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Help Demand a North American Physical Release of Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water

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Nintendo censoring lewd costumes from Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water isn’t the only issue the Wii U-exclusive is experiencing.

Before the game’s localization announcement, passionate fans united under the Operation Zero campaign, and following the news of the game coming west, the unfortunate news arrived – the game was an eShop exclusive in North America, while European and Japanese users were getting a retail copy of the game.

Now, fans are campaigning to get the game a physical release here in North  America, despite Nintendo’s reluctance to address the issue. The mission statement for Operation Zero’s campaign can be found below:

What opzero aims to do is to show publishers (specifically Nintendo of America) that there is a profitable demand for the Fatal Frame (aka project zero) intellectual property and customers have been waiting for this one especially.

What opzero has done so far is provided a voice for customers and fans of the Fatal Frame franchise to convince that this latest game was worthy for western localization. This was an ongoing endeavor that took about a year, but it seems to have worked as illustrated in the Nintendo Direct announcement- image1.JPG
The fact that they specifically acknowledged “fans clamoring” possibly alludes to the fact that Nintendo of America is listening and heard opzero.

16GB is the file size for Fatal Frame 5 so that renders the standard WiiU console ineligible for downloading the game unless NoA is expecting customers to purchase an external hard drive with a power source as well (and a power strip too). Even the deluxe model WiiU which despite being 32 GB is actually closer to 22 GB will not leave much room for anything else.

I know that we’re a bit late on reporting on the campaign itself, however, we have consistently made note of the game being an eShop exclusive here in North America in all of our reports for Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water.

We believe that a physical release for the game is a must as it is getting one in all other territories. With the game launching tomorrow in North America, there is still time to contact Nintendo and let them know you want a physical release of the game, via this online petition. You can also the publisher know via Nintendo of America’s direct contact:

Number: 1-800-255-3700 followed by option 5 and then option 3
Email: This link will get you NOA’s email
Twitter: @NintendoAmerica

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106 comments
  1. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    October 21, 2015 at 10:10 am

    They can keep it digital as far as I care. Even if it was physical, I wouldn’t buy the Nintenyearold censored edition. I’m going on a full boycott of Nintendo as a whole. They need to learn and change. If they don’t get the money, they can’t keep doing this. I’ll just wait til the Wii-U emulator is good enough to run it.

  2. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    October 21, 2015 at 10:14 am

    Physical AND uncensored

  3. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 21, 2015 at 10:25 am

    Sure thing.

  4. gusroar
    gusroar
    October 21, 2015 at 10:26 am

    My sentiments exactly. They lost my interest when they decided to censor the game.

  5. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 21, 2015 at 10:30 am

    I’m probably going to wait until mostly the Wii-U is put out to pasture (which is likely pretty soon) and just mod the hell out of it to have the region-lock removed. XD But yeah…kinda get sick of NOA’s bs.

  6. 2D-Kun
    2D-Kun
    October 21, 2015 at 10:33 am

    It truly is absurd how they killed of the series in the west. Lack of promoción and Americans get stuck w/ this “Hey spend almost $100 to play this $50 game” bullshit. Like seriously… Who in the hell…

  7. 2D-Kun
    2D-Kun
    October 21, 2015 at 10:36 am

    And yes I have called in múltiple times and e-mailed since day 1 of the the campaign. I will not give in to this digital only nonsense. We are not asking for a limited edition of the game, but at least a limited physical run of the game. Take in as many pre-orders they set and thats it. That can’t be too difficult. Other companies have done it.

  8. BaronKrause
    BaronKrause
    October 21, 2015 at 10:37 am

    What he said, they can keep it.

  9. iamarchaeus
    iamarchaeus
    October 21, 2015 at 10:43 am

    ad block off.

    i guess i was wrong about you brandon.

  10. djluke_1993
    djluke_1993
    October 21, 2015 at 10:49 am

    I’m glad the Niche Gamer community isn’t bending over for this one bit. Sites like Gamnesia and their community can actually learn something from this. Censorship is a bad thing unless it needs to be and Nintendo need to learn this. Also yes Physical copies need to be everywhere even if it’s a limited amount like Europe got. Nintendo of America needs to stop fucking around their fanbase and treating them like children. No wonder nobody takes Nintendo seriously.

  11. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    October 21, 2015 at 10:53 am

    Seriously, it’s as if they want this to fail.

    Digital only that takes up a huge amount of HD space, lack of ads to promote interest, and unnecessary censorship for a game that’s rated M. The worst part is that if the game does poorly, NoA will probably take that as a sign that there is little interest in the franchise.

  12. blackice85
    blackice85
    October 21, 2015 at 11:08 am

    I think lack of promotion is the most damning thing of all.

  13. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:13 am

    I appreciate this article and people making a call for a physical release, but I think NoA’s relationship with American Fatal Frame fans is beyond repair already and that it is far too late for them to spin into a retail release. It would only solve one of the barriers to healthy sales (leaving censorship and poor marketing).

    Thanks for the contact details, I’ll be sure to direct all of my concerns as well as many of yours from here or Siliconera: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/10/20/fatal-frame-maiden-of-black-water-might-be-the-best-shooter-on-wii-u/

    We didn’t have specific articles about digital only or censorship but the comments speak for themselves. I’ve cancelled my European preorder of the LE as well.

  14. Juanalf
    Juanalf
    October 21, 2015 at 11:16 am

    Is worthless if is still censored.

  15. InzMovi
    InzMovi
    October 21, 2015 at 11:19 am

    I would help, but it’s censored. It needs to die, and Nintendo needs to know why this release died.

  16. Daniel Rossevelt
    Daniel Rossevelt
    October 21, 2015 at 11:22 am

    Well then call them at the number in the article and tell them that, making up excuses isn’t gonna fix anything, if everyone calls and says they won’t buy a censored game they may address it.

  17. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 11:31 am

    I don’t really care about the ”censorship” the only thing they really changed is NOT having a lingerie outfit. All of the video games content is unchanged and if not having a sexy bra and thong makes you want to boycott a game good riddance. Horny fanboys aren’t what drives a franchise it’s those that actually care for the game itself. The ghosts the story the gore the scares. Not 1 alt outfit that bares it all for you to get off to.

    But the digital only thing is a real breaker. It might not be if this was a different console. If it had the memory capabilities the XBone or PS4 had then this wouldn’t entirely be a problem. It’s the fact that most wii’s can’t even download the game since they are 8gb consoles. Even the 32gb will have massive trouble since most all games on the wii u have DLC it’s hard pressed to download a game this big! I think it’s ridiculous to ask people to buy an external hard drive for 1 game. A full triple A title that is receiving a physical release everywhere else. Nintendo of America has been going bad for awhile but this takes the cake on one of the dumbest business moves they’ve done.

  18. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 11:34 am

    no dude buy the game, but nintendo product used, and the only thing they censored was the bikini outfits…. in all honesty does anybody really care about them?

  19. BaronKrause
    BaronKrause
    October 21, 2015 at 11:35 am

    Really, the digital only thing on a console with an actual hard drive and the ability to plug in an external hard drive in an age where digital only is the only future is your hangup, not the needless censorship?

  20. Nagato
    Nagato
    October 21, 2015 at 11:35 am

    That might sadly go all the way up to the Wii U itself, though.

    And denying a game like this shelf space isn’t gonna do anything to change the overall attitude towards Nintendo either, not to mention censoring it at that.

  21. JoshuaBoudreaux
    JoshuaBoudreaux
    October 21, 2015 at 11:36 am

    Oh cry more, the girls in the game are underage, I can see why they did it, and it does not effect the games sorry what so ever.

  22. blackice85
    blackice85
    October 21, 2015 at 11:37 am

    I feel like they’re just going through the motions. It really saddens me because I backed Nintendo up on a lot of things, but it’s getting real hard to defend them anymore.

  23. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    October 21, 2015 at 11:39 am

    It’s not what got censored that’s the real issue here. It’s that anything got censored at all for an M rated game that has people up in arms. In fact, saying what got taken out is “trivial” just further illustrates how unnecessary the censorship was.

  24. BaronKrause
    BaronKrause
    October 21, 2015 at 11:47 am

    Obviously enough people in Japan did for them to include them in the first place.

  25. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 11:56 am

    It’s a bit irritable they thought it was worth taking out, I don’t disagree with that. Yes it is ‘trivial’ but I’m not ‘missing the point’ many things are censored in ALL horror games released here. Not just fatal frame. I’m happy that they felt the only thing really ‘innapropriate’ and unfitting for the release was 1 side outfit. I’m not boycotting a game over the choice to take out a slutty optional outfit. That’s stupid. If and when they ever change the actual story or ghosts in game something that’s not a side optional just for the male fanboys add in then I will boycott I will go to arms I will raise hell. But it’s stupid to boycott it saying using the excuse that it’s about censorship in general when 90% of the people who have an issue with it are male and really just have an issue with not getting lingerie

  26. Breezer
    Breezer
    October 21, 2015 at 11:56 am

    Look at this faglord

    Have you never been to the beach? Because that’s what you get in the cut content.

    What’s wrong are you scared of girls showing skin?

    Fucking idiot. Why would you be for censorship?

  27. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Once ‘censorship’ impedes the game and its story and the actual gameplay ITSELF yes it will bother me but this trivial and redundant hang up most fans (most male fans anyway, I’ve not really seen one girl complain about it) have is taking away from the issue that MOST PEOPLE CANT PLAY THIS GAME BECAUSE DIGITAL ONLY DOESNT WORK WITH THE WII U. I will have a problem with censorship when it changes the game itself and is not changing 1 sexual side outfit that isn’t a key part of the game. If it was a ghost, if it was the storyline if it was altering death scenes. I would have a huge problem but this is nothing NEW with fatal frame infact they’ve taken out that 1 sexual outfit in MOST games because in most games the girls wearing them were under 18 and it verged on PEDOPHILIA. So no. I have 0 problems with the ‘censorship’ and I think it’s entirely dumb way of distracting from the main problem of almost everyone can’t get the game now because it’ll cost them $100+ now with the added expense of an external hard drive they wont use for any other wii u games aside from this one.

  28. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Bad excuse as no one in Japan knew they were getting them before playing the game lol…. besides that type of fanservice actually sells more in Japan than in America.

  29. BaronKrause
    BaronKrause
    October 21, 2015 at 12:04 pm

    Thats ridiculous. More here complain, but by no means dose sex sell less in America.

  30. gusroar
    gusroar
    October 21, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    “the girls in the game are underage” I’m starting to wonder if people like you who parrot lines like this are capable of distinguishing the difference between fiction and reality.

  31. NuclearCherries
    NuclearCherries
    October 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    Ask for the uncensored version too. Let our voices be heard. Though I bet the new Fire Emblem will get more of a back lash since I bet they will remove a ton of stuff found in that game.
    NoA is truly a terrible company.

  32. devilmaycare34
    devilmaycare34
    October 21, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    Please people, buy a 500 gb external passport hard drive.

  33. devilmaycare34
    devilmaycare34
    October 21, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    A cheap passport hard drive does the trick, unlike the ps4 which doesn’t allow you to just plug a drive in. I started with a 160 gb drive that worked fine, just buy a y split wire. I don’t use the internal space at all. I’ve got quite a few digital games for it now. Plus in the uk our hard copy is sold out. It’s a very limited run

  34. Pico
    Pico
    October 21, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    And if your Wii U breaks you lose all your games

  35. JoshuaBoudreaux
    JoshuaBoudreaux
    October 21, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    Never said I was, just that I can see why this one was done.

  36. RetroGamer
    RetroGamer
    October 21, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    If it’s going to be censored, I don’t want it anyway.

  37. Ryan Barrett
    Ryan Barrett
    October 21, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    This is bullshit and misleading. People have CONFIRMED you don’t need a AC adapter-dependent Hard Drive and that USB “Y-cable” ones work perfectly fine. And the whole thing about whining that you need a power strip… WHO DOESN’T ALREADY HAVE A POWER STRIP?! Fucking crybabies.

  38. Blood-SX
    Blood-SX
    October 21, 2015 at 12:36 pm

    “Well you shouldnt want that content anyway pervert” What kind of thoght process is this? Just because certain material doesnt cater to you doesnt mean that it caters to NO ONE. The thing is most normal fags wont even REACH that content, let alone see it in their own playthroughs. This was an adult only game in japan so in what assbackwards country is it okay to censor content intended for adults?
    “awaawaaa think of the children” If I let my child play fatal frame, then seeing a woman in a god damn bikini is the least of my worries god damn.

    I would totally support a physical release if they would stop tampering with the fucking source material to try and make me avert my eyes from whatever they deem naughty. fuck censorship im a fucking adult.

  39. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    in games like these yeah it kinda does…. shit even people are getting tired of the seeing Jiggling titties from DoA XD (though thats more of the DLC XD) but honestly they just replaced the costume, i rather have them do that and get something in return than nothing at all like what Capcom did with Magneto costume in UMVC3 and Bandai Namco with the Tales of Graces F costume. seriously. what part of the main game as a whole did they take away as a whole when they removed the bikini outfits .

  40. Blood-SX
    Blood-SX
    October 21, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    The outfits give you different battle mechanics. They are completely optional, if you are “tired of seeing fictional womens bodies” then fucking dont use them. There are others that DID want them and would have enjoyed them. Now thanks to faggots like you no one got them.

  41. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    Thanks for the suggestion, I’ve heard of people using hard drives with a y-split wire but I’ve never seen a hard drive with less than 500gb on it. I’ll have to look up passport hard drive. Right now I’m planning to work off of a usb flash drive ‘move game’ system and it’s slow and not the best. Basically just moving games onto different thumbsticks so when I want to play FF4 or Wind Waker HD or Pikmin 3 I can move whatever game is on the wii u onto a flash stick and get the flash drive with the game I want plugged in, transfer it over then play :P it’s a long system but the only one I can afford atm. But a small 160gb hard drive is something I can probably afford!

  42. Love Kindness
    Love Kindness
    October 21, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    I don’t want the physical disc but I do want the costumes.

  43. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    October 21, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    “fictional character that is under 18 is pedophilia”
    I can’t grasp this concept considering how stupid it is actually.

  44. EdgyDude
    EdgyDude
    October 21, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    Considering the review scores it has received I think a physical release is the least of the game’s problems. BTW, any chance for a review from you guys soon?

  45. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    October 21, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    “Horny fanboys”
    “Not 1 alt outfit that bares it all for you to get off to.”
    Yeah let’s shame people who appreciate female bodies.
    That also shows how much you know about japanese (horror) media

  46. Kuso Miso
    Kuso Miso
    October 21, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    “verged on PEDOPHILIA.”
    “I have 0 problems with the ‘censorship'”
    What an age we live in, people saying that fictional characters somehow equates to pedophilia and that they don’t care about censorship, goddammit normalfags.

  47. devilmaycare34
    devilmaycare34
    October 21, 2015 at 1:09 pm

    Something similar to this would do.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00KWHJT7Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1445447078&sr=1-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=external+hard+drive&dpPl=1&dpID=31Tn-h0aawL&ref=plSrch

    The one I used originally was a cheap brand. This was after using the big style hard drive with plug which actually crashed my wii u. It didn’t work quick enough because it was for storage. Go for usb2 because it’s easier to get the y adapter but they probably do them for usb 3 devices as well.

    Just found thesehttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004T2IJ62/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1445447322&sr=8-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=Y+wire+hard+drive&dpPl=1&dpID=312pYw3JQTL&ref=plSrch

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B003HHK576/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1445447322&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=Y+wire+hard+drive&dpPl=1&dpID=41Xe-n8wk%2BL&ref=plSrch

    They should be on amazon.com as well

  48. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    October 21, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    I can’t really comment about censorship in all horror games, but if it’s true then I really feel bad for the fanbase. Being in the position of either supporting unnecessary BS or potentially not getting future games due to lack of sales isn’t a good one.

    At any rate, you say that you’re not missing the point but then go out of the way trivialize the situation and insult gamers in the process by brushing it off as perverts who are mad they don’t get to ogle at the outfits. And you know, I actually don’t think there’s anything wrong with people being upset specifically for the outfits. It’s trivial to me but it might have been a selling point to others, and I’d be upset too if it was taken out for no rational reason whatsoever. But again like I said, most people are angry and worried that this will set an unwanted precedent that will lead to more unnecessary censorship that would eventually lead cut content that actually does matter.

    I think a line has to be drawn at some point and you gotta let Nintendo know with our wallets that we don’t approve of this. And what better time to say “no” with a M rated game that got “trivial” content cut out.

  49. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    okay Considering you feel like you couldnt be respectful and have a civilized debate, I’m just gonna straight up call you what you are: A Cunt. First off. If you’ve played Fatal Frame you would know that Costumes dont offer different battle Mechanics AT ALL. Second Thats exactly what they are OPTIONAL meaning they arent mandatory to enjoy the game to its fullest. and Thirdly: those “Faggots” as you called us would have been happy either way as long we got something whether they kept them or changed them, as along as we get something in return instead of being ripped off. So Go fuck yourself, asshole.

  50. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 21, 2015 at 1:19 pm

    Nintendo is a business. I am sure they did the math. Fatal Frame was never a big seller even on the PS2.

    On the other hand you have KoeiTecmo doing physical releases for Atelier and Ar.

    But the WiiU is not playstation, it doesn’t have the fans of obscure Japanese games.

  51. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 21, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    Mmm how old are they? Technically 16 is the legal age in my country.

    Ofcourse these are fictional characters so you could have 10 year olds in it if Nintendo was cool with that.

  52. sanic
    sanic
    October 21, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    I called nintendo twice and gave feedback explaining my issues, I like the new costumes but they should be in addition to the bikini ones not instead of.

  53. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    October 21, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    Good riddance, normalfag

  54. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 21, 2015 at 1:38 pm

    How fucking stupid can you get the same fucking stupidity mind-set illness of SJWs saying fictional characters that is under-age if it a drawing, computer generated graphic as pedophhilia.

    You may not be a SJW but people are saying like that are acting like one.

    So I come up with this how about you are this group cartoonhillia. CODhilia ETC.

    you like to blow things up shoot people in the head, & like non-fiction cartoon girls so much that you drool.

    SJW logic right there treats cartoon characters as real properly would give them equal rights like real counterparts.

    Can’t see the difference what real or fantasy a special snowflake syndrome.

    That what I see. If you think my post is stupid then that what I think about stupid SJWs thinking fictional characters are real & under-age one are pedophhilia.

  55. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 1:38 pm

    I can’t grasp how sexualizing minors in anything is a-okay fictional or not. If we were talking bestiality or other things it’s still not really acceptable even if it’s just in fiction. There are certain lines one shouldn’t cross? That’s how I feel. May not be how everyone feels. I know when FF2 came out and they cut the sexualized outfit in that game people were pissed but they’re underage teens, I didn’t see it as a wrong choice. That’s just me I guess.

    If not having an alt outfit that’s sexual is reason enough to boycott a game yes I’ll ‘shame those that appreciate the female body’ because that makes it seem like it’s the only interest they have in the game and not the game itself with the story, and the characters and the environment and gameplay. I appreciate the female body too, she’s 19 in this game she could have kept it, but it wont bother me they didn’t want her to be sexualized in game? I respect the choice.

    I don’t have a problem with the alt costume being removed I do however have a huge problem altering the 1 in game movie scene it was used in a non – alt outfit way. It took away from character developement and makes the scene redundant and un-necessary. Seeing as it’s not really a huge part of the story I can let it slide though it really bothers me that was changed. In the grand scheme of things – fixing the availability of the game for others is much bigger then that. Since most people can’t play the game it wont be bought digitally, there for never get a physical release.

    But as for the ‘fictional character under 18 is pedophilia’ I know it isn’t just me that feels pandering after inappropriate outfits on minors even in fictional medias is a bit gross. But I guess that’s a personal thing. I don’t like the idea anyone tries to do that to minors no matter the media format.

  56. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 1:40 pm

    And just who the hell are you?! XD and you couldnt come up with a better insult? xD

  57. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    Only a shame if that 1 outfit is the only reason you’re playing the game and you’re willing to throw out the whole thing and boycott if it’s removed. If the whole games gameplay, story and characters mean that little to you the only reason you want it is for that outfit and aren’t a fan of the whole package and having it taken away is enough to deserve completely trashing it. Then yes. I think that’s a bit shameful. I’m a bit disappointed but by no means is it a reason to completely throw the baby out with the bath water. Based on 1 alt outfit. Many games don’t have all alt outfits in all versions. Many times Japan has a lot more then any other region since they’re normally ones making games with alt outfits.

  58. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    October 21, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    The whole comment can be sum up as:
    -“I can’t tell the difference between reality and fiction”
    -“Real laws and (my personal) morales have to be applied in fictional worlds”
    Good job, normalfag.

  59. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    well ur right about it not being a big seller….But remember though Games 1-3 each sold more in America than in Japan and Europe combined. if anything, Amercan fans deserve better treatment

  60. Jon Snow
    Jon Snow
    October 21, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    I wouldn’t buy physical or digital since the company feels the need to dictate what adults can and can’t see.

  61. Pico
    Pico
    October 21, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    I live in a south american country, i cant send it for repairs; a lot of people have the same problem

  62. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    I don’t have problems with 1 outfit being taken away because some thought it was over sexualized. That is not morbid censorship. If they cut out all blood, death sequences, any portion of the story that is actually about the story of anything relevant that would be going too far. An outfit? Not so much.

    FF2 did verge on pedophilia with sexualized outfits for 15 year olds and it was a problem then. Now, this girl is 19 and the outfit would have had some scuttle butt but not much. It was a bit of a redundant decision making it be removed. It’s something less we’ll get that doesn’t entirely make sense. But that being said it’s 1 alt outfit. That has almost nothing to do with the game. When most games released already don’t have all alt outfits the JP version does I’m not sure why having the 1 sexy outfit removed is reasons for boycott. I find it ridiculous how much importance people mostly us guys give to that 1 outfit. If it was her main outfit in the regular version of the game and had extensive reasoning yes it would be horrible removing it but it is an alternative outfit. 1 alternative outfit. We are being given others instead. It doesn’t really matter.

    yes I do think that if a fictional character is under 18 and being sexualized it still is a form of pedophilia as it would be in a book or a manga or anime or movie or any other format. It’s not something that makes me comfortable. It’s not something I enjoy. Thankfully – this particular character is not young. I’m still unsure why it ‘needed’ to be removed in nintendo’s eyes. But I don’t see it as a huge problem that it WAS removed. It’s just an outfit. It’s not the games story or gameplay or environment.

  63. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    I still feel it’s something that shouldn’t be done or enjoyed, but that’s just me. I don’t see the use of throwing around fag, but if the topic means that much to you I’m sorry I feel differently. Agree to disagree I guess

  64. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 21, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    No that doesn’t make sense.

    You do NOT agree to disagree.

    You want to stop other people from enjoying a game.

  65. RetroGamer
    RetroGamer
    October 21, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    Might wanna glance at the URL and see what site you’re on, dude.

  66. John Smith
    John Smith
    October 21, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    16gb? My Wii-U only has 2gb and thats reserved for smash

  67. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    Unfortunate as it is, most parts in JP horror games to NA region there are things in almost every game removed. Many in Fatal Frame specifically in the past which is why I’m shocked at the huge outrage at this one outfit because this franchise specifically has done this before.

    Personally I rather see outcry over how BS it is to need to buy an external drive for the game cause that cost more money and it’s ridiculously stupid. Yelling at nintendo for taking out 1 outfit might make them just give up on releasing the franchise here ever again because they have the mind set ‘we do what we want with our games content’ where as the physical release issue is a problem they probably didn’t think through. We haven’t seen a FF game here in 8years I think? maybe 10. I just don’t think that the censorship of 1 outfit is the fight we should be taking to nintendo at this time. Maybe after we get a physical release, the next game is announced for release here then we can start on that side of things. TILL THEN I feel we should keep hammering solely on they physical edition and let this 1 outfit slide. That’s just personal opinions though. Some feel you let them slide on that one outfit they’ll take out more! but they’ve never taken out more. FF has always removed some of the more questionable outfits in NA releases. It’s just what Koei Tecmo feels comfortable doing.

    Maybe it’s a problem because people thought this day in age they’d stop doing that in FF game?

  68. Experiment #626
    Experiment #626
    October 21, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    signed. I was really looking forward to this game but I don’t want to be treated like a child, I want a full and uncensored product.

  69. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    I get that, and while i am too am upset about the lack of physical software and the pointless censorship for optional costumes (though u do like nintendo costumes more). the whole idea of boycotting the game altogether and denying yourself from playing its just, kinda wtf , you know?

  70. H.S
    H.S
    October 21, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    I’ve been writing in to Nintendo of America and calling ever since they announced the game to be digital only just in North America. Even though Nintendo of America is notorious for ignoring all messages and feedback from their fans, in the end, you can’t say we Fatal Frame fans didn’t try.

  71. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    October 21, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    Go back to your nest or whatever you came from.

  72. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 21, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    Eh, can’t necessarily agree with that logic (since I would have to boycott pretty much every localization company on Earth – they’ve all done it at least once in some fashion), but I do admire your conviction.

    That said, yeah, NoA has been pulling this stunt for far too long.

  73. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 21, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    That why I like about this site, they cover gamergate from last year, they against censorship just like me. & talk about a whole range of topics.

    The reason censorship topics keep coming up is the hint is in the website name.

    NICHEgamer NICHE = surreal looking games not the well known triple AAA titles. & in the NICHE market comes the dreaded Fanservice as ECCHI games or the sexual overdrive of HENTAI & it’s because of this censorship rears its ugly head.

  74. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    nah I like it here, I’m going to stay <3

  75. H.S
    H.S
    October 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    Do you have any specifics examples of outfits removed from the North American versions of Fatal Frame 1-3? I’ve been researching this matter myself, but I haven’t found any examples yet.

    I know Miku’s design was changed in the North American version of Fatal Frame 1 to make her look more westernized, though this wasn’t for censorship reasons.

  76. Kuso Miso
    Kuso Miso
    October 21, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    ” any portion of the story that is actually about the story of anything relevant that would be going too far.”
    Here’s the thing normalfag, one of the girls is a gravure idol, and she appears on bikini on one of the cutscenes to illustrate that, using the costumes also makes the game harder since you are more vulnerable in them.
    And it doesn’t matter if it’s just one costume, censorship is censorship and no one should support it, and nobody cares that you feel “uncomfortable” the world doesn’t revolve around you.

  77. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    Then you have not supported most fatal frame games or purchased them considering many of them have taken out 1 costume in NA region release? People are saying not to support the game and flame the companies for their decision when it’s one they’ve made quite a few times before just this release.

  78. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    Technically we’re assuming it’s for censorship purposes. They could have removed the outfit for westerners thinking they’d enjoy the zelda and ZSS outfits more. I know in quite a few regions (not ours specifically since it was never released here) they removed a few outfits from FF2 the remake. I forget which regions specifically had them removed but it was more then one. I also thought Miku’s design change as any fits their version of ‘censorship’ until Tecmo themselves says it was removed as a censor I’m not going to really jump on the NoA censorship bandwagon. This isn’t new for games, it’s not new for Fatal Frame by any means. I don’t believe it was nintendo’s decision since this was the actual in game content. I feel Tecmo did what they felt was necessary for us. As for production, that lies more with nintendo then Tecmo

  79. Reon
    Reon
    October 21, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    At this point, why?
    You can get the game digital anyway, and it doesn’t matter how you get it, it’s still censored.
    They should ask for an uncensored and physical release instead.

  80. Kuso Miso
    Kuso Miso
    October 21, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    No matter how many times they did it in the past it is still a shitty thing to do.
    People are not ignorant was they once were, i want to believe in that, but it’s really hard.

  81. Reon
    Reon
    October 21, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    Next is xenoblade X.
    I was hyped for that game but now I think I’ll wait until the WiiU emulator can handle it.

  82. matthews
    matthews
    October 21, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    This is entirely true though I think this more lies with problems people have with a bikini-less game then a censored one. I’ve seen no such uproar like this for content in a game unless it revolved around sexualized content. I find it sad that this is what’s most important to some people and using the front of censorship is wrong just because of a bikini missing from a game is a bit pointless and sad to me <– this is one guy's opinion.

    If you're really hardcore against censorship of ANY degree in any media and you're actively reaching out to people on each and every indication of it. By all means go for it! If that's what you really wanna stand by I have no issue with it.

    However in games specifically there are VERY few people against censorship for pretty much anything except sexyness. Once that's taken away people throw fits the games not good enough and to them it looses all value. THAT is what I have a problem with. Those are not real fans of the franchise. If seeing a cgi girl in a bikini is worth more then the story of the game then good don't get it, don't be a part of the fandom.

    Tired of people using the 'censorship is wrong' excuse when I've never seen them use it for anything else except wanting to see more skin. I am all for the fight against it when it's really a fight against censorship itself and having a big problem with it and in many games it has been used and feels odd and uncomfortable. Changing zombie natzi's to something else because it was too 'inappropriately themed' making many war games censor and change because they feel it's not right. There's a LOT of game censorship. But don't hide behind that when that's not what's really bothering you ya know?

    Not saying you aren't! Just explaining my frustration since this is why I feel so extreme about the one outfit not being an issue. It isn't an issue for most people except some guys that want more sexy girls. I mean we forced Square Enix to change the design of a leading male character because he was showing a lot of skin, no one has qualms with this? I find it weird when the shoe (or in this case bikini) is on the other female foot people suddenly have issue.

  83. Blood-SX
    Blood-SX
    October 21, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    What you dont seem to understand friend is that if you dont like them they are OPTIONAL to YOU faglord. They are there, however, meaning that their existance creates a full experience of the game to that person. Now theyre removed and yes it pleases all you censor happy fucks, but how are the people that WANTED the costumes pleased? You think they threw us a bone with the ZSS and Zelda, why didnt they just add them on top? Why was this necessary at all when no one asked for it?

  84. H.S
    H.S
    October 21, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    The European version of Fatal Frame 2 Wii had several outfits entirely removed from the game, but that was Nintendo of Europe’s doing. Spirit Camera also had at least one outfit edited to be less revealing, but again that was done by Nintendo of America/Nintendo of Europe.

    I’ve read comments on several other sites that every English release of a Fatal Frame game has had outfits removed/edited, even the games released before Nintendo was in control of the series. It’s true that NoA/NoE have censored outfits in every Fatal Frame game they’ve touched, though I haven’t yet seen any evidence of this in the PS2 versions of Fatal Frame 2 and 3.

  85. Blood-SX
    Blood-SX
    October 21, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    Didnt they change the girls’ ages in the game anyway so that they WOULDNT be underage? How is this even an argument

  86. ShadowCynthia
    ShadowCynthia
    October 21, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    Whenever i buy a game, I want the full game, Yes the costumes are optional but they are part of the game and to remove them means to remove a piece of the game, just because there are over sensitive people who don’t know how to handle video game costumes that aren’t hurting anyone and that do add a sense of diversity to the game, so you can either roleplay the game in a completely different way and experience it differently than others. and with them making this a 16 GB download which will take up half of the wii u’s disk space is unconscionable. Nintendo needs to do better, yes they have 10 billion in their bank account but that doesn’t mean they should get to decide what us; their audience deserves as entertainment. we control what they sell the most of and we decide if a game is even worth it or if their business practices are just or unjust. Instead of boycotting nintendo as I’ve read some of you said you are doing, I believe that we need to send a message to NOA telling them that we as the fans and the people who buy their products and keep them afloat deserve more from them, and just because america isn’t their target demographic doesn’t mean we deserve less than the rest of the world.

  87. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    *sighs* straight guy calling a gay guy a fag, tale as old as time. Look bud i never said i was happy with censor ship with costumes. I in fact despise they did it in a rated M game for thats pointless. but I would be more upset if they fucked up with the main game than rather something is optional, and who knows….maybe if you complain to them more enough about it then maybe they’ll add it later as FREE DLC. and what Full experience? BOTH The Nintendo and Bikini costumes turn the horror game into a fucking a comedy LOL (though the nintendo costumes are more badass looking) ,,,, but here’s the thing….in America, We havent seen a Fatal Frame game in just little under than TEN YEARS…. Ten YEARS we went without getting a game unless we modded our Wii consoles which im sure most of us didnt. And now finally after all this time we are getting the game.(Despite having to fight for a physical copy cause that alone is Bullshit) But instead of finally acknowledging that there is at least a way to play this game without having to mod or import systems after all this time. You take it up to yourself to fully denying yourself from playing the game at ALL , a game you’ve been BEGGING FOR because of one fucking item that is irrelevant, both positively and Negativley, to main games story, gameplay mechanics and graphics. instead of showing to support the series as a whole you Choose to get butthurt over some bullshit item thats completely fucking stupid. then you know what? Here’s my advice to you. you want to use the Bikini costumes so bad? Then go buy a Japanese Wii U, and import the game . there you go kill two birds with one stone you get your titties and physical copy, so you’ll win more at life! Yes the censoring sucks as a whole you’re right… but OMG at least we’re getting something else instead of nothing AT ALL. at least nothing is being done to the main game itself AT ALL. so rather than denying yourself from playing a really fucking awesome game and actually trying to destroy the series by boycotting the company thats the only one publishing as of now and ruin the chance of getting more FF games in the future, fucking buy the game (hopefully physical if they actually decide to) and call nintendo about it and keep pressuring them about it , but for Gods Sake Shut the fuck about an item so trivial that you’ll probably would just bitch if they gave Yuri and Miu to cover apart of the bikini instead. . Seriously, you want to play a game with a whole bunch of titties and the enemies are the undead so bad? Then go back to playing Oneechanbara.

  88. Blood-SX
    Blood-SX
    October 21, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    You just went full autist fag. Thats a nice wall of text there but I didnt say 99% of the shit you think I said. The cool thing abot words that have multiple meanings is that when you use them as an insult you let the reader decide how he is being insulted. How in gods green earth am i gonna know you really are a fag unless you tell me? I also like how you dictate my own sexual orientation by my use of language. So thanks for that I guess. Anyway you fail to understand that Im not just gonna lap up anything NoA throws at me because I want Fatal Frame. Those costumes would provide a full experience and have me thoroughly enjoy my game. Other people got to, why cant i? because i live in the west? fuck off

  89. DarkJokerOfAmuro
    DarkJokerOfAmuro
    October 21, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    oh Grow up, NA isnt the only one getting not the costumes, Europe isnt getting them either. so no, not everyone else is getting them this isnt the first game at all (not even by nintendo) to do shit like this. if anything it goes from Censorship to being Region Exclusive

  90. blackice85
    blackice85
    October 21, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    Not only that, but under 18 doesn’t automatically equate to pedophilia, that specifically means pre-pubescent.

  91. Blood-SX
    Blood-SX
    October 21, 2015 at 5:35 pm

    “youre not the only one getting screwed over so please bend over”

    Yeah Region Excluse would be a cool answer if said regions didnt go out of their way to take them OUT of other regions.

    i dont give a shit if this is the first time this has happened or not, ive been playing vidya for 26 years you think i havent learned how to use my own head? I dont support censorsip in any way shape or form. I am not blaming KoeiTecmo Im not blaming Fatal Frame, im blaming the faggots that thought these costumes were too much for my eyes to see

  92. tccboss
    tccboss
    October 21, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    I’m wondering if we can get this uncensored too.

  93. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 21, 2015 at 6:06 pm

    With those review scores, it ain’t happening.

  94. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 21, 2015 at 6:08 pm

    How about Nintendo implement a digital account system from the 21st century?

  95. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 21, 2015 at 6:10 pm

    So you don’t buy any games at all? Because every company has censored something at some point in the past.

  96. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    October 21, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    Nintendo of America won’t care as they didn’t want to bring the game here in the first place.

  97. Kraken
    Kraken
    October 21, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    i realy wanted to get this game but having to buy my wiiu its own special external just so i can play it is a deal breaker. (not to mention the cut content) if they decide to put it out uncensored and on a disc i would definitely shell out the cash for it.

  98. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    October 22, 2015 at 12:59 am

    Saying it’s about censorship is not an excuse. Just because you don’t care about it doesn’t mean others don’t.

    I’m not upset because I won’t get to drop my pants to some pixels, there’s an entire chunk of the internet to take care of that.

    And slutty? It’s a bikini! Have people really gone so puritanical that this is too slutty? I see more revealing clothing at the beach, and so do many kids all over the world at beaches.

    I’m sick and tired of Nintendo treating their customers like children not allowing them to decide what content they want to consume for themselves then turning around and claiming their systems are for the ‘hardcore gamer’.

    I love Nintendo, I grew up with them, but I find them driving me away from their systems and games more and more every year. I’ll stick to PC where I can decide for myself whether I want to ignore or see this type of content. I was actually going to buy a Wii U for this game. Not anymore.

  99. InfectedAI
    InfectedAI
    October 22, 2015 at 1:03 am

    That’s completely naive. They would’ve simply added the Zelda/Samus outfits if they thought westerners would enjoy those more. They wouldn’t have removed the other ones.

    Also, Nintendo owns the Fatal Frame IP in part and it’s their system so they most certainly can overrule Tecmo and make them change content.

    As for not being surprised because this has happened before that’s silly. The last Fatal Frame game released in America was for the PS2. It’s been a long time since then and Nintendo has talked up being a platform with mature content for hardcore gamers a lot since then. So yes, people had hope that such censorship was in the past.

  100. TWE
    TWE
    October 22, 2015 at 1:46 am

    I think it would be more constructive to email Tecmo-Koei about not releasing these sorts of titles for Nintendo or anymore titles for Nintendo. Tell them you like this title but are disappointed with what the other folks have done to it.

    Heck, they actually listened to Atelier fans when they failed to put in dual-audio for Ayesha and all subsequent Atelier titles thus far have had them put back. Nintendo is slow to change their ways so it’s better to take it to someone who will actually consider what you have to say.

    They’ve got a contact page and everything, so send your “fuck off”s to the NOA contacts and then send your support to:
    http://www.koeitecmoamerica.com/

  101. 22
    22
    October 22, 2015 at 7:46 am

    They’re 17 and 19.

  102. 22
    22
    October 22, 2015 at 7:48 am

    17 and 19 isn’t underage.

    Besides models at those ages appear in bikinis all the time.

  103. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 22, 2015 at 8:12 am

    Oh? Thanks.

    But then what the FUCK are people going on about?

    I have seen lingerie models that were 15 years old. In meatspace, not videogame.

  104. Maiq TheLiar
    Maiq TheLiar
    October 25, 2015 at 2:35 am

    Only if it’s uncensored. The fact that this issue even Exists is bullshit.

  105. Travis Touchdown
    Travis Touchdown
    October 28, 2015 at 12:39 am

    >Censored

    It’s rather laughable to me how people are making a stink about this, considering how it’s not necessarily a bad thing that these things were changed.

    The game, of course, is still great. It says a lot about your userbase when they are more upset at a couple of costume changes than thankful that they are getting the game at all.