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How #GamerGate Gained My Sympathy

This is an editorial piece provided to Niche Gamer under guarantee of anonymity. The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of, and should not be attributed to, Niche Gamer as an organization.

I was there, viewing from the periphery as #GamerGate began to take on a life of its own. Regardless of how one feels about it, there was a certain populist and anarchic beauty to this growing phenomenon. But, as a social critic and skeptic on basically all things ideological, political, and religious, I was deeply distrusting of what was being said. I sought first to confirm my suspicions that #GamerGate was out of its goddamn mind; first world problems run rampant, something to that effect.

While doing my research, I also witnessed #NotYourShield come into its own. Initially I felt that was emotionally manipulative, invoking revolution type visions that seemed absurd given the fact that we were talking about video games. I read many of the “gamers are dead” articles. I watched Anita’s latest Tropes critique.

I agreed with some of it, but started noticing that all too familiar Salon/Jezebel tactic of grievance fishing. But, there were salient points regarding how women are portrayed in games and regarding harassment on the internet. It would seem more appropriate to address this as a larger societal issue, but I was willing to concede somewhat that these problems are amplified in our various artistic mediums. There is nothing inherently wrong with suggesting we could improve on that.

In many ways I consider myself a feminist and a progressive, and while my initial feel on #GamerGate was one of criticism, I began sensing a creeping dissonance. This uncertainty started to grow as the weeks passed. Briefly, I want to share my general mindset and approach to knowledge and criticism. Politically I’m an agnostic and more sympathetic to anarchism — a person that is deeply suspicious of the corporate state.

I am not a conspiracy theorist or a truther. I left my religion at a post adulthood age, I had to admit I was wrong about my addiction and go to rehab…2 times. I have essentially been on a fumbling, stumbling journey down a rabbit hole in search of truth and meaning. These suspicions I have of ideologies and systems come from the fact that I myself have been fucked by them, led astray, deceived and, as some might suggest, traumatized.

I’ve also in this process learned that there is a better word for trauma, less defined by my victimhood (which we are all victims to some degree) and more appropriately described as “LIFE”. We can be empowered by our stories, or we can use them as a means for division and disdain.

What I initially saw #GamerGate being was a hijacking of misunderstood peoples frustration to serve nefarious ends. I started to believe it was cooked up shadily in 4chan forums, driven by some woman hating reddit rage. I thought a lot of well meaning people were being completely fooled into doing the dirty work of MRAs and anti-feminists under a false flag of “journalistic ethics”.

Basically, I bought the mainstream narrative hook, line, and sinker.  But STILL something didn’t feel right. I engaged the debate, I concern trolled #GamerGate. And to my relative surprise, most of these people were reasonable, they made good points. They were exposing some legitimately shifty stuff.

Over the last year, I’ve been reexamining the debate concerning human rights issues. The appalling and troubling real life oppression in the world, I started noticing, was being exploited as a means for drumming up clicks on sites like Salon, Jezebel, et al. Either my perception changed or the tactics became more commonly used for their effectiveness by the likes of Gawker, Vox, PolicyMic (now just Mic), and many others.

Even a concern troll of the concern trolls, The Daily Banter, started sounding like all the people they thought they were calling bullshit on. What the hell was going on? The internet seemed to be breaking. Then came the weird and fascinating, almost inexplicable “consumer movement” that is #GamerGate.

Before detailing further how I swallowed my pride on this and admitted that I was just being a coward about choosing a position, I will say that these are now my conclusions. #GamerGate is not a consumer driven hate mob that only capitalism could create…quite the contrary. While trolls exist on both sides, I fear the media narrative that has been built to fight #GamerGate is a carefully calculated message of supposed righteous intent that only the capitulating, self congratulatory, deferential, sensationalist corporate media could create.

They’ve cooked up a dragon to slay, and slowly it appears the facade of this convenient narrative is crumbling. Feminists and liberals, when it comes to #GamerGate and empty hashtag blogging activism, are in fact the ones who have had their good intentions hijacked. They’ve allowed the single minded and opportunistic narcissists within their movements to drive the conversation.

SJW’s are often portrayed as the public enemy #1 of GG. While I don’t necessarily think they are the BIG BOSS problem, they are #GamerGates most vociferous opponent, and they’ve been wildly effective at pulling the wool over the eyes of many well meaning liberal folk. I really dislike this name “SJW” because there is very little justice done and very little in the way of journalistic integrity within their insular blogosphere.

The liberal elite have somehow construed it in their minds that these quasi-activists are worth supporting, despite their tactics becoming more and more extreme, divisive, and dishonest. I will only call them SJW’s because people know who I’m talking about when I say it. Let it be known, however, that I do not see SJWism as synonymous with feminism and my open criticism of their movement has nothing to do with gender or race. I support gender equality, I denounce harassment.

SJW’s, and the media that supports them, have become the speculators and bankers of moralistic capital on the internet…and their bubble is starting to burst. They received back pats, congratulations and clicks (profit) when nothing of value was actually offered. They peddled in assets of self righteous indignation that when more closely analyzed for intellectual and ethical merit are noticeably lacking.

Where bankers railed against regulation and limits to their power, this guilt cult fished for grievances and lobbied the liberal academic elite so that they could lie and cook up moral outrage while remaining beyond reproach. #GamerGate is now where this can be seen for the naked harsh truth that it is.

It’s not a chosen movement, it’s essentially random that it happened this way. But the toothpaste is out of the tube and I think it is worthwhile to swallow one’s pride and ride the wave. #GamerGate may not seem like the cause that your casual internet goer wants to take up, but its got the traction, and even more important, has important and inconvenient truths on its side.

For some time, SJW’s invented a caricature of who their enemy was and divided society by vague lines that defined people by how traumatized they were or how guilty they should feel for their “privilege”. This is not much different from the religious concept of original sin and the war of good vs evil.

One’s trauma, in their religious like congregations, is like having access to the holy rites of priesthood. Many of us who were taken up in the ‘righteous cause’ signed on the metaphorical dotted line with our clicks and comments of support. We wanted to see progress, they required that we lend our hearts and good intentions to them.

And just as bankers were not completely aware of the nefarious and destructive nature of their practices, so too are these pseudo-academic quasi-activist do gooders unaware that they themselves have been duped. It was the result of a misplaced commitment to ideology. There was a time that capitalism was synonymous with being patriotic and democratic.

So to SJWism was thought to be synonymous with subverting the patriarchy and power structures. But the truth about those who unquestionably believe: ideologues always trumpet a contrived righteous cause and are blind to their insular nature and disingenuous relationship with facts and objective reasoning.

SJW’s might not take well to this sort of harsh language. I could easily get nastier and say that SJWism is misguided, bored, white girl rage and the white knights who want to get in their pants, projecting their feelings of guilt onto everyone else. But my name isn’t Leigh Alexander and painting a caricature of a movement is convenient but dishonest.

Harassment on the web is a real thing, gender equality is a noble cause, minorities need advocates and social justice should be fought for in the sense that we should all be speaking up loudly about how important it is that everyone is respected for their basic humanity. Having equal opportunities to live stable and fulfilling lives is something that I want people to have access to.

But somewhere in this process, the cultural sentiment has gone from passion to disdain, the dialogue is growing more and more toxic. And admitting that, calling it out, almost immediately gets you labeled an enemy to progress. In my case, if ever I disagree with some feminist rhetoric, I almost always get told to check my privilege.

For me, there are feminists and then there are feminists and their friends who mistakenly believe that #GamerGate is a hate campaign driven by misogyny. #GamerGate often gets ad hom’ed as Neo-Nazis, terrorists, crying white manbaby virigins — the hyperbole knows no bounds. This narrative is patently absurd.

This narrative will only serve to result in GamerGaters digging in, and why wouldn’t they when being so shamelessly misrepresnted. Also, if there is one group who will disown you and deride you for not buying into their party platform, it’s internet SJW’s. #GamerGate, on the other hand, has shown an impressive capacity for understanding and inclusivity.

They engaged me reasonably even at my most critical moments. @codeGrit (a friend I’ve gained in this process) and I have butted heads as well as come to an understanding about how complicated these issues truly are. He’s bright, fiery, and knows that people will say and do dumb things, himself included. Which speaks to one of the most telling characteristics that separates anti-GG from pro-GG; one group has a capacity for self reflection and self awareness of its flaws, the other has its dogma and is strikingly incapable of conceding any point.

While engaging this debate for the past 2 months, a handful of things have become clear:

  1. The Us vs. Them element to it is a massive disservice to some of the real and important questions that have been raised and the obvious hypocrisies that have been exposed. I don’t need to take up a side to know that there is some shit that stinks.
  2. #GamerGate is diverse, they are not children, and they do not need to be spoken down to. Honestly, it doesn’t take long to see who behaves more childishly in these exchanges. I’ve been insulted a number of times, and I’ve only been blocked by one party for basically doing nothing but having a conversation. In fact, the nicer you are, often the more angry they become…it’s bizarre.
  3. The anti-GG contingent of the internet tech media is going to RUE the day that they decided to just continually make shit up and openly display their disdain for a good portion of the demographic who would potentially read their content.
  4. Feminists can support or at least sympathize w/ #GamerGate without feeling like they’ve betrayed their cause. Again, I am a supporter of gender equality. I think the patriarchy is a real thing, (better described as a classist hierarchy) I just don’t see the world through a lens that contorts everything into being how people are a victim of it. The world is a complicated place, should I check my privilege? First and foremost, let’s check our bias.
  5. #GamerGate is a microcosm of a larger tension that is brewing on the internet between the diverse consumer base online and the internet media that has basically taken up the mantle of assuming they think for and are the acting conscience of all these people. They are shameless sycophants, unrepentant click-baity sensationalists, they fixate on micro and pseudo events which become a form of distraction from the REAL social problems in the world. These people are sowing discord and discontent and people have taken to it. We hate read these sites, we loathe and are fascinated by how wrong and self impressed they are, but we keep on READING! This media muckraking and outrage pornography can no longer be accepted, if it takes #GamerGate for people to really see how distracted we’ve been by their facile self righteousness…so be it. Most of the real cultural and societal revolutions are messy and on accident anyway. It’s never clean, and it’s certainly not cooked up in a Tumblr echo chamber.

Some things about myself:

  • I’m a white man, but that shouldn’t fucking matter.
  • I’m an atheist
  • I’m an addict
  • I’m wrong, frequently
  • I’m a critic
  • I’m in a happy and egalitarian relationship

In essence, I’m a real and complicated person and everyone else on the other side of these conversations are real people; not children, not idiots. And we are all subject to post hoc reasoning and a wicked proclivity for confirmation bias. The more I engaged this debate, the more I was falling victim to these fallacies so that I could maintain my criticisms of #GamerGate

But I don’t know that I matter all that much. I just wanted to express my thoughts about how wrong I was, how motivated my reasoning could be. How I met some pretty swell people that supported #GamerGate. And how bothered I was that the tech media continued spewing half truths and blatant lies about what GG’s concerns and motives are.

I can’t even properly define #GamerGate anymore, but chances are it’s not what anyone thought it was. Chances are, it might never receive any thanks for starting an important discussion. Chances are, someone during this discussion is going to do something stupid, as someone in every group from any corner of the internet is bound to do.

Follow the facts, and don’t continue to allow the guilt cult of political correctness to poison this conversation, or any conversation, going forward. And, always remember, you will be proven wrong about something in the future, that’s guaranteed, and it’s not weak to admit it or to simply say “I don’t know”. Respect, not hatred, when sharing ideas and coming to an understanding.

“Do not raise your arm against them. They are innumerable and it is not your fate to be a fly swatter.”

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95 comments
  1. Ben (Broken)
    Ben (Broken)
    October 12, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    I’m glad you beat your addiction, mate. I have no experience of it myself but I’ve seen certain friends suffer through it.

    Also,thanks for giving #GamerGate a chance by digging a lil deeper!

  2. Landale
    Landale
    October 12, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    There is nothing that pleases me more than to see that people can actually admit that they’ve been wrong and work to correct and improve themselves.
    Thank you for giving a little bit more hope that this isn’t a lost cause, for making today a little bit better.

  3. BasedWolf
    BasedWolf
    October 12, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    Great read sir

  4. Andrew 'Wolfie' Woolford
    Andrew 'Wolfie' Woolford
    October 12, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    Major respect for being able to look at your view, question it and engage. Regardless of views, that is the most important things society, and especially the current gaming climate needs.

  5. No Excuses VTW
    No Excuses VTW
    October 12, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    I enjoyed reading this very much. It’s nice to know that there are some people out there who, even when previously informed by the popular media narrative, are willing to entertain the idea that a story has at least two sides, and will do the due diligence of investigating before bringing down the gavel of judgement.

    There are bad eggs capitalising on the social media mobility of the #GamerGate tag for their own malicious ends and to propagate vile opinions, but the largest portion of the gamer community is utterly committed to calling them out and condemning them unreservedly.

    Gamer culture has survived years of ostracism and censure from all manner of sources; the dismissal of the self-proclaimed intelligentsia who have long since disconnected with their true roots as enthusiastic gamers in the inclusive communities we have been participating in all along is not any more likely to put us down than anyone else that has tried.

  6. Cy
    Cy
    October 12, 2014 at 11:49 pm

    I have a feeling that me and the author would completely disagree on most political issues, but I have nothing but respect for him being able to look past his own bias and actually allow his mind to be changed. That’s not something most people, myself definitely included, can always do. And it’s something that should be praised. Good for you, dude.

  7. Nephanor
    Nephanor
    October 12, 2014 at 11:51 pm

    I would like to add something for you to think about. You mentioned that only in passing, about MRAs and anti-feminists. There was an insinuation that they were against gender equality, even if not said. You’ve heard the damaging lies told about gamers from these social “justice” types. Don’t many of these insults flung sound a lot like the ones told about MRAs and anti-feminists? Honestly, sit down one day, watch the video by Karen Straughan about male disposability. If it resonates something in you, keep watching her videos. You might begin to realize that there is something much worse behind all of this.

  8. Cuckabee
    Cuckabee
    October 12, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    This was a really good read, and not just because we agree. It’s rare that anyone steeped in any kind of ideology can freely admit when someone has changed their mind. You’re right that the Us vs. Them mentality is doing no one any favors. It’s easy to troll, not so easy to engage.

  9. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 13, 2014 at 12:11 am

    I’ve always felt that any smart rational person who gets involved and does their homework will always recognize the agendas and slant towards gamergate’s side.

  10. Kiltmanenator
    Kiltmanenator
    October 13, 2014 at 12:28 am

    Thanks for stopping by, and congratulations on beating that addiction. That’s way more important than any of this fracas. It was nice to hear.

    Stay strong!

  11. Teutates
    Teutates
    October 13, 2014 at 12:44 am

    thank you for this editorial :) i personally prefer people that desided by doing their research ;)
    And yes games have problems and should be addressed. I hear nobody claim that.. but this time they are the bigger problem. Their solution isn’t something a lover of the art would want.

  12. Terry Ferguson
    Terry Ferguson
    October 13, 2014 at 12:44 am

    Thank you for taking the time to look into #GamerGate and give it your thoughtful consideration before ultimately coming to your conclusions about it. As a supporter of #GamerGate, I appreciate it, and it is this sort of willingness to research and weigh evidence and experiences appropriately that keeps me coming here. :-)

  13. Stephen J. Weir
    Stephen J. Weir
    October 13, 2014 at 1:38 am

    i’m an addict too, and i totally sympathize. i am also an egalitarian, and believe strongly in a lot of the things you do, but i am strongly pro gamergate. i’ve seen some horrible racism and sexism from SJWs and it sickens me as an actually socially progressive person; the hypocrisies, the nepotism, the lack of transparency, the censorship, the collusion, and, yes, some misogyny, are the real problems at hand, and it’s taking the work of varied, worthy, multicultural people to change things. there are bad apples on both sides, of course, but for my money, the more rational and open-minded people are the ones on the pro side.

  14. Grey
    Grey
    October 13, 2014 at 1:57 am

    This is the third person I’ve seen today who I’d horribly disagree with on nearly every political question, but could likely be good friends with regardless. It’s a good feeling.

  15. MattiusLang
    MattiusLang
    October 13, 2014 at 2:20 am

    I think it says a lot about Team SJW that you had to hedge so many times in order to avoid their wrath. If they held themselves to anywhere near the moral standards they claim that would not be necessary.

    But as noted below, I too noticed the subtle slam at MRA’s and Anti-Feminists. Seemed a little out of place in an article whose central theme seems to be ‘There are trolls on both sides, and once ignored the trolls and listened to more reasonable voices, I came to a new understanding’… but it’s perfectly fine to judge /that/ group over there because euuu.

    Depending on whose numbers you use, 4-6% of people feel no empathy for their fellow man, no matter what group you are speaking of, so to judge any group, be they Liberal or Conservative, Feminist or MRA, Jihadi or Atheist, by the extremes is equally unfair. It is however appropriate to judge how those groups treat the extremes with in their own group, and it seems to me that Team SJW is far more inclusive of extreme voices than Team GG.

    P.S.- Not to be snarky but WTH is “Concern trolling?” Isn’t that just called honest discussion and exploring unfamiliar POV’s?

  16. codeGrit
    codeGrit
    October 13, 2014 at 2:30 am

    I do not speak for the author. With that said…

    I think you and the poster below are taking his words about MRA incorrectly. If I had to guess (knowing the author), what he meant is he was starting to believe the MRA narrative being fed to him.

    I don’t think it was intended as anything more than that.

  17. MattiusLang
    MattiusLang
    October 13, 2014 at 2:43 am

    Cool beans, just a little hyper-sensitive I guess. It’s a fine line to walk agreeing with a few of their (MRA) points and feeling like I spend most of my time hedging because of that very narrative if one dares to suggest something some famous (and thus much maligned) MRA said has any validity.

  18. Juhata
    Juhata
    October 13, 2014 at 3:41 am

    Thank you very much for the article. I always find it intriguing to see the many facets of GamerGate; it is not what many of these SJWs, for a lack of another term, say that it is: a hivemind of misogynist white men up in arms about progressive people ruining them vidya for them and harrassing the crap out of women and anyone who dares to stand in their way. In my own experience and judging by what I have seen, almost everyone at GamerGate have different goals, but they all agree on one thing: they are tired of this shit.

    Personally, I am not very informed about the gaming journalism part of GamerGate. I have not been as involved in the gaming industry as long as I’m sure that many people involved in this mess are, but what I am certain of is that the people that ofttimes tend to demonize GamerGate are full of themselves. That is not to say that goes for ALL of them, no, but what I have seen goes for many people on twitter who repeat the same old recording over and over and over again. If you don’t agree with their views as they expect you to, you are very likely to be accused of many things, and if you support GamerGate, no matter how innocent you are, you WILL get labeled a woman-hating, rape-threat sending piece of shit. If you dare to call people out on their bullshit, you get blocked after a smug attempt of self-satisfaction from those people telling off those stupid white misogynists that support the patriarchy. I’ve seen many people being shamed, insulted, silenced and generally all sorts of things, for merely attempting to hold a conversation with them. For progressive people, that does not sound progressive to me. It is even worse when you think that this is mostly perpetrated by people considered ‘professionals’ in the video game industry; it becomes even more deplorable when you think that, for anything that these faux-professionals have said from the moment GamerGate started, if this had been said by any other company outside this industry, those people would have been fired almost immediately, a public apology would have been issued, and that would have been that. Instead, people encourage these professionals and their goons in doing what they have been doing, insulting their own consumer base and claiming the higher moral ground in the process.

    GamerGate is not perfect, as you said, but what allures me to follow it is that the people behind GamerGate accept that they are not perfect, that they are not necessarily correct, and that they publicly acknowledge that there are loonies and trolls amongst their midst. They talk amongst themselves and come up with new ways to make their voice be heard. They don’t stop despite being falsely labelled as monsters or worse, even when it’s done by big name publications. They self-police themselves in order to stop the most problematic people from committing dumb mistakes that may undermine their own revolt. Whenever people try to bring up things like making sockpuppet accounts and doxxing, people tell them to cut it out. They have a purpose and they stick to it without any underhanded tactics. That is what draws me to it. SJWs demonize GamerGate, but in the process they give themselves the image that they accuse GamerGate of, and the worst part is that they don’t see it and keep going like nothing happened, like they are completely in the right. If you do not agree with their views, then you are not with them and against them, and you know what happens afterwards. I’ve seen many people involved in the industry, developers included, that are afraid of these people and their influence, mostly because if you’re accused of being a misogynist, odds are that whomever is employing you will cave in to moral and public pressure and tell you to go pack your things. Who wouldn’t be afraid of these people, after all the display they have shown in the last few months?

    This is why I think that GamerGate is very necessary, and this is why I think the people behind it will not go away until they see that their goals have been met. Not specifically because of the corruption that may gaming journalism (which is a really good point to consider anyway, given that gaming journalism controls a good part of gaming media), but because it must make people open their eyes to this issue and to not fall for petty ‘progressive’ lies. I don’t condone harrassment, sexism and gender inequality for men and women in the industry; I’m pretty sure almost everyone, in both sides, agrees with this. It’s a stupid thing and it shouldn’t be justified by anyone, but this issue goes beyond this.

  19. Daniel
    Daniel
    October 13, 2014 at 4:38 am

    This is a great article, thank you for taking the time to write it.

  20. Erik Wedin
    Erik Wedin
    October 13, 2014 at 5:00 am

    Thanks for writing this. Very important points that needed to be made.

  21. Linda M
    Linda M
    October 13, 2014 at 5:32 am

    The problem with “anti-feminism” is that Feminism today means two very different things:

    1) Self-labeled “feminist” organizations, politicians, academics, and others who use it to push a female chauvinist agenda that denies reality.

    2) A group of people who identify with the cause of gender equality

    I have nothing against #2. Except they have nothing to do with #1, who are doing practically all the actual “feminism” out there.

  22. epy
    epy
    October 13, 2014 at 5:59 am

    I’m glad that, as this goes on, more people are beginning to question things, research and form their very own opinions, whatever they may be.

    Thank you for this piece.

  23. Thomas Fährmann
    Thomas Fährmann
    October 13, 2014 at 7:13 am

    a very personal insight into your thoughts and how a biased oppinion can change once you try to look over the border;) What i have noticed that I went from moderate pro-gamergate at the beginning to some sort of a radical (which means I follow it very close and be an ACTIVE person to defend my PASSION). And for me it´s easy to explain. First we (random people who care about games) found out something is terribly wrong with that new type of indy scene that celebrates only each other. Zoe Quinn and all that what followed was just disgusting for me because legit critic was simply labeled as myso-jiney and WE gamers have no right to question the very questionable stuff going on behind closed doors. So I felt personaly attacked once they pumped out insult after insult like mad children not realizing we are gamers aka consumers and just people with a passion. I stay pro-gamergate and yes i´m 101 % behind it and I´m biased against these media and outsiders because they dont do anything healthy for gaming in general. I love games and like the culture because gaming culture is diverse! You have all these communities around any kind of game and people are creative with them and share ideas and help and then these people come in and insult literaly everything that is so magical about gaming culture. I dont know how long all these outsiders play or use games as a base for their own creativity but i have my doubts. Gaming is more diverse then anything else!

  24. Topgeartony
    Topgeartony
    October 13, 2014 at 7:23 am

    I’m not going to say how I want everyone to see it from this guy’s perspective or be turn like he was. But at least engage with gamergate. At the very least.

  25. Dean Esmay
    Dean Esmay
    October 13, 2014 at 8:06 am

    I was reluctant to say anything since GamerGate already gets enough shit that isn’t true (like they’re run by MRAs which is crap, although some of us are part of it) but since you broached the topic–the narrative against MRAs is pretty much identical to the anti-GamerGate narrative. I mean right down the line, with no exceptions I can find.

    And it’s got as much truth to it.

    I think Social Justice advocates in general and feminists in specific need to come to accept that it is acceptable for their ideology and beliefs to be questioned, challenged, even rejected by decent, thoughtful, caring people who’ve taken the time to research things thoroughly and found the ideology wanting.

    There is also a need–and every movement has this–to differentiate between righteous, justified anger and simple abusive rage.

    Laurie A. Couture has an amazing video she’s recently done on this subject that I would suggest the author of this piece watch. http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-media-censorship-puts-public-safety-at-risk-by-laurie-a-couture/

  26. Dean Esmay
    Dean Esmay
    October 13, 2014 at 8:08 am

    As a recovering addict myself (boozehound) I’m glad you are in recovery and open to telling others of your experiences. Those of us who’ve gone through the recovery process are almost invariably made stronger I think, because we’re forced to look at how wrong we were, and wrongs we did. People foolishly mistake this for weakness, when it’s the opposite: “I was wrong” are some of the most empowering words you can ever utter.

  27. Nakki Nyan
    Nakki Nyan
    October 13, 2014 at 8:46 am

    If SJWs learn nothing else, it will be “don’t fuck with gamers”, they don’t give up. Why they went after gamers I have no clue. Gamers know how to lose, learn, and try again over and over until the game is won; we will use the same tactic in real life : don’t give up, don’t give ground when you are right and give it up when you find out you are wrong, you only lose when you quit trying.

    SJWs mentality is completely different, probably because hey have never lost before. It is pretty obvious when you see them using not just the same tactics but the same wording and insults that they did 2 months ago when this all started. Their tactic : scream the same buzzwords until you wear the opposition down.

  28. Kyle W
    Kyle W
    October 13, 2014 at 9:36 am

    The interesting thing about so many who hate Gamergate and accuse us of being ‘against feminism’ ignore the fact that we appreciate the truth Christina Hoff Sommers brought to the game-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MxqSwzFy5w

    The vast majority of the pro-GG side has no problem with feminism, *honestly* portrayed. What we are against is a PostmodernistRelativistCultural Marxist Ideology wearing a thin veil of ‘feminism’. We are against an Ideology that thinks Rationality is a ‘Weapon of the Patriarchy’ and puts *emotions* as the final arbiter of reality. Just because you feel something, doesn’t make it true.

  29. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    October 13, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Gamergate isn’t about feminism, equality, or genderwars. That’s what they want you to think.

    Gamergate is about making sure our art doesn’t have to change and artists are not attacked due to their art being labeled “controversial”.

    Anything people add to that, such as the gender stuff, is just a red herring.

  30. Thomas Fährmann
    Thomas Fährmann
    October 13, 2014 at 10:38 am

    confirmed!
    Gaming wasnt and will not be about their mental problems trying to throw at everyone. I DONT care about these things at all!

  31. codeGrit
    codeGrit
    October 13, 2014 at 11:17 am

    I don’t disagree with you, per say. For most people, GamerGate isn’t about any of these things. However, I agree with the author fully that GamerGate is a look into a larger culture war that’s happening on the internet right now.

    I also agree that GamerGate will, in some ways, be the catalyst that brings the issue into more mainstream media. The problem is, of course, getting the mainstream media to report on the issues without spinning their narratives.

  32. Mr.Reasonable
    Mr.Reasonable
    October 13, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Sorry, but no. I have given #gamergate a try. Hell, I gave them multiple tries. You can give them a try right now:
    1.) go to 8chan’s /gg/ board, the home territory of the movement.
    2.) pick a random thread. Literally any thread, at random.
    3.) now, read the thread, in its entirety. If you fail to see the words “faggot” or “cunt,” I will personally give you a goddamn dollar. Watch to see how long it takes for the thread to dissolve into (a) whining about how the mean-ol “SJW”s are controlling everything (b) incoherent frothing focus on some woman or other that has nothing to do with her ideas and everything to do with violence being the only way to curb uppity women (c) a demand that all political voice be shouted down in video games and media…except, of course, for the, you know, completely unpolitical demand that liberals sit down, shut up, and take it like a man (d) all of the above.

    This “movement” is crap. It’s pure crap. It’s unadulterated, grade-A, without redeeming feature or excuse, crap.

  33. E-Bon
    E-Bon
    October 13, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    Thanks for taking the time out to write this.

  34. Mr.Reasonable
    Mr.Reasonable
    October 13, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Nope. I’m nobody. No twitter account, no youtube channel, no big internet presence at all. The closest I ever came to being a games journalist was a subscription to GI they gave me with my Gamestop membership, and the closest I ever got to being a game designer was a text adventure I did in BASIC on my dad’s TRS-80 in about 1979.
    But I’m a gamer, and have been for longer than most self-styled GamerGaters have been alive. I should have been a supporter. But you guys are way too poisonous. You whine about “journalistic ethics” then arrange boycotts to use economic pressure to force your political ideology, and when that doesn’t work, the rape threats come out.
    And no, don’t try the BS “they can’t prove it was us” deflection. Again, I went into 8chan’s forums. I watched it. It’s happening there, right now.
    This “movement” is about nothing but hate.

  35. Mr.Reasonable
    Mr.Reasonable
    October 13, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Tried. I went into 8chan’s boards, introduced myself as a neutral, and got, I think, four posts in before someone called me a spineless faggot. When the posters there started talking about how I couldn’t be a real neutral, and must be a shill, and started asking the board admin if it was possible to get my IP address, I left. I have a family. Fuck you and your “movement.”

  36. Topgeartony
    Topgeartony
    October 13, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Dude it’s fucking 8 chan. What would you expect? We call pro gg people names there too.

  37. Mr.Reasonable
    Mr.Reasonable
    October 13, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    I have never been to 8chan. I won’t be returning. I’m pointing out to you why your “movement” is failing to win converts. Your opinion boils down to “you should expect abuse.”

    Then you wonder why people won’t “engage” with GamerGate.

  38. UrbanScorp
    UrbanScorp
    October 13, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Okay, which is it? Did you or didn’t you. Can’t have it both ways.

  39. Mr.Reasonable
    Mr.Reasonable
    October 13, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    I meant I had never been to 8chan before this. I had no call to. And I won’t be returning, based on it being what even GG’s supporters admit is a toxic hellhole of abuse.

  40. Topgeartony
    Topgeartony
    October 13, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    No. 8chan if full of people from 4chan. You should expect abuse on that site no matter what. Try twitter, you’ll get much more like minded responses.

    I promise. Give us the time of the day, and we’ll give you the time of the day.

  41. Mr.Reasonable
    Mr.Reasonable
    October 13, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    “Like minded?” You mean similar to the craphouse that was 8chan? No thanks. And no, I don’t want a twitter account. I have no reason to broadcast my every thought to the world, nor interest in only as much information as can be compressed into 140 characters.

  42. bf313
    bf313
    October 13, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Of course large movements have bad people present in them, in the same way that the one woman working for Gamasutra is a dirty racist. Why are boycotts against game news outlets wrong considering that have blatantly attacked their readers, the people that support them and put money in their wallets. Why is that suddenly not appropriate as a means of protest? The other side does it frequently and attempts to bash and beat down those that buy and create games that they don’t like. All while calling people pedofiles, terrorists, and a whole slew of other names. You’re implying that the other side of the argument isn’t horribly biased and are completely clean. I love the rape threat straw man argument too, implying that there aren’t anti gamergate people saying that people should die or shouldn’t exist.

  43. Topgeartony
    Topgeartony
    October 13, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Then I’m sorry you feel that way. But if your basing the community off of what 8chan has showed you. Then every community must be horrible.

  44. Mr.Reasonable
    Mr.Reasonable
    October 13, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    No, you’re not actually looking. I’m not saying “GamerGate has had some bad stuff, and that represents all of them.” I’m pointing out that Gamergate has had NOTHING but bad stuff. We don’t even have to talk about doxxing or rape threats.
    It’s sole effect on “journalistic ethics” has been to promote outright liars like Milo Yiannwhateverthehell. It’s attempt to ‘celebrate diversity’ with the notyourshield business just used women AS a shield! And the craptastic lie about ‘getting politics out of games’ has actually played out, every time, as ‘get your LEFT WING LIBERAL politics out of games,’ which is to say, leave the space only available to right-wing politics. Which is putting politics INTO games.
    It’s just self-contradictory BS.

  45. Thomas Fährmann
    Thomas Fährmann
    October 13, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    you have some problems dude! Seriously go read an interesting book or do some Yoga but please dont try to reflect your own problems into other peoples mind or dismiss other peoples honest intentions! thanks!

  46. bf313
    bf313
    October 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Implying that I shouldn’t expect abuse and talking down from commenting on an article posted by a website like Polygon.

  47. Mr.Reasonable
    Mr.Reasonable
    October 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    I am basing it also off people like you, right here, right now, attempting to blame me for somehow not anticipating abuse, and pointing out how you guys smack each other around as though that somehow legitimized it.

  48. RandomDev
    RandomDev
    October 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Really great read, maybe a little long but well worth it. Thanks for writing it :)

  49. DudeThink
    DudeThink
    October 13, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    Your proving the point of the article. You only see this one way. You speaking in absolutist terms. Your blinded by your own sense of self righteousness.

  50. DudeThink
    DudeThink
    October 13, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Leave it to someone anti-GG to come and turn this comment thread negative. Whadya know, article point proven.

  51. Edohiguma
    Edohiguma
    October 13, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    “GamerGate” (the name itself is a joke, this is nothing like Watergate, not even remotely, it’s just more dumb hype) is nothing but a bunch of crying children. On both sides.

    Out there, in reality, the media lies every single day. And those lies deal with actual problems and issues. Out there, in reality, normal people deal with this every day.

    Why did “gamers” (what the heck is that anyway) think that it would be any different in their pseudo-journalism?

    Seriously. Were all “gamers” that naive or just utterly dumb? It’s either, or. Or maybe both? Who knows. Heck, who cares. It’s just “gamers”, people who think that consuming a form of mass produced mainstream entertainment makes them special somehow, a concept that can only be described as crazy. Besides, so you play video games. Great. You also breath air. Maybe you can call yourself a “breather” as well, to feel extra special?

    None of this is important. None of it. This hype of small or even non-issues into something big is a typical sign for how the “gamer culture” is really just full of lunatics. And this hype always gets pushed by “internet celebrities”. First, there was SOPA (at the same time some western governments were discussing outright restricting internet access, something everybody ignored.) Then came “net neutrality”, of which some “e-celebrities” (like the loud talking pommie Totalbiscuit) say that it is the “biggest civil rights issue of our times”, while, at the same time, countries in the so called “free” world are openly cracking down on free speech (but forget that, something online is more important.) And now this. More hype, nothing else.

    It’s utterly ridiculous.

    Now go back to crying over it. The real world is dealing with real problems that are much, MUCH bigger than this trivial BS.

    Sometimes I wish that these real problems would catch up with all the whiny gamers, but I guess wishing a 9/11 event or a little “cultural enrichment” from ISIS on them isn’t very civilized.

    PS: “GamerGate” is an American problem. Keep your stinking cultural imperialism. Yankee go home!

  52. bf313
    bf313
    October 13, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Wow well it’s pretty clear that you completely are misunderstanding everything that is going on here and don’t want to debate or talk productively. So one or two loud people on Twitter shouting about “rape” on the internet suddenly invalidates an entire idea. I love it how you think that notyourshild is using people when it’s allowing those that the opposition use to actually have a voice. Funny how quickly they look to invalidate it to because minorities aren’t allowed to have opinions other than what they say they can think.

    The best part of what you just stated which pretty much proves you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about is that you seriously think someone is trying to push right wing politics. Are you out of your mind? Have you followed the type of things that SJW types lash out against? I have no doubt that your typical right wing congressman would agree with the average anti gamergater as the right has typically been very anti games.

  53. DudeThink
    DudeThink
    October 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Rant over..feeling superior yet?

  54. Lord Zeon
    Lord Zeon
    October 13, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    I’ll bite. Not for you, but for the readers reading, as your mind is set, but a debate is for the audience, not the person sitting opposite to you.

    First, Gamer Gate is anarcho-liberal according to the political compass reviews. There’s a solid trend there. http://www.viewdocsonline.com/document/q218we

    Second, NotYourShield is not YOUR shield. These people didn’t stand up, let themselves be doxxed, harassed, threatened with rape and murder by the AntiGG sycophants, so that you can dismiss them out of hand. I don’t care if you hate black people and women, but I care about them as people, and acknowledge them as people. I ask even the most fervent antiGG crowd to do the same. Say they’re wrong, attack the points they make, but do not objectify them as a mere piece of metal to put between murderous zealots on one side and sociopathic trolls on the other. The situation is far more nuanced than that, and everyone involved is a person.

    As for politics… The rallying cry of Gamergate was when someone, I forget the name, shut down a charity drive so they could make a for-self-profit version of the same style. The charity was for feminism, employing women in third world countries, and curing cancer. But hey, profit to be had while abusing your connections to do it. LUCKILY, the gamergate crowd saved it. There’s now a South American video game company starting up that couldn’t before, employing almost entirely women. They don’t want to be a targeting board for misguided zealots, though, so I won’t name them, though a cursory google search will find it, I’m sure.

    To invoke Godwin’s Law at the end here, since I don’t want to speak overlong, when someone controls all the media, have popular support for their initial and more reasonable views (before revealing their agenda), and they want a certain narrative to be perceived as fact… it’s easy to see why Jews are the evil ones who need to be contained in ghettos, isn’t it? Germany didn’t have experience seeing propaganda campaigns. We have.

    The rallying cry of Anti-GamerGate: “Listen and Believe”
    The rallying cry of GamerGate: “Trust but verify”.

    Your choice, crowd: Shut up and accept whatever a multi-billion dollar industry wants to tell you without a thought like a good and well-fed lamb, or speak out, be attacked, be hated, but be a knowing, free, emaciated starving wolf. Shut up and listen, or investigate claims and draw your own conclusions. Your pick.

    (Oh! Also! Gamergaters just found the person putting death threats to Sarkeesian, it is currently believed to be a “clickbait” style newscaster in Brazil, they’ve informed their country’s authorities with the proof they’ve amassed. Because GamerGate doesn’t like Doxxing or death threats, that’s the zealot’s job, not the protester’s.)

  55. DudeThink
    DudeThink
    October 13, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Notice that the 2 or so posters in this thread that are opposed to #GamerGate are the ones actively using insults and spewing hatred, oh the irony.

  56. drakejr
    drakejr
    October 13, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Despite your efforts to make GG about a single website (which it isn’t) I perused several threads without any of the words you claimed I would find. Give me my dollar.

  57. Topgeartony
    Topgeartony
    October 13, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    Again it’s 8chan. I’m not bashing you. I’m just surprised. Do not blame the whole revolt.

  58. codeGrit
    codeGrit
    October 13, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Copypasta of another reply I made here :)

    —–

    I do not speak for the author. With that said…

    I think you and the poster below are taking his words about MRA incorrectly. If I had to guess (knowing the author), what he meant is he was starting to believe the MRA narrative being fed to him.

    I don’t think it was intended as anything more than that.

  59. bf313
    bf313
    October 13, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    People thought game journalism would be different because it wasn’t always like this.

    I do completely agree with your first paragraph though, people that think that gaming makes them special are idiots. In the same way that people who take pride in being “nerds” or “geeks” are annoying as fuck. Gaming is a hobby and needs to be treated as such, not as an identity.

    Your second paragraph is a bit overly dramatic though. Just because it’s a niche issue doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t care. By that logic why give a shit about anything that isn’t political or has a potential impact on global affairs. The “it’s not a real issue” argument is such a cop out.

    That last statement is just sick, why would you wish harm on people just because they don’t see political issues the same as you? I understand what you mean by it but still you sound like an angry child.

  60. Nephanor
    Nephanor
    October 13, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    Think of it this way, however. The Nazi party was elected in Germany by a majority. A majority of voters supported the idea of a prosperous Germany that they presented. And they delivered that. Then a minority in the party did unspeakable things. Yet we don’t accept the excuse “not all Nazis are like that” even though many didn’t sign up for the killings. As has been said before, all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to remain silent. By not standing up against the hateful “feminists”, that silent majority are in fact supporting it. Especially when they say “not all feminists are like that” or “that’s not MY feminism.” Unless they are actively calling out the bad ones, they are part of the problem. This is why feminists like Christina Hoff Sommers are so hated by the feminist establishment. She actually has ethics and calls them out.

  61. Allison Kirkpatrick
    Allison Kirkpatrick
    October 13, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    Gamergate is not about “harassment” or “sexism” – it’s about unethical standards in the game review media.

  62. Allison Kirkpatrick
    Allison Kirkpatrick
    October 13, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    I disagree with Sommers on most issues but this was a fantastic video by her on the Gamergate subject.

  63. Sage
    Sage
    October 13, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    great challenge is our bread
    adapting for strategy our butter
    we are gamers

  64. DudeThink
    DudeThink
    October 13, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Yes, but understanding the tactics and agenda of its most vociferous opponents will help the cause. They want to make it about that and we need to expose their duplicitous nature.

  65. Kyle W
    Kyle W
    October 13, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    I don’t agree with her on some things as well, but I will *damn* sure trust her to be more honest and ethical in her feminism than say, a certain creator of a show called Feminism Frequency, or the rabid Games Journalists who can’t fall over themselves fast enough to prostrate at that person’s feet.

  66. Brit Bong
    Brit Bong
    October 13, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Thankyou.

    Another good article and an interesting insight.

    Stay strong, regarding your addiction.
    You’ve got it on the ropes.
    Keep it there.

  67. Kr1spness
    Kr1spness
    October 13, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    I just want to say, I can;t help agree with their points on the depiction of women in games and treatment of women on the internet. To use that against gamergate however, lead me to certain priorities. We both want the same things mostly, we just differ in how to approach the issues, all the while some assholes sit on the sidelines stirring the pot and making it harder to reach the end goal. Of course, over time this did turn out to be more ingrained in ideology and culture and I really do feel disgusted by certain commentors from the anti-GG side just as I’m sure anti-GG feels the same way about us. i’d mostly like those voices to be exposed so we can get back on topic, but too many people feel as if they can do no wrong as they have truly figured out the “real issue”. SMH.

    What I find to be most disheartening is whenever someone goes off on a rant that vilifies gamergate, the replies to them are reasoned and patient. The rebuttal is that those people are a minority being fooled into fighting for “ethics” so more people can continue their hate campaign. But this is the majority of replies they receive…or rather ALL they receive. I’m talking about literal examples I’ve seen and as I saw them I had no choice but to question if I too was being fooled. When someone brings that on you, you have no choice but to undergo some inward reflection and I came to find that…I merely stand for my principles and see nothing wrong with the personal issues I would like to tackle and of which I see others wishing to tackle as well. And so, I begin to wonder if the anti-GG ever gets to see our side FROM our side, or if it is merely being fed to them. I’d like them to undergo the same reflection, and then converse rather than disagree in private.

  68. Jonas Buckner
    Jonas Buckner
    October 14, 2014 at 2:22 am

    By those standards, no group has a right to exist without constantly calling out the shitheads in any group they identify with. We would all be continually tweeting #notallrepublicans and #notallbrunettes to denounce people we don’t approve of in our group.

    Nazis are different from feminists because these were not random assholes doing unspeakable things; these were orders through the hierarchy of a militaristic government. German citizens were informed of what was going on through desensitization campaigns and official propaganda and news.

    I think that, by and large, the feminists Linda mentioned in #2 have absolutely no idea of shit the #1s get up to. They think it’s gender equality. If they’re particularly well-informed, they might concede there’s a few bad apples, but they just simply are not aware of totalitarian histrionic bullshit that they are actually doing.

    When Emma Watson or Joseph Gordon-Levitt identify as feminists, they aren’t delusional fucking maniacs so convinced of their own moral superiority that they can do wrong. I think they’re just duped into thinking that feminism means equal rights, and anyone in their right mind should support equal rights.

  69. The Tim Channel
    The Tim Channel
    October 14, 2014 at 7:19 am

    Until you “outted your privilege” I was only too happy to agree with you abut the insanity of the feminist cadre who’ve fooled the link-bait addicted online media. After finding out you’re a guy? I still like you but am forced to withhold the offer of marriage I was formulating in my head concurrent with the reading of your text. FWIW, this gamer gate thing is just a replay (and many of the same players) as what they tried to do with the skeptic movement by wandering down a lonely path of AtheismPlus (plus SJW bullshit). Here’s my latest on the gamer gate issue. Good writing. Good luck. http://thetimchannel.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/gaming-the-gamergate-gangsistas/ Enjoy.

  70. DudeThink
    DudeThink
    October 14, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    what’s the issue with the author being a guy?

  71. Moonpie Nobot
    Moonpie Nobot
    October 15, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Um…you’re doing what you are saying is wrong…

    #GamerGate is diverse, they are not children, and they do not need to be spoken down to. Honestly, it doesn’t take long to see who behaves more childishly in these exchanges. I’ve been insulted a number of times, and I’ve only been blocked by one party for basically doing nothing but having a conversation. In fact, the nicer you are, often the more angry they become…it’s bizarre.

    The anti-GG contingent of the internet tech media is going to RUE the day that they decided to just continually make shit up and openly display their disdain for a good portion of the demographic who would potentially read their content.

  72. ArsenicSundae
    ArsenicSundae
    October 15, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    The easy solution of course, for those genuinely interested in equality, is to drop the inherently biased “feminist” (FEMinist) label, and identify as a egalitarian. The truth is there are NO rights enjoyed by men in the western world that aren’t also enjoyed by women. Not a single one. However, both men and women still continue to face issues of alienation, marginalization and disrespect in modern society. Feminism, despite the soft sell of the inclusionists, NEVER consider the position of men in their so-called fight for equality, in any way other than as part of the problem. At best, men are dropped from the equation altogether.

    I ask you, how can one claim to seek equality when you only ever advocate for one of the two parties? That’s why feminism is broken and why I’m devoutly anti-feminist. But if you want to talk about actual equality, I’m interested. Feminists simply are not.

  73. Evie Ng
    Evie Ng
    October 16, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    I learned more from this than anything else I could find on gamergate. Thanks for writing from the heart and for clearly choosing your words carefully.

  74. Martijn Müller
    Martijn Müller
    October 18, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    What Gamergate has shown us more than anything, is that as members of the gaming community, we have much more in common than we do apart.

  75. Tom
    Tom
    October 23, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    When one group is treated differently for no other reason than a physical attribute, there’s a problem. In society right now, women are expected to stay home and look after the children, and are seen as bad mothers if they don’t (unless they can afford childcare to be able to work). Men until recently couldn’t even get an equivalent of maternity leave and are still seen by some as being ‘unmanly’. That’s unfair for both groups. For me feminism is about fixing that imbalance (that’s just one example). I’m very much interested in equality.

  76. Niwjere
    Niwjere
    October 26, 2014 at 2:49 am

    “When one group is treated differently for no other reason than a physical attribute, there’s a problem.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjernevask

    Science would like to emphatically disagree with you.

  77. Tom
    Tom
    October 26, 2014 at 3:28 am

    If you ignore the entire rest of my post as you have I guess I’d have to agree. Luckily I wrote more to explain.

  78. DudeThink
    DudeThink
    October 26, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    What do you mean? The tech media can handle scrutiny, they put themselves out there to be read and criticized. So suggesting that their content was disingenuous and even dishonest is not talking down to, it’s addressing the facts.

  79. Guest
    Guest
    November 1, 2014 at 3:05 am

    Where in society is this town that this is the expectation of women in 2014 besides backwater places and the Amish?

  80. Furluge
    Furluge
    November 1, 2014 at 4:57 am

    Sad thing is that when they encounter this they decide that she is an anti-feminist. I wish I was joking.

  81. Tom
    Tom
    November 1, 2014 at 6:13 am

    That’s the point, it’s everywhere, meaning the entire of the west is a backwater. Yes you can point to examples of it not being the case but it is true in the majority of cases. Ideally it would be true in no cases.

  82. poofin
    poofin
    November 1, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Great read! Thanks for taking the time to write it up, and for Niche Gamer to post it!

  83. Divided Line
    Divided Line
    November 2, 2014 at 12:03 am

    It’s not the case in the majority of cases.

  84. Divided Line
    Divided Line
    November 2, 2014 at 12:05 am

    It’s like they’ve been in an echo chamber for so long, with their only critics being traditional conservatives or others who can easily be turned into political boogeymen, that they don’t actually even know how to deal with nuanced and legitimate criticism from people they can’t as easily turn into cartoon villains.

  85. Divided Line
    Divided Line
    November 2, 2014 at 12:17 am

    It’s also about the bullying, demonizing, and outright bigotry of the SJWs, which has been going on far longer than gamergate. That’s precisely why the mainstream media’s coverage of it just defers to the female victimization narrative, because it’s so well established and people accept it uncritically. That’s what’s awesome about gamers. Finally somebody is really standing up to these people and challenging the dominant range of “acceptable” public opinion in mainstream discourse.

  86. Tom
    Tom
    November 2, 2014 at 3:16 am

    I could show you statistics for stay at home mothers versus fathers, but you’d tell me they choose to – so I’ll answer that instead. They ‘choose’ to because they’re labeled bad mothers if they don’t, and have been brought up to believe that it’s their place, as men have been brought up to believe it’s not their’s.

  87. Bozeman42
    Bozeman42
    November 12, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    I disagree with GamerGate, but you are being an asshole. Believe it or not, people can work on ‘first world problems’ while also addressing other issues.

    No need to flush the internet down the toilet because there exist other issues in the world.

  88. A Real Libertarian
    A Real Libertarian
    November 12, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    you are being an asshole.

    Actually, by Anti-Gamer-Gate standards he’s being a bit of a jerk.

    If you want to see an Anti-Gamer-Gate asshole you’d want Geordie Tait here:
    https://archive.today/dvUPX

  89. DynastyStar
    DynastyStar
    November 17, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Question, what anime/game is the picture at the start from? I’m just curious and who knows, it might be good.

  90. Siveon
    Siveon
    November 17, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Hyperdimension Neptunia, I think. One of those.

    I wouldn’t know if it’s good or not, it’s definitely not for me. Why I know the name is simply because the name is freaking hilarious as well as the concept.

  91. Duce Ralli
    Duce Ralli
    December 7, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    think he was going to do one of those “marry me!” type comments.

  92. MokFarin
    MokFarin
    December 10, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    You might also notice that the statistics are changing. Stay-at-home parenting is almost non-existent compared to 60-100 years ago. A two income household is almost always required to maintain something close to middle class in today’s economy.

    You appear to be trying to use the statistics of stay-at-home parents as an exclusive group and showing that more mothers than fathers do it. This is true, as it has always been, but that’s a poor use of data as it ignores the social and economic trends of the overall western world.

    The old guard of “a mother is bad if she doesn’t stay home with the kids” has been losing ground significantly in the culture as a whole. This effect is not only to some ebb by fathers choosing to stay at home but also by the facts that fewer couples have children, fewer couples have more than two children (making it easier/cheaper to have daycare for working parents), mothers who stay at home tend to be in poverty – so there’s no way to afford daycare so someone has to stay home, and the recent spike in parents that stay at home (mother or father) is because one parent can’t find a job in the last several years of economic turmoil.

    Be wary both of focusing on an issue too closely and constraining your data sets for purposes of statistics. It easily leads to generalizations that are untrue and causes harm to actual issues that may be present. I’m not saying that this issue doesn’t exist (because it does) but I am saying that there are so many factors working on this particular group of people that trying to pin it all on a single “bad” historical ideology is probably not the best use of time to research or effort to resolve.