#GamerGate Interview – Christian Allen Edition

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I had a fan connect me with a very interesting person on Twitter the other day, who turned out to be a talented developer who’s worked on major AAA games in the past. You’ve probably heard of if not played a game he’s worked on so, despite our site being all about the “niche games”, the opportunity to speak with someone from the “AAA scene” was exciting.

Thankfully, Christian Allen (pictured above in the black TAKEDOWN shirt with the rest of the devs at Serellan) was very gracious and gave me some time out of his schedule so I could fire some thoughtful questions his way regarding #GamerGate, his experiences in the AAA industry, and the games industry/culture as a whole. I hope you guys enjoy the interview as much as I did!

Niche Gamer: I’d like you to introduce yourself. I understand you’ve primarily worked on AAA games? Could you give us some hints as to what games/companies you’ve worked for?

Christian Allen: I started in games in the late 1990s, modding for the Rainbow Six games.  I worked myself up from Assistant Designer on Ghost Recon: Island Thunder to Creative Director on Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, with follow ups like GRAW2, Halo: Reach, Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor, TAKEDOWN: Red Sabre, and more at Ubisoft, Bungie, Warner Brother Games, and my own studio, Serellan LLC.  My background is in the military, serving the USMC/USAFNG/USANG.

NG: So you seem familiar with #GamerGate and all of the current happenings in the movement. What are your thoughts on the entire thing? Are pro-GamerGate folks a bunch of cis/white/misogynists?

Allen: First off, no, #GamerGaters are not all anti-feminist misogynists.  Just like all #BundyRanch supporters are not all redneck hicks and #Occupy supporters are not all hipster iPhone reading millennials.  Modern social media seems to excel at typecasting and dividing people into groups in order to subjugate actual conversation, I think because it rewards the most vocal and extreme voices in each group.  If you can trumpet the cause more, you get rewarded more.  If you are moderate and measured, you are ignored.

The #GamerGate situation seems to be a mix to me.  I see folks who advocate for fairness in gaming journalism, and then I see giant dicks acting like douchebags against certain folks in the game industry (or people who talk about the games industry).  As a game dev, it’s kind of a confusing situation.  I think the problem is that every time some douchebag goes off the rail and attacks a feminist or a journalist, it gets more press than any sane discussion about the relationship between game publishers and developers and the press who review them.

I could apply a lot of the same criticism of the games press as I could of the car press or the firearms press, but you don’t see the same level of vitriol and personal attacks in those communities.  No one is doxing the designer of the Remington R51 or making fun of the designer of the latest Kia because their dog died.  At some point in the games community (on both sides of this debate, as shown by the recent Stardock kerfuffle), things crossed over from institutional to personal.  Meanwhile the big publishers, the big media corps, and their PR shills sit back and continue to reap the benefits.

We need to discuss ideas, not attack people.

NG: Do you think a legitimate concern for collusion and breaching of ethics at major gaming publications/developers is warranted?

Allen: Yes. Gaming journalism is fucked up. There are folks in game journalism who really want to make games but don’t have the talent, so they get into “journalism” to create a presence, and once they have enough of a following, publishers hire them to be developers, writers, or community managers. I didn’t come up that way. I came up by making game content. I believe that is how you should do it. That being said, there are real games journalists out there, who are actual journalists … they just tend to be rare.

But today, game “journalists” are the stars, even more than the few handpicked games “rock stars”. Put me in a room with Geoff Keighley, or Steven Totillo, or TotalBiscuit, guess who is recognized. It’s like the opposite of sports where sports stars retire to cover games because they are famous football stars. So journalists really want to be in the industry, so they can’t be real journalists, or else they’ll screw their future. It’s like if the Watergate duo really wanted to work for Richard Nixon in the future. It’s a screwed system.

NG:  How do you feel about the “gamers are dead” articles? Is there substance to that argument, or are they purely a bait for pushing an agenda?

Allen: Even with my friends who are gamers who tire of the “gamergate” drama, this whole idea of “gamers are dead” makes us want to puke. Regardless of what you think of the gamer culture, there still will be the pro-gamers playing League of Legends, the cos-players dressing as Resident Evil characters, and the Twitchers streaming Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. Has any of this drama reduced this? No. Gaming evolves, like it always had.  My wife and daughter spend more time playing Haystack or whatever it’s called every week than I spend playing AAA games. My daughter is more of a gamer than I was at her age. She is playing interactive social games while I was outside playing in the dirt on a mountain in Alaska.

NG: A bit off topic, but do you think people who don’t play video games should be embraced as critics of them? Does their lack of experience invalidate their arguments?

Allen: You have to at least experience games to be qualified to discuss them. I’ve testified in court cases where lawyers try and argue about video games, and it is obvious they have never touched one, and it’s incredibly easy to dismantle their arguments, because they base their arguments on things they’ve read. It’s like trying to argue with Roger Ebert if you had never watched a movie. You see the same stupid shit in the evangelical communities, where people want to ban an Oliver Stone movie without ever seeing it.  Or the NRA holding up a copy of Mortal Kombat.

I have a friend who is a child psychologist. She is a great child psychologist. She is an expert in dealing with kids.  But she doesn’t know crap about video games, and still clings to the old “Grand Theft Auto is bad” take on video games. She is as qualified to talk about video games as I am to talk about Twilight‘s effect on tweens.  And I have no fucking clue on what effect glittery rapey vampires have on teenage women. So yeah, that is stupid.

NG: Do you think the Independent Games Festival and similar award ceremonies are all glorified sales/networking events? Should gamers even pay attention to them anymore?

Allen: Yes, ignore them.

NG: As a AAA developer, have you ever experienced not receiving a bonus due to a game not being scored “appropriately,” or receiving a high enough Metacritic score? What are your thoughts on this?

Allen: I have not personally experienced this, but I have had fellow game devs that experienced this. A friend in the industry had his bonus based on an 80 Metacritic. He got a 79. He got denied his bonus. This is bullshit because Metacritic is not a real system. It’s a bullshit system based on nothing, except what Metacritic wants. Fuck Metacritic.

NG: The recent blacklist that the International Game Developers Association curiously supported got a lot of concern and backlash. How do you feel about their support of it?

Allen: I have to admit I have not been part of the IDGA for the last few years. So I can’t comment, except to say that I think the IGDA has become increasingly irrelevant among game devs. It’s a group for students and academia, in my honest opinion. I don’t really know what they do now.

NG: How often do gaming publications (big and small) collude with developers for review scores, or exclusives? Is this more common than the public could ever foresee?

Allen: I have personally sat in negotiations where a publisher negotiated a higher review score for a game in exchange for an exclusive cover or assets for a separate upcoming game. It is common, especially with previews. This is why you often see glowing previews of bad games, or pre-release reviews that have to be revised post-launch.

NG: Some outspoken people in GamerGate say that women have trouble getting into the games industry. You’ve worked on many games. Do you think that there is a real avoidance of hiring women in the games industry?

Allen: I’ve worked with tons of talented women in the game industry, both those that worked (directly and indirectly) for me and those that I’ve worked for. I don’t personally think that women have a higher bar of entry into the mainstream games industry than me, in fact on most interview loops I’ve been on about women the general attitude is that it’s a plus, because studios are actively trying to increase diversity and broaden appeal, and see the opportunity to hire a qualified woman to the team as a big bonus.

However, that’s not to say that women in the industry don’t face challenges, just like they do in any modern field. I know women who have been sexually harassed at work or at parties, and a lot of young male game developers can be lewd. I’ve had to deal with gamers commenting on the looks of some of my female employees in the past, and that is annoying (no one says I’m hot when I do an interview!).

I think things may be worse in the younger tech startup scene, but in AAA game dev it seems pretty average compared to the rest of America. Now, I might be biased because in most of my gaming career the executives or producers that I’ve worked for have been as often as not women, so in their organizations they won’t put up with that shit.

NG: Is the games industry really as small as many indie developers make it out to be?

Allen: It’s a pretty tight circle. It’s rare to go to an industry event and not talk to someone who doesn’t at least know someone I’ve worked with. But, there are tens of thousands of workers around the world.

NG: Many indie developers in GamerGate say that there’s a clique within the games industry and games media. Is this something you’ve noticed?

Allen: Yes, there are definitely cliques in the industry with certain members.  I’ve been in and out, and know folks who have been in and out.

NG: What are your thoughts on the GameJournoPros mailing list/group? Is it at all acceptable that game journalist can collude together like that, i.e. decide to cover a story or not, or what actions should taken with an employee?

Allen: It’s really quite creepy. Any time journalists from any community are getting together and self-censoring, I don’t believe it’s a good thing. Competition in a journalist community should not be about regulating a message, it should who can get the best scoop in what the readership values as news.

NG: How do you feel about youtubers? Are they the new games journalists?

Allen: Well they definitely have become an important part. The trouble is, as with bloggers when they began to replace magazines, there is a danger that they will be absorbed into the games media circles once they reach a certain audience level. Then they will be flying on junkets, going to parties, and having the same motivations to “cut slack” or promote certain products and messages.

NG: Do you think that any game should be censored or banned from being purchased?

Allen: There is only one reason a game should be banned from sale: if it steals copyrighted content. Other than that, no. If you disagree with a game or a developer, don’t buy it. If you don’t like Glenn Beck, don’t buy his books. But you don’t get to tell Glenn Beck that he can’t write books, and he can’t tell me not to publish video games. Well, he can, but I can tell him to sit on it and spin.

NG: Are games themselves sexist by nature? Do games actually cause people to become violent or sexist?

Allen: Of course they aren’t. Are books sexist by nature? But that doesn’t mean that there are not sexist games, nor does it mean games necessarily cater to women in the way that some people would like.

In GRAW, we ended up cutting female characters from MP (we added them back in, in GRAW2). The producers made the call, based on time (money), resources (money), and technical reasons (money), it wasn’t feasible.  I wasn’t happy with this (I had previously said publicly that they would be in), but I couldn’t make the call. Production looked at the cost, and looked at the demographic split, and made the call. On Halo Reach, I had to have the exact same discussion.

I wanted a fully playable female character, but there was pushback from a development and resource perspective of whether it was worth it based on the audience. I felt it was. Luckily it stayed in the game, and Noble 6 could be played as yourself, whether you were male or female. But it was still a decision that was made based on positive impact vs technical and resource impact (a lot easier when you have the Halo budget vs the Ghost Recon budget).

As far as games content, it really is subjective. Is God of War sexist?  Is the movie Conan sexist? Is GTA ok if I can also beat a male hooker to death after having sex with him to get my money back?  Is it sexist if I make a WWI trench warfare game that does not contain female playable characters? You can go on and on. What is sexist is subjective. Should we censor what you believe is sexist? NO. But if there is no market for it, it won’t exist.

NG: Are supporters of Gamergate in danger of getting blacklisted, and or not having a chance in the gaming industry?

Allen: The problem is, that legitimate Gamergate folks interested in quality game journalism are getting lumped in with a bunch of douchebags who are acting like douchebags and pissing everyone off. I think maybe it’s at a point where a new call to action is needed. Stop empowering whiners who get attacked by idiots on the internet, and get rid of the idiots.  Create a new movement to empower gamers.

The whole discussion is confused, between game journalism, feminism, liberalism, masculinity, etc. It’s a mess, and to an outsider, it looks like a bunch of people screaming at each other over nothing.

But to your question, no, unless you have personally done or said something wrong, I doubt anyone in the mainstream industry would even know what the hell is going on or notice.

NG: What should GamerGate do as a movement to have a real impact on the games industry? The press?

Allen: Well, I do think it may be time for a rebranding. Most of my game dev friends have tuned out GG because they associate it with internet trolls (and game devs deal with a LOT of trolls over the years doing stupid shit), and if they have, they are just going to ignore them. Also, the semantics kind of suck. A “-gate” normally refers to an event of controversy, not a movement. It’s like saying, are you “pro-Watergate” or “anti-watergate”. It’s just confusing.

NG: What advice do you have for gamers (pro-GamerGate or not) looking for better standards and more enforced ethics?

Allen: Stop going to the standard sites that fill your feed with advertisements. Stop eating the bull. Reach out and look to alternative sites. Form your own opinions. Support devs who support gamers. Don’t join a “side”. Be objective. Don’t be branded.

I’d like to thank Christian for giving me the chance to conduct this interview, I hope it came out as good as we all hoped? I also want to thank one of our fans, Refvgee, for getting me in contact with Christian in the first place. Thanks dude! Hopefully the more interviews we have which give devs a chance to speak openly, without fear of trolls and hate, the more we can as a gaming community tackle these issues, together.



Owner and Publisher at Niche Gamer and Nicchiban. Outlaw fighting for a better game industry. Pronouns: Patriarch, Guido, Olive, Catholic

  1. Jeff Page
    Jeff Page
    December 4, 2014 at 9:42 pm


  2. Lowestofthekeys
    December 4, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    “Is GTA ok if I can also beat a male hooker to death after having sex with him to get my money back?”

    Finally someone who understands the contrast.

  3. Chris Charabaruk
    Chris Charabaruk
    December 4, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    A big thanks to you guys at NicheGamer and to Christian Allen for coming out into the open to do this interview. I can’t completely agree with some of what he said (well, the rebranding part) but damn if he ain’t spot on for the rest.

  4. 33
    December 4, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    “Well, I do think it may be time for a rebranding.”

    Gamergate was the rebrand. It went through #burgersandfries and #Quinnspiracy. Destructive idiots would only latch onto any new word that comes up anyway. Changing the name would produce nothing positive.

  5. AsatorPrime
    December 4, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Great interview!

  6. Sarron
    December 4, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Thank you based dev.

  7. gameragodzilla
    December 4, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    I disagree with the idea that we should rebrand. GamerGate was ALREADY a rebrand, and it still didn’t change anything. So changing it is useless, and all that’s gonna happen is we’re gonna lose our momentum.

    Other than that, great interview!

  8. Nami
    December 4, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    As a former analyst at one of the “big three” publishers, I can comment on the Metacritic scoring affecting employment and bonuses. Every one of the dozen or so titles I consulted on with had a base set of project requirements to be considered a success. As anyone in the industry knows, unless you are a lead designer the financial or critical success of a title is how you know if you’ll be able to feed your children after the project ends. Each title I worked on had either a minimum 80 or 85 metacritic rating between the day before the title launched to a full 7 days after. If conditions weren’t met, you can bet your chair will be filled by a different warm body after the holiday break. It is an awful feeling for me as someone who was immune to those firings. I always did my best to mitigate risk on titles to make sure people had jobs but there is only so much a person can do. It is one of the many reasons I left the industry.

    Collusion between press and the industry, especially when they collude only with your competitors, is a deadly road to trot down. These highschool drop-outs who write and cover our industry directly relate to our job security. They should be held to a much higher standard. They hold a frightening amount of power in the single largest entertainment industry in the world.

  9. ColaFlavourChewits
    December 4, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    Negotiating for good reviews and previews? Now that’s annoying. I mean, we kinda knew it was happening anyway, but hearing it said by a dev just makes it more real than before.

    Can’t agree with rebranding; we’ve all discussed the issues with this before. But I also disagree with getting rid of the “idiots”. The nature of the movement is that it is chaotic, anarchic even. Nobody carries any real power, it’s all down to whether the individuals of the movement agree and join you.

    Free speech, true free speech, means hearing opinions you disagree with on a regular basis. Sometimes from idiots, sometimes from people much smarter than you.But what GamerGate has shown me is that even with all our differences in all areas of our lives, the arguments, the differing politics and tolerances, we’ve still bonded together over games and worked through our issues.

    And that, my friends, if fucking beautiful.

  10. Nami
    December 4, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    You forgot #DoritosGate or even #GertsmanGate or so on and so forth. This isn’t a new argument, and it won’t go away. It will continue to pick up a new title until it is addressed.

  11. dodoking
    December 4, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    “I have no fucking clue on what effect glittery rapey vampires have on teenage women.”

    oh my sides

  12. ZURATAMA1324
    December 4, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    But, hey.
    We do have GamerGate Harassment Patrol.
    I’d say we are doing pretty damn good with troll management.

    Seriously, have you ever seen a leaderless, anonymous consumer revolt which self-polices?

    PS: Re-branding is not an option for us.

  13. Luis Eduardo
    Luis Eduardo
    December 4, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    My only problem was that both the interviewer and the dev think that #GamerGate is a movement
    IT IS NOT, #GamerGate is a series of scandals, the consumer revolt that we are has no actual name, we use #GamerGate as a banner, but thats a different things

    Also rebranding will do nothing, anything new born from GG will be attacked by the corrupt media and tagged as a hate campaign, its clear the devs still do not understand the situation completely since they think GG has also trolls and harassers included with the people seriously looking to remove the corruption

    Other than that, great interview!

  14. JuicyHopFrog
    December 4, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    I think it’s a good point though, that the message is muddled quite a bit. Common language like pro #gamergate and antis is needed for quick twitter communication, but it does confuse the point somewhat. I can’t blame people for not getting it. But all in all,

    I agree with your re branding point, although I liked #gamervoices in the early days of all this. But whatever it would become, it would be another “hate group”. As long as we are attacking the media, that’s how they’ll brand anyone in the revolt.

    And how does one rid anything of trolls?

  15. ArsenicSundae
    December 4, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    Great “get”, Niche Gamer. Knew there was a reason to follow you folks. :)

  16. Internet_Zen_Master
    December 4, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    While your point is valid, the thing is not many people actually know about those tags (since they were competing with each other before dropping out in favor of #GamerGate).

    Should GG rebrand? I’d say no, but it’s good to have his input nonetheless.

  17. JuicyHopFrog
    December 4, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    To be fair, #burgerandfries and the #quinnspiracy tags were kind of useless because many moved beyond that or wanted to avoid that business all together.

  18. ColaFlavourChewits
    December 4, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    It seems that the tide is, slowly, slower than a glacier, shifting in GG’s favour in the public eye.

    Each new day brings new evidence, more support, and at least once a week someone on the anti side decides to do something really stupid. See Zoe Quinn attacking Brad Wardell with obvious lies, retweeted by prominent journalists (and Jim Sterling).

    See #FullMcIntosh cheering on the censorship of GTA V and mouthing off at how “vile” it is.

    Each of these foolish actions strengthens our side by alienating anti moderates, and I don’t think it will be too long till it starts to come apart at the seams.

  19. Burn Ender
    Burn Ender
    December 4, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    Don’t agree with the “Rebranding idea” you can’t keep trolls out of the internet. Also, again with the idea that “there is shitslinging on both sides muddying the waters” I see nothing but us trying to defend ourselves from the endless accusations than people randomly picking out people on the other side to shit sling.

    “Don’t touch the poop” was coined for a reason.

  20. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    December 4, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    Lots of good comments here by Mr. Allen. I think he hit the nail on the head when he talked about Metacritic being a farce. To think a developer had his bonus based on Metacritic….which can *easily* be fixed and manipulated. That’s insane. The bonus should be based on sales, not reviews written mostly by random trolls or astro-turfed by competing developers.

    Remember when BioWare devs voted Witcher 2’s Metacritic down? Exactly.

  21. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    December 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    I agree with you, that’s the one thing that irked me about the interview, but I’m not sure if he’s just trying to CYA or he just hasn’t observed the discussion long enough.

    I have never seen actual GG’ers doxing or harassing anyone. I have seen “fake” GG’ers doing that and claiming they were GG though. I think that’s what he’s seeing.

  22. Varus
    December 4, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Also the fact that playing to what will get a good meta critic scores can screw up a game. Hitting a bunch of check boxes instead of making something fun

  23. Gregg
    December 4, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Niche, thank you

    Truly. While I may disagree that GG needs a rebrand (since trolls will follow no matter where they go) I appreciate your efforts to get an interview like this.

    Not just for the fact that this is fair coverage to a demonized group, but for the fact that it gives a great perspective on what they’re thinking. This sort of discussion needs to keep on happening as opposed to the 140 character shit flinging held on twitter.

    With more people like you doing this sort of thing it gives me hope that this whole mess might have a pleasant ending and that this community can pick itself back up again.

  24. Jason
    December 4, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Very nice interview from a moderate developer voice. Like everyone I disagree with the rebranding idea, pro-corruption will just go in to muddle the water again.
    We need to signal boost our success on the FTC, the sponsors pulling, the policy revising. We need to let the devs know we are fighting for their freedom to create, and we are fucking winning.

    Oh we funded a sea lion :^)

  25. JuicyHopFrog
    December 4, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    But it’s fair to say that it’s a hard thing for the public to see. I called out something rather bad today, by some new account with 10 followers. Obviously not with gamergate, but how do we communicate that more effectively?

  26. The Papist
    The Papist
    December 4, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    It’s nice to see you speaking out, I liked most of it.

    Some things are completely wrong however though i.e rebranding and harassment.

  27. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    December 4, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    Yeah, that’s true. If someone isn’t firmly entrenched in GG, they aren’t going to see that difference between the “10 follower accounts acting like dicks” and the real GG’ers.

    They did that in the 60s with the anti-war movement. They’d put fakes in and sow discontent to try and disrupt them. That’s what the Anti side is doing.

    Unless you’re deep in, you can’t tell which ones are fakes.

  28. Bryan C
    Bryan C
    December 4, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    I just wanted to chime in and thank all parties for this interview; it’s quite awesome.

    I do kinda have to agree with some of the other criticisms against the idea of “rebranding” though. Trolls and jerks have long existed before GamerGate, and they’ll exist long after, and there’s nothing stopping them from jumping in to muddy the waters of whatever brand we were to change GamerGate to.

    Personally I just continue to try to preach that we should be excellent to each other, whatever our views on GamerGate. I see enough people figuring out that we’re not the monsters the media has tried to paint us as that I continue to be optimistic.

  29. snake56
    December 4, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    “I hope this developer don’t get dog-piled by anti-GG.”

    Don’t worry, that guy knows how to defend himself.

  30. JuicyHopFrog
    December 4, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    It’s a problem, but we do our best. And that doesn’t change the fact that the media has outright lied and slandered GG in order to protect their friends or forward a false narrative. I just with the good people (most of GG) would get more credit, because it’s deserved.

  31. dsadsada
    December 4, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    I think you’re cute.

    …although that’s probably not something you want to hear from a straight guy.

  32. dsadsada
    December 4, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    I’d say their regular articles are reason enough. Really glad I found this site. Best thing to come out of gamergate for me actually.

  33. DoombotBL
    December 4, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Fascinating, thanks for sharing. It’s high time people knew about the inner workings of the industry.

  34. DoombotBL
    December 4, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    Christian is totally hot. :P

  35. Greg Nieto
    Greg Nieto
    December 4, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    I agree that rebranding would be good, but HOW? Like, for real, how does an anarchic amorphous blob rebrand? It’s been discussed, sure, but the simple truth is that no individual can shove the group in any direction. The most rapid shifts I’ve seen were #OpSkynet and #Solution6, but those both had their own purposes.

  36. Lucian
    December 4, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    Me too. This website is the first site I’ve been on years with actual gaming news.

  37. Nin
    December 4, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    One only needs to look at how those strongly opposing GamerGate seem to jump to a new tag every week to show how ineffective rebrands are. The internet never forgets, after all.

    Good interview nonetheless. Hopefully, he won’t be affected simply for speaking out non-anonymously.

  38. Eliah Ryan
    Eliah Ryan
    December 4, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    that’s not even bringing into consideration that the media will just purposely muddy the waters again for people like Christian, the reason people think we are a troll group is because the media have been pushing that for three months now.

  39. Nami
    December 4, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    Well I’m passed my 5 year NDA and was never required to sign a renewal during my employment length or when I left, so I’m more comfortable speaking about it. I’m comfortable separated from the industry now.

  40. Steve Creampeen
    Steve Creampeen
    December 4, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    Too bad we can’t get rid of KoP that easily.

  41. Jas_9000
    December 4, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    Good for him. A straight shooter who says what he thinks.

    I like seeing that he also finds “gamers are over” puke worthy. And he’s right that you should never go to certain places or enable twitter whiners. Move on. Buy what you like. Markets rule.

  42. Alejandro Grønhaug
    Alejandro Grønhaug
    December 4, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    To be perfectly honest I don’t really have a stake in this. My motive from the start wasn’t to improve games journalism, or anything of the sort. (Frankly we’ve known from the start that things were rotten, just not how rotten.) Nor was it to troll. This post will be a bit longer than I had originally intended it to be, but fuck it. If you want to know what I can only assume to be the stance of us “opportunists” and moderates then please continue reading.

    I cannot say that I speak for anyone other than myself, but to you our motives should be clear. I am a gamergate moderate and with the advent of gamergate, also a centrist leaning more towards the right with each passing day.

    I’ve viewed people who identify as gamers as worth little more than trash, that hasn’t changed and likely never will. Through the years a deep seated hatred and contempt of 4chan’s /v/ has taken hold of me, this has in turn affected my opinion of gamers as a whole. From the start I never saw “playing video games” as a worthy hobby, to me it’s just a pass time really, not a way of life like practicing a sport is. Adding to that fact my most hated personalities have hailed from /v/, these people have trolled, spammed, made shitposting a sport like complete morons and corrupted the culture I love for years.

    The reason I am with gamergate is because you are a means to an end and that end is stopping the censorship of videogames and the spread of ideas that are genuinely harmful to a functioning western society. Because I know that once they’re done with you, they’ll come for me and the niche games I like and my way of life and there will be no one left to defend me.

    Please understand, gamergate, you are our only hope of beating the marching mob of hateful pseudo-intellectuals known as social justice warriors. I am sure that Milo and Mike would agree when I say that something far more precious than games will be lost if these people win. I’m not sure if you’re proficient with Russian history, but something very similar to what is going on in the states now went on there prior to the fall of the Tzar and the rise of communism. I’m not saying that it will happen over night, or perhaps in the foreseeable future, but if these people get their way it will happen. They must be stopped at all cost. It took Russia almost a century to regain control from the iron grip of communism and the former Soviet Union has been forever crippled in the aftermath. Not to mention the other notorious communist states, North Korea and China. We are securing the future of our children and our children’s children, our nephews and our nieces and you’re our best bet yet.

  43. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    December 4, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Please contact me, if you’re willing to give me time for an interview? :)

  44. Fenrir007
    December 4, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Seems like he was talking about someone on the New Vegas team since, if I recall correctly, they got a 79 and that was what sparked the controversy.

  45. Fenrir007
    December 4, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    Wasn’t #Solution6 just trolling?

  46. Guest
    December 4, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    Personally I like Metacritic, just as I like IMDb and similar. It is a quick and easy way to see if something is worth your time, which it usually is when it got an 8+ and isn’t when it has a 5-.

    How is Metacritic the problem when the practices that come forth from its use by publishers are the actual problem?

    They should base it on things like sales data instead, since that makes the most sense.

    I get the feeling that his problems with Metacritic in this case don’t exactly stem from an ideological argument, but one based on the reception of his latest game.

    Heck the user score is lower than the “critic score”: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/takedown-red-sabre

    And the reviews of the game on Steam are also Mostly Negative for that matter: http://store.steampowered.com/app/236510/

  47. Fenrir007
    December 4, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    I’m curious – which internet subcommunity do you come from to hate /v/ with such passion?

  48. Nami
    December 4, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    If you can direct me to a contact method for you I’ll consider it. It would need to take place on the weekend as we are in crunch time.

  49. Alejandro Grønhaug
    Alejandro Grønhaug
    December 4, 2014 at 10:44 pm

    /a/, where else? Also /fit/, man did /v/ and /sp/ do a number on /fit/.

  50. dsadsada
    December 4, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    I can understand the merit of rebranding since a lot of people still associate #gamergate with misogyny, harassment and trolling but I’d have to disagree. This particular movement is primarily about journalism ethics and who were the ones who spread the idea that the tag is associated with a hate group? Mostly the people the movement has been against.

    For one, rebranding feels more like a retreat.
    Second, even if we did rebrand, the new tag would still be muddied once people learn that it’s the new tag used by pro-GG people.
    And third, winning this little culture war with the tag is something I think we need to do as well. We’re labeled as a hate group when the vast majority of us are not and we’re branded as such by the ones that we’re seeking better ethical practices from. Winning this culture war, that is having something like a new mandatory code of ethics that each person in the press must follow, while retaining the tag will show how powerful the consumers are and how we will not be the ones to bend backwards so that the unscrupulous people in the industry can continue profiting.

    To put it another way, winning while retaining the tag is the victory condition to get a SSS rank.

  51. Fenrir007
    December 4, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    I knew it. I bet you are one of those guys that went completely paranoid about the decline in quality of /a/ and blamed it on /v/. I’ll say this – this paranoia, justified or not, only further let the quality slide down, which is kind of hilarious when you think about it.

  52. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    December 4, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Yeah, that’s what I said: It should be based on sales.

    As for Metacritic, it’s an easily exploited system and is unreliable. I’ve never used it for that reason. The best way to gauge a game’s launch day worth is to observe the forums.

  53. Terry Ferguson
    Terry Ferguson
    December 4, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    “Modern social media seems to excel at typecasting and dividing people into groups in order to subjugate actual conversation, I think because it rewards the most vocal and extreme voices in each group.”

    This is exactly it. Moreover, social media encourages lazy conceptualization, and this is amplified on services with severe character limits like Twitter. Nuance-free discussion encourages radicalization.

    “Competition in a journalist community should not be about regulating a message, it should who can get the best scoop in what the readership values as news.”

    This is one of my personal peeves about this scandal. In a very real way, these gaming tabloids (that’s all I’ll call them at this point) aren’t in competition with each other–not really.They are different heads of the same hydra.

    I firmly believe that competition, in general, breeds excellence. And due to the cooperation rather than competition we’ve seen, in GJP for instance, the quality has markedly decreased. Is it any wonder this is so? If all the big names are pushing out the same shit, they’ll begin to think, “So what? Where else are they going to go?” And before #GamerGate, they weren’t far off the mark. Now other sites that DO want to compete and try to be better than the others have come to light.

    “. . . unless you have personally done or said something wrong, I doubt anyone in the mainstream industry would even know what the hell is going on or notice.”

    I think he’s correct in general here. I believe that indie developers, unfortunately, are most at risk. If you’re applying for a position with a AAA developer, you’re likely not going to be very negatively affected by it comparatively. Such companies are primarily financially rather than ideologically motivated. And let’s face it, many of them are confused about #GamerGate. It’s still nebulous to an outsider in my experience.

    “Stop going to the standard sites that fill your feed with advertisements. Stop eating the bull. Reach out and look to alternative sites. Form your own opinions. Support devs who support gamers. Don’t join a “side”. Be objective.”

    Well said, Mr. Allen. Now I, personally, don’t think of “pro-GG” as a “side” really–not anymore than I think of being anti-bullshit as a “side.” We’re a diverse collection of individuals with quite noticeably conflicting opinions bonded by the fact that we’re all gamers who love our culture and want a press and industry that respects us and that culture. We want games to be all they can be. We want the content creators — like you Mr. Allen — who produce the games we love to be free to express themselves and their artistic vision without career-damaging censure by ideologues on a warpath. And we want to be respected as consumers of the games media and the games themselves. That’s what’s #GamerGate is to me. Restoring the respect that exists among the games industry, the games press, and the consumers is my aim. Because TO ME, #GamerGate is not just about ethics in games journalism; it’s about ethics in the games industry as a whole.

  54. bell02
    December 4, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    anyway, thanks for this awesome interview and no, no change to the name, gamergate is a scandal about corruption in gaming journalism! No need for reputation!

  55. JuicyHopFrog
    December 4, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    If we could rebrand without having malicious trolls misrepresent us or the media we stand up call us a hate group regardless, I would advocate a re-branding, absolutely. I just don’t know how that’s achieved.

    So I’ll do what we all have been doing, keeping our shoulders to the goal and pressing forward.

  56. Gray Dreams
    Gray Dreams
    December 4, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    “The problem is, that legitimate Gamergate folks interested in quality game journalism are getting lumped in with a bunch of douchebags who are acting like douchebags and pissing everyone off.”

    Who? I’d like some examples. I’d also like to know why there’s no mention of the douchebag antis.

    “I think maybe it’s at a point where a new call to action is needed.”


    First, this accepts the antis’ charge that #GamerGate is guilty of some kind of original sin, a claim with a fairly flimsy basis. Second, it allows the antis to benefit from a double standard. They have not atoned for their haters, so I see no reason we should atone for ours, especially since we have relatively few while literally every anti I’ve seen is a bubbling cauldron of hatred. Third, you can’t keep people from being assholes. So any “new call to action” will wind up with the same problem–a problem that is (a) pretty rare in #GamerGate, and (b) not unique to #GamerGate. Any complaints about assholes and douchebags in #GamerGate is an exercise in blatant selectivity. Fourth–and this is closely related to the last point–a “new call to action” is not feasible from a practical standpoint.

    So, yeah, I’ll stick with #GamerGate. We’re the good guys.

    “Stop empowering whiners who get attacked by idiots on the internet, and get rid of the idiots.”

    I have no idea what this even means.

    “Create a new movement to empower gamers.”

    We did. It’s called #GamerGate.

  57. Alejandro Grønhaug
    Alejandro Grønhaug
    December 4, 2014 at 10:58 pm

    Honestly didn’t even fucking care until your shitposters began frequenting /a/. I am talking about LJ, the Higurashi/Umineko RPing shitposters and the obnoxious “wan piss/naruto/bleach/HxH/ is the best ever”-faggots.

    And it’s a fucking well known fact that you numbskulls with misc and tinytrip’s band of merry fucktards in tow ruined what was once known as the best board on the steaming pile of horseshit known as 4chan, our fair /fit/. Adding insult to injury, with each year you bring even more malady to the site. The latest one being, you guessed it, THE FEMINISTS!
    But no, I do not vocally complain. I just mumble and grumble and lurk forever, like any good anon.

  58. bell02
    December 4, 2014 at 10:59 pm

    btw, something to think about for all devs and news outlets. Why is it so hard for them, to look simple into the tweet feed of a Supporter of Gamergate? Guess what, the twitter feed of a strong GG supporter is filled with truth bombs! You may get a good month news from it!

  59. VirtualBoyColor
    December 4, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    It’s been already said here, but yeah. A rebranding does nothing more than a divide and conquer tactic, as long as GG stands for the changes that are needed the game journalism, it will be branded as whatever the opposition and the offending game press sites will want to plaster to the revolt. They tried to do this with #GameEthics and #GAMR, probably with other hashtags that I don’t even bother to remember.

    Maybe Christian hasn’t seen all the different labels that GG has had: worse than ISIS, worse than Ferguson, worse than neo-nazis, anything goes as long as it works to detract from the actual issues at hand.

    But overall that’s my only gripe with this otherwise great interview. I appreciate that Christian decided to step up and break the silence, I hope other devs clear their minds about the points that I mentioned, and do the same.
    No amount of blacklisting, shaming and dogpiling will stop them from getting support from the gamers that actually put the industry where it stands now.

  60. Gray Dreams
    Gray Dreams
    December 4, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    Rebranding won’t work. When people ask us to “rebrand,” they’re basically asking us to accept defeat, but doing it in a way they hope is unaggressive and will allow us to rationalize away our cowardice once defeat is accepted.

    “Well . . . it’s not that I’m cowering in defeat. It’s just, I don’t know, I guess I felt we needed a rebrand cause people don’t like us and stuff. *sniffle* *sniffle*”

    Pass. We’re #GamerGate. The end. Full stop.

    And whatever new hash tag we use will be slandered just as #GamerGate has been.

  61. Greg Nieto
    Greg Nieto
    December 4, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    To me, trolling implies an intent to deceive. It felt more like an incredibly silly in-joke where the joke was the entire thing was hollow.

    It wasn’t really a rebranding attempt, but if the hashtag is just a way to call attention to information, then it could have functioned similarly.

  62. Hyena
    December 4, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    Well, those other two only lasted for about a week or two at most if I recall, while GG has been the thing for the rest of these last few months.

    Though I do think that if a group of people have a set goal in mind, there’s nothing wrong with them forming their own thing on the side to stick to that more specific idea/goal in mind and then bringing it back to GG later if something comes out of it

  63. Greg Nieto
    Greg Nieto
    December 4, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    It’s bizarre that they functionally expect us to police the entire fucking internet if we’re not to be blamed for any shitty thing that any shitty person does to anyone in the game industry.

  64. Misogynerd
    December 4, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    GamerGate is a cluster fuck outside, a bunch of jargon and names you’re supposed to remember, maybe a simple video explaining some of the vague details would help.
    Still re-branding is a fucking terrible idea. The point is fight corrupt journalists. It just so happens that the vast majority of this journalists are authoritarian feminist censors. They push for a feminist agenda in all video games, promote certain types of games over others, and shame games, gamers and developers that don’t fit their political agenda and their idea of a game.

    Any new name would be more confusing and splinter the movement.

  65. Softclocks
    December 4, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    Love these interviews!

    Keep ’em coming.

    Ps. Is there another way to contribute to this site beyond Patreon?

  66. destroy_all_monsters
    December 4, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    Anti-feminist != misogynist. Misogyny is the *hatred of women* not the hatred of an ideology. The only misogyny I’ve seen since the ’70s has come exclusively from feminists.

    >It’s like if the Watergate duo really wanted to work for Richard Nixon in the future.

    Exactly this.

    Great interview. :)

  67. richardolsen
    December 4, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    This, absolutely. I don’t associate GamerGate as being a “movement” at all. It is exactly a series of scandals. The scandals just haven’t been about journalists allegedly sleeping with, or lodging with devs and then giving positive reviews.
    It’s also been about indie devs who have had kick-starters, taken all the money and then run with the profit, giving nothing in return.

    It’s also about people like Sarkeesian and McIntosh, using games in a sleazy manner to push their corrupt narrative. It’s about being called privileged just for being white and male, and then having almost the entire games journalism run with the lie that “gamergate” is nothing but white, cismale neckbeards who live in their mothers basements.

    It’s about entire communities of women, men, gay, lesbian, trans, white, black, asian, hispanic, inuit completely ignored, marginalised, harassed and blacklisted by a small section of sociopathic games journalists and indie devs.

    If pointing their horrendous behaviour out, makes me a horrible person. If it makes me a “douchebag”, then I’d rather be a douchebag, than to stick my head in the proverbial sand and pretend like none of this bullshit is happening.

    At a time when the SJW crowd are lobbying department store chains to not stock GTA5. At a time when the media is actually applauding that move. At a time, when anyone who plays a game and supports every games development, regardless of its narrative or the characters in it, is being called a misogynist, we can’t forget for one moment that the entire industry stinks.

    I for one, would rather be a douchebag, than to just sit back and take the abuse being heaped upon me and my fellow gamers. As a gay man, I’ve had to put up with a lot of shit from groups of individuals who form a much larger majority. Now, in this instance, I’m saying no. I’m making a stand. I will not sit back and let the bullies win. I will not stay quiet so that AAA devs can feel a little more comfortable about supporting my position. Their comfort is not my concern.

  68. Vinzenz Stemberg
    Vinzenz Stemberg
    December 4, 2014 at 11:46 pm

    This is why I think it’s so great we finally have a bonafide wiki. We finally have a place to stockpile all the crazy shit we’ve been digging the past year. Well, we had wikis and etherpads before, but they were easily dismantled or DDoS’d because their space was so finite. Now that we have .me and .community to pin all this shit on and they have enough protection to evade DDoS we can place all the articles in them, organised by both date and writer even! It’s amusing how many writers involved in this are involved in other insane moral panics, like the My Little Pony Derpy Hooves thing, or Shirtstorm, or Ubergate.
    Time and time again it’s always been the SAME goddamn people, excluding Leigh who left before this became a common occurrence. She’s just ‘that one crazy mouthy broad without a lick of respect’ as Bogart would put it. (heck, she used to be a channer, she reviewed Katawa Shoujo and attended the cons)

  69. Vinzenz Stemberg
    Vinzenz Stemberg
    December 4, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    Rebranding imo will be an ‘endgame’ goal. That’s when all the little sites we’re supporting get to equivalent Alexa rankings, and then we can create some sort of ombudsman agency to police things.

  70. Vinzenz Stemberg
    Vinzenz Stemberg
    December 4, 2014 at 11:54 pm

    Thanks for corroborating the information! I know that feel as well, but from the other side. I was in a separate industry, but part of ‘corporate.’ Trust me, it’s hard for the lynchpins as well. We get the fun job of relaying accounting’s worst news to ya’ll and then passing you the gun. The worst possible thing is to pass it back, because we don’t know who actually is contributing what. We’re liable to fire based on paygrade, not skill.
    Well, unless you’re Al Dunlap or Richard Cheney, then you relish seeing poor people squirm and beg before you punt them anyway.

  71. Vinzenz Stemberg
    Vinzenz Stemberg
    December 4, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    Pahaha, it’s funny that he brings up Glenn Beck, technically we do have one ourselves. All Pol needs to do now is host a stream where he explains how many female gamers and developers there are by baking pies & complaining bout the whipped cream.

  72. Javier Vega
    Javier Vega
    December 4, 2014 at 11:57 pm

    Lets hope its not bad.

  73. Vinzenz Stemberg
    Vinzenz Stemberg
    December 4, 2014 at 11:59 pm

    such a beautiful way with words.
    If he actually wants to know, he should look up ‘Gaussian blur’ as a romance writing technique. I don’t know if there’s a pre-80s western example, but I know that exploded once anime landed on US shores. This is a series whose men are literally living breathing Gaussian blurs.

  74. Vinzenz Stemberg
    Vinzenz Stemberg
    December 5, 2014 at 12:06 am

    The annoying part is they have such bloody obvious names to boot, since part of doing that kinda shit is to promote your own troll crew’s ‘brand.’ Like GNAA uses offensive religious names or racist joke names, like the State of Allah/some-other-deity dox accounts, or the Bill Waggoner Crew always having the same background, or RMD always being “Fuck(randomantiggnamehere) and issuing death threats. I get the feeling there’s a lot of anti-gg that ignores that on purpose in order to claim their narrative and get media press sympathy.

  75. Vinzenz Stemberg
    Vinzenz Stemberg
    December 5, 2014 at 12:15 am

    GGHP is amazing. If you see them snipe someone (ESPECIALLY Celebrinando) pls remember to thank them. I would hope this becomes a REAL WAM after gamergate finishes, because both their hearts AND minds are in the right place. Marge and Fuzztail brings tears sometimes with how awesome they are, and how willing they are to get into the dirtiest of fights and try to pull it down. A lot of anti-gg are too blind to see what they’re about and so they get lumped with the trolls (hell Marge was even a key figure in the blocklist), but they successfully cause GGers to cease poop-touching, or they sort troll from hoodwinked GGer and ban the troll, whereas a normal mod would just ban all the angry people in a particular thread. It’s truly a dirty, thankless job.
    I have to respect it because I know I’d be one of those ‘angry mob’ people, heh, I get so riled up on principle by some of the things the journos do, like when they tried to drag Gamergate in on that crazy kid that killed his girlfriend and posted pictures to 4chan.

    seriously, I love all the hard-working gals&guys in GGHP. If they got paid positions as full-time moderators or ‘community managers’ that would probably benefit the entirety of twitter down the line.

  76. Nonscpo
    December 5, 2014 at 12:25 am

    “Allen: You have to at least experience games to be qualified to discuss them. I’ve testified in court cases where lawyers try and argue about video games, and it is obvious they have never touched one, and it’s incredibly easy to
    dismantle their arguments, because they base their arguments on things
    they’ve read”…………I want to face-palm at the stupidity of lawyers that are allowed to enter a courtroom and represent businesses or worst people.

  77. NeoTechni
    December 5, 2014 at 12:29 am

    and will do so for whatever new name is chosen. They have no reason not to.

  78. Psichaos
    December 5, 2014 at 12:55 am

    Rebranding wouldn’t be effective at all. It was hard enough to get people unified under Gamergate, which does reference a scandal of the gaming press getting a little too incestuous with itself and the industry, to the point where developers and journalists are having sex for positive reviews. Not to mention, no matter what we would rebrand as, the trolls will just follow that as well, and the media will just instantly call it a hate group once more. Even #NotYourShield wasn’t safe from media trying to brand it as sock-puppetry and race/gender traitors. The media will do everything it can to portray us as the villain, since it’s their corruption we expose.

  79. David
    December 5, 2014 at 12:59 am

    The problem is there aren’t any new controversies within the gaming industry lately. Journalists have been laying low, but people are still upset as journalists haven’t been held accountable for their unethical actions. No discipline, no firing.

    Right now GG just kind of survives on drama and that’s what is keeping the tag going. There’s also a lot of SJWs blaming everything negative that happens on GG, so I’m sure it looks like a mess.

    People are just fighting and waiting to be heard by the media and have things change and journalists be held accountable. I think the only way this happens now, is if developers across several major studios come out and condemn the journalists actions (publicly) and threaten to withhold game reviews (privately) in the future. The journalists don’t have the power to stand up to the game developers and label them all misogynists.

    The devs don’t have to come out proGG obviously. That doesn’t matter. They just need to condemn the 10-20 different instances of corruption and unethical behavior over the past 3 months. Listing off each instance of corruption would be incredibly jarring and probably wake up a lot of people as well about the corruption. Hope Christian Allen sees this post.

    And screw the PR reps and publishers that want to keep the status quo by ignoring these issues. They should be ignored by the developers. This is hurting the gaming industry more than people think.

  80. LamontRaymond
    December 5, 2014 at 1:01 am

    Christian – welcome to the contrapositive. Next stop – rocket science.

  81. gameragodzilla
    December 5, 2014 at 1:26 am

    Yeah, #shirtstorm put a lot of eyeballs on us, and now the GTA V ban is gonna put even more. The grinding is getting results, guys. Stay strong.

  82. DynastyStar
    December 5, 2014 at 1:38 am

    A quick nitpick, but in the “NG: The recent blacklist that the International Game Developers Association curiously supported got a lot of concern and backlash. How do you feel about their support of it?” You have both “IGDA” and “IDGA” in the answer.

    Fantastic interview though, I don’t agree with all of his points(particularily about needing rebranding, the trolls will just follow, and the media will just smear us again just as easily as they did before), but I also don’t have to, thank you Christian Allen for coming to the table :)

  83. Nami
    December 5, 2014 at 2:12 am


  84. DynastyStar
    December 5, 2014 at 2:26 am

    the part that made me laugh the most was “But you don’t get to tell Glenn Beck that he can’t write books, and he can’t tell me not to publish video games. Well, he can, but I can tell him to sit on it and spin.” I know its not the first time the line has been used, but I find it amusing.

  85. GDI
    December 5, 2014 at 3:33 am

    Yeah Margaret Gel is fucking awesome and is I think literally the most “harassed” woman in all this mess (one of her screencap tweets) and yet she’s the one who has protected everyone on both sides the most. The world is unfair.

  86. GDI
    December 5, 2014 at 3:35 am

    He seems more like a true neutral than a neutral-pro. I don’t think there’s any material useable for dogpiling him, unless of course anti-GG want to be real dicks.

  87. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    December 5, 2014 at 3:45 am

    “There is only one reason a game should be
    banned from sale: if it steals copyrighted content. Other than that, no.
    If you disagree with a game or a developer, don’t buy it. If you don’t
    like Glenn Beck, don’t buy his books. But you don’t get to tell Glenn
    Beck that he can’t write books, and he can’t tell me not to publish
    video games. Well, he can, but I can tell him to sit on it and spin.”

    My favorite part of the interview. I’m a Glenn Beck guy (well, was), and one thing he goes on talking about when he’s not channeling his authoritarian right side is to reach to the other side. I mean, the guy has a friendship with Penn Jillette, an atheist, and his photographer is a hardcore liberal who worked for Obama. I’m pretty sure a lot of things that Ken Levine of Bioshock fame espouses would piss me off to hell (with his views of individualism/Randism), but Infinite was a fantastic game that I’m proudly sporting on my Steam account.

    Reach out to the other side. If #GamerGate needs a rebrand, it’s finding guys, sane guys, who will understand what we are fighting against.

  88. GDI
    December 5, 2014 at 3:49 am

    Great interview.

    Although, as is said aplenty. Do not abandon the hashtag #GamerGate. Redeem it instead, which is what we’re doing.

    Don’t devs realize that the easiest way to totally bypass corrupt games journalists and even Youtubers is to adopt the #GamerGate hashtag to speak to hardcore gamers directly?

    The old method was this:

    1.) Dev releases a game
    2.) Games Journalist / Youtuber / Indie “Superstar” finds interest and retweets it
    3.) Dev profits.

    How about

    1.) Dev releases a game
    2.) Dev calls upon #GamerGate directly to look at the game
    3.) #Gamergate retweets
    4.) Dev profits.

    The only reason not to do the latter is because the Games Journalist / some Youtuber / most Indie “Superstars” hate this and will want to blacklist the Dev for being supportive of #GamerGate.

    Can ye not see? Make all the blacklists / blocklists ineffective and Devs all over the world can just call upon #GamerGate to give their game a spin. It’ll be just like Nintendo Direct!

  89. Tech Stegosaurus
    Tech Stegosaurus
    December 5, 2014 at 4:00 am

    I really appreciate all Niche Gamer is going to reach out to developers, and I have a request.

    The next time someone suggests gamergate rebrands. Could you ask them how they think we can do that with major media powerhouses trying to brand us?

  90. amsdchocobo
    December 5, 2014 at 4:25 am

    Thanks Christian. Great to hear your insight. Sorry about Takedown, I hope your future games can be completed to your standards.

  91. Erik Wedin
    Erik Wedin
    December 5, 2014 at 4:27 am

    #GamerGate is an event. The event was the 28th of August “gamers are dead” articles and we/they still deal with the fallout after refusing to accept how stupid that was.

  92. MasterV
    December 5, 2014 at 5:02 am

    This explains the gaming industry’s Hollywood complex so much. Thank you for the input.

  93. Alex V.
    Alex V.
    December 5, 2014 at 5:30 am

    He definitely made some good points…

  94. FlyingAiry
    December 5, 2014 at 6:50 am

    There’s absolutely zero point to “rebrand Gamergate” because if you just simply look at how the opposition of your revolt behaves you’ll know that they’ll just use poisioned well fallacy again ad infinitum.

    You know just like how a certain person keeps bringing it up about themselves. It’ll just be “Did you know X was brought from Gamergate which also was about Misogyny towards a certain female developer?”

  95. Protocol
    December 5, 2014 at 6:52 am

    I agree with mostly everything he says.

  96. Silhouette
    December 5, 2014 at 7:39 am

    You know, I really appreciate the whole literal take on the movement vs. Conumer Revolt bit. It’s true enough.

    But movement is use colloquially and is more common for describing things like the groups within #GamerGate.

    I guess what I’m saying is, sure; It’s true, but semantics aren’t worth getting hung up on in lieu of a good discussion about how to fix the mess in gaming journalism. Sometimes the vigor with which people assert “It’s not a movement; It’s a CONSUMER REVOLT” is distracting and seems to come off as as a bit neurotic, to me.

    Not really addressing this to Luis Eduardo, specifically, of course, as his criticism is rather spot-on for the most part. Just something that seems to keep happening and I keep seeing within the hashtag.

  97. neeneko
    December 5, 2014 at 9:18 am

    While this focuses on a seemingly small point, something I find deeply problematic about this piece (along with many like it) is the author points out that the child psychologist lacks domain knowledge in games and thus is unqualified to speak on them, but then goes on to make proclamations regarding psychology and effects games have on children. One recurring problem (with people in general, but worse in tech) is the idea that understanding the speaker’s field requires domain knowledge, but that understanding the other person’s field does not. So we end up with a lot of technical types feeling that social scientists do not understand tech enough to speak on their topics but are perfectly comfortable being armchair social scientists. It speaks to a rather profound lack of respect for those non-technical fields and the people in them. This also tends to dovetail rather destructively by the gender dominance in the fields in question, with the effect being most pronounced when you see people in male dominated fields speaking about topics in female dominated fields.

  98. RandomDev
    December 5, 2014 at 10:07 am

    These people are not indie devs, they are hipsters, the bane of gamers everywhere.

  99. Slim neb
    Slim neb
    December 5, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Rebranding can’t work. The assholes and trolls will just follow. It’s not like we can keep people OUT of a hashtag.

  100. endertargaryen
    December 5, 2014 at 11:09 am

    awesome interview, thanks guys, you’re definitely one of the “alternative sites” that we should all be encouraging and frequenting.

  101. A Real Libertarian
    A Real Libertarian
    December 5, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Did you see the Claire Schumann mess?

    If you agree with them 99% of the way, then they’ll crucify you for that last 1%.

    He’s going to be harassed for this, and he’s going to be redpilled.

    That’s the reason we are winning, because SJWs are utterly unlikeable.

  102. Johnathon Tieman
    Johnathon Tieman
    December 5, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    While I know that bit about the 60s, I don’t think it fully maps to what is happening with us. There is no real need for the “anti-” side to put fakes in #GamerGate, simply because there are plenty of assholes on the internet whole will do it without any urging from the “anti-s”. The end result is the same, unfortunately, and we still have to deal with the problem. :(

  103. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    December 5, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    I will from now on. I promise.

    To be honest though – I think everyone is just arguing semantics, sure it’s a series of events but it literally is a movement at this point. IDK – think what you will :3

  104. Jas_9000
    December 5, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    Some help from devs over the slander of gamers would be nice, and we see some of that here, but I don’t expect cavalry.

    Radical hipsters who happen to work at or run game sites will not change. They think some “Age of Aquarius” is about to dawn. Fourteen years of conflict and an economic collapse have radicalized a portion of the under 30 set. They are like early 70s radicals. Even Marx is making a comeback.

    Just stay away from these sites and run them down by word of mouth when the opportunity arises. The end game is that eventually the fad will pass.

  105. Random45
    December 5, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    This is really well done, I’m impressed.

  106. David Gray
    David Gray
    December 6, 2014 at 1:55 am

    Nothing wrong with Marx, and what these people practice may be the antithesis of Marx work.
    To each according to their need (why are rich kids opening patreon?)
    From each according to their ability (nothing about censorship there)
    Marxism does not undermine meritocracy. It is *supposed* to ensure it.
    The fact that a “movement” made up of bourgeoisie Western college graduates can be conflated with Marx’ theories of economic equality (equality of opportunity, equality of access, and a very real sense of humanitarian basic living standards)
    I’m a massive lefty, and while I don’t agree with everything Marx said there is plenty that is inarguable. (he was a product of his time, you should look up the conditions of the working class back then; what we have now is MUCH better and Marx and those radicals pushing for worker rights are pretty much directly responsible for it)

  107. David
    December 6, 2014 at 3:29 am

    It’s more about ending the drama and not expecting cavalry. Gamers are pissed months later. Journalists have continued to get away with unethical behavior. They need to be held accountable. If no one is held accountable, it’s just going to keep going and making the gaming community look bad.

    Months later and every bad thing that happens in the gaming community or to devs like Wu is being blamed on GamerGate. You can’t just blame everything bad that happens in the gaming industry on GamerGate. GamerGate and gamers have become the boogeyman.

    Maybe the social justice fad will eventually fade. I hope it does because it’s really just a racist/sexist ideology masquerading as an inclusive, pro-diversity one.

    I just don’t see these websites going under. The game “journalism” websites function together like an oligopoly. They all work together and collude and are afraid of offending each other or holding each other accountable. There is no oversight. They also see devs, publishers, and PR reps as their peers and colleagues instead of subjects they are suppose to report on objectively.

  108. Matt McCoy
    Matt McCoy
    December 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    “‘Reach’ out and look to alternative sites.”
    I see what he did there.

  109. Mark Samenfink
    Mark Samenfink
    December 10, 2014 at 10:33 am

    I agree with much of what was said in this interview, sole strong exception is rebranding. It may sound good as a speculation, but it will change nothing, the sites and ideologues who have gathered against us will simply take whatever new hashtag or title we choose and say “They are lying to trick you, this is the same group, the same harassers, the same ones we told you about, those Gamergate people. They’re trying to fool you into letting what they did (read:didn’t do) slide!”

    As such we cannot do the rebranding, we have to simply keep forcing the truth to out. Thank you for doing this interview.

  110. yellowfour
    December 12, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    Not only that, any false threats created by antis that get intentionally blamed and framed on us are also our fault. When GamerGate call out these trolls and troublemakers, GG are the bad guys. It’s basically a stigma war that can’t be won, so there’s no point in trying. Sticks and stones and all.

    We just have to stick to our principles and purposes, which are rooting out corrupt games journalism, defending freedom of speech and expression, and fighting against any kind of censorship or industry blacklisting. It doesn’t matter what names they call GG or how the outside sees GG because we didn’t do this for fame (unlike some opportunists who we all know by now.) We won’t stand idly by and let games be destroyed by these parasites, like they did to comic books and atheism and others.

  111. Juan Solo
    Juan Solo
    January 11, 2015 at 8:05 am

    Respectfully, your history teachers failed you. “Nothing wrong with Marx” ? How about the more than a hundred million people killed by communist or socialist leaders in the pursuit of justice for the proletariat. Now I agree with you that the conflation of SJW issues and the pursuit of gaming journalism ethics in GamerGate is a coincidence and makes things confusing.

  112. David Gray
    David Gray
    January 12, 2015 at 7:00 am

    Marx is hardly responsible for everything done in the name of his work…