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Hatred Returns to Steam’s Greenlight [UPDATE]

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[Editor’s note: the article has been edited for clarity.

UPDATE: Gabe Newell, the co-founder and managing director of Valve Corporation, has apparently apologised to Destructive Creations for Hatred’s removal from Steam’s Greenlight service. According to Creative Director Jarosław Zieliński, Newell emailed him the following:

“Hi, Jarosław.

Yesterday I heard that we were taking Hatred down from Greenlight. Since I wasn’t up to speed, I asked around internally to find out why we had done that. It turns out that it wasn’t a good decision, and we’ll be putting Hatred back up. My apologies to you and your team. Steam is about creating tools for content creators and customers.

Good luck with your game.”

Destructive Creations still have no idea why their game was initially removed from Greenlight.]


Yesterday we wrote about Hatred‘s entry into Steam Greenlight, and its subsequent removal from the service.

Now the game’s returned to Greenlight, without explanation. Have a look for yourself.

If you’ve already voted on it, you don’t need to do so again, as the system seems to have retained the votes that were cast prior to the game’s removal. Those of you who haven’t yet expressed your opinion now have the opportunity to do so.

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Before the game was banned, it had apparently acquired 13 148 yes votes, and reached the seventh-most wanted spot in the service’s top 100 prospective games, according to a screenshot taken by the developers, Destructive Creations, themselves (click the image above to enlarge).

We’ve contacted Destructive Creations for clarification on this turnaround.

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48 comments
  1. Nin
    Nin
    December 16, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    I’m confused about what is going on. Steam should give a statement.

    Even though they did put it back,I still somewhat distrust them. Therefore, I decided to cut my Steam spending. I’ll only buy games that I greenlit and things with a 60% sale or more, effective until I feel like it.

  2. Macavity
    Macavity
    December 16, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    I’d love to know just what triggered the removal, and why that decision was reversed – perhaps this is another Plebcomics incident?

  3. Firion Hope
    Firion Hope
    December 16, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    Good… I think?

  4. Jim
    Jim
    December 16, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    I have avoided almost everything about this game because I personally find the premise abhorrent, but even with my own personal distaste for this type of game I still believe it should have the right to enter the free market, making me uncomfortable shouldn’t be enough to restrict our freedoms. I hope Valve has realized that now.

  5. aboveup
    aboveup
    December 16, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Steam. Go home. You’re drunk.

  6. BlueLight
    BlueLight
    December 16, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Steam giving a statement on a mistake is like asking steam to have a some kinda of official refund policy.

    Then again getting this game readded to steam was like getting steam to have some kinda of official refund policy.

  7. Cy
    Cy
    December 16, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    I really want some clarification from Steam and the developers about this whole thing.

  8. Dimi Gronnings
    Dimi Gronnings
    December 16, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    “effective until I feel like it”

    You’ve been staring into Valve’s abyss for too long, I see.

  9. LenLovecraft
    LenLovecraft
    December 16, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Oh shit I wonder if the emails we sent valve actually had an effect? Yay!

  10. Adriano Varoli Piazza
    Adriano Varoli Piazza
    December 16, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    You do know that a private company deciding what to sell is an integral part of the free market, right?

  11. Adriano Varoli Piazza
    Adriano Varoli Piazza
    December 16, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    They do have a refunds policy. It’s “no refunds”.

  12. Domhnall
    Domhnall
    December 16, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    Good.

    Honestly, I probably won’t buy this game. It looks boring to me. However, the fact that it was taken down despite not being rated (I would understand Steam taking the page down if it was rated AO given their stance on AO games) and despite the fact that there were many games as bad or worse content-wise irked me so much that I wrote several e-mails detailing my dissatisfaction and saying I would no longer buy anything on Steam.

    I’m especially glad it’s back on because I honestly don’t know if I would have been able to carry through with that threat.

  13. Jim
    Jim
    December 16, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    You do know that a private company implemented steam greenlight so that market forces/consumer demand could dictate what products go on the service, right?

  14. araushi
    araushi
    December 16, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    Simply putting it back is as much of a statement as we can expect I think. I don’t mind, actions speak louder than words.

  15. sanic
    sanic
    December 16, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    Lets see if it makes it further.

  16. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    December 16, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    While it should have never been removed to begin with, putting it back up is a step in the right direction at least.

  17. Eliah Ryan
    Eliah Ryan
    December 16, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    I’m surprised with the amount of votes they haven’t greenlit it yet, maybe they are waiting for the controversy to die down before a stealth greenlight or maybe they will never greenlight it and just leave it hanging there.

  18. Condorito Jones
    Condorito Jones
    December 16, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    Inb4 Valve removes all extreme violence videogames as a fuck you to anyone who criticized them.

  19. ReaperX30
    ReaperX30
    December 16, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    In my opinion the game is no different than playing GTA Online just shooting at civilian and police or running over people with a car….we’ve all done that. Anyway I hope they decide to keep it.

  20. Steven
    Steven
    December 16, 2014 at 11:49 pm

    It’s also worth noting that Steam almost has a monopoly for online PC game sales. This isn’t like Bob’s Games and Pet Supplies decided not to carry it. Steam has too much market power to be making moral decisions for their customers. If they want to remove it because it is incomplete or broken, I’m all for it. But I don’t want them making any decisions based on perceived morality or political agendas. It is far too slippery of a slope.

  21. Jason
    Jason
    December 17, 2014 at 12:02 am

    Glad it’s back.

    Hope Steam will review the people responsible for removing it, the whole thing feels like an employee acted on his own without authorization.

  22. darke
    darke
    December 17, 2014 at 1:16 am

    There’s a ‘report’ button on the greenlight pages. I would expect like a lot of those buttons, if it gets hit a lot, the page is automatically hidden for a human to review it.

    There was probably no ’employee’ and no ‘authorization’; just an algorithm doing what it’s supposed to. Presumably someone eventually took a look at it, didn’t see anything wrong, and it was made visible again; but only after the internet went into it’s usual hysterics of course.

  23. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    December 17, 2014 at 2:24 am

    I’ve seen speculation that the removal wasn’t due to violence but use of the NYPD’s copyrighted logo

    I didn’t put any stock in it, but the fact that it is now blurred suggests that this was actually the reason for removal (or at least a thin excuse)

  24. Adam Gulledge
    Adam Gulledge
    December 17, 2014 at 3:00 am

    To be frank, the refund policy Steam has would make me just as likely to buy games at less than half their asking price.

    No sense in playing full price only to find out you have a non-functioning game on a service that won’t honor refunds.

  25. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 17, 2014 at 3:48 am

    Hoping they give a proper explanation for its initial removal and its return.

    Either way, I said last time that I changed my mind about creating a steam account in the previous article. I guess if user reaction was what changed their mind then I won’t have a problem doing business with them now. I’m still just a bit miffed that it was removed at all though unless they had a better reason than not wanting to be called bad things by people who likely aren’t even their customers.

  26. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 17, 2014 at 3:51 am

    From my understanding, Steam Greenlight is supposed to be used to gauge whether the users wanted the game at all. If they didn’t want to sell it in the first place, I feel it shouldn’t have been eligible for users to vote on from the start. Moreso when it had a 93% approval rate at the time it was removed.

  27. MaidKillua
    MaidKillua
    December 17, 2014 at 5:04 am

    I’m never actually going to play this game, in all honesty I think it looks awful and probably wouldn’t enjoy it at all. Still good that they put it back

  28. BlueLight
    BlueLight
    December 17, 2014 at 6:42 am

    Hmmmm “unless required by local law, we do not offer refunds” local law you say?

  29. Adriano Varoli Piazza
    Adriano Varoli Piazza
    December 17, 2014 at 7:06 am

    So this is not exactly a free market anymore.

  30. Adriano Varoli Piazza
    Adriano Varoli Piazza
    December 17, 2014 at 7:08 am

    You mean all the signs “The house reserves the right of admission” on stores mean nothing? Once I’m in, I can’t be thrown out?

  31. Adriano Varoli Piazza
    Adriano Varoli Piazza
    December 17, 2014 at 7:12 am

    If I open a store like steam or etsy or threadless, and one creator tries to sell anything through it, I still have the right to say “hey, that’s not what I want people to see in my store”, at any point of the process, even if many people want it. Customers can go away in disgust, of course, or they can demand it be put back for sale (as people are doing).

    You are right that it would have been better not to even display it in the first place. To that, I can only say that maybe there’s more than one person working at Steam Greenlight in the validation process.

  32. Adriano Varoli Piazza
    Adriano Varoli Piazza
    December 17, 2014 at 7:14 am

    Settle down. I was posting from a phone, shouldn’t have. Their policy is not exactly “No refunds”, right. I stand corrected.

  33. JackDandy
    JackDandy
    December 17, 2014 at 7:27 am

    FUCK YEAH GABEN

  34. MasterV
    MasterV
    December 17, 2014 at 8:06 am

    Correction.

    They took a look at it, decided to take it down despite it’s popularity, had the VP of marketing publibly say it’s not something they’d like to sell and after people told Valve that they might as well take their money elsewhere (they usual hysterics, of course), Valve realized their mistake.

  35. Jim
    Jim
    December 17, 2014 at 8:48 am

    My god your thinking is limited, no one is saying Valve can’t do what they want in their house, we are arguing that it is an incredibly slippery slope for them to open themselves up too. If they open a can of worms filtering content for this purpose, they will find themselves being put to task every single time a new game comes out that ruffles feathers. “If you removed Hatred why wont you remove (Insert Game Here)”. I am saying that is not a productive use of Greenlight or Valves time, evidently they agree if they are allowing it back on the platform so I believe your argument should be taken up with them.

  36. lucben999
    lucben999
    December 17, 2014 at 10:43 am

    An organization that attains that much market dominance essentially becomes the market and should gain some extra responsibilities because of that. The suppression of a creative work from this service for nebulous and inconsistent political reasons is extremely worrying and unfair to developers.

    Valve either had to clarify the rules or put the game back up, I don’t see how they could have clarified the rules in a way that would disallow Hatred but allow games like GTA, Postal, Manhunt, etc. so they simply chose to put the game up again.

    Also if your worry honestly is with the free market (highly unlikely), Valve responded to market demand when they restored this game as well.

  37. Random45
    Random45
    December 17, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Actually, I’ve gotten a refund before. As long as you’re pretty reasonable and explain your situation, they’ll give you the money back.

  38. Topgeartony
    Topgeartony
    December 17, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    I can’t get over that Have himself had to get involved. It’s like God himself getting up off his throne to sort shit out.

    Just proves how serious the whole thing is.

  39. TheRandomNonsenseMerchant
    TheRandomNonsenseMerchant
    December 17, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    I always find the “private companies can do what they want” mentality hilarious when it comes to a PC games platform that is so dominant that being on Steam will multiply sales to thousands of times the amount that a game gets when not on there. Totalbiscuit often mentions the attitude of people who won’t buy games not on Steam, so if Valve pulls a game for no reason there’s really no appropriate word for it other than censorship. Good to see they realised this and I’m hoping they don’t get bullied into a U-turn before Hatred’s release, although that seems unlikely.

  40. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    December 17, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    True, but having double standards on your admission process doesnt sit well with game devs aspiring to get into your store, and doesn’t do much good to your image when it spreads out to the public.

    There are game devs that, to this day, refuse to sell games on the Apple store despite it having a bigger portion of paying users because of Apple’s maleable judging process.

    Also, the fact that “Greenlight” is Steam’s way of mostly outsourcing the curation of steam games to the users and that this game didn’t infringe on any of their general guidelines also taints their image, especially when overwhelming support was shown to it.

    Consumers are a part of the free market, and they are entitled to complain when they see idiotic behavior from a certain corporation. Thankfully, it worked.

  41. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    December 17, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    Valve really cares about community feedback, unlike other companies.

  42. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    December 17, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    If this was the reason, they would have clarified it by now. It would make them look even better.

  43. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    December 17, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    I got 2 refunds, and I got the “you have only ONE refund” message both times. I had good reason to ask for them, though (DRM not disclosed).

  44. Malcolm_Ecks
    Malcolm_Ecks
    December 17, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    Damn Gabe. Way to non-answer.

  45. Softclocks
    Softclocks
    December 18, 2014 at 3:46 am

    It never was and it sure as shit shouldn’t be.

    Wake up americunt.

  46. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 18, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Don’t get me wrong. It’s always the store’s prerogative to decide what they want to sell and I won’t argue that, although it’s preferable if the store had a TOS that outlined what they can and can’t sell in that case. I mean if my local department store told me they won’t allow me to sell my product there, I’d love to know why. Then I can agree when they show me their TOS or some other similar document clearly outlining that they don’t stock penis-shaped cellphones on their shelves.

    But I’m glad to see you understand what about this is upsetting for me. I still would love to hear from Valve what part of their TOS the game violated to have it removed the first time, if there was any violation at all.