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Star Wars Battlefront II Plagued by Loot Crate Shenanigans, EA Response Gets Downvoted Into Oblivion

Electronic Arts is getting ready to release Star Wars Battlefront II, and while we haven’t reviewed the game – widespread reports point to the game being plagued by loot crate shenanigans, and not the good kind of shenanigans.

The reports point to a few key points: loot crates give a very clear advantage to players that pony up and purchase them over players who simply buy the main game and play like normal (without buying loot crates). Coming from this, it can take dozens of hours to grind and unlock another playable character.

The game’s premium currency, Crystals, have completely bewildered players regarding the progression system – further cementing the overall feeling the game is decidedly a pay-to-win kind of experience. This boils down to non-paying players being completely screwed from the very beginning, no matter what they do.

Electronic Arts has already responded to the widespread criticism for the game: “The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes.”

This post has become the most downvoted post in all of Reddit’s history.

Their response continues:

As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the Open Beta and other adjustments made to milestone rewards before launch. Among other things, we’re looking at average per-player credit earn rates on a daily basis, and we’ll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have challenges that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via gameplay.

We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on Reddit, our forums and across numerous social media outlets.

Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can.

This was a response to a player saying he paid $80 on the game, only to find Darth Vader locked behind a paywall or dozens of real-world hours to access.

Star Wars Battlefront II is launching across PC, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One on November 17th.

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101 comments
  1. Gigaknight
    Gigaknight
    November 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    If even Redditors are this keenly aware of EA’s chicanery and greed, perhaps it’s safe to say that the world eagerly awaits the day a proton torpedo reaches EA’s exhaust port.

  2. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    November 13, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    They’re already pulling the “muh death threats” card.

  3. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    November 13, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    Reddit’s this up in arms about it. Are we witnessing the end of the lootbox cancer that’s plaguing the games industry?

  4. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    November 13, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    No way.That will happen when authorities will start cracking down on these assholes.Hoping many people will get arrested in the process.

  5. orbo
    orbo
    November 13, 2017 at 2:56 pm

    Jim’s going to have a field day with this.

  6. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    November 13, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    And when you thought EA popularity couldn’t get any lower.But this kind of scum always finds a way to sink lower and lower.

  7. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    TheOnceAndFutureKing
    November 13, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    inb4 the influx of “are gamers too entitled?” articles

  8. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    November 13, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    Oh my god, are you fucking serious?

  9. Jack Thompson
    Jack Thompson
    November 13, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    It’s a ploy. By going full whaler, they can then tone down the bad business designs somewhat while still leaving many in tact. They will then gain face and establish what shitty practices they left in as the norm.

    M rated movies do the same thing. They go overboard on material and send it to the ratings boards, then they send in a “toned” down version that is rated M instead of R because “it wasn’t as bad as before”.

    This will happen here, and Reddit will go back to eating it up once EA “atones” for it’s sins.

  10. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    November 13, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    If you mean Sterling he will REEEE about how toxic gamers are while throwing in just a enough bare minimum shit at EA to keep this vapid fanbase pacified, if you mean other Jim then yeah he could have real fun here.

  11. chaoguy
    chaoguy
    November 13, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    They know this spark can spiral into a pushback against ALL lootboxes, so every other company that does it is pulling their favors since they have horses in that race.

  12. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    November 13, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    Nope.He released a video on the subject and you couldn’t be more wrong.

  13. Darkrulershadowlord007
    Darkrulershadowlord007
    November 13, 2017 at 3:22 pm

    Glad to see this lootbox bullshitis blowing up in their faces, sadly those greedy twats at EA wont change.

  14. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    November 13, 2017 at 3:22 pm

    Nothing like that the smell of a narrative brewing in the morning.

  15. SevTheBear
    SevTheBear
    November 13, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    Yeah seen it. They can pull all the cards they want, their loot box BS problem ain’t gonna go away xD

  16. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    November 13, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    He plays a pro-consumer character when it suits him for patreon bucks, he shows his true face when his buddies are involved.

  17. SevTheBear
    SevTheBear
    November 13, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    This will scar them. But it would help more if people vote with a wallet as well

  18. Cubanoman
    Cubanoman
    November 13, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    Not even konami manage to piss so many people

  19. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    November 13, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    What will ultimately matter is Disney seeing that EA is generating giant amounts of negative PR towards their IP as a game property which will hopefully force them to rethink things and get out their contract, look at how they’ve been with the movies either meddling heavily with them or replacing directors at the top of a hat.

  20. Maelstrom
    Maelstrom
    November 13, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    And EA is not his buddy, last I checked.

  21. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    November 13, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    He’s right when it comes to lootboxes.I don’t need more.

  22. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    November 13, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    Oh boy, time to ignore the legit criticism and lump it all in to the death threats and shit.

  23. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 13, 2017 at 3:59 pm

    but ea might start copying warframe designs

  24. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    November 13, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    It’d be the first good thing Disney did with the franchise if they did.

  25. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    November 13, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    Then they’d have some quality in their games.:)

  26. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    November 13, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    438,000 downvotes right now, it’s beautiful. Apparently the previous record holder only had around 24,000, and that was a joke post asking people to downvote it. Reddit is at least good for something I suppose.

  27. SOMEGUY7893 .
    SOMEGUY7893 .
    November 13, 2017 at 4:15 pm

    “The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes.”
    >They act like they can’t make hard in-game challenges to do the same shit.

  28. SOMEGUY7893 .
    SOMEGUY7893 .
    November 13, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    If it’s not someone higher up in the company putting it out then it’s probably people actually giving them false threats just because they know it’ll make some people upset and then it’ll start a shitstorm.

  29. PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS
    PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS
    November 13, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    What a generic response. At least they’re not trying to sell you their bullshit.

  30. PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS
    PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS
    November 13, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    Watch them go crazy hiring more minorities now. Just to play the race card. EA: It’s not just about diversity anymore.

  31. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    November 13, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    No doubt they don’t plan on changing costs for post launch content, they want the model of GTA Online where you either grind for dozens for hours to get DLC or pony up space bucks instead.

  32. DrearierSpider
    DrearierSpider
    November 13, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    This is one deal I pray gets altered further.

  33. kunuri
    kunuri
    November 13, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    Good, they deserve to be punished, this useless, pointless, generic non-game shouldn’t even be released; this gambling is illegal, and nothing short of an FBI raid of the EA headquarters will be an appropriate response to this criminal ring.

  34. malbhet
    malbhet
    November 13, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    perfect lol:D

  35. Jack Thompson
    Jack Thompson
    November 13, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    Oh look, I can see the future.
    http://archive.fo/CU3X8
    http://archive.fo/3A3ob
    They kept in all the shitty slimy business practices, Skinner boxes, operant conditioning, F2P but P2WIN tactics in a full price triplayy game, etc., BUT they made it somewhat less shitty, so it will be hailed as based EA listening to consumers and being a good company whilst they shift the acceptance of these terrible practices further towards the norm. I bet this whole stunt was planned from the beginning.

  36. kunuri
    kunuri
    November 13, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    This. It’s a convenient enough fallback when he wants to criticize something, but as soon as he personally likes anything awful, he’ll found some retarded, roundabout way of defending it. i.e. “Fallout 4 is a 9.5/10 because it let’s me get cucked by Tyrone just like in real life!”

  37. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    November 13, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    It’s almost like microtransactions encourage bad design decisions. I’m really glad that people are starting to see how potentially damaging these practices can be.

  38. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    November 13, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    This is a proof that backlash works. That being said EA’s response is mostly tiny damage control. Now you have to play for 10 hours straight to unlock a single hero rather than 40, if you don’t want to spend any money that is.

  39. Exien
    Exien
    November 13, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    Just one word: good

  40. GameZard
    GameZard
    November 13, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    I am sorry but I have no sympathy for these retards. You bought a EA game so what did they fucking expect!? That’s like buying a Ubisoft game and bitching that it is buggy and unoptimized.

  41. GameZard
    GameZard
    November 13, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    Won’t stop people from buying these games though.

  42. braneman
    braneman
    November 13, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    The previous most downvoted comment on Reddit was somebody explicitly asking for downvotes and had amassed a staggering 25k.

    You still shouldn’t buy this game, get a refund on it if you can.

  43. GameZard
    GameZard
    November 13, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    A broken clock is right once in a while.

  44. GameZard
    GameZard
    November 13, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    Gematsu in a nutshell. Lol

  45. GameZard
    GameZard
    November 13, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    I never get tired of being called entitled by people that make thousands off patreon.

  46. Riosine
    Riosine
    November 13, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    huh? people can like awful or broken games (or any stuff) for some personal reason

    So How is that even a problem unless you are trying to imply there ever was some kind of objectivity behind all game revews and their scores?

  47. grgspunk
    grgspunk
    November 13, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    Redditors might be retards, but even these guys know when to spot bullshit.

    Considering this is EA though, it’s not saying much.

  48. Zanthos
    Zanthos
    November 13, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    All the “outrage” is going to amount to crazy sales and them still making bank. If loot boxes didn’t work, they wouldn’t use them and all that jazz. At the end of the day money talks and they win.

  49. Ace
    Ace
    November 13, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    I generally hate sweeping generalizations, especially about gaymers, but one of them is true, and that’s gamers are prone to getting ripped off and enjoying it.

  50. Jack Thompson
    Jack Thompson
    November 13, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    gamers casuals are prone to getting ripped off and enjoying it.

  51. Jack Thompson
    Jack Thompson
    November 13, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    “This is a proof that backlash works”
    Are you sure? Are you sure this wasn’t EA’s plan all along and this wasn’t a manufactured controversy so they could play “the good guy” while still maintaining a disgusting amount of slimy practices in a 60-80 dollar game?

  52. 2501
    2501
    November 13, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    Im sorry but you gotta be one tone-deaf idiot to think that spending $80 in a DICE game will unlock you something good and promising.

  53. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    November 13, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    Yes, I’m pretty sure. They already had the entire P2W system in place and there was no reason to draw attention to it. This massive negative feedback is likely going to hurt them and the IP, which could cause some tension with Disney, so I don’t really think they are stupid enough to do this type of gambit with Battlefront. If it was their plan all along it massively backfired.

  54. braneman
    braneman
    November 13, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Oh yeah and another reminder EA has an exclusive license for Star Wars games.

  55. Jack Thompson
    Jack Thompson
    November 13, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    “I don’t really think they are stupid enough”
    You do know that, among other things, EA has paid people to fake religious protests of one of their games to stir controversy? I’m fully convinced they can be this retarded. I also highly doubt they managed to get more than ten times the record for downvotes without heavy botting.

  56. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    November 13, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    The bots could be from either side. This also was their response to somebody discovering how long it would take to unlock said characters, so unless that guy is an EA plant as well this seems rather unlikely.

  57. catazxy
    catazxy
    November 13, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    This will not not change much of EA’s cancer mictrotrasaction or sales, but it’s good to see at least some kind of backlash.

  58. InkViper
    InkViper
    November 13, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    Hey kids, were not going to give you a season pass! Instead where just going to Fuck you over with pay-to-win loot boxes, micro-transactions and punishingly long grinding sessions, in order to unlock any think fun and interesting if you don’t want to pay!

    Sincerely yours, with a big fat middle finger, EA.

  59. Zanthos
    Zanthos
    November 13, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    I’m not quite into the hip lingo, who? What? How?

  60. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    November 13, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    It’s a fake quote attributed to cucklord Trudeau that embodies cucking out. The type of outage you’re talking about here didn’t lead the Xbone to crazy sales at launch when they thought they could just fuck gamers in the ass that’s why I see no point in keeping quiet here.

  61. Zanthos
    Zanthos
    November 13, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    Ah, gotcha. You do have a point about the Xbox, but a 60$ game is different from a 400$ console, I see the game doing well regardless the outrage.

  62. Riosine
    Riosine
    November 13, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    µT and loot boxes are almost universally despised on game related boards.and forums, Thus the outrage will fail to generate an streissand effect type of setting that I think you are trying to imply

  63. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    TheOnceAndFutureKing
    November 13, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    I never get tired of being called entitled by people who fallaciously equate entitlement to being spoiled, even when it comes to basic things like wanting a fully priced game to actually have content.

  64. EroBotan
    EroBotan
    November 13, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    the problem here is that there is no non-paying customers, everyone is paying lol

  65. OldPalpy
    OldPalpy
    November 13, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    I can see the outrage making Disney antsy though, EA might not give a fuck but they will.

  66. Volrath
    Volrath
    November 13, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    To be fair to the devs, they’re caught between the hard rock of EA’s “You must do it this way to make us money” and the gamers “Fuck you I bought it, give it to me”. It’s a shit place to be, but they signed on for it when they agreed to work for EA’s evil ass.

  67. Ebicentre
    Ebicentre
    November 13, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    First it was Mass Effect, then it was Visceral, then Respawn, and now this.

    2017 is probably EA’s worst year ever. And I mean that sincerely.

  68. Johnny “Beat” Medina
    Johnny “Beat” Medina
    November 13, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    Agreed, only ones likely to take bullets for this are lower MM pushed with the responsibility of initiating these practices in the first place. A CEO letter at best which is nothing.

  69. RetroGamer
    RetroGamer
    November 14, 2017 at 12:45 am

    Oooo….A game about space Dracula. Finally!

  70. Travis Touchdown
    Travis Touchdown
    November 14, 2017 at 1:05 am

    Meanwhile, I’m just sitting here playing my Nintendo Switch. The only gaming platform right now that has NO LOOT BOXES AT ALL.

  71. Kakaku
    Kakaku
    November 14, 2017 at 2:16 am

    Should probably let you know that there’s also a 75% reduction to credits earned from singleplayer. From 20,000 down to 5,000.

  72. JohnnyCageFan2
    JohnnyCageFan2
    November 14, 2017 at 2:34 am

    Came here to say that. See there, paying for things was never a good idea.

  73. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    November 14, 2017 at 2:48 am

    That saying didn’t age well.

  74. JohnnyCageFan2
    JohnnyCageFan2
    November 14, 2017 at 2:54 am

    Yawn. So EA doing something shitty and gives a shitty response causes “mass” outrage on reddit. I have no sympathy for these players who have been fucked over. No one can honestly expect any good to come from EA and if they did, they’re a day old and shouldn’t be playing games anyway.

    -622k at the time of this post with 63 people giving them more money.

  75. EroBotan
    EroBotan
    November 14, 2017 at 6:41 am

    In this case it’s more like paying for things you already paid XD

  76. Noah
    Noah
    November 14, 2017 at 8:22 am

    This will not not change much of EA’s cancer mictrotrasaction or sales, but it’s good to see at least some kind of backlash.

  77. Justin Williams
    Justin Williams
    November 14, 2017 at 9:36 am

    The “diversity shield”. Corporate defense tactic 101.

  78. Justin Williams
    Justin Williams
    November 14, 2017 at 9:38 am

    EA goes away when people refuse to buy EA product. Wait long enough and there wont be much product that isn’t EA.

  79. Justin Williams
    Justin Williams
    November 14, 2017 at 9:44 am

    EA isnt done with this by a mile. This is their new revenue model.

  80. ActivistZero
    ActivistZero
    November 14, 2017 at 9:49 am

    I’m glad this is getting the “scorched earth” treatment.

    And this might sound controversial, but I’d rather just pay for a season pass, at least than you had a relatively good idea what you are paying for compared to loot boxes

  81. Pilebunker
    Pilebunker
    November 14, 2017 at 10:01 am

    Not really. They’re so pissed because they bought the game and then discovered EA was screwing them over more than usual. I bet EA is scared now, as they weep themselves to sleep on their money bed.

  82. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    TheOnceAndFutureKing
    November 14, 2017 at 11:28 am

    my favorite is whenever these SJW journos are “endangered”, their initial reaction is to brag on social media instead of going to the police.

  83. Pilebunker
    Pilebunker
    November 14, 2017 at 11:34 am

    Decades of evidence that EA is scummy.
    10 studios destroyed by them.
    Has started and implimented nearly every anti-consumer practice that companies use these days.
    Time and time again, they’ve shown they give 0 shits about their consumers.
    And people are now mad EA screwed them over? What a bunch of idiots. It’s like petting an animal after realizing it has rabies and then getting surprised when it bites you.

    To make things even better. Arcade mode holds credits back for 3 hours if you play it “too much”.
    https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableTenderCrowLitFam

    Even better. They cut the rewards by 75% too. And now they’ve removed the option to refund on the Origin page so you have to go through their horrible customer services. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f28feda05bdd52635b8a82408935762d1615be377d84b4fc697d044c5c7eb2ed.png

  84. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    November 14, 2017 at 11:57 am

    I hope it gets worse.

  85. Belmont
    Belmont
    November 14, 2017 at 1:59 pm

    When/Where did they do that? Curious to read about it. I know EA is cancer, but I haven’t seen that one.

  86. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    November 14, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    >…we’ll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have challenges that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via gameplay
    >put you on a cooldown from earning rewards if you’ve “played too much”
    You can’t make this shit up.

  87. Jack Thompson
    Jack Thompson
    November 15, 2017 at 10:39 am

    https://archive.is/ndOke
    This is old news. EA is known to be extremely retarded and scummy. Paying someone to bot probably cost then less than these protesters

  88. Belmont
    Belmont
    November 15, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    It’s a shame people get away with this kind of thing.

  89. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    November 18, 2017 at 9:16 am

    Kind of funny how people dislike being robbed blind!