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Beamdog Addresses “Problematic” Content in Baldur’s Gate by Adding a Dash of Social Justice

Since its release this past Thursday, Beamdog’s Baldur’s Gate expansion Siege of Dragonspear has been gaining a lot of attention on RPG forums as well as social media. Unfortunately for all those involved, the attention has been largely negative, due to what is being perceived as a “social justice” theme running throughout the newly released game.

Billed as the game that would bridge the narrative gap between BioWare’s 1998 classic Baldur’s Gate and it’s sequel, Siege of Dragonspear’s aim was to introduce the idea of the bhaalspawn and explain what happened to the party prior to their capture by Irenicus. However, discussion now seems to be about the heavy-handed nature of its gender politicking.

Discussion first erupted on /v/ late Thursday night, where pictures and videos of the events in question began to trickle out. In the thread, many instances of fourth wall breakage and modern day gender politics were shown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__6nFM5GER8

The above video shows a shopkeep, who appears frequently during the game, going into detail about the path she took towards discovering her true gender identity. While by itself it might not be considered much to show concern towards, various other modern-day themes have cropped up in the fantasy epic. One of these would be fan-favorite Minsc and his fourth wall breakage when he makes a joke about GamerGate.

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There are other such instances, such as one of the new NPCs, a goblin shaman, chiding you for being racist, and the daughter of Corwin, one of the game’s new characters, critisizing the player character for showing concern towards their mother’s well-being, which many seem to consider to be a textbook case of “mansplaining”.

Perhaps worst of all would be the apparent change in Safana, the game’s sultry-voiced rogue. While in Baldur’s Gate she was a tease who played on male desire to get her way, her personality has now been altered within the expansion to be more in line with what the writers felt was acceptable. What this amounts to is Safana becoming a sarcastic dissenter who will now mock the player character during certain key events, particularly the one where Corwin’s daughter informs the player character that her mother does not need a man to protect her.

The changes made to Baldur’s Gate can perhaps be explained during a recent interview Kotaku conducted with Siege of Dragonspear writer Amber Scott. In the interview, Scott expresses dissatisfaction with the way women were handled in the original 1998 version of the game and describes how the company attempted to fix it:

    “If there was something for the original Baldur’s Gate that just doesn’t mesh for modern day gamers like the sexism, [we tried to address that],” said writer Amber Scott. “In the original there’s a lot of jokes at women’s expense. Or if not a lot, there’s a couple, like Safana was just a sex object in BG 1, and Jaheira was the nagging wife and that was played for comedy. We were able to say, ‘No, that’s not really the kind of story we want to make.’ In Siege of Dragonspear, Safana gets her own little storyline, she got a way better personality upgrade. If people don’t like that, then too bad.”
    “I got to write a little tender, romance-y side quest for Khalid and Jaheira where you could learn a little bit about how their marriage works and how they really feel about each other.”
    There’s also four new companions, one of whom is gay, one of whom is bisexual. There’s even a monster companion, a throwback to a Baldur’s Gate II easter egg. But it’s not just about representation for representation’s sake. Beamdog wanted to give players options.

Our own review for Siege of Dragonspear is currently underway.

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  1. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    April 3, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Nobody buys your shitty vignettes and Twine games, so instead you license a successful series and insert your awful gender politics. All of this without even building your own game from the ground up. SJWs are the most pathetic, talentless people in this industry.

  2. Trance
    Trance
    April 3, 2016 at 2:33 pm

    They picked up a franchise and turned it into their own soapbox for their own ideologies, because they are so incompetent to fill the holes with actual good writing.

  3. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    April 3, 2016 at 2:33 pm

    If they had simply gone off and made their own game, I could say live and let live. But this is a testament to the fact that gender politics don’t sell, and the only way to grab an audience is to trade on someone else’s good name.

  4. deadeye
    deadeye
    April 3, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    Making a joke about gamergate? Really?

    Stuff like this really makes me question how self-aware some of these folks are. No one outside of that stupid twitter war has a clue as to what gamergate was. Hell, no one in my circle of friends even knew what it was, and all of them monitor game news pretty heavily. So good job putting in a joke that 90% of everyone that plays the game will just be confused by it.

    And obviously, gay characters and trans characters are fine if they’re done well. They need personalities beyond “hello, I am Mr. Gay, my personality is I’m gay”, which seems to be the norm these days.

    Of course, a lot of people criticizing this game are going about it the wrong way. They’re saying that just because there are gay and trans characters, the series is ruined. Obviously, that’s not accurate. So now we’re gonna see articles “gamers are mad about gay people”.

    This whole thing is just gonna be a complete mess, and I’m gonna stay far, far away from it.

  5. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    Oh God they’re infecting everything aren’t they.

  6. Nocturnic
    Nocturnic
    April 3, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    And with the negativity on Steam forums and reviews, this shows the dangers of shoehorning your own beliefs into entertainment. No one likes it, and those sharing similar beliefs aren’t gonna give a shit anyway, hell; they may even dislike your work (see Intimidation Game).

  7. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    April 3, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    Well, more reason not to buy it.

  8. inquisitormcsagington
    inquisitormcsagington
    April 3, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    I Wish, I wish, I wish it were still April 1st….

  9. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    That’s basically what came to mind, that they can’t write their own plots or maintain the same the tone the original series had.

  10. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 3, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    Every day is April 1st anymore. That’s what’s so tiring about it all. We’re living in a badly written twilight zone episode.

  11. benzene
    benzene
    April 3, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    Silly Niche Gamer it’s not April 1st. You can stop now.

  12. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 3, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    They could’ve just up the graphics and call it a day since Baldur’s gate is pretty much perfect, but nooooo! We had to have gender politics inserted into everything. Down the memory hole it goes. Oceania was never at war wit Eastasia.

  13. Ardens Anima
    Ardens Anima
    April 3, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    Well, just look at Gone Home and Sunset.
    Identity politics never did a good job selling a game, even on it’s own merit.

    What they don’t understand is that this is exactly what pushes people away from their games.
    I’m fine if they want to make their own game. But if they don’t give-way to what people ACTUALLY want. They’ll fail as a business.

  14. Ardens Anima
    Ardens Anima
    April 3, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    inb4 the “game journalists” come out to defend this expansion.

  15. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 3, 2016 at 2:50 pm

    Gameplay-wise it isn’t much better. My own review will be spent going over the mechanics and how they’ve failed in that regard as well.

    They can defend the SocJus theme, but they can’t defend the broken gameplay itself.

  16. John Smith
    John Smith
    April 3, 2016 at 2:50 pm

    I love when they tell me straight up not to buy their games. Helps narrow down my choices since there are lots of good games to play already.

  17. VLX
    VLX
    April 3, 2016 at 2:50 pm

    I never played a single Baldur’s Gate or any of these really old-school RPGs because they’re before my time, but I damn well know that these are classics placed on some of the highest pedistals in gaming history.

    I know what it’s like to have an older game that you absolutely love to pieces and it’s bullshit that these people are allowed to do this. They should be damn ashamed of themselves.

  18. inquisitormcsagington
    inquisitormcsagington
    April 3, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    Oh and there’s one more point regarding the shopkeeper and transitioning or whatever. This is a D&D game-magcal items that change your gender are a thing. IT EVEN FUCKING HAPPENS TO ONE OF THE CHARACTERS IN YOUR PARTY IN CANON!

  19. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 3, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    No one knew what GamerGate was about because the media didn’t report it other than being a harassment campaign. There are some pretty good videos explaining the whole situation and what led to it – spoiler it was the corrupt media and the feminists that wanted to insert gender politics into gaming.

  20. Flat Club
    Flat Club
    April 3, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    I am triggered.

  21. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 3, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    True. That was brought up by someone in the 8chan /v/ thread I linked. The girdle of masculinity/femininity could be used in that case, but rather, they opted for the 2016 earth explanation instead of the 1100 Faerun explanation.

  22. JuicyHopFrog
    JuicyHopFrog
    April 3, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    Well at least I could pick up the Enhanced BG for 5 because this came out. And now, I can save even more money buy not buying this heavy handed shlock. Win/win.

  23. Cy
    Cy
    April 3, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    Adding in a gay romance or two was perfectly fine but this is just disgusting. It’s not even subtle, it’s just blatant “I’m promoting an agenda and there’s nothing you can do to stop me you stupid, ignorant gamer”. This kind of shit *never* works in games, and any kind of good will they might have had from the Enhanced Editions is completely washed away now. Good job, Beamdog, I’ll never buy another game from you ever again. And I’m definitely not alone in this.

  24. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    April 3, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    Not satisfied with ruining modern gaming, the armies of socjus also set their sights on burning the legacy of older games with new content more in line with THE CURRENT YEAR. I wonder how much they’ll be able to taint before their trustfunds run out and the patreon accounts bleed dry.

  25. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    I don’t even understand what the hell their goal is, what do they care what other people think anyway?

  26. Cy
    Cy
    April 3, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    That’s another thing too, these kinds of people almost never make good games to go along with their agenda pushing. It’s so painfully obvious that the focus was on the message over the game. I’m looking forward to reading this review.

  27. Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    April 3, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    Gone Home sold incredibly well actually, but I like to attribute that to people thinking it was a survival horror genre (since iirc the game was marketing itself as such.)

  28. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    April 3, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    As usual, we have the same old retards trying to insert themselves and their own petty politics in these games.

    Forgetting that we are the customers and all.

  29. deadeye
    deadeye
    April 3, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    Yeah, I’m familiar with what happened.

    You’ll find other people with different definitions of gamergate. For the past probably year I guess, it’s been nothing but people on twitter yelling at other people. Any kind of purpose of wanting to oust corruption in the industry is long gone.

    And there were people that were harassing others in the name of gamergate. You can say they didn’t really belong to the group, but you have no way of really proving it. Of course, there were plenty of people on the “other side” as well doing it. It became just two groups of shitty people trying to out-do each other.

    There’s plenty of examples of corruption and general game industry bullshit that gamergate doesn’t care about. It’s just an anti-SJW force now, and not a very good one.

  30. Cy
    Cy
    April 3, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    Because they believe that “wrongthink” is an actual thing that causes “real world harm”. They’re basically like any nutjob religion that wants to control every aspect of people’s lives.

  31. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    April 3, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    I believe it is because hey care what other people think. Thought crime is sacralige, and so it must be stomped out in all future games, this just seems like an attempt to cockblock people who take refuge in older vidya, by poisoning the well.

  32. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    What thoughts are wrong then? I’m pretty liberal by most definitions I’d think, but I don’t like what they’re doing.

  33. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 3, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    Maybe Sunset should have tried the same trick.

  34. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 3, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    The girdle is, admittedly, a rather rare and expensive item, if only because of the curse part.

    Spells of Polymorph, however, are easily available to BG1 Wizards. Both Polymorph Self and Polymorph Other exist, and while they’re not made for gender swaps, it should be fairly easy to do it, in setting, and even easier from a programming standpoint. They could have made that a quest! It might have been interesting! You could even have used the Girdle as one way to complete it.

  35. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 3, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    They should be hiring you as a writer instead of Gaider, I think.

  36. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 3, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    If anything GamerGate raised consumer awareness of how crap the media was and introduced many people to the feminist victim narrative. It was a pretty great indicator of SJW journalists/Youtube personalities.

    “And there were people that were harassing others in the name of gamergate.” – I’ll call “Citation needed” on that one.

    There is nothing wrong with being an SJW force given how they ruin everything as seen in the article above.

  37. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    I guess I won’t fully understand what their hangups are then, I can’t imagine caring that much about what others think.

  38. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    April 3, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    Liberal isn’t what it used to mean, to them, any game that does not hit every diversity box on the checklist is considered a white male power fantasy, and that is wrong. Also diversity is only in skin, every female must be a cutout of what a strong, independent woman should be, any sort of diversity of character that is not similar to this is wrong as well. It’s insanity, and it’s infecting everything in the media now days.

  39. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    April 3, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    Of course not, that is because you are a rational human being. What were seeing, are mindless drones fresh from their indoctrination courses spouting bullshit lines like racist, sexist, etc.

  40. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    April 3, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    Wow, they went from slight changes to being blantant.

    Thanks David, but EA marketing and Biowares brand loyalty wont save you now.

  41. Ardens Anima
    Ardens Anima
    April 3, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    My bad, thanks for the correction.

  42. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 3, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    There actually were others harassing people in the name of GamerGate. The keyword is “in the name of”. Most likely, they were there to troll people, but you can never be sure.

    I doubt it was anywhere near the level of an actual celebrity, though.

    In any case, Gamergate’s problem was that it was done over Twitter. And, quite frankly, if you browse Twitter, all you’ll find is twits.

  43. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    And that’s why I hate labeling myself, they keep changing the definitions.

  44. sanic
    sanic
    April 3, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    I guess the question is has/will it sell well, do people know of this and will they care?

  45. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    April 3, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    “Any kind of purpose of wanting to oust corruption in the industry is long gone.”

    Yeahhhh… No.

  46. deadeye
    deadeye
    April 3, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    It raised awareness, sure.

    I don’t have a problem with a “anti-SJW” force, so long as they actually do something. Right now, people are probably just sending strongly worded messages to the developers twitter, and just getting into pointless arguments with other people on forums.

    It accomplishes nothing. SJWs are still gonna do what they want to do.

  47. Smug
    Smug
    April 3, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    The real horror was when people figured out what they’ve bought

  48. carbohydratecrab
    carbohydratecrab
    April 3, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    Can confirm- I bought it thinking it was a different game and was disappointed by the ending. Shows they did a good job marketing at least…

  49. inquisitormcsagington
    inquisitormcsagington
    April 3, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    Shit, how many times has Eleminster turned into a chick?

  50. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    April 3, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard the word “Fix” used in the context of writing for anything that wasn’t disgustingly retarded.

  51. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    if you think about it, it’s really disrespectful to the original writing. Do people go back and ‘fix’ controversial books?

  52. Smug
    Smug
    April 3, 2016 at 3:20 pm

    Nothing is sacred

  53. Ardens Anima
    Ardens Anima
    April 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    They mean “fix” like how people mean they “fix” their pets.

  54. Phlapoo
    Phlapoo
    April 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    I spent the first hour moving slowly and looking behind me. Everything up until after that hidden staircase where thr light goes out was creepy…and then it became GAY

  55. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    ROFL, excellent analogy.

  56. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 3, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    Citation needed on the harassment stuff.

  57. Heavily Augmented
    Heavily Augmented
    April 3, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    Well if there’s one little nugget in all of this that’s good is the fact that the new developers can’t change the original script because Beamdog doesn’t have the rights to them so at least we have the originals still kept sacred.

  58. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 3, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    Just be careful of any women with beards in taverns, okay?

    And the “Wizards do it with a longstaff” meme is not an exaggeration.

  59. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    April 3, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    Fuck you Amber and fuck people who think like you. You aren’t making gaming better by injecting your bullshit into games you’re actually making things worse. I am not a fan of Bauldr’s Gate but I know your fucking with a classic and driving more veteran gamers and newcomers off by babying them. I can’t count how many female gamers I’ve talked to that feel like they’re being patronized. Good job SJW’s!

  60. CommanderZx2
    CommanderZx2
    April 3, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    All the usual sites will claim that gamergate brigaded the steam forums, etc. Claiming the devs were harassed about the expansion and completely ignore the issues.

  61. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    April 3, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    I don’t think you understand how contradictory you’re being.

    “Criticizing them on social media and their forums leads to nothing.”

    Yeah, what do you want to do instead? Burn down their house or something?

    The mere act of raising awareness is great because people will not buy this shit because no one likes this type of shit.

    “The whole reason I “left” was because I kept being called an “ethics cuck” because I didn’t want to participate in arguments that accomplished nothing and instead wanted to focus on actually advocating stronger codes of ethics in games media.”

    That’s probably because you’re a self-defeating twat, besides being an “ethics cuck”. You clearly have no idea how any of this shit works.

    “Gamergate is more or less dead now.”

    http://i.imgur.com/NSwZf9Y.jpg

  62. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 3, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    Bad ideas should be challenged, be that on Twitter, forums or in a comment section. Letting developers know that consumers are not happy with the changes and seeing their reaction will show us pretty well where they stand.

    Nobody was forcing you to get into arguments you don’t want. GamerGate has not leadership or structure. It is a consumer revolt of people that have nearly nothing in common.

    I think that GG evolved into a media watchdog – whenever stuff like this happens the people who followed the controversy are far more informed.

    GG being a boogeyman is awesome. It reveals SJW developers like the ones above.

  63. Zaku
    Zaku
    April 3, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    I’ve been playing Nights of Azure. You play as a girl and end up in a relationship with another girl. It’s done well and I don’t feel like I’m being preached to by the devs. This is pretty bad though. It’s not subtle at all. As for the GG joke I don’t really follow it myself so I don’t really understand the joke. I really hope it doesn’t become a trend to shove these kinds of jokes into games. It’s almost as bad as a Nintendo meme.

  64. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    April 3, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    “In the original there’s a lot of jokes at women’s expense. Or if not a lot, there’s a couple,”

    So what are you saying here? There was a lot, or there wasn’t, you are sounding like an idiot here.

    “In Siege of Dragonspear, Safana gets her own little storyline, she got a way better personality upgrade. If people don’t like that, then too bad.”

    Way better in YOUR opinion, not by many others. And yeah, too bad you won’t be getting my money then.

    “But it’s not just about representation for representation’s sake. Beamdog wanted to give players options.”

    Bull to the shit!!!!

  65. Jumanji Joe
    Jumanji Joe
    April 3, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    This 100%. It’s how all sjws operate. They don’t create, they subjugate.

  66. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    April 3, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    BUT THAT DOESN’T COUNT BECAUSE ANIME WIFU TIZ MISGYOIST!!!!

  67. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    April 3, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    Great, they’re shoving their own political agenda into beloved games of the past now.

    And a GamerGate joke? Seriously? The only time I hear about that HASHTAG is when these people use it as a scapegoat for criticism. For a group of people that would like nothing more than have it die out, they sure are doing a great job of both making sure it stays alive and complaining that it’s still alive. Fucking hell.

  68. Demonee-Ho
    Demonee-Ho
    April 3, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    “If people don’t like that, then too bad.” – Amber Scott on how to fail in business

  69. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    That’s victim-hood for ya.

  70. Smug
    Smug
    April 3, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    That’s because Yoru no Nai Kuni (its original title) has cute girls doing cute things and there is absolutely no political bullshit behind it.

    Pretty much the reason why I despise girl/girl relationships portrayed by the West in vidya/comics, as they try too hard to be “progressive” and “empowered”. That shit isnt cute at all.

    I just want girls holding hands each other

  71. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    April 3, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    Japan was always good with simply having homosexual characters without trying to push any agenda bullshit. Even Dragonball and Sailor Moon had them.

  72. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    April 3, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    And my blacklist grows.

  73. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    April 3, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    Wasn’t a lot of the “Gamergate harassment” just stuff that was pinned on it?

    Not saying it never happened, but you didn’t even need to mention GG to get lumped into it. Gamergate was even accused of making anonymous bomb threats on at least one occasion.

  74. Zaku
    Zaku
    April 3, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    I do enjoy cute girls doing cute things. I couldn’t agree more about how girl/girl is done in the west. It always feels like one girl is trying to out-gay the other. The writers are trying way too hard and it feels really unnatural or forced.

  75. Rumble Red
    Rumble Red
    April 3, 2016 at 3:53 pm

    When Age of Empires II got its first new expansion on Steam I was really excited for this new age of classic games getting fresh updates and content.

    Now Baldur’s Gate has a reference to a Twitter fight in it. OK.

  76. ChaosBahamut
    ChaosBahamut
    April 3, 2016 at 3:54 pm

    Baldur’s Gate: Siege of the Dragonspear is now non-canon.

    So says I.

  77. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    April 3, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    I guess we should go back and ‘fix’ all the awful shit that happens in our history books.

    There’s also one other very controversial book I’m pretty sure a lot of people would be rather offended at having ‘fixed’, if you catch my drift.;)

  78. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    April 3, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    “a goblin shaman, chiding you for being racist”
    That’s the worst of them all to me.
    The one race that is constantly on your ass trying to kill you is the one being mad at you being mad at them.
    Even still, they deserved better than to be made into the SJWs of fantasy.

  79. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    Honestly there’s so many I don’t know for sure which you’re referring to, so many would fall into that category.

  80. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 3, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    Weren’t the console sales a massive failure or something?

  81. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    April 3, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    I’m okay with this.

  82. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    April 3, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    Pretty much no western game (There’s Arcade and… uh…) has come close to Saga Frontier in writing gay characters, and that game is 2 decades old.

  83. Crotalus_Wit
    Crotalus_Wit
    April 3, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    “If people don’t like that, then too bad.”

    “The People”, SJW’s will never get it… NO ONE CARES. Thanks for Fvcking it up…AGAIN!

  84. Grey
    Grey
    April 3, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    Virtually everything negative said or done in relation to either video games or any figure even tangentially related to the controversy during it’s height was blamed on GameGate. Still is, in some cases.

    No evidence was or is required. If it was bad, it was GamerGate doing it. Even if it was something bad being done TO GamerGate, GamerGate was still to blame. Because gamers were just fanatical, like that. They’d murder their own to score political points.

    Yep.

  85. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    April 3, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    It comes across as “There was, um, like, this 1 joke about women, so, like, I wrote a whole SJW game that I always dreamed of since I went on Twitter and discovered how upset I should be about it, and, like, since we own the BG franchise it was sooo the perfect opportunity to inject my narcissism into a game! Who really cares about that anyways, right? As long as I get my whiny opinion heard!”

    Or something like that.

  86. Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    April 3, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    This is just sickening and wrong. Great job at destroying an RPG classic. Hope this game bombs and leads to a small step towards getting rid of the SJW. But in all seriouseness how do we get rid of them once and for all?

  87. LinKurosawa
    LinKurosawa
    April 3, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    Honestly? Burn it all down, they control the media and have wormed their way into positions of power at large companies.

    Don’t support, don’t buy, don’t even pirate and call it out.

  88. Matïz
    Matïz
    April 3, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    Protip: when referencing imageboard threads, use archived versions instead of direct links.The thread you linked to is going to 404 in a few hours.

  89. LinKurosawa
    LinKurosawa
    April 3, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    Probably the fastest way to piss people off is to alter a beloved classic in this manner, completely pointless to as only classic fans where keeping an eye on this, no SJW is going to buy Baldurs gate.

  90. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    April 3, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    “If there was something for the original Baldur’s Gate that just doesn’t
    mesh for modern day gamers like the sexism, [we tried to address
    that],”

    Just who exactly are these “modern day gamers”? Since you’re neither the majority of gamers much less Baldurs Gate fans, I take it this is more of that redefining stuff you guys like to do, or perhaps “cultural appropriation”. Most gamers don’t actually give a crap about this stuff.

    “If people don’t like that, then too bad.”

    Do you even know who your audience is then? The only people who like this stuff is your own little circle-jerk of sjws, who won’t actually buy this game to begin with.

    Whats the context for the Goblin Shaman chiding you for racism by the way? That wouldn’t actually be bad or out of place unless its being used as a scapegoat.

  91. Hannes Steenkamp
    Hannes Steenkamp
    April 3, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    Sigh. March it into the ovens at a steady, yet brisk pace.

  92. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 3, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHA

    This is too funny.

  93. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    That’s their goal.

  94. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 3, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    Doesn’t matter.Treat it as fan fiction.

  95. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    I’d like to know what a ‘modern day gamer’ is too. I’ve been playing video games nearly my whole life, starting with the NES, and I know there are people here older than me as well.

  96. Io
    Io
    April 3, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    Japan makes characters that just happen to be gay.
    The west makes characters that have to remind you how gay they are every 5 minutes.
    That’s how I see it lol

  97. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    Probably a gamer who believes in their ideology,that’s my guess.

  98. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    Exactly, somehow their animu characters come off as being more realistic about the whole thing, rather than it being shoehorned in.

  99. King of Bros
    King of Bros
    April 3, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    Chan threads are transient things.

    If you must link to them,i’d recommend an archive,as actual threads are unlikely to last more than a few days,leaving readers that stumble upon the article in a few days confused as to what ”Discussion first erupted on /v/ late Thursday night”.

  100. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 3, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    Support the people that are making quality instead.

  101. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    Couldnt have said it better.It’s this gayness showed down our troats that’s fucking annoying.

  102. Noodles
    Noodles
    April 3, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    I don’t even think the Social Justice crap is the main problem here. The writing in that video seemed incredibly bad to me as a whole. I know close to nothing about Baldur’s Gate but I am under the impression that it used to be a series acclaimed for its writing. Yet, that shopkeep’s backstory was incredible forced and poorly delivered. Not to mention completely OUT OF TONE with the rest of the game.

    This woman appears to me as a bad writer trying to justify herself with this social justice nonsense. If you want homosexual characters, transgenders and such in gaming AND well-written… Well, there actually are a couple of them… In JRPGs mostly. Ah, sweet irony.

  103. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    Agreed. If you read the whole Kotaku interview with Amber Scott, she literally says that they thought about making an original IP but that would be “too much effort”.

  104. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 3, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    Yes.That’s their (wrong) interpretation at least.
    But a gamer is,and always will be,a gaming enthusiast.

  105. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    I bought it on sale via Steam because I’d heard people on forums say it was good. Then a day later I found out it’s just SJW propaganda and refunded that shit so hard, they’re still feeling the sting.

  106. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    That would also require some talent,something sjws lack so instead they parasite the work of others.

  107. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    Hack writers gonna hack. As you said, it’s not that these issues can’t be in games, but like anything it has to be done well to be respected.

  108. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    Because the typical gamer (yes, there’s a huge variety, but “on average”) is a straight white male in his early 30’s – and SJWs HATE people who are straight, white, or male and thus anything enjoyed by straight white males MUST be “fixed” by force. Hell, they’re even starting to do it with sports too.

  109. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 3, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    The nightmare is real.

  110. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Yup like how Alison Rapp was fired from Nintendo for having a second job doing sexy / nude modeling, yet the SJWs in the media immediately blamed it on “harassment from gamergate” and “gamergate getting women fired from the games industry”.

  111. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    She was also advocating for pedophilia but the msm conveniently ignored it.

  112. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    The content of the game and the buggy nature would already get is mediocre reviews, but to give an interview before the release attacking your potential customers? That woman is a special kind of stupid.

  113. Hannes Steenkamp
    Hannes Steenkamp
    April 3, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    What every far left/communist wants. To shit things up for the ones the “proletariat” (oppressed class, what they seem themselves as, queer,black and female)view as in charge. Basically if you are straight huwhite and male you form part of the bourgeoisie and need to be knocked down a few pegs… That means what you like must be destroyed or subverted to what they want.

    Look around college campus for college students yelling things like “we have nothing to lose but our chains!” and you will get a good idea about what I am taking about.

  114. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    Well, from what I’ve read, they injected some SJW shit into the Enhanced Editions via DLC characters.

  115. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    Sjws are well known for not being the smartest.

  116. Crotalus_Wit
    Crotalus_Wit
    April 3, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    Truth.

  117. Crotalus_Wit
    Crotalus_Wit
    April 3, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    That’s what they said about the bible…. now look….

  118. Smug
    Smug
    April 3, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    I have yet to see western comics that could make my heart melt like the doujins made by Itou Hachi

  119. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 3, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    LOL!Yeah The Bible fanfic is called the Quran if you think about it.

  120. Yosharian
    Yosharian
    April 3, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    I tried to argue the points in the BD forums, but I got banned. Oh well.

  121. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    They’re so sure of their opinions that they can’t stand to read yours.

  122. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    The irony of their saying since they don’t realize they are chained to their ideology.

  123. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    From the screenshot I found, it appears that they just randomly say the line while your party is walking around – it’s not even part of an actual conversation.

    http://8ch.net/v/src/1459487953788.jpg

  124. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    If these people ban you then you must do something right.

  125. JuicyHopFrog
    JuicyHopFrog
    April 3, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    Exactly, Whenever someone tries force something an idea into dialogue, it becomes stilted and out of place. There are quite a few homosexual, trans, and so forth characters that exist and fit in because they are organically written. This was just so cringe worthy, I’m actually shocked that this person has a professional level job in writing.

  126. youareivan
    youareivan
    April 3, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    so with scott’s quote at the end of the story i have to ask if there were “a lot of jokes” or “a couple” of jokes at women’s expense since she says both? those two states seem at odds to me.

  127. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 3, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    “Vote with your wallet.” is the maxim of the day.

  128. LinKurosawa
    LinKurosawa
    April 3, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    SJWs have convinced themselves they are the majority, whenever they create a game they create it for their SJW buddies because they are the majority.

  129. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    Or maybe “I saw one (likely out of context) and made assumptions about the rest of the game.”

  130. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    April 3, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    What if you put the girdle on a tranny character?

  131. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    April 3, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    This actually made me really upset, both Baldur’s Gate games are some of my favorites.

    I’m just going to close this tab, forget that this exists and go to sleep.

    RIP

  132. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    That too, but I think putting out effort scares them more than seeing a white male.

  133. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 3, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    I only use the monk, he only talked about his cult and his mission, what does he say?. Also, what kind of shit injected in the others, when they were evil.

  134. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 3, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Was she talking about lolicon, or actual pedophilia?

  135. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    That too, but Nintendo’s official reason for firing her was doing the modeling / porn (I’m not sure how far she actually went), including sometimes using Nintendo products in her photo shoots.

  136. Didney Worl
    Didney Worl
    April 3, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    They say “it’s not just about representation for representation’s sake”, but I’m seeing otherwise. All I’m seeing here is Beamdog filling a quota:

    – We need a gay character
    – We need a trans character
    – We need a strong independent woman who don’t need no man
    – We need a GamerGate joke, IN 20-GODDAMN-16!
    – We need to call out racism and sexism in the most hamfisted way possible

    Look, I’m not against having diverse representation or talks about social justice in videogames, all I’m asking for is that these people do it in a way that doesn’t feel forced or pandering. Don’t just give me a gay character and call it a day, give me a well-written, likable (or unlikable if they’re a villain) character who just happens to be gay.

  137. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    I heard both, but I don’t know for sure, didn’t read her paper.

  138. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 3, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    You have to be really brave to openly say that you don’t make original IP because it is too difficult. Then are they going to continue making enhanced edition and expansions until they close? At least Obsidian and Inxile make spiritual successors of classics games and continue making original IP like Tyranny.

  139. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    I’d actually be afraid of touching a classic IP, for fear that I wouldn’t live up to its standards. It’s pretty ballsy that they think they can just rewrite the tone like this and ‘fix’ it.

  140. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 3, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    Then it was a really bad move to promote it. And even then they are still saying that it was Gamergate.

  141. Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    April 3, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    Wouldn’t be surprised, seeing as by that point everyone knew about Gone Home and what kind of game it was.

  142. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    They’re counting on rabid fanboyism and people not knowing what they’re buying. I saw plenty of positive reviews on Steam with people saying “I don’t care about the bugs and crappy writing, I’m a Baldur’s Gate fanboy so I bought it and recommend everyone buy it” almost verbatim.

  143. Heavily Augmented
    Heavily Augmented
    April 3, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    My god, they’re actually begging their fans to do something on their forums about the negativity!

    https://archive.is/vK2cv

  144. LinKurosawa
    LinKurosawa
    April 3, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    https://archive.is/AepjD

    They are not asking for people to post positive reviews which is against Steam’s ToS.

    Its funny though that keep calling us the minority then ask for something like this.

  145. Noodles
    Noodles
    April 3, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    That’s… Really sad. So, they are actually consenting bad writing because she is a woman and a feminist or what? How’s that not sexist?

  146. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    All I wanted for years was a worthy successor to BG1 and 2, and this is what Beamdog shits out. Absolutely unacceptable. Clearly none of them have even played BG 1 and 2 because I can name dozens of examples where the game mocks men.

    I hate this culture in the west where it’s perfectly fine for men to be mocked, shamed and mentally challenged buffoons but once women do anything “inappropriate” it’s a fucking holocaust of sexism. (In a violent and unpredictable setting, mind you. Read some fucking Forgotten Realms Beamdog.)

    Did these people even read or listen Viconia’s lines? How about the Viconia romance in BG2 where she calls you a bumbling fool that doesn’t know how to use his hands? #notallvirgins Viconia! Check your sexual partner privilege.

    Do they not remember how Khalid was a coward and a moron deserving of his deriding? How he gets drilled into? Jaheira’s nagging attitude was justified. Noone else respects him anyway.

    Minsc being ACTUALLY mentally challenged/damaged and all the offhanded comments about it? Almost everyone calls him stupid.

    Of course not. These people don’t even fucking play games.

  147. Kain Yusanagi
    Kain Yusanagi
    April 3, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    Actually, doing miniscule changes is infinitely easier and far easier to render permanent than massive changes, using polymorph type spells. ;)

  148. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 3, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    At least for people who aren’t fanboys, when they see that this expansion has a user rating lower than the orignals, like C&C 4 and Empire Earth 3, I hope they don’t buy it.

  149. Jade Blake
    Jade Blake
    April 3, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    Does this mean I win the game as a non-human, not-white female PC?

  150. Bitterbear
    Bitterbear
    April 3, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    Them pseudoprincesses have been raised all their lives with the idea that the universe exists only to spin around them. This is what happens when they are exposed to reality but refuse to acknowledge it.

  151. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    April 3, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    Found this on 8chan, apparently the president of the company is asking for positive reviews on Steam, GOG, and Metacritic.

  152. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    Pathetic.

  153. dogmentation
    dogmentation
    April 3, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    This is part of the reason I love reading. In books, you can have characters who are actual CHARACTERS without someone trying to string the author up for misogyny, racism, bigotry, or any other offense imagined by those with overactive social awareness entitlement and little grasp of reality.

    So you made a game with some one-dimensional characters in it. So? Some people ARE one-dimensional. Not everyone is culturally or racially understanding and accepting, everyone has different opinions and beliefs and motivations, this is what makes them INTERESTING. Writing characters who are complex individuals is way more important than pleasing the social justice gestapo.

  154. palaeomerus
    palaeomerus
    April 3, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    It’s defacing something is what it is. People payed for new graphics and not a damned pointless incompetent rewrite that takes you out of the storyline.

  155. palaeomerus
    palaeomerus
    April 3, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    Most of the people reading the game journalists these days want to argue with their crap.

  156. Michael Richardson
    Michael Richardson
    April 3, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    I don’t mind if a person with a social justice mindset wants to create a game that reflects their values. I also don’t mind that the writer is unapologetic about it (if you’re going to create something with a clear philosophical bent to it, then just own that and go for it). What annoys me, though, is this attitude that they’re going to take some classic, well-known property like BG and “fix” it by changing how certain characters in the game are characterized. It’s arrogant and shows incredible disrespect to the original script.

  157. Guest
    Guest
    April 3, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    This is the same ideological group of people who are trying to rewrite history to be less ‘sexist’, ‘racist’, etc. The entire motive behind what they’re doing is to have authority over what people are allowed to think and say. Gotta fix that wrongthink to please Chairman Anita.

  158. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    We can hope. What I’d really like to see, but I know it won’t happen – especially since their creative director or writing director (I forget which title) was the main writer responsible for all of the SJW stuff in Dragon Age 2 and 3, would be for them to either fire her or put her on final notice and then remove the out of place political bullshit from the game and replace it with better written material that actually fits Baldur’s Gate.

  159. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    Exactly, but instead they’re going to take the criticism as ‘we all hate the gays’ or something, when my hunch is that most of us are otherwise fine with it.

  160. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 3, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    The Wild Mage, Aneera, is a mary sue of the highest quality. It’s so bad that in BG2, you help her, can romance her, and at the end she basically cucks you by telling you she needs to be a strong independent woman and goes off to sow her wild oats.

  161. Guest
    Guest
    April 3, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    It’s also insulting to anyone who liked any of the things that they changed due to the assertion that you’re sexist.

  162. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 3, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    Good point. Our policy is normally not to use Archive, since we want to be fair to sites and don’t want a case where we are “called out” for denying a site its ad clicks, which apparently is “a thing”.

  163. Ricardo Lima
    Ricardo Lima
    April 3, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Pretty much a unecessary injection of identity politics.

  164. palaeomerus
    palaeomerus
    April 3, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    Looks like people don’t like that. Too bad for “people” or too bad for “Beamdog”.

    Hint: It’s the 2nd one.

  165. Svengali_In_Platforms
    Svengali_In_Platforms
    April 3, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    As a gay person, in real life, I don’t go about my day pushing on about my sexual preference. How does a character in a video game even reflect their sexuality. This boggles the mind and why so many who would be fine with any sexual preference can see why it’s there, simply to push this person Amber Scotts arrogance. Maybe this is the way games and film wil go now, insert a character that’s gay or transgender then when any feedback is given call the critical ones homophobic, hates trans people or the ideal ones used to shut down any dissent, “racist”. Disappointing that Ms Scott feels the only answer to this is arrogance and belligerence, you only magnify hate which ironically is all these agenda pushers live off, otherwise they would have no careers.

  166. palaeomerus
    palaeomerus
    April 3, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    Yeah I bought a DLC for a remake of an old D&D game so obviously a I want to deal with the half baked smarmy tumblr patriarchy grudges of a socially incompetent 20 something I don’t know or care to know.

  167. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    It’s blatant agenda pushing using one dimensional characters. These people don’t realize just how homophobic they’re being. Characters that are gay just for the sake of being gay are just poorly written and is obvious pandering.

  168. Etherblaze
    Etherblaze
    April 3, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    No one’s going to remember “Mizhena”. When you have to remind someone, you’ll have to describe them as “Mizhena, that tranny that changed her name using different syllables from different languages”

    I’m not ENTIRELY sure about the world of Faerun/their languages, but I’m not sure how using syllables from different languages to put together a single word actually works. Like, what does it mean?

    Also Mizhena doesn’t actually sound like a weird name, considering you have names like Minsc,

  169. Bitterbear
    Bitterbear
    April 3, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    Islam is.

  170. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    It means they’re a special snowflake. That’s it. You could make Mizhena from a combination of many real languages. It’s terrible writing.

  171. scemar
    scemar
    April 3, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    You know a goblin accusing a human of racism is not that far fetched, might add immersion to the game, seems believable so why not.

    But suddenly going full tumblr in a medieval game is just retarded, I’m sorry, you ruined it.

  172. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 3, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    The higher the label is in their ranking of victimism the more sacred it is for them.

  173. Smug
    Smug
    April 3, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    oh boy dont remind me
    I no longer count the number of cucked people who honestly believe in the Religion of peace™ and #notallmuslims memes

  174. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 3, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    That is almost as sad as when Briana Wu tried to fabricate her own harassment on the Steam forums. Almost.

  175. LunarArchivist
    LunarArchivist
    April 3, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    “Dammit, Scott, we said add a PINCH of social justice, not a PINT!”

  176. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 3, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    I guess you haven’t heard of the Sad Puppies and the Hugo Awards controversy? No form of media is safe from these ideologues.

  177. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 3, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    Then I’m glad that I only liked the monk, I like this class since PoE, and I prefer to make a mage as my character so I didn’t need her.

  178. Fantaman
    Fantaman
    April 3, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    They knew gamers wouldn’t touch a SJW game with a ten foot pole so the only thing they had left was to piggyback from a known IP.

  179. dogmentation
    dogmentation
    April 3, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    That’s an award show. Those are always going to be progressive popularity contests. I’m saying that there are good writers out there who aren’t afraid to unapologetically write realistic personalities as opposed to politically correct caricatures, which is what most video game characters are these days.
    (Unless they’re villains. Video game villains get a free pass to be racist, bigoted, misogynistic het cis shitlords.)

  180. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    April 3, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    First Dragon Age now Baldur’s Gate!? Why are SWJs ruining everything!?

  181. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 3, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    Yeah, I agree. It is a but harder for SJWs to attack books since they actually have to read it. With movies, comics and videogames they can simply judge a character on his looks.

    My point was that we should be on the lookout for their infestation in all media.

  182. Noah Howard
    Noah Howard
    April 3, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    WHY!?

  183. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 3, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    That’s the reason why people would prefer making a white male character. They can do all they want with them, you want to kill them? sure, you want to destroy their life? OK you want make him live his worst nightmare? it would be fun. But if you dare to put a woman or any label, you will have a pubiic execution where you may be fired and don’t work anymore because they will make sure that no one hires you and will keep harassing you until they forget you.

  184. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    Reminds me of this.
    I just wish people would give a shit about men once in a while.

  185. DrearierSpider
    DrearierSpider
    April 3, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    I grabbed all 3 of the “enhanced editions” on GOG just the other day because they are only $3 each. Immediately going to file a support ticket to get a refund, a developer like this doesn’t deserve a cent of my money.

  186. Etherblaze
    Etherblaze
    April 3, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    GrimGrimoire for the PS2 (developed by Vanillaware) has the main character be a gay. And it’s actually integrated into the plot; she reveals her love for another female character to stop her from sacrificing herself. At the end of the game she’s living with that character.

  187. Celerity
    Celerity
    April 3, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    Yeah. We kill them and take their stuff, so goblin vs civilized humanoid racism actually fits. All this other shit though? They didn’t even try making it fantasy like, by having some perverted Wizard who abuses Alter Self or something.

  188. Celerity
    Celerity
    April 3, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    You know you have an objectively shit game when the devs are begging for positive reviews within 3 days of its release.

  189. Landale
    Landale
    April 3, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    There is a belt of gender changing in the games, they could’ve used that for the trans character. They went Tumblr levels of retarded instead.
    The Drow are a matriarchal society, could’ve gotten a “Don’t need no man”/”mansplaining”/whatever the fuck else moment in from them. Nope, human child spewing it.
    The “Ethics in __” crack could’ve easily come from a few characters, Anomen or Nalia could’ve easily had a minor scene somewhere to make it. It sounds ALMOST like something that would come out of them during their stupider time. But no, they had to take the jab with probably the most popular character to make it hurt.

    So, as you said, they didn’t even try to make the shit fit. They tried to piss people off. And it worked.

  190. NuclearKangaroo
    NuclearKangaroo
    April 3, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    dat gamergate reference…

    exterminate yourself please, i was willing to ignore the trans shit, and assume the dev wasnt trying to push their shitty politics, but no, they really are trying to push that garbage with this game, good job alienating their audience

    http://i.imgur.com/o4gMrvW.gif

  191. NuclearKangaroo
    NuclearKangaroo
    April 3, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    according to the steam review the game is also very buggy

  192. Tarrasque
    Tarrasque
    April 3, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    Dropped

  193. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    April 3, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    I thought that was the case myself. Thank god I didnt buy it.

  194. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 3, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    I’ve said it before with regards to comics. When you take something existing and beloved and change it to insert your own politics, that only shows me a massive lack of respect for the original work.

    Furthermore, it isn’t creative in the least bit. It’s just a bad fanfic. Although in several cases, I doubt the ‘writer’ (and I use the term loosely) was even a fan to begin with.

  195. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    They become a woman that wants to be a man.

  196. Guest
    Guest
    April 3, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    It’s not about helping minorities, it’s about going on Kotaku and telling everyone that you did.

  197. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 3, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    That reminds me of an article I read a while back. Something about the rise of geek culture and hipsters vs nerds/geeks.

    Essentially, hipsters care about being the guy who liked something before it was cool. In other words, they care what people think because the ‘vindication’ of being right about what’s cool is the whole point to them.

    Nerds/geeks on the other hand, like things simply because they like the thing in question regardless of whether it’s is cool or not. And often times, their obsession with the thing will make it look uncool anyway. But the point is that they don’t care what others think.

    So hipsters hate nerds/geeks because geek culture (comic book movies, science, etc) is suddenly cool and they neither worked for it nor care about the sudden popularity of their hobby.

  198. PegasusOrgans
    PegasusOrgans
    April 3, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    Says the caveman loser who just wants the world to be back to how it was in “the good old days” when blacks had their own washroom, and men could hit a woman and feel proud of it. Why don’t you cry some more, caveboy.

  199. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 3, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    Hell, I’m catholic and I can’t disagree.

  200. PegasusOrgans
    PegasusOrgans
    April 3, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    I’m sure you’ll still play it. Besides, caveboy’s are predominately pirates so its not like they’ll be losing your sale. You were never going to spend cash anyway. Too many life size female dolls to buy, afterall.

  201. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    Sounds about right. I like the things I like, and I won’t stop liking them because it offends someone else.

  202. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    A wild Beamdog shill appears.

  203. PegasusOrgans
    PegasusOrgans
    April 3, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    Yeah, you only buy right wing Fox propaganda, amirite? TRUMP2016!!! Now THERE’S a man who can put women in their place.

  204. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 3, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    Dat first reply tho.

    “I might be doomsaying but I can imagine people saying things such as “This game’s so bad devs are begging people to make positive reviews!”, effectively leading to a “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation.”

  205. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    “Says the caveman loser who just wants the world to be back to how it was
    in “the good old days” when blacks had their own washroom”

    Hey dumbass, guess who is trying to bring back Crow style segregation? Pro-tip: It’s not white people.

    http://archive.is/zUnOI

  206. PegasusOrgans
    PegasusOrgans
    April 3, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    But according to you idiots Bioware is a “loser company full of SJWs pushing ideas like gays deserve to be treated like people!! LOL FAGS!!!” Right?? So, who is Bioware parasite-ing (?! you do realize “parasite” isn’t a verb, dumbo?)?

  207. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 3, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    “when blacks had their own washroom”

    You do know that that’s happening again, right? And it isn’t even white people doing it. Ever since BLM, they’re making safe spaces for themselves, essentially self induced segregation.

    I’m Asian living in Asia so don’t call me white.

  208. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    Looks like the terrible writers over at Beamdog can’t handle a little criticism of their deviantart-fanfic tier mod for a 17 year old game.

  209. PegasusOrgans
    PegasusOrgans
    April 3, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    Because Fox n Friends right wing, shtgun toting white bread americuns don’t subjugate. Just ignore the native americans. And half of the known world. Let’s ask Iraq how they enjoy all that “freedumb” you sent them. Idiot.

  210. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    Literally noone is talking about any of this shit. You’re grasping at the tiniest of straws Beamdog.

  211. PegasusOrgans
    PegasusOrgans
    April 3, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    No, it shows how pathetic basement dwelling losers have waaaay too much time on their hands. And Vaseline. They also have a shit ton of that on their hands.

  212. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    “Noone likes my identity politics and shitty writing! Better insult them!”

  213. PegasusOrgans
    PegasusOrgans
    April 3, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    Yup, you guys are scum and make me ashamed that I play the same games as you fucking wastes of space.

  214. totenglocke
    totenglocke
    April 3, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    Obviously that’s how you get people to support your political views, by screaming unrelated insults at them. …right?

  215. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 3, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    Ad Hominem is a centuries old tactic that never fails to amuse.

  216. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 3, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    “Loud minority”.That guy needs a reality check.If he wanted to push his agenda into a game so badly he should’ve left BG alone and do it on Dragon Age 3 instead.

  217. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 3, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    “How does a character in a video game even reflect their sexuality.”

    The same way people in real life reflect their sexuality. Only in the bedroom, or obnoxiously. For some reason, these people think the only way to express sexuality is the latter.

  218. TheCybercoco
    TheCybercoco
    April 3, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    Not so ‘ballsy’ when you have little to no respect for the original work in question. That’s just plain idiotic.

  219. blackice85
    blackice85
    April 3, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    True, not like they’ve got a sense of humility.

  220. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    April 3, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    Heck, even if they make something where 90% of the cast is gay, they can still make a good product. I remember watching something a few years back, God Save the King or something, where it was complete fujoshi bait. But the story was actually good and engaging and none of the homo was annoying or obnoxious even when entire scenes get devoted to that. The MC even had a gay tsundere fiance and I didn’t even care.

  221. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    The only thing these pathetic ideologues can do.

  222. Yabloko Molloco San
    Yabloko Molloco San
    April 3, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    But, can you mock those npcs like you could with many of the people in the original game?

  223. Landale
    Landale
    April 3, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    From what I’ve seen, you can accept their bullshit, grudgingly accept their bullshit, or walk away. You can murder them though, look forward to them patching in protections on them.

  224. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    The Western devs should take a look at Senran Kagura.Alot of the characters are lesbians,interesting and likeable,that’s how it’s done right.

  225. Yabloko Molloco San
    Yabloko Molloco San
    April 3, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    But can you insult them? I remember that the usual dialogs were “nice guy/sarcastic guy/complete asshole” in the classic bg games.

  226. Landale
    Landale
    April 3, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    From what I’ve seen, no. You have to be the nicest person ever in the face of complete fucking stupidity or you have to murder the fuck out of it. Any other interaction is utterly incomprehensible apparently.

  227. TheCybercoco
    TheCybercoco
    April 3, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Nothing ironic about that. That just figures.

  228. GethN7
    GethN7
    April 3, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    If you like the product yourself, fine, it’s a free market, you’ll buy what you enjoy, but if others don’t like it, that’s their choice, no need to descend into ad hominem.

  229. GethN7
    GethN7
    April 3, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Everyone knows gays deserve to be treated like people IRL. We do not need a fictional medium to remind us of a real life truth.

  230. GethN7
    GethN7
    April 3, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    If you can’t win an argument except by insulting the people who disagree with you, your own arguments must be quite weak in rebuttal.

  231. GethN7
    GethN7
    April 3, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    Personally, I feel the Baldurs Gate expansion is poor based on objective flaws such as the bugs, multiplayer and mod breakage, and the fact the creators are unable to take criticsm and instead ask people to spam positive reviews.

    Your rebuttal has nothing to do with the subject at hand here.

  232. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 3, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    Reading the comment section, PegasusOrgans’ attempts to refute people is just terrible.

    He brought up the following; Fox News, Trump, the Iraq War, the native american genocide, segregation when it has nothing to do with anything anyone said. Then wen’t about calling everyone “caveboys”, accusing “caveboys” of piracy and owning sex dolls, insisting that everyone in the comments believes that gays don’t deserve rights and cracked a lame masturbation joke.

    So basically nothing that has to do anything with the article, a strawman and a few baseless insults to boot.

    Stay butthurt, Beamdog.

  233. Etherblaze
    Etherblaze
    April 3, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    Take a gander at the dialogue options in the video, where they’re talking to Mizhena

    >”The lord of battles?”
    >[“Mizhena? That’s an unusual name”]
    >”Praise him! Praise him!”
    >”I’m off to go find a battle”

    Then:

    >[“What was wrong with your old name?”]
    >”How did you invent that name for yourself?”
    >”That’s interesting, let’s talk about something else”
    >”I have to be going, now.”

    Then:

    >”Thank you for sharing your story with me. I have another question”
    >”An interesting past, but I must ask you something else”
    >”I have to be going now”

  234. Random Dude
    Random Dude
    April 3, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    …I’m pretty sure that one’s a shitpost (shit review?). I call Poes on you.

  235. Andy
    Andy
    April 4, 2016 at 12:07 am

    As a long time fan of the Baldur’s Gate series, I will not be be buying this SJW shit.

  236. Nerobyrne
    Nerobyrne
    April 4, 2016 at 12:08 am

    These idiots don’t know how to do this properly.
    There are many ways to rewrite things and not have it show that you’re just a stupid ideologue.
    Not only did they fuck up, they weren’t even trying.

  237. Random Dude
    Random Dude
    April 4, 2016 at 12:08 am

    Admittedly, it makes some sense in which a race that wants you dead would use everything to make your life miserable, including petty insults. (although they could’ve done it with more…lore friendly slurs rather than overused modern lingo)

  238. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    April 4, 2016 at 12:19 am

    Goddamn, I knew this shit was going to get out of control sooner or later. The SJWs have been doubling down on their own bullshit within the past week its not even funny.

  239. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 4, 2016 at 12:22 am

    They are not even trying to hide it anymore,makes it easier for us to spot them.

  240. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    April 4, 2016 at 12:37 am

    Omg, that video. So fucking bad…. SJWs are the worst.

    Also, Sterling chimes in being a complete hypocrite: http://imgur.com/mOf8UVj

    Guess he thinks we forgot that he and that journo bullied that a dev because they didn’t like the name.

  241. Gamer
    Gamer
    April 4, 2016 at 12:43 am

    Ruining a classic game? That’s disgusting. Go make your own things and quit ruining our games.

  242. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    April 4, 2016 at 12:55 am

    That’s part of it, but it seems like ever since Rapp got fired, they seem more desperate as well.

  243. Brad Donald
    Brad Donald
    April 4, 2016 at 12:55 am

    My take away seems to be that AMBER SCOTT is the problem. Or at least a symptom of it at beamdog. The company is full of assholes it seems.

  244. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 4, 2016 at 12:58 am

    Great,that makes them prone to errors.

  245. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 4, 2016 at 1:06 am

    Going to get worse now that Gaider is there.

    If these folks get the BG license and make that BG3 they claim this game’s sales are the deciding factor for, then I’m going to be staying as far away from it as possible.

  246. Narmy
    Narmy
    April 4, 2016 at 1:12 am

    Yeah I’ve been playing that as well, and it a great example of a game with a gay couple done right. They never mention they are gay or make a big deal out of it, they just love each other just the same way a straight couple would be portrayed.

  247. Landale
    Landale
    April 4, 2016 at 1:43 am

    And my brain just went and tried to process how bad a BG3 from these people would be. They’re restricted at least somewhat in what they’ve done so far, but going forward any such butchery is “character development”. I weep at the thought of it.

  248. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    April 4, 2016 at 2:05 am

    Maybe if they actual wrote the characters with some competent writing skills and actually you know, get to know and developer the character instead of saying “HI I’M TRANS, YES I AM TRANS, BY THE WAY DID I TELL YOU I’M TRANS, WELL I’M STILL TRANS!!!” Then I think it would be just fine and dandy. Instead, this game seems to have degraded into Tumblr’s Gate: Social Justice Spear. Fuck it, might as well have a class in the game called Social Justice Warrior!!!

  249. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    April 4, 2016 at 2:08 am

    How much is Beamdog paying you, mate?

  250. rergerger
    rergerger
    April 4, 2016 at 2:11 am

    Just do what I do guys, replay games from the small period between the violence and muh soggy knees eras; with any luck studios will get a clue that they’re losing a massive amount of money and start firing these hacks.

  251. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    April 4, 2016 at 2:13 am

    No, it’s about not wanting hamfisted political writing shoved into games so idiots like you can virtue signal on how totes progressive you are.

  252. rergerger
    rergerger
    April 4, 2016 at 2:14 am

    WTF? I don’t even know what to address first, the horrible historical inaccuracies you indulge in when talking about your fabricated misogyny as a parallel to racism, the gross strawmans and ad hominems you so casually toss at people to avoid actually having to address their arguments or the irony of who’s really advocating for segregation nowadays.

  253. rergerger
    rergerger
    April 4, 2016 at 2:19 am

    There’s nothing wrong with inserting your ideas into what you do, but that’s the thing here, WHAT YOU DO, like in what you personally create.
    These people didn’t create this franchise or even this one game, they’re just co-opting it to push their personal politics, and that’s where the problem arises.
    If they want media that beats people over the head with this shit they should make their own and stop using the work of others to virtue signal and promote their world view.

  254. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    April 4, 2016 at 2:25 am

    So, help me out here, guys. I was planning to play Baldur’s Gate, but if I want to avoid this disgusting content, what expansions/mods should I buy?

  255. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 4, 2016 at 2:33 am

    Avoid enhanced edition if you can. Play through the first game vanilla, unless it’s a resolution mod.

  256. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 2:35 am

    What arguments?

  257. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 2:40 am

    In order to make lore friendly insults you need to know the lore first.

  258. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 2:44 am

    Sterling should know better.Somehow I think he knows better.

  259. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 2:46 am

    Don’t write reviews if you didn’t played please.It’s an awful move.

  260. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 2:47 am

    Remember Dragon Age 3?Cool.Now imagine something worse.

  261. RKade8583
    RKade8583
    April 4, 2016 at 2:48 am

    I was going to buy this. Thank god I found this article.

  262. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 2:49 am

    They just try to ban those.Shakespeare and Nietzsche come to mind.

  263. Smug
    Smug
    April 4, 2016 at 2:50 am

    The actual truth is that a lot of shit used to be better (especially in terms of relationships) before we allowed suffrage to women (who mostly rely on feelings) and accepted feminism as a whole

  264. Landale
    Landale
    April 4, 2016 at 3:05 am

    Fortunately I can’t remember what I’ve never experienced. Dragon Age 2, on the other hand, I was less fortunate about.

  265. Llama Adventure
    Llama Adventure
    April 4, 2016 at 3:14 am

    That Minsc line made me die a little inside.

  266. Llama Adventure
    Llama Adventure
    April 4, 2016 at 3:20 am

    Also protip: EVERYONE was a 2-dimensional flat character in the first game. Compare Jahiera in the first game to Jahiera in the second where she got her own dedicated character arc which served to massively flesh out her personality. Complaining that women weren’t properly represented in the first game where everyone was designed to be 2-dimensional and expendable and Black Isle hadn’t yet realized that people would get attached to certain characters like they did is just idiotic.

  267. Softclocks
    Softclocks
    April 4, 2016 at 3:23 am

    Where would we be without special snowflakes in our videogames….

  268. GethN7
    GethN7
    April 4, 2016 at 3:24 am

    I was referring to PegasusOrgans weak rebuttals that basically rely on insulting everyone.

  269. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 3:30 am

    Yes.And my question still stands.What arguments?Because insults don’t count as arguments.

  270. GethN7
    GethN7
    April 4, 2016 at 3:32 am

    PegasusOrgans arguments were that everyone who hated the Baldurs Gate expansion was closeminded and hateful, and chose to not prove their point with reasoned evidence, but with insults towards all who believed they were wrong.

  271. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 3:33 am

    I have mixed feelings about that one.It’s half-bad half-good.While ORigins was mostly good but nowhere near as good as Jade Empire imo.

  272. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    April 4, 2016 at 3:40 am

    How on earth do you get wife beating and segregation from not wanting to see a venerated piece of entertainment media be ruined by ideologues? If you want to see genuine misogyny and support for segregation, just look at the people who espouse these gender politics.

  273. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 3:49 am

    Yes but insults are usually used as conversation stoppers.When you resort to insults your arguments become invalid because you’re forcing your opponent to respond in kind.And your arguments cease to exist at that point.

  274. GethN7
    GethN7
    April 4, 2016 at 3:51 am

    Very true.

  275. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    April 4, 2016 at 4:42 am

    Those question marks, stop it.

  276. Mathias Kristiansen
    Mathias Kristiansen
    April 4, 2016 at 5:03 am

    What a fucking hero. What video was this comment posted under?

  277. Red Knight
    Red Knight
    April 4, 2016 at 5:04 am

    Oh for fuck’s sake! Baldur’s Gate is my favorite game of all time, and I was soooo looking forward to this! I was willing to buy 10 copies just to support this game, but now I am having second thoughts! If they didnt mess with the original content and if they didnt change original characters, I couldnt care less about there being a new gay and bisexual character. I would even bite through their low jab at GamerGate, but they messed with the original content and that is a BIG NO!…. Oh fuck! FUCK! FUUUUUUUUUUCK!

  278. Erthwjim
    Erthwjim
    April 4, 2016 at 5:08 am

    They didn’t market, the games sites did it for them for free so they could get their sjw points

  279. Erthwjim
    Erthwjim
    April 4, 2016 at 5:12 am

    You do know studies have shown people that pirate actually spend more than those that don’t in the long run? Perhaps you should read torrentfreak a little more.

    But then truth be told, the game didn’t even do well on pirate sites, it sucked that bad.

  280. Erthwjim
    Erthwjim
    April 4, 2016 at 5:15 am

    Ok at least gays have a reason to have something up their ass, what’s your excuse for having your head so far up yours?

  281. Alistair
    Alistair
    April 4, 2016 at 5:16 am

    Well Scott welcome to the SJWs club your codebook will be delivered by President Anita herself.

    You just earn yourself the idiot of the week award from me you not happy from last game regarding women please explain this when you say women you don’t mean real women do you No you mean fictional characters. I can’t say I boycott this game because i didn’t like the look of the 1st game so I didn’t buy it.

    Still you earn yourself your codebook & award for being dumb.

  282. Erthwjim
    Erthwjim
    April 4, 2016 at 5:20 am

    Stop drinking the kool aid.

  283. Brad Donald
    Brad Donald
    April 4, 2016 at 5:21 am

    I know some people that held out HOPE that hiring Gaider was not a bad sign. Turns out they were wrong. It was a sign that BeamDog was shit.

  284. Erthwjim
    Erthwjim
    April 4, 2016 at 5:22 am

    Project much?

  285. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 4, 2016 at 5:23 am

    Well, this content is restricted to the new expansion Siege of DragonSpear. The other games and expansions do not have anything like this and are much beloved, particularly Baldur’s Gate II.

    The mods are hard to figure, because there’s a heap of free mods of varying content by varying artists, though I’m not certain about compatibility with the Enhanced Editions.

    That said, the new Baldur’s Gate Enhanced Editions include the original Expansions unchanged, but are admittedly published by this same developer, which may or may not be a concern for you.

  286. EclipseOperator
    EclipseOperator
    April 4, 2016 at 5:24 am

    *sees video*
    Well ok the character isn’t deeply written but I don’t ge-

    *player just mercilessly kills the character*

    …dude come on now that’s just being a salty jerk.

  287. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 4, 2016 at 5:34 am

    This was back in 2014 around September or October. I forget the video.

  288. Random Dude
    Random Dude
    April 4, 2016 at 5:47 am

    Yup. That is also something this writer apparently couldn’t even do.

  289. Random Dude
    Random Dude
    April 4, 2016 at 5:48 am

    Where’s the badass on wheelchair when you need one to wake up?

  290. fengas
    fengas
    April 4, 2016 at 6:06 am

    Why? it’s an RPG, he’s free to play tranny hater

  291. ReLiC71
    ReLiC71
    April 4, 2016 at 6:40 am

    Even gays who dislike the hamfistedness get it up the arse (‘as a gay man’, pun most definitely intended). We’re internalised homophobes or transmisogynists.

    I don’t care that she’s ‘trans’, although I’d argue that she’s not, due to the multiple ways of becoming a ‘real’ woman, working womb, menstruation, the whole shebang, instantaneously in the setting. I care that she’s a shallow token at best, and an offensive stereotype at worse.

    Blurting out an intimate secret about your painful history to a complete stranger who comments on your name? I hate to use the clichéd ‘I don’t mind X, as long as they don’t shove it down my throat’ but this instance is so cack-handed that it fits, in my opinion. I’ve met people who lead with their trans status/sexual orientation, and they’re generally either young people who’ve recently come out/transitioned, so the novelty hasn’t worn off, or identity politickers. This character seems to be neither of those, and I’m left wondering why she talks about it at all. Nobody will ever know unless she tells them, so isn’t she risking further alienation by telling randoms?

    Not to mention that even a definitely Evil and/or Chaotic character can’t say anything negative in response to her story but they can still kill her which I see as a massive ludo-narrative disconnect.

  292. EclipseOperator
    EclipseOperator
    April 4, 2016 at 6:42 am

    Yes and?

  293. EclipseOperator
    EclipseOperator
    April 4, 2016 at 6:44 am

    Yes and?
    I’m not saying he shouldn’t be allowed to nor should he not be able to.

  294. EclipseOperator
    EclipseOperator
    April 4, 2016 at 6:51 am

    Of course, he’s allowed to. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be allowed to play as one.
    I just see it being a dick move, just like anyone would towards any “evil” action in any game.

  295. Arbitrary
    Arbitrary
    April 4, 2016 at 7:36 am

    The game is rated as “Mostly Positive”, so I’d still say the average consumer is distressingly okay with it.

  296. Uncle Slick
    Uncle Slick
    April 4, 2016 at 7:36 am

    I really don’t believe what I’m reading.

    What is wrong with the world?

  297. 萌えゲー
    萌えゲー
    April 4, 2016 at 7:36 am

    So basically this entire insertion was meaningless.

  298. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 4, 2016 at 7:38 am

    Yes because the concept of a “tranny” in D&D is pointless. With dozens of ways to change your sex magically, why even add a transexual? Just make it a woman.

  299. Meittimies
    Meittimies
    April 4, 2016 at 7:49 am

    Preachy propaganda does not make a good story, simple as that. And if the bad writing was the only problem this game wouldve had, it probably wouldnt have been such a big issue in the first place. Right now they are selling a product that is worse than the fanmade patches and mods in every possible aspect (except graphics I guess).

  300. catazxy
    catazxy
    April 4, 2016 at 8:19 am

    GJ, fucking with the original game and the old fans for some stupid gender politics, for who is this game now?

  301. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 8:47 am

    The motherfuckers should burn in hell. They’re pathetic. Leeching like the talentless parasites of the gaming industry they are while pushing their shitty agendas. How can you justify that bullshit?

    *That was not the kind of story we want to make*

    But that’s the point GENIUS, it wasn’t created by you, you’re just editing/mutilating someone elses work to be politically correct/appealing.

  302. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 8:56 am

    Even though POE is just a battlefest with shitload of bugs/performance issues. But yeah, it’s a new game.

  303. Celerity
    Celerity
    April 4, 2016 at 8:57 am

    That’s not even adding anything. Drow are already the psychotic, self destructive sort of feminist without any sort of rewrite. They also only haven’t self destructed as a society by divine intervention. Literally Lolth’s the only reason their hatred of all living things of all genders hasn’t extincted them. Food for thought.

  304. Rabbi Bergblattsteinowitz
    Rabbi Bergblattsteinowitz
    April 4, 2016 at 8:59 am

    If anything, Fox News is pushing people to vote Cruz.

  305. Pheria
    Pheria
    April 4, 2016 at 9:23 am

    To quote those that complain about ‘unrealistic armor’
    “THAT’S NOT REALISTIC FOR THE SETTING, YER BREAKIN’ MAH IMMERSIONS”

  306. Carl619
    Carl619
    April 4, 2016 at 9:25 am

    Most people buy it because of Baldur’s Gate, positive reviews have a lower rate that the negatives ones. So I doubt that if it is a original IP they would have a lower rate. In GOG it only has 2 stars.

  307. Callan Elliott
    Callan Elliott
    April 4, 2016 at 9:26 am

    Nice strawman ya got there…

  308. Pheria
    Pheria
    April 4, 2016 at 9:55 am

    I think he kind of just looks carelessly slapped together, tbh.

  309. Galbador
    Galbador
    April 4, 2016 at 9:57 am

    No, Beamdog. You just want to be pc because you guys (and grls) are so afraid of backlashes and those damn SJWs. This has nothing to do with Baldur’s Gate, but pushing an agenda onto people.

  310. Callan Elliott
    Callan Elliott
    April 4, 2016 at 9:59 am

    I’ve had to lower my standards considerably to deal with shit like this.

  311. Bobby
    Bobby
    April 4, 2016 at 10:00 am

    How does someone as radical as Amber Scott get to be the one to do the writing for freakin’ Baldur’s Gate????

  312. discussser
    discussser
    April 4, 2016 at 10:02 am

    >her

  313. Arbitrary
    Arbitrary
    April 4, 2016 at 10:05 am

    Really? That was the SJW-crap people were so up in arms about? It’s just a lame joke.

    Fucking Autists.

  314. Piragon ☯
    Piragon ☯
    April 4, 2016 at 10:06 am

    “Native Americans”

    America didn’t exist before european colonization. It was just lawless barbarian tribes warring between each other. They had no goverment system in place to be recognized.

  315. Xekus
    Xekus
    April 4, 2016 at 10:13 am

    Atleast it makes me happy to see these garbage developers getting completely trashed on every forum, including steam.
    They are even being called out by actual trans.

  316. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 4, 2016 at 10:20 am

    Yeah, it is. I get that he doesn’t like it, but it just seems pointlessly mean.

  317. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 4, 2016 at 10:25 am

    Maybe. Or maybe this is just some unusually poor nonsense in a mediocre game.

    As far as “the worst this game has” it’s not as bad as, for example, repeated unavoidable glitching, like some AAA publishers I could name, but it’s not impressive at all, and quickly stomping on that one hot button that everyone is really dealing too much of AND messing with a lot of people’s beloved RPG childhood memories.

  318. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    April 4, 2016 at 10:26 am

    *its

  319. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 4, 2016 at 10:31 am

    Yeah, it’s a lame joke. Just like how some people would be super offended if Minsc said, “Women, get in the back, it is time for Minsc to smite evil!”

    The difference is, *that one* is in character.

  320. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    April 4, 2016 at 10:31 am

    Actually i think I saw it on Steam as “mixed” now.

  321. EroBotan
    EroBotan
    April 4, 2016 at 10:37 am

    since you’re going to go oot let me tell you one thing, arabs also plays a huge part in colonialism, they attack africa, israel, india, pagan/jews/christian middle eastern countries.

  322. epy
    epy
    April 4, 2016 at 10:50 am

    He’s a disingenuous hack. When it matches his political views, it is creative vision. When it’s offensive to him (or his clique, I doubt this dude gets offended) it is problematic and must be removed.

  323. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    April 4, 2016 at 10:51 am

    ..

  324. Drazala Tsepesh
    Drazala Tsepesh
    April 4, 2016 at 10:59 am

    I was glad to see a new Baldur’s Gate expansion pack up for sale until I read this article. I guess I will avoid buying this.

  325. Kev Lew
    Kev Lew
    April 4, 2016 at 11:27 am

    For the love of the gods, is no IP safe from this never ending parade of social politics/warfare?

  326. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    April 4, 2016 at 11:31 am

    “Consumers should respect the developer’s creative vision. Unless, of course, I don’t like it. Then they should bitch and moan until they get what they want, forcing the developer to change their creative vision.”

    These fucking people.

  327. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    April 4, 2016 at 11:31 am

    >Amber Scott
    WHY IS IT ALWAYS 9/10 SOME SJW WOMAN
    There’s actual women in the industry who work, but the vast majority of the SJW fools are female (or female “identifying”)

    Is it just that women are dumber?
    Or is it that women are afforded better grants for colleges and universities where they are then encouraged to take “women’s lib” classes and other Marxist-based studies which then leads to their ideological erosion and turning out like lunatic Marxist “protestors” in literally every facet of their meager life, hence the injection of Marxist Feminist ideology into everything they touch because they no longer have any other aspect which defines their identity in truth resulting in women today being born on a conveyor belt into a factory B-lining them to an end of spiritual death, mental decay and societal detriment?

  328. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    April 4, 2016 at 11:33 am

    They’re crazy enough to try and assassinate Trump in broad daylight amidst a crowd.
    What do you think?

  329. SpecialK
    SpecialK
    April 4, 2016 at 11:39 am

    I’ll just leave this here.

  330. discussser
    discussser
    April 4, 2016 at 11:45 am

    SJWs own the industry now. At least in the west.

    Burn it down.

  331. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    Maybe the genius missed out on all the shitty bugs and broken shit with the game before releasing it. Not even the fucking new difficulty level works correctly. Do you even test your mods motherfuckers?

  332. alterku
    alterku
    April 4, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    Beamdog is cancer.

  333. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    There is a pattern with radical women saying particularly stupid stuff and avoiding any kind of logical thinking. And i’m not being sexist. It’s a statistical fact.

  334. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    General Blue was hilarious

  335. fengas
    fengas
    April 4, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    and what? I made my point rather clear

  336. Mathias Kristiansen
    Mathias Kristiansen
    April 4, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    Damn.

  337. alterku
    alterku
    April 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm

    I suddenly want to end all of my sentences with the phrase “Stay butthurt Beamdog.”

  338. guru8bit
    guru8bit
    April 4, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    mfw

  339. Shinobu
    Shinobu
    April 4, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    I’m guilty of that myself. Bought it on Steam when it was $2.50 thinking it was gonna be like an Amnesia set in the ’90s. ?

  340. EclipseOperator
    EclipseOperator
    April 4, 2016 at 2:33 pm

    Yes, and I never said anything regarding him not being allowed to play as one. I’m just voicing my distaste for his action (which given the context of the whole thing just tastes bad).

  341. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    April 4, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    So I’ve noticed. That’s the thing though, by their own failed logic this game has no reason to exist. The only people they’re making this for already drank the cool-aid, and the ones they’re saying too bad to are the ones they’d want to use it to inform.

    So I guess at this point they’re just resorting to fueling their own confirmation bias. Way to make themselves look even more like a bunch of sociopaths.

  342. Feniks
    Feniks
    April 4, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    FUCK FUCK FUCK

    Well the only thing I can do is make sure the original is availabe for piracy. I’ll seed it until the SJWs come and get me.

  343. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 4, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    No, in this case, the creative vision that people want respected is that of Black Isle, of Wizards of the Coast, of the Dungeons and Dragon’s lorekeepers, etc.

    People aren’t willing to respect a creative vision which is just nonsense. Not even Jim Sterling does – he makes a decent bit of change mocking and insulting shitty games on Steam. No one expects Beamdog to change anything. Yet the consumers (and critics) reserve the right to mock stupidity wherever it may be found.

    But no developer exists in isolation – they react to people who comment on their work. The question is, which audience do you want to market to, and what makes sense for your game. If you do it right, you can be progressive and people are okay with that, because they like logical, well-written characters. If you do it wrong, you get this.

  344. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    April 4, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    So they aren’t even putting any effort into it then, they’re just putting random social political comments in.

    I can’t say I’m surprised they think this is good social commentary, this demonstrates why they can’t wrap their heads around the likes of The Witcher 3’s lack of human minorities. If it isn’t a glorified meme its lost to them.

  345. Feniks
    Feniks
    April 4, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    Hahaha. I’ve spent thousands of euros on videogames.

    Coincidentally Baldur’s Gate: Tales of the Swordcoast was the first game I bought with my own money back in 99.

  346. Feniks
    Feniks
    April 4, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    :( Banking on nostalgia.

  347. Sigurd Chalphy
    Sigurd Chalphy
    April 4, 2016 at 3:29 pm

    You do realize that Jacksonian Democrats were the ones that went after the Native Americans right? Plus, Islam isn’t exactly full of innocence either. Finally, lest us forget that that minorities who don’t buy the narrative are branded as “race traitors”.

  348. DrJedi001
    DrJedi001
    April 4, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    These SJWs are humorless prudes, straight out of Massachusetts Bay.

  349. DrJedi001
    DrJedi001
    April 4, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    Hang yourself before you discover what an embarassment to humanity you are.

  350. Lawrence
    Lawrence
    April 4, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    I love especially how he assumes everyone on this site (a site owned by an Italian dude no less) is American. Or white. Or right wing. XD

  351. Softclocks
    Softclocks
    April 4, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    I can assure you that Amber Scott is no 9/10 woman.

    She’s definitely a 1/10.

  352. randomdude
    randomdude
    April 4, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    At least with the decline of marriages as a result, less children are born, and in some counties so far that their population is declining. At least by the time the majority realizes what’s going on, the human population will be down enough that we don’t risk mass starvation.

  353. Cheapsteaks
    Cheapsteaks
    April 4, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    Would it be better if it was loaded with libertarian shilling and had Vivian Games in it?

  354. randomdude
    randomdude
    April 4, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    Learn to laugh. Even if it’s offensive to you, laugh. Always be able to laugh at yourself at the end of the day.

  355. randomdude
    randomdude
    April 4, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    That’d get more annoying than having “nya” at the end of everything, just use it a footed for any posts.

  356. guru8bit
    guru8bit
    April 4, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    No, of course not.

  357. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    April 4, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    Yeah.Among other things.It’s easier to dismiss ideas when your opposition is evil(In your view).

  358. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 4, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    No. It needs to be in line with the other games. No pandering to anyone, no modern politics.

  359. Benjamin Peters
    Benjamin Peters
    April 4, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    “In the original there’s a lot of jokes at women’s expense. Or if not a lot, there’s a couple…”

    What the hell does that even mean? Is there a lot, or isn’t there?!? It’s like she’s saying, “Well, there may be a ton of bad stuff in it, or not. Maybe. I don’t actually know.”

    But regardless, they’re going to change all of it because they have completely different priorities than good story telling.

  360. Benjamin Peters
    Benjamin Peters
    April 4, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    Imagine, if just for a second, it just stayed on track with staying consistent. Imagine where games could be made without having to overtly pander to anyone. Wouldn’t that be nice?

  361. Benjamin Peters
    Benjamin Peters
    April 4, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    What? I can think of at least six tribes that had pretty detailed laws. The Founding Fathers actually took a lot of the laws from the Six Nations tribes.

    But that being said, let’s not let that distract from how much of a got damn idiot PegasusOrgans is.

  362. Landale
    Landale
    April 4, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    That it’s not even adding anything is my point. There were already places and things they could’ve used to worked on the themes they threw in, there were characters better suited to at least being subtle about the jab. They’ve disregarded it all to be as big of assholes as they can manage.

  363. atlow
    atlow
    April 4, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    You guys make a point that they’re injecting their ideology into an already established series, and that WOULD be a fine argument if it wasn’t a Bioware game they were injecting their ideology into.

    Bioware would do this themselves regardless.

  364. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 4, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    The fuck are you doing. Who trusted you with one of the most sacred RPG IPs of all time?

    The top screenshot though is anything but social justice. It’s an extremely common joke. The rest is quite troubling.

  365. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 4, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    Yeah, this is IP pandering as its most base form. Porting the game I was fine with. Despicably trading on name recognition to push an entirely different product that you made is deceptive and pathetic.

    It’s another Sacred 3 situation, but far worse, because Baldur’s Gate is one of the most important RPG properties in gaming history.

  366. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    April 4, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    Seriously. In a world where fucking MAGIC exists, you can write your way in and out of almost anything.

    It shows these people have no imagination whatsoever.

    You want a transgender character to explore? Here’s something I came up with in 2 minutes: Have some character get cursed where it switched their gender and give you a sidequest to lift it. Then you can have lots of dialogue trees with them exploring how they’ve been dealing with the problem. Quest has multiple steps to collect ingredients or whatever for the uncursing ritual thing and you can hear more and more about their life after each one. Maybe they even end up liking it and don’t want it fixed. Maybe your character gets to decide what to do at the end. That’s in universe writing that isn’t shoved down your throat. All player attitudes and ideologies get respected and none is presented as “right” to the player.

    Put some fucking EFFORT into it.

  367. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    Worst of all they are trying to avoid the clear issues by telling everyone that the only things wrong with this mess are the gamergate joke and inclussion of a transgendered character when there’s the huge shitfest of bugs and broken mess along with their stupid statements/censoring, Amber Scotts posture, bastardization of the series characters, Beamdogs being disrespectful at fans by calling them entitled, banning users for exposing them like the sad fucks they are, locking threads while ignoring clear game issues. They are some huge pathetic scumbags trying to do damage control in the worst possible of ways. And they are trying to make us look like the bad guys of the story by associating everyone who disagrees with them or exposes the clear issues to gamergate SJW/Feminazi hating agenda groups. They haven’t even released hotfixes for the worst bugs yet like the legacy of bhaal difficulty reset and crashes.

  368. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 4, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    Yes, this.

    It’s more than just “one” joke. It’s more than just one transexual character. Its more than a racist goblin. Its more than just Minsc making a GG meme. It’s more than Corwin’s daughter calling you out for mansplaining. It’s more than Argent being a Mary Sue. It’s more than Safana’s entire personality being changed. It’s more than gay NPCs randomly coming onto you with the ferocity of a coked-up Anders.

    It’s more than that, and they know it. The game drips in the SocJus material, and anyone who has actually played it as I have is aware of it. They are fooling no one.

  369. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 4, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    True, in 2016.

    but Bioware in 1998? I’m not sure about that.

  370. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    I couldn’t believe my eyes when Dee came to steam forums and started using the Gamergate boogeyman to justify all the bad decissions they made and also banning users for exposing their links with SJW agenda groups.

    Neither when they send a tweet to Jezebel. What more proof do you need?

  371. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 4, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    1998 Bioware wasn’t filled with cancer.

  372. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    April 4, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    It’s pretty obvious Amber hasn’t played BG1 and 2 extensively, or at all.

  373. GrimFate
    GrimFate
    April 4, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    Wow. That is pretty astute.

    I’ve been getting irritated recently that every male character on TV is either a buffoon or seriously flawed (and truly masculine men who aren’t assholes are near extinct), while every female character seems near perfect. Makes me paranoid there’s an agenda to empower women and depower men; the former being fine, but the latter being unacceptable.

    For example, I’ve been watching Brooklyn-Nine-Nine recently. Of the 4 white men in the show, one is bumbling and slightly stupid, one is a serious beta male, and the other 2 are almost completely useless. Of the 2 black men, both are near perfect, with one being a masculine man with a feminine side, and the other being an emotionless gay man. Of the 3 women on the show, one is a sarcastic troublemaker, one is neurotic, and one is violent and largely lacks emotion. So none of the women have flaws that could make them seem “incompetent”, like all the white men. (I guess this is more about oppression politics, where white men get treated the worse because they are supposed less oppressed.)

    Your image gives me a little relief, as it points out the treatment of men does allow for more varied characters and experiences that can be beneficial. I just wish they would use the male buffoon character less often, and perhaps have a few more buffoon female characters to show that no gender is perfect.

  374. GrimFate
    GrimFate
    April 4, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    Guess I’ll keep my money.

  375. atlow
    atlow
    April 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    Sure, but it’s Bioware 2016 that gave them the rights. Let’s all stop acting so surprised – Bioware would have likely have done something similar themselves. In fact, I would presume Bioware chose this company knowing full well they would “adjust problematic content”.

  376. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    I mean for fucks sake, how can you disrespect everything and everyone ( fans included ) related with the original game by calling it *problematic* and not expect some sort of backlash??? These beamdog clowns…..

  377. GrimFate
    GrimFate
    April 4, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    Usually if there’s a big uproar, the company will try to make things right, try to save face and hopefully do something to appease those who have decided not to purchase the game because of it. For example, the ending of Mass Effect 3. Also, whenever an SJW complains about something, the company seems quick to address the issue, such as the butt thing with Blizzard’s latest game. So it’s interesting to see that when there is an uproar AGAINST the SJW side, the company digs their heels in, asking people to post positive reviews for the game instead of, you know, addressing the concerns of their actual and potential customers…

    Guess I’ll keep my money.

  378. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    Gamers are (unless approved by the in-crowd), in SJW land, automatically:

    Racists (regardless of their race)
    Sexists (regardless of their gender)’
    Homophobic (regardless of their orientation)
    Harrassers (regardless of their behaviors)

    We are routinely told by SJWs we are:

    Worse than Hitler
    Terrorists
    Right Wingers
    Worse than ISIS
    Rapsits
    Worse than Rapists
    Losers
    Fat, white neck-beards with little ♥♥♥♥♥ who live in their mother’s basements.
    Misogynists

    The Company foolishly waded into politics. Even worse, as a gaming company, they chose a particular group of people that spend a lot of time insulting and demonizing gamers.

  379. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    April 4, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    HAha Nicely done

  380. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    But, but… muh DOA XTREME 3!!!!

  381. GrimFate
    GrimFate
    April 4, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    You would think businesses would stay objective and neutral as to appeal to the greatest number of people and make the most money.

  382. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    It’s puzzling. But i guess that’s what happens when you don’t have any decent talent or are just trying to shove your self-righteous ideology agenda by parasitizing other peoples original works.

  383. Celerity
    Celerity
    April 4, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    What do you expect from non gamers? Likewise with the writing of token characters. If you want a transvestite character in your game, you know what you do? You speak with actual transvestites and make sure the character is realistically portrayed and not just there as a token character. Same for including people of other nationalities, modeling military combat, or anything else in which authenticity is valued.

  384. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    April 4, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    The same tactic was employed by the Sunset devs, but it didn’t work out too well for them. We’ll have to wait and see where it goes.

  385. GrimFate
    GrimFate
    April 4, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    That’s what bugs me the most about it; the fact they decided to do this with an existing IP. But I guess you’re right; they don’t have talent. I mean, if they did, they could actually create their own new IPs for their target audience.

  386. Oldtime Gamer
    Oldtime Gamer
    April 4, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    When I heard that this was coming out I was genuinely psyched. I loved all the old infinity engine games ever since I first played to them at my cousin’s house. It was also my first PC game when I finally got a computer near the end of ‘99. I’ve probably beaten Icewind Dale more, but I’ve always enjoyed the characters and banter of Baldur’s Gate the most. Perhaps the only game better at storytelling was Torment, but it lacked the faster pace of the other infinity engine games and thus I didn’t get into it as much as a kid.

    To see this done is shameful and honestly I can’t even begin to describe my soul crushing disappointment. Actually I still think I’m trying to come to grips with the reality of the situation. I can live with them preaching at me with characters they created. I can live with the memes to an extent because the little pop culture references to Newhart and Wolverine existed in the original.

    What is horrifying though is that they would take characters and rewrite them for their own purposes and then have the audacity to tell me I’m the problem for liking them as they were; as I fondly remember them. I remember playing Baldur’s Gate 2 all night the day my father died. It was the only thing that could let me escape the reality of the situation for a little while. Now I have someone telling me that these characters need to be changed, and if I don’t like it then too bad. I hope that soapbox disintegrates beneath the weight of your own self-righteousness.

    What may be truly chilling is they were always toying with the idea of giving Planescape: Torment the EE treatment. I believe they have the right to do so. Maybe I’ll just go play some Temple of Elemental Evil and hope it escapes their notice. Even if you go under, Beamdog, and come back as some other company, I’m done.

    Not another dime of my money shall you ever see.

  387. ash
    ash
    April 4, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    Typical troll. Go push your partisan politics someplace else. I doubt anyone here watches Fox News. Moron.

  388. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    Just so you know, CEOS/Management don’t usually give a fuck about the rest of the company when it comes to key business decisions, so in truth they don’t actually represent the whole company member ldeals/POV/Opinions/Postures all the time. That’s why they also rush deadlines and get bad unfinished/unpolished game releases or outsource/hire the worse possible dev teams they can to handle respected ips/porting sometimes. Japanese CEOS are quite famous for doing some crazy shit moves just out of plain stubbornness despite not being the best of business decisions. Devs don’t always bend over just because they want to. Most of the time they just want to get financial/legal/publisher support and they have to agree to whatever contract/bullshit the backers/supporters/agenda groups tell them.

  389. iam16bits
    iam16bits
    April 4, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    What gets me is how she complains about the first game and considering how these SJW’s work, I’m now worried that they’ll go back a rewrite all of the dialogue in the original game to make it more PC. I swear if “Video Game Revisionism” becomes a thing I’m going to be really pissed.

  390. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    The whole Kojima-Konami thing was a clear example of how a lot of Companies work. Even Guillermo del Toro said on that one interview that the ones who have the last word on anything are always the bastards with the money ( the ones who finance the projects ), no matter how ignorant, arrogant, inhumane they are or if they have the worst possible judgement ever.

  391. Rat Finker
    Rat Finker
    April 4, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    Someone Fire amberscott

  392. bell02
    bell02
    April 4, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    someone fire beamdog

  393. bell02
    bell02
    April 4, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    i wasn’t aware there was so much more. Damn those dogs

  394. MrPopo
    MrPopo
    April 4, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    Wow. Fuck these assholes. I was okay with their inclusion of Gay Dorn
    and co. in BGEE but these mofos finally showed their true colors. They
    just want to paint over content they consider as problematic and shit on
    the old games so the can push their agendas to peoples faces.

    I never welcomed Jehova’s Witnesses at my door and these fucks will
    receive the same treatment too. And with a boot to the butt to quicken
    their steps.

  395. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 4, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    Yes, as you say they finally revealed themselves

  396. fengas
    fengas
    April 5, 2016 at 2:01 am

    I fail to see anything bad about it, he killed a character in RPG, whether it was for roleplaying his character purpose, or it was him “cleaning” up the game or making a statement, it’s just an NPC

  397. EclipseOperator
    EclipseOperator
    April 5, 2016 at 2:24 am

    Whether it’s bad or not is entirely up to your own viewpoint.

    If this was any other occasion, I wouldn’t care. But considering the events leading up to it, I personally find it distasteful.

  398. Pella Douglas
    Pella Douglas
    April 5, 2016 at 3:56 am

    I haven’t played Dragonspear yet, but as a transgendered person who has played RPG (both computer and Tabletop) since childhood, I’m happy that there are more LGBT characters appearing in games. THAT SAID: the ‘controversy’ here doesn’t appear to be about the inclusion of a trans-character, more about how it was done.

    I can’t comment on how it was done in game, but I can tell you how real life works. When people meet me for the first time, usually the first questions they have are about my being transgendered. To the point where it can be quite irritating (to put it mildly), and I have an almost scripted response. I wish people would see past my gender and talk to me about other things, such as the fact I’m an aspiring writer, for example. I realise, however, that people are naturally curious. I have learned to indulge that curiosity to a certain degree. Why? Because it breaks down ignorance, and less ignorance usually means less bigotry. Once their initial curiosity is satisfied, they’re able to start looking at me as a person again.

    Point is, if people ask me directly about being transgendered, I’m quite open with them – I wonder if that’s what the writers were trying to achieve and possibly failed somehow.

  399. エリック
    エリック
    April 5, 2016 at 4:39 am

    You can round that out with actual knowledge of the condition and character details fairly easily. Maybe they were dysphoric and repressed it for decades, and this incident has “broken the flood gates” so to speak. Follow up side quest has you finding the stuff for a ritual to make the change permanent, and goes into detail about the individual adjusting to their changed life, along with the people around them. Good enough conversation tree and you could even talk to people who are confused, upset, or even angry and convince them to remove their heads from their fourth point of contact. Possibly with a medium style beating in the latter case because this an RPG after all and we need to smack something with our various weapons and attack spells.

  400. Mr_SP
    Mr_SP
    April 5, 2016 at 5:36 am

    Hm. I suppose you have a point, but at the same time, this character gives their life story not because they’re asked about it, but because they’re asked what was wrong about their old name.

    It may make sense to you to get it out in the open and be done with it, but from a writing perspective, you don’t want to give a characters full backstory too quickly. Either it feels like a plot dump, which disinterests players, or you want to spread it out over numerous encounters, to drive player interaction by making them come back to hear more (maybe with a quest or something). You wouldn’t tell a customer or store clerk your life story, would you?

    Though now that I think about it… a transgender character that tries to get straight past the “I’m transgender” part, and gets irritated if you keep bringing it up for any reason other than agreeing, or wanting to have sex, would be kinda interesting. Though… that doesn’t seem to be the case here. (Notably, there is no negative response in the dialogue tree, whether for the gender, or the mutilation of language. It’d be mean, but that’s what Puritanical characters are for.)

    Also, to nitpick, “LGBT” is not the issue. We’ve had a decent amount of LGB characters for quite a while, to the point where the only thing of note is whether you picked up on it beforehand. And no one is really “against” transgender characters, though I admit I consider it an exotic and confusing idea. But to me, Transsexual makes more sense than Transgender.

  401. Pella Douglas
    Pella Douglas
    April 5, 2016 at 5:47 am

    I agree wholeheartly, and like I said in my post this isn’t really about the inclusion of as trans character, it’s about the way it’s been handled – for some people at least, I can’t say at the moment (I’m waiting for my collector’s edition to arrive before I play it). I just wanted to give a genuine perspective on what the writers might have been aiming for.

  402. Joseph Fanning
    Joseph Fanning
    April 5, 2016 at 10:26 am

    The Christian Bible is The Torah II: Enter Jesus.
    The Quran is The Torah II.5: Nuh-uh, Enter Mohammad.
    The Book of Mormon is The Torah III: Jesus’ World Tour
    Next is Torah IV: Space Jesus! Then Time Traveling Jesus, then the reboot.

  403. Joseph Fanning
    Joseph Fanning
    April 5, 2016 at 10:29 am

    It’s even more pointless for a transgender person. A trans person doesn’t “identify” as trans, they identify as the opposite gender. When a trans female looks for representation in a game, they don’t want a crossdresser. They just look at the normal female characters, since a normal female’s what they want to be.

    Excluding the tumblr rejects, of course. Tucutes don’t count.

  404. Black_Bob
    Black_Bob
    April 5, 2016 at 11:14 am

    Ok,

    1. I didn’t know this. Haven’t been keeping up on the BLM deal because I honestly don’t feel that damn threatened being a black man in America. Hate stereotypes and reverse racism. Learning more about egalitarianism, my own history and the history of this country helps keep things in context. So… this is hilarious.

    2. Why do people keep responding to PegasusOrgans? Obvious troll is obvious. Just ignore it and move on.

  405. Black_Bob
    Black_Bob
    April 5, 2016 at 11:17 am

    :)

  406. Chief Smakaho
    Chief Smakaho
    April 5, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    Sorry, but the demographic that plays old-school rpg’s is not teenage girls who spend their day bitching on twitter and tumblr about feminism and social justice. It’s older men that are logical thinkers…meaning they know how retarded sjw’s are and are repulsed by it.

  407. Chief Smakaho
    Chief Smakaho
    April 5, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    Yup, they just hijack popular, established shit and just f*ck it all up. Then they move on. Feminism is cancer.

  408. Chief Smakaho
    Chief Smakaho
    April 5, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    Wow, venturing out of the mary sue hug box? How many times have you been triggered by reading these comments?

  409. Kainevil Rc
    Kainevil Rc
    April 6, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    I’m a white straight male, am i the source for all that is unholy?

  410. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    April 6, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    I’m sure it also had something to do with the press absolutely felating it and awarding it with GOTYs.

  411. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    April 6, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    You should never go full retard!

  412. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    April 6, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    Likely. Everyone knows what Gone Home is now.

  413. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    April 6, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    Ditto.

  414. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    April 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    You Beamdog dolts have really hit upon a winning strategy:

    >Insult the audience.
    >???
    >Profit!

  415. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    April 6, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    With a comment like that I’m going to have to assume that you are a member of Beamdog’s writing team.

  416. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    April 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    Says the caveman loser who just wants the world to be back to how it was in “the good old days” when blacks had their own washroom

    You shouldn’t refer to blacks as cavemen. It is unkind.

  417. fengas
    fengas
    April 6, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    I find it hilarious :^)

  418. Overwhelmingryan
    Overwhelmingryan
    April 6, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    And of course the usual suspects are trying to frame this as “why do you hate gays and trans people?!?”. It’s exactly the strategy Jim Sterling has gone with. No surprise there. Apparently deciding to be willfully ignorant of the actual criticisms being presented here.

  419. Ken T
    Ken T
    April 6, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    I am, currently trying to get this game refunded on Steam. I played it for more than two hours tho, so I wrote them an e-mail explaining that I find the game to be extremely offensive and that I do not want to support it…..
    Whether or not I get my money back, I don’t want to see people like amber scott be successful, so I am entirely done supporting Beamdog on all platforms.
    I wouldn’t buy a game that was made by the KKK that had npc’s trying to get you to do racist things to earn xp….. I won’t buy this….

  420. Ken T
    Ken T
    April 6, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    Ooooh you precious, speshul, speshul, speshul snowflake, were you triggered by readsing something written by someone smarter than you ?? Oh you poor thing! Go yhou beautiful, speshul snowflake, fly fly away to your safe space…..

    PS: The safe space door now locks from the outside.

  421. Count Calcium
    Count Calcium
    April 6, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    I love it how SJWs are making fun of people getting angry at this when their reaction to Pillars of Eternity and Firedorn Lightbringer was death threats and petitions demanding it to be removed…

  422. Count Calcium
    Count Calcium
    April 6, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    +1 for the rare meme bear profile pic

  423. Count Calcium
    Count Calcium
    April 6, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    Don’t you mean Chairman Mcintosh?

  424. Jon M
    Jon M
    April 7, 2016 at 6:40 am

    Needless to say, this is the sole reason I choose to never purchase this game.

    Fuck SJW’s, fuck this franchise. I’m out.

  425. Anne Rogers
    Anne Rogers
    April 7, 2016 at 10:37 am

    It’s funny that the same fans that liked such a supposedly sexist game are the ones who are going to be paying this hack’s salary.

  426. Anne Rogers
    Anne Rogers
    April 7, 2016 at 11:53 am

    My favorite was the bit about ‘being the evil character you want to be’, apparently as long as being evil means not being racist, sexist, anti-gay, anti-trans, etc. I guess evil characters are only allowed to kill white male characters?

  427. PutiTawo
    PutiTawo
    April 7, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    “Makes me paranoid there’s an agenda to empower women and depower men; the former being fine, but the latter being unacceptable.”
    You’ve just described the core goal of the modern feminist movement for the past few decades.

  428. Bawenang Rukmoko
    Bawenang Rukmoko
    April 7, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Thank God they didn’t make a hentai game. I couldn’t imagine how an SJW hentai game would be like.

  429. John Smith.
    John Smith.
    April 7, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    If this shit storm of SJWness will succeed in one thing, its breaking the big box names and paving the way for indie developers to truly shine.

  430. John Smith.
    John Smith.
    April 7, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    Hmm let’s see, given SJW’s it would be a giant orgy of transgendered black Islamic feminazis doing nothing because hentai games are a stable pillar of the evil white male patriarchy.

  431. randomdude
    randomdude
    April 7, 2016 at 1:55 pm

    would they go back to being a normal character, sort of like a double negative?

  432. BossCat
    BossCat
    April 7, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    I was looking forward to the release. I will not buy it now.

  433. BossCat
    BossCat
    April 7, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    I love the Baldur’s Gate games. Spent months playing them as a kid. I bought Beamdog’s enhanced editions even though I still have the original CDs. In the hope that they may do something with it and produce new content. Who knows, perhaps we’d see BG3 on day? And what have they done with it? Oh, Baldur’s Gate was sexist??? I see. Here we go again with you fucking assholes pushing your feminist cultural marxist SWJ bullshit. Fuck you and your shit writer. Fucking with the game’s legacy and your benefactor’s good faith. I’m beyond sick of it. I have a very sensitive radar to this shit. And yeah, I don’t like it, so in the words of Amber Cunt Scott TOO BAD because I won’t be buying the Siege of Propaganda or anything else you release for that matter. I hope Beamdog goes bankrupt over this. Fuck them.

  434. realraven2000
    realraven2000
    April 8, 2016 at 8:31 am

    “ETHICS in heroic adventuring” F_ck me what’s wrong with poking some fun? Borderlands 2 was full with stuff like that, it’s what made it funny. It’s a game. lighten up.

  435. Bawenang Rukmoko
    Bawenang Rukmoko
    April 8, 2016 at 10:48 am

    What if you put the girdle on a tranny and then cast Edwin’s Nether Scroll?

  436. Evan Pierce
    Evan Pierce
    April 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    And if, for some reason, you can’t bring yourself to laugh at it or about it, move the fuck on in silence and don’t leave a shit in the drinking water :P

  437. GamesGoodMeGood
    GamesGoodMeGood
    April 12, 2016 at 7:11 am

    every female must be a cutout of what a strong, independent woman

    And isn’t it funny that a woman can never have any sex appeal to be strong and independent?

    Completely reeks of bitter, jealous and hateful fat land-whale feminists to me.

  438. Cheapsteaks
    Cheapsteaks
    April 13, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    games shouldn’t pander to anyone, but half the games on this site pander with anime boobs

  439. Cheapsteaks
    Cheapsteaks
    April 13, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    I’m sure that it wouldn’t get an angry article on this site, at least.

  440. Benjamin Peters
    Benjamin Peters
    April 16, 2016 at 12:05 am

    What’s that got to do with anything? Those are in a completely different genres.

  441. Bea
    Bea
    April 17, 2016 at 9:31 am

    With the mention of con artist, movement, and games I’m putting my money on something discussing Anita.

  442. Cheapsteaks
    Cheapsteaks
    April 18, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    Would you be complaining if Baldur’s Gate suddenly added scantily glad anime girls that you have to massage to stir up sales?

  443. Benjamin Peters
    Benjamin Peters
    April 19, 2016 at 2:44 am

    Fuck, don’t give them any ideas. It already looks like a got damn cartoon, I wouldn’t put it past them to start adding that shit.

  444. Barrett Bailey
    Barrett Bailey
    April 22, 2016 at 5:44 am

    shhhhhh calm down snowflake…..go waddle to your cubicle at beamdog, roll into your chair and melt away

  445. Barrett Bailey
    Barrett Bailey
    April 22, 2016 at 5:50 am

    smell that? that rancid animal smell? it’s the smell of hysteria and hormonal imbalances coming from pegasusorgans

  446. Barrett Bailey
    Barrett Bailey
    April 22, 2016 at 5:51 am

    that would require logical thought. sjws are devoid of any of that.

  447. Art Salmons
    Art Salmons
    April 29, 2016 at 1:31 am

    You know you’ve found a SJW by how tolerant and respectful they always are, especially to anyone that disagrees with them.

  448. Galbador
    Galbador
    May 9, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    A blank screen with no text.

  449. disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    May 21, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    this is not an accurate portrayal of brooklyn-nine-nine. peralta is clearly the best detective who solves all of the toughest cases; one of the female characters is a neurotic brown-noser who is terrified of disappointing whoever happens to be her boss at the time. another of the female characters is barely living in the same reality as everyone else, and is such a stone cold narcissist weirdo that she has no idea what is going on around her.

    if you watch brooklyn nine nine and you see some kind of conspiracy about superior black males and hyper-competent females, you have clear issues with your own inadequacy and should probably stop watching so much interracial porn.

  450. disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    May 21, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    This is just garden variety paranoia. It is the same thing that drives “social justice warriors” – no one gives a shit about your shit. Stop wasting your time thinking about this crap.

  451. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    May 21, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    Yeah, that came out after I made this post. At that point I was saying, Welp, nothing more we can do about that, even if he was just virtue signalling. But it worked out for the best, they decided to do a rewrite anyway.

  452. disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    May 21, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    there is no such thing as virtue signaling. you should avoid phrases like that, they are pointless bullshit. it’s one step away from safe spaces.

  453. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    May 21, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    You’re telling me progressive morons don’t say the right things to score points in their clique? Yeah, right. Don’t tell me what language to avoid.

  454. disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    May 21, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    You phrased it /much/ better that time. Go with that next time. You used a bullshit, make believe term for ‘progressive moron trying to score points with their clique’ in order to sound smart, and score points with your clique.

    I also think there’s a clear difference between saying the right things to score points, and saying the right things because they’re the right things. No one says 2+2=4 to gain favor with mathematicians, they say it because they’re not retarded.

  455. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    May 21, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    Except that most of what people say by way of virtue signalling is bullshit. It’s complete nonsense that sets the regressive left and SJWs apart from the sane population. It’s a way to mark allies, and targets of attack.

  456. disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    May 21, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    You don’t get to be the arbiter of what people believe or don’t believe. Doesn’t it seem way more insane to assume that people don’t believe the words that they say, just because you have a different worldview or perspective or whatever.

    What would you think if I said that you were only saying these things to gain points with your clique, and you don’t really believe any of the stuff you’re saying, you just don’t want to be ostracized by your peers or looked at like you’re some kind of pussy?

    Deep down, you agree with me. Or at least, you’re just saying this stuff to make a name for yourself and fit in. <—- this is what I think people who refer to virtue signaling are saying.

  457. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    May 21, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    I’m some anon on the internet. Who the fuck cares what I’m saying? I don’t care what people believe, I’m talking about facts which have a true or false value. The statement “Gamergate is a hate movement that harasses women” has a truth value irrelevant to what you believe. The people who make that statement for the most part don’t care whether that statement is true or false. And this is one of the most common forms of virtue signalling.

  458. disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    May 21, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    That doesn’t really make sense here though. You said that Ed Greenwood was virtue signaling, but it seems likely that he was at least somewhat familiar with the topic given his comments on it.

    The way you just described it, people who are virtue signaling are ignorant of the topic – it doesn’t seem like that’s possible here.

    If you describe him as a SJW, it’s clear that he’s not a talentless, worthless hack, because he created a large part of the Forgotten Realms mythos – which would probably make your comment at the very least premature, but probably more explicitly the (bullshit) virtue signaling that you’re calling everybody else out on, since you would seem to be kind of ignorantly throwing out a bunch of bullshit with little to no basis or research for your claims.

    Either way, virtue signaling is still a meaningless piece of shit word, a step above (or beside?) safe spaces, triggering, and all the other pointless fucking dumb PC bullshit in the world. Inventing a lexicon to validate your worldview doesn’t make it more legitimate, it just coats it with an extra layer of steamy, stinky, poo.

  459. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    May 21, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    If ignorance is involved, it’s wilful ignorance. We were discussing virtue signalling as a whole, but if you want to take that specific example, fine. I haven’t followed Ed Greenwood’s work. If you refer to what I said above, I said “even if he was just virtue signalling”. I was stating the possibility, not claiming that he was. I certainly think it’s likely, because I see no reason why a successful writer would defend shallow, two dimensional transgender characters other than the fact that it’s currently in vogue to support them in certain circles, and potentially career damaging to condemn them. It appears to pay to capitulate to this loud, angry progressive crowd. I’ve seen other successful creators go down this road. Each time, it seems they end up as creatively bankrupt hacks who sell themselves out to appease a very influential group.

    Or maybe Greenwood actually believes that shoehorned, shallow characters actually belong in his universe, as long as they’re transgender. As you say, I haven’t done enough research to make that call.

    As for those other words, you seem to think they come from the same place. Virtue signalling is often used against those same PC people, and only seems to be thrown back at their opponents as a form of projection. It’s a much more useful word compared to any of those other words.

  460. disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    disqus_ll3wKGtkBJ
    May 21, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    In fairness, the character is like…a vendor.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending the game or the writing – it’s clearly a piece of crap that doesn’t in any way live up to the original.

    It seems more likely, based on what he said, that themes involving transgendered characters, crossdressing, fuzzy sexuality, etc, have always been a part of the D&D universe and Forgotten Realms specifically – which would mean that having a tranny cleric pop up shouldn’t really be a big deal. Sure, it’s poorly written. The whole thing is poorly written though.

    It’s a little silly for people to be zero’ing in on that. It’s even crazier for them to think that there’s some kind of SJW crusade because a tranny showed up in a game with gender bending girdles and sex change spells and Gods who force you to suck dick and wash the sheets for a decade just so you know how the other half has to live.

    If you don’t know that shit is a part of the setting, you’re on board some kind of weird uninformed bandwagon here.

    As far as virtue signaling safe spaces triggering, etc, yes, I do think they come from the same place. I think that people with too much time on their hands, and grievances that aren’t worth talking about, invent words and terms to try to make their worldviews seem more legitimate.

    When someone whines about safe spaces, my immediate reaction is to look at that like they’re polishing a turd. What they really mean is they don’t feel fucking safe around group of people, so fucking say that.

    When you say virtue signaling, you’re saying that someone doesn’t believe the things he says that he believes – I think that’s a /fucking insane/, because how the fuck are you supposed to talk to people if you don’t believe they believe what they’re saying?

    If they did the same thing to you, you’d literally both be sitting at a table across from each other smiling smugly at each other, winking, convinced that the other person is just saying stuff to score points with their worldview bros, not because they have a valid viewpoint.

    In the end, I don’t care who’s using what words against whom; I just think that people should try not to hide their real views behind a word or a phrase that sounds prettier. It does all come from the same place. It comes from a place of deep rhetorical dishonesty.

    And I think you should stop using that phrase. Not that I think you should give a shit about my opinion. It’s just life advice. Take it or leave it.

  461. Kansokusha
    Kansokusha
    May 21, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    I’m very much okay with those themes appearing in Baldur’s Gate, or any D&D setting, and I think pretty much any right-minded person would be. The issue has always been that the writers at Beamdog not only hijacked a much venerated IP for their agenda, but also transformed several well liked characters. I don’t just think it’s a black eye for people who oppose SJWs, but also for people who want to see well written characters of all genders and sexual orientations in video games and tabletop. I think there’s ample evidence to think that Beamdog had a progressive agenda, namely the jab at Gamergate they threw in. If anything, the poor, slanted writing is a missed opportunity.

    As an aside, picture a cisgender person roleplaying as a transgender person at a live tabletop game and imagine SJWs losing their shit. With this #NotAtMyTable bullshit, it’s only a matter of time.

    As for having too much time on my hands, I genuinely think this shit is important. Not only is this stuff affecting video games, but this is the ideology that makes it impossible to address men’s issues. Progressivism is what has the top leaders in Europe opening their borders and silencing the police and media as crimes are comitted by immigrants. SJWs expand their safe spaces to cover entire campuses where academic freedom is virtually non existent, and men are subjected to Kafkaesque trials by university staff. So while not everyone needs to be worked up about every cause that comes along, I think fighting this ideology is something that a lot of people need to stand up and do. It’s important, and has little to do with the amount of free time you happen to have. And while I have been polarised in this particular debate, I do try to take a nuanced approach. Women’s issues need to be represented, we have a responsibility to help refugees in dangerous countries, and people should be able to expect a reasonable degree of safety at campuses. I also in the last two years have seen very little evidence that the people leading this ideology do not claim to care for the above things that they claim to be for. Progressivism is an attempt to turn the west into a Marxist society, and even the infiltration of video games is a part of that. I don’t think there’s any common ground to find here. That’s why I’m always sceptical of an SJW’s motives. It’s usually quite simple to separate people with legitimate grievances and are along with progressivism for those reason, from the cynical actors who simply want to destroy.

    And finally, as for virtue signalling, it’s just vernacular. If I say virtue signalling, people understand what I’m saying. It’s a form of brevity. I say computer, instead of “device that performs complex tasks by way of electrical signals that perform mathematics.”

  462. Chief Smakaho
    Chief Smakaho
    July 6, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    Yah, well you had sites like IGN sucking its dick. You are correct, people had no idea that the game was actually a lesbian walking simulator.

  463. Damir Khamzin
    Damir Khamzin
    August 8, 2016 at 4:13 am

    I am a full supporter of Amber Scott, the Beamdog team and their collective choice to make the BG franchise more inclusive to modern day society. I am so happy that she re-wrote the characters to make them more into real people – and like it or not, this is the direction we are heading in. Either get with the program or get left behind, I say!

    If you have a problem with the content of this game and have nothing more to say than “I don’t want ‘SJWs’ shoving their opinions down my throat” then I am sorry for you. You clearly have issues and are struggling with the basic intellectual practice known as cognitive dissonance. Also, you need to get your act together because if you can’t respect people for who they are – then you are a bigot. That’s just the reality.

    I am hoping for more content like this from the Beamdog team.

  464. Smug
    Smug
    August 8, 2016 at 4:25 am

    nice bait faggot

  465. Damir Khamzin
    Damir Khamzin
    August 8, 2016 at 4:27 am

    There are counsellors in your city who can help you with your issues. You should get in touch with them.

  466. Smug
    Smug
    August 8, 2016 at 4:31 am

    I bet you care for niggers and mudslims too

  467. Damir Khamzin
    Damir Khamzin
    August 8, 2016 at 11:46 am

    I do. And the ones who are in touch with their own inner truth and follow the path of love care for me just the same.

    I hope you find that, man. I really do wish you all the best.

  468. Smug
    Smug
    August 8, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    Don’t worry you’ll find that path of love with the immigrants/rapefugees soon enough :^)

  469. Manu
    Manu
    September 28, 2016 at 3:47 am

    This Amber Scott bitch is begging to become the new Jennifer Hepler.

  470. Manu
    Manu
    June 27, 2017 at 4:59 am

    Besides… these SJWs didn’t really need to change any character, because they already had a character they could use as stand-in for themselves, whom existed since the original Baldur’s Gate.
    The stupid, overly aggressive, daddy-issues riddled, man hating Shar-Teel Dosan.

  471. Isaac Blackthorne
    Isaac Blackthorne
    July 16, 2017 at 12:09 am

    fuck that pile of shit excuse of a game

  472. Mygaffer
    Mygaffer
    November 7, 2017 at 4:55 pm

    It’s funny to read people who are so obviously triggered themselves try and attack someone for being “triggered.”