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Killing Floor 2 Devs Will Ban Your CD Key For “Cyber Bullying” On Forums [UPDATE]

[UPDATE]

Tripwire Interactive have clarified their stance on the EULA for Killing Floor 2.

While they say that yes, they can “take your game away,” they’ve said previously this has only happened to two customers, one of which was convicted as a “hacker” in court. They also make a point in saying that they don’t have any intention of policing servers and hunting down people who “use bad language at each other.”

You can read the full post below:

Rather than post in this EULA thread, which already runs to a few pages, I’ll just start a new one and drop a few comments.

1. We actually put our EULA out in the open, so everyone can read it. It isn’t hiding on page 37 of a game manual, that is tucked away somewhere in your game files. It is written to be (at least vaguely) understandable by someone who is not a lawyer.

2. Just about ALL the games you are buying on Steam and anywhere else are actually a license to use. Yes, that is likely to become an issue in the EU at some point. Someone much smarter than me (probably at Valve, cos they’re all smarter than me) will work out how to handle that. If you are twitchy, because you’ve read our EULA – try reading everyone else’s! There’s some real horrors out there.

3. People are worried that we can “take your game away”. Well, yes, we can. We’ve sold around 10 million games over the last 10 years. We have, I believe, taken away games from about 2 people. One of those was later convicted as a hacker in court.

4. We added the pieces to the EULA about “behaviors” as a reaction to really evil behaviors which are simply not appropriate in multi-player or co-op games. Or anywhere in civilized society, for that matter.

So what does this mean? It just means that we wanted to make it clear where we stand. We don’t have any intention (or the time, frankly) to start policing servers and hunting down people who use bad language at each other.

Its there so that, if at some point in the future, some individual gets utterly out of control and is being abusive to enough thousands of people to come to our attention – we can actually take action.

For the other 99.999% of the population – play on! We’re not watching or tracking you or anything else. We have wayyyy better things to do – like making games.

[ORIGINAL ARTICLE]

Nobody reads EULAs. They’re long, legally (and sometimes grammatically) opaque and have been the subject of developer pranks. Maybe this is why they are not taken seriously and largely ignored by the gaming public.

Perhaps that’s what the developers of Killing Floor 2 are banking on, since they produced a rather sneaky list of caveats into their new game’s EULA.

How sneaky?

Well, first of all, how does being banned for creating a mod that the developers deem “offensive” sound? Apparently, your rights to that CD Key you get from Steam will be revoked if you create content that the developers decide is “inappropriate”. In their own language, you will have your license revoked for, quote, “sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive imagery or libelous, defamatory, or other illegal material, material that is scandalous or invades the rights of privacy or publicity of any third party.”

Fairly vague language, isn’t it? You could use this to revoke the keys of anyone for anything. It doesn’t end there, though.

Remember when we, as gamers, rallied against Electronic Arts for revoking the rights to play a legally obtained game due to a forum ban? Understandably, people were upset and had enough common sense to see this was a ridiculous rule.

Looks like Tripwire, the developers of Killing Floor 2, didn’t learn that lesson…because they’ve now done the same thing.

Lastly, and related to that, is the fact that anything deemed to fall under “cyber-bullying” can result in a revoke of your key as well. Of course, some will say this is fairly common and that it is well within their rights to police their own game community in such a manner. If this was merely a VAC ban or you were being blacklisted from a server, that would be understandable, but having your CD Key tossed to the digital void for things as innocuous and hard-to-define as “cyber bullying” on a forum (Not even in the game, at that) as well as creating a mod the developers (Or a sensitive gamer) finds “offensive” is a big step up from what we’ve seen in the past. The deliberately vague language doesn’t help, either.

Killing Floor 2 recently went up on Steam Early Access and has received mostly positive reviews, though some have been arguing back and forth about what the EULA represents and how far and to what extent it will be enforced.

Is this just a normal EULA that isn’t worth worrying about, or is it language vague enough to remove anyone or anything they don’t agree with? Is it censorship, or do they have a right to ban someone for making a nude/nazi/rape mod? Does it set a dangerous precedent, or is it just the developers covering their own rear? With this game being an 18+ title, shouldn’t people be savvy enough to know how to use the “block” command? What’s your take on this?

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76 comments
  1. Choppinfoot
    Choppinfoot
    April 22, 2015 at 5:40 am

    This is disgusting. I won’t be buying KF2 because of this.

  2. DeusEx
    DeusEx
    April 22, 2015 at 6:00 am

    I just love the prospect of being unable to play a game I BOUGHT because someone either didn’t like me enough to send a report that I bullied them. Or because they interpreted something I said in a negative light. Or i told the guy he was terrible because his actions got everyone killed and that hurt his feelings.

    Good news is that any temptation I once had to pay for their game is now gone.

  3. Softclocks
    Softclocks
    April 22, 2015 at 6:10 am

    Another game I’m not getting.

  4. landlock
    landlock
    April 22, 2015 at 6:13 am

    Wow, sounds like a terrible idea.

  5. Ellen J Miller
    Ellen J Miller
    April 22, 2015 at 6:15 am

    I really enjoyed Killing Floor.

    Looks like I won’t be picking the 2nd game up. Too vague to risk a CD key being stricken. Ah well, Splatoon is out next month.

  6. alto_angelo
    alto_angelo
    April 22, 2015 at 6:16 am

    VAC ban is as bad as CD key Revoke

    Just saying

  7. Sergio Nacher Fernández
    Sergio Nacher Fernández
    April 22, 2015 at 6:18 am

    Why do devs keep shooting themselves in the foot? You thought they would end up learning the lesson after so many tried anti-consumer practices in the past and failed horribly.

  8. UntamedLoli
    UntamedLoli
    April 22, 2015 at 6:19 am

    http://steamcommunity.com/app/232090/discussions/0/618459405713048275/

    I really don’t know what they’re doing. They basically wrote the EULA and then stated on their forum it doesn’t actually matter. That it only applies to “that guy” that dedicated his life to bothering thousands of players. So, uh, why have the insane anti-consumer language in the first place?

  9. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 22, 2015 at 6:24 am

    But with a VAC ban, you can still play offline, correct? From what I was told many times over the years, anyway.

    This CD Key removal means you can’t even play it offline. Which apparently, is possible normally.

  10. alto_angelo
    alto_angelo
    April 22, 2015 at 6:26 am

    no, it mark your ACCOUNT as a hacker/cheater. This doesnt only affect KF2 but also ALL game that used VAC

    if anything it’s worse than CD key revoke

  11. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 22, 2015 at 6:30 am

    They’re afraid of offensive content in an 18+ game filled with gore? Who do they think they’re protecting, children?

  12. Zack
    Zack
    April 22, 2015 at 6:32 am

    This is disgusting, but I wasn’t going to buy KF2 anyway.

  13. James T
    James T
    April 22, 2015 at 6:53 am

    The hypocritical nature of a developer known for creating very “adult” games treating its player base like children is astonishing. They can back-pedal as much as they please and justify a policy so far-reaching and so rife for abuse by their moderation teams (and by the perpetually offended) as “only for the worst harassers” or whatever they’re saying to justify it this morning, but all I’m seeing is a developer adopting policies that even EA have since considered a little too draconian for their tastes.

  14. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    April 22, 2015 at 6:55 am

    Jesus. This is the kind of crap that really irks me.

    I’ve seen forums where calling someone a liar for posting information that is indisputably proven to be incorrect is considered “slander” or “combative language” and will result in an instant ban.
    This is probably a slippery argument, but I always feel that supporting punishment for thought crime is not far behind the kind of ideology on display with these devs.

  15. Unbeliever
    Unbeliever
    April 22, 2015 at 7:01 am

    With plenty of people at the drop of a hat saying “that’s offensive” isn’t very risky to buy a game with such EULA?

  16. Megamatics
    Megamatics
    April 22, 2015 at 7:16 am

    I’ve never had any interest in this game since the first one, and I aim to keep it that way now.

  17. Wand
    Wand
    April 22, 2015 at 7:36 am

    They just lost a customer.

  18. Daniel Bollendorf
    Daniel Bollendorf
    April 22, 2015 at 8:02 am

    BS like this is the reason there’s a lot of times I think about just being satisfied with the games I have and not buying any more. I have enough games that I’ve never beaten or that I’m happy playing over and over again that I really don’t need more and it seems like the industry really don’t want my money anyway.

  19. Kain Yusanagi
    Kain Yusanagi
    April 22, 2015 at 8:04 am

    I’d say it’s not really worse, as it’s still them stealing your money, effectively; But it certainly is quite bad.

  20. Pepipopa
    Pepipopa
    April 22, 2015 at 8:10 am

    I saw this “great”argument in the steam forum
    “WELL IF YOU ARENT A SEXIST,RACIST OR HORRIBLE PERSON YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT”
    Yeah, who exactly judges that? Because some random troll group decides to photoshop 3 images with me barrating them and report me 3 times, suddenly I’m out 30$
    Great stuff Tripwire.

  21. dasCameo
    dasCameo
    April 22, 2015 at 8:17 am

    in KF1 i once joined a server where bodyblocking was possible and they prevented me from buying weapons that way (blocking the shop).
    I died and left the server, who gives a shit.

  22. MaidKillua
    MaidKillua
    April 22, 2015 at 8:35 am

    Hurt feelings are now worth £20, making Tripwire officially the dumbest people on Steam

  23. sanic
    sanic
    April 22, 2015 at 8:58 am

    I can’t pretend I was all that interested to begin with but I can say I definitely won’t buy it now.

  24. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    April 22, 2015 at 9:08 am

    The problem is that it is a very vague EULA, what if I call an NPC a babe or chick, what if I am a woman? What if I was black, could I still not use the word nigga? Does posting on Reddit, Tumblr, Twitter and Facebook make me unable to play KF2? Theres plenty of sexism and racism on those sites. So yeah it is an incredibly vague and intrusive EULA.

  25. Rederoin and N
    Rederoin and N
    April 22, 2015 at 9:37 am

    If they are even worse than EA, you know to stay away from them.

  26. lucben999
    lucben999
    April 22, 2015 at 10:00 am

    Making vague rules and then selectively enforcing them against people they dislike is the default practice for abusive hypocrites.

  27. endertargaryen
    endertargaryen
    April 22, 2015 at 10:15 am

    They lost my money

  28. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 22, 2015 at 11:31 am

    Yes.Over 18 yrs old children.

  29. Lucas Osse
    Lucas Osse
    April 22, 2015 at 12:19 pm

    I believe that even if you signed an EULA with BS like this, you can still sue. I very much hope someone does and burns the studio down financially. This clearly shows they don’t deserve the popularity the original game got.

  30. TophatKiyaki
    TophatKiyaki
    April 22, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    I’m going to have to fall on the opposite side of most people here and say, honestly, I don’t think this is a big deal. Keep in mind that I’m a big fan of Killing Floor and have been enjoying KF2, so take anything I say with a grain of salt…but…
    It’s really true what they say that most games, especially online games, come with an EULA you must agree to that usually have something equally as ridiculous that you are unknowingly acknowledging if you don’t fully read it. This doesn’t just apply to video games either; most people would be terrified to so much as pick their nose with their iPad within listening distance if they actually were to read Apple’s insane 40+ page EULA.

    This kind of thing is par for the course, yet you rarely hear about any devs or publishers actually utilizing it. Why? Because these aspects of EULA’s exist for the sole purpose of covering the developer’s ass legally.
    Imagine, as unlikely as it were, someone actively used Killing Floor to stalk someone, following them through games and continually harassing them. This would give Tripwire the legal rights to get rid of them without potential repercussion. Again, unlikely as hell, but that’s what these kinds of things are meant to deal with; the completely-unlikely-as-hell happens, and the EULA gives the company the means to respond before it turns into a total federal case.
    Unless we start seeing Tripwire actively participating in censorship, I’m not the slightest bit worried…and this is a company I’ve followed since it’s inception. Speaking from experience with their community interactions, they are probably the least likely candidate to screw with the community unnecessarily out of all the indie devs out there these days.

  31. Maxwell Mineur
    Maxwell Mineur
    April 22, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    What happened to gaming?

  32. inquisitormcsagington
    inquisitormcsagington
    April 22, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    Well, that’s a load of bollocks. No way I’ll but from them ever again.

    Set sail me lads and hoist the Jolly Roger!

  33. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    April 22, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    If they had no intention they wouldn’t have fucked themselves over by even mentioning this.

    Fuck them.

  34. Yuuuta
    Yuuuta
    April 22, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    No more freedom of speech I guess.

  35. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    April 22, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    Oh we have Freedom of Speech, and we’re exercising it to say
    “Fuck KF2, I’m gonna buy something not tied to thisoverreaching idiocy”

  36. Anonymous
    Anonymous
    April 22, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    My biggest issue with the EULA is one part that, in short, says that even private servers have to follow all their very extreme rules and that should a server be found not complying with them, it can be closed and the owner lose the game.

    I mean, seriously? Even if they say and swear and promise they have no intention of doing that, then why even mention it in the first place?

    In public servers they can do whatever they want, it’s their call, but if someone sets up a private server to play with friends that know each other and they like to trash talk because it’s fun that could easily be grounds for a ban, even if it is not applied, it doesn’t seem cool to put that looming threat over their own community over what they do with their game on their servers.

  37. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    April 22, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    Damn good point

  38. Michael Richardson
    Michael Richardson
    April 22, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    So, in essence, a shadowy authority is using vague language to invoke its right to punish anyone creating something it considers to be “obscene?”

    Yeah… have fun with that, guys.

  39. jlenoconel
    jlenoconel
    April 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    Fuck the devs who made this game. Won’t be buying. Screw them.

  40. jlenoconel
    jlenoconel
    April 22, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    Well, last year, this b**ch called Anita Sarkeesian came along and accused all gamers of being misogynists and said that all games were sexist. Since then, devs have been falling over themselves to please SJWs and feminists, essentially spitting in the face of real gamers who pay top dollar to play their games. So yeah, blame that shitbag if you want to find someone to blame.

  41. Ms_Fortune
    Ms_Fortune
    April 22, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    Be an asshole get your toys taken away, not that hard to grasp, don’t be an asshole and this doesn’t affect you, never mind the fact that its literally impossible to enforce.

    Game is awesome, shame some folks will miss out on because of this.

  42. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 22, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    Absolutely awful. The problem here is that there are people out there who live to bend the rules. Imagine if a perpetually offended decides to screw with you because of his-her feelings and makes up some crap (or overblows some behavior) to have your game gone? Or if someone wishes to exact petty revenge for any other reason and manufactures a little outrage over this, complete with cronies ready to back the person up?

  43. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 22, 2015 at 6:33 pm

    To cover their asses on the legal side of things, they just need to remove the ability the person has to offend or harass. If you are being an ass on the forums, ban the person from the foruns. If you are harassing people in the game, then either put the account on some communication restriction or, depending on the severity, remove the ability to play online (are there bot matches or lan play in KF2? If there are, at least the person can still do that with the product he paid for).

    Let us not forget something similar happened with EA. Someone was locked out of their entire Origin account for something that was said in their forums (and it wasn’t even something bad, if memory serves me well enough). Either Giantbomb or RPS gave extensive coverage to this, including follow ups. I don’t remember reading that the account was reinstated, either.

  44. Plzbanme
    Plzbanme
    April 22, 2015 at 7:51 pm

    The problem is adults acts like children when they can hide behind the internet. It is just human nature due to the lack of rules. The reason we act right in the real world are because we have rules. This is a step to make people think about what they do.

  45. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    April 22, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    People started taking it waaay too seriously and more came in hoping to make money off of it.

  46. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 22, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    To be fair, people’s problems lie mostly in what exactly constitutes an asshole as the EULA does a poor job of defining it. The way it’s worded makes it sound like you can have your key revoked because somebody was offended at you using the word asshole.

  47. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    April 22, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    The problem with this is the way things are worded its ripe for abuse, what constitutes “harassment” for example is pretty subjective. Heck, Gamergate is a good example of how bad things can be when it comes to that. How about the mess Honey Badger got into at Calgary Expo?

    It doesn’t help that they’re pointing fingers at other companies for being worse, as if that somehow makes them any better. Worse yet they had the gull to play the games are a license card, while acknowledging that is slowly coming into question in some countries, so they know what they’re doing is fishy.

  48. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 22, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    Most of these provisions are crap. Trying to restrict what mods are made and stealing people’s games for behavior is reprehensible.

    Look, you can ban people from playing online with others for behavior, that’s perfectly fine, but the moment you try to take away a single player game you are scum.

  49. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 22, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    Those forums are called Neogaf. Discredit the chosen ones and enjoy your ban. That’s why they’re a joke.

  50. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 22, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

  51. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 22, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    What if an offendatron deems you an asshole, gets their harpy squad to echo his/her cry and they decide the majority cannot be wrong and can your cd-key?

  52. Professional-Victim
    Professional-Victim
    April 23, 2015 at 2:14 am

    Not saying i agree with the eula but most eulas are much much worse for games.
    “Your are not to restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying any online features of the Software” Vague as hell and way worse, yet used for almost any online game/service.

    Many eulas outright ban modding all together or even showing off of the game in a public manner but i’m sure that didn’t keep anyone from buying gta v in this very comment section.

  53. Cole Pram
    Cole Pram
    April 23, 2015 at 8:54 am

    I was thinking this too. It would be hard to enforce, but likely it will be someone who’s offended by the colour green.

  54. Marcio #712
    Marcio #712
    April 23, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Too many games to play and not enough time. I’ll just skip this one. If I want someone to parent me I’ll hire a nanny.

  55. Rootbeer
    Rootbeer
    April 23, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    Well, I know one game that I’m not purchasing now. I was quite interested in this game too, shame, for it’s developers are childish pissbabies that will cry over words. I’m guessing that they’ll steal people’s money for saying “Fag” when they are themselves gay.

    I’ve been banned over that from many servers, ’cause people are children and can’t deal with a situation in an adult way.

  56. Rootbeer
    Rootbeer
    April 23, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    What if you’re banned because you said “Ya’ fag” to your friend over voice chat in a playful manner, fully consensual between the two of you and it’s overheard by a pissbaby that then followed up by sending in a report because they are triggered by a word, no matter its context?

  57. That Won Guy
    That Won Guy
    April 23, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    Speak with your money people. If you don’t want soc jus in games, don’t buy em. We all know SJW’s aren’t fuckin’ buying games. They barely gave a f*** when Sarkeesian gave Sword and Sworcery an endorsement.

  58. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    April 23, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    Ha, I figured neogaf would be like that. That place is a pile of garbage. The particular forum I had in mind at the time of making my remark was The Escapist forums.

  59. cookipuss
    cookipuss
    April 23, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    Someone should test this and challenge it in court. A precedent against this kind of thing would be very useful in the war against socjus.

  60. Ms_Fortune
    Ms_Fortune
    April 23, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Did you read the same story I did? It quite literally says they can’t enforce it and people are free to do as they will.

    Do you play any online games? They all have EULA’s similar to this, I’ll concede that the wording is very poor but people are making a huge deal over nothing, what you just replied to me is a fantasy scenario.

  61. TophatKiyaki
    TophatKiyaki
    April 24, 2015 at 1:58 am

    That would require regular policing of all servers with blanket automated bots, or dedicated employees reading an ever-growing list of logs actively looking for people to ban. They have already said that they have no intent, nor the resources, to actively police servers.
    Like I suggested before and has now been confirmed by them directly, they only intend to utilize this aspect of the game if someone grows to be so outrageously problematic that they can no longer be ignored. Playful banter, even taken out of context, is highly unlikely to see your CD key revoked, and as of now I’ve seen no reports of anyone having had their keys revoked in KF2, despite I myself have already come across some rather unsavory types (One admin started broadcasting white supremacy jargin at random during one of my early games on release day.), so under the circumstances you suggested there has already been grounds for Tripwire to start overtly utilizing this facet of the EULA, but they have not.

    That speaks volumes to their intent with it, in my opinion.

  62. TophatKiyaki
    TophatKiyaki
    April 24, 2015 at 2:15 am

    They actually do a better job than most, specifically listing “Griefing, Racist Bigotry, Sexism or “any other form of cyber bullying.” Yeah, it’s broad and would do well to be more defined, but at the same time they themselves have already come out and said basically the same thing I have: This aspect of the EULA exists to cover their ass if someone becomes such a problem child that they can no longer be ignored and outright need to be forced out of the community. They have no intention of putting the effort forward needed to utilize it under any other circumstances.
    As I said in my response to Rootbeer above, I’ve already come across some who would fall into the the categories listed above and I think it’d be unreasonable to say that no others have themselves had similar experiences (we are talking about an online FPS, after all.), yet there are no visible indicators of anyone having been banned as of yet. There are no reports of such activity on the steam discussion forums, the KF subreddit or on Tripwire’s official forums, despite there clearly being people whom have already acted in a way that would give Tripwire the right to revoke their keys.

    Hense, my relative neutrality towards this whole situation. Tripwire is a company that have shown themselves trustworthy not to dick their userbase over for stupid reasons in the past (unless you count releasing rather silly DLC of questionable value), so I trust them not to just suddenly start now.

  63. Rootbeer
    Rootbeer
    April 24, 2015 at 7:19 am

    Well I do not understand, if they do not have the resources to find people to ban them, why would they ban this admin you’re talking about? They do not have the resources, as you said yourself. Would that result with them only reviewing those people who are reported by players?

    If that is the case, then we will be in the same situation. You get accused of saying something racist because you called your friend “Nigger” when indeed you did it consensually. They won’t search for anymore evidence, as you said, if someone simply gets together 4-5 friends to send a report on you as well you might have your game revoked.

    What if you say something in the forums that is not generally agreed with? Perhaps, what if you go onto the forums and complain about this EULA, the admin deem you “disruptive” and take away the game from you because you used an offensive word to show an example of a sentence that might be deemed as harassment when it isn’t?

    To me, this entire thing just speaks to that they are threatening their customers and is getting an iron fist around speech on their community and whenever something is said that they do not like, they have grounds to literally STEAL money from them, no refunds for a game bought legitimately.

  64. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 25, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    Yeah, it is fantasy, but such fantasy that can be turned into a reality with this EULA.

    If the wording is poor, they could very well reword it. In a post-gamergate world, I’d rather not have any legal paper backing the actions of a hate mob that wants revenge for some perceived slight.

  65. Nutty McSpazatron
    Nutty McSpazatron
    April 25, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    The problem isn’t “hiding behind the internet”. It never has been. The problem is people are so sensitive and incapable of handling being an adult that they scream “I’m offended!” every turn they take on the Internet. 99% of “harassment” online is someone being a precious snowflake where their entire life was surrounded with bubble wrap. Then the real world hits them like a ton of bricks and they can’t handle it. Note I did not say ALL of it is harmless words and trash talk, but like “rape culture”, it’s nowhere near as pervasive as the social engineers and Progressives want you to believe.

    Taking someone’s key away for a violation of a nebulous policy is not good business. It can and will get you into hot water as a company if you try this in certain localities. Simply removing the offending content and banning from the forums is an acceptable way to handle this. Revoking a purchased key is not. It never will be.

    And with regards to “offensive”…. who decides what’s offensive? “Cunt” in Australia isn’t the same thing as “cunt” in the United States. So unless they’re going to spend millions of dollars accommodating every nation’s colloquialisms in their game, they should either amend this to the obvious illegal stuff like stalking and threats (credible threats, not typical e-peen bullshit), or pack their shit and go home.

    Life’s hard, buy a helmet. Life’s too short to be offended.

  66. Nutty McSpazatron
    Nutty McSpazatron
    April 25, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    The millennials grew up and became whiny adults as opposed to whiny children.

  67. Plzbanme
    Plzbanme
    April 25, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    No it is the internet. I could insult right here right now. Would anything meaningful happen to me? No. None at all. Won’t effect me one bit even with all this site’s power. The worse that could happen is I get banned. Nothing else can be done. I would go about my day and won’t even care to remember tomorrow.

    Beside they are talking about harassment. You know when keep following some one and bother them all day long. Insulting some one once or twice in a round for doing something stupid is completely ok. Just ranting on them isn’t.

  68. Nutty McSpazatron
    Nutty McSpazatron
    April 25, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    You make the assumption that I care about your insults. It’s nothing more than a pebble in the road. Freedom of Speech lets you do that. Why should you get banned for insulting? If insulting violates the TOS, sure. But we’re talking about a vague word like “offensive” and paid CD keys. Far more important than an insult from someone online…

    I’ve seen what most of these SJW’s consider “harassment” (and it’s not what you or I would consider harassment). Most of the harassment these people claim are ruining lives and the Internet is simple disagreements and words they don’t like. It’s as if their 2nd grade selves never grew up.

    There were insults before the Internet. There was harassment before the Internet. Now it’s just devolved into claiming EVERYTHING is harassment and that a person has a right not to be offended. People want to be treated equally, but they want to be treated “special” and have “safe spaces” to avoid “triggering” (which means confronting ideas and facts that are not part of their perfect little narratives.)

    There are better mechanisms online to prevent your “following all day” than in real life. I don’t consider “bothering” a grounds for banning either. Too many people on this planet are genuinely sure that the world revolves around them.

    They all need to grow up.

  69. Ben (Broken)
    Ben (Broken)
    April 26, 2015 at 12:11 am

    Unfortunately all I see for Killing Floor 2 on youtube is hype! That’s the problem,a lot of gamers are naive and simply don’t look at the “fine print” before jumping in. They see decent frame-rate, blood splatters, & body parts flying everywhere and it’s enough to get them to sell their souls and let their wallets get raped. (As their consumer rights are slowly taken away to boot)

    Luckily I don’t need this. RE Rev 2’s raid mode is fun enough & I also have L4D 1-2. I might check out Killing Floor 1 just out of curiosity.

  70. Plzbanme
    Plzbanme
    April 26, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    Your extremism is unwelcome. You are going on about how everything, everything, everything!
    This boils down to one thing. Don’t be jackass.

  71. Nutty McSpazatron
    Nutty McSpazatron
    April 26, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    My extremism? Seriously? Are you triggered now? Give me a break. The only one being a jackass in this conversation is you.

    Extremism? Are you high? I guess intelligent discussion is beyond your capacity.

  72. Plzbanme
    Plzbanme
    April 26, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    Listen I know it is beyond your ability to change your mind on this. I understand human thought. Even if there was a right answer here and you didn’t have it, you won’t accept the right answer. In fact because of my action you know feel more strongly about your ideals. I was just poking at you to see how much self control you had and ability to realize what you say.

  73. Nutty McSpazatron
    Nutty McSpazatron
    April 27, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    You did an average troll job, because I don’t know if you’re aware, but there are people who actually believe what you said…and stand by it.

    No, I don’t feel in any particular way. That’s the fun bit about facts… they’re emotionless. Sophistry on the other hand, is all about feelings. Something you’re obviously well aware of… or not. This is the internet. I couldn’t give two monkeys if you’re 1000 dogs typing on C= 64’s.

  74. sad to be human
    sad to be human
    April 24, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    lol so this is a gore full adult game and u cant make a nude mod… makes me sad to be human… as we humans now days are so effing stupid its mind blowing! not that im a prev.. all im saying is since its a mature game u sould be able to make mature mods.. its that simple but sadly thats not the case lol :(

  75. zgrillo2004
    zgrillo2004
    June 30, 2016 at 1:17 am

    Fuck this company. I hope someone shoots them on the head