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Hindus are Pissed That Krishna is in Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final

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We’ve gotten a statement from Hindu stateman and leader in Interfaith Relations from the Indian Association of Northern Nevada (based in Reno) Rajan Zed, who claims that Hindus at large are very upset with Atlus’ depiction of Lord Krishna (featured above) in Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final.

Zed said his appearance in the game “trivializes a highly revered Hindu deity,” and is urging Sega Sammy Holdings CEO Hajime Satomi to not include the god in the game, which is set to release on February 10th in Japan.

Zed, President of Universal Society of Hinduism, said that Krishna wearing a fedora is unacceptable, as he claims its a hat “widely associated with gangsters,” alongside his brown skin – contrasting it to Krishna’s usual appearance – wearing a dhoti and having blue skin.

He also said that controlling Krishna is the opposite of how things work in the Hindu faith, where followers put their destinies into the hands of their deities, not the other way around.

Finally, it’s worth mentioning that Zed reaffirmed Hindus pledge to free speech, however they wish faith and things considered sacred would be handled more sensitively in video games.

It’s also worth pointing out that Krishna has appeared in previous games within the series. You can read a part of Zed’s statement over on his official website.

How do you guys feel about Krishna and other gods being depicted in video games? Should they adhere to what their faith entails? Sound off in the comments below!

Editor’s Note: It’s not clear just how many Hindus are upset, but I felt it was worth reporting on.

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255 comments
  1. nine_ball
    nine_ball
    February 3, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    “It’s ok when it isn’t our gods”

  2. Heavily Augmented
    Heavily Augmented
    February 3, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    Well unlike Nintendo, I’m sure Atlus has a backbone and not appeal to the audience that won’t even buy their game.

  3. Leon Armenta
    Leon Armenta
    February 3, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    It’s been in the series since ’87 though.

  4. EroBotan
    EroBotan
    February 3, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    hindus complaining about video game is not a good sign .. i hope they refrain from going downhill like islam ..

  5. Landale
    Landale
    February 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    Can’t say I would’ve ever thought of gangsters over just a fedora either. That’s probably the dumbest part of the whole thing.

  6. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 3, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    Hahahaha, what?

    What the fuck is going on anymore?

    WHERE AM I? WHAT IS THIS?

  7. Guest
    Guest
    February 3, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    They don’t want their god to be a fedora tipper, it’s understandable

  8. dogmentation
    dogmentation
    February 3, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Hindus aren’t the ones who go on killing sprees in the name of their deity when they feel slighted.

    Just wait until the Christians find out what SMT has to say about THEIR god.

  9. CrabCombat
    CrabCombat
    February 3, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    “Zed, President of Universal Society of Hinduism, said that Krishna wearing a fedora is unacceptable, as he claims its a hat widely associated with gangsters”

    He should be glad Krishna isn’t saying “m’lady” and arguing with people on Reddit

  10. Nameless App 1989
    Nameless App 1989
    February 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    Looks like 2016 is gonna be the REAL year people are offended by everything, at this rate…

  11. Glenn Ray Brooks
    Glenn Ray Brooks
    February 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    im confused… are they complaining about how he physically appears in the game? or that he appears in the game at all?

  12. Kaleido-Ruby
    Kaleido-Ruby
    February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    They’re probably more pissed at the hat than the god being there.

    Can’t dick with god hats or hats on gods.

  13. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    I’ll soon give you a link about what an Atlus PR said on Twitter. They’re listening to Kotaku instead of their customers.

  14. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    Fuck those people. This is just a videogame

  15. Landale
    Landale
    February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    Yes

  16. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    February 3, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    Whatever gives them more attention aka both.

  17. Kaleido-Ruby
    Kaleido-Ruby
    February 3, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    I’m glad I’m using an operating system dedicated to gangsters.

  18. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 3, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    Of course they shouldn’t adhere to anything a bunch of lunatics are saying.

    They have every right to use this god, with a fedora or without.

  19. Heavily Augmented
    Heavily Augmented
    February 3, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    Y-you’re kidding right?

  20. Joe Schmoe
    Joe Schmoe
    February 3, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    I dont understand the issue.
    The series has included almost ever major deity.
    The Abrahamic one (Jewish/Christan/Muslim) is the ANTAGONIST a couple of times.

  21. sanic
    sanic
    February 3, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    Just say it’s a god with the same name and say not everything is about india.

  22. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    “Trivializes a highly revered deity”
    You realize that mainline SMT, apart from Nocturne, has YHVH as a tyrannical meglomaniacal menace on all existence?

    Or how about, you know, all the archangels being redesigned into TRASH MUCK in SMTIV? That’s more the fault of the terrible demon designer but still.

  23. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    To be fair, though, Krishna looks stupid in this game. At least he looked pretty accurate in previous Shin Megami Tensei titles.

  24. FinalFight
    FinalFight
    February 3, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    *tips fedora*
    M’deity.

  25. Arbitrary
    Arbitrary
    February 3, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    Fucking called it.

  26. Heavily Augmented
    Heavily Augmented
    February 3, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    WAKE ME UP INSIDE

  27. Arbitrary
    Arbitrary
    February 3, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    Scum.

  28. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    I already know. It’s why I prefer Devil Survivor 1 since it’s written so well that depending on your perspective God is actually either a massive villain (classic SMT mainline) or really patient and based. The angels also act like angels, too.

    Though there is that heresy spouted by that one guy in the game…then again, I think that’s just **SPOILER**lo.ki**SPOILER** being uppity that he’s just a knock-off of Louis Cypher.

  29. Yabloko Molloco San
    Yabloko Molloco San
    February 3, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    DESIGNATED

  30. Shiggy Diggy Doo
    Shiggy Diggy Doo
    February 3, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    SHITTING

  31. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    Hindus aren’t like that here in the West. I’ve heard things about them Eastward, but they aren’t given to violent radicalism here.
    I feel bad for compassionate Muslims when uppity Wahabist Muslims (I believe that’s who they are) suddenly take up crusades because MUH PICTURE I KILL YOU

  32. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  33. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    February 3, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    STREETS

  34. Firion Hope
    Firion Hope
    February 3, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    >USA

    that says it all

  35. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    That’s alright i didnt want to live much longer anyway

  36. alto_angelo
    alto_angelo
    February 3, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    their PR is huge SJW and friends with corrupt journalist

    Try again

  37. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    February 3, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    IN

  38. Landale
    Landale
    February 3, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    Looking into it a bit more, it is worth noting that it continued to a second second tweet. Yes the guy blows off the idea of distancing from Kotaku and the like, but given that he’s equating calling out censorship with Gamergate, he doesn’t seem to buy into their bullshit either.

    https://archive.is/OM7JV

  39. Juan Andrés Valencia
    Juan Andrés Valencia
    February 3, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    Don’t you kill God in of the games? How is that okay?

  40. Heavily Augmented
    Heavily Augmented
    February 3, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    Wait a sec, THIS GUY IS ATLUS’S USA PR?! When was a PR position made for journalists rather than you know… THE CONSUMER?

  41. Landale
    Landale
    February 3, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    Find me something that does care about the consumer. We’ll find out when that was made and go from there. Otherwise it’s pretty much always been a case of PR and journalists jacking each other off.

  42. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    February 3, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    Given that a lot of Abrahamic figures are depicted in SMT, many of which negatively, and I don’t mind despite being Catholic since it’s just a videogame, I’m having a hard time sympathizing. For now, I’ll just enjoy whatever ride this ends up as on the side.

  43. Ms_Fortune
    Ms_Fortune
    February 3, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    It was only a matter of time before they came for SMT.

  44. Himanshu Talwar
    Himanshu Talwar
    February 3, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    I’m Hindu. Krishna being in the game and depicted that way is fine with me.

  45. Miragos
    Miragos
    February 3, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    I’m not entirely convinced without any hard evidence, but if this is legit and Sega takes it seriously, I’m worried that it might keep Atlus USA from localizing this game and possibly even more titles in the future.
    Might be a good idea to reach out to Rajan Zed and Sega for comment.

  46. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    February 3, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    “X wearing a fedora is unacceptable” may not be an exact quote but it should catch on. Any chance of a more exact quote on that one?

    Can’t really sympathise anyway. It isn’t the next Hindu scripture, so being tied by expectations when there is a manga where Jesus and Buddha (Saint Young Men) are roommates in a modern day setting: http://cdn0.dailydot.com/cache/49/11/4911076a7d34f71f438c3982d24b1305.jpg

  47. Problematic Prinny
    Problematic Prinny
    February 3, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    Even wearing a fedora? he could tip it at any time!

  48. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    February 3, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    Are those the same subseries? They could have a fraction of a case if they stuck to the same universe.

    One is a long line of related and unrelated games and another is a religion (which has contridicing Canon but let us assume it is one thing). If SMT4 for example had a blue Krishna with no fedora, that is the start of a point since a new look can be justified.

  49. Anon
    Anon
    February 3, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    I’m Hindu and I’m legitimately offended by this. Seriously. This is ridiculously stupid. Why the hell did they make Krishna some smug hipster d-bag! He can lift up a mountain with one finger. This guy looks like he’d be in starbucks complaining about republicans on tumblr or something like that! #UnHipsterOurGods2016

  50. Robert
    Robert
    February 3, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    It looks like Xseed is our last hope.

  51. Alex Nguyen
    Alex Nguyen
    February 3, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    This “Zed” fellow has too much free time.

  52. Casey
    Casey
    February 3, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    “Finally, it’s worth mentioning that Zed reaffirmed Hindus pledge to free
    speech, however they wish faith and things considered sacred would be
    handled more sensitively in video games.”

    Translaion: We believe in free speech, except when it bothers us.”
    Go fuck yourself, asshat.

  53. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    February 3, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    Talking to a corrupt journalist is probably all game industry folks.

    Detail what he has done as an “SJW”. Ideally more than a passing mention of GG.

  54. Heavily Augmented
    Heavily Augmented
    February 3, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    My best bet would be CD Project Red. They’re not perfect (dat Witcher 3 downgrade) but they at least seem to give off a good impression with free DLC, decent expansion packs (so far), not appeasing the SJW’s, and they are the only company I know who hold a completely DRM free store front in the PC market (GOG)

  55. alto_angelo
    alto_angelo
    February 3, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    IIRC someone already mentioned it in this thread / discussion. It’s schreier IIRC. Also parroting the usual polygone neogaf stuff.

    Probably the reason why we have burch rise

  56. Tubsiwub
    Tubsiwub
    February 3, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    Oh ARE they now?

  57. The Real Slim Shady
    The Real Slim Shady
    February 3, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    He’s the depicted the same regardless. You just bow down to him or fight against him.

  58. Himanshu Talwar
    Himanshu Talwar
    February 3, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    Maybe we can change the fedora to literally anything else?

  59. Infasis
    Infasis
    February 3, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    You’d think these people would have something better to do with their time than analyze games like SMT for religious inaccuracies.

  60. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    February 3, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    I didn’t expect the guy to burn bridges like that email suggested, as his job is to be the puppet that dances for these reviewers and greases their wheels.

    But to openly criticize a fair concern that a good chunk of his companies fan base has was totally a dick move and leaves a bad taste in my mouth when thinking about Atlus’ future.

  61. Jake Drolet
    Jake Drolet
    February 3, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    Who cares? It’s a video game.

  62. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    February 3, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    Outrage culture is really popular these days. They see everyone else doing it and want to cash in.

  63. Ajt
    Ajt
    February 3, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    To be fair he isn’t substantially worse than “board shorts Jesus” and “Moses dressed as sexy Santa Claus”.

  64. Infasis
    Infasis
    February 3, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    But after localization and the removal of problematic content games are art.

  65. Infasis
    Infasis
    February 3, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    You heard the man. Time to put on your fedora and get to work on Twitter demanding the fedora is changed to a top hat.

  66. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    February 3, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    This is the actual quote:

    “Lord Krishna depicted by “Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final” wears fedora type hat (widely associated with gangsters)”

  67. Jack
    Jack
    February 3, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    Thank you for summoning me, sir, I’m euphoric knowing that I may be of some use
    *tips fedora*

  68. shuragidyne
    shuragidyne
    February 3, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    I recognize Rajan Zed’s name, since he also complained about appropriation in Asura’s Wrath–>https://archive.is/rVwl6

    The funny thing is that a practicing Hindu told me she was happy about the depiction of Hinduism in Asura’s Wrath and hoped it would help spread awareness. Not to mention that one was Buddhist was also quite happy with the game –> http://art-eater.com/2012/01/a-buddhists-guide-to-asuras-wrath/

    Atlus tends to do their research when it comes to religion in Megaten games, even if the subject matter is shocking. For example, Digital Devil Saga might feature cannibal demons, but it also had a great gasp on the topic of “reincarnation”. If you’ve taken any courses on Eastern religions, “reincarnation” is one of those topics that can be a doozy to understand.

    tl;dr not everyone will be offended, it’s more important to judge a work by how WELL it presents something.

  69. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    February 3, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    Hajime should tell Zed to go fuck himself.

  70. Miragos
    Miragos
    February 3, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    “A highly reverent deity like Krishna shouldn’t feel free to wear whatever he wants.”

  71. Domhnall
    Domhnall
    February 3, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    “…The Abrahamic one (Jewish/Christan/Muslim) is the ANTAGONIST a couple of times.”

    And a complete and utter dick in literally every single one I can remember, usually wanting to, in one way or another, destroy or control the entire human race.

    I don’t see Christians bitching.

  72. birdboy2000
    birdboy2000
    February 3, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    I read that statement as a “I don’t like this and it bothers me, but I don’t want it banned.” Which is IMO a healthy attitude to have.

  73. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    February 3, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    Jason “Objectivity is a silly thing to strive for” Schreier? Figures.

  74. Unbeliever
    Unbeliever
    February 3, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    Brandon is it confirmed that is actually a fedora and not a trilby?
    They might be okay with a trilby.

  75. Sutorippu!
    Sutorippu!
    February 3, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    Guessing these idiots never saw or played Smite.

  76. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 3, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    Called it!

    IIRC the nationalist Hindu party is currently in power so our Indian brothers will have to import.

    Wonder if they’ll block PSN?

  77. Casey
    Casey
    February 3, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    If that is truly how he feels, then I would one hundred percent agree with you.

    However, straight from HIS website:

    “Hindu statesman Rajan Zed, in a statement in Nevada today, urged Tokyo headquartered Sega Sammy Holdings Inc. CEO Hajime Satomi to not include Lord Krishna character in its “Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final” Atlus video game being released on February 10.”

    So, no. They’re still lobbying to have it removed, therefore asshat status remains.

  78. Chocolate ISISCream
    Chocolate ISISCream
    February 3, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    “WE DON’T WANT OUR GOD TO LOOK LIKE A KISSLESS/HUGLESS BETA VIRGIN FAGGOT”

  79. NeuroticNyx
    NeuroticNyx
    February 3, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    “Zed reaffirmed Hindus pledge to free speech”

    Good, then quit your bitching and stop trying to get these guys to self-censor, you hypocrite.

  80. JoeSislack
    JoeSislack
    February 3, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    I have a love hate relationship with Atlus USA.

    Note that this isn’t the first time someone working for them has gone full dumb before on twitter. A former employee of theirs a few years ago begged Xseed not to localize Senran Kagura because it was too problematic.

  81. Hirasugi
    Hirasugi
    February 3, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    Cry more

  82. Offendatron_5000
    Offendatron_5000
    February 3, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    Yeah, only religious leaders get to profit off thse characters!

  83. G. H.
    G. H.
    February 3, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    You want to believe magic is real, go right ahead. Stop expecting others to enable your delusions.

  84. Siveon
    Siveon
    February 3, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    To be fair, that’s mostly from ignorance of the issue. Most Christians spent their time complaining that there’s crosses or depictions of demons in old D&D manuals than anything else.

    EDIT: Though I will say that most organized forms of that died out.

  85. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    February 3, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    Why are religious people always against freedom of speech and pro censorship?

  86. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 3, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    While I disagree with them, I can actually respect that. They’re basically saying we disagree and wish you wouldn’t do it, but uphold your right to do it. That’s significantly better than how many others handle such things.

  87. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 3, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    I vote sombrero.

  88. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    February 3, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Well if they are not going to even play the game then they have no reason to bitch about the game.

  89. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 3, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    In the past, are people still widely outraged at D&D today?

  90. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    February 3, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    “widely associated with gangsters,”
    I miss those days…how’d he think of that first with that feather, makes it look more Swedish or Dutch or whatever.

    I understand his qualms when I think of it with the mind of a fanboy, so many changes and apparent ignorance of lore makes you think it could end up a crappy character.

  91. Bitterbear
    Bitterbear
    February 3, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    Meanwhile, in the Shin Megami Tensei game for Super Famicom, you kill The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost.

  92. Siveon
    Siveon
    February 3, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    Kinda. As a Christian there’s still traces of old folks being mad at the “Dragon Dungeons and Pokeeman”. Of course it’s not as big, and there aren’t freaking movies being made about it anymore. Those days are long gone.

    Most of the ones I met just don’t care or find it funny.

  93. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    February 3, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    Because think of the childrens heresy!

  94. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    February 3, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    Yahweh is the villain in the older games and no one complained back then.

  95. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    February 3, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    Please PLEASE for the love of god let this game come untouched. We’re finally getting a mainline SMT that isn’t taking 10 years to wait for.

  96. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 3, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    Reporting you for organized crime.

    ~yum search police

  97. Lurkerella
    Lurkerella
    February 3, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    That’s not a fedora, it’s a trilby. That hat it’s very popular right now, a lot of male anime characters wear it in recent anime.

  98. KiTA
    KiTA
    February 3, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    How about a trilby?

  99. KiTA
    KiTA
    February 3, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    Since always.

    Remember, we’re the product on this side of the industry. They’re buying our attention from the journalists.

  100. Yamato
    Yamato
    February 3, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    I don’t understand people, why the does someone who obviously isn’t even going to touch the game care about an ingame character model? I don’t really care if Atlus does change it but give me a break this is pathetic. Why can’t all the people who aren’t even going to play a game STAY AWAY from it in every way shape and form?

  101. Faggory Daggory Doo!
    Faggory Daggory Doo!
    February 3, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    no more sacred cows

  102. orbo
    orbo
    February 3, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    ” is urging Sega Sammy Holdings CEO Hajime Satomi to not include the god
    in the game, which is set to release on February 10th in Japan.”
    Is pretty much telling them to not release the game at all, since video games are not released the minute they’re finished but some months later after all the legal mumbo jumbo is worked out and has gotten some advertising.

    Plus, you know, the “it’s okay when it’s not our god” thing.

  103. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    Not exactly. I know Overclock’s Eighth Day addition kind of ruined it to make it fit the more utterly despicable mainline view of YHVH, but originally (and still regarding the Neutral Route) God is actually pretty aces.

    You notice that the angels never attack humans, for example, unless they refuse to stay in the guidelines of the “test” or they keep spawning demons. The demons on the other hand run amok for fun (aside from good ol’ Black Frost trying to be a superhero).

    Note also that Remiel is actually incredibly compassionate and understanding when even the main characters act like donkeys to him (her?).

    Most importantly, God is actually just fine with you choosing the Neutral Route instead of the Messiah/Law route. Considering how YHVH acted before in mainline titles, you know how insanely unique this is.

  104. MrAndrewJ
    MrAndrewJ
    February 3, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    Alright. I’m gonna do something I don’t like here.

    “Hindus are pissed” article reads more like one mouthpiece spoke up. Om NicheGamer’s favor, there’s an editor’s note at the bottom of the article saying “It’s not clear just how many Hindus are upset” as well. Perspective.

    Atlus has PR presence all over the Internet. I see them getting along with everyone. It’s a welcome contrast to the polarization so many other people engage in. I’m no friend to vitriolic, emotionally charged filth that gets published by tabloids and treated like high philosophy by too many people. I firmly we’d all be better off without the polarizing effects that they, their readers, and their detractors all play a part in.

    I’m a bigger proponent of a shared positive experience. I think we’d all be better off when we remember common passions, happiness, and humanity. Atlus is great at reaching out to people of all different types.

    I won’t invite heartache that doesn’t exist. We have one person voicing an opinion, one small-ish business (now with Sega behind them) getting along with everyone, and no announcements to make any changes of the game. This company braved through drama around Evokers. I’m sure they can handle a fedora.

  105. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    Point is, there’s a lot of touches here and there which leads you to believe that God is actually not a bad entity. He placed mankind under a time restricted burdensome “test”, yes, but like in Nocturne it’s a burden that mankind caused in the first place by not only attempting godhood but trying to give an elder abomination the throne of heaven.

    Hundreds of people died horribly from demon attacks, too, which is mentioned by Remiel to have grieved God. Sure, the Law route ends like typical Law routes with you becoming the faux Christ figure and leading mankind in submission to God, but the Neutral Route shows God giving mankind breathing room. Unless you rebel against Him, He won’t smite you (for now).

    It’s an interesting take and though the Law route is obviously bonkers, like the Chaos route, the Neutral Route is as close to a Christian JRPG game as you’d get. God isn’t a menace but He is to be feared. God isn’t going to obliterate you without giving you a chance, and the chance He gives isn’t for amusement but because, as Remiel stated, He genuinely loves mankind.

  106. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    3. On the flip side, the Chaos and Law routes give greater detail on your character and why your cousin is such an ass to cause all this. Everything God did to you and him during your “reincarnation” could be seen as suppressing your power for the sake of retaining His throne (because you are a threat) *OR* that He intended you to live a decent, human life ignorant of a power which could corrupt you
    *OR* it was all decreed from the first (a sort of Calvinist view) for everything to happen just-so and lead you to the point where you would be offered and accept the Law route’s somewhat messianic ending.

    Again, the Eight Day addition in Overclocked really taints what was the best part of this game: the perspective ambiguity, but the Neutral Route in Overclocked in untarnished and honestly the best ending anyway.

  107. Evropi
    Evropi
    February 3, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    There were a LOT of complaints, actually, and they outright asked for them to be removed from the game. In part because they can lose; they don’t want the supreme deity and its avatars [Krishna, etc] to be seen as inferior to pagans.

    That, and the designs were once again not in line with what they wanted. If you include gods that people today actually follow, there’s bound to be a shitstorm. I don’t expect anything to be done about it though, nor should there be anything done about it because that would be pandering to faith groups and tantamount to censorship.

  108. Evropi
    Evropi
    February 3, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    Yeah, I interpreted that as saying “no, we won’t stop letting Kotaku et al to use our press releases”. Which is fair game, it would probably give Kotaku fodder if they actually blacklisted it like Ubisoft did.

  109. Evropi
    Evropi
    February 3, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    Is that from The Adventures of Dr. McNinja?

  110. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 3, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    Sorry for all the replies and going on like that. haha I just really like Devil Survivor. It built upon what Nocturne did in a different way (hence why the narrative is vaguely similar) and just feels like the true successor to the SMT mainline mantle.

    Strange Journey was really interesting, but the addition of Mastema and the whole feel of it just felt…off. It was also missing a Maiden and a Tower, if I recall, which is literally part of Shin Megami Tensei tradition.

    Shin Megami Tensei
    New Goddess Reincarnation/Transformation/Heavenly Voice

    It came after Megami Tensei, a game based on a novel of the same name as I recall, and evolved into its own series from there. Five major elements are always present: YHVH (in some form), Lucifer, a Maiden (a woman of incredible spiritual power/potential caught between war of Light and Dark), a Tower (which ends the journey on an upward climb to either YHVH or a stand-in for him or a similarly almighty entity), Tokyo and three different endings of Law, Neutral, Chaos.

    You can mess around with certain elements of these but if you’re missing more than one it’s a horrible show. Strange Journey got flack from otaku for not being legit Tokyo, but I find it more grievous that SMTIV never had a Maiden at all! Also the designs were terrible.

  111. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 4, 2016 at 12:03 am

    SMT4 was a horseshow with terrible designs and looked schizophrenic because it had about six different artists doing all the demon work. Inconsistent mess of hits and many misses. Though I don’t recall Krishna ever showing up in SMT4.

    EDIT: I was wrong. Krishna wasn’t in SMT mainline ever it seems and wasn’t in SMT4 either.

    He’s only been in a few games but each time, though looking different, he at least LOOKED like a Hindu deity:
    http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Krishna

    I have to say, I think I’m with the Hindus on this one, but only because it’s a terrible design for apparently a massively powerful deity that’s never looked so…banal before.

  112. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    February 4, 2016 at 12:03 am

    Don’t these games parody all of the deities?

  113. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 4, 2016 at 12:07 am

    He can’t have it both ways. It’s Kotaku and especially Polygon and the like that spread the ideological cancer into the industry that’s censoring our games now.

    -They can only cause this trouble because of their perceived importance.
    –They only have perceived importance because game companies have relations with them.
    —This leads to people looking to Polygon, Kotaku etc. and leads to the majority taking in their ideology (those who read it share their views and amplify their views), which in turn leads to game developers/publishers honestly thinking what THEY think is right is what the customer wants–ergo censorship.

    TL;DR He makes himself an idiot by complaining about censorship yet refusing to disassociate with organizations and gaming tabloids which perpetuate the cancer leading to the censorship.

  114. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 4, 2016 at 12:12 am

    Everything except for Jesus, Buddha, Allah and Brahman (DDS kind of did that one though as a final boss).

    Basically, it’s everything but the most iconic and highly revered deities today, though Hindu gods even of Vishnu and Shiva level are signatures of SMT demons so…

  115. R.Z.
    R.Z.
    February 4, 2016 at 12:20 am

    Because the games didn’t make it out of Japan.

  116. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    February 4, 2016 at 12:36 am

    To give a serious answer, it’s because while they’re not going to play it, they know that many young and impressionable kids will. They don’t want these kids growing up with the wrong impression. In this case, they don’t want kids associating Krishna with the mafia for example or getting the wrong image of him.

    Which to me personally is a silly thing. I got interested in many mythologies almost exclusively because of the references made in video games. I wouldn’t even have heard of Nezha for example if not for his appearance in Koei’s Warriors Orochi series and now I know about his original depiction in the Bhagavata Purana and his later depiction in the Fengshen Yanyi as well as his role in the attempted subjugation of Sun Wukong. I know to keep my image of the mythological figure separate from the one used in Warriors Orochi.

  117. G. H.
    G. H.
    February 4, 2016 at 12:51 am

    It isn’t edgy to be tired of vast swaths of people who expect the universe at large to acknowledge their imaginary friends.

  118. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 1:32 am

    This person doesn’t seem to be against freedom of speech. They came across more as, ‘It’s your right to do it, but I wish you wouldn’t’ to me.

  119. chizwoz
    chizwoz
    February 4, 2016 at 1:44 am

    “Let’s muslim the fuck outta this” he was caught saying before making the statement.

  120. NuclearKangaroo
    NuclearKangaroo
    February 4, 2016 at 1:55 am

    your comment already offends me

  121. Thesimpleway
    Thesimpleway
    February 4, 2016 at 2:36 am

    Interpretations of deities have been around since forever, why are modern ones seen as bad? Are only Christians mature enough and grounded in their religion to not care? You can say a lot about Christianity, at least they seem to believe in their gods and their strength instead of trying to help their earthly image like a god would need public relations on earth to succeed. This only shows the weakness of his beliefs.

  122. bateruchan
    bateruchan
    February 4, 2016 at 2:38 am

    trilby is close. That’s what Andrew Dobson (TomPreston, comic artist… if you can call him that, of So You Think You’re a Cartoonist?) wears.

  123. bateruchan
    bateruchan
    February 4, 2016 at 2:41 am

    My mom was one of those… in the 90s when i was a wee lad, she made me throw all my Pokemon toys out (i had amassed a huge collection from grandparents and aunts/uncles, it’s all i ever asked for, was those Tomy toys) by myself… she held the trash bag open. I cried.

    couldn’t read harry potter until i was 12… around the time the fifth book came out…? the sixth one game like 2 years later.

    so yeah they still exist. if she knew she had bought me shin megami tensei games, and knew what was inside the box, she’d have flipped her lid

  124. bateruchan
    bateruchan
    February 4, 2016 at 2:42 am

    then they wouldn’t have ‘strongly urged’…

  125. bateruchan
    bateruchan
    February 4, 2016 at 2:43 am

    fuck i really need to play asura’s wrath

  126. scemar
    scemar
    February 4, 2016 at 2:55 am

    Yeah that one’s a classic.
    Everyone loves freedom, except when it means stuff they don’t like.
    That’s the only exception tho, they actually love freedom!!

  127. Yamato
    Yamato
    February 4, 2016 at 2:55 am

    It’s going to be rated M, by that age it should not be an issue so with a game like this that “family friendly” or “impressionable kids” argument doesn’t really hold water. If a family of Hindu’s or whatever lets their child play the game that is rated M and he gets the wrong impression that’s the family’s fault not, Atlus’ for giving their own spin on a diety. But it is what it is, people will always find something to bitch about even though the models and things in a video game are not real.

  128. scemar
    scemar
    February 4, 2016 at 2:56 am

    This comes off the heels of persona removing some muslim songs.
    Guess Japan isn’t safe from random people having dumb opinions of what shouldn’t be part of that whole freedom of speech thing.

  129. morzinbo
    morzinbo
    February 4, 2016 at 2:57 am

    or just change him into a cowboy and call him Aimee

  130. Letrix
    Letrix
    February 4, 2016 at 3:03 am

    I’m a Hindu and a big fan of both persona and shin megami tensei series. I find Krishna with fedora hat is cool. If he really cared he would have found this 20 years ago at beginning of this franchise and be grateful that video game be a medium to spread of existence of Hindu deities to new generations. Why people always see the glass half empty?

  131. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    February 4, 2016 at 3:17 am

    He still has no reason to complain about a game that he don’t plan on playing. He’s trying to censor the game.

  132. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    February 4, 2016 at 3:23 am

    I see. At least, Atlus are consistent in disappointing you with their designs with 4 and 4 Final. No idea if there will be a story justification for the look, but even if there isn’t, it isn’t like it looks notably weirder than others?

  133. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    February 4, 2016 at 3:29 am

    XSeed is just as bad as the rest. It’s just Tom trying his best to make sure the rest of the team arent deleting stuff that would make them “uncomfortable”.
    The moment he quits the team, you can say bye-bye to XSeed.

  134. Dominic John Chan Maca
    Dominic John Chan Maca
    February 4, 2016 at 3:43 am

    “Finally, it’s worth mentioning that Zed reaffirmed Hindus pledge to free
    speech, however they wish faith and things considered sacred would be
    handled more sensitively in video games.”

    Nope. Shut up and ignore it, Zed.

    I hope Atlus ignores this. It’s an affront to free speech.

  135. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    February 4, 2016 at 3:45 am

    Maybe he’d feel better if someone told him there are hardly any deities in SMT that make it out with a positive image. Sure, Krishna looks like a douche, and probably acts like it too, but hey – at least he’s not on YHVH’s level!

  136. Fighunter
    Fighunter
    February 4, 2016 at 3:48 am

    As a Muslim, I’m not really… “offended” by depictions of religion in SMT? How to say it right…
    SMTs and its spinoffs have always depicted many different monotheistic and polytheistic pantheons. While it’s true that Islam forbids physical representation of God, angels and so on, it’s usually in the context of idolatry. I know SMT is a work of fiction that’s not actively trying to influence my beliefs or try to generalize their depictions; they usually just want to do it in the purpose of cool entertainment.
    So while I can’t go “I’m 100% behind this show whoever you want!” I think I can at least acknowledge that this is a minor slight at worst.

  137. Dominic John Chan Maca
    Dominic John Chan Maca
    February 4, 2016 at 3:49 am

    You god looks better than ours, WTF? Ours is just a big green-yellowish troll/goblin head.

  138. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    February 4, 2016 at 4:34 am

    It’s definitely better than petitioning for censorship or proclaiming some sort of jihad. That said… what’s the point in making a fuss about it anyways unless you’re going to complain about *every* deity that gets portrayed in a “negative light”?

  139. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    February 4, 2016 at 4:35 am

    As an atheist (or maybe just apatheist) I have observed that Christianity and Judaism are fair game. Everything else is a big no-no.

  140. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    February 4, 2016 at 4:49 am

    ….Have these morons never seen a SMT game?

  141. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    February 4, 2016 at 5:25 am

    Apparently not many non-gaming people realize that ESRB ratings are a thing.

    Anyways, that’s the most reasonable explanation I can give. The other is that its mere existence offends, but I’m trying my damnedest to give people the benefit of the doubt and think of reasons with good intentions.

  142. Murti
    Murti
    February 4, 2016 at 5:29 am

    OK, i will use my freedom of speech now:

    In my fantasy your mother is a prostitute, i will make a video game about it, and i won’t care for your feelings. How would you feel about that, asshat??

  143. Murti
    Murti
    February 4, 2016 at 5:32 am

    oh

  144. Alistair
    Alistair
    February 4, 2016 at 5:46 am

    Naked lolis is offensive, extreme violence is offensive, treating of weak women rescue by men is offensive.

    We can now proudly add a guy non sexist fully clothes with a hat consider offensive if you didn’t say a thing about the issuse I would have thought the character some dude with a hat & tails with a flute, & not a God of any sort.

    Next we be our God wearing a smoke jacket playing with a harp. Would that be offensive to?

    We gone full circle whatever next eh.

    Edit: Art is just Art freedom of speech & expression covers Art as well in all forms.

  145. 2501
    2501
    February 4, 2016 at 6:09 am

    Lets be real, SMT have never been religiously accurate with depicting deities.

  146. Yamato
    Yamato
    February 4, 2016 at 6:20 am

    I have no doubt when companies and or people want games censored it’s for what they perceive as being for the better, but I dislike having my game butchered because they can’t distinguish between reality and fantasy.

  147. Steven T.
    Steven T.
    February 4, 2016 at 6:44 am

    Whoever this leader dude is should come off it. Quite a few of his gods have had pretty good depictions. What’s one supposedly “bad” one? Or heck, what about some that don’t line up with the usual depictions? Where was his anger then? I didn’t hear any Satanists bitch about Lucifer’s appearance in SMT (even the Michael Jackson reject version). I didn’t hear Christians raise a fit over the depictions of the Archangels, or even fucking GOD himself! Fuck, not even Muslims are are mad at some of their figures being in SMT (like Israfel for example).

    Pic below, a search of Hindu Gods in SMT.

    And besides, anyone that’s played SMT games could wager that Krishna’s appearance now is probably a disguise, revealing his true appearance later in the game.

  148. LurkerJK
    LurkerJK
    February 4, 2016 at 6:52 am

    The salt intensifies, damn swjs are turning the world into a bunch of whinny babies
    *tips fedora*

  149. chaoguy
    chaoguy
    February 4, 2016 at 6:59 am

    Hell, in the UK “Harry Krishna” is old slang in the UK for someone who was overly religious to the point of trying to convert others.

    If the god was portraying negative traits I could understand outrage. But unless he’s a war-god (this Krishna is kinda lithe) there’s nothing offensive.

    Imagine if Jesus was in these games with giant wooden arms representing the cross, carrying a giant ass boulder. It’s not correct but it’s not offensive. I’d argue that this Krishna is so far from the source material, no one is going to know what it supposedly “mocks”.

    Plus, no other religion has complained about their gods. Hell, we only have this guys word- have we actually heard from other Hindus?

  150. LurkerJK
    LurkerJK
    February 4, 2016 at 7:06 am

    Definitely an aggressive pink pimp hat with fluffy corners

  151. LurkerJK
    LurkerJK
    February 4, 2016 at 7:08 am

    Since metacritic became a thing

  152. Mr. Greis
    Mr. Greis
    February 4, 2016 at 7:38 am

    I vote fruit hat.

  153. Etherblaze
    Etherblaze
    February 4, 2016 at 7:41 am

    I don’t care what any of these faggots say. Krisha looks fashionable as fuck. It’s the peacock feather that clinches it.

  154. Gillman
    Gillman
    February 4, 2016 at 7:55 am

    Is it even worth mentioning… any other game? Hindu gods have been in gaming since gaming was a thing. Also, most of this is just seen as “weird and interesting” in Japan. MegaTen is all about weird Christian themes, no mention of that in there…

  155. Seansong1
    Seansong1
    February 4, 2016 at 8:38 am

    not again … -_-

  156. Crizzyeyes
    Crizzyeyes
    February 4, 2016 at 8:41 am

    Wow… you must not be an American. As an American, I can sincerely say that I wouldn’t really give a shit. In fact I’d be impressed if you could make it convincing. If you thought my mom was really attractive enough to model her as a prostitute in your video game, that would also be a compliment.

    Welcome to free speech, dude. People say shit you don’t like and then you IGNORE IT.

  157. Sebastian Mikulec
    Sebastian Mikulec
    February 4, 2016 at 8:45 am

    MegaTen games have always included gods from all types of different religions, and they haven’t always been shown in the most glowing light. Get the **** over it.

  158. Murti
    Murti
    February 4, 2016 at 8:52 am

    Any normal person would feel insulted if his mother was blasphemed. What to speak of his God. Yes, I am not American. I am European (The continent where your Forefathers originate from).

  159. Nin
    Nin
    February 4, 2016 at 9:35 am

    Meanwhile, Yahweh is evil. And Mara… is Mara.

    Vidya is just vidya.

  160. epy
    epy
    February 4, 2016 at 9:42 am

    Japan won’t prolly change it but you can bet he wont be in the NA version. Dark times.

  161. epy
    epy
    February 4, 2016 at 9:56 am

    Even if christians were offended, society today would only laugh it off because of christian privilege…or whatever.

  162. Daryl Corey
    Daryl Corey
    February 4, 2016 at 9:58 am

    Do Hindus even rank on the universal opression chart the SJW filth operate on.

  163. Fenrir7
    Fenrir7
    February 4, 2016 at 10:09 am

    I follow the Hideki Kamiya school of thought whenever these issues arise: “Too bad!”

  164. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 4, 2016 at 10:32 am

    Wait Krishna is your mother?!

    Anyway in my country this was all settled decades ago: religions are fair game for parody.

  165. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 4, 2016 at 10:33 am

    Krishna eats hipsters for breakfast.

  166. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 4, 2016 at 10:36 am

    True. Ofcourse Christians don’t behead people anymore ;)

  167. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 4, 2016 at 10:38 am

    Daily reminder why I am currently on nichegamer.com and not Kotaku.

  168. Feniks
    Feniks
    February 4, 2016 at 10:42 am

    Ah yes don’t remind me Persona 4 came out on the fucking Playstation 2!

  169. Lea Pastillaroja
    Lea Pastillaroja
    February 4, 2016 at 10:56 am

    Indus need to shut the fuck up, last i heard about them bitching at vidya it was because Smithe’s depiction of Kali wich was fairly acurate from Indu Myth and was actually toned down to be PC enough for the ESRB aproove the game, but they still bitched cus “muh religion” and got the character butched to the point that now it only shared the name with the goddes Kali.

    Religious retads deserve nothing but shame and mockery, they should be thankfull that the modern, superior secular world finds their myths interesting enough to keep them on the life support know as entretainament cus as science advances, religion will only age and die

  170. Montrillian
    Montrillian
    February 4, 2016 at 11:05 am

    How many gods and religious figures have been in this series before? Forget trying to include everyone.

  171. Murti
    Murti
    February 4, 2016 at 11:11 am

    oh

  172. Astralwyrm
    Astralwyrm
    February 4, 2016 at 11:12 am

    As a fervent bofist, breath of fire 6 offends me! Don’t release that shit here! Capcom bend to my whim! Thats how this works right?

  173. eltonBorges
    eltonBorges
    February 4, 2016 at 11:21 am

    It reminds me of Smite’s Kali situation. They had to change her because she was way too similar to the classic paintings.

  174. SommenRider
    SommenRider
    February 4, 2016 at 11:39 am

    >persona removing some muslim songs
    wat

  175. Nin
    Nin
    February 4, 2016 at 11:47 am

    Don’t care? I wouldn’t play it, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to actively boycott it.

  176. Nin
    Nin
    February 4, 2016 at 11:54 am

    A lot of Hindus are conservative, so aside from the eunuch being a third gender thing and some futanari gods, they are generally disliked by SJWs.

    One I met even called the Kama Sutra sexually oppressive.

  177. Murti
    Murti
    February 4, 2016 at 11:58 am

    haha

  178. Michael Richardson
    Michael Richardson
    February 4, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    Thank goodness this is an Atlus game, and not something published by Nintendo. Something tells me NoA would be tripping over themselves to “localize” the heck out of this game.

  179. Daryl Corey
    Daryl Corey
    February 4, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    I think I like the Hindus a bit more now previously I was just neutral. Granted this one needs to take the stick out of his ass but the same could be said of most hardcore religious types

  180. Captmotorcycle
    Captmotorcycle
    February 4, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    Tons of Hindu deities have been in SMT games before. Why are they just now getting bent out of shape? Also, Sega-Sammy shouldn’t budge. Leave it the way it is. It is artistic expression

  181. Vitz
    Vitz
    February 4, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    Fiction Police attacks once again.

    This kind of shit is a good reason to become antisocial nowdays.

  182. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    They’re Hindu, they’re going to complain about their deities. I don’t expect them to complain about other deities the same way I don’t expect a special interests group for once race to complain about the portrayal of a different race.

  183. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    Strongly urging is different than calling for a ban, legal action, or something else of the like. They’re welcome to voice their opinion as long as they don’t try to force others to accept it.

  184. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    Just because they’re not gamers that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t care about how something they care about is portrayed. That’s like saying if you don’t watch television you shouldn’t care that something you deeply care about is being portrayed grossly inaccurate to millions of people on there.

  185. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    That sucks. The funny thing is it usually just ends with their child resenting them and their beliefs. Fanatics tend to drive people away from what they’re selling with their methods.

    Also that’s the 90s, I was talking about more recently. Thankfully it seems to have died out. People still clinging to those beliefs and behavior are considered more fringe nowadays.

  186. American Russophile
    American Russophile
    February 4, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    Can’t he complain that Krishna is portrayed as a demon at very least?

  187. American Russophile
    American Russophile
    February 4, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    It’s a nickname for Hindu religious sects in the US, too.

    Also there’s a scene in a Persona (spinoff) game where there’s a massive shadow monster with a cross on its back that it uses as a helicopter while it summons statues of young virgin women who are apparently its mother to attack the protagonist.

  188. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    February 4, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    By that logic then no one should go against anita sarkeesian or the other feminist that are censoring and blocking our games. Just because it’s his religion doesn’t mean he can try to censor shit.

  189. bateruchan
    bateruchan
    February 4, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    i don’t know if it’s fringe or if it’s just hidden. the whole thing in the 90s with my mom was so hidden away and hushed. the public had no idea. and this was before i was going to school.

    even if so, i would have believed everyone’s parents made them throw away pokemon for jesus.

  190. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    I don’t understand that leap of logic at all. Your comparison makes absolutely no sense to me. Also while the man is voicing his disapproval and saying he wishes they’d change it, he’s not trying to force any censorship on them. He acknowledges their right to free speech.

  191. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    I don’t think it was that hidden. I heard similar stories back then and heard relatives talking about ridiculous stories in the news like Pokemon having hidden satanic messages. You don’t see that in the news much nowadays and anyone I hear about behaving like that is talked about like a fringe nutter.

  192. I Don't Care About Your Waifu
    I Don't Care About Your Waifu
    February 4, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    How do they feel about every other god/goddess being on most SMT games then? :D

  193. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    February 4, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    Zed and Anita are basically doing the same thing. Both want to change games biased on their feelings. That is still censorship. I don’t care if you believe in a religion or not as ALL censorship is bad. If he don’t like the game he don’t have to fucking buy it. It’s that simple.

  194. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    I guess we’re at an impasse because we’re going to completely disagree. Sarkeesian actually lobbies for government enforced censorship of things and tries to shame people for liking certain things. Also I don’t really think she’s acting in good faith. Zed on the other hand expressed discontent with the content without shaming the developer and acknowledged their right to free speech and being able to do what they want regardless. The difference between them is night and day to me. I’d have much less of a problem with Sarkeesian if she were more like Zed.

  195. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    February 4, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    Either way both of them are bastards that are trying to impose censorship for stupid reasons. I will always be against censorship rather from the feminist or the crazy Religious people.

  196. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    February 4, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    I’ve heard horror stories about kids practicing pagan rituals with the card game and seen broadcasts talking about how Pokemon was the devil, so I doubt it was very well hidden. It was a pretty big deal in the 90’s.

    Not all Christians felt that way though, the Vatican actually publicly praised Pokemon for spreading positive morals.

  197. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 4, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    I too am against censorship regardless of who is pushing it. Just don’t become as fanatical as those wanting to censor everything.

    I find his stance fine. He doesn’t like it but supports free speech so he won’t try to censor/ban it. He’s perfectly entitled to not like something and voice his displeasure with it. He accepts that Atlus doesn’t have to change a thing just because he doesn’t like it.

    ‘I don’t like it and wish you’d change it, but fully support your right to ignore that in the name of free speech.’ If more religious people and ideologues in general had that stance the world would be a much better place.

  198. tccboss
    tccboss
    February 4, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    Three words:deal with it.

  199. Sylveria Shini
    Sylveria Shini
    February 4, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    I assume they have no qualms with the dozen christian deities or the other like.. 10 Hindu based things in the game.. cause they didn’t play it and never fucking will.

    As not being familiar with traditional depictions of him, I just think it looks stupid and Id probably never use him.

  200. Sylveria Shini
    Sylveria Shini
    February 4, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Oh they were. When Nocturne came out back on the PS2, a bunch of christian fundies wanted the game banned for “Satanic Content” and they actually tried to pressure the ESRB to make that a criteria on their rating considerations.

  201. Sylveria Shini
    Sylveria Shini
    February 4, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    Ah yes.. Brahman.. the giant.. 5 faced.. gold.. thingy…

  202. Platinal
    Platinal
    February 4, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    You mean the guys who started that slavery and genocide thing? Those forefathers? Keep ’em, fam.

  203. Platinal
    Platinal
    February 4, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    The hanged man wasn’t Jesus, Messiah is.

  204. Platinal
    Platinal
    February 4, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    To be fair, that guy is an asshole in the Bible too.

  205. bateruchan
    bateruchan
    February 4, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    no i mean hidden now.

  206. bateruchan
    bateruchan
    February 4, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    hidden now. sorry i wasn’t clear.

    who knows how much large that fringe group is. it’s more publicly acceptable now to make fun of them which is why, but they’re prolly still a pretty big group considering most of the crazies from back there are still kickin, just quieter about their crazy

  207. Platinal
    Platinal
    February 4, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    He was going to destroy the earth with a meteor, dude.

  208. vayanui8
    vayanui8
    February 4, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    I love how Atlus constantly puts things like this in games and doesn’t seem to give a fuck if anyone complains. Its great.

  209. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    February 4, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    Boo Hoo.

  210. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    February 4, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    Oh, well then yeah. You’d almost have to go looking for it these days.

  211. Imunk Bagus Pamungkas
    Imunk Bagus Pamungkas
    February 5, 2016 at 4:01 am

    Umm…. the SMT Digital Devil Saga was heavy in hindu religion…heck the last boss was the god brahman……why now?

  212. Murti
    Murti
    February 5, 2016 at 7:49 am

    you are so right.

  213. FlawedIntellect
    FlawedIntellect
    February 5, 2016 at 11:02 am

    My mom was kinda like that back in the late ’90s, but now she’s completely forgotten about all of that. Though she did once play D&D, apparently.

  214. FlawedIntellect
    FlawedIntellect
    February 5, 2016 at 11:08 am

    I’m looking forward to this game anyhow.
    And so what?
    While I have many disagreements with how YHWH is depicted in the franchise, I’m not going out of my way to tell them to change everything just to pander to me.
    It’s just a game series, after all. Why take it so seriously?

  215. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 5, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    haha yeah that’s the one
    my buddy calls it the God Train

  216. FlawedIntellect
    FlawedIntellect
    February 6, 2016 at 2:06 am

    There’s only 1 deity in Christianity. There’s a bunch of angels, though, and a good number of demons (most of which are fallen angels.)

  217. FlawedIntellect
    FlawedIntellect
    February 6, 2016 at 2:11 am

    YHWH is a highly revered deity, but they haven’t shown ‘im directly (to my knowledge) since Shin Megami Tensei II. Then again, I’ve only beaten SMT I, SMT IV, Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei 1 (kyuuyaku version), and SMT: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers.

  218. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    February 6, 2016 at 10:46 am

    In lore the reason why YHVH hasn’t shown himself physically again or why he isn’t referred to by name most of the time since SMT II is because YHVH was “killed” in SMT II. In actuality Aleph only managed to kill the physical manifestation of YHVH since YHVH is intrinsically tied to mankind, so if there’s even one human soul crying out to YHVH then YHVH will exist.

    Essentially, the creator is linked to his creation, and to kill YHVH utterly you’d need to kill mankind completely.

    This notion of “the people cry out for me, so I come” is what Persona 3 and Persona 4 ripped off horribly, only there neither story makes sense since 1. Not even the majority of humans cries out for death and 2. Not even the majority of humans desire delusional fog or to understand one another intimately. YHVH makes sense since EVERYONE cries out to -some- kind of deity for justice and order in a chaotic world of man, and strictly statistically speaking the majority do cry out to what they believe is the Abrahamic God, be it a Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Judaist, Mormon etc. No matter how clear or real their religion is, they are in numbers the majority of faith believers and they cry out to YHVH for justice–hence why LAW is always a theme, because LAW is what YHVH represents and what YHVH offers to mankind.

  219. shuragidyne
    shuragidyne
    February 6, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    No one complained because 1) it was only released in Japan and 2) Buddhism and Shintoism are the major religions there, not any of the monotheistic ones.

    Also Japan–and East Asia in general–has historically been lax with interpreting foreign religions, which is why Buddhism went from “you must achieve enlightenment through meditating” to “pray a lot and Amitabha Buddha will help you achieve enlightenment” to “you’re already enlightened, you just need to ‘realize’ it.” It feels like people who complain about religious appropriation in Japanese games don’t understand this cultural aspect.

  220. FangzV
    FangzV
    February 7, 2016 at 1:11 am

    I know your comment is like 3 days old but I thought I’d add just for Trivia’s sake:
    “Agony” in Devil Summoner is basically Jesus.
    http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Agony

  221. Llama Adventure
    Llama Adventure
    February 7, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    MegaTen did something blasphemous?

    This has literally never happened before.

  222. American Russophile
    American Russophile
    February 8, 2016 at 7:53 am

    Persona 3 has tons of obvious Jesus references, but yes everyone knows Messiah is Jesus.

  223. Saber
    Saber
    February 8, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    I lost faith in humanity

  224. Captain Clutch
    Captain Clutch
    February 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    Boo fucking woo

  225. Elder Maxon #BrohoodOfSteel
    Elder Maxon #BrohoodOfSteel
    February 8, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    Give him a Katana and maybe he wont complain anymore

  226. Jill Sandwich
    Jill Sandwich
    February 9, 2016 at 7:34 am

    I will give that it is silly to dress a Hindi god in lederhosen & a trachten-hut like he’s going to Oktoberfest, but that’s all.

  227. Steve Bakewell
    Steve Bakewell
    February 9, 2016 at 7:49 am

    To be honest.. Krishna was kind of a smug d-bag when you think about it.

  228. Steve Bakewell
    Steve Bakewell
    February 9, 2016 at 7:50 am

    DO NOT GIVE THEM IDEAS!

  229. PersonaTexas
    PersonaTexas
    February 11, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    That Zed guy can go Freakazoid on himself, It’s a video game, plus people can just draw Krishna all over the internet, and I never heard this guy complain about it, if anything this news wants me to buy this game even more, and want to used Krishna more.

  230. Michael B
    Michael B
    February 12, 2016 at 9:37 am

    They kill people that eat cows…

  231. Iommianity
    Iommianity
    February 12, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    You’re free to try that, moron, but then you would learn the very real legal difference between featuring a fictional depiction of a fictional character and slandering someone who is actually live. It has absolutely nothing to do with ‘feelings’, and everything to do with the fact that it’s okay to criticize, misrepresent or even slander beliefs, but not people. That’s part of free speech. It’s not like Shin Megami only borrows from one religion anyways, so these people are just opportunistic.

    Free speech doesn’t mean there are no consequences, it means that the right is inalienable up to a certain point. You need to think of a better comparison, that’s fucking retarded logic.

  232. Iommianity
    Iommianity
    February 12, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    Any normal person can appreciate context, and know when to be offended and when not to. People ‘blasphemed’ my mom for a long period in my life: it was called school. If I didn’t lose sleep about what some random assholes think about a woman they’ve never met, why act like comparing my mother to a deity is the same thing?

    It’s okay to be offended by a game. It doesn’t mean other people are in the wrong, it means you place a god before living, breathing people with inalienable rights as human beings. Kind of sad. Aren’t people’s belief systems supposed to be divinely inspired? How is it that the word of god is so flimsy that video games are a threat? Your attitude is basically spiteful revenge because you can’t learn to deal with basic criticism.

    Literally your only take away is that if someone says or does something you don’t like, instead of ignoring it, your thinking says “Well, you can’t criticize religion, because that’s like me calling your mom a hooker.” No, it’s not. It’s really not the same thing at all. Your love for your mother should be unconditional. Your faith should be something you question and want to understand more, not take at face value.

  233. Murti
    Murti
    February 12, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    oh

  234. Murti
    Murti
    February 12, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    your speech also reminds me about this joke:

    Nietzsche: “God is Dead”
    Nietzsche dies.

    God: “Nietzsche is dead”

    Ha Ha Ha. And remember, it is only a joke. We think we are more alive than God, but when deaths comes, we will cry for him like little babies :)

  235. Iommianity
    Iommianity
    February 12, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    “That’s like saying if you don’t watch television you shouldn’t care that something you deeply care about is being portrayed grossly inaccurate to millions of people on there.”

    But that can happen at any time about any given subject. Also, there’s a massive difference between slandering a person and slandering a belief. In a world of billions I take it for granted that people might be flat out wrong or ignorant about things I hold dear. That’s life. Unless it places an undue burden on your shoulders, or it’s flat out racist or inciting hatred, our privilege and right is to be offended.

    Whether you see it on television or not, you absolutely shouldn’t care if your belief system is criticized. a) if your beliefs are so sacrosanct and vital, then there is not a single earthly criticism that could possibly ever be a detriment, b) what could what one random person has to say about your faith ever trump the value it has in your life, or it’s historical importance?

    This world would be a much better place if people guided their energy and actions to things that objectively matter. What someone you don’t care about has something to say that doesn’t affect you unless you allow it to, in a video game they were never going to play in the first place, they’ve lost me. In a world of billions I have no idea how adults don’t take the notion that people will have opinions ,ranging from ambivalence to outright malevolence, for granted. No one should have put more stock into faith than the faithful. That’s a privilege we enjoy by not having the burden of religion, and it’s ours.

  236. Iommianity
    Iommianity
    February 12, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    I do say in fact, and if you’re just trolling, that’s cool too. One of us is flat out getting paid to waste time online right now, and one of us has nothing to better to do, let alone a thought in their head.

  237. Iommianity
    Iommianity
    February 12, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    Nah, already faced my morality in cancer. I’ll let you in on a secret, I never once cried for god. Learned to appreciate my family more, but the last thing I was going to do was cheapen my life and theirs with whatever it is you’re referring to. Speak for yourself, although hopefully it’s not something you have to consider for a long, long, long time.

  238. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    February 12, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    I agree that people are going to disagree and you should live and let live. However I disagree that they shouldn’t care. They’re more than welcome to care about how their beliefs are portrayed to others and voice their opinions on it.

    It doesn’t matter if they were never going to play the video game. The medium is irrelevant. What matters is that an important part of their life is being portrayed inaccurately. They’re entitled to say they wish it wasn’t so and Atlus is entitled to portray their artistic interpretation.

    You say it doesn’t affect them, but from their perspective it does. An important part of their like is being shown to others falsely.

    As for the rest of your comment, it seems like you’re just generalizing the religious and complaining about religion. I’ve seen nothing to indicate this person has put their faith ahead of individual lives.

  239. Alex Jones
    Alex Jones
    February 24, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    Or just change the character’s name to K-Dawg or KriKri?
    Maybe?

  240. Jarin Jove
    Jarin Jove
    March 8, 2016 at 12:09 am

    Hindus aren’t pissed about anything. That guy doesn’t speak for me as a Hindu and I have no problems with Hindu deities in video games. The problem is that Hindus think their religion will be more respectable if they emulate the Abrahamic tradition of blasphemy, but I think it has done nothing but make Hinduism even more denigrated by other people. But there is absolutely nothing wrong in the theology about depicting deities, even negatively. I’m not just saying that, it really isn’t a problem in the theology. That guy isn’t basing his gripes off the actual religious teachings.

  241. Zubbus
    Zubbus
    March 13, 2016 at 9:56 am

    Well the Hindu’s are upset with their own stereotype. Although if this is a Hindu diety, why the heck does it not wear Indian clothes?

  242. Gamermage
    Gamermage
    April 5, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    Ladies and gentlemen, my thoughts on this. “People being upset with the SMT games because their deity of choice was portrayed in a way different than the way they are comfortable with?” Must be Tuesday. =D

  243. Loki Duck
    Loki Duck
    September 30, 2016 at 2:20 am

    Actually he did. Rajan Zed lead the campaign back a while ago over the portrayal of Hindu figures in Smite which lead to them eventually changing Kali’s design.

    Basically if a popular game (or mainstream culture) has Hindu anything in it, he’s usually right there to ask for it to be stopped.

    He even demanded that a fashion show stop having models be painted like hindu style goddesses and Symmetra’s Goddess skin in Overwatch be removed.

  244. Mark Jackson
    Mark Jackson
    May 13, 2017 at 5:28 am

    Poor Murti lol