Idea Factory Will No Longer Localize Games Which Need Censoring for Western Regulations

Idea Factory President Haru Akenaga made a pretty eye opening statement regarding the issue of censorship of sexualized women in the West.

In an interview with Operation Rainfall, they brought up the recent Dead or Alive Extreme 3 debacle, and how that affected them in deciding what they bring to the west.

Haru Akenaga had this to say:

That’s honestly their decision, but yes, sadly, it has stopped us from localizing certain Compile Heart games. We don’t want to censor anymore because we know that’s not true to the original developed art.

Operation Rainfall also asked if we can start seeing more Asia releases like Moero Chronicle in the future. Akenaga seemed more concerned in trying to fix the situation in the West:

That’s actually Compile Heart Asia’s decision, not really ours. We could start seeing that more in Asia, but maybe we should do something to change in the West in the future. Anyway, we just don’t want to censor anymore.

Despite Japan’s attitude towards sexuality being quite lax, it seems as though the West’s attitude is making it more difficult for certain kinds of games to make it here unchanged.

How do you guys feel about this entire debate? Sound off in the comments below!

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639 comments

Sarracenia
December 5, 2015 at 10:54 am

I actually kind of really like this, but at the same time, I love their games, and that kinda makes me really sad.

Glad they’re sticking to their guns tho.
Rance
December 5, 2015 at 10:54 am

I didn’t knew that the approval of the social marxists was a regulation.
Loli-Nox-Tan
December 5, 2015 at 10:55 am

Good on IF. It’s just not worth the headache
JackDandy
December 5, 2015 at 10:56 am

I don’t even like the Neptunia series, but this makes me sick.

SJWs and the culture of fear they perpetuate are the scum of the earth.
Fuck the hell off this industry.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 10:56 am

It’s a big shame but it’s nice to see that devs are basically saying “Fuck you! It’s my way or no way!” I can’t wait till the pussified socialist culture drops off the face of the Earth.
Verafice
December 5, 2015 at 10:57 am

Personally I read it under the context of yesterday’s uncensored MonMon for steam announcement and saw it as more of a positive thing. Like “we’re going to bring our games out in the west uncensored from now on.”

I clearly need to go and read the full original interview now.
evilmajikman
December 5, 2015 at 10:57 am

….what regulations? As far as I know, Western games allow more nudity than Japanese games. GTA5, the God of War series, BMX XXX…. If these games are going to get the M rating, just take it on the chin and get the M rating. :/
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 10:58 am

I don’t care what anyone says, i’d rather have a censored version of a good game than not get that game at all, if those are the only 2 choices. If getting it uncensored is an option then yeah great, but frankly I think anyone celebrating games simply not coming over just because it matches their principles is a short sighted fool
Hangmen13
December 5, 2015 at 10:59 am

Why would they even bother with a small demographic of loud, politically correct gestapos who don’t even buy their games?
Dakt
December 5, 2015 at 10:59 am

Good for them, I hope it works out
Dewey Defeats Truman
December 5, 2015 at 11:00 am

It really is sad that at this point the only options most localizers think they have are to butcher their projects or to not bring them over at all.
Dakt
December 5, 2015 at 11:00 am

Well there’s always the option of a game being denied classification, making it illegal to own, I believe. Alternatively, a lot of mainstream sellers won’t sell adult-only games.

Now if they got Play Asia or something involved and set up a stock deal…
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:01 am

Doesn’t matter if they can be sold if Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo won’t allow AO games on their consoles.
djluke_1993
December 5, 2015 at 11:02 am

I honestly think they mean one lines of Dungeon Travellers 2 kind of censorship which I do agree with.
Etherblaze
December 5, 2015 at 11:02 am

I hate this and I love this.

I hate that they won’t localize games uncensored because of puritans and SJWs. I hate that they’re basically bowing to them.

On the other hand, I love that they’re against censorship. They’re against butchering projects to bring them across.

I don’t know what to say. I’m sad.
Kain Yusanagi
December 5, 2015 at 11:03 am

#PCMasterRace. ;)
Katzedan
December 5, 2015 at 11:04 am

you know, I really hate any kind of censorship… but I still find better a censored game than no game at all (like happened with Xenoblade, Fatal Frame and many others)

hope that someday it can change for good and publishers can bring whatever they want without having to fight against all these haters/puritans/SJW >_>
Kain Yusanagi
December 5, 2015 at 11:05 am

Not M rating, AO rating, which wouldn’t be allowed on consoles (No law, just they don’t allow AO, stupidly).
Kain Yusanagi
December 5, 2015 at 11:05 am

So did I; I hope that’s what the idea is behind this.
tamlin69
December 5, 2015 at 11:05 am

Butchering projects also impacts sales, so it makes sense. Besides the howling SJW mob will probably find something to howl about in the butchered version.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:06 am

Less censorship is great and if they stick with uncensored games they’ll get more sales and a better rep with customers but this still worries me. I really hope this doesn’t lead them to always airing on the side of caution and not getting risky with licensing choices.

I can deal with content being censored that is absolutely necessary in being censored in order for it to not get an AO, but the Nintendo model of censorship though is the biggest problem in the industry right now.
tamlin69
December 5, 2015 at 11:06 am

Because they control much of the press, still. So they speak louder than their numbers. Sad situation.
Michael Richardson
December 5, 2015 at 11:07 am

This slow creep of censorship is getting out of control. Good on them.
CrabCombat
December 5, 2015 at 11:08 am

“We don’t want to censor anymore because we know that’s not true to the original developed art.”

Not getting certain games in the West sucks, yeah, but it’s nice to see some integrity from a localiser.

The “solution” to the problem in the West is simple, though. Just stop giving a fuck. The only thing that can stop you from putting a game out (on consoles) is an AO rating from the ESRB.

Stop caring about what the people who bitch and moan about your games think and trust in your fans to support you.
Doc Hammer
December 5, 2015 at 11:10 am

Developers should always stand up for their creations. I love that devs have the integrity to defend their choices, even though I’m sadden that this means less diverse games will be coming West. Maybe this will be an eye opener for people who don’t think SJWs are directly harming the industry?
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:10 am

Despite a lot of people here probably disagreeing with this sentiment, I understand what you mean. I really enjoyed playing Monpiece and am glad that the game made it over despite the censorship. And while the censorship didn’t need to be as big as it was, some of those cards would have probably pushed the game into AO territory.
Zanard Bell
December 5, 2015 at 11:10 am

Don’t listen to them, listen to us! Those SJW clackers won’t do anything but talk and never buy your games, so what is the point of catering to them?

Steam and PC gaming are on a roll with these JRPGs coming every single week. Don’t mess that up, please.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:11 am

The thing that bugs me is that if games just don’t come over, the SJWs still win. Devs and publishers simply agreeing with us isn’t winning, the content has still been kept out of the country. Games never coming over just means we lose harder. Like do you play a slightly altered version of a good game, or play nothing?

Supporting games simply not being localised is essentially inviting the SJWs to piss on your already beaten corpse
evilmajikman
December 5, 2015 at 11:14 am

Still don’t see how it would get an AO rating. Like I said, our games have way more nudity. You have topless strippers and can see Trevor dick in GTA5. Perhaps ESRB needs to be revised/replaced though because Hatred getting an AO rating made no goddamn sense.
Crayll
December 5, 2015 at 11:15 am

I’d prefer there be no need to censor it in the first place, but I suppose this is better than getting hackjob localizations with cut content. At least there’s always a chance of fan translations in the future this way.
Kain Yusanagi
December 5, 2015 at 11:16 am

erring*
And likely it’ll mean we’ll be seeing less console releases and more PC releases.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:16 am

Totally true, I have no issues supporting a game where a publisher was forced to censor a game due to potentially getting an AO rating.

However, making changes that don’t need to be made like in Nintendo’s case will cause me to not buy it no matter how small of a change it is.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 11:16 am

More like “beggar race”
Parkour
December 5, 2015 at 11:16 am

Someday, the word [Localization] will be synonym of “good quality, faithful translations and professional job”, instead of “butchered, cut, bastardized content and poor excuses because lol we consider this inappropriate and you don’t want it anyways”. Someday. I know it.

Meanwhile, companies like IF are starting to follow their principles and voicing their opinion against censorship, which is, in my opinion, a very important step. I have hope for the future.
koreawut
December 5, 2015 at 11:18 am

Why bother about the rights of the LGBT community?
Why bother about the % of gun owners who shoot people?
Why bother about the number of terrorists in any given group?

Mainly it’s about covering all their bases. If they don’t do enough, they are in trouble, if they do too much, the other side hates them, too. There’s no middle ground in the USA; no compromise. It’s all just a bunch of pussies on one side and a bunch of overly aggressive bitches on the other.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 11:19 am

So you still support their terrible practises by buying butchered localizations? Just because you want games to be “in english”?

Why haven’t you fucking killed yourself already?
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 11:19 am

No game that can be sold on consoles in Japan would get an AO rating here. Their rating system is less tolerant than the ESRB.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 11:21 am

Not releasing the games here at all is preferable to getting a butchered version, but I’d have a lot more respect for them if they just released the games unaltered, despite what a vocal minority of complainers will say.
koreawut
December 5, 2015 at 11:21 am

There are so many stupid idiots in the USA; so many ignorant pussies. Hey, I left and with very good reason.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:21 am

I usually base my decisions on how major the changes are, so something like what happened to Xenoblade or Fatal Frame doesn’t make the grade for boycotting

I’m sure some of the angrier people around here will start screeching at me about it (again), but I put quality games ahead of “making a point”
Cerzel
December 5, 2015 at 11:21 am

But there’s nothing that needs to be censored for western regulations in the first place. Of all these recent examples of Japanese games being censored in the west there hasn’t been a single case where the localisation company didn’t self-censor on their own initiative. The only relevant case was Agarest 2, where Pegi told Ghostlight not to refer to whatshername as a child in-game, but Ghostlight decided to just completely take an axe to every scene of hers instead.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:22 am

Because I have no reason to. You on the other hand might do humanity a favour by removing yourself from the gene pool

Though based on your personality i’d expect you’re likely already not going to contribute to it anyway, which is some comfort
Cerzel
December 5, 2015 at 11:23 am

“some of those cards would have probably pushed the game into AO territory.”
Which is why they’re now releasing it on PC with all the cards included, right? No, they just self-censored it the first time. It would never have been AO.
Ratmut
December 5, 2015 at 11:25 am

To hell with these SJWs! If they don’t like it, how hard is it for them to just stay away from it instead of trying to make others suffer!
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 11:26 am

Yeah nah faggots like you, that constantly lower their standards and screw others in the process, are part of the current problem.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:27 am

It’s amusing that you expect me to take someone who only knows how to make baseless assumptions and toss around insults seriously. You actually think you’re different to SJWs? Your goals may differ but your attitude is a mirror image

Pathetic. Try again when you grow up
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 11:30 am

Really? Who was the one calling others short-sighted fools?
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:30 am

There are probably different conditions involved with releasing it on PC, but yeah I do agree that some of the censorship was self-censorship which did bother me.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:32 am

I did however make a point before doing that. This kid is just going around screeching at people because he thinks his viewpoint is so infallible that he doesn’t have to explain himself and can just insult you till you go away

Just like an SJW. I’d have responded properly if he actually even attempted to make a point other than “lulkillurself”
inquisitormcsagington
December 5, 2015 at 11:34 am

One might hope for a DOAX3 situation-only release in Asia but with Eng
subtitles. It’d do me grand and I’m sure Play Asia and other importers
wouldn’t complain.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:35 am

If you aren’t going to contribute to constructive conversation then fuck off.

Some moderation in cases like this would be nice Niche Gamer…
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 11:36 am

He did make a point actually. You’re just lowering to their standards and are just plain okay with butchered ports. You let censorship go its way and there will be more of it.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:36 am

Surely moderation of any description is censorship

Even banning spam bots. Fucking gamerghazi tier mods around here, bring back the spam bots
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:37 am

Thanks for the correction. Yeah that could be the case in the future but for right now I still see companies like IF and XSeed working with the console/PC model for the sake of profit. Easier to make money when you can release games across more devices.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:37 am

He didn’t make a point he questioned mine. But in a way that essentially just requested the same answer i’d already given, that being “yes”. And then ended it with “lulkillurself”

That’s hardly contributing to discussion
Boku
December 5, 2015 at 11:38 am

“for Western regulations” or, more accurately, “for ‘journalists’ sensibilities”.

Just dont censor. IF is a niche dev as is, the negative press will have little sway on figures when the only real thing theyre going to bemoan is the lewd imagery.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 11:39 am

Piss off with your politically correct mentality. I’m fed up with that shit destroying communities and hobbies I care about.
WEL
December 5, 2015 at 11:39 am

mother of god. Are things really devolving into this?
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:40 am

And SJWs are fed up with aggressive children ruining things they care about

You see why I keep telling you you’re the same as them?

Two sides of the same obnoxious, worthless coin
Azure
December 5, 2015 at 11:40 am

As long as there are English-Asia versions like with DOAX 3 then we do not lose out.
Forty
December 5, 2015 at 11:40 am

Some censorship is necessitated by different cultural standards and regulations though. It’s not uncommon for a small piece of content to change the age rating of a game significantly, and by extension the audience it can reach.
Dewey Defeats Truman
December 5, 2015 at 11:40 am

If anything negative press will only help sales I’d think. I mean the kinds of people that get all morally self-righteous about games being too pervy or whatever aren’t gonna buy them anyway, but constantly complaining about them on their blogs will spread the word and maybe get more people who are interested to know about the games.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 11:41 am

Where is this “lulkillurself”? He basically called you a faggot for supporting the censored localization.
Dewey Defeats Truman
December 5, 2015 at 11:41 am

We do if the console is region locked. Thanks Nintendo.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:41 am

Love this website and was one of the first people to comment here but the comment moderation is terrible.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:42 am

Which isn’t constructive, and fucking pointless to say.
TWE
December 5, 2015 at 11:42 am

I think the west is due for another video game crash. That’ll learn ’em.
Cerzel
December 5, 2015 at 11:42 am

Just want to say, I do like that I can come to NG and see discussions actually happening in these posts, despite how heated they can get. It’s a refreshing amount of freedom compared to every single Gematsu article having a locked comments section and Zero saying “You guys were disagreeing too much so I had to shut it down >:(“.
Azure
December 5, 2015 at 11:42 am

Meh Nintendo consoles are cheap at least, just means the next gen will hurt in the west because people will go for the japanese versions instead.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:42 am

Referring to “why haven’t you killed yourself yet”

Either you didn’t finish the comment or he’s edited it at some point
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 11:43 am

So is calling others short-sighted fools.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 11:43 am

I’m not the one taking an arrogant stance, with the “I don’t care what anyone says” first until you piss yourself because you can’t take some heat.

How is the circjerk is going between you and bf313 btw?
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:43 am

Might be, but as long as it’s preceded by a constructive comment does that really matter. That’s the point I made in my first reply to you. I ended a point with an insult. Insults were his point
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 11:43 am

SJWs are the aggressive children here. What, being mad about them is wrong now? Are we supposed to pussy up and let them get away with it? Looks more like you’re the short-sighted fool here.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:43 am

Literally nothing that I said had anything to do with political correctness, you’re stretching really hard on that one. You’re being pointlessly aggressive and you need to calm the fuck down. I was the first person to begin commenting on this website and if anything you’re the type of person that ruins communities.
BioDevil_Dom
December 5, 2015 at 11:44 am

I’m pissed off more than anything right now. Why can’t content creators make what they want there’s a rating system for a reason use it! Don’t listen to these childern who are jealous that fictional characters look better than them.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 11:44 am

Yeah, didn’t that negative artcle from Nintendo Magazine UK result in more sales for Senran Kagura? IFI should handle negative criticism like this:
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/06/23/official-nintendo-magazine-uk-calls-senran-kagura-2-filth-xseed-producer-responds-in-kind/
Takane Shijou
December 5, 2015 at 11:45 am

Isn’t the future great?
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:46 am

So not allowing angry kids like you to sway my opinion is arrogant now? Hardly. I simply stand by my point. Hence “I don’t care”. You’re going to try to pressure me into changing my mind with obnoxious screeching and insults and i’m going to laugh at how pathetic you are and keep living in the real world where people like you are derided mercilessly for being so sad and annoying
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:46 am

Saying that people are being short sighted is an actual point in the argument though, calling someone a faggot isn’t.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:47 am

Are you saying this kid ISN’T an aggressive child? I mean one can clearly infer from context…

I never said SJWs aren’t. I’m comparing him to them for a reason
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 11:47 am

One of the best parts about this website is that we can speak our minds without being babysat by moderation. If you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:48 am

Attacking people that are trying to have a rational conversation about the situation isn’t being mad about “them”.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 11:48 am

Hope you read yourself what you’re writing because the irony is quite here.
21603
December 5, 2015 at 11:48 am

Doesn’t exactly leave much for them to bring over does it? On the one hand it’s great that they’re finally going to stop butchering games, but on the other, they, like Tecmo, seem to have lost their balls at some point in time and need to find them again.
TWE
December 5, 2015 at 11:48 am

East Asia/Southeast Asia is an emerging market and more of this will only help them. I don’t mind funneling money back to the old country.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 11:49 am

I can’t blame him for being pissed off especially in an article where some games are gonna stop being released from the West because of mentally-weak idiots. This politically-correct culture has caused so much BS lately that it’s amazing there hasn’t been more outrage.
Phantom
December 5, 2015 at 11:50 am

Guess that means no localization for Omega Labyrinth, at least from IFI.
Dgnfly
December 5, 2015 at 11:50 am

Finally a publisher that dares to say that SJW and Feminist are the reason why we can’t have certain games. cause a normaly human being with a brain could care less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkhUivqzWv0
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 11:51 am

There is nothing rational about SJWs. All they do is whine whine whine. Who else would be so offended by an image of a voluptous woman or a damn joke?
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:51 am

I agree and that is a great thing about this site but having people throwing around shade pointlessly isn’t constructive to conversation and ultimately makes the website look bad. Disagreeing with people and getting pissed about stuff is fine but attacking people directly pointless. I can handle whiny people on the internet but ultimately my concern is the professionalism that this website should have. We want better gaming journalism, then we need to actually take steps to ensuring that discussion is constructive.
TWE
December 5, 2015 at 11:52 am

It’s a catch 22. I went out and bought XCX anyways but I still don’t like what they are doing with these titles for the sake of drumming up attention for their game.

I am kinda bummed Nintendo got rid of Club because I always used that as a means to voice my concerns about a game. I feel like they are no longer interested in any sort of feedback which is a shame.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 11:52 am

Completely missed my point there dude
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:52 am

But that’s like saying “one can’t blame SJWs for being pissed off at ”

Of course you can blame people for their attitude and how they choose to act. He could have made a calm response that actually had a point to it and instead chose to run around screeching obscenities and trying to shout people down to avoid an actual debate where his lack of reasoning skills would be exposed

Seriously, the comparison is pretty clear
Mr0303
December 5, 2015 at 11:53 am

SJWs don’t take away out games guys! Just intimidate developers so that they never produce games that are considered a thought crime.

Didn’t anyone from this generation read George Orwell?
PenguinPlayer
December 5, 2015 at 11:54 am

Siliconera’s and Gematsu’s comments sections are just the worst.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 11:54 am

I can say what I want, and I’m currently pissed by seeing weak-willed individuals advocating others to lower their standards, or trying to have a higher morale ground.
Dgnfly
December 5, 2015 at 11:55 am

ya they full off bias SJW and Feminist your not allowed to discusse anything the Mods don’t like and will ban you for it.
Brandon Orselli
December 5, 2015 at 11:55 am

That means the world to me! We simply treat our fans as adults, with respect, you know?
Mr0303
December 5, 2015 at 11:55 am

These sort of tactics will make companies like PlayAsia a lot of money, but the downside is that it will be at the expense of the consumer. SJWs have a direct impact on the industry artificially raising the price of certain games.
Nin
December 5, 2015 at 11:56 am

Hopefully, they consider localizing games directly to Steam due to it’s more lax constraints if need be.
Eldhin Hellknight
December 5, 2015 at 11:56 am

Mmm… Not sure what i must think. It’s great indeed that they don’t want to censor another game, and that means that they learned from their first release (which we will get uncensored on PC) but it also sounds like they won’t try to bring many things outside what there’re releasing right now. I can be wrong of course, maybe they will keep releasing games with more and more ecchi stuff pero release. After all, that’s how violence got it’s place on games and companies don’t giving a fuck about SJW opinions are the reason why we will have a fucking beautiful DOOM filled with blood, guts and more blood. That’s what companies like IFI must keep doing
Kraus
December 5, 2015 at 11:56 am

I thought we held high the idea of Freedom of Speech within this great country of ours! Granted, the Supreme Court did enact a ruling that it doesn’t cover “Making and Distributing Obscene Materials” with Roth vs United States (1957) but that was later superseded by Miller vs California (1975) where the court redefined its definition of obscenity from that of “utterly without socially redeeming value” to that which lacks “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” It is now referred to as the Three-prong standard or the Miller Test. You can then argue that Neptunia and other Compile Heart games pass the Miller Test thanks to having a “Serious literary and artistic value” through representation of modern Japanese art and light literature. It can also pass the “scientific value” test through its use of technology as its medium.

Though I doubt that the little children of this day in age who are more than willing to throw our Constitution, the very foundation of our great nation, into a shredder just because they deem the thought of being contested with opposition due to the first amendment unbearable! I can not understand how someone who claims to be an American would withhold individuals and groups, whether non-profit or profit, from publishing their ideas for people to enjoy, study, and build upon! Truly we must be sure to engage with and teach the young of our nation the meaning behind The Constitution of The United States!

Though I might just sound like some over the top American Nationalist, I can assure to you that I just wish to see the open and free distribution of ideas within our nation of The United States without any kind of restriction whether it be by government or social outcry. I believe that people whom think such restrictions through government or social pressure can be considered worse than scum in my honest opinion when the constitution protects that individual’s or group’s right to publish!

In the year 1775 our great nation fought for its right to freedom and we have continued this fight into the modern age, may we never let the sacrifices of those before be disrespected!

May our great nation and our allies who share the same core believes of open and free speech prosper.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 11:56 am

It’s encouraging that devs are at least starting to speak up about the culture of fear. I hope they notice all the support they are getting from real gamers, and take it to heart.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 11:56 am

First of all, that “offensive content” can be easily avoided.If you can’t handle tits and ass, stop being a big baby and avoid it.

Second, most of these SJWs don’t even play videogames so you’re blindly defending people who are just there to cause problems.

So yeah, you are being more like a short-sighted fool with every post you make.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 11:56 am

If it is for things to end up like in gematsu and elsewhere, then screw that
Derp Minos
December 5, 2015 at 11:57 am

Considering MM is coming on Steam it’s likely they’d do this. We just have to hope the game sells well. Hopefully it will.
GethN7
December 5, 2015 at 11:58 am

I’m enraged. This is open admission SJWs are responsible for screwing over gamers, and want their influence over my hobby to cease so companies are no longer worried about these corrupt pious hypocrites.
CrabCombat
December 5, 2015 at 11:59 am

Omega Labyrinth is by D3 Publisher, I doubt IFI would have had anything to do with it anyway.

And D3 released the Onechanbara games in the West before XSEED did, so there’s a tiny bit of hope for either of them to bring it over.

Wouldn’t hold my breath but I wouldn’t completely rule it out either. Just pray it’s not NISA or others like them.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 11:59 am

I’m not defending them at all, proving that you either missed the point or are dodging it to avoid admitting that you were wrong about this guy who is exactly the same as SJWs with a different end goal. How can I criticise him and defend them if I think they’re both the same? C’mon
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 11:59 am

More than hope it sells well, we have to make it sell well. If we don’t support the companies who buck this censorship trend, then we only have ourselves to blame when it continues.
Megamatics
December 5, 2015 at 12:00 pm

If they would at least include English Subtitles it would be perfectly fine. I understand wanting to avoid the ESRB when it comes to getting an AO rating.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 12:00 pm

The people have gone too passive nowadays.
Nin
December 5, 2015 at 12:00 pm

I blame communists. It sounds like I’m joking, but I’m really not. Such is the state of affairs in this country.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 12:01 pm

I’m sure i’m wasting my time explaining this (again) but I never labelled anyone a pedo, I said that the rest of the world is going to, and that you can’t end censorship without getting those people on board

Not getting Japanese games at all isn’t ending censorship, it’s accepting it as inevitable and giving up

I told you that you probably DESERVE to be labelled one but that’s because you’re such a dick that I got bored and lowered myself to your level
Boku
December 5, 2015 at 12:01 pm

Sure, but its not to the level all this is making it sound.

An example I can point to was in Agarest 2(?) where there is a mini-game in which you can “massage” members of your party to give them “Ecstacy time”. Normally not a problem, but there is a character called “Fiona (child)”. PEGI told NISA that the implication of giving a known child “ecstacy time” was a bit too on the nose and said it would be fine if they just removed the (child) part of her name. The implication may still be there, but its utter deniability at that point. Their reaction was to remove the character from participating in the mini-game instead.

Hell, in Nep Mk2 theres a rather vivid scene in which one of the baddies speaks at length how much he enjoys licking the navels of young girls (and does so with audio). That pushed the 12 rating of previous titles up to a 16. Not even an 18, let alone needing to be censored to make the cut.

Unless youre moving from an 18 to a “cant be sold in a store” rating then the audience to be reached is no bigger or smaller. Many people just buy online. A lot of fans of nicher titles/devs like this will opt to buy direct given the opportunity — NISA always plowed through their immediate stock with one exception: Mugen Souls. The one major title they came out saying they “had to” censor.

This affects Japan, the US and the EU all in different ways. Just go compare the ratings boards in each region. The US heavily regulates lewd imagery but is fine with violence, Japan is tolerant of lewd but pretty strict on violence and the EU is kinda meh on both fronts to a point (although violence shoots a rating up faster than lewd).

You really just got to take it as it comes. Butchering a game for the potential of new customers is guaranteeing (some) old ones avoid. I know Im not alone when I say I have removed games from my wishlist when they remove content. IFI got an earful when they did it for Monpiece, and they didnt even get a lower rating for doing so.

“Cultural standards”, my fucking arse. Im buying Japanese games for THEIR take on culture, not to have it warped to try and mix in here.
Mr0303
December 5, 2015 at 12:02 pm

I guess this is what happens in times of peace.
Riagan
December 5, 2015 at 12:03 pm

I’ve come to the realization that unfortunately this will become the norm as more and more japanese developers start to “feel the heat” over this kind of non-issues. Because of that, the only possible solution I see (at least for myself) is to go back to my japanese books and start learning again. No, it’s not the best solution, no it isn’t cheap, no it’s not going to apply to everyone BUT, in today’s world with today’s rules is the only way you can be 100% sure that the game you’re playing is the game de developer intended you to play.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 12:03 pm

Getting pissed off because of unnecessary changes isn’t the same as getting pissed off over titty and panty slips. One individual is getting pissed over censorship of something that has always been vs. a weak-minded individual who’s getting mad over something they were never a fan of.

You’re also not seeing the big picture. If more people buy censorship, it will just get worse and worse.

You continue to prove your own short-sightedness.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 12:05 pm

“Not getting Japanese games at all isn’t ending censorship, it’s accepting it as inevitable and giving up”

Says the guy who buy the butchered localized games and don’t think it’s only proving localization teams that what they’re currently doing is completely fine since they get the money.

Also what is importing? Not the best thing for consumers but it’s still a possibility.
Kiryu
December 5, 2015 at 12:06 pm

Repeat after me;sjws don’t exist,sjws don’t exist,it’s only your imagination.
Bitterbear
December 5, 2015 at 12:10 pm

Maybe they should start portraying the villains in their games that are not coming to the West as hook-nosed, fat bitches with granny glasses, and pink fauxhawk hairdos.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 12:12 pm

Importing a game I can’t understand? I already said before, I have to work I don’t have time to learn a complex language over something like this. I’d love to learn Japanese but it’s hardly viable unless I sacrifice every other element of my free time to do so. Gotta dedicate time to gaming, personal relationships, reading, computer programming. Japanese does not factor in

So no, importing isn’t a possibility
Phantom
December 5, 2015 at 12:13 pm

Ah I thought Omega Labyrinth was complie heart. Good to hear there’s still a slight chance then.
SolidSalamander
December 5, 2015 at 12:13 pm

I’m happy since they’re clearly against censorship, but I hate that this means no Western releases if the ESRB is likely to slap an AO rating on it without the game being change or censored in some way, which is bullshit. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo need to grow the fuck up. Plenty of people would buy AO games, but I guess the companies can’t bring themselves to allow AO games on their respective systems because of all the “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” types, of course now it’s more of “THINK OF THE WOMYN’S FEELINGS!” types….All this shit is just like a big rehash of shit from the 90’s/early 2000’s with Jack Thompson, Fox News, etc. Except now it’s Anita Sarkeesian and a bunch of SJWs on Twitter and Tumblr whining and screeching like the harpies they are.

All this being said, I hope that Compile Heart/Idea Factory make it accessible for Western fans by releasing an Asian version with competent English subs, like they did for Moe Chronicle or like KT is doing for DOAX3. There’s definitely no way a game like Moe Chronicle would’ve made it to western store shelves without being censored, and quite heavily I’d imagine; and I have no qualms about importing a game with English subs already in it when I know the game is uncensored.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 12:14 pm

You do know many of them have the English subtitle option, right? There’s even fan translation patches so really, you’re just making excuses.
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm

This is perhaps the most bitter sweet sentiment I’ve heard on the issue. I am not surprised since I knew this was setting a very dangerous precedence. We need to now more than ever make it clear to developers that their money lies in not giving a fuck about these toxic parasites.

I am happy that games that would be censored won’t be brought over here. But on the other hand who sets the standard of what should be censored?

This shit can’t go on much longer there has to be a tipping point where people say no more.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm

And not getting games at all is going to have the opposite effect somehow? Of course not. It has the exact same effect. You can’t cure censorship by treating the symptoms. The only way to do it is to make people stop wanting censorship. So sitting around circle jerking on NG or, as the other kid demonstrates, screeching at people who are TECHNICALLY on your side and just disagree on methods, is a pointless waste of time

Either go convince the SJWs and general public or don’t claim to be doing anything to end censorship, because you’re not and it’s embarrassing

Also it doesn’t matter why he’s pissed, I said from the start that they have different goals, i’m comparing their attitudes and methods. But you know that because I’ve said it like 10 times now, you just can’t admit that you were wrong
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm

Take the Genki books. Learn things at least 30 minutes a day and here ya go. Problem solved in a few months.
someguy
December 5, 2015 at 12:16 pm

I may be wrong, but here we’re not talking about that. Most of the time is not a matter of “vocal minority of complainers”. We’re mostly talking about laws agains child pornography, not opinions, who made them change some things to be safe.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 12:19 pm

Devs shouldn’t give a fuck and just release games as it is but unfortunately (as in Tecmo’s case), they aren’t gonna listen. And really, if we’re even allowing these whiners to speak for all us, we don’t deserve any localized Japanese games.

Either gamers shame these SJWs and GamerGhazi losers or we lose. SJWs can’t be reasoned with so convincing is pointless.
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm

Remember everybody “THEY’RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GAMES AWAY”
BurgerUnit
December 5, 2015 at 12:22 pm

They should just release whatever they want unaltered (ofc provided it didnt get an AO rating, then I would say Asian release with English Sub but honestly…).

Make money, expand and support your fan base – why deny yourself that to try to appease a bunch of miserable people who don’t like you by default?

These people are poison and eventually they will move onto another target once they begin looking petty enough (I am sure they find several things to be offended by every day).

I challenge any of these SJW to provide me statistics on how a game like Senran Kagura has made the world a worse place. Unless bringing fun and joy via a silly game is now bad , I dont fucking know anymore.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 12:22 pm

I think you’re overestimating how many games are fully English subbed from Japan. Also menu text

And import taxes, region locking, etc etc etc

I’m not making excuses, you’re making up defenses. Importing for a non-Japanese speaker with no Japanese consoles is NOT viable
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 12:22 pm

“i’m going to laugh at how pathetic you are and keep living in the real world where people like you are derided mercilessly for being so sad and annoying”
You may as well stop that faggotery right now.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 12:23 pm

My time is very limited and I value learning programming over learning Japanese (if I were to cut anything from my schedule it’d have to be that since i’m not gonna turn into a recluse and gaming/ reading would be the point of learning Japanese)
Steven T.
December 5, 2015 at 12:24 pm

As the saying goes, “give me liberty or give me death”. I remember when the initial Monpiece debacle happened, I would’ve preferred that they just drop the game if it meant they had to censor it, and maybe give the game to someone with the balls to do it. In other words, give me everything or give me nothing. Looks like they’re taking the advice.

Personally their reason is much better than others who simply go “Oh we don’t wanna bring this here because sexy women”. They know that the market they appeal to is niche, and the tolerance for censorship lowers the smaller the audience is, and their refusal to censor anymore (hopefully if Monpiece on Steam is uncut) at least shows their understanding.

But now more than ever we’re gonna have to fight hard to bring those games over, and trump those who seek to intimidate these developers/publishers. Show then that WE ARE their audience, and no big wig SJ blogger can take that away from us.
HarisO
December 5, 2015 at 12:24 pm

The problem is that Japanese games have moe characters that look relatively young, which is a massive no-no in the West. It doesn’t matter if they are above the age of consent or anything, Western sensibilities will always make this a difficult topic (see various countries in the West trying to ban uncouth images of drawn characters that look underage. That would be the death knell to a great many Japanese games where that’s simply part of the asthetic)
Kraus
December 5, 2015 at 12:25 pm

I’m sure you can place some blame upon the communistic population in our nation. Just remember though that they too have a right to freedom of speech within our borders as citizens. Though I do not agree with their ideas, I will permit them to share them and then rebuttal with my own ideas on the matter at hand. The idea of placing restrictions upon one’s natural rights should be feverishly argued and dismantled, for with restrictions that person can be prosecuted for their ideas.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 12:25 pm

Whoever is talking about laws against child pornography is an idiot, since that has no relevance here.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 12:26 pm

Obviously there’s region-locking and lack of ENG subs but that doesn’t mean the types I’m talking about don’t exist.

You just want to support censorship and could care less. You even said you didn’t care.
Chino Gambino
December 5, 2015 at 12:27 pm

Crazy talk, we are just arguing what you like is a danger to mental health and by its existence is an affront to morality! Why would you suggest we want it banned?
Guest
December 5, 2015 at 12:29 pm

I think the best thing we can do is send these companies our assurances that they don’t need to be worried about feminist critics and internet activists. They’re not the ones interested in these games in the first place, and absolutely nothing is achieved by pandering to them or not bringing games over because of them. They’re completely outside of this developer-customer relationship when it comes to these Japanese games. If you’re making something for people who love that thing, you don’t worry about the people who don’t like it.
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 12:30 pm

Give these people an inch and they’ll want a mile give them a mile and they’ll want ten. Never give into these toxic parasites. Yes it’ll be messy for not giving into them but in the end we’ll be better off for it.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 12:30 pm

I never said anything of the sort and you’re making assumptions

You expect me to pay out of my VERY limited money for JP consoles, import taxes etc to play games that I can only partially understand, or keep all of my consoles on outdates OSs so I can run custom firmware for ENG patches, preventing me from playing certain new releases that need the latest updates (unless I buy 2 consoles because that’s totally viable), rely on the inconsistent fan translation community actually finishing things and hoping that they actually pick up the projects I care about, etc etc

It’s obvious that it’s not actually reasonable to do any of this
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 12:30 pm

THIS
someguy
December 5, 2015 at 12:31 pm

Okay.
Nin
December 5, 2015 at 12:31 pm

For me, it’s gotten to the point where I value my anti-censorship principles more than I value a good game.

I’m annoyed that I have to choose one or the other, but that’s the way it is.
Urobolus
December 5, 2015 at 12:32 pm

just censor my shit up senpai.
Nin
December 5, 2015 at 12:33 pm

Yeah, last thing I want is another Red Scare.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 12:33 pm

“We’re mostly talking about laws agains child pornography”
Andrew Krasy
December 5, 2015 at 12:34 pm

Yes, let’s try to appease the people who never bought and will never buy any of your games because they complain loudly on the internet, instead of focusing on your actual customers.
That’s a surefire way to success.
Arbitrary
December 5, 2015 at 12:34 pm

“We don’t want to censor anymore because we know that’s not true to the original developed art.”

This guy.

I like this guy.
King of Zeroes
December 5, 2015 at 12:37 pm

I’m glad there are still companies trying to localize games without caving to puritanism.

At least they’re trying, as opposed to some localisers who are happy to butcher someone elses game to protect their own delicate sensibilities.
G. H.
December 5, 2015 at 12:38 pm

Not in the U.S it isn’t. Ratings are voluntary and not regulated by the government in anyway. If they really wanted to make a statement they would sell them direct on PC bypassing all physical and digital retailers. Unfortunately Japan doesn’t online.
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 12:39 pm

Remember the Nazi party didn’t need the majority of the German’s approval either.
Vitor Santos
December 5, 2015 at 12:40 pm

Time to learn Moon.

Kudos to Idea Factory
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 12:42 pm

Same difference
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 12:42 pm

The only problem with that who is going to be the ones to set the precedence of what is approved and what isn’t? Censorship only happens to either protect secrets or to adhere to different cultural standards. Those standards are always changing and the SJW’S have poisoned the well immensely at this point. It doesn’t take a majority to shift cultural perceptions and the censorship that comes with it after all.
TRUndercover
December 5, 2015 at 12:45 pm

“…..that’s not true to the original developed art.”
This right here. The developer made their vision a reality fully realized in the interactive media that they provide to us the fans in form of a game. If any ratings body such as the ESRB has qualms about the content presented, do your jobs, accept whatever rating you get and let rational fans capable of making decisions for themselves purchase and use said products. Is your games for Adults Only?…. Then by all means, let it loose and market it accordingly The opinion that matters and the proceeds you are after come from only one source… The fans. The ratings body and bickering loud minorities are nothing more than gates to get past. With the latter especially not really worth it when it comes to presenting what you intended for your work.

This statement and others like it are welcome; BUT it should never have come to this point in the first place.

Just wait until we reach a point where whole sections of a game are chopped off just because somebody somewhere isn’t comfortable with something or other. This has gotten ridiculous.
CrusaderEsper
December 5, 2015 at 12:45 pm

Well that’s halfway there. Now they just need to not care about SJWs and soccer moms and localize the games uncensored in the States anyway. Nothing in any of their games would push the rating into AO territory. We’ll have definitive proof of that if they submit Monster Monpiece to the ESRB for rating on Steam.
evilmajikman
December 5, 2015 at 12:45 pm

idk if I buy that though. Senran Kagura games have come to the US with minimal backlash. I think the youngest character in that game is 15, but they never mention it in the English versions. Otherwise those games are uncensored and get M ratings. Arcana Heart 3 is another example of having younger girls in compromising positions and that game got a T rating.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 12:47 pm

That’s not as big of a problem as apologists make it out to be. It’s just an excuse.
AzureNova
December 5, 2015 at 12:48 pm

I guess this is good and bad. It feels like the SJW idiots kinda won, but at the same time our gaming media isn’t being butchered to death. Hopefully someone will not give a fuck and localize the games that other companies dropped or wont.
Immahnoob
December 5, 2015 at 12:50 pm

Don’t have them region locked and give us subtitles. Sell them digitally and also give us the option to import them.
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 12:50 pm

They’re not citing ratings and regulations though, sounds more like their worries are related to the bashing they get.

Some people will say this isn’t censorship.
But can anyone say this is ok?
That
they’re afraid of what the SJW will do to hurt them so much they get
bullied into not being able to release the games they have, games they
know their fans want ?
Of course not.
It’s disgusting.
It’s like dark ages puritanism, third world regime oppressive level of wrong, dystopia tier scary.

It’s called indirect censorship and it’s when the mob lynches someone for daring use that “Free speech” they supposedly have.

It is disgusting and on principle, wrong.
NukeA6
December 5, 2015 at 12:50 pm

“I don’t care” was literally the first thing you said in the comments. If you honestly gave a damn, you wouldn’t be so passive with political correction. If you think you’re actually solving problems by being the do-nothing bitch, you already made me laugh.

You do realize many of these games are on PC, right? You won’t even have to worry about region locks and high prices. It doesn’t even take a lot of skill to build a decent one or buy a PC and upgrade it (which are cheaper than new consoles BTW).

You want to say I’m making assumptions yet you continue to make a hypocrite of yourself and make as many short-sighted excuses.
azariosays
December 5, 2015 at 12:51 pm

Man that operation rainfall sure has a cool dood who goes out and does these interviews ;)

Thnx for reading this interview everyone and I love all of your comments. I go to these events to give people with your views a bigger voice in the industry. We don’t have enough joirnalist asking the questions that niche gamers are constantly discussing and asking themselves. I hope to make you all proud as I have some other interviews lined up in the future that will I will be sure to include these crucial questions in hopes to take steps towards changing this industry we love so much.

Read the entire interview and I love all the comments! This is a great community!
Immahnoob
December 5, 2015 at 12:52 pm

I’m not entirely sure where you and the other dudes are coming from. They’re talking about AO ratings most likely.
BurgerUnit
December 5, 2015 at 12:52 pm

Keep up the great work and thanks for representing us. The guys here at Niche Gamer too, kudos!
CrusaderEsper
December 5, 2015 at 12:53 pm

Hatred is a special case. It’s a game where the whole point is you going around brutally murdering innocents. It is graphic and extremely violent. ManHunt 2 was also originally flagged with an AO rating until they toned it down a bit. It’s not unheard of for an extremely graphically violent game to get an AO rating, it’s just very rare.
Immahnoob
December 5, 2015 at 12:55 pm

They had the majority when it mattered.
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 12:55 pm

Thank the staff here at Nichegamer. They treat us like adults here and not petulant children who need mommy’s approval. This is why I consider this to be the best site for nichegaming.
azariosays
December 5, 2015 at 12:56 pm

You certainly found a great community here, no doubt!
MusouTensei
December 5, 2015 at 12:56 pm

On one side it sucks that we will miss out on games, on the other side it really is the only right thing to do, I rather HAVE to import a japanese game and use a guide to play it than seeing it butchered for a west release, I’m sick of this garbage.
Also
“We could start seeing that more in Asia, but maybe we should do
something to change in the West in the future. Anyway, we just don’t
want to censor anymore.”
Damn straight… no actually only the US really, most of europe has not caught on this PC puritan retardation, yet. But I guess localizing just for europe is not profitable enough sadly, can’t even be mad at IF about that.
Jack
December 5, 2015 at 12:57 pm

JUST LET ME PLAY VIDEO GAMES I WANT TO IN ENGLISH
I DON’T CARE IF IT OFFENDS PEOPLE, I WANT ANIME TITS
Joshua T. Calkins-Treworgy
December 5, 2015 at 1:00 pm

If the fear is that the games will receive an AO rating from the ESRB or that they will be lambasted on social media by certain ‘camps’ of individuals, then I would pose the following question: who among us believes for one second that folks from that ‘camp’ would be inclined to purchase their games in the first place? If you have a known quality in your user base (read: paying customers who actively desire your product), then your first obligation should be to them, not to placating the screaming people who want to abuse systems such as Twitter and Facebook in order to incite a mob of people who wouldn’t give a shit anyhow.

As regards the Neptunia games, I haven’t had the privilege to play any of the titles in this apparently popular RPG series, but as a heavy RPG enthusiast, I am always saddened when my genre of choice is pinched in any way. While I applaud the decision not to give in to Western censorship standards (which seem more inspired and enforced by the ‘camp’ I alluded to earlier than by any actual on-the-books regs), I have to wonder if perhaps a more honest method of striving against such standards would be to localize the games in their original format, instead of punishing loyal fans by withholding titles from them.
Derek
December 5, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Maybe this is regret from causing all of the problems involving localization efforts starting in the 2011 when Neptunia got announced and localized. The thrashing CH games got from reviewers for sexualizing minors and just plain cheap fanservice finally got to the companies with that kind of reputation in convincing they have caused so much damage to the reputation of Japanese gaming industry overseas.
BurgerUnit
December 5, 2015 at 1:03 pm

I agree. Neptunia U got a T rating and it had the two twins in it. Nobody cared.
Psycho_bob
December 5, 2015 at 1:04 pm

Modern feminists are tinfoil hat conspiracy theories who believe in a gender illuminati holding down women and minorities.
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 1:04 pm

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100702075024AAakpN1
Immahnoob
December 5, 2015 at 1:04 pm

“Well there’s always the option of a game being denied classification, making it illegal to own, I believe.””

That’s not the case in many countries actually.
Joey
December 5, 2015 at 1:04 pm

What has Marxism got to do with any of this?
Immahnoob
December 5, 2015 at 1:05 pm

You forgot the part where it said “when it mattered”.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 1:06 pm

The current state of western society
Bananalint
December 5, 2015 at 1:08 pm

Well none of the games need censoring anyway so…
Derek
December 5, 2015 at 1:13 pm

AO territory. God of War had bare tits. This saving face period.
CrusaderEsper
December 5, 2015 at 1:13 pm

NicheGamer picked the worst image for the header of this article. The Neptunia games aren’t going anywhere. Only one of the NINE titles released in this series was rated M with the rest all getting a Teen, and the remake of that M game was a Teen. Rest assured unless the franchise goes off the deep end and goes straight to porn, Neptune and friends are safe.
Problematic Prinny
December 5, 2015 at 1:14 pm

[Citation needed]
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 5, 2015 at 1:15 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eh_z3Z2y4M
OSad
December 5, 2015 at 1:18 pm

At this rate, we’ll have a minority of uncensored games!!
Derek
December 5, 2015 at 1:18 pm

When they run ign and big reviewers they have to listen unless you want snarky articles about their upcoming games
Derek
December 5, 2015 at 1:19 pm

Loook on the bright side at least you arent banned.
Problematic Prinny
December 5, 2015 at 1:20 pm

Get a load of this aggressive child
Yabloko Molloco San
December 5, 2015 at 1:24 pm

Seems like they are more afraid of another Rapelay incident than anything else.

Probably they’ll go with the english subbed route for imports.
Konaruki Hirasawa
December 5, 2015 at 1:29 pm

Give us the power to import them
deadeye
December 5, 2015 at 1:32 pm

So here’s why I have a hard time believing this.

Controversy has only ever been a positive thing as far as sales go. GTA, Doom, Mortal Kombat, Hatred, all these games got the wide spread attention they did because of how controversial they were. Hatred in particular, that game would have been absolutely nothing if it wasn’t edgelord extreme.

You might think “well that’s violence, not sex appeal”. Okay, Dragon’s Crown got the notoriety it did because of outrage. It’s pretty much DoA’s entire marketing strategy (and why I think KT’s “reasoning” for not localizing DoAX3 is also a complete lie).

So yeah, I don’t buy it for a second. Don’t want to censor, then don’t censor. Let the outrage work to your advantage. A company that wants to make money isn’t going to say “No, we don’t want money because some people will be upset, which will only cause them to give the game attention, which will make the game more visible, which means more people will hear about and thus generating more potential customers that otherwise might not have been reached”.

Although maybe I’m jumping the gun here. Maybe these certain games contain suggestive images with characters that look like children. If so…well, that’s understandable I guess. Personally, I find that sort of thing to be a bit distasteful, so it’s no harm to me, and I guess they get to save face.
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 1:34 pm

They’re also being honest about it with their fans.

The situation is terrible, the SJW are like modern puritans on a witch hunt and all, but IFI is being awesome about this and I love their honesty and integrity.
wombat
December 5, 2015 at 1:35 pm

What “Western regulations”? There’s no such thing.
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 1:36 pm

It’s a complex and long story.

TL;DR marxism is like the dinosaur to the SJW bird, which goes back to some teachings that have been spread around american colleges for the past few decades and some merging with imported ideology during the second wave feminism.
Go D. Usopp
December 5, 2015 at 1:37 pm

A good PC costs a lot more than a new console. I know, because my family managed to get a PS4 for £207. New. I’ve looked into building a PC. It’s expensive. And a lot of games don’t come to it. Keep trying but you’re getting nowhere

And you’re intentionally taking my “I don’t care” so far out of context that you probably don’t even remember what the context was. I said “I don’t care what people say”. As in, inb4 whiny kids screech at me about how i’m contributing to some made up Orwellian nightmare by liking to actually have games to buy. At no point did it say “I don’t care about censorship”. I simply don’t believe that boycotting is healthy for the industry, no matter how much you make up ridiculous claims, importing is not viable either financially OR in terms of actually having a decent number of things to play and no amount of immature yelling and calling me a faggot will do anything to convince me otherwise
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 1:37 pm

I got banned from siliconera for stating that I, personally, felt salty about censorship in a game.
No insults.
No hyperboles.
Just me stating that I personally did not dislike a change and was mad at it.
Bam, banhammer.
Asuka
December 5, 2015 at 1:39 pm

This is really the best option for gamers. Just completely bypass the whole localization part. This gives US gamers the game sooner and it gives us the true version of the game (not butchered in translation, redub, and censorship).

Money talkes. When the entire localization market starts to see their workload and their profits drop they will have to atone for their record of SJW fuckery. When they have to start laying people off because there isn’t enough work for them, they won’t be able to hide behind condescending meme translations and censorship. They will be forced to shape up or ship out.

Meanwhile us gamers will be enjoying our beloved games unmolested by those looking to profit off us while injecting their hypocritical Puritanical/SJW beliefs. It honestly sounds like a win win for us.
Lady Sniffer
December 5, 2015 at 1:41 pm

It’s good to see a publisher that doesn’t want to censor the games
they bring to foreign markets. I mean, that’s the whole point of games
that come outside of your country – they contain different values and
ideas that can clash with your own beliefs, but can also bring you new
light that you never would have considered before. To censor it is to
defeat the entire purpose of bringing it to other countries.

However,
it also pains me to see that Idea Factory is letting the people who
want censorship win. The fact that we aren’t getting the game at all is a
form of censorship in itself. What IF needs to do, and what all other
Japanese devs who find themselves at odds with the political watchdogs
in other countries need to do, is just not care. Release it anyways. Any
amount of backlash and criticism can only bring more attention to the
integrity of the original artist in not compromising for other markets.
To me, that integrity is incredibly more respectable than any amount of
“Cultural Sensibilty” ever could.

And it may seem
daunting and not worth all the trouble it brings, but once all the waves
of harking subside (Which they usually do after a few days when the
social nitpickers get a new target to harass), what we’ll be left with
is a good game released untainted for the dedicated fans who have no
other way of playing it. And once the first few publishers pioneer into
pure release territory, other publishers will feel comfortable in doing
so too. For all the publishers who want someone to follow in releasing
uncensored games, do it yourself. Be the change you want to see, and
inspire other publishers to not be afraid. After all, sticks and stones
can break your bones, but the names will never stop games from being
fun.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 1:47 pm

Excellent analogy. To make a long story short Joey, basically after the workers of the world failed to unite, the leading Marxist thinkers gathered at a place called the Frankfurt School and came up with a new scheme to gradually change the values of the West. This is the root of political correctness, identity politics, and so forth. To finally make Western society susceptible to Marxism, they decided they would first have to take a “long march through the cultural institutions”.

One of the tools they came up with to achieve this is something called “critical theory”. The whole kind of critique we see from the likes of Polygon and Loltaku is basically critical theory applied to gaming. Interestingly, when Zoey Quin did her nudes, she posed with a copy of The Prison Diaries by Antonio Gramsci, one of the prominent cultural Marxist thinkers.

“Among Marxists, Gramsci is noted for his theory that cultural hegemony
is the means to class dominance. In his view, a new “Communist man” had
to be created through a changed culture before any political revolution
was possible. This led to a focus on the efforts of intellectuals in the
fields of education and **MEDIA**.”
DashFan686
December 5, 2015 at 1:54 pm

He’s right actually, Cartoon and by extension Video Game Medias are immune to Child Pornography laws since there is no victim
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 1:59 pm

What worries me the most is what if they start censoring their creativity from the source?
By toning down the content of the game, like Nintendo seems to be forcing Atlus to do with the new FE IF.

If japanese games stop being japanese they won’t bode well.
But I guess that’s something supply and demand would sort out naturally.
Kiryu
December 5, 2015 at 1:59 pm

Men having fun is offensive to them.
Dgnfly
December 5, 2015 at 2:00 pm

i haven’t been banned by them but i made a cryptic statment at a article called: Capcom Didn’t Want To Make Devil May Cry 4’s Gloria Vulgar, But Did Anyway

the statment was.
these days with dumb western political correctness they would even feel cartoon characters need rights. that kinda shows how insane this world is.

before ya know it your not allowed to dream or it might sexcist or dangerous.

their Feminist admin ”puchinri” wondered what i meant so i said:i’m talking about feminazi, you do know that anita sarkisiaan would
probably call a character like this objectification of women. that kinda
dumb political correctness.

so i kept debating so she eventually deleted my comments constantly and even would ban me if i continued.

in other words all ppl who made comments like they are made here about SJW and feminist weren’t allowed cause off her butthurt views.

in my eyes a Moderator needs to stay neutral.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:00 pm

How the fuck did so many SJWs infiltrate localization? It makes me want to vomit. Just look at this fiasco with Blade & Soul.

https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/142278-blade-and-soul-is-being-censored-despite-them-previously-saying-otherwise/
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 2:00 pm

Maybe it’s battered wife syndrome.
When you get told you’re stupid, ugly, offensive, all you do is wrong, and you get hit for it over and over eventually people start believing it even if it is wrong.

SJW have been blasting japanese games frome very front they can for a good while now.
Vault Man
December 5, 2015 at 2:01 pm

While yes, the problem also is that we are beginning to see people on these localizer teams changing stuff because it hurts their fee fees. That shit has got to stop.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:02 pm

McIntosh would give you some bullshit like “Media creates culture, and culture creates misogyny. “
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:03 pm

The West is going to hell in a hand basket fast. Most Western countries are very socialist, and even America is becoming increasingly more socialist these days. Soon free speech will be a thing of the past.
Kiryu
December 5, 2015 at 2:04 pm

And McIntosh creates con artists.
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 2:04 pm

The small demographic of loud, politically correct gestapos happens to own, control, manage or staff at least 90% of the mainstream videogame news and reviews sites most people browse.

They’re also not above lies, misinformation and banding together to conspire against companies.
These are not hyperboles, they are proven facts that have been unleashed through the gamergate days, email listings to conspire and conversations prove it.

If one of them doesn’t like your game, they can call each other and all get together and agree to report everything about the company that made it in a negative light, omit the good stuff, and paint you as a terrible company.
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 2:05 pm

There’s legal state no regulation requiring games to have a rating.

There’s regulations requiring it only for console releases.
Dgnfly
December 5, 2015 at 2:05 pm

they mostly rich kids that live in a glass bubble and feel their views should be everybody’s views.
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 2:06 pm

but remember, the SJW are an ideology of peace, they do not want to take away our games :)
scemar
December 5, 2015 at 2:07 pm

YES
COMPILE HEART DO THIS
next nep nep should have a villain that instead of piracy, is the politically correct extremist SJW rainbow haired swine
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:08 pm

I remember gamespot had a feminist review it and complain about “disturbingly sexualized young girls” lol!
Vault Man
December 5, 2015 at 2:09 pm

The problem is though that vocal minority is amplified by the media pushing this shit. Any real change to games being released without censorship will only come after the media fucks off with their narrative pushing bullshit.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:10 pm

I would never buy a game like that, unless a used copy. You’re shooting yourself in the foot there.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 2:10 pm

The media lambastes all niche Japanese games anyway, so it makes no difference whether they censor or not.
Vault Man
December 5, 2015 at 2:11 pm

Because the media amplifies them making them seem bigger.
Kiryu
December 5, 2015 at 2:15 pm

Can’t agree more with you concerning Gematsu,Nichegamer is the best gaming site.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:16 pm

More like, they get off on ruining men’s fun, particularly cis het straight men, because they feel like they’re scoring social justice points by checking the cis het male patriarch’s privilege. In fact, one effective way to silence all the criticism of fanservice in Japanese games is probably to add massive floppy cocks to all the girls for the Western version. The SJWs then wouldn’t be able to attack these games for fear of being labeled transmisogynist.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:18 pm

Problem is, the people who do the localizations at NISA in fact **ARE** SJWs.
Kiryu
December 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm

I would welcome that.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm

NISA doesn’t handle Nep anymore, thankfully.
Derek
December 5, 2015 at 2:21 pm

Exactly, except now they are fully aware of the situation at hand and is very desperate to save face.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:23 pm

Thank goodness.
plakia
December 5, 2015 at 2:24 pm

That isn’t Marxism. You’re lumping Marx with Gramsci. Marx himself opposed identity politics and actually kicked a member out of the First International for pushing feminism. I wish you faggots would actually read some philosophy and political theory rather than pretending you know shit on the internet. Actually I would be happy if you read at all outside wikipedia and shitty /pol/ infographs. You’re just making shit worse pushing this Jewish Marxist SJW conspiracy so fucking hard when it is about as detached from Marx and Marxist theory as you can get.
patyos
December 5, 2015 at 2:27 pm

I dont really mind but on the good news Monster Mon piece coming to steam uncensored next year :D
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 2:28 pm

Hard to release a game unchanged when doing so will give they lawsuits all the things they need for a court session.

You guys do know that if anything that can be “judged” as a child is wearing skimpy clothing it´s child porn right? All thanks to US and some European laws.

So before anything uncensored can appear here in the west? laws need to be changed. Dramatically.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 2:31 pm

Wrong.
Cats736
December 5, 2015 at 2:31 pm

Pretty sure he is referring to the ‘illegal to own’ part.

AO games are not illegal to own, console makers like Sony refuse to allow them on their systems.
plakia
December 5, 2015 at 2:32 pm

SJWs subscribe to liberal ideology and support capitalism. Some of the SJW movement was born out of Maoist and Stalinist currents in the New Left, but those ideologies were hardly Marxist(actually supporting state-capitalism over socialism in practice) and it isn’t like any of those New Left faggots actually read any theory. They’re as stupid as your average /pol/ack. Of course you never read any Marx beyond perhaps the manifesto in some high school English course. It’s annoying having idiots regurgitate misinformation they read on /pol/. There is already enough lies/misinformation being spread about Marxism. Guess I should get used to it since this anti-Marxist propaganda campaign has been going on for more than a century.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:34 pm

It isn’t classical Marxism, but it is undeniably Marxism. It is the direct evolution. Are you a butthurt commie yourself or something? One of those people who insists “communism has never been tried!”
CrabCombat
December 5, 2015 at 2:34 pm

lmao are you serious

call me when employees of XSEED and Marvelous Europe get arrested because Mirai is in Senran Kagura

oh wait that’ll never happen
buddyluv324
December 5, 2015 at 2:37 pm

Another issue I have with the whole censorship mess thats been going on as of late that ive notice is that whenever a game company like IFI admits to not releasing certain games because of having to censor them, seems like none of the mainstream gaming press will touch the topic. However with games like DOAX3 is even suspected on not getting localized because of possible cultural backlash, the gaming press was quick to try to play damage control saying otherwise.
blackice85
December 5, 2015 at 2:37 pm

Agreed. I appreciate that they don’t want to censor, but not releasing it can end up hurting us worse.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 2:38 pm

Daily reminder
Derp Minos
December 5, 2015 at 2:38 pm

I’m going to buy it for sure. I might even joke gift it to non-weeb friends too.
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 2:39 pm

Is it good enough people have been arrested and sent to jail for owning manga with what appears to be young people in them? It has happend you know.

So yeah. Kinda serious with how the laws in USA and Europe is. Which makes it understandable why companies edit their games.
dathip
December 5, 2015 at 2:40 pm

Doesn’t affect me, majority of these franchises are trash anyway. lol especially neptunia. Character design is trash and redundant
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 2:40 pm

Wrong with the laws judging anything that can be judged as a kid in anything sexually related as child porn? nope.

How has the companies avoided it so far? making them older above the least allowed law in the country it is released in.

You do know certain characters when released outside of Japan mysteriously age to become 17-18 years old right?
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 2:43 pm

Wrong in that anything that’s not porn in the first place can’t be child porn anyway. C’mon man, you’ve played Ar nosurge, so you know that what you’re saying is bullshit.
George Lambert
December 5, 2015 at 2:44 pm

自殺しろこのバカ野郎アメリカ人
あ　ほ　く　さ
landlock
December 5, 2015 at 2:45 pm

You should check out Manga Gamer and see some of the things they release officially across America and Europe.

Didn’t the guy that got arrested with the Manga try and bring it through customs? dumb.
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 2:45 pm

I´ve played Ar nosurge. Loved almost every bit of it. Some parts though I am amazed at that they allowed it in. But as said, yeah, you can get into trouble if it´s shown publicly with some parts of the game.

and how wrong you are. Anything deemed as a child in a certain position, wearing anything that is a tad revealing etc etc can be judged as child porn.

Since imagitive characters have feelings that must be protected at all costs!
HarisO
December 5, 2015 at 2:46 pm

Considering that in the UK you can get convicted for possession of lolicon I don’t feel it’s much of an excuse: http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/anime-fan-convicted-over-illegal-7958896

I don’t think there is a single developer out there that wants to see their game be put in front of a court for a jury to decide if the game is breaking the law.
Ophel
December 5, 2015 at 2:47 pm

A journalist doing interesting interviews and asking important questions? Is this a dream?

Seriously great interview man.
landlock
December 5, 2015 at 2:50 pm

What a sad state of affairs.
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 2:50 pm

Been a vivid follower of Manga Gamer, Jlist and more companies that bring visual novels and more into the west. They do great work decensoring their games and allowing fans to get a hold of great games.

But alas, the characters inside those games are all deemed to be at least the age of 18, which it says on multiple occasions troughout ads and what not.

How do you think some erotic anime has gotten official releases? by putting the message “even though looks may be deceiving all characters in this movie is at least 18 years of age”.

And yes, one guy got arrested trying to bring manga trough customs. Just because of the contents of said manga. If I remember correctly there were no sex in said manga. Just that what looked to be children wearing skimpy outfits or revealing clothing…
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 2:51 pm

They allowed it in because there is no legal issue. Even worse games are sold too, like Littlewitch Romanesque and Imouto Paradise, which have actual porn of underage fictional characters. It’s really not as big of a deal as you think.
alterku
December 5, 2015 at 2:51 pm

Keep your goddamn politics out of my vidya you no good slimy wastes of flesh. Shit.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:53 pm

Moon runes!?
確かにあほくさいけど、別にアメリカ人のせいじゃないよ。極左翼派のクズどものせいなんだぞ。その人口はたぶん国の一割ほどもないだろうが、やつらの力が途轍もなく恐ろしいっす。メディアの実権を握ってるからだよ。
plakia
December 5, 2015 at 2:53 pm

It isn’t Marxism. Gramsci took some influence, but it really doesn’t follow any Marxist ideological current. It loosely follows Marx’s line of philosophical thought, but to conflate it as Marxism is idiotic. I wouldn’t have to explain this if you had read Marx or Gramsci, but of course a subhuman like you hasn’t. I don’t care about real world politics, but I do get pissed when monkeys that have never read an ounce of theory start spreading misinfo online. So I’m angry a lot as you can tell. Also, as to the “le gommunism nebr tryed!11” nonsense you /pol/acks thoughtlessly repeat, not a single communist nation ever at any point claimed to have achieved communism. Lenin considered the SU to be state-capitalist and Stalin only ever claimed socialism achieved as a propaganda move. The original definition of socialism(before decades of propaganda) refers to an economic system in which the economy is democratically planned with workplaces democratically operated by and for the workers and those have never existed in any so-called “communist” country. Communism itself is a stateless classless society that operates under a socialist gift-economy made possible due to post-scarcity production. Now you should atleast have the intelligence to realize that communism by definition has never existed. Or at least I hope. Of course you could probably pull up some US government definition that differs, but the definitions I’m giving you are the definitions Marxists used since the very beginning. You would of course know all this if you took the time to study rather than shitposting on image boards. No, you don’t need to read any Marxist trash as it really is dull, but you should try to build a basic education on a topic before lying about it on the internet.
landlock
December 5, 2015 at 2:54 pm

They may say they are 18 on the cases but they don’t look 18 characters like Primula from Shuffle and Sakura from Da Capo are well under 18 and there isn’t any amount of wording that can get around that.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 2:55 pm

They won’t allow anything to exist which is not in line with the establishment’s views. It’s an Orwellian nightmare made reality. And we have mostly social media to blame for this.
Daniel Segovia
December 5, 2015 at 2:56 pm

Ok I understand that getting an AO rated game is hard and lethal to the brand, then what about a free region game with english subs like DOAX3? I mean that’s the best solution, everyone is happy, I mean yes, you pay a little bit more for the import but then again if you are a fan or interested it’s the best solution. Besides these games don’t come with big amounts of words. On the other hand it could be a waste of money for them since less people would buy it…
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 2:56 pm

If you´ve played Littlewitch, do they make any mention of how old the characters are? Or in Imouto Paradise?

It´s one method of being sued for a pretty hefty thing so for me it is quite the big deal. That not many people have been doesn´t really change that it´s possible.
Landusk79
December 5, 2015 at 2:57 pm

it gd SJW that want to destroy every thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HInXMcOgT54
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 2:58 pm

yes I know. It still works with the laws of USA and Europe writing out that they are at least 18 years of age to work around troubles.

Then if we mix in that the actual age for marriage in Japan is 16 we get a whole new busniess. Cultural shocks and what the like.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 3:00 pm

lol gotta love that hypocrisy
gazlene tak
December 5, 2015 at 3:01 pm

You sound like a commie.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm

There are plenty of eroge visual novels brought West, for example, Romanesque or Saya no Uta, in which characters obviously don’t look 18.
MGDays
December 5, 2015 at 3:07 pm

I’m happy with the decision IFI have made.

If a game ABSOLUTELY has to be censored to be put out to a western audience then the localization team shouldn’t waste their time ruining a decent game, with inane changes just to please the dumb ass rating boards, and just move on to something they can release in it’s untouched entirety.

I cannot agree with companies tainting games with their thought-police ways, and so this is the right and proper course of action. Just don’t release it. At least not yet. Not until western society and the gaming industry this side of the world changes.

I’m willing to wait for this to happen.

I’ve panned IFI in the past over monster monpiece but I really respect them for standing up for the original development of a game. I sincerely hope more localization companies take note of this and realize how much damage they’ve done and how terrible their reputations have become.
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 3:07 pm

Yes, in Romanesque (little witch is the developer, not the title of the game), the catgirl (the princess’s servant) mentions she was a child sex slave, if I’m not mistaken. And it’s mentioned that Kaya was a young girl, dependent on her mother, only recently orphaned a couple of years before the story began. It’s pretty obvious that certain characters aren’t 18, though of course no direct age is stated.
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 3:10 pm

and said “child sex slave” is shown in the game?

Since just mentioning it in text and actually showing it are two completely different things. DmC makes it as if one character (female) was raped at least once. Noone really writes about how it shouldn´t be played or sold since it wasn´t shown.
RepeatingDigits
December 5, 2015 at 3:10 pm

This is the worst title I’ve ever seen. Where exactly does IF’s President flat-out say “we wont localize games that require censoring?”
Remember, not wanting to localize something is not the same, conceptually.
All it says is that they don’t want to censor anymore, which is completely different. It could mean they won’t give a fuck about censoring anymore and pull a Xseed.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 3:11 pm

Big difference between lolis and bare tits in GOW, at least in the eyes of rating boards.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 3:11 pm

Except not at all
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 3:12 pm

Then express yourself like an adult instead of throwing a fit and attacking people.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 3:13 pm

And why would I be banned? I’m not the one attacking people here.
Lily
December 5, 2015 at 3:15 pm

Normally, I don’t post comments on these sites (and just talk them over with my friends) but this one… This one de-lurks me.

On one hand, I actually understand this stance. There are certain things that definitely won’t be accepted in the West (lolis are a huge example) but I have a couple of problems with this article.

01) The article title feels a bit more hyperbolic than it really needs to be, especially with that quote regarding Compile Hearts which basically inferred they’ve been on that stance anyway. If it’s something they’ve been doing anyway… why put it like that and make fans believe that they’re going to stop localizing it, or other games? Not to mention, if you read the full interview, they don’t go any deeper than that and it seems that they’re proud of the Nep games and will probably keep working on it.

02) Even if they are afraid of certain games not making it in the West market… there’s Steam. Slowly but surely (with these political puritan punks trying to fight all these useless ass battles), AO games are becoming the norm and especially with the Internet being prevalent. It’s easier than ever to buy these AO games on Steam and play them (like that yuri visual novel series that just got put on recently) so… *shrug* It’s a losing battle if they were true.

TLDR: Was the hyperbolic article really necessary? And even if they stopped localizing games for GameStop, there’s fucking Steam so it’s kind of a useless stance anyway.
Blerpus
December 5, 2015 at 3:20 pm

I think it’s really stupid. They’re losing money and customers for
bending backwards for SJWs who don’t even know of Compile HEarts’
exsitance. Even if games come out which would ‘offend’ people the buzz
dies out really quickly and without a fuss – it isn’t the same content
but look at Hatred no one cared about that now because its out and
that’s that.

Game companies need to grow a backbone and release
what they want and never worry about censorship. No game by Japan
wouldn’t be allowed to be released here as there’s virturally nothing to
warrant anything higher than a M rating; the people who complain about
this sort of thing don’t even play much games let alone niche jRPGs like
CH games.
alto_angelo
December 5, 2015 at 3:20 pm

these publisher’s bread and butter is console/vita release, Steam is after thought and essentially double dipping on their franchise

kinda agree a bit about hyperbolic title. Just wish people noticed these bullshit earlier and doesnt need such title to make them realize it
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 3:22 pm

Get off your high horse
Jivebot
December 5, 2015 at 3:23 pm

I am starting to think this is just excuse for poor sales of their games when they are release in the west.
Robby Kinkade
December 5, 2015 at 3:27 pm

I don’t blame anyone. But what dumbasses are causing this shit. I live in what’s considered the West. And I say release the full Un Censored Game in the USA and other Western countries and if people don’t like it they don’t have to buy it. It’s not like anyone is holding a gun to anyone’s head over a game.
kerbastrar2
December 5, 2015 at 3:31 pm

I really can’t see anything bad about these statements

1) All they’re saying is that they rather not release games that would require to be censored by big ratings boards like PEGI or the ESRB. Alot of people have been vocal to IFI about unnecessary censorship, and they’re taking it to heart

2) The fanservice games that compile heart put out usually also involve lolis. Say what you want about ESRB/PEGI rating guidelines, but I do believe that games like moe chronicle and moe crystal would be rated AO unedited. IFI’s unwillingness to localize these games might also be convincing Compile Heart Asia to do their own releases with English text

When they refuse to release a fanservice game that has nothing but big-breasted adult women, then I would raise the warning flags. Until then, being extremely cautious about lolicon content is very warranted

3) It sounds like they actually want to fight the status-quo, like what Xseed is doing. If they want to become more vocal, then more power to them. As long as it doesn’t appear that they’re rolling over and kneeling, I can’t help but support them

I hate sjws like everyone else, but this sounds more like a reaction to the anti-censorship consumer crowd that plagued their first release, than outside sjws
anon9370
December 5, 2015 at 3:36 pm

Mentioned, because it is part of her background story about why she feels indebted to the princess because the princess rescued her. But then, she still looks like a loli when you do the deed, but of course, it doesn’t explicitly say how much time passed from that event, and when she came to the tower with the princess…
mrwizeass
December 5, 2015 at 3:37 pm

So long as they consider putting in English subtitles, it’s all good.
sanic
December 5, 2015 at 3:38 pm

Wow I never thought of idea factory as busters but sure seems like they are.
Demetrius Coleman
December 5, 2015 at 3:39 pm

I have mixed feelings about this. I mean, I’m glad they hate censorship, but I also hate they aren’t localizing anymore. I guess we won’t be seeing anymore Steam games from them.

Also, if they did censor their HDN series I haven’t noticed it at all. I only know Mugen Souls is censored on Steam when I checked the forums.
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 3:39 pm

ok. Let me go on a whim and say that if the deed itself was watchable and it would have shown her backstory? I don´t think it would have gotten a release outside of Japan.

Thanks for the info. Been wanting to try it out but alas. I haven´t had the time to sink into a visual novel since I´ve lost interest a bit for the genre :(

Hoping Seinarukana (when it releases hopefully soon) will bring back my interest in the genre.
Tim Hobson
December 5, 2015 at 3:43 pm

i have to agree with the IDEA president here
the west needs to take a chill pill over this issue and yea i live in the USA i dont buy what country man thinks its just a game like a movies and books and music
Ruggarell
December 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm

Never understood how America became afraid of sexy things in Video games.
Tim Hobson
December 5, 2015 at 3:52 pm

thats what i want to know
FalseTragedian
December 5, 2015 at 3:53 pm

You’re thinking of Canada, nor the US.
perfectchaos83
December 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm

That’s something that seems to already be happening in the Compile Heart line of games. At least for Moe Chronicles. Much more ideal than a censored western release, but still not really ideal.
Tim Hobson
December 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm

all i know AO is til ESRB rating if you look at the chart its til a thing
RollerCrisis
December 5, 2015 at 4:00 pm

Hopefully this will get Japanese devs to find more alternatives to get their games into the west instead of using localization companies to fuck up their work.
Daniel Segovia
December 5, 2015 at 4:02 pm

releasing the game in japanese and later on release an english patch worldwide made by the international brand or a small localisation team?
Lily
December 5, 2015 at 4:03 pm

Still, Steam is becoming a profitable after thought for these companies. It may be an alternative but as long as $$$ keeps coming, we’ll probably start getting Western games exclusively for Steam.
xxHAREMxKINGxx
December 5, 2015 at 4:04 pm

Haru Akenaga well said. i couldn’t agree more. stay true to the original purpose. if anyone doesn’t like it or has some type of problem then too damn bad!!! they should go and find something else to do or create their own product instead of trying to force their own selfish ideals on others.
perfectchaos83
December 5, 2015 at 4:04 pm

The Moe Chronicles series has so far been translated to English in the Asia versions. The 1st one sometime last year and the Sequel will also be getting that treatment. As stated, it’s far from ideal, but for now it works as the environment here changes.
Steven T.
December 5, 2015 at 4:05 pm

Since we’re talking AO games here, I guess I’ll take this chance to shill an old article of mine (again I believe) from January detailing an idea I had about how console manufacturers can and should handle AO-rated games since they’re so reluctant.

Note: you can probably wipe my Steam idea since uncensor patches exist (I was still very new to Steam earlier this year). It more or less doesn’t apply much now.

http://thewiredfishnetwork.com/2015/01/18/ao-rated-games-an-idea-on-how-they-could-be-sold-on-consoles/
Tim Hobson
December 5, 2015 at 4:05 pm

cant agree with you more
Vfanatic
December 5, 2015 at 4:05 pm

The problem is, this is Idea Factory saying this. The amount of people who care is not that high at all. If this was someone like Capcom, or Bandai Namco or Square saying this, that would mean something.
Immahnoob
December 5, 2015 at 4:05 pm

It’s actually in a grey area in those states, it all depends on some people’s whims.
Tim Hobson
December 5, 2015 at 4:06 pm

yea
Henrik Blomgren
December 5, 2015 at 4:15 pm

Nope. US and Sweden to be more exact. Since there we have cases. Australia as well.
Hell Ray
December 5, 2015 at 4:24 pm

Still, I hope this spreads and changes something.
Hell Ray
December 5, 2015 at 4:24 pm

‘Muh Christian Values!’ and ‘Muh chillins!’ was a huge factor.
Daniel Segovia
December 5, 2015 at 4:25 pm

why is it far from ideal? I mean getting the original content with patches that enables you to play the original content seems the best choice. that or maybe starting selling AO games through online stores like English eroge publishers.
perfectchaos83
December 5, 2015 at 4:26 pm

Can’t get DLC and it’s expensive.
MFlorian
December 5, 2015 at 4:58 pm

Someone needs to get these guys together and explain to them that the people who censor games don’t buy them. Putting them out anyway will only involve an increase in sales from people looking to spite the Neo-Puritans.
Nagato
December 5, 2015 at 5:05 pm

Between this and the recent news that Monster Monpiece will be uncensored on PC, it’s pretty clear that IF knows perfectly well who their audience is and what they appreciate, as well as being aware that censoring never quite leads to an uptick in sales.

In return, this will make ensure their fanbase becomes even more dedicated to supporting them, and might even lead to other companies doing the same.

Well played, IF.
H. Guderian
December 5, 2015 at 5:09 pm

And people kept saying that Koei-Tecmo’s official position made it clear it wasn’t about censorship. Delicious. We were right, it was.
awvnx
December 5, 2015 at 5:12 pm

Sony hasn’t allowed any AO games on their platform at all, digital or physical. How is this a solution? The only way this would work is if they port their games to PC for localization and only release there. However, this isn’t viable for a lot of games.
CrabCombat
December 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm

I think you missed my point.

They say the reaction and attitude to things like DOAX3 has stopped them bringing games to the West. It shouldn’t.

I really doubt they even have anything that would get an AO rating, I’m just saying that’s the only thing that should stop them from bringing a game over.
PadThai2
December 5, 2015 at 5:22 pm

Should just be honest and say the games won’t make enough money here to justify localization instead of blaming hypothetical critics.
Lars Anderson
December 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm

Then don’t censor and sell it here anyway. There’s still a market for it you dummies, don’t be bullied by the SJWs.
No_Good_Names_Ever
December 5, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Only thing we need is a big name holding back a franchise franchise popular with the casual audience. Maybe that will be enough to get people fighting.
Daniel Segovia
December 5, 2015 at 5:38 pm

the game cost around 40 bucks and DLC shouldn’t be a problem if you create a chinese ps-id, isn’t it?
YuriFan
December 5, 2015 at 5:44 pm

Here’s an idea. Don’t censor the games.
Para-Medic
December 5, 2015 at 5:45 pm

I feel like this is good and bad. Sometimes having a censored game is better than not having one at all? Like Nintendo for example, NOA does a lot of stupid shit but at the same time I’m not sure I’d even have a 3DS if not for Fire Emblem. (Censored or not, it’s a really fun game.)

Or like Drakengard in the PS2 days, it was censored quite a bit compared to the Japanese release but the story still made perfect sense and the incest subplot was still easy enough to imply. If it never came out because of censorship, I’d never have known the glory of Yoko Taro lol.

Bah! IFFY just come to PC. You can ignore the ESRB altogether, and PC games in general receive a lot less criticism than on console. After all, PC is home to some pretty whack stuff like that uhm, Euphoria VN. xD
Derek
December 5, 2015 at 5:45 pm

Well it did set the mood for the localization scene. It just took 4 years for the devs to realize how wrong they are to damage Japan’s rep.
YuriFan
December 5, 2015 at 5:46 pm

The problem is their games don’t need censorship. It’s just stupid feminizis taking control of everything.

The only people who buy their games are fans of Idea Factory so who cares what others think.
Ruggarell
December 5, 2015 at 5:48 pm

I would rather the game not come at all.
Kiryu
December 5, 2015 at 5:55 pm

More like if he can’t take the heat he can fuck off to gematsu,the mods are very censorhappy there.
Stilzkin
December 5, 2015 at 5:55 pm

Where in Europe did that ever happen?
Daryl Corey
December 5, 2015 at 5:56 pm

I think to some degree that may be more of what they are concerned with than the complaining it is alot easier to hit AO in the west than in Japan.
Michel Charite
December 5, 2015 at 5:57 pm

Can’t they just localize and then offer on steam and play-asia only? EZ sales imo.
Thanatos2k
December 5, 2015 at 5:58 pm

Compile Heart needs to start making good games that aren’t filled with 12 year old girls.
Thanatos2k
December 5, 2015 at 5:59 pm

By the way, you people drove them to this. The cries of “uncensored or no buy!” got them to just give up entirely on bringing games. Now you get nothing. Nice work.
Daryl Corey
December 5, 2015 at 5:59 pm

It is easier to end up in AO in the West than the equivalent in Japan. The ratings board here is more sensitive on the sex stuff than in Japan so something that would get a normal release there could hit AO territory here barring it from release on a Sony system here.
Chocolate ISISCream
December 5, 2015 at 6:03 pm

STOP BOWING DOWN TO SJW COCK FOR FUCKS SAKE
Para-Medic
December 5, 2015 at 6:04 pm

Nice b8 m8?

That’s not what the article says at all…
Super Attack-Mode Jesus
December 5, 2015 at 6:07 pm

I can’t wait until this SJW fad is over.
Super Attack-Mode Jesus
December 5, 2015 at 6:08 pm

Really? Is that what they need to do? Maybe you should go work for them.
Para-Medic
December 5, 2015 at 6:09 pm

Sadly, I don’t think it’s a fad. :( If it is, it’s getting worse, not better.

I’d like to say that “money talks” but companies like Tecmo Keoi won’t even give that chance. They’re afraid of the outrage before it even happens. >_<
Lars Anderson
December 5, 2015 at 6:11 pm

I bet you’re a blast at parties.
Super Attack-Mode Jesus
December 5, 2015 at 6:12 pm

I’m going to order DOA Xtreme and I don’t even have a Playstation.
Cy
December 5, 2015 at 6:14 pm

But social justice is totally not about censorship tho!

Ugh, this just makes me sad. And I don’t even like Compile Heart’s games, they’re totally not relevant to my interests, but the fact that the west is so toxic to anything that pushes the envelope (you know, that thing that art is supposed to do) that they aren’t even going to bother localizing games because they’d need to be censored so drastically is disgusting. Censorship is evil and social justice needs to be taken out back and shot.
Para-Medic
December 5, 2015 at 6:14 pm

I’ll be buying it too, but that doesn’t help the censorship issue in America. If anything, that might just send KT the message that they can do this more often.

… forcing people like us to import, I mean, is that the future we want? It’s better than nothing but… fuck. >_>
kerbastrar2
December 5, 2015 at 6:17 pm

and I still prefer no western release at all. The rise of Asian releases is showing that if there is a market for English translations, then they will do it
Alistair
December 5, 2015 at 6:25 pm

That really sad to see that IFI have given up the ghost it also signals that SJWs have won.

You fucking won’t see them crying if IFI don’t localise echhi games.

What will happen if XSEEDS does the same when that day comes I quite gaming belive me a few times I feel like giving up the hobby I love,

Because a select minority starting to piss me off.

IFI you’re the 2nd DEV to bow down under pressure from fucking SJWs.
ApexPredator_
December 5, 2015 at 6:27 pm

Funny how the West moans about sexualized games yet they fuck whores and faggots like hamsters everyday.
Lezard Valeth
December 5, 2015 at 6:29 pm

I agree to Haru Akenaga. sure it’s sad but it’s also good.

If the West crying about it, don’t even bother with them anymore. Believe in your fans. They will import your games.

i’m sick of censorship and butchered localizations and this SJW nonsense, i want the original product in my hand as the creators wanted us to see and experience.it
Suraimu
December 5, 2015 at 6:32 pm

Good for them. I applaud this decision.
Super Attack-Mode Jesus
December 5, 2015 at 6:33 pm

Shooting people in the head with high-powered rifles is fine as long as we don’t see any boobies.
Super Attack-Mode Jesus
December 5, 2015 at 6:35 pm

How does it feel to be so damn edgy?
thelaughingwiseman
December 5, 2015 at 6:38 pm

This needs to happen. Until the West stops being dicks about their ratings and people stop complaining about the stuff in video games, we are going to continue seeing developers from Japan and other countries stop localizing games. I hate it but it’s necessary. Developers need a way to fight against this type of unfair treatment they get.
I hope this trend grows too. Developers need to fight for their products and this is a great first step. Protect their content and make sure other areas have the freedom to show the content they worked so hard on to sell to their fans.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 6:39 pm

I don’t understand how me trying to encourage civil discussion is in any way me trying to be above other people.
Ichigo Musuko
December 5, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Speaking as a Let’s Player, I cover certain games that need more spotlight than others. Now I can attest to this because I do Visual Novels on my channel sometimes and while are most risque than others, I’m in support of this. I mean, really…we’ve lost many good titles because we’ve just allowed these SJW idiots dictate what’s good for us. I’ve said time and again, “don’t like it, don’t watch it.” We have the ESRB for that reason. To me what I do on my channel is more about gamer awareness and less about the numbers game. Since Steam is an always available port for PC games, it’s mainly my go-to spot for playing games I wouldn’t have access to. As fans, we support companies that support us and even now with social media outlets we use, it’s even more to support them now more than ever.
Badmojo7
December 5, 2015 at 7:03 pm

The best thing to do is to ignore the SJW’s and put it on PC/steam/other where you do not need to worry about censorship.
Wonderkarp
December 5, 2015 at 7:03 pm

You know, I’d be happy with their decision if they just include english menu options and subs like DOAX. If they do that, then I can still import and play them on my PS4.
Badmojo7
December 5, 2015 at 7:06 pm

Here is a thought, just do not do interviews with gaming media, they do NOT represent gamers. To see the true fans, just do a kickstarter for the uncensored games. Zero risk, lots of rewards.
devilmaycare34
December 5, 2015 at 7:07 pm

I wish they’d do that. Work on the english subs and watch the imports roll in, as well as marketing your game as a way to learn english along side the speaking being in japanese so it could work both ways.
Token
December 5, 2015 at 7:11 pm

I’d rather them have the game translated and sell it through places like Play-Asia. That would be a good solution.
Leonardo Cornejo Bernal
December 5, 2015 at 7:21 pm

We should fight back against censorship. This is starting to have a negative effect in us.
Antoinant
December 5, 2015 at 7:39 pm

I don’t feel like having a “civil discussion” with a mentally challenged retard.
Narmy
December 5, 2015 at 7:42 pm

“The ratings board here is more sensitive on the sex stuff than in Japan”

Objectively untrue. I guess you aren’t aware that games that show actual nudity in the west are censored in Japan.
Yan Zhao
December 5, 2015 at 7:48 pm

How do I feel about this? I feel that the west needs to grow the fuck up and trying to make issues out of nothing, then censorship wouldnt be needed in the first place.
Tyrone Jackson
December 5, 2015 at 8:05 pm

It’s way passed “starting” at this point. The West has missed out on a whole lot by now.
Tyrone Jackson
December 5, 2015 at 8:06 pm

But I don’t want to spend $80 on games.
Tyrone Jackson
December 5, 2015 at 8:08 pm

So which reddit board are you from xD xD
BurgerUnit
December 5, 2015 at 8:12 pm

One thing everybody can do if they don’t like censorship, is buy Monster Monpiece on Steam when it hits.

I actually don’t have any interest in playing it and it’ll likely join the 100+ other games I never played in my steam library, but I’m happy to support a censorship free release…
alto_angelo
December 5, 2015 at 8:13 pm

thats what i thought too. if they cant localize certain games because it wont fly on consoles, why not bring it to PC? easy money
Ubrokemygrill?
December 5, 2015 at 8:28 pm

I think anyone celebrating changing content in games because it DOESN’T match their principles is not only short sighted fool, but needs to kill themselves asap. Do you even listen to yourself? Do you not even understand the irony in what you just said? I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics you have trained for to spew the hypocritical tripe you shart out of your mouth on these censorship arguments.
Tubsiwub
December 5, 2015 at 8:32 pm

Good, now whenever we get one it’ll be released at a normal time for a new game in a series to be released instead of like, 4 per year.
heero01
December 5, 2015 at 8:33 pm

DLC will catch up in the end though .
Thanatos2k
December 5, 2015 at 8:34 pm

How could anyone prefer no western release? I get we’re doubling down on dumb stuff.

Asian release English translations are comical in how awful they are.
Ubrokemygrill?
December 5, 2015 at 8:34 pm

I’ve said this to you in a seperate article. Buy games that are uncensored and the other companies will either pull out or follow suit. Either way, purchasing games from good localizers will only end in a good thing. The free market is more powerful than any SJW’s hurt feelings ever can be.
Thanatos2k
December 5, 2015 at 8:35 pm

Because I think Compile Heart makes garbage games, which they do?
Thanatos2k
December 5, 2015 at 8:35 pm

Are you saying this isn’t a business decision?
heero01
December 5, 2015 at 8:36 pm

This gen it is since all the systems are just computers so not much of a reach to release everything on a computer .
Para-Medic
December 5, 2015 at 8:40 pm

No I’m saying you’re a fucking idiot trying to imply or incite shit over things the article doesn’t even say.

You do know what community you’re on right now, yes? This ain’t that Gematsu hugbox shit.

IFFY is still bringing over a ton of stuff, did you see all their announcements the other day? Including uncensored Monpiece?
TWE
December 5, 2015 at 8:48 pm

Hence the catch 22.
jdgalt
December 5, 2015 at 8:49 pm

Exactly. If the company tries to prevent Americans from getting the game at all, someone will bring in infringing copies and the company won’t get paid. And it will serve them right.
epobirs
December 5, 2015 at 8:56 pm

This is really frustrating. These have little to no presence in the kind of outlets that won’t carry M or AO titles. While some of these things are just stupidly pervy, others deal with serious matters that cannot be handled well without getting attention from the hand wringers, blue noses, and other self-appointed authorities.

Perhaps Sony and Microsoft should offer curated sections on their sites that respond to the parental controls and stop penalizing adults for their interests.
Darkness Dragon
December 5, 2015 at 9:03 pm

Looks like importing games from Asia will become a thing for me.
Ubrokemygrill?
December 5, 2015 at 9:29 pm

Play-Asia was pandering but they did have the right idea. They know what people want. A product that isn’t butchered and no bullshit forced in. Now if only Nintendo would drop region locking then we can kiss their shitty western localizations goodbye.
ViscousVenom
December 5, 2015 at 9:31 pm

I’ve always had issue with our “western” views. By 15 we’ve played games and watched movies (whether the rating makes a difference or not) that have depicted several gory and gruesome ways to kill or be killed yet HEAVEN FORBID we see a NIPPLE!!! While I understand the rating system being in place for concerned parents the powers that be stepping in to tell us ADULTS what we can and cannot see/play is absurd. Its an art form and needs to be displayed in such a fashion. Let us decide what’s good for us! Thank you so much for deciding to side with the artists and the gamers alike that want our games as they are intended. I for one plan on buying any and all of the titles that are planned for release under these new guidelines. :D
Ubrokemygrill?
December 5, 2015 at 9:41 pm

It’s the hypocrisy that anything sexual is a slippery slope, but nothing pertaining to violence is. Meanwhile the media is plastered with minors barely wearing clothes and that’s A-okay. It’s a bunch of moral policing bullshit.
James Hewitson
December 5, 2015 at 9:42 pm

The backwards brain washing rubbish that is religion has played a big part ?
stalemate666
December 5, 2015 at 9:48 pm

This bullshit needs to stop. Journalists need to lose their jobs, Anita needs to go to jail for fraud and SJWs in general need to mocked like it’s Halloween every day.
bf313
December 5, 2015 at 9:56 pm

“Mentally challenged retard”, like honestly are you 12 or what? You’re only proving my point, you make this website’s user based look bad. Like this is the kind of comment i’d expect to see on IGN or something. Just pointless unconstructive stupidity.
stalemate666
December 5, 2015 at 10:06 pm

Commies are better than SJWs atleast.
stalemate666
December 5, 2015 at 10:07 pm

Because they are the ones who control video game media and they are writing articles slamming their games and there’s enough of a cultural gap from them not to know it’s all bullshit and doesn’t reflect gamers or sales.
stalemate666
December 5, 2015 at 10:11 pm

So what do you call the people who freaked out at shirtgate
Ricky Laboy
December 5, 2015 at 10:18 pm

What crabcombat says is the best way, becuase honestly censorship is just a bitchy way to avoid kids from playing the “Rated M games”. Just take the fans support and you’ll be fine cause always censoring something that is good and fine in japan just seems like a bore to other people (or most fans) thats another reason why western players would rather enjoy japanese games cause in japan they dont censor anything, but because in the western side they want them censord they could think its bad for “buissness” but to me its no difference cause it shows and stays original and how it should be so its more enjoyable that way. Plus if you think about all the games they have in japan, %98 arent censored because they all stay original to their content and how they are. Which is why western players would buy both version to play. One to understand and the other to enjoy the original art and concept of the game.
BurgerUnit
December 5, 2015 at 10:43 pm

The games are lacking I agree but some people, myself included, can still enjoy them for what they’re worth. Turn based RPGs are a dying breed…

Coming in here bitching isn’t going to make Suikoden VI materialize.
XERW
December 5, 2015 at 10:47 pm

Yep. Hire a translation company to work on the story and UI. BAM! Money.

Too bad this will only work on PS. 3DS hates imports.
259
December 5, 2015 at 11:06 pm

Try playing Moero Chronicle and maybe you’ll change your mind. Not every localization is like SAO Hollow Fragment, and that was even released in NA.
stalemate666
December 5, 2015 at 11:13 pm

Really the worst, the worst, of all the horrible click bait, inaccurate titles on the internet this is the worst one you have personally saw…
Unknown
December 5, 2015 at 11:40 pm

Western People are stupid. MOre Release for Asia pls!!
Hunter Kern
December 6, 2015 at 12:09 am

censorship + 18 patch. Easy. Only problem I have is that often they sell the censored version for cheaper (NekoPara Vol. 1 is one case). That is then stealing.

I ended up buying the full version… not cheap for the item when you take shipping into account.
Shaun Rauter
December 6, 2015 at 12:28 am

So long as this doesn’t affect the localization of Megadimension Neptunia VII (so far it’s still coming just delayed until 2/2/2016 according to GameStop, I’ve pre-ordered it on GameStops website) I don’t really care about this.
Anthony Caudill
December 6, 2015 at 1:03 am

I personally don’t care for their blatant targeting of pedophiles in their games. The Neptunia anime was ruined by loli-centrism. Give us plot and surprises… leave the bath scenes at home please (unless you have the COURAGE to put them in the action a la Go Nagai).
Nope Naw
December 6, 2015 at 1:05 am

Good to see more studios and companies stand up against censorship. I’m tired of seeing titles I’m interested in get censored, aka butchered, and manhandled just to appease some people on a ratings board in the west who aren’t interested in the games even in their butchered form.

Screw us gamers who just wants to experience the games the way the devs intended it, right? Fuck us!
Yuki Tachibana
December 6, 2015 at 1:42 am

eh, japan censors nipples and pussy, thats it, and its not just for games, they censor that for everything, even their porn, frankly, i think hes referring to a different type of censorship.

the difference between a nude girls boobs being covered by fog so you cant see

and the girl being photoshopped to wear a swimsuit or the entire scene itself completely removed altogether
Lily
December 6, 2015 at 2:03 am

They’re already doing it for the visual novels (Higurashi, Clannad, to name drop some more well-known ones) so hopefully they’ll be inspired to do more regardless.
dsadsada
December 6, 2015 at 2:17 am

I’m also not entirely sure what to think. I mean it’s great that I don’t have to worry about them censoring their games in the future and that they’re against censorship as well, but I feel like this is simply side stepping the issue instead of facing it directly. The issue here being the vocal minority and the media that megaphones them.
Go D. Usopp
December 6, 2015 at 2:20 am

Disagreeing, saying to kill yourself and being a dick isnt even a real argument. Make one or shut up you idiot. Im not even going to consider paying attention if you have nothing but ad hominem to spout, honestly how do kids like you even develop into such self righteous pricks (and yes im doing the same but ive actually made my points so even if im a dick I contributed something)
Ubrokemygrill?
December 6, 2015 at 2:27 am

Liking cute girls doing cute things doesn’t equate to pedophilia. Personally I’m disgusted by the amount of violence that gets a free pass but America is full of hypocrites so it’s no surprise.
Josh Thomson
December 6, 2015 at 2:33 am

i for one would always buy a decent game, and hyperdimension neptunia games are, heck if the next one was on ps4 only i would of went out my way to buy a ps4 even tho i dont own one, i hate being in the uk for stuff like this, as alot of the great rpg games are in japan or asia or such
Derek
December 6, 2015 at 2:42 am

Don’t hide your creepiness. And Americans have more nudity than Japan ever have. We are just well more aware of how to deliver it properly.
dsadsada
December 6, 2015 at 2:43 am

They should make their next Neptunia game center around political correctness neutering creativity in the industry. In the end, it turns out that only a small group of nobodies are making it look like an industry wide thing when the people who actually buy games and keep the industry alive don’t care for their ideology.
Derek
December 6, 2015 at 2:45 am

They are the ones who got us into the mess in the first place.
Derek
December 6, 2015 at 2:46 am

Dude, they were the first targets by professional reviewers who had SJW leaning. Have you been under a rock?
Ubrokemygrill?
December 6, 2015 at 2:52 am

-We are just well more aware of how to deliver it properly.
In the form of child beauty pageants and plastering television with minors in skimpy clothing. Don’t be a fool and compare drawn cartoons to real life children. One has actual victims. I would burn a child molester at the stake if it were legal. I don’t even like loli, I just defend freedom of expression. All expression, even shit I don’t like. If sexualizing real minors in the USA is okay, then sexualizing fictional ones shouldn’t even be questioned.
Ubrokemygrill?
December 6, 2015 at 2:54 am

You literally contradicted yourself in your own argument, just like you did countless times the other day. Think about what you’re typing before you type it.
BurgerUnit
December 6, 2015 at 2:59 am

I agree I am getting tired of the obligatory bath scene in anime these days; I haven’t seen the Neptunia one so I can’t comment.

But can you provide examples of ‘pandering to pedos’ from the games? The mere presence of characters who could be perceived to be a young age isn’t enough; and pretty much any case of fan-service I can recall was done more for comedic effect more than anything else.

If you don’t have anything, I would wish you wouldn’t try to tie fans of a franchise to such a harmful and derogatory word so carelessly.
Chris クリス Sedrick
December 6, 2015 at 3:18 am

This sucks so much. I just got myself sucked into the Neptunia fandom and a few days after, I see this. This just saddens me. I hope the Neptumia games won’t stop coming, I love this series man. *sigh*
landlock
December 6, 2015 at 3:32 am

None of there games legally needed to be censored though hence the uncensored version of Monster Monpiece on the PC.

If Onechanbara can have a loli running around with just a banana and strawberry covering her. I don’t think they have much to worry about.

It’s a good job Nintendo doesn’t have the same policy.
Para-Medic
December 6, 2015 at 4:22 am

I uh really hate to inform you, but NOA and NOE have been censoring things for a long time now.

Like have you been paying attention? Fire Emblem? Xenoblade Chronicles X? Fatal Frame? Those are just the recent ones too.
landlock
December 6, 2015 at 4:35 am

(i.e.) not releasing games they consider need censoring, rather then releasing a censored game. >.>
My1
December 6, 2015 at 4:42 am

but why does an 18+ rating keep it from consoles? when I search the PSN store here in germany for 18+ ratings I see more than enough
Antoinant
December 6, 2015 at 4:49 am

“like honestly are you 12 or what?”
That’s my line for you. Are you this dense?
Joshua Cuyos
December 6, 2015 at 5:37 am

So much for freedom, eh Murica?

Yup, because scantily-clad women are a much bigger threat than real people who deliberately harm other people….. :v

Well, still want to make Murica your role model, Failipinos? :v
Kao
December 6, 2015 at 5:50 am

still remember when Australia banned gtaV for being a “woman killing simulator” lol.
RudeOnion
December 6, 2015 at 6:37 am

Oh boo friggin’ hoo. They could release those games if they wanted to, especially on Steam, but they chose not to because A) it’s a niche market anyway, and B) they’re enjoying the same attention Tecmo is getting via DoA Xtreme 3.

No, “evil SJWs” aren’t keeping these games from you. Women who game are not a regulatory body, nor are we a hive mind. No one actually said, “Hey guys, you can’t release this game here.” So what if there’s a bit of controversy about it – there’s been controversy about various games since gaming first began. If a game like Hatred – one of the most vile, disgusting and completely unnecessary games of our time – can exist, surely they can find a way to release whatever soft-core Japanese porn game they think the West absolutely MUST have.
LaTaleFan1985
December 6, 2015 at 6:37 am

Die, feminazis and SJWs, die! >:O
RudeOnion
December 6, 2015 at 6:40 am

LOL. Lawsuits… Tell me, what developer in the West has been sued because of too much sexy material in their games? I’m dying to know.
King of Bros
December 6, 2015 at 7:01 am

Who said anything about women?

Why do feminists and SJWs hide behind ”STOP HATING WOMEN WOMEN AREN’T EVIL”.

Yes. We fucking know. No one is blaming women.

We’re blaming an ideology.We’re blaming puritanism.
Some Person
December 6, 2015 at 7:21 am

I loved the Agarest War series. I found the generation crossing rpg to be fun as hell, the romance options entertaining, and yes, I liked the fanservice as well. I wasn’t surprised that content had been stripped form the game, but when I found out just how much I was quite pissed.

I’m saddened by Compile Heart’s position, but I’m actually more angry at localizers who choose to make drastic changes, exploit the language barrier they exist to cross to not inform the original devs what they doing, then claim they were given carte blanche to do so when called out for it.
Quite frankly, it’s insulting to have some guy editing things out games because he’s worried some people would object. I’m an adult, I can make decisions for myself on what I consume, and I WON’T be made to feel ashamed for what I like.

TBH, I’m largely disappointed by western games. It feels like western studios are trying to reach the lowest common denominator with everything they produce, which leaves a certain blandness in most titles. Conversely, Eastern devs are quite happy to cater to niche markets, doing their utmost to bring something to a smaller group of consumers who will happily buy the things they like.

I’m not a marketing guy, I don’t know if that would or even could work in the west, but I hold out hope that more games will simply be translated into other languages and sold online. My preference for unadulterated content is such that I would even pay for the markup caused by import taxes on hard copies, if I couldn’t just DL the game.
Sentsuizan_93
December 6, 2015 at 7:45 am

I’m divided.
One side makes me think: “Good on IFI for saying they wont bother with games requiring certain changes”
But at the same time, this kind of nullifies any chance of Moero Chronicle/Moero Crystal had of coming over without changes being made to meet certain ratings through ESRB/PEGI.
Don’t think future Neptunia games will be affected by this, but games like Moero Chronicle/Crystal certainly will, unless they can get away with a sneaky uncensored Steam release, like Monster Monpiece.
It’s a damn shame that this is what things have come to.
CSStrowbridge
December 6, 2015 at 8:17 am

“The only thing that can stop you from putting a game out (on consoles) is an AO rating from the ESRB.”

And the stuff they are talking about will get them an AO rating. You can’t have artwork of sexualized characters that look underage. Fuck the AO rating, that could send them to jail.
IAmTheTree
December 6, 2015 at 8:23 am

Whew, I can smell the euphoria wafting off that fedora of yours.

Unfortunately, the moralizing and sex negativity that’s been affecting America of late hasn’t been coming from religion, but from so-called progressives who hate religion just as much as you.
IAmTheTree
December 6, 2015 at 8:25 am

Agreed. It’s the return of the 4kids nonsense on an even wider scale than before, and this time they’re not using “kids as the target demographic” as an excuse.
EroBotan
December 6, 2015 at 8:30 am

That’s because those with risky stuff are already censored so no SJW law is breached
EroBotan
December 6, 2015 at 8:32 am

thanks for the info, i didn’t know that gematsu is also infested with SJWs. Will unfollow
CrownedKing623
December 6, 2015 at 8:53 am

If international does the if games already? So they have their own company. Not a third party.
Henrik Blomgren
December 6, 2015 at 8:57 am

So far? no company that I know off. Mainly because of changes and alterations.

But I suggest you search for “Rapelay” and see what has happend regarding selling games and what not…
Alistair
December 6, 2015 at 9:23 am

I put a disclaimer in just in case people think you not talking about video games.

We don’t want to trigger sentiment SJWs.

Extreme violence in games is the norm, sexuality is the devil.
Alistair
December 6, 2015 at 9:25 am

There another saying give them enough rope to hang themseves each time they cry out 1 day they will blunder & people see them for what they are.
Alistair
December 6, 2015 at 9:30 am

IFI president is a SJW he even was part of NISA & he make no bones about his feeling towards sexual images is known.
Go D. Usopp
December 6, 2015 at 9:32 am

I didn’t contradict myself, I contradicted your VERY poor understanding of my point because you (and many others) always misinterpret or misrepresent my points and then proceed to tell me that your lack of comprehension makes me a faggot who should kill himself (which I find hysterical, by the way, don’t think I actually take it seriously)

Like, that other guy who thought me saying I don’t care what you people say meant “I don’t care about censorship”. When I corrected him was that one of my infamous contradictions, or was he being an idiot? I think you know the answer

Don’t reply to me and this illusion of my contradictions won’t appear. Do you really have to behave like the average Kotaku user and try to shout any dissenters off the site you like?

I mean that goes for a lot more people around here than just you sure, I just thought we were above that kind of behaviour yknow. I didn’t intend to just trade one type of echo chamber gaming site for another when all that journalism shit was going down, but alas, it seems like all that differs here is what the prevailing groupthink is
♎Adamas?
December 6, 2015 at 9:52 am

Don’t know about Germany, but the in the U.S. you can have games where you can draw and quarter a character and crush his head in a vise and no one raises an eyebrow but we’ve only fairly recently seen games released that has scenes showing naked buttocks or female breasts (Probably with internal censors hemming and hawing if not screaming the whole time).
Ubrokemygrill?
December 6, 2015 at 10:15 am

I’m not trying to get you to leave, I’m trying to get you to see your own hypocrisy which you constantly ignore.
TsukuyomiMagi99
December 6, 2015 at 10:33 am

I hope that day comes very soon.
Immahnoob
December 6, 2015 at 10:42 am

And what happened to RapeLay? I can’t remember anything legally worthwhile…
Henrik Blomgren
December 6, 2015 at 10:45 am

you mean except it being banned and unsellable and it starting the whole “anime/manga is child porn” discussions and what not? Nothing that I know off.
Immahnoob
December 6, 2015 at 10:53 am

Sure, it got banned in Australia and Argentina. Other AO games are also banned in Australia, so what? I find that “legally not-worthwhile”.

It’s also not “unsellable”, or at least it was then when there wasn’t that much of a digital market. Now it doesn’t really matter if Amazon is being a little bitch. There are a ton of other sites and places you can find it.

And anything, for that matter.

Besides that, I hope that you do know that that discussion happening isn’t even an issue. People tend to start that discussion not to discuss, but to further apply their idea, they go in that discussion with preconceived ideas, so they wouldn’t change their minds anyway, not like it matters.

it’s not like you wouldn’t know that.

Sure, RapeLay gave them a platform. Certainly, most people think lolicon (after all, Rapelay had that) is actually child porn.

But you’re talking as if that changed much, the same people would think the same thing, the same people would continue being the same dickwads, and the same people would hunt or force platforms of their own.

All that matters is that everyone else also has the same platform. And that these type of games still have a market.

And that this type of art, still has a market.

Your main gripe with all of this are the legal matters. The issue is these type of arrests rarely happen, even piracy gets arrested more. Most of the US is in a gray area with this type of material. Most of Europe is also either legally allowing it or in a gray area.

If that remains the same or, you know, things do get better, that’s great. For now you’re arguing a really moot point though. No companies will get sued over this.
Dr.Weird
December 6, 2015 at 11:01 am

The solution in the west to this sort of problem, and I’m not saying this is the only problem but the problem of the left in general and their fifth column cultural saboteur bent, is to expel them by any means necessary from society.
Tiger Drive
December 6, 2015 at 11:12 am

TBH, if the game is japanese, I think that us in the west should respect that their views on this kind of thing are different to over here. Quite honestly, developers shouldn’t be expected to sensor this kind of thing just because the views on sensorship are different, and really I completely agree with the company’s decision because it is important to retain integrity and respect the original artist’s vision.

I wish that we would just stop giving a fuck about that kind of thing over here and, as a fan of various Japanese mediums, am outraged by what the west’s views are doing to industries.
Friday the 13th
December 6, 2015 at 11:44 am

Rockstar. Don’t you remember Jack Thompson? Granted his cause celebre was violence. But with the way you and yours kvetch it’s only a matter of time before a rape victim sues a games company because of fucking bikinis.

EDIT: Because you two are LITERALLY making the exact same argument:

Bad think X happens in life. Bad thing X happens in vidjagaems. Therefore bad thing X in vidjagaems causes bad thing X in life.
lpchaim
December 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm

Isn’t it mainly because most retail stores in the US will refuse to carry them or something along those lines? That’s what I hear, at least.
My1
December 6, 2015 at 12:23 pm

but why, as I said here games like battlefield and so on are 18+ and lying around almost everywhere.

I woner why there are just 3 games that are 18+ for violence in the US.
lpchaim
December 6, 2015 at 12:25 pm

Seeing as how they have found success on Steam and how censorship isn’t really that much of a problem there if Monster Monpiece is anything to go by, I’m thinking it’ll be fine. I’m all for uncensored PC ports going forward, if that’s what will ultimately come out of this decision.
lpchaim
December 6, 2015 at 12:35 pm

It’s not like I understand either, I’m as baffled as you are. With that said, I hate to admit it does make sense monetarily with my previous comment in mind, as stupid as that whole situation is.
My1
December 6, 2015 at 12:36 pm

but I mean WHY do they refuse 18+ games?
buddyluv324
December 6, 2015 at 1:36 pm

If you think that Hatred is the most “vile, disgusting and completely unnecessary games of our time,” you dont know shit about video games. You’re talking about an interactive market that’s tackling subjects on violence, racism, genocide, and yes not to “trigger” you but also sexism among a variety of other topics within gamings young 30+ years of its conception.

You also dont know shit about companies like IFI. IFI among with, Xseed, Atlus, and NISA to name a few are localizing game publishers that banks off niche titles. That’s what make them relevant and stand out from the saturation thats in gaming today. And yes they sometimes even localize games that are even just as or more risque that DOAX3 which they do have to be regulated by the ESRB when localizing these titles.
buddyluv324
December 6, 2015 at 1:38 pm

Look up a little title called The Guy Game
Len
December 6, 2015 at 1:42 pm

Finally a company did this. I’m tired of the censor ship, either bring it raw or don’t. I’m glad they finally did this, more companies need to follow this example so then the gaming community will fight back against SJWs so THEN we can get our games back.
lpchaim
December 6, 2015 at 2:31 pm

Again, not sure. Family friendliness I guess? It’s about the only reason I can think of as an outsider.
My1
December 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm

well here it is no problem to sell 18+ game but unrated games may not be advertised and may just be sold upon request and age verification, that is by law, unlike in the US where iirc the ESRB has no power at all, at least from the side of the law…
Jacky Hsu
December 6, 2015 at 4:15 pm

wait… so.. we teach Sex in class but not allow to have sexual jokes in games ??
Leonardo Cornejo Bernal
December 6, 2015 at 6:16 pm

Even worse then! We must do something before Japan decides to close its borders to the West in gaming.
Sheba
December 6, 2015 at 6:16 pm

Remember when we could say “traps” in a normal internet convo and not offend a poor trans’ feels? Cant have that anymore w/o twitter and tumblr mobs crying for your blood now. Just show you how worse this generation have been getting.
Feniks
December 6, 2015 at 7:37 pm

On the bright side I think the next Nintendo consoles will be region free.
Feniks
December 6, 2015 at 7:42 pm

I think Sony mainly looks at the ESRB not the European rating boards.

Like GTA always gets a 18 rating here in the Netherlands, which I think is fair. Children need to be protected but adults should be able to play whatever they want.
XERW
December 6, 2015 at 7:56 pm

I reaaaaally hope you’re right. God golly, imagine the future where your US-brought NX can play (and maybe access DLC) JP/EU imports seamlessly.

In this highly connected and mobile world, a region-locked PORTABLE console is very stupid.

Nintendo also inadvertently forces people to buy flashcards like Gateway so they can play their imports – many who later swayed by “free” JP ROMs – stopped buying out of apathy/bitterness. I know many who does, and that’s a missing business for Nintendo.

Unrelated, really hope the NX would use standard microSD rather than proprietary storage like the PSV.
XERW
December 6, 2015 at 7:58 pm

“Monpiece will be uncensored on PC”

welp, you just saved me money there! Thx mate, eagerly awaits the PC ver.
XERW
December 6, 2015 at 8:01 pm

Then just translate it over there, slap CERO C or D – and laugh as the import stream flows XD.

And yes. Even PEGI12 can be reclassified as ESRB M in US. It’s ok to blow people up to bits (T) but even a hint of sexual interaction would bumped it to (M).

*sigh*
XERW
December 6, 2015 at 8:02 pm

This.

Sadly, media right now is more catering to the “b-but think of the children!” crowd so…
XERW
December 6, 2015 at 8:04 pm

Primula = “18”

Yes, my sides hurts. Thank you very much XD
Derek
December 6, 2015 at 8:08 pm

The CFW Tentacle Tongue? The Dogoo torture? The phallic imagery of eggplants? The bath scrub scenes in Neptunia PP? The fact when you jump at the right angle you get a panty shot with some character being obvious to that fact?
BurgerUnit
December 6, 2015 at 8:34 pm

With the exception of the bath scrub scenes in the PP game which i never played, you’re reaching quite a bit (eggplants and angling the camera?).

I think the tongue thing was meant to drive home what a creeper the enemy was and mission accomplished. I don’t remember the dogoo torture thing so it didn’t leave an impression.

Maybe it’s just me getting older along with the responsibilities that go along with it, but I find it really hard to give two shits what happens to fake characters that neither look nor act like actual human beings.
Rob Toohey
December 6, 2015 at 8:48 pm

They aren’t changing it because they want to. Translation is a tough business; and sometimes things don’t have an equal word in another language; or a translation doesn’t make perfect sense.
♎Adamas?
December 6, 2015 at 9:17 pm

The ESRB is basically the MPAA of video games. Basically it’s just Informative but retailers won’t sell AO games just like movie theaters won’t carry NC-17 movies. It’s stupid and it’s because the US has become a country where 1 person screaming “PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM whatever the fook is the Corruptive boogeyman of the day get’s listened to more than the 100,000 who have two neurons to rub together in their skulls.
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 6, 2015 at 9:20 pm

Yeah, no. They’re just lying to your faces. They COULD just release their games as originally envisoned, but they’d be slapped with 18+/AO/R18+ ratings in Europe/US/Australia, which would hurt their sales and probably end up costing them money instead of making them any on a Western release.

Claiming they’re refusing to release the game censored “for the art” is just a cheap way for them to trick people into blaming the wrong people.
dsadsada
December 6, 2015 at 9:37 pm

Things worse than anything CH has done have been released in the west just fine. Take a look at Saki in Onechanbara. XSeed recently released Onechanbara Z2 Chaos in western markets just fine and there’s a costume of her wearing nothing but a banana and whipped cream to hide her crotch and nipples. She’s 14 years old. That was released on the PS4 in the west this very year with an M rating.
Derek
December 6, 2015 at 9:40 pm

I am getting older but I am getting more aware of that being a creepy person and actually enjoying this kind of game is not good for my mental wellbeing. I will learn about the product so I could make an informed opinion at least unlike the SJWs who leaps at the throat.
BurgerUnit
December 6, 2015 at 9:48 pm

I understand. I just don’t think enjoying these games makes you a bad or a creepy person but everyone has their own interpretation of what that is. It does have fan service, sure, but more than that, they are meant to be light hearted romps that pay homage to past franchises and the gaming industry.

I’d be willing to bet money that a lot of its fans don’t have a harmful or evil bone in their body and are probably genuinely good people. Last time I checked, its country of origin was one of , if not the most, safest countries on Earth.

That’s why I don’t thinks it’s fair to demonize people so easily and why I kind of went to bat here.

Anyway, back to watching Capcom Cup 2015. Cheers.
dsadsada
December 6, 2015 at 10:13 pm

Onechanbara Z2 Chaos had a 14 year old playable character with a costume where she wears nothing but a banana, whipped cream and strawberries to cover her naughty bits. That was released by XSeed this year in western markets just fine with an M rating. Yes, the US, EU, and Australia. All three that you mentioned.
dunno
December 6, 2015 at 10:52 pm

I’d rather pay more for the Asia – english release than a censored piece of trash
Vault Man
December 6, 2015 at 11:41 pm

While it sucks that kids would get that awful quality, it doesn’t make sense when they use it as an excuse for games that are T or M.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 12:02 am

And adding to that, the supposed leaking of a number of titles on Steam coming from IF as well as the other list of Hyperdimension games? Yeah, IF might start developing for PC directly…I wonder how that storyline will pan out in the world of Nep-Nep.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 12:05 am

So you’re telling me that Japanese games with nude Japanese girls are fine in Japan but censored in the West………………..

but Western games with nude Western girls are censored in Japan?
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 12:06 am

It’s the legal system. If a store sells an adult game to a child, the store gets sued out the butt. Rather than stock games they can’t sell to a good 70%+ of their market, on top of the fact they’d have to start IDing everyone buying the games, they just choose not to.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 12:10 am

And the legal age of consent in Japan is 13, but both parties must be 13 or 14. If one of them is 15, that’s jail. The same is 15 and 16. That’s fine, but 16 and 17 is jail.

It’s the same in the USA, where some states laws of consent are at 16, but 17 and 18 is rape.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 12:17 am

She was the one that banned me :) I don’t think it was about any kind of feminism things but it was so long ago I can’t remember. There are a couple decent moderators there (one actually visits here, I know because she liked one of my posts not long ago) but when you have someone running around banning people for having an actual discussion, it really ruins the climate.

Especially when she’s being rude, disrespectful and flat out wrong. I guess certain people at certain websites feel their power as mods means they have to ban people for making them feel uncomfortable about their beliefs.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 12:19 am

Yeah, commies want everyone to suffer equally, rather than just people they disagree with.
Pirate_Man
December 7, 2015 at 12:27 am

Your knowledge in Japan itself is quite lacking. Being on this site YOU SHOULD KNOW it’s illegal for Japan to display any part of genitalia to the public without getting fined and pulled from display.

So if Magazines like “people” can get away with an M rating by viewing naked girls, I imagine showing a bit of skin would rate any much higher.
mvgaea
December 7, 2015 at 12:41 am

I swear companies like Idea Factory should stop being afraid of people like Anita Sarkeesian and her brethren (that is “feminists” who claim to be “gamers”, but really just want to find excuses why to hate video games no matter what companies try to do to satisfy them, under the guise of “we just want equality between males and females” and “women are being discriminated against!”. Frankly I say the Japanese companies just ignore these people and release the games. Isn’t that what the “M” rating is for anyway?
Ash45
December 7, 2015 at 1:26 am

Being very stereotypical here, but gotta love how Americans in general are okay with violence being shown not just in media, or lately, and sadly, in the news. Turn on your local news and there’s probably a shooting or stabbing on it. Apparently it’s A-OK for kids to also be watching this, or catch glimpses of it.

But god forbid you show a boob on tv, in a game, or the internet, even though it’s everywhere.
My1
December 7, 2015 at 1:37 am

but why but there are games that are for adults as well but for some or another reason rated as 17+. if more games (especialy in regards to violence, get 18+ then more stores would maybe carry them and 18+ gets less of a problem, also “legal system” doesnt work here since the ESRB has no reinforrcement whatsoever by the law, at least last time I checked
My1
December 7, 2015 at 1:40 am

so if everyone listens to “protect the children” why isnt something done about guns, all the school shootings, or accidential shootings etc. happen and nothing changes? man guns shoud have at the very least a child protection so that a 3 year old cant “snipe” down both of his parents with one shot of a normal gun.
My1
December 7, 2015 at 1:41 am

so why are violence games still 17+ except for 3 of them, why arent guns banned yet?
your argumen doesnt make that much sense, I mean guns are so insecure that even 3 year olds can kill people accidentially…
Thanatos2k
December 7, 2015 at 2:42 am

“Not every localization is like SAO Hollow Fragment”

But most are. How can you even suggest otherwise?
Thanatos2k
December 7, 2015 at 2:43 am

That’s why I play Gust games. They’re turn based and don’t suck, and aren’t filled with sexualized underage women.
Thanatos2k
December 7, 2015 at 2:44 am

Yes, I know what community this is – easily outraged assholes. The same kind of people you pretend you’re fighting against.

Plus I wasn’t aware that I could only hold opinions and draw conclusions to things that are explicitly in the article. Use your brain, and follow the dots. We’ve had months and months and months of people here screaming “NO CENSOR OR NO BUY!!” and then suddenly they’d rather not release things at all. HMMMMMMM I WONDER.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 2:45 am

Eh, so you’re right. I had to figure out why it was in the news several years ago and why things suddenly shifted. I came across this yahoo question and the “best answer” seems to sum it up as well as it can be summed.

https://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130325104804AAT6Wpp

It seems that the idea of losing business is frightening. If someone sells a game with adult-oriented content to a minor, then the parent is a SJW, good luck Mr. Business. Video games don’t make it to the news on a regular basis but when it does, it’s because of the something bad (usually). If the SJWs get on the Today Show and discuss a game store chain selling a certain game to a certain twelve year old, that chain –especially the one where the sale occurred– is about to lose a lot of customers.

It’s been several years, though, since I’ve really heard anything noteworthy. After the big political push, the ESRB rating system seemed to be gold standard and game stores didn’t want that backlash again.
My1
December 7, 2015 at 3:01 am

but still why are all the violent games like battlefield and so on 17+ in US and in germany they sometimes even get a cnesored 18+ release, something is really wrong here.
Dgnfly
December 7, 2015 at 3:16 am

i got banned from gematsu for just raising the dual audio question. and saying i would buy publisher ATLUS games if they had dual audio. then i get attacked by english dub lovers for no reason defend myself yet they are screaming all sorts off shit at the then i start trolling their stupidity. and i’m the only 1 banned. while i diden’t use any harsh language except that they are stupid and lazy for not trying to understand another language.
XERW
December 7, 2015 at 3:22 am

Really? A lot of them carry the coveted (T) rating. The wealth of 12 y/o in CoD MPs is also lol worthy. Don’t even kid yourself, also almost all civilized countries banned/restricted civilian firearms possession.

Well a kid can accidentally disengages handbrake while the car is on a slope, should be ban cars?

Seriously.
My1
December 7, 2015 at 3:24 am

well what I meant is 17+ at highest. the point is that none of them (except for three of them) are 18+…
but SERIOUSLY? cod and similar are for THIRTEEN year olds WTF is that?
GDI
December 7, 2015 at 3:56 am

There may be no “SJW boogeyman” but there’s definitely an anti-lolicon brigade out there. In fact, one of the operatives posted on 8ch a month or two ago describing his accomplishments. I wish I had screencapped the entire thread. He said he was responsible for the purges at Sad Panda (e-hentai) and why in most hentai art communities they have suddenly become very cold towards artwork depicting girls younger than a certain age (whereas they were openly lolicon before).

In recent months I have become active in the lewd gamer community and have been getting my feet wet at game development since I really like sexy games and want them to prosper, but I’m afraid that the general direction is towards a PC-only AO-rated future (and even then with a minimum age requirement for virtual characters).

Thankfully lewd developers are making a killing on Patreon so there is going to be no shortage of lewd games in the future. The problem is convincing the Japanese devs to bring their content over, which is the main issue here.
LarryBundyJr
December 7, 2015 at 4:36 am

SjW’s bullied another dev into total censorship.
Narmy
December 7, 2015 at 5:37 am

Japanese console games don’t have fully nude girls, period. There are no nipples in Japanese developed console games, and western games with nipples are censored.

The Japanese rating system is more strict on both nudity and violence, that’s why nothing developed there is in danger of an AO rating here.
Alistair
December 7, 2015 at 6:01 am

If there is a silver lining from this & maybe for the best not idea though.

Is more Asia release uncensored games then people that does the localise games will be absolute & have to lay of work with redundancy then no more money for them.

Let them scream foul of SJWs for losing their jobs & cash sales, no win for SJWs too a tiny bit of victory does not make a great victory they too will face redundancy from lack of western localise games to moan about.

A greater victory for us gamers as we continue to played questionable lolicom uncensored Ecchi games & them can’t do fuck sqat to do anything.

MAKE SJWS unrevilent.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 7:21 am

“Because violence is part of life.” was the battle cry for so many years. “If you look out your window, there’s violence. War is a real thing happening and there’s never going to be an escape.”

This is why the ESRB, MPAA and retailers, can sell violence rather than sex. That’s why you can see a gunshot with blood splattering on primetime, network TV but you can’t see sideboob or a bit of that butt.

Yes, sex is much more a part of life, but no matter how you slice it, the “west” philosophy comes from Christianity and the ‘pick and choose’ conservatism in the Bible. Too bad none of the guys in charge ever read Song of Solomon.
My1
December 7, 2015 at 7:23 am

well your argument makes sense, at least partially, but I have one argument that crushes a lot of it.

*drumroll*

Miley Cyrus.
Feniks
December 7, 2015 at 7:33 am

Mmm yeah here a game store can get a hefty fine if they sell a 18 rated game to a kid.
My1
December 7, 2015 at 7:37 am

well in normal jurisdictions yes, but the ESRB has no legal standing in the US, but anyway, the question is why are games like cod and stuff are not rated 18+, also the only thing you need to emply is age check, isnt hard to ask for the ID.
TheScienceEnthusiast1130
December 7, 2015 at 8:21 am

@schobeleth:disqus :)
TheScienceEnthusiast1130
December 7, 2015 at 8:22 am

I got banned from both Gematsu and Siliconera
Ragna Neon
December 7, 2015 at 9:39 am

this is sad i really like this games i buy some of them but is sad view this close mind in west
Uncle Heffy
December 7, 2015 at 9:48 am

I’m sorry, but the false american prude act is getting annoying. We can’t make games like GTA V, Postal and Hatred and then try and act high and mighty when some Japanese game comes on down. “Wow, that girl is wearing barely anything. Japan is so perverted. (proceeds to play GTA V and screw some hookers in his car, followed by shooting them afterwards).

Hypocrisy at it’s worst.
Uncle Heffy
December 7, 2015 at 9:50 am

That’s the best thing I’ve ever read ever.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 11:19 am

My “argument” is merely an echo of government officials, media and parent groups in the USA over the last ten years. I disagree with them but that is why we are where we are today.

Miley Cyrus? So tell me when was the last time Miley Cyrus performed at the local mall? We’re talking about stores that any child can get into, a store that might be sitting next to a Toys R Us or Claire’s. Miley Cyrus, while all over the unregulated internet and cable TV, is still heavily censored on network TV and in “public” areas.
My1
December 7, 2015 at 11:23 am

well I dont know but one thing I know is that she serously has some loose screws.

also they could make the adult games on higher shelves or put them into a seperate area, also we have 18+ games/movies etc. often enough in our stores.
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 7, 2015 at 11:39 am

I’m sorry, did you reply to the wrong person? Because what you just said had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
koreawut
December 7, 2015 at 11:41 am

Yeah, movies are supposedly allowed to be “artistic” but video games aren’t. And again, the concept of violence is more acceptable — especially in war games. One could argue that these types of games, “value the horrors that our predecessors experienced during combat.” Heck, BF games might make their wait to campus history programs in the future…
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 7, 2015 at 11:44 am

Except, you know, the Swedish guy took his case to the Swedish supreme court, where every single image he was originally convicted of was eventually thrown out for not depiction child pornography. One image was still deemed as depicting child pornography, but his sentence was vacated and expunged, he got compensation from the court and the case set precedence.

But let’s forget all of that because it goes against your narrative of “everything can be judged as child pornography”.
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 7, 2015 at 11:45 am

Since you clearly indicate that you’re talking about Sweden in a different post:

Except, you know, the Swedish guy took his case to the Swedish supreme court, where every single image he was originally convicted of was eventually thrown out for not depiction child pornography. One image was still deemed as depicting child pornography, but his sentence was vacated and expunged, he got compensation from the court and the case set precedence.

But let’s forget all of that because it goes against your narrative of “everything can be judged as child pornography”.

People get wrongfully accused and convicted all the time, especially when a law is new and there exists no prior cases. This was the FIRST case in Sweden to be tried under the new law, which is why he was originally convicted by a confused court, but the Supreme Court eventually basically exonerated him.
patyos
December 7, 2015 at 11:45 am

yup cant wait for monster monpiece on steam
Henrik Blomgren
December 7, 2015 at 11:48 am

yeah, let´s forget that 3 out of 4 of the Swedish juridical system ruled it child porn just because the highest one didn´t rule it as such…

That it took that long for it to be ruled not a law breaking on most articles? explains how stupid the law in itself is.
Henrik Blomgren
December 7, 2015 at 11:50 am

“new” law? dude the child pornography law hasn´t been changed in a long long time.

To my knowledge it still hasn´t been changed at all. That´s why people can even be accused and convicted for having drawn images of anything that looks like younger people. Since the law itself is so open for how to read it.

That and apparently people think a bit of ink on a piece of paper have feelings that can be hurt.
lpchaim
December 7, 2015 at 11:59 am

I see, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
Alistair
December 7, 2015 at 1:06 pm

Cartoon characters young or old have no age that is the fact.

In monpiece the twist is the monsters are punished trapped in girls bodies & monsters hasn’t got ages too.

In fact monsters of legends that so old in forklore doesn’t need to have age.

The senran girls got no age in they profile,

In conception-2 the characters has age mention age 16-18 years old & you follow questionable things yo them. That game is uncensored.

Conception is the only exception.

Edit: I don’t think I played Ar nosurge yet is it any good?
Ubrokemygrill?
December 7, 2015 at 2:01 pm

The media is filled sexualized children, but drawn sexualized children are a problem. The hypocrisy coming out of the west is getting worse and worse every year. When a 13 year old wearing a bikini in a video game gets censored but 13 year olds run around on tv in bikinis with no complaints, you know the west has truly fucking twisted morals.
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 2:09 pm

It’s not hypocrisy, because the prudes calling for censorship are not the same people letting teens run around in bikinis.
Ubrokemygrill?
December 7, 2015 at 2:13 pm

Yes it is, because it’s fine when people in the west do it but not when people in the east do it.
♎Adamas?
December 7, 2015 at 2:14 pm

Because groups like the Corporations and such pour hundreds of millions a year into buying politicians.
Henrik Blomgren
December 7, 2015 at 4:33 pm

except that´s where the law comes in and gives them a age. If they look to young? no fun since you can get accused of owning child porn…

senran girls are 3rd years. 3rd year in Japan means 16 I believe.

Ar nosurge is by Gust and if you´ve played the Ar Tonelico games then Ar nosurge is right up your alley.

If you want a direct mindfuck on how you view gaming? Ar nosurge gives you that. So yeah. Ar nosurge is a great game. But has some ehm should we say questionable content in some places?
Prof. Faust
December 7, 2015 at 5:29 pm

No, they are still using that excuse. The inversion is that they think all adults are really children.
Prof. Faust
December 7, 2015 at 5:30 pm

Or sometimes it’s a naughty word and naughty words are problematic.
Prof. Faust
December 7, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Stop aping SJWs.
Prof. Faust
December 7, 2015 at 5:44 pm

Who is to blame if not the people explicitly calling for more restrictions on which games we should play?
Prof. Faust
December 7, 2015 at 5:50 pm

Doesn’t the fact that a character has a sex necessitate a sexualized depiction of that character? Should we depict all underage people as androgynous pseudohumans or something?
Alistair
December 7, 2015 at 6:33 pm

Thanks for the heads up regarding Ar nosurge will check it out later when back log of games go down some what.

But truth be know I know nothing about arrest for person playing HENTAI or questionable cartoon girls that look quite young.

A good example is the up-coming monpiece nearly every monster girl look & is a loli but it still be okay to own that & play it.

There are even internet blocks to block you out of unsuitable websites but manga gamer is still there. Manga gamer is a site for Ecchi & HENTAI games.

Also the authorities are short of cash do they go after cartoon characters that have no feelings or do they go after real child abuses images that really cause harm.

But yet none of cartoon characters shows a single nipple or bushy below suggested innuendo is not illegal.

Even if a loli show a nipple it’s still legal HIGH SCHOOL DXD give just that. & rated 15.
Dr.Weird
December 7, 2015 at 7:57 pm

I’m not mocking them, I’m saying we should do unto them what they would do to us, and laugh while we do so.
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 9:45 pm

That idea feels nice, but I would rather go for what’s really important — which is to have our own “safe space” from SJ-ism, if you will. That just means having at least some game companies that refuse to employ or listen to SJWs, or to any agency or “industry group” that acts as their agent.

I would stoop to their level if it were really necessary, but I think we can beat them without doing it..
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 9:51 pm

The stores refuse to carry them, not because store owners are prudes but because there are a lot of troll lawyers (and trolls who pretend to be lawyers), who try (or threaten) to make a big-bucks case out of it whenever a teenager manages to buy and play a “mature” title against his parents’ wishes. Some parts of the US suffer more from these trolls than others. They rarely take a case to court, and often lose when they do, but they are good at scaring victims into settling with them.

I suggest that anyone who receives this type of legal threat check in with a gamer-friendly lawyer blog such as popehat.com before he even consider paying.
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 9:56 pm

Apples and oranges. US law allows nipples and pubic hair to be shown; Japan doesn’t. But the US criminalizes underage-appearing animated cartoons, and Japan allows them.

I would like to see this law challenged. By all means continue to lock people up for life if they knowingly use a real girl below the age of consent for sex. But if you checked ID you should not be liable, and if certainly any so-called child porn that doesn’t involve a real child in any way should simply be allowed without exception.
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 10:03 pm

Typical leftist thinking. Take the California shooting just recently. California has strong gun control, and those shooters were certainly committing two or three felonies even before they opened fire (one for carrying a loaded weapon without a carry permit, one because the senior facility was a gun-free zone). Clearly those laws did not prevent either bad guy from having guns. Why would you expect passing even more laws to produce a different result?

On the other hand, if California had the much less strict gun laws of any of the three neighboring states, chances are that someone else present would have been legally carrying, and would have ended the whole problem by shooting the perps.
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 10:13 pm

No one with integrity and brains enough to read and understand Marx could possibly support his ideas.
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 10:20 pm

Agreed. And if US stores won’t carry a game, set up a website that allows a direct purchase over the web. (Of course if the US government continues efforts like Operation Choke Point, so that credit cards and PayPal won’t work for these purchases, a new payment intermediary may need to be created for the purpose. Those companies already ban many perfectly legal Internet purchases — for example tobacco — so we need at least one new “PayPal” anyway.)
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 10:21 pm

That ought to be true, but it isn’t. At least in the US. It is in Japan, though.
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 10:25 pm

SJWs’ have already screwed up a lot more than gaming. They’ve made it illegal for “guys to be guys” in any workplace. That needs to change back, and our movement should expand to take in its victims. Similarly, the “rape culture” and “BLM” campaigns are part of “SJ”, and their victims belong in our movement too.
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 10:33 pm

We can do all those things to them, too. (Apropos of that — does anyone here know what became of the GamerGate wiki site?)
jdgalt
December 7, 2015 at 10:39 pm

It matters if enough of us jailbreak our game consoles, which is now legal in the US.
Dr.Weird
December 7, 2015 at 11:40 pm

yeah but that’s the thing, it’s not just our games at stake, it’s all of western civilization, we crush this, literally, or we become steadily weaker as a society.
Nonscpo
December 8, 2015 at 3:20 am

Hoping for the best out of all of this ;_;
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 8, 2015 at 3:51 am

Nobody’s restricting you from playing the game. They’re only rating the games with an age recommendation so parents will know to not buy certain games fror their kids.
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 8, 2015 at 3:54 am

So you have absolutely no insight into the matter. The law WAS changed in 2010 (well, it was voted through in 2010, it may actually have been changed in 2011, I’m too lazy to check). I guess 5 years constitutes “a long long time” in youir world. It was the very reason why Simon Lundström was prosecuted for possession of child pornography in the first place. The law was interpreted by the Swedish supreme court in away that very narrowly limits what can be judged to be child pornography when it comes to animated depictions.
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 8, 2015 at 3:59 am

It does not matter how many instances got it wrong before the Supreme Court. Your argument is that it’s easy to be convicted of possession of child pornography in Sweden if you possess drawings of possibly-maybe-if-you-squint-underage characters engaging in sex. This is patently untrue after the Supreme Court ruled in the matter.

You seem unable to grasp what it is that the Supreme Court does. The Supreme Court interprets the law and they have final say. Their interpretations set precedents. All future cases involving animated depictions of possibly-underage people engaging in sex will be judged according to the ruling that the Supreme Court set, not the other courts.

Also, yet again you demonstrate how little you actually know on the subject you’ve spewed so many untruths on. When it comes to criminal cases, there are 3 instances one can go through in Sweden, the District Court (Tingsrätt), the Court of Appeals (Hovrätt) and the Supreme Court (Högsta domstolen). In other words, TWO instances got it “wrong”.
Prof. Faust
December 8, 2015 at 4:32 am

So it’s not censorship if businesses do it themselves? The problem with a ratings board is hat rather than a parent or guardian evaluating games on a case-by-case basis (i.e. a parent doing their damn job) it allows people to lump games which contain very little to be objectionable with games that contain a whole lot to object to. Because ratings boards do not have a transparent process, the application of their rules is wildly inconsistent and politically motivated.

If you don’t think there is be a problem, I would advise you to watch “This Film is not Yet Rated” which details corruption within the MPAA’s rating board. The same problems that occur in the the film industry currently exist within the gaming industry.
Prof. Faust
December 8, 2015 at 4:35 am

We will never gain momentum as a movement for journalistic ethics if we do not practice what we preach.
Darkling
December 8, 2015 at 5:57 am

hopefully they will in time see that their games will likely get an PEGI-16 uncensored in Europe
Henrik Blomgren
December 8, 2015 at 8:18 am

I stand corrected. They did change the law. Now your allowed to draw images of child porn and have them in your possesion, but you can´t show them to any one…

And they have written out it has to resemble a real child.

Before they had no description of anything animated added as they do now. Still, “pornographic situation” doesn´t make it any easier to interpret. So the law is still funky and so unclear.

But still. It doesn´t say “it´s not child porn” as your trying to make it sound like.

My knowledge of the court system here is indeed low. Since whenever the court does rule something or is promoted to make a choice they always seems to make the bad choice. Another subject went from one gear of the scale to the opposite one and still sucks. That this case had to go to the Supreme Court at all is a parody on laws everywhere.
Nicholas Perry
December 8, 2015 at 8:49 am

I’m surprised at all the things that get changed could even remotely get an AO rating. They are stylized art. It’s not realistic graphics.

Yet certain western games featuring nudity or sex or sexual situations seem to skirt by with no objections.

Yet a game with 2D and highly stylized art that some people interpret in broadly dumb way is no good.

Mortal Kombat X features insanely grotesque amounts of murder, death and violence down to muscle and bones. Yet is A-OK. (Not that there is anything wrong with it. I could care less. But it’s annoying when only a certain type of thing gets picked on more when others get a free pass)
Dr.Weird
December 8, 2015 at 2:18 pm

go ethics cuck at someone retarded enough to buy that that’s even a fucking issue worth debating, your entire fucking way of life is under attack and you want to bitch about ethics? fuck you.
YourAverageVNgamer
December 8, 2015 at 5:39 pm

I dont like censor ship, I always found it frustrating. it… Dulls the game alot.

I dont think I am the only one who thinks this, mostly because there are with every asian game release alot of forum threads in web shops complains about the localization.

Most of these complains are usualy just poeple complaining about stuff like how the speech doesnt fit with the character. The reason the game was so successfull was because of the original game.

Now I am not saying Idea factory censors awfully, infact in my opinion its ok… mostly.. in the mmo industry its alot worse. Alot. But I wont go into that.

I think the problem lies in the intire censoring it self, why is it even necessary? ofcourse I do agree that some things dont fit with the mentality of the commen country peeps, but! most poeple who buy a asian game buy it because its finaly translated. They are intrested in it. wel I guess you know where I am going with this.

long story short its like what Haru Akenaga said: “Thats not true to the original developed art.” Infact I am all for the no censoring. The poeple who demand censoring arent the once who play/buy the game anyway.
I think poeple want the true version of the game.

personal thoughs/complains:
What my greatest wish is, remove region locks. its stupid.

Its weird. it even feels unfair sometimes, like when there are some DLC’s in Korea or japan, but they will never ever come here. though this is probly a form of censoring. still consoring and region locks.. its nothing I find on brands of bread.. “ooh! this bread its not blue because.. its not allowed in france or germany..” “this orange bread I cant seem to open its bag, cause its not allowed in the US”
yes.. region locks arent on anything els but games.
Alistair
December 8, 2015 at 6:17 pm

Yes SJWs leave my WUIFA tittys alone & buttocks ?
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 8, 2015 at 8:22 pm

The MPAA and ESRB are entirely different entities that function entirely differently. I’ve seen “This Film Is Not yet Rated”. The way their ratings work is also entirely different. The only way fora ESRB rating to directly affect how a game is sold is the AO-rating, which only TWO GAMES have gotten in the HISTORY of the ESRB system (three if you count GTA:SA before the Cold Coffee patch). Other than that, the rating is a RECOMMENDATION only. Retailers are free to sell GTAV to 6 yearolds. Most simply choose not to.

No, it’s not censorship if the content creator makes a CREATIVE OR BUSINESS DECISION to do something. The definition of censorship is that something has been SUPPRESSED. Suppression is always involuntary.
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 8, 2015 at 8:25 pm

Again, you need to read up before commenting on a subject. You clearly have absolutely NO insight into the Swedish court system. The lower criminal courts are idiotic, yes. The reason why is their very system.

Our sentences are handed out by tribunals of 5, consisting of 1 educated and licensed judge and 4 amateurs, often local policitians or well-connected people, sometimes or often with zero competence or insight into the law. This is why the lower courts “gets it wrong” so often.
jdgalt
December 8, 2015 at 8:39 pm

If the warning has the effect of making it not pay to release the game, then it’s censorship. A business decision isn’t really voluntary if the conditions that require it are deliberately created by bullies.
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 8, 2015 at 8:49 pm

Again, nobody fucking threatened to refuse them the right to release their games in the West. Plenty of games with even MORE risque content has been released in the West with 15+ to 18+ labels, which would only be recommendations and do not in any way shape or form limit where the games can be sold.

Read up on how age ratings in videogames work before spouting off.
Dreiko
December 9, 2015 at 1:04 am

You’re generally correct but there’s exceptions too. Hakuoki for example had the protagonist rewritten by the localizer to be more empowering and whatnot, according to himself in an interview. He disliked how she was ditzy and spoke of sex in passive ways so he changed her a ton.
Philip 'Yuna' Wester
December 9, 2015 at 7:16 pm

By the way, I forgot to mention this before: The Supreme Court set the precedence that under the 2010 child pornography law, drawn depictions cannot be ruled as being child pornography unless the depiction looks photo-realistic. So, no, a drawing of bug-eyed big-mouthed anime character will never be ruled as constituting child pornography in Sweden unless the law changes yet again.
ashikenshin
December 9, 2015 at 7:36 pm

Just release them on Steam! then no censoring necessary !
Prof. Faust
December 10, 2015 at 2:42 pm

Are you an SJW plant?
Divine Providence
December 10, 2015 at 2:45 pm

There’s a petition going on for gamers who want to support Japanese game developers, help them take a stand for their art.

https://www.change.org/p/koei-tecmo-capcom-namco-monolith-soft-ncsoft-1-million-gamers-strong-for-japanese-gaming?recruiter=444515818&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
Divine Providence
December 10, 2015 at 2:47 pm

If we want Japan to stand up for their own creativity, then we need to show them how much support they really have:
https://www.change.org/p/koei-tecmo-capcom-namco-monolith-soft-ncsoft-1-million-gamers-strong-for-japanese-gaming?recruiter=444515818&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
FlawedIntellect
December 11, 2015 at 11:17 am

If that’s really an issue, then explain why NekoPara was able to have an uncensored Western release.
George Lambert
December 13, 2015 at 8:38 pm

問題ないだけど。今からこのアイロニック４ｃｈやつらはもうネプチューヌとか日本のゲームとか関係ない。何か嬉しいだ。

そして俺とお前にも関係ねぇだろう？だって日本語良く分かるし・・・
The_Mad_Monarch
December 14, 2015 at 3:38 pm

Without a doubt I’d rather have a good localization and dub, but right now it’s a pain in the ass to get that. So fuck it, I’d love for them to start making games with English subtitles I can just import from then, at least until we start getting good and uncensored localization.
DariusQ
December 14, 2015 at 5:45 pm

Given that a VA strike is looming large that may be the best and only option going forward. That literally sounds good to me.
DariusQ
December 14, 2015 at 5:52 pm

Don’t punish the fans because someone who doesn’t play your games is threatening to boycott. Just ignore the whining SJWs and let the ESRB do it’s job. Nothing in these games would warrant more than an M rating anyways.
An Tran
December 14, 2015 at 8:41 pm

Wishful thinking, this is Nintendo we’re talking about. They’ll say they’ll CONSIDER something, only to do the opposite in the worst way possible.
Djinnenjous
December 15, 2015 at 1:50 pm

You’re welcome to keep your hypersexualized underage girls on your tsunami-bait island prison, guys. We already have enough irresponsibly dressed female warriors stateside; there’s no need to add fuel to that particular sexist inferno.

/posted by an educated, happily married, adult male who respects women
LDM
December 15, 2015 at 3:42 pm

It’s if that movie “Demolition Man” is coming to fruition every minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_5cJ180xc
Chocolate ISISCream
December 15, 2015 at 4:20 pm

If I ever win the lottery I will start my own publishing/localization company and not cave in to SJW fucktards.
Stan
December 15, 2015 at 5:51 pm

look at that show, Toddlers and Tiara’s, one of the many shows where they get girls that are like 4-7 or whatever and dress them up. Putting on makeup, padding their dresses up sometimes for fake breasts, and even wearing skimpy bikinis too. That show outright DOES sexualize the little girls. But for some reason its allowed to be on tv, but wanting a bikini on a videogame character thats under 18 makes you an automatic peadophile. I dont get it.
Syze00
December 15, 2015 at 6:09 pm

How about just give an english subtitile with no localisation at all besides the subs, and allow us to import it? I would like to learn how to read japanese but I’m not going to do it just to play a couple of games. I love Japanese story driven games, and although some cultural jokes might slip by me, I understand most of it and would love to continue playing them.
Cats736
December 15, 2015 at 11:22 pm

PC doesn’t have multiplayer though but I guess that doesn’t really matter since Monpiece’s multiplayer is dead anyways.
Cats736
December 15, 2015 at 11:29 pm

Have you played Boob Wars? Because some of the characters in them are definitely not 18.
Cats736
December 15, 2015 at 11:42 pm

“The senran girls got no age in they profile,”

Just want to point out that this is because XSEED removed them.

Some bigwig wanted to raise their ages but it ended up being decided that they should just be removed instead.
Cats736
December 15, 2015 at 11:57 pm

It’s called self-censorship and self-censorship is still censorship.
Cats736
December 16, 2015 at 12:02 am

Every game that has been released by NISA, IF and so on that has been censored has been the result of self-censorship, not because of an AO rating they ‘might’ get which wouldn’t happen.
CSStrowbridge
December 16, 2015 at 8:06 am

You are wrong.
Cats736
December 16, 2015 at 8:45 am

I am not.

Their statement back from when they censored the game was the usual “we felt” speech.

Of course the Steam version is unrated, PC games do not require ratings. This means they don’t have to self-censor because they ‘think’ they ‘might’ get an AO rating.

I can and will make that claim because these are non-explicit, non-pornographic console games we are talking about. It is absurd that you or anyone would entertain this idea that these games could be illegal in the US.

These aren’t children, they’re not even human.
CSStrowbridge
December 16, 2015 at 9:12 am

“Sony requires publishers to go through the ESRB. When we presented
Monpiece to them, they said we could not publish the game as is…”

You.
Are.
Wrong.

“It is absurd that you or anyone would entertain this idea that these games could be illegal in the US.”

The law is not on your side here.

“These are not children…”

If you have adults in porn pretending to be kids, you can go to jail for child porn.
Cats736
December 16, 2015 at 10:08 am

“However, if those same fans find that the modifications we felt we had to make have made the localized version of the game completely unacceptable, perhaps it was not the right decision to try to localize and publish this title for these markets.”

“I can tell you right now, the censored images would not have boosted
the ESRB rating beyond an M, and only *possibly* would’ve boosted the
PEGI rating to a 16 instead of a 12.” – http://forum.marvelous-usa.com/index.php?s=b030f76dd06a7f0a31b03f6a12f2d150&showtopic=27138&st=150#entry832441

Not on my side? That coming from someone who thinks adults age-playing is considered child porn? You have no clue what is illegal and what is not or what side anything is on.

And once again, we are not talking about porn.

I’m going to assume you’re trolling me because I refuse to believe you’re actually that warped.
Hitokiri_Ace
December 16, 2015 at 11:16 am

PC directly? Oh please yes. :D

Not that the games are system pushers (graphically I mean), but I’d love getting them quicker than.. a year later. haha

Now that I’m done with Fallout4, I need to get back to Rebirth3. :D Gotta get my Noire fix. haha
CSStrowbridge
December 16, 2015 at 12:04 pm

“I’m going to assume you’re trolling me because I refuse to believe you’re actually this warped.”

Translation: “Just because I jack-off to pictures of 12-year old kids, doesn’t mean I’m a pedophile.”

Yeah, I’ve seen this self-delusion before.
Cats736
December 16, 2015 at 1:48 pm

Confirmed as troll
CSStrowbridge
December 16, 2015 at 2:27 pm

Because only a Troll would have problems with sexualized drawing of children.
jdgalt
December 16, 2015 at 2:38 pm

That’s absolutely true when the drawings are made without any actual children being misused.
CSStrowbridge
December 16, 2015 at 3:23 pm

Or the person in question could have read studies that show sexualized images of children, including cartoon children, normalize sex with kids and makes it more likely that the person using them would molest children in real life.
jdgalt
December 16, 2015 at 3:28 pm

Irrelevant. No one has any right to try to ban an activity merely because it “normalizes” an idea he disagrees with.
CSStrowbridge
December 16, 2015 at 3:48 pm

Disagrees with? Child molesting is fucking crime. RAPE IS A CRIME.
Prof. Faust
December 20, 2015 at 2:16 pm

Ethics are our way of life.
TsukuyomiMagi99
February 8, 2016 at 3:40 am

Where can I find these studies?
CSStrowbridge
February 8, 2016 at 9:11 am

It’s part of Cultivation Theory, which is a theory is the same way Gravity is a theory.

Asking for studies is like demanding I prove gravity is real. It just shows you haven’t done the research, and since what you are asking for is a university level subject, I don’t have the skill to teach it.
Evgenij Merenkov
February 23, 2016 at 2:00 am

By your logic person who plays video game (or watch movie) where you kill somebody is more likely to do it in real life. That means that we should ban all violence on any video or even audio media.
CSStrowbridge
February 23, 2016 at 2:37 am

“By your logic…”

It’s not by my logic, but what the evidence shows. If you gave a damn about evidence, then you would already know this.

“…person who plays video game (or watch movie) where you kill somebody is more likely to do it in real life.”

There’s no link between violence in video games (or movies) and criminal aggression. That’s CRIMINAL aggression. This is the same disproved crap Jack Thompson was spouting. But just because his claims were crap doesn’t mean all claims about the effects of video games are crap.

There is absolutely a link between violent video games (and movies and sports) and regular aggression.

I remember reading a study where playing violent video games made stock traders make riskier trades.

Hell, if you show a person a picture of a gun, they will become more aggressive.

There’s also the issue of “imitable behavior” and kids, but that’s a whole other issue.

===========================

So that’s where we are at.

Your “logic” is contradicted by the scientific evidence.

You have two options.
You can accept reality, in which case we are done, because there is no disagreement.

Or you can reject reality, in which case I’m going to ignore you, for the same reason I don’t debate creationists.
jdgalt
February 23, 2016 at 11:31 pm

Good. Crawl back into your hole.
CSStrowbridge
February 25, 2016 at 1:02 am

“Good. Crawl back into your hole.”

Translation: “Fuck science. I have my dogma to defend. … Also rape. I’m going to defend rape.”
Evgenij Merenkov
February 26, 2016 at 2:17 am

>> …evidence shows…

Link to evidence please.

>> There is absolutely a link…

There a lot of linked phenomena that exist in this world. Even posting comments can be linked to aggression, because some people rage after viewing them. If we forbid all comments people will obviously rage less. So, should we forbid commenting because it does have links to aggression? I think that would be a very stupid thing to do.
Evgenij Merenkov
February 26, 2016 at 2:41 am

I don’t see any science in your comments. And here is evidence showing that some children have positive experience after having romantic and/or erotic relationship with an adult:

https://www.ipce.info/host/rivas/positive_memories.htm
CSStrowbridge
February 26, 2016 at 4:24 am

“Link to evidence please.”

… You want me to prove Cultivation Theory to you?

Do you want me to mail you a university textbook?

“Even posting comments can be linked to aggression…”

Is aggression illegal?
CSStrowbridge
February 26, 2016 at 4:27 am

“And here is evidence…”

And what peer-reviewed journal was that published in?

Oh right, none.

I fucking hope you get put on a government watch list.
アントナント
February 26, 2016 at 5:04 am

>being that mad over mere drawings
>trusting ‘researches’ only when they’re published in journals and approved by the government.

Well aren’t you being a normalfag?
CSStrowbridge
February 26, 2016 at 5:16 am

“trusting ‘researches’ only when they’re published in journals and approved by the government.”

Peer-reviewed journals are not approved by the government, you fucking moron.

“Well aren’t you being a normalfag?”

I’d rather be a “normalfag” than be subnormal, like you.

Christ, you guys are fucking idiots.
アントナント
February 26, 2016 at 5:39 am

Except that normalfags are actually subhuman you know?
>cant tell the difference between a drawing and fiction to the reality
CSStrowbridge
February 26, 2016 at 5:45 am

“would trust the government and the leftist media”

Science is neither of those.

“like a good goy”

Antisemitism. I guess it was bound to show up.
アントナント
February 26, 2016 at 6:01 am

>Science is immune of being falsely done for propaganda purposes
Yep. Definitively brainwashed beyond salvation.
Enjoy the cute anime girls at least.
CSStrowbridge
February 26, 2016 at 6:21 am

“Science is immune of being falsely done/subjective for propaganda purposes”

Idiots make the same claim about Evolution, Global Warming, etc. You can’t just say the science is wrong without providing actual evidence.

“Enjoy the cute anime girls at least.”

I hope you get put on the sex offenders list and then someone kills you as a result. That would be justice.
Evgenij Merenkov
February 26, 2016 at 11:01 am

Sorry, but Cultivation Theory does not apply here, because TV propaganda aims to present itself as real world events and that is why people are influenced by TV. Video Games are just fantasy and they never try to convince player that they are reality. Only extremely dumb person can be influenced by them.

I never stated that it was illegal. If you want “link to illegal” example then then it is possible to show that comments can trigger hate speech which is illegal in some cases. Heck, even using wires to transmit data can link to TONS of illegal stuff. This does not mean that we should destroy internet cables to stop illegal activity.
Evgenij Merenkov
February 26, 2016 at 11:14 am

It matters little, because it is simply unreasonable to assume that no such example exist. Until recently it was pretty common practice to have marriage starting from 14 years old (for girls). And there was no limit to age difference. Humanity have lived like this for a LONG time. It is a lot more reasonable to assume that some of those marriages with adult had positive results, than to assume that ALL of them were negative.
Evgenij Merenkov
February 26, 2016 at 11:28 am

You want to get people killed simply because they have different opinion/tastes than yours. This alone shows that liking drawing of nude little girls is a lot more safer than hating drawings of nude little girls. So yes – go watch some lolis. Maybe this will calm you down and you will stop wanting to kill people.
アントナント
February 26, 2016 at 12:54 pm

“Sir, you’ve been submitted to a death sentence for kissing and patting an anime girl both in drawings and vidya. May God have mercy on your soul”
flashn00b
March 14, 2016 at 1:10 am

I suppose this provides some truth regarding my suspicion regarding a lack of Megadimension on PC? (fear of nude mods)
Roman BOZANIC
March 18, 2016 at 1:24 am

I pirate censored games. I had to pirate fire emblem bravery second and dungeon travelers 2. Feels still like an empty expirance, rather then owning the real games which I can never have since asking me to learn Japanese is bullshit I pirate a copy which even when done feels empty and prevents me from enjoying the game knowing I play a knock off rather then the real deal.
Valerie Wilkins
May 8, 2016 at 4:11 am

I am sorry to post here, but I don’t want to leave my “links” up in that post (or any).
So I deleted all that.
1 or 2 others from LaN are contacting me through email.
I would like to talk to you on a non-public forum.
It is up to you, but If you decide to contact me that way, just message me here and I will send you the email address.
If you want me to leave things alone, please let me know, and I will DELETE this link.
Thank you.
Djinnenjous
May 9, 2016 at 2:59 pm

Valerie, email me at [email protected]. It’s an alt account that I can share publicly. If it gets compromised I’ll scrap it. From there, I’ll share my personal email address with you.
Smug
May 9, 2016 at 3:24 pm

>believing women respect beta (white-knight) males like you
>cant handle showing female skin

hue
Djinnenjous
May 9, 2016 at 4:27 pm

I’m no “beta (white-knight) male;” I’m just a husband and a father of four girls who understands the social pressures women face to be physically perfect, and the damage this inflicts on them. Men who think women respect alpha, black-sheep males are goddamned toolbags who don’t deserve any better than castration; and women who chase after them don’t respect themselves, anyway, so whatever.

As far as handling skin goes, I love the female body and I’m actually supportive of pornography in healthy contexts. I’m no sexual prude or conservative—not by a mile. HOWEVER, I also respect my wife’s disgust with porn so I do not view it, regardless of my own interest. That’s called being a man: having principles and respecting women rather than considering them to be worthless, brainless sex objects.

I find it laughable that a bunch of 15-year-old kids who jerk off to cartoons and video game females—people who do not and cannot possibly exist, because they are DRAWINGS!—try to judge me. Really, it would be kind of cute if it weren’t so pathetic and shallow.
Smug
May 10, 2016 at 12:53 am

“who understands the social pressures women face to be physically perfect, and the damage this inflicts on them. ”
HAHAHAHAHA
>oh noes women need to maintain appearances too just as men
>how dare society give them advantages everywhere anyway
Dont worry it will be all over soon once Islam take over Europe/America.

“and women who chase after them don’t respect themselves, anyway, so whatever”
top kek

“That’s called being a man: having principles and respecting women rather
than considering them to be worthless, brainless sex objects.”
That’s actually being called a beta white-knight if you go as far as having feminist thoughts about it and despise Japan for lewd drawings (who are mostly drawn by women mind you), because of your wife.

“Really, it would be kind of cute if it weren’t so pathetic and shallow.”
And what’s happening come from women’s fault in taking advantage of the justice system (thanks to feminists), so any relationship is a potential financial & mental danger for the man who get cucked by his gf/wife (alimony, pregnancy trap, banned paternity tests in certain European countries, etc.)

Better fapping to 2D women than being cucked by real women imo
Djinnenjous
May 10, 2016 at 4:57 am

Well, we’ve identified the idiot in the room. You get to shut up now, kiddo. Your wife-beating, rapist mentality isn’t impressing anyone.
Smug
May 10, 2016 at 6:06 am

said the hypocritical white-knight (feminism in a nutshell) who cant defend and counter any arguments
jdgalt
May 10, 2016 at 12:20 pm

Well, we’ve identified the SJW moron in the room. You get to shut up now, kiddo. Your special snowflake mentality isn’t impressing anyone.
Ubrokemygrill?
May 10, 2016 at 12:51 pm

>social pressures women face to be physically perfect,

Created by women and corporations. Thank feminism for that.

>Men who think women respect alpha, black-sheep males are goddamned toolbags who don’t deserve any better than castration

Women respect men that are confident and don’t back down. Enjoy your “happy marriage.”

>actually supportive of pornography in healthy contexts.

Define healthy context. As far as the law concerned if noone is getting hurt and it’s consentual, it’s healthy. You aren’t the voice of reason.

>That’s called being a man: having principles and respecting women
rather than considering them to be worthless, brainless sex objects.

Tell women to stop treating men as walking wallets. There is a serious divide in the west that’s only increasing. Just look at draconian divorce laws.

>I find it laughable that a bunch of 15-year-old kids who jerk off to
cartoons and video game females—people who do not and cannot possibly
exist, because they are DRAWINGS

And here you are judging people for something they might not even do, and even then, something that doesn’t affect ANYONE.
Ubrokemygrill?
May 10, 2016 at 12:52 pm

How dare people call out women! Only men can be bad people! MISOGYNY!
Djinnenjous
May 10, 2016 at 1:52 pm

Idiot.
Smug
May 10, 2016 at 2:10 pm

>waaah i cant refute any of this so I’ll call him an idiot
Pray that you dont get a divorce from your wife and have to pay for alimony and the kids custody for her :^)
Ubrokemygrill?
May 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm

Nice one word responses from a man bragging about his “education.” Does your wife keep your testicles in a jar or did she have them dried and stuffed for open display?
Jigsy
June 20, 2016 at 9:38 am

Late reply; I personally would rather see games not be released in the West than see them released and censored.
Jigsy
June 20, 2016 at 9:46 am

>I am getting more aware of that being a creepy person and actually enjoying this kind of game is not good for my mental wellbeing.

Stop caring what other people think of you. Problem solved. :>
Victor_Godinez
July 21, 2016 at 10:20 pm

Idea factory should just remove the stupid region lock, and get som translators (subtitles?), then us players can just import the games….

ut then the puritan ‘Muricans will probably have anything that comes overseas checked for for “undecency” and confiscated……
why is this reminding me of “shimoneta”?
Silica
January 12, 2017 at 8:54 pm

Yea idk what the hell is wrong with nintendo still using reigon locking. atleast you can play reigon free with a CFW
Silica
January 12, 2017 at 8:58 pm

Nintendo is run by SJW’s and forien games have stuff that SJW’s dont like

hence the region locking
Silica
January 12, 2017 at 9:00 pm

have the japanese version have an english option and >_< thats smart..
Silica
January 12, 2017 at 9:05 pm

Heres my soultion:
Release the game IN Japan with both english and japanese texts avalible (or even just change this in an update later)
now slap a CERO Rating on it
and call it a day..

watch the imports come in!

Get lots of money for uncensored game..
???
Profit!
John Alexander
January 13, 2017 at 11:32 pm

Wait, seriously? Please tell me that guy was fired.
John Alexander
January 13, 2017 at 11:35 pm

Nintendo of America is run by SJWs, and if something gets changed for America then companies don’t typically bother making a separate version for Europe.
John Alexander
January 14, 2017 at 12:30 am

Wait, do you seriously believe that Japanese games with no nudity would get an AO rating? That’s absurd. Western games have sex scenes that show female nipples and buttocks, but they’re rated M. The Senran Kagura series only had characters’ ages removed. Gal*Gun: Double Peace was uncensored. Conception II: Children of the Seven Stars was uncensored. Monster Monpiece for PC was uncensored. Onechanbara Z2 Chaos was uncensored. None of those games got AO ratings.
Cats736
January 14, 2017 at 4:06 am

The person in question is Ben Bateman, a piece of shit that likes rewriting things he thinks are racist or sexist, and simply because he can. http://web.archive.org/web/20150612204242/http://a.pomf.se/zyvyjv.jpg

The interview: http://www.japanator.com/japanator-exclusive-interview-hakuoki-dotfb-22078.phtml
Dreiko
January 17, 2017 at 4:46 pm

There is no expiration date on evil my friend, sadly.

Here you go:
http://www.japanator.com/japanator-exclusive-interview-hakuoki-dotfb-22078.phtml

The relevant part is about half way in where he talks about Chizuru, the protagonist, you can read the whole thing but here is what you asked for:
”

Now, Chizuru on the other hand…

Chizuru.

I have to admit something: I’ve probably changed
Chizuru quite a bit. Not what she does, obviously, or even necessarily
what she says, but what she thinks is somewhat different. Chizuru was difficult to write because she was frequently doing one—or all!—of the following things:

1. Being less than clever

2. Responding to everything with insane, noodley-arm-waving terror

3. Unwittingly describing her romantic encounters as if they were some kind of assault

4. Repeating every. Single. Thing.

Some of these (especially 3 and 4) are just because
of how Japanese works, how things translate, and how the Japanese talk
about love and romance. For instance, I’m quite sure that the authors
didn’t intend for her to make a kiss sound like she was being attacked,
but when you translate it that’s how it sounds, for both cultural and
semantic reasons.

The others are… I don’t know, to be honest. But she wasn’t a sympathetic character. She wasn’t even really a likable character, unless you like wide-eyed doormats. Clearly something had to be done.

I didn’t want to change her too much, because that goes against the whole point of my job (plus it is a lot of
work), and obviously she still had to do everything she does in the
game. What I eventually resolved to do was try to cast her actions in a
slightly different light by modifying how she perceived and interpreted
them in her internal monologue (which is what narrates the story). Now,
instead of thinking the equivalent of “Oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh”
whenever something remotely exciting and confusing happens, she is more
likely to comment on it with something approaching dry humor. She
doesn’t repeat to herself (or out loud) everything everyone says. She
raises intelligent questions about what’s going on and what it means,
even if they’re sometimes only to herself. I also tried to tweak the
tone of the monologue slightly, so that it sounds slightly more adult
and educated, as if she’s retelling the story of her younger years to a
friend or a child some time later.

Whether this will pay off or I’ll be hung for blasphemy remains to be seen, but it’s done now so I might as well fess up to it. ”

And here it is in all its glory, any despair you now feel is your own doing, apologies.
No Access (Starlight)
June 29, 2017 at 1:15 am

Give me lolis in bikinis, or give me death.
What a way to think, you guys. Most censoring is just making bikinis less revealing on 13 year olds. And you’d rather have no game at all than lose that. I guess it shows why you bought it. I remember a time when I played games that weren’t allowed to show anything halfway explicit on little girls. Heck the graphics power wasn’t even ABLE to. Are you going to say those games weren’t good? Come on.
You’re all fighting over costumes and swear words. Don’t you have anything better to do? It’s ironically the same as the SJWs who fight pointless battles (“OMG I would never buy a game like this!” Well yeah. We never assumed you WOULD want to buy a Senran Kagura game)
Skimpy costumes are a bonus, not the substance of a game. As much as I like them, they’re not the deciding factor. What else is there to censor? SJWs don’t seem to yell and scream about lesbian schoolgirls for some reason. I wonder why…