets Strober made pertaining to the update. They scream of ass-covering.

  164. SommenRider
    SommenRider
    February 18, 2016 at 1:10 am

    That’s not how it reads.

    “I was hired” implies she has already passed auditions.

  165. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    February 18, 2016 at 1:19 am

    This is what people get for tripping over themselves about how “clever” Fawful’s monkey cheese dialogue was in the localization of Mario and Luigi and dropping internet memes into Pokemon. At least in the context of Fawful it makes sense it certainly doesn’t sound like it does for this FE character.

  166. 萌えゲー
    萌えゲー
    February 18, 2016 at 1:23 am

    “Embrace the difference” she says. Why didn’t Nintendo “embrace” the Japanese audio, so people could have variety? I wonder, was it just too different?

  167. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    February 18, 2016 at 1:27 am

    So it seems like Treehouse is coming after her for their shitty practices being outed.

    It’s too bad, but the blame doesn’t lie with Brandon or NicheGamer; Treehouse and NoA needs to address the root cause; their pathetic localization practices.

  168. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    February 18, 2016 at 1:27 am

    http://webmshare.com/r6Xqn – Here’s the video of the interview that conveniently when private.

  169. Pepper
    Pepper
    February 18, 2016 at 1:30 am

    Actually the change in Uprising makes sense given all the jokes actually get lost in translation.

    Like Pit’s problem in the JP version is saying the wrong word due to a kanji/hiragana/katakana problem. You can’t translate that in English since the japanese pun gets lost so they go with Pit just getting a phrase wrong entirely. Makes Pit look stupid but he isn’t bright to begin with in the original version so you could get away with exaggerating his stupidity.

  170. 萌えゲー
    萌えゲー
    February 18, 2016 at 1:32 am

    MGS’s creator loves American movies, so I imagine he would pick only the best when casting for the dubbing of the game.

  171. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    February 18, 2016 at 1:33 am

    Yeah, it’s incredibly bad and there’s a lot been changed about it. Treehouse fucked it up something royally.

  172. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    February 18, 2016 at 1:33 am

    Right?

  173. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    February 18, 2016 at 1:34 am

    http://webmshare.com/r6Xqn – Here’s the video of the interview that conveniently when private. The internet never forgets.

  174. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    February 18, 2016 at 1:35 am

    Yeah, NOA has done a great job making me not want to buy their games anymore.

  175. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    February 18, 2016 at 1:35 am

    http://webmshare.com/r6Xqn – Here’s the video of the interview that conveniently when private. You be the judge.

  176. 萌えゲー
    萌えゲー
    February 18, 2016 at 1:37 am

    So what you are saying is that producers think voice actors are idiots that need to be coddled from information about their roles because they lack self control on social media? This is the most twisted “safe space” I’ve ever heard of.

  177. RincewindtheMad
    RincewindtheMad
    February 18, 2016 at 1:57 am

    >Video is now private
    someone fucked up royally didn’t they :^)

  178. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    February 18, 2016 at 2:33 am

    Especially when anything close to “harassment” was directed to either NoA or Treehouse. Kinda looks silly to play the victim when you’re not even the person getting all the flack.

  179. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 18, 2016 at 2:40 am

    Fucking atrocious.

  180. awvnx
    awvnx
    February 18, 2016 at 2:40 am

    Tons of audio files were removed because of the petting being removed. My guess is that many of those audio files are very short clips so they don’t take up much space, but are numerous.

  181. kaitakashi
    kaitakashi
    February 18, 2016 at 2:52 am

    I don’t ever want Treehouse anywhere near MY video games ever again. If this is how they normally operate, I will gladly take my chances with someone else, ANYONE else.

  182. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    February 18, 2016 at 3:00 am

    VAs don’t play video games.

  183. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    February 18, 2016 at 3:01 am

    Really makes you wonder if they cut out My Room just so they wouldn’t have to pay voice actors for it and NOT because it’s “offensive.”

  184. GoatShow
    GoatShow
    February 18, 2016 at 4:31 am

    Someone’s in trouble.

  185. アントナント
    アントナント
    February 18, 2016 at 5:58 am

    dat damage control
    “Whoops. Accidentally told the truth. Please take it down”

  186. Azure
    Azure
    February 18, 2016 at 6:47 am

    In one of her tweets she was pleading to ‘not ruin this for me’ so Nintendo has had someone to tell her to revoke what she has said or else, most likely.

  187. DavidGX
    DavidGX
    February 18, 2016 at 6:47 am

    No way in hell I trust what she said in the update, not after pulling the video and contradicting herself.

  188. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    February 18, 2016 at 7:11 am

    “I-I was just pretending”

  189. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    February 18, 2016 at 7:18 am

    NoA is EA levels of evil overlord

  190. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    February 18, 2016 at 7:21 am

    I can’t even imagine how cringeworthy this must be for native english speakers.

  191. KarRuptAssassin
    KarRuptAssassin
    February 18, 2016 at 9:54 am

    Probably because NoA treehouse went and cut a ton of shit they didnt accept. They covered up a ton of things, censored things, removed a TON of voice and such (A WHOPPING 65%). Hell, some of the NoA people are actively shitting on gamers. They dont care.

  192. Brad
    Brad
    February 18, 2016 at 10:01 am

    Problem is SAG is a a GUILD Union operation. Which is ILLEGAL in most of the rest of the world for a reason.

  193. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 18, 2016 at 10:11 am

    Agreed. Though I will argue that some studios do abuse and underpay actors at times, it’s rarer than SAG wants us to think and should be up to the individual actor to gauge what their time is worth and call out a studio if they slave drive actors. I will agree that services like Fivver for VA is garbage and degrades the service that a great VA can give but the gatekeeping style of the business with agents, overly strict NDAs, and nepotism-driven/ union-restricted audition pools still harks back to the pre-internet age and it’s the right of both the actors and the fans to call out those practices and when those practices hinder the quality of a production.

  194. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 18, 2016 at 10:26 am

    Normally IDGAF about the English dub if Nintendo had given us dual audio.

    But they couldn’t even do that. And there is no excuse for it since they own the game.

  195. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 18, 2016 at 10:30 am

    Nothing wrong with doing it for a paycheck (we all have to pay rent/mortgage) but put some pride and effort into it.

    But I don’t know maybe voice actors are really badly payed/overworked.

  196. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    February 18, 2016 at 10:47 am

    What in the fuck. Did one of the localizers have a pickle fetish?

  197. Macattack
    Macattack
    February 18, 2016 at 10:54 am

    Her eyes, they’re soulless . . .

  198. Virosh Siegecraft
    Virosh Siegecraft
    February 18, 2016 at 11:03 am

    Do you think the unions need to fall for the industry to flourish?

  199. Shogun1x
    Shogun1x
    February 18, 2016 at 11:11 am

    Dbz abridged is probably the greatest thing to come from youtube.

  200. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 18, 2016 at 11:37 am

    I love how she called the people who preferred the Japanese voice actors on the interview, “weaboos” and for people to “embrace” what they don’t like.

    Hype was spiraling down every time some update pops up with this game.

    Limited Special Editions. Okay, i’ll just clear stuff in my 3DS!

    No Dual Audio. Disappointing, would’ve loved to hear the voices I’m familiar with but i could live with it.

    Shitty Voice Acting. …its fine!! i could just turn voices off in the options! no biggie–

    Shitty Localization and Memes.

    ….

    Fuck it, I’ll just pretend this doesn’t exist until i can get the fan translation.

  201. SommenRider
    SommenRider
    February 18, 2016 at 11:40 am

    Apparently the fan translation leaves something to be desired too, but it’s better than nothing at this point, and having nothing would be better than this localization.

  202. Longtooth
    Longtooth
    February 18, 2016 at 11:54 am

    Now they are claiming that they pulled the video because she was getting attacked because of it. Sounds really suspicious to me.

  203. Pepper
    Pepper
    February 18, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    The fan translation is already stated to not be editted but by request they put it out. They don’t fuck with the characters and the only issue becomes grammar. Since its not done by professionals they can get away with mistakes. The fact there is this shit in the localized version is bs.

  204. Tamschi
    Tamschi
    February 18, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    You can also just install the homebrew launcher for this (I think). It doesn’t enable piracy but you can switch the language settings.

  205. Ryuzaki57
    Ryuzaki57
    February 18, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    Felicia’s VA probably thought she was a cleaning robot or something

  206. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    February 18, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    That’s what estrogen and grinding down bones will do to a man, no matter how much liberals try to claim it makes someone female.

    “She” has a receding hairline in several pictures.

  207. BubbaHoTep
    BubbaHoTep
    February 18, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    Can’t wait to see how this gets twisted into an “All Gamers Are Evil Harassers” article.

  208. Tracker
    Tracker
    February 18, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    “Anime is ADR even in Japan and not prelay like western productions. So both Japanese and english vas dub. Games on the other hand are usually prelay (except for Fate here to the English cast).” – Would you mind mansplaining this for me? No idea what ADR could mean, and prelay I assume means they do the voice acting then get the animation/computer rendering to match?

  209. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 18, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    ADR stands for.. Automatic Dialog Replacement, it’s a long term for dubbing. For example, my last role was an english dub of an Italian film. I had a time to begin my lines that, with help from the voice/line director, matches as close to the feelings and timing as the original. Live action ADR is notoriously tougher to do right since live action lip syncing is impossible with differing languages. Most anime productions, are ADR throughout the production. Anime mouth movement is limited to “flaps” mostly since even the Japanese voice actors will dub over it. In other words, in ADR animation, the scenes are drawn first and then the voice actors voice over that. So when people go “I prefer subs over dubs”…that a bit of a moot point since even the Japanese voice actors are dubbing just the same as the western VAs; actually, they have it harder since they don’t have previously dubbed audio to work off of like we do in the west. They differ in that 1) Voice actors in Japan are basically given that role for a lifetime; rarely will a role get a new voice actor in Japan..if that happens, it’s usually because the previous actor died. 2) The dubbing in Japan is done with more than one actor in the booth more often than in the west so they can work off each other; making up for not having a reference point since they are the first to dub over the anime.

    As for prelay, prelay is the opposite of that production flow and done very often in western animation productions and games in both the east and west. A show like Rick & Morty will have a storyboard made up and a fully printed script where the actors first do a table read…meaning they sit at the table and read their lines with the actors, writers, producers there with no recording (except for a “Making Of”clip . The script sometimes gets a bit revised after the table read and then it goes into recording. At this point the animation is usually not anywhere beyond the storyboard phase. The animation team in prelay wait for the voice actors to do their recordings and then animate around that. Not sure what the case was for Fate here but I’d imagine they (after the rather secretive audition practice) got to work off the Japanese audio in a mostly ADR fashion; with games being more invovled since us devs like to have a number of reads (usually 3) to put in the games.

    I want to also stress that Rena congratulate Rena on her getting her first Nintendo gig. I honestly haven’t heard the dub as I’m more upset with Nintendo’s choice to heavily censor the game ala 90’s anime levels. If she or any of the actors sounded off, do remember that the voice/line director is the one who approves the takes and directs the actors so any lack of quality doesn’t usually come form the actor but from their director’s inability to get the most out of the actor.

  210. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 18, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    “Hey Leonardo this is Cameron. Listen we want you to do a movie or something, are you free tomorrow?”

  211. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 18, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    Don’t mind dubs if they also include the original audio track, that way everyone is happy.

  212. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 18, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    Yeah I play a lot of (J)rpgs with ton of spoken dialogue and I think voice actors are very important to a game. As important as the music IMO.

    I don’t think they should get royalties but they DO deserve a decent paycheck. Just like other actors get.

  213. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 18, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    Yeah Rockstar and Bioware are good examples of devs at least caring about voice acting.

    When I put 90 hours in a game I actually want good VAs.

  214. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 18, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    This.

    Actors practically NEVER spoil the projects they work on.

    Because if they did not only would they lose their career they would also get sued for damages.

  215. SommenRider
    SommenRider
    February 18, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    >Since its not done by professionals they can get away with mistakes.

    I mean, I guess, but even free/hobbyist things should have a level of polish, you know?

    Not condoning the localized version, I’m just saying that the options right now are something unofficial and rough or something official and a joke.

    Would be nice if the fan translation could get a v2.

  216. Pepper
    Pepper
    February 18, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    I know there was a poll going around if it should be released now or wait until they finished it. And people were impatient so that’s the version we get.

  217. FakeangeL
    FakeangeL
    February 18, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    1/10 it’s the best I can give you

  218. Cats736
    Cats736
    February 18, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    Releasing it now doesn’t they can’t still work on it and release a better one later.

  219. Firion Hope
    Firion Hope
    February 19, 2016 at 2:35 am

    very informative!

  220. Tracker
    Tracker
    February 19, 2016 at 2:39 am

    Thanks for the explanation, very informative. One of my favorite YouTube clips is a fan dub parody of Case Closed called Taste Closed. Even only using less than half the footage I’m amazed at how they could find the right dialogue to match perfectly. This is something I would not be able to do as a writer/actor. This is why I can never be too harsh about localization not being direct translations; not only do some cultural things, like ancient traditions and superstitions, do not make sense as a direct translation but they also have to match the syllables and expressions of the animation as well.

    The only thing I ask is for VAs not to use political leaning to attack it’s fans (see the Prison School fiasco and anything Wil Wheaton has said in the last 2 years). I also think that Fates crosses the line and uses localization as an excuse for censorship, completely transforming the original work in some spots during the process.

  221. TalesOfBS
    TalesOfBS
    February 19, 2016 at 2:54 am

    Well, she is scared of getting “black listed” and not having a job anymore, what else would she do?
    Nintendo has probably sent their tyrannic notification to her studio about it, and now they are probably making pressure on her to pretend that people misunderstood her after she let slip yet another of NoA’s ugliest practices.
    Remember that not long ago NoA fired someone for repeating yet another common information about them that you can easily find on the internet.

  222. TalesOfBS
    TalesOfBS
    February 19, 2016 at 3:05 am

    Another reason why 95% of other companies, be them Asian or not, don’t want to make games for Nintendo hardware.
    Too much BS to deal with, from ALL branches.

  223. TalesOfBS
    TalesOfBS
    February 19, 2016 at 3:17 am

    Probably to not get the channel taken down by Nintendo for releasing theirturdtothewild “sensible” information.

  224. Yamato
    Yamato
    February 19, 2016 at 5:35 am

    Apparently Nintendo doesn’t have very high standards for their employees, I work at my local hospital and if we posted something along those lines we would be at the least written up and possible fired for disrespecting customers. Your professional job follows you even online, for all the talk of education maybe she should start by being consistent and not using abbreviations in her posts.

  225. 萌えゲー
    萌えゲー
    February 19, 2016 at 9:07 am

    Meanwhile, children in other countries are required to learn English.

  226. Forciplier
    Forciplier
    February 19, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    Well, see, that’s the thing right there, Nintendo only discovered the internet like twelve minutes ago.

  227. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    February 19, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    Am I an ameriboo if I want to play an american game in english? Or a franceboo for a french game?

  228. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    February 20, 2016 at 11:29 am

    Jesus, I feel kimochi warui. This is absolutely atrocious.

  229. Mr. Oshawott
    Mr. Oshawott
    February 20, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    Her retraction of her initial statement just leaves me with more questions than answers… I suspect that this is NoA’s attempt at damage control.

  230. Alistair
    Alistair
    February 20, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    I don’t think Rena should worry about her job after all it’s ninty fault & NDA that back fired & ninty short comings.

    Everything ninty does is pathetic like censorship. Etc etc,

  231. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 20, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    I think they just have to stop acting like gatekeepers to the industry and be what a union should be..an entity meant to protect employees from abusive-slave driving employers.

  232. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 20, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    No problem :-) Yeah, the localization with both Prison School and Fates are examples of what not to do and hark back to the terrible localization I remember when I first became and anime fan in the mid 90’s. We don’t need to regress back to that. It’s nothing on the voice actors as they are directed on what to say for their lines and the lines I heard sounded like they were acted well…..just they don’t reflect the original characters as they were in Japan. Some creative liberties should be there but these examples are just SJW agenda injection or some things I see in this business with writers were they think everything they write is golden when all they need to do is just mimic the path already cleared for them across the pond.

  233. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 20, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    What’s messed up is that the voice over industry DOES indeed have a scummy blacklist where people get placed on it for the dumbest of things. Hell, my comments might put me on it but I’m a programmer and business owner too as I just do voice acting for the fun of it; to me it just weeds out petty snobby places I won’t want to work with and I’ll be hiring VAs for my games and projects anyways. The very existence of such blacklists is something both VAs and fans should shun.

  234. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    February 20, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    Downloaded for future preservation. Thanks!

  235. Joey
    Joey
    February 20, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! For all that information. You sir rock.

  236. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 20, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    No problem ^_^

  237. Syndromic
    Syndromic
    February 21, 2016 at 2:48 am

    I used to be a hardcore dub supporter but shenanigan like this makes me have a second thought.

  238. epy
    epy
    February 21, 2016 at 4:01 am

    So how’s the game selling? If its selling well Nintendo won’t care at the end of the day

  239. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 21, 2016 at 4:13 am

    Possibly well. Since majority of Nintendo’s fans are sheep.

  240. steve72
    steve72
    February 21, 2016 at 9:04 am

    “You’re not allowed to know the title of the game, you don’t usually
    know your character, you don’t know anything about it, because it’s very
    secret information,” Strober said.

    So that’s why their dubs are so bad. they dont know what is the ‘character’ of their character. that is why they go with their lifeless, monotone voices. lmao.

  241. MDH
    MDH
    February 21, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    >NicheGamer and cripplechan blatantly misquote and misconstrue someone’s statement to tailor it to their agenda
    >quoted person speaks out against misconstruing of statement, gets called a backpedaling liar

    Nice journalistic integrity there, guys.

  242. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    February 21, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    Readjust your expectations, this site is basically just a direct opposite to the other sites instead of being the solution of a reasonable middle ground. They’re more trying to fight a battle than to actually improve standards

    It’s basically just a matter of picking which bias you prefer and tolerating the shortcomings that accompany it

  243. MDH
    MDH
    February 21, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    “It’s basically just a matter of picking which bias you prefer and tolerating the shortcomings that accompany it”

    That’s an excellent description of the situation. Like, there’s no question I’m on the same side as GG et al, but some of these people sure know how to damage a cause.

  244. Pendu
    Pendu
    February 22, 2016 at 2:41 am

    Even the re-uploaded version’s uploader confirmed that its pretty much true not just nintendo, but for all video game companies.

    “Pretty much every video game actor I’ve talked to says most companies do the same thing. So I think it’s something the entire industry needs to work on improving. So I definitely hear you and understand your point. The reason I removed that part of the interview is that Rena is my friend. And if there’s a chance it could hurt her future employment with any company, that’s not something I’m okay with. ”

    therefore Rena’s backpedaling attempt is a lie to protect her career with Nintendo and the real shit going on behind the scenes with this garbage “localization”.

  245. Yamato
    Yamato
    February 22, 2016 at 3:31 am

    Just use the HANS undub problem solved, this is the first time I have ever undubbed anything or used any sort of software manipulation. That is how bad the dub is in this case. I will give credit to a few of the voice actors though, especially Azura/Aqua – the singing I think she did a great job.

  246. Lostrife wuytack
    Lostrife wuytack
    February 22, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    Same here man, the only real thing that i kinda want and i think everyone else wants, is the honest truth about this whole miss-mash of information, because i don’t know what is truth and what is not anymore.
    The only thing that i can say from listening to both the english and japanse voice of Felicia and Effie that deffinitly something went wrong, one way or another and weither or not the information that has been given are fact, i think in that regard we’re justified atleast to know the truth behind some of the decisions that have been made with the english version of the game from a dev or altleast a explanation from nintendo itself.
    it won’t change anything about me buying the game because if some of the voices really irritate me i can always listen to the Japanese voices from an outside source.

    Don’t get me wrong @disqus_DO1N00Se5v:disqus i like some of the english voice acting deff your singing and general VA lines, regardless what some1 says are really good, its just some of the other VA that has been done in Fates is just really atrocious.

    Ps: srry for the somewhat bad written English but incase you have noticed it ain’t my main language so yea..

  247. Kevin Kess
    Kevin Kess
    February 27, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    @princetrunks:disqus I’m sorry. I must have misread because it sounded like you said that the act of blacklisting exists in the voice acting industry.

    Wait, What?! It happens there, too?!

    I thought that type of practice was only done with certain actors and directors within film during the 1950s up to at least the 1970’s.

    I had no idea that it’s still being practiced, now.

    You mean to tell me that if any VA says something that just might be frowned upon by the company who hires them (even if it’s innocuous), it would ultimately destroy their career and keep them from working just about anywhere?

    Am I correct on this or is there something else that I’m missing, here?

  248. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    February 29, 2016 at 10:24 am

    Hey Kevin. Yep, sadly that is true. I was told by two people in the industry that there are indeed blacklists amongst studios. Granted, breaking an NDA blatantly like giving away the plot of a role your are in is pretty bad. Still…only if it’s original and never been seen before should that hold true…so Japanese-> English translations shouldn’t be in that category as most fans already know what the plot/characters are in the 6month-year that it still oddly takes to come across our shores. I’ve sadly noticed that, in addition to NDAs getting very strict due to studios still not understanding “this whole internet thing”, that even petty, cliche things could hurt a voice actor. I mean, hell, my talking about this like this could kill my own VA career; but again I don’t give a shit because 1) To me that weeds out studios I don’t want to work with if such petty things ruffle their feathers. 2) I am a game developer, programmer & anime business owner first and foremost. That puts the cards more in my hand to eventually be competition to these studios so if they shun me; they are only digging themselves a deeper hole as I could eventually be the one doing these localizations if my own IP kicks off well. 3) I’m not tied to unions and as a business owner, other than for health insurance reasons, I honestly could care less if I was. Sadly, there is nothing you are missing..those petty blacklists exist and I hope that Rena here did not get black listed for stating the very truth about the unneeded secrecy that happens in the audition phases of IP that is already out and known by many by the time it reaches their studio. It’d be different if it was say an IP like mine that isn’t out. VAs should be given at least a little bit more info going in. The number of VAs that actually get into these auditions are very few so there’s no reason not to devluge more of the content to them (with a reasonable NDA) going in. The bad translation of this (and any other) IP is the result of bad decisions by the directors and producers on this side of the ocean; not the voice actors who were simply directed to emote the way they did (or lack there of). Japanese can’t be translated 100% at times to English but my goodness we need not go back to the sad state of anime/game localization from the 80’s & 90’s. I lived that as a fan and as somebody in the business now, it’s our responsibility not to undo the progress that has been made in this field for the fans.

  249. Samoreye
    Samoreye
    March 2, 2016 at 8:31 am

    I don’t know if I was looking for a reason to dislike this game but something about the voice acting just put me off. I keep comparing it to the likes of Awakening and in all honesty there is an obvious difference. I don’t know if it was intentional but the direction really could have been improved. The more fighter type females tend to have a very obvious butch voice to them and it just throws me off. The cute female voices aren’t even cute it’s forced. I really wish they had the quality of Awakening.

  250. Kevin Kess
    Kevin Kess
    March 19, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    @princetrunks:disqus See, its stuff like this (and everything else that you’ve mentioned throughout the course of this thread) that have made me think on how I’d like to run my own business, one day.

    While I do understand the point of what a non-disclosure agreement is supposed to do and WHY it’s there, the fact that such a legal document has so many stringent rules that nowadays you can’t even say anything about any project unless its in a positive light. (Especially in an instance where said project is garbage and almost everyone acknowledges it).

    In some cases, there’s still the feeling of this kind of rule being enforced even after everyone involved did their part to participate in it and said movie / TV show had already run its course once it was released.

    If I may be honest, the fact that you are so willing and open to call out practices like this is something that I don’t see from other voice actors / actresses.

    Granted, you are a game developer as well as a programmer and you own a business of your own to fall back on. It negates any problems that you might have if you were just a VA and nothing else. But still…

    I now look at what you’re saying as an example of what NOT to do when it comes to voice actors.

    Are there any other scummy tactics in regards to what happens to VAs (whether it’s been done by the companies or other VAs themselves) that we don’t know about?

  251. princetrunks
    princetrunks
    March 22, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    Nothing else that I can think of…overall the business is still ok if you connect with the right people as most are still great people but there is sometimes that sense of ego from a growing social-justice-latened minority. As I was told in classes, VAs are suppose to be supportive to their competition. Most of the VAs I know are but I’ve seen from a minority an ego with skill not up to par with that ego because it’s out of defense for their livelihood. My business owner experiance side tells me to diversify/not to put all of my eggs in one basket. Granted, I’m a bit spread thin with a need to focus but when I do voice over work (just did a job two weeks ago), the motivation is still pure and not tainted by the need to step on any “competition”. Again, many VAs are very supportive of other VAs but some (like those who like to go all “me, me, me, me” and yell at people who ask them “how they got into voice acting”) still make the path sometimes a bit of a high school drama…but no where near how it can be for screen actors.

  252. Kevin Kess
    Kevin Kess
    May 24, 2016 at 7:16 am

    @princetrunks:disqus You know, now that you mention it, I’ve noticed this “social-justice-laden” mentality (and minority) within the voice acting community.

    In fact, I’ve begun to notice it more and more. It’s frightening, really when you consider that the people who hold to that way of thinking are often talented and yet, that particular way of thinking clouds their judgment.

    Because of this, I shudder when I think of how some VAs act and behave much what you depicted.

    If you’re interested, I’d be happy to give examples of this.

  253. Kevin Kess
    Kevin Kess
    May 24, 2016 at 11:56 am

    @princetrunks:disqus You know, now that you mention it. I’ve noticed this type of “social-justice-laden” mentality (and the minority within who have it) more and more.

    In fact, it makes me shudder when I think of the type of people who are talented and yet, they hold to that mentality to the point of acting like how you’ve described here.

    I have had an instance where I’ve seen people act exactly like this. I’d provide examples outside of this thread, if you’re interested.

  254. Fuzzballfox Onionring
    Fuzzballfox Onionring
    November 10, 2016 at 4:57 am

    How the hell does anyone think an actor can do their job without context? Context is like two thirds of the acting process. You NEED context. You NEED to TELL your actors basic information like, y’know, who the hell they are and what the conversation is about.

    It blows my mind that voice actors would be just given a single page of words to say and expected to do a good job. Do we shoot live-action footage line by line without context? No, because that would be insane and stupid.

  255. SomeUser
    SomeUser
    February 20, 2017 at 1:19 pm

    Omfg