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Report: Blade & Soul Altered/Censored for “Questionable” Material in Western Release

The western launch of Blade & Soul is finally coming on January 19th, however, some worrying reports of censorship regarding the game’s western release have been brought to our attention.

The news comes from the game’s official forums (via KotakuinAction), in which a user quotes a member of the game’s localization team. This staffer was in charge of rewriting an entire questline as well as NPC interactions in what they’re dubbing the “A Scholarly Path” side-quest chain.

The original quest featured a “misogynistic philanderer” who seeks to rekindle his libido after being thrown in prison and is subsequently rendered sexually impotent (all of which is a result of him cheating on his wife).

The quests he offers involves obtaining things which will cure him of this ailment, including stealing women’s clothes, and peeping on bathing women. He asks you to do this because he believes these women are nymphs, and according to a local legend, they are forced to marry him if he has their clothes.

It turns out these women are Lycandi, and observe a similar custom – so he ends up being forced to marry one of them and ends up getting her knocked up. The staffer makes a point in saying the guy is vocal about not loving her, that he thinks she’s unattractive (because she has muscles), and blames the player for ruining his life.

Apparently, this has all been completely re-written to make the player character into “a decent human being” who doesn’t “go around trying to force women into marriage against their will.” Instead, the NPC is now a scholar “who’s studying the Lycandi” in the hopes of “bringing their currently-at-odds communities together peacefully.”

Instead of being sent off by the NPC “to find what he believed to be home remedy versions of Viagra,” the player is now asked to “research different aspects of the Lycandi’s lifestyle to better understand them.” The aforementioned bathing scene has been changed to remove “any degree of him spying on the women.”

While this is one instance of censorship, the staffer goes on to mention that in its original form the questline “made pretty much everyone on the team really uncomfortable.” They further slammed the original content:

“It’s one thing to have content in a mature-rated game that addresses sexuality or plays around with adult humor, but another entirely where it makes use of crass and frankly misogynistic concepts.  That sort of thing just isn’t funny and it raised way more concerns than it did laughs.”

It’s worth mentioning that other instances of questionable changes or censoring to the game have been discovered, with noticeable story and NPC dialogue being altered to make the player into a strict hero archetype, with no moral ambiguity or failures. Villains have also been sterilized to be stereotypical cartoon-level evil.

Any other quests the team finds personally offensive or not “welcoming” enough are reportedly being altered or removed. I’d also talk about the report of memes being added into the game to make serious events into comical ones, but I generally take a “no means no” approach to unwanted memes.

The best part? The localization team is also deleting posts on their forums which are criticizing their choices, instead of forwarding said posts to actual developers working on the team.

It’s worrying when NCSOFT previously said they would never censor the western version of the game, only to now hear them say “Oh, we only meant costumes, we’ll never censor costumes.” They slightly lied in this case as well, with the removal of lingerie (as clothing), instead putting them behind a paywall.

We’ve reached out to the folks at NCSOFT regarding this entire thing – we’ll keep you guys posted.

(Editor’s Note: It’s possible this only affects the North American localization, and not the European one. We’re still waiting on clarification on this).

,
Brandon Orselli

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361 comments
  1. Firion Hope
    Firion Hope
    November 23, 2015 at 6:33 pm

    Wow this is the worst kind of censorship, sounds like they’re fucking up the entire game. Was interested in this too beforehand, but now they can screw themselves.

  2. Mark Samenfink
    Mark Samenfink
    November 23, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    UNACCEPTABLE. I’m so sick of having what content I can view as an adult dictated by literally anyone other than myself.

  3. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    November 23, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    I dont get this why would you bring over a game and change it away that will get the target audience mad

  4. LazyGamer
    LazyGamer
    November 23, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    BOYCOTT!

  5. Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    November 23, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    I think the localization crew chose the wrong profession.

    Amazingly the thing that bothers me the most (assuming it’s true), is the addition of memes to the dialogue.

    Congratulations you’ve instantly dated your game before it’s even out. You must be proud.

  6. NathanEH
    NathanEH
    November 23, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    Ouch. Another game I won’t be getting, another company I won’t be supporting. So sad.

  7. BaronKrause
    BaronKrause
    November 23, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    Hahaha their forums are down. They are either getting slammed or are in full damage control mode.

  8. Mir Teiwaz
    Mir Teiwaz
    November 23, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    I was super super excited for this game after playing in the closed beta. Now I’m happy I didn’t pay for a founder’s pack.

  9. deadeye
    deadeye
    November 23, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    Changing costumes? Whatever. I don’t like it, but I can deal with it, and doesn’t impact the game.

    Totally changing characters and story elements? That’s where I draw the line. They’re putting their own view above the developers. I don’t know where localization teams get the idea that they should do this sort of crap, but it needs to stop.

    Removing any kind of character flaw from the player character is just ridiculous. Not every good guy is 100% good. Everyone has flaws.

    I could go on and on about this, but it makes me sad. Although I am more thankful for some of the localization folks out there that actually do a good job.

  10. UntamedLoli
    UntamedLoli
    November 23, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    Similar quest in Aion on the elyos side. Funny how it’s a problem now.

  11. DavidGX
    DavidGX
    November 23, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    Just saves me more money. I don’t buy censored garbage if I can avoid it.

  12. Touma Kazusa
    Touma Kazusa
    November 23, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    Am I back in the 90s when Nintendo censored every little thing in games? I thought we had already move over that phase. *sigh* all these assholes in charge of localizations are causing gaming to regress

  13. Phantoo
    Phantoo
    November 23, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    Welp, that’s like the 10th game this year that I was curious about and not going to even touch anymore. Thanks NCSOFT!

  14. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    November 23, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    It’s free to play though so you can technically never give them any money lol

  15. Luna Kazemaru
    Luna Kazemaru
    November 23, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    You clearly haven’t been following the game if you think you need to buy it xD

  16. Garbagio Dumpsterino
    Garbagio Dumpsterino
    November 23, 2015 at 6:46 pm

    This needs to stop happening. So many Asian games are getting censored nowadays. Might start to boycott them all.

  17. Garbagio Dumpsterino
    Garbagio Dumpsterino
    November 23, 2015 at 6:46 pm

    You’re not responsible enough to determine what you should and should not consume. Let us do that for you.

  18. Postcards
    Postcards
    November 23, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    I agree with this. TERA’s changes didn’t bother me but making changes to the story and characters do.

  19. Luna Kazemaru
    Luna Kazemaru
    November 23, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    this game isn’t Japanese….

  20. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    November 23, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    Goes to show how quick are people to jump the gun and cry foul. That’s a legion of Internet Warriors for you~.

  21. True Goddess Reincarnation
    True Goddess Reincarnation
    November 23, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    Clearly they understand their customer base.

  22. jet jet
    jet jet
    November 23, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    thanks for deciding what would be ofensive for me or not and pushing your shity agenda into my hobby once again!
    makes me hate these social justice twats even more.

  23. Demias
    Demias
    November 23, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    I like how they throw around “misogynistic” like it’s some sort of absolute truth. I’ve been looking forward to this game for 5+ years, ever since the 2009 GStar trailer, and watching it be stomped on by these clowns completely kills it for me.

    Uncomfortable. What a joke.

  24. BurntToShreds
    BurntToShreds
    November 23, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    What gets me the most is the elimination of moral ambiguity. Are MMOs not allowed to touch on morally grey areas? Is that now solely the domain of AAA games and indie shit? At least there are MMOs like Star Wars: The Old Republic that let you go full evil….

  25. SpecialK
    SpecialK
    November 23, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    Yikes. Zero interest anymore in this. Sounds like another “localized” MMO game destined to never get played and shut down, and good, it deserves it for this.

    I don’t like any localization team deciding what I’m morally allowed to read or not. 100% uninterested now. Utter rubbish. This team sounds like an utter laughingstock.

  26. Michael Richardson
    Michael Richardson
    November 23, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    And just like that, it’s off my radar.

  27. Kamen Rider Mike
    Kamen Rider Mike
    November 23, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    Wow….the localization teams this days know how to trigger fans of the game to not only piss them off while removing forum posts about the “Questionable” material.

  28. DavidGX
    DavidGX
    November 23, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    It’s an MMO, there will be money involved at some point. There always is. At the very least, this saves me hard drive space.

  29. DavidGX
    DavidGX
    November 23, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t really pay much attention to games journalism anymore.

  30. OSad
    OSad
    November 23, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    Maybe it’s not even NCSOFT’s fault, just the localization team taking too many liberties without a superior’s consent.

    I hate that this is happening too, but I’m not ready to throw the blame on NCSOFT as a whole here. They maybe aren’t even aware the kind of damage this is causing and are just going along with what the local. team is saying.

  31. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    November 23, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    Was just teasing ^_^

  32. Alistair
    Alistair
    November 23, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    Ho Ho it’s getting better & better the mind of the SJW crowd is overwhelming for me.

    Very good Brandon some comedy right there…

    “Blames the player for ruining his life” wow that the trigger right there for them oh noes a NPC shouting at me.

    & making the player a decent man got all the hallmarks of SJW trigger happy titshead.

    We can’t have NPC blaming sentiment SJWs can we or spy on women not lolis women so we went from lolis to women & still the SJW crowd got they FUCKING WAY.

    Well guess what I won’t be getting the game even if it’s fucking free.

    Because I think EU will be censored too because all other games NA & EU gets censored together.

    I’m hope I’m wrong & it’s not censored NA could import EU version right.

  33. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    November 23, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Man it never fucking stops.

    I feel like I’m a very lucky human, since this shit almost never happens to games I personally care about. That said I can’t pretend to be happy to see games get utterly butchered like this. It’s just insulting to both the customers and the original creators.

  34. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 23, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    I don’t get it. The original quest line has the bad person get some punishment for his offences. It doesn’t appear to be supporting the NPC’s viewpoints, but showing the dangers of such blind misogyny and attempts at romantic manipulation.

    The game is already toast for being years late to the party, who do you think you’re enticing with these changes?

  35. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 23, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    The game’s years old, it was already dated before it came out!

  36. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 23, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    I mean – are you forced to do the quest? You can say No right? Then what’s the problem??

  37. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    November 23, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    For those who are still curious if the team bringing B&S to the States did promised that the game will not be censored, here’s their video that proves them making claims on their now empty words at 1:11:50:

    https://youtu.be/5Lsyj1W6LyA?t=1h11m50s

  38. Kiririn51
    Kiririn51
    November 23, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    For a moment I thought they were taking away the thigh slider, thank god that wasn’t the case.

  39. Luna Kazemaru
    Luna Kazemaru
    November 23, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    I don’t get these changes some of them seem pretty trivial and make the story seem like a disjointed mess.

  40. Shadepariah
    Shadepariah
    November 23, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    I got to play the closed beta. I didn’t even pay attention to the story. It was extremely generic, and this sidequest sounds like another old school kung-fu side story, which of course the localization team lacked any real understanding of, as usual. I guess that explains why it put me to sleep after a couple of hours. The combos are relatively fun with friends, but I found the controls way less flexible than Terra and very unintuitive. Attacks change depending on all kinds of things and you have to sit there and read the whole manual to understand why your character is doing one thing at one point and another thing at another point.

    tl;dr let’s admit it, the storyline of an MMO is rarely remembered and usually skipped. The harm is done by the gameplay first on this one.

  41. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 7:23 pm

    Their official discussion on this has been condescending to say the least.

    They put up a pinned thread saying “open discussion”, they then went around nuking page after page of people dissenting against their PC Policing.

    My absolute favorite is where the head Localizer actually dismissed legitimate rasmussen polls showing NOBODY WANTS THE PC POLICE

    (Waugriff)

    (Last Writer Standing)

    plasmacutter

    Also, just for the sake of clarity since you’ve posted that link twice now: that poll mentions that it covers a national survey of 1,000 American adults, of which 71% responded they are against censorship in general. That’s a total of 710 people. The current approximate population of the USA, according to a quick check on Google, is 325,127,634. That’s a pretty small survey pool, all things considered. If your intention is to accurately present the opinions of the US population on a broad scale, you should probably find a source of information that uses a much larger sample size.

    You clearly have no idea how polling works. A sample size of 1000 people (which is normal) leaves only a tiny percentage for margin of error. Rasmussen is also a very well respected polling company.

    Your complaint is moot and all things considered, you should probably not comment on things you do not know about just so you can try and dismiss empirical data which disagrees with the decisions carried out by your team.

    As for a question, will the ingame profanity filter be altered so that it doesn’t censor ridiculous words such as “Hitler” and “jihad” and “retarded”? Also is it yet known how much premium will cost on launch, as right now it is only 1 ncoin

  42. EroBotan
    EroBotan
    November 23, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    obviously they’re hoping for SJWs & feminists to play their game (lol?)

  43. Alistair
    Alistair
    November 23, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    Antia & her group needs to go to the doctors & tell them.

    I don’t like mistreatment of cartoon women tropes lolis etc etc & see what response you get.

    DO NOT BE surprised if you get wisk away to the loony Bin.

  44. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 23, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    Funny how they banned only the anti-censorship people from the threads

  45. Alistair
    Alistair
    November 23, 2015 at 7:32 pm

    I think I stick to my moe crystal at least that not bow down to these retards.

  46. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    November 23, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Into the trash

  47. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    I agree, but the NCsoft CM has been locking and pruning threads on this and offering empty platitudes.

    He’s been banning people speaking out against the localization moves while allowing a radical feminist to spew vitriol which would bring you up on hate speech charges if it referred to jews rather than men.

    It’s obvious nothing more will happen without obvious external scrutiny from the enthusiast communities.

  48. Domhnall
    Domhnall
    November 23, 2015 at 7:38 pm

    “This isn’t “I’m mad because I can’t be a pervert in a video game”, I’m upset that someones artistic choices are being squashed because it made some people uncomfortable.”

    I don’t see the difference here between a questline and a costume. A costume is just as much someone’s artistic vision as a quest’s storyline. I don’t see the logic or point in drawing a line in the sand between the two.

  49. Zubei
    Zubei
    November 23, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    So they changed/removed one quest that nobody will ever care about because its just a means to level. Big deal. Then you guys complain about the lingerie being changed, lol. First, it was changed because people complained about not being able to see the body when trying to create the Gon. Second, you can see more skin than before. Who runs around without a costume anyways? Nobody cares about that.

  50. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 23, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    it’s the same mod team that was deleting and banning during wildstars censorship run

  51. blackice85
    blackice85
    November 23, 2015 at 7:40 pm

    I think moral ambiguity adds realism too. There’s a reason we call ‘cartoonishly evil’ cartoonish, it’s not realistic and seldom found in the real world if you’re not just reading the cliff notes of what happened in historical events. Particularly if you’re reading both sides of a conflict.

  52. Tawney Roberts
    Tawney Roberts
    November 23, 2015 at 7:40 pm

    Putting them behind a paywall, those bastards!

  53. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    November 23, 2015 at 7:40 pm

    NOA seems to rubbing off of everyone lately.

  54. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 23, 2015 at 7:40 pm

    it’s more than those 2. you should probably look into it more if you want to comment

  55. Yabloko Molloco San
    Yabloko Molloco San
    November 23, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    Nothing new. See Tera and the Ellins.

  56. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Even the term “cartoonishly evil” is only anglosphere.

    In anime, barring obvious and deliberate slapstick, villains have motivations which can be understood in terms of reason and which can even come across as sympathetic.

    Glorious Nippon offers their elementary and middle-school aged progeny more moral agency in their media than Hollywood does American adults.

  57. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    November 23, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Here’s a question did the team feel “uncomfortable” about this content naturally or because of propaganda that’s been beaten into their heads the past couple years?

  58. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    November 23, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    True but that could be modded back in. I don’t know if a questline and dialogue can be in this case.

  59. blackice85
    blackice85
    November 23, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    That’s part of what drew me to anime and manga yeah, they’re far less hesitant to explore different approaches in storytelling and themes.

  60. blackice85
    blackice85
    November 23, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    If you have to silence your critics then you know you’re in the wrong. People who believe in what they’re doing don’t need to hide.

  61. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 23, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    they said “mod it if you want, if game guard bans you its your fault”

  62. Getting Gay With Kids
    Getting Gay With Kids
    November 23, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    It does for me because they said there would be no censorship.

  63. RockstarRepublic
    RockstarRepublic
    November 23, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    Boycott…make some noise… let them know gamers will not accept this.

  64. John
    John
    November 23, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    You guys seriously have nothing else better to do. A few changes to some quests/Storyline and you guys scream like babies. They are quests….you do them once and their gone, usually fast. If it was something like my outfits/Character model, yes i would be mad but……quests…..

  65. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    November 23, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Are you talking about Tera or Blade and Soul? I modded Elins back to their original and nothing happened.

  66. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    November 23, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Wait… A quest?, not only the default outfit (which i must admit, it helps to create a character easier) but change story content, even if they are sidequest, is stupid, extremely stupid

  67. John
    John
    November 23, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    Damn, you’re like a fckin parasite.

  68. Azure
    Azure
    November 23, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    Funimation: We’re a professional localisation team!

    Japanese version:
    ‘Don’t you know how to treat a senior?!’

    Funimation version:
    ‘Oh you’re not one of those gamergate losers?!’

    Seriously we need new studios to work in these fields.

  69. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    Why thank you :^)

    I had to go through a great deal of hell trying to get uncensored anime in the 90’s and I don’t appreciate seeing this in games.

  70. Alistair
    Alistair
    November 23, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    I’m not going to reply to John was going too.

    but then why bother fuel the flames.

    Some people are easily lead I suppose.

  71. Cadenza
    Cadenza
    November 23, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    it’s more than just one, lone sidequest. It’s a lot of quests, a lot of names, a lot of story elements and plot devices just straight up rewritten. We are no longer playing the same Blade and Soul. We are playing an interactive fanfiction. The primary antagonist turns into a typical cartoony “big bad”. One of the four great guardian’s names gets so butchered that he essentially gets renamed The God of Martial Arts The God of Martial Arts. I did not write that twice on accident, that’s his name now.

  72. Zubei
    Zubei
    November 23, 2015 at 7:57 pm

    Please. Elaborate on what else has been changed.

  73. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    November 23, 2015 at 7:57 pm

    So are you sheep.

  74. Zubei
    Zubei
    November 23, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    Not enough to really warrant all this crying.

  75. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 23, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    That’s what NCsoft said about applying fan translation patches

  76. John
    John
    November 23, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    Relatively speaking, everyone is.

  77. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    November 23, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Wow! Seriously fuck them then! The hell is with all these localizations using memes?

  78. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 23, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    plot lines regarding time travel. characterization. the 2 you mentioned.
    memes.
    It’s an all around botched localization. they got the entire script in english from team bloodlust all they have to do was check grammar and ship it, but they had to start injecting their politics and will continue to do so in regards to future content.

  79. John
    John
    November 23, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    Lol i already know. It’s all just “Minor” things, but alot of them. I understand why everyone is a little uneasy but no need to cause such an uproar about it. Everybody keeps asking “Why” and expect an answer immediately and when they don’t get it, this happens.

  80. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 23, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    “The God of martial arts the God of martial arts” is hilariously bad”

  81. IndigoHawk
    IndigoHawk
    November 23, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    Yes, thanks for the headsup on this. I was starting to hear some positive buzz about this game, but now I too have zero interest. There are plenty of games I can play that aren’t being censored by localization teams. Sorry this happened to Blade & Soul.

    I also laughed at the new empowered poses and costume changes in the screenshots. Haha. The lingerie poses are cheese, but so what? That’s what the game devs made, and it’s up to gamers, not localizers, about whether they want to play that or not.

  82. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    November 23, 2015 at 8:08 pm

    Some more than others. I mean they removed actual story content and put outfits behind paywall. It’s disgusting.

  83. John
    John
    November 23, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    I guess you could say they are “Testing the waters”. Seeing what they can do and not do.

  84. bob
    bob
    November 23, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    Blade and Soul is SJW trash, got it.

  85. ninjaclown
    ninjaclown
    November 23, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    “I mean – are you forced to play the game? You can say No right? Then what’s the problem??”

    Do you see where your flaw in logic is? It’s like buying Macross and getting Robotech, they’re changing everything for no reason.

  86. DoDoDo Ro
    DoDoDo Ro
    November 23, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Dododoro of MMOSite here, when asked about the localization and changes this was the answer I received and I was HIGHLY disappointed that they’ve taken that route (I’ll also be writing an article on the Westernization Conundrum)
    https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139406-open-discussion-with-english-localization/?p=1418764

    I’m afraid I can’t answer any questions about the history of the game simply because I’m unaware of it myself. The current run of NA/EU localization for Blade & Soul began at the end of 2014 and we’ve been working from the ground up localizing/translating from the core Korean source and EN1 translations sent over by the Devs. To the best of my knowledge, we haven’t used any content featured prior to 2014. The primary direction given to us when it came to localizing content was not to make things easier or dumb things down, but to make sure the content would be accessible to a broader audience. Ideally, Blade & Soul can be enjoyed by everyone, even those who have no prior knowledge of the Wuxia genre, the game itself, or its fan-made translations. We were asked to ensure that the content would be welcoming to all players and readily understood in different regions with as low an immediate learning curve as possible

    with as low an immediate learning curve as possible.

    as low an immediate learning curve as possible.

    low

    learning

    curve

    https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139406-open-discussion-with-english-localization/?p=1419537

    As of the recent CBT3 update one of the characters has been changed as well as her dialogue (Due to people being offended by her southern accent)
    https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/142364-closed-beta-3-change-notes/

  87. Alistair
    Alistair
    November 23, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    Any how’s it’s late, they be known as 2 face liars for ever more.

  88. Luna Kazemaru
    Luna Kazemaru
    November 23, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    I’m not sure what you was expecting to do with outfits in the game they don’t provide stats and for the most part are faction based or just for looks ofc they where going to put them in the cash shop. Not even sure why that is a complain because the other versions themselves do this and they could have just went full pay to win mode with the game like the china version.

    I can get the story complaints because like i said all they did was just turn it into a disjointed mess but the last thing i thought i see is bitching about shit that doesn’t destroy the economy or break the game in a cash shop let alone in a f2p game no less.

  89. ninjaclown
    ninjaclown
    November 23, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    The story and characters are being changed. People aren’t getting the product they were promised, namely the same product as the rest of the world.

  90. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    November 23, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    Seems that people asked why on their forums and had their posts deleted in response. So technically, people aren’t even allowed to ask why. Someone else on this comments section went into more detail and posted a sample of them ignoring a poll and showing a lack of understanding on how polls even work.

  91. Ms_Fortune
    Ms_Fortune
    November 23, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    They removed a stretching animation from female PC’s in Guild Wars 2, they also altered their running animation to make it more manly for reasons I cannot comprehend, I guess nobody in the studio has seen how a woman runs.

    So I’m not surprised, the company has its fair share of SJWs.

  92. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    November 23, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    Because it’s easier to take other people’s work and make them fit into your ideology, it’s like killing a bird with two stones for these social justice types.

  93. Luna Kazemaru
    Luna Kazemaru
    November 23, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    Or its just shitty changes that no one asked for? Really is this the card you all going to play every time?

    Its sjw this sjw that

    Its starting to sound truly stupid at this point its just shitty changes plan and simple.

  94. John
    John
    November 23, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    It’s how you represent your question to be answered. When you go onto the forums and start raging and demanding an answer, you might just get ignored. I mean, maybe some get bad service because they act like an ass?

  95. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    November 23, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    I’ve heard that Bravely Second also has a lot of Japanese memes, will NoA compound on the issue or will they remove it and actually make the game better.

  96. SolidSalamander
    SolidSalamander
    November 23, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    There was a pretty good chance I was gonna play this…but holy fucking shit these progressive libtards are everywhere now. There’s no way I’m touching the NA release of this with a 10 foot pole. I don’t suppose there are fan-made english patches for the Japanese version of the game or some such thing like PSO2 does?

  97. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    November 23, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    Supposedly it’s to get a wider audience. But if you take one look at the game, you’ll know immediately what audience this is even intended for.

    That’s not the audience who would be offended that a sleezebag is being sleezy or that he gets forced into a life of heavy snu-snu instead of the meek waifu he was after.

  98. Kamen Rider Mike
    Kamen Rider Mike
    November 23, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    Nope

  99. magicalfollower
    magicalfollower
    November 23, 2015 at 8:25 pm

    And they announce this after people buying Founders Pack.
    Convenient, huh?

  100. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 8:25 pm

    The faq has a quick-link to the refund request.

    I’ve already put mine in. I’ll donate that 125 bucks to #freedomoftweets instead.

  101. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    I hear the TW version is understandable. I’d get a gaming VPN to drop the ping.

  102. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    November 23, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    Neither you nor I can really tell how those people worded their questions especially since they’ve already been deleted. But apparently, and I’ll quote a snippet of plasmacutter’s reply to someone else,

    “He’s been banning people speaking out against the localization moves while allowing a radical feminist to spew vitriol which would bring you up on hate speech charges if it referred to jews rather than men.”

  103. OSad
    OSad
    November 23, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    It’s not about whether the story is sub-par or not; it’s the fact that it’s subject matter is being altered to “be fit to a broader audience”.

    At the end of the day, an MMO can have the shittiest storyline known to mankind. That’s fine, people can vote with their free time, but when you promise content will not be censored in a western release, and then you do a 180 and start censoring large swaths of it before said release, you haven’t just done an anti-consumer move and tarnished your game’s reputation before it’s even out, you’ve straight-up lied to your audience.

    Make your story however you want. But don’t tone it down assuming we’re little kids who can’t take it.

  104. OSad
    OSad
    November 23, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    It’s not about whether the story is sub-par or not; it’s the fact that its subject matter is being altered to “be fit to a broader audience”.

    At the end of the day, an MMO can have the shittiest storyline known to mankind. That’s fine, people can vote with their free time, but when you promise content will not be censored in a western release, and then you do a 180 and start censoring large swaths of it before said release, you haven’t just done an anti-consumer move and tarnished your game’s reputation before it’s even out, you’ve straight-up lied to your audience.

    Make your story however you want. But don’t tone it down assuming we’re little kids who can’t take it.

  105. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    November 23, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Let’s see:
    – Adding memes to the dialogue
    – Completely changing story lines and scenes without the author’s permission

    – Removing critical posts
    – Making certain costumes harder to access
    Yup it’s gotten pretty bad.

    This is why I meant with different levels of censorship, they might as well pull out the game or rework it until it’s a completely different thing.

  106. Arenegeth
    Arenegeth
    November 23, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    In case it wasn’t obvious, why this new* ‘wave’ of censorship has hit gaming lately, is mostly because of two reasons.

    1. Bad press. Especially evident in Nintendo’s case. Though is true that most people that would raise a fuss, about, let’s say the underwear in Project Zero/Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water were in all likelihood people that would not buy the game anyway, thus their disapproval of such content (which would most likely be appealing or at least neutral to most actual customers) would not directly affect sales. Nintendo’s family friendly image would be dragged through the mud by the media and that could have an adverse effect on the company as a whole, given how they choose to market themselves (whether Nintendo should market itself differently or not is another discussion).

    Keep in mind, when I say media, I don’t mean the games media as much as the mainstream media. Tomodachi Life got a lot of attention from the usual progressive media based on its exclusion of gay marriage, since then Nintendo has been extra careful not to offend SJW types.

    2. Localization teams being co-opted by progressive ideologists. Evident by Tweets and other ideologically driven comments made by members of said teams on occasion and the result of their work. Even if a word wasn’t given from above, many of them will try to inject their ideology and censor or alter things to make them more ‘inclusive’ and ‘progressive’, which would not be a hard sell to corporate, since who likes to be called a racist, homophobic, misogynist?

    All of that sentiment is driven by a more general social climate and authoritarian/libertarian ideological battle that is going on right now, that unfortunately unless it resolves things are only going to get worse before they get better.

    And remember, for every Japanese game you hear is getting censored, there’s many western games, that get self censored at the cradle before you even hear about them, as developers and marketers are walking on eggshells right now, trying not to upset the giant progressive boogieman that will smear and slander their work as the slight hint of impropriety.

    What you can do about it? Well nothing really, vote with your wallet where you can and if you are really dedicated learn Japanese and import. But this is a result of something bigger and the change will be reflected in gaming when the dust settles, in whatever direction it may go.

    *New in the sense that it has intensified. Video games were always subject to censorship, and have always basically censored by the merit of their existence (in the sense of what you can get away with and market compared to other media).

  107. shwarma
    shwarma
    November 23, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    I would like to point out they are not liberals but illiberals, restricting freedom of thought and/or behavior. It boggles my mind that there are people who got into localization solely to censor the works of others.

  108. John
    John
    November 23, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    That’s kinda fcked up. Although he did mention he would be deleting posts that don’t contribute to the discussion of him answering questions. So most likely the people who were banned got reported by other people? Lol.

  109. SolidSalamander
    SolidSalamander
    November 23, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    Dude what the fuck. Fuck NCSoft holy shit.

  110. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    developers and marketers are walking on eggshells right now, trying not to upset the giant progressive boogieman that will smear and slander their work as the slight hint of impropriety.

    Donald Trump’s Poll Numbers and the story of Protein World should be telling these corporates what to do: respond to these wailing snowflakes with a swift “shut up meg”, publicly and loudly, then do an unrepentant victory lap.

    The snowflakes tried to shame protein world as misogynyst, they responded with a “shut up meg” and their twitter followers started posting blue whale “feminist body ready” memes, their sales blew off the charts.

    The media tries to shame Trump for “misogyny”, he quips back “only rosie odonnell”, the crowds applaud, his polls shoot up 20%. They call him a racist, he turns it into a joke, says “build that wall”, and his poll numbers shoot up another 5%. BLM tries to shame him, he has security remove them, the crowd cheers, he goes up another 5%.

  111. ObeliskDR
    ObeliskDR
    November 23, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    There is a lot of things the author is missing regarding this, note I do not fault the author as these were buried.

    It’s a gross exaggeration, and many quests were flagged and put into question, this one was the only one changed. To be honest it was a cringe quest that literally had 4 if not less dialogue interactions.

    -There is no translation team. The team making these changes are a “writing” team.

    https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139406-open-discussion-with-english-localization/page-3#entry1417807

    https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139406-open-discussion-with-english-localization/page-4#entry1418390

    -They didn’t translate anything. Korea translated it and sent it over to them fully in English (EN1).

    https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139406-open-discussion-with-english-localization/?p=1416651

    -Blue quests, like the ones mentioned in this thread, aren’t under as strict regulations as yellow quests.
    https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/forums/index.php?/topic/139406-open-discussion-with-english-localization/page-3#entry1418316

  112. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    November 23, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    Let’s not forget that Japan is also censoring foreign games and making similar decisions in some of their animations and having ridiculous porn material restrictions.
    The Tomodachi Life stuff was a game breaking bug and was possible only with a game that didn’t come out here, it was incredibly disingenuous. I think the boards may have gotten stricter.

    The best solution is to contact the companies with your issues and support on an case by case basis, there’s no reason to miss out on a good game because of some jackass publisher unless they do go to far.

  113. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    November 23, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    So it’s double dated and that means it’s my game for my dad.

  114. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    November 23, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    I would imagine posts questioning the decisions of the localization team with regards to their changes (tone be damned) would be more important to the discussion than posts from someone throwing around what would be eligible for hate speech to people doing the questioning.

    Whatever the case, I don’t think either of us will get much more of this discussion since we’re both missing some important facts, namely the nature and tone of the deleted posts. For all we know, some of them may have been respectful.

    But I hope we can agree that IF what plasmacutter said is true, that it shows a clear bias on the localization team’s side since such a person would be on the same level as what you imagine the deleted posts to have been like.

  115. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    These people go on and on about “diversity” and “respect for other cultures” only to engage in “cultural erasure” when they don’t like what they see.

  116. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    November 23, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    So, basically, this version is the shittiest one

  117. Cody
    Cody
    November 23, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    Nice. No, don’t give the game to another studio that will do a proper localization. Take the money and fuck it up. Terrific!

  118. Fenrir7
    Fenrir7
    November 23, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    Jesus fucking christ! It’s one fucking thing after another. How is gaming supposed to grow if it can’t tackle serious subject matter??

  119. ObeliskDR
    ObeliskDR
    November 23, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    Uh, no, I suggest you do some research between them if you honestly believe a single blue quest edit (Most likely encouraged by the Korean team) overrides the pay to win concept China, for example has incorporated.

    This is a melodramatic reaction, plain and simple.

  120. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 23, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    Completely changing Jinsoyun’s personality and back-story to turn her until snidley whiplash would be another.

  121. GethN7
    GethN7
    November 23, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    I’d refuse to buy such a crap product and cite the corruption of the original by the censors as the reason.

  122. Luna Kazemaru
    Luna Kazemaru
    November 23, 2015 at 8:57 pm

    ummm no the chain version is

  123. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    November 23, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    Reading in those forums, looks like there will be many changes and not just one quest

  124. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    November 23, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    Uh please, Funimation likes to add dated references so for example: “Leave it to Beaver, Fuck GooberGoblin!”
    I think the problem is that these studios are staffed by people who can’t program, can’t get any other job because of their humanities degree and think Joss Whedon and Doge are the height of comedy.

  125. Guest
    Guest
    November 23, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    The problem is that these people specifically hire other people who think like them and force out everyone else. There’s no question of qualifications or professionalism because they don’t care about the content in the first place. They’re turning localization companies into political correctness consultants you’re forced to put your game/show through to get it published. Good strategy to filter Japanese ideals from reaching Western culture actually. Kind of scary.

  126. Nagato
    Nagato
    November 23, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    Either that or they chose the right profession as goons looking to be gatekeepers and decide what content is acceptable for adult humans.

    Well, goons or gaffots, but it’s not like there’s much of a difference between the two nowadays anyway.

  127. bdp
    bdp
    November 23, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    Why are we riding a wave of censorship and can it please stop?

  128. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    November 23, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    Well Goons lost 10 dollars and the Gaming Authoritarian Force lost 1 year of their life waiting to post on a forum.

    Plus GAF can handle anime better than Goons, who get triggered by anime tiddies.

  129. 7-D Sensei
    7-D Sensei
    November 23, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    They fucked with it, I don’t play inferior products, that’s a policy.

  130. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    November 23, 2015 at 9:14 pm

    The original version of that quest sounds completely awful and i’d have felt like a reprehensible piece of shit had I done it, but that’s hardly any excuse to change it

    Knowing about the game I (and many others) could easily just make the choice not to play it

  131. ecolink110
    ecolink110
    November 23, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    they arnt just censoring it cus theyre sjw’s
    they are making MORE money the longer it takes to “localise” the product
    that means changing shit which shouldnt be changed
    aka CENSORING
    they want as much cash as possible this is a case of abject GREED

  132. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    November 23, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    Another piece of censored trash to ignore.

  133. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    November 23, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    You’d feel reprehensible doing quests in a video game?

  134. ObeliskDR
    ObeliskDR
    November 23, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Where? There literally has been no quest changes since Alpha, the entire purpose of closed beta is to exercise the translations that have already happened. The ‘censorship” wave kind of already took off

  135. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    November 23, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    Why can’t people just make two different scripts and have them selectable in the options instead of being totally candy asses about it?

  136. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    November 23, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    We need more weebs trying to be localizers instead of realizing it probably doesn’t pay enough to be worth the effort or putting in the time and effort to write their own stuff instead of translating.

  137. Narmy
    Narmy
    November 23, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    That’s my goal when I finish learning Japanese, though I don’t know if any of the big companies will hire someone without any connections.

  138. Godmars
    Godmars
    November 23, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    Thing is they’ll still get paid. Will likely continue to damage other like projects negatively impacting the companies and games they’re hired to.

  139. Sinsate Etasnis
    Sinsate Etasnis
    November 23, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    I think he’s saying “why change the quest because it makes you uncomfortable if you can refuse it.”

    IE. He’s saying the localization team shouldn’t change it.

    Also, this change seems kind of dumb.

    The localization team is ok with violent quests, but spying on a woman makes them feel icky? Sounds like they have some issues.

  140. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    November 23, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    “The NA release simply is not a one-for-one translation of the KO version – it was never intended to be one and it has not been approached as such at all from the get-go.” to me, that’s something to worry about. Also, if they’re saying that “the changes brought on by EN3 localization (story elements, names, etc) are only going to be noticeable to players who have already been exposed to other versions of the game” it’s difficult to me to not get that as “we’re changing more than just a quest”

  141. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    November 23, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    Yes, happens all the time. Have you never played Tactics Ogre? Undertale? Plenty of games that make you do sketchy shit and I always feel like a bastard for doing it

    Although those examples are kinda different since the things you do in them tend to be more violence oriented than just being grossly and creepily sexual like this

    I have a higher tolerance for violence than sexual deviancy so in those cases I just let myself feel like a dick whereas with this i’d just avoid it either by skipping the quest or not playing the game at all

  142. androgydroid
    androgydroid
    November 23, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    no one gives a fucking SHIT about a broader audience. you aren’t going to get it via censorship. it’s so blatant what kind of person plays this game.

  143. androgydroid
    androgydroid
    November 23, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    what makes me mad about the nintendo slander on tomodachi life is that gay marriage didn’t exist in the original japanese one either

    it was a glitch.

  144. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    November 23, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    “No, this is the world you chose to live in, now choke on it!”
    ~God

  145. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    November 23, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    Quick, run towards Nexon, their too cheap to censor!

  146. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    November 23, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    Probably too stupid to work around a DDOS.

  147. androgydroid
    androgydroid
    November 23, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    yea the original quest makes me cringe, personally

    but that’s a personal discomfort and not grounds for me to ban shit.

    shit, adam sandler films make me cringe with admittedly transphobic jokes, but i’m not telling anyone to stop watching or to ban all sandler films. like… that’s my fucking deal.

  148. androgydroid
    androgydroid
    November 23, 2015 at 10:24 pm

    because if women run/walk different than men it’s sexist i think? because it ‘appeals to straight men’s eyes’

    despite the fact there is a biological, anatomical REASON for the difference.
    “but it’s not real life” is a handy excuse for them when they WANT it to be, and can also be shot down by “but media has influence on people irl!” when we use it

    duh.

  149. androgydroid
    androgydroid
    November 23, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    because you let it slide once, you let it slide twice, eventually, it takes over.

    that’s why people get upset

  150. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    November 23, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    The irony.

  151. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    November 23, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    i’m not a fan of MMOs so I’m not really affected. But I can’t say I’m surprised.

  152. Io
    Io
    November 23, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    Oh shit, I didn’t expect this thread to end up on Nichegamer o.o. Nice to see you guys reporting on this!

  153. Pico
    Pico
    November 23, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    Fuck you Nintendo, oh wait…

  154. Domhnall
    Domhnall
    November 23, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    I recommend to try translating some stuff now and posting it up on a scanlation site. Even if you can’t get business connections, it’s important to have some kind of body of work to point to and show you can do the job.

    Alternatively, start your own company. Fuck, I’d support just about anyone from this site. I know you guys wouldn’t screw me over with localization.

  155. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    November 23, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    Personally, I like it when a game can make me feel like a bastard for doing something. That means that I am successfully immersed.

    Spec Ops: The Line did it quite well when I blew up a bunch of civilians and relief forces without realizing it at the time since I thought they were just another group of enemies I didn’t want to fight. Ar Nosurge did it beautifully when it made me care about the fact that I was ruining a character’s life by simply being around.

  156. Danekas89
    Danekas89
    November 23, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    “My feelings are facts.”

    These people deserve to lose their jobs.

  157. Getting Gay With Kids
    Getting Gay With Kids
    November 23, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    That pisses me off so fucking much.

  158. Getting Gay With Kids
    Getting Gay With Kids
    November 23, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    Seriously, they literally did it because the localization team didn’t like it. So basically all of the consumers are screwed if localization teams are filled with these kind of fragile people that get triggered by a fucking quest in a video game.

  159. Max
    Max
    November 23, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Hopefully this makes more people understand why these crazy indoctrinated groups pushing their agendas on other’s creative works is a huge problem, it’s even happening to Nintendo games.

  160. Narmy
    Narmy
    November 23, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    Thanks for the advice.

  161. LostGryphon
    LostGryphon
    November 23, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    Hm. I was in the most recent closed beta and was actually considering buying a founder’s package.

    Not so much anymore…this shakes confidence quite a bit and I don’t like rewarding this kind of behavior on the part of localization teams.

  162. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    November 23, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    “The best part? The localization team is also deleting posts on their
    forums which are criticizing their choices, instead of forwarding said
    posts to actual developers working on the team.”

    My goodness, this is pretty much equal to Mighty No 9 level of bullcrap!

  163. Narmy
    Narmy
    November 23, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    At this point I think most localization teams are filled with those kind of people. Even in XSEED, the only reason they removed the ages from Senran Kagura was because it made them uncomfortable.

  164. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    November 23, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    I don’t feel reprehensible when I do bad things in a video game. I feel a rush of pleasure because it’s something I’ll never get to do in reality. Rampaging through Little Lamplight that first time is the most fun I’ve ever had with a video game.

    Anyway that’s normal. The entirety of the west has a higher tolerance for violence than anything sexual. A nipple is more triggering than genocide.

  165. ashikenshin
    ashikenshin
    November 23, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    The game is dead to me now. Seems FFXIV is the only MMO worthy of my time.

  166. PleaseHelpMe
    PleaseHelpMe
    November 23, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    it sucks that the states have to deal with shit localization teams like this I mean what can we do? nothing because any complaints we have about the changes made never gets to the developers so we are just stuck with whatever changes these people make they abuse their power. they arent our parents and they arent the fucking moral authority either. theres really nothing we can do about this shit and thats what pisses me off the most.

  167. gerton shref
    gerton shref
    November 23, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    I’ve been waiting for this game for like 8 years or something. And now, I’m not even going to bother. I don’t support any company that promotes censorship or hires Tumblr memelords for their localization teams. Why can’t these stupid companies just add subtitles and release it as is? I’m so tired of all their “creative changes” for western markets.

  168. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 23, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    Tree of Savior just let their fans translate it and it worked out so much better. these localization companies are worthless.

  169. Brackstone
    Brackstone
    November 24, 2015 at 12:10 am

    This has me upset. I spent more money on a founder pack than I normally would have specifically because they promised NOT to censor the game.

  170. Dio Brando
    Dio Brando
    November 24, 2015 at 12:16 am

    I am sick of being treated like a fucking child by these localizers who seem to think they can cut out everything they want because, “ew muh soggy knees”.

    If these fuckers think they can remove everything that’s “bad” from a video game, I can’t wait until they realize that murder is illegal and start censoring things German Counter Strike style.

  171. Toroa
    Toroa
    November 24, 2015 at 12:21 am

    Refund that shit! Or refund then buy a cheaper pack. They’re asking for it. Lol

  172. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    November 24, 2015 at 12:41 am

    I cant figure out whats worse: the localization team pissing on B&S or some of the dick riding e-groupies in the forums who are actually defending the changes for the NA release.

  173. Io
    Io
    November 24, 2015 at 12:56 am

    I actually wanted to upgrade my founders pack to a Masters pack before release, but now after all this shit, I don’t even know what to feel :l

  174. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    November 24, 2015 at 1:10 am

    Stop with that ” ~ ” faggotery

  175. Swordeus
    Swordeus
    November 24, 2015 at 1:13 am

    “the staffer goes on to mention that in its original form the questline “made pretty much everyone on the team really uncomfortable.””

    Because, naturally, everything is all about them, and not the people who would be buying the damn game. FFS, why would anyone hire people like them? I really just can’t understand how they have jobs.

  176. Nate Blank
    Nate Blank
    November 24, 2015 at 1:41 am

    FACEPALM

  177. Getting Gay With Kids
    Getting Gay With Kids
    November 24, 2015 at 1:41 am

    Yeah while that is stupid, at least that’s better than them removing actual content or censoring something.

  178. RunningWild1984
    RunningWild1984
    November 24, 2015 at 1:47 am

    People play MMORPG’s for story? I thought it was all about the dress-up. That’s what players end up paying for in the end, right?

  179. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    November 24, 2015 at 1:49 am

    Well, I would lie if I would say “well, not buying it then” since I don’t play MMOs at all, still pretty disgusting censorship, it’s a complete alteration from the original, how people still can defend that is beyond me, those People deserve sharia law to brought upon them since they love censorship so much, they must feel right at home then.
    I’ll make sure to never support that company, or any who do this shit. Save us Xseed, you’re our only hope.

  180. jlenoconel
    jlenoconel
    November 24, 2015 at 1:50 am

    Changing the entire story of the game to please feminists? Really?

  181. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 24, 2015 at 1:57 am

    ….You do realize I’m speaking in support of not censoring it. Right……..?

    If the developers were so concerned about the player being a “bad guy” then they have no respect for the playerbase being able to make their own choices whether to do the quest or not, or to stop midway when asked to do things they’re uncomfortable with.

  182. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 24, 2015 at 2:00 am

    Costumes aren’t really content, that’s why they get sold as cheap DLC, and microtransaction skins. Quests are content, and content is always the most important. They have a story. They have gameplay. They need balancing. They need a writer, planning, testing, and far more coding than someone throwing together a new costume around your model (I’ve seen devs admit their costumes that they add as DLC later are thrown together by one guy in a day). Most people see the difference in scope. Costumes are usually “something extra” and even considered as such by devs, where quests are the core of your game.

  183. DosonTheGreat
    DosonTheGreat
    November 24, 2015 at 2:03 am

    I think that guy is no longer on the team. He probably disagreed with their SJW ways.

  184. DosonTheGreat
    DosonTheGreat
    November 24, 2015 at 2:04 am

    Well they can’t help it. The game triggers them.

  185. Krystal S. S.
    Krystal S. S.
    November 24, 2015 at 2:08 am

    i don’t understand the fuss over this, it’s an M rated game after all. i am enjoying the closed beta though cleavage and skimpy clothes don’t bother me one bit. i wonder what else they will lie about in the future…

  186. Erthwjim
    Erthwjim
    November 24, 2015 at 2:21 am

    Are private servers still a thing? I know with Aion I used to play on a private server, not because of story but because I couldn’t afford it at the time. I would assume that with private servers perhaps they get a hold of the original source rather than some poorly adapter version of it.

  187. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 24, 2015 at 2:45 am

    To them, cronyist takeover is considered a justified breach of ethical conduct “for the greater good” because they consider their political opposition “sub-human”.

    Ever heard a leftist talk about middle america? If they had a choice they’d round up anyone outside a coastal city into concentration camps.

  188. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 24, 2015 at 2:51 am

    Fansub groups aren’t sjw : )

  189. Josh
    Josh
    November 24, 2015 at 2:52 am

    First SF5 and now this? I’m sick of games I want to play being ruined because some ethnocentric dipshit on the localization staff is offended by it and labels everything he doesn’t like with the “M” word. I am legitimately pissed off by this, I was going to try the beta this weekend and now it looks like I’ll be passing on this game.

    Stop trying to “protect” people from being offended you idiots. By doing this you’re making the executive decision to choose for us, to assume that we, the playing and paying customers, would also be offended by it. We wouldn’t. We’re adults and we know what we’re getting into you fucking morons. We don’t need you tarnishing things we want to enjoy.

  190. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 24, 2015 at 2:59 am

    There’s a decent Russian private server. and the no IP block Taiwanese server with an english patch available.

  191. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 24, 2015 at 3:13 am

    Got a link to promises of no censorship? Looks like we got another Payday 2 dev on our hands.

  192. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 24, 2015 at 3:15 am

    I may not want Sandler’s films banned, but I will tell everyone to stop watching that garbage.

  193. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 24, 2015 at 3:16 am

    “Most likely encouraged by the Korean team”

    If it was, they’d have said so. They instead said they changed it because THEY wanted to.

    Please don’t defend garbage behavior.

  194. ReaperX30
    ReaperX30
    November 24, 2015 at 3:18 am

    Really disappointed that we’re seing more and more games being censored but I’ll still have a look at it.

  195. Tarrasque
    Tarrasque
    November 24, 2015 at 3:27 am

    Gotta be PC bro!!

  196. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 24, 2015 at 3:27 am

    Quests are the CORE CONTENT in an MMO. You can’t use the “this isn’t important stuff” excuse this time.

  197. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 24, 2015 at 3:32 am

    Blatant lies. How pathetic.

  198. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    November 24, 2015 at 3:32 am

    Isn’t “remove it and actually make the game better” usually the rhetoric of people who approve of bad localization/censorship?

  199. iEatWoofers
    iEatWoofers
    November 24, 2015 at 3:35 am

    I’m surprised the Japanese developers don’t have a problem with some localizers changing their games… Sure, the western market probably isn’t their focus, but wouldn’t they as artists have a problem with someone censoring/changing their stuff?

  200. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    November 24, 2015 at 3:44 am

    Yeah their Job should be simply to translate stuff, no matter what it says. I wish altering someone else’s work that much would be illegal and the original creator could sue those assholes.

  201. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    November 24, 2015 at 4:12 am

    Only the executives get a say I imagine, and the only things they’ll hear is what their western counterparts tell them which is that the changes are necessary to increasing sales and totally won’t piss anyone off.

  202. tccboss
    tccboss
    November 24, 2015 at 4:13 am

    So why is it that a potential M rated game gets censored? I’m sorry aren’t adults supposed to be playing this game?!

  203. Internet Aristocrat
    Internet Aristocrat
    November 24, 2015 at 4:28 am

    So a localisation team thinks that their retarded opinions are important enough to warrant changing the content of a game to their own comfort level. And these are the people that want games to be art, by trying to become fig leaf censors.

  204. Zizal
    Zizal
    November 24, 2015 at 5:12 am

    This game is Korean. Most likely the western branch bullshit to them that their games will sell better if they censor them so the allow it.

  205. redeye998
    redeye998
    November 24, 2015 at 5:35 am

    It’s funny that nobody is talking about one of the worst voice-overs that happened in the modern game world.

  206. Pintheshadows
    Pintheshadows
    November 24, 2015 at 5:51 am

    Indeed.

  207. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    November 24, 2015 at 5:59 am

    No~.

  208. Imrix
    Imrix
    November 24, 2015 at 6:27 am

    Honestly I’m okay with the first quest they changed. Censorship is one thing, but when the designers themselves are uncomfortable with the story they found themselves telling, changing it is just editing. That happens a lot in storytelling, no problem.

    It’s the other changes that bother me. Sterilizing villains? Stripping out moral ambiguity? Why? To what point and purpose? How does this enrich the story?

  209. Mr. Greis
    Mr. Greis
    November 24, 2015 at 6:29 am

    I already requested a refund.

    Fuck this noise.

  210. Mr. Greis
    Mr. Greis
    November 24, 2015 at 6:30 am

    These aren’t the designers. These are bunch of yuppies that couldn’t hack it as writers and can’t fucking deal with reality. Bad shit happens. Big fucking whoop.

  211. Imrix
    Imrix
    November 24, 2015 at 6:32 am

    Yeah, I derped and didn’t notice it was a post-release localization team. Looking for a delete button…

  212. undub lover
    undub lover
    November 24, 2015 at 6:38 am

    It never ends does it?

  213. mekia
    mekia
    November 24, 2015 at 6:57 am

    Got my refund without any problems <3

  214. Pico
    Pico
    November 24, 2015 at 7:02 am

    This localisation teams are making me save lots of money on games that now i wont buy

  215. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    November 24, 2015 at 7:14 am

    When you hover your Cursor over your comment it should show a small upside down triangle on the upper right, clicking on that should give you the option to delete the post.

  216. Senka
    Senka
    November 24, 2015 at 7:23 am

    Exactly. If the original game has annoying shit in it, that’s fine. The game will be judged as a whole with that. That’s what’s supposed to happen.

    The whole point of being outraged about this crap going on now is that we’re getting literal rewrites instead of translation and localization.

  217. James Hewitson
    James Hewitson
    November 24, 2015 at 7:28 am

    Dear localisation team

    Deciding what adults can and can’t see/play because it offends YOU huh?
    F*** OFF WITH THIS NONSENSE ??

    Sincerely a gamer ?

  218. Senka
    Senka
    November 24, 2015 at 7:31 am

    The hilarious thing is I read that most, if not all, of the translation work was done. NCSoft hired this localization team to then fuck it all up. Not literally of course, but that’s clearly what’s happened.

    That’s probably the most outrageous thing to me. Now you’re shitting on the work of TWO major groups of people. How fucked up of a person do you have to be to do that? What kind of delusional, insane power complex do you have to have to act like this?

  219. James Hewitson
    James Hewitson
    November 24, 2015 at 7:32 am

    There’s a reason why I’ve been studying Japanese for the last 5-6 years, censorship is getting out of control ?

  220. chizwoz
    chizwoz
    November 24, 2015 at 7:37 am

    Here’s an idea. Let the audience decide with their wallets.

  221. msoltyspl
    msoltyspl
    November 24, 2015 at 8:03 am

    Since when a “localization team” has a decision-making word in anything ? They do what they are told to do.

  222. Sergio Nacher Fernández
    Sergio Nacher Fernández
    November 24, 2015 at 8:07 am

    At first I felt like this would be one of the few MMOs I’d be willing to give a chance to, but now that the localization is literally raping the script and denying the artistic vision of the developers with this Sock Juice bullshit, I guess that I will have to give it a pass, too.

  223. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    November 24, 2015 at 8:24 am

    I think Funimation gets some creative license on some of the animes they localize. Shinchan is a big example. While fantasy animes like Fairy Tail(MY FAVORITE) and Full Metal Alchemist dont feature any western references in the new dialogue, Ultimate Otaku teacher does.

  224. Paradigm
    Paradigm
    November 24, 2015 at 8:26 am

    I’m refunding my 3 Master Founder’s Packs. I wanted to play this game after it’s been in the East for so long, but thanks to one small team of “sanitizers” the game is now made nice and proper in order for me to be able to consume /s

    Korea made a great game, why change it? You clearly DID NOT PUT ANY WORK IN TO VOICE-ACTING, so why put effort in to “cleansing” a subjectively questionable storyline?

  225. Dazefire_wf
    Dazefire_wf
    November 24, 2015 at 8:47 am

    smh… already had to wait for this game to release here for so long and then they say all this no Censoring and they lied lol

    they are already making things bad for the game

    once again another game brought over just to be changed and things taking out and Censored for dumb or no reason at all smh…. its really getting annoying

  226. koksuckaahh
    koksuckaahh
    November 24, 2015 at 9:04 am

    That quest would have raised alot of eyebrow’s in it’s vanilla form.

  227. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    November 24, 2015 at 9:20 am

    Unfortunately a lot of localization teams want to have their mark on it regardless. Which is why there is so much westernization. It makes me sick how companies butcher the orginal script so bad.

  228. Maiyer Boyd
    Maiyer Boyd
    November 24, 2015 at 9:39 am

    Hmph. Just like “Bravely” Default. Well, with the right people, all we need is to bring the JP Skins to the US, and mod the ROMs.

    I got my SD Cards at the ready.

  229. Nickarawr
    Nickarawr
    November 24, 2015 at 10:32 am

    Believe it or not, original blade & soul story is actually somewhat engaging, it deals with the gray area of what’s right and wrong and not necessarily being the good guy. What ncsoft’s localization dev team has done is removed majority of these nuances that made the story interesting. Now the story is just a bland “hero” version that feels super generic to the point where playing the beta I just tuned out. I was having more fun translating the quests as I went along playing the Chinese version.

  230. Nickarawr
    Nickarawr
    November 24, 2015 at 10:35 am

    It’s ok, if we must, we’ll just mod the text and the uncensored models back in. Though we’re screwed with the cutscenes unless you guys want the korean ones lol

  231. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    November 24, 2015 at 10:57 am

    Depends on the work, indeed but I’d rather just have a straight interpretation of the original myself even if the little I’ve seen of Shin Chan in English seems amusing.

    I feel that Prison School despite not being fantasy, is one of those works where they shouldn’t have much creative license. At least not to the degree where they name drop some 80s sitcom character and expect me to know or praise them for it.

  232. alterku
    alterku
    November 24, 2015 at 11:05 am

    You should feel a resounding urge to demand your money back and never think about this pile of shit ever again. Maybe tell them why, too, but we all know civilized discourse and logic is the natural enemy of the SJW.

  233. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    November 24, 2015 at 11:25 am

    Aren’t you a special snowflake

  234. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    November 24, 2015 at 11:37 am

    They know you won’t be offended by it, they’re censoring it for the crazy people that will. Their thought process probably went something along the lines of “more people will be offended by this content than by censorship” (which is already a sad state of affairs if true), and so they decided that the other crowd was worth more to them than this one, either financially or morally, I have no idea since the vast majority of SJWs never buy games anyway so it’s hard to imagine they’re very profitable

  235. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    November 24, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Yes, but internet memes are an exception, those must be expunged no matter. Still this is more about localization right? The process of changing the dialogue to make it understandable to the localized audience.

    I was wondering more if NoA will just swap the Japanese memes with American ones and maybe add more of if they’ll change it, because a lot of Japanese players did complain about the memes.

  236. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    November 24, 2015 at 11:47 am

    I still need to play Spec Ops, I’ve heard good things about how much i’ll hate myself by the end of it. lol

  237. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    November 24, 2015 at 11:51 am

    I think for me it’s really just a matter of context. Like I can handle some pretty graphic sexual stuff it I think it’s presence in the story is valid (e.g I read the Berserk manga completely fine), but if it comes across as creepy or I get the impression that it’s just there to give people a boner it makes me pretty uncomfortable

    Similar thing applies to violence. Like, Tactics Ogre was a good example. You can do some awful stuff in that game but it’s all plot justified. However things like Mortal Kombat or GTA just make me cringe and I don’t play them

    But of course I don’t advocate for any of it being changed or banned. If I don’t like something then obviously it just wasn’t made for me

  238. EmpReb
    EmpReb
    November 24, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    I think, I getting black desert at this point. So close to buy but SJWs once again ruin my games.

  239. Ironstrom
    Ironstrom
    November 24, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    If a character in a game makes you feel unhappy I think there’s nothing wrong with that we should have characters that stand out. that we like/dislike/agree with/hate etc. Though I guess its the matter in games structured around where you do all the quests in an area then move on rather then pick and chose. Though I can’t think how many people playing a game like this would actually care ?? Really they should know what they are getting into.

  240. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    November 24, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    Agreed!

  241. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    November 24, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    Indeed!

  242. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    November 24, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    Haja well stated!

  243. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    November 24, 2015 at 12:47 pm

    Hopefully, but if the majority of gamers are still getting their news from the big mainstream sites, then stories like this will only be downplayed. That’s why its more important to promote niche blogs sites like this and let people know that there are alternatives!

  244. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    November 24, 2015 at 12:53 pm

    That’s assuming that the offended parties grinded long enough to even get to that part of the game. As most people here have stated, adults should decide for themselves what they do and don’t find to be offensive. Vote with your wallets folks!

  245. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    November 24, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    Thank You!!!

  246. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    November 24, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    Lol :D

  247. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    November 24, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    Aren’t we all~?

  248. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    November 24, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    …and suddenly I’ve lost what little interest I might have had for this game :(

  249. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    November 24, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    Yeah but if the TPP becomes law, it’s gonna hell of a lot harder to find your fansubs because if these people care enough to put the time and money into butchering games, they’d probably have a posse of white knights running around reporting said groups.

  250. John Doe
    John Doe
    November 24, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    I’ve wanted to start a company like that for some time, but I don’t have anywhere near the seed money.

    XSEED is the closest, but they got bought by Marvelous, so, it remains to be seen.

  251. Fient
    Fient
    November 24, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    So they turn a quirky foreign questline that could have given player a good experience of what the people making the game had in mind, and fits with the rest of the experience, completely transformed into something else that’s forced in its place.

    Entirely unnecessary and a sad loss

    There’s 2 ways to localize.
    Make content understandable to an audience of another language vs trying to reshape the content into something else, with censorship, rewriting and big edits.

    Getting really tired of companies taking route 2 out of morals and delivering butchered experiences that look like weird amalgamations of what the real original creators made and whatever modifications the localizer felt like putting.

  252. Fient
    Fient
    November 24, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    Seriously this.

    Localisation teams that treat their job as editing content to suit their feels are one of the worst things around.

  253. minmod
    minmod
    November 24, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    “It’s not a matter of censorship or anything like that. It’s more a question of whether or not we wanted to include some genuinely questionable and uncomfortable content when we had the ability to make it something more welcoming.

    When I’m presented with the choice of writing a character and story line that is pretty reprehensible without it being critical commentary on his actions, or reworking it to a more positive direction that isn’t going to make me and others squirm, I’m not exactly going to hesitate to go for the latter.”

    This is the golden line in all this. I don’t think ANYTHING counts as censorship anymore to these people.

  254. minmod
    minmod
    November 24, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    Asian studios (both for games and anime) generally have no idea and rarely care about what goes on in the west, including even Nintendo with NOA. It’s usually a hands-off “Uhhh…you guys handle everything”, they see themselves as too separated to really understand a north american or european market well enough to handle it themselves.

  255. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    November 24, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    The memes, Jack!

  256. Keirnoth
    Keirnoth
    November 24, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    Fuck these localizers. If you’re going to be localizing Japanese media, you better fucking be a fan of the way the Japanese do their media. If you’re going to be changing the original content because it offends your leftist puritan sensibilities, don’t fucking localize their media!

    Why is this so hard to understand?!

  257. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 24, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    These guys are full-on, koolaid-drinking, orwellian SJWS.

    Check out their Blade&Soul entries:

    http://i.imgur.com/4YJj5bl.png

  258. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 24, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    SJW’s gotta make money though, and this kind of job lets them push their worldview. fuck videogames, social justice is more important
    ((BNS is korean))

  259. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    November 24, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    As long as you don’t want it changed or banned. You’re just a product of your environment really.

  260. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 24, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    Dojo found the piece of shit who is proud to have censored content in the game, he even wrote it in his linkdn

  261. AzureNova
    AzureNova
    November 24, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    Wow! They deserve zero respect for this! This is truly an absolute outrage. They clearly stated that there wouldn’t be any censorship when it was being brought to the West.

    They obviously don’t give a damn about their consumers or the artistic vision of the original creators.

    I hope they loose their jobs and the rest of NCSOFT sees how angry they’ve made people as not to make the same mistake again.

  262. Keirnoth
    Keirnoth
    November 24, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    Where is this from? Is this his LinkedIn profile?

  263. Keirnoth
    Keirnoth
    November 24, 2015 at 11:59 pm

    (((Sorry, BEST KOREA media.)))

  264. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    November 25, 2015 at 12:10 am

    Yes, someone on B&S dojo posted this screenie.

  265. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 25, 2015 at 12:20 am

    If you want an example of how a company with integrity behaves, let’s look at an example of another game with a “scummy” quest.

    In The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC there is a sidequest in which a maid requests you chase down her mistress because she has run away from an arranged marriage meeting. Her mistress is a teenage girl and if you had talked to her previously in the game you’d know she loves going to school and is disgusted by her family’s traditionalist practices. You are requested to drag her back by any means necessary. Your party balks at this, especially your main character. (who is a strong independent woman). Other nearby NPCs even comment how they’re horrified that a girl so young is being forced into marriage.

    The maid says that she doesn’t care what your personal opinions are, this is the job she’s offering so deal with it if you want to get paid.

    Now to get full points for completing the quest you not only have to chase down the girl, but you have to call her a coward in order to guilt her into coming back and suffering through her arranged marriage. You barely even get to chastise the maid for her underhanded sleazy behavior.

    Does it make you feel like a bad person? Sure does. Does it make the player “uncomfortable”? Yep. Did XSeed cut or censor the quest? NOPE!

    That’s how you care about localization. The quest isn’t mandatory. You can just abandon it and let the girl run off. But you’re a mercenary in the game, so if you want to get credit you need to do your job. Just like the localizers for Blade and Soul needed to suck up their pathetic feelings and Do. Their. Job.

  266. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 25, 2015 at 12:23 am

    What a Douchelord

  267. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    November 25, 2015 at 12:26 am

    I bet they don’t even know it’s happening. There’s basically two situations, where the JP devs or whoever are nitpicking and ordering the localizers around at every step and they have no freedom, or where they basically don’t supervise the localizers at all letting them do whatever they want. This seems a clear case of the latter.

  268. edge
    edge
    November 25, 2015 at 4:27 am

    WTF? They changed a character’s voice because people were offended by a country accent? Literally WTF, when a character who’s supposed to sound like they’re from the rural country is changed because people were offended they sounded like it

  269. it me
    it me
    November 25, 2015 at 9:26 am

    every western or western-localized MMO is full to bursting with pop culture references. blame blizzard & WoW for normalizing this. FFXIV cannot do anything without puns and memes everywhere, and they even re-write some of the story dialogue to reflect it

  270. E M P
    E M P
    November 25, 2015 at 10:02 am

    Nightgowns are culturally unacceptable as fuck.

  271. Noir
    Noir
    November 25, 2015 at 12:19 pm

    “NA…rest of the world”
    Sure, EU will totally get the uncensored costume.

  272. Platinal
    Platinal
    November 25, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    Guess I’ll just keep waiting for Black Desert Online and hope they don’t fuck up like this.

  273. Rajiv
    Rajiv
    November 25, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    Hope the EU won’t get censored like this

  274. Rajiv
    Rajiv
    November 25, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    Hope the EU version won’t get censored like this.

  275. msoltyspl
    msoltyspl
    November 25, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    Well, looking at everything in bigger perspective I think we’re barking the wrong tree. They were /specifically/ hired by NC to do what they did – make it socially/politically correct (so NA-ish), more simple with clean black and white hero/villian distinction (again, so NA-ish).

    IMHO, the decision makers in NA are to blame. After all there was little-to-nothing to translate to begin with, besides grammar/interpunction/etc. They (bosses) specifically wanted to “appropriately” dumb it down.

  276. DoDoDo Ro
    DoDoDo Ro
    November 25, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    They claimed that it was “Just a placeholder” voice actress after threads kept popping up about her voice.

  277. DoDoDo Ro
    DoDoDo Ro
    November 25, 2015 at 6:26 pm

    From one of the localization team’s linkedin page:

    “Transformed rough translations into polished English copy worthy of a native audience. Revised all textual content within the game for quality, including the renaming of items, locations, monsters and UI elements.”

    “Re-envisioned plot elements, quests and dialogue to better suit and entertain a western audience, without straying from the original vision of the product narrative. Adapted and explained foreign cultural elements. Replaced insensitive and culturally inappropriate content. Provided QA services such as the identification of problematic materials and implementation testing of content specific to western release.”

  278. DoDoDo Ro
    DoDoDo Ro
    November 25, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    People like him should be fired for injecting personal beliefs and political bullshit where it doesn’t belong.

  279. ShadowDivz
    ShadowDivz
    November 25, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    Woah. That was a bit much, no?

  280. ShadowDivz
    ShadowDivz
    November 25, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    I hate when studios do that.

    Translate it literally, even if it makes no sense.
    Or
    Rack your brain to find an approriate proverb.

    It completely ruins dialogue for me when i read a “LOL GIT GUD.” or “it’s over 9000” meme.

  281. ShadowDivz
    ShadowDivz
    November 25, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    Let’s not forget, words can hurt feelings.
    So let’s all sing the friendship song.

  282. ShadowDivz
    ShadowDivz
    November 25, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    With the media the news the way it is, just looking to shit on video games, removing the ages wasn’t to bad. (Can’t have them lolis in the west. even though 16+ is the age of consent in alot of places)

    But atleast XSEED kept all the innuendos and girls love in there.
    This, is insulting.

  283. ShadowDivz
    ShadowDivz
    November 25, 2015 at 7:06 pm

    This. So much.

  284. ShadowDivz
    ShadowDivz
    November 25, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Thank god.

    I was worried that after becoming an adult, i’d have to worry about making my own choices based on what i personally found acceptable.

  285. ShadowDivz
    ShadowDivz
    November 25, 2015 at 7:20 pm

    It baffles me when companies do this.
    Censorship to appeal to a broader audiences.

    People who are not into anime aesthetics aren’t going to say “Well, they blurred out the boobs, so now i’m totally interested in this”.

    Just like adding anime characters to football helmets isn’t going to get me interested in sports.

  286. RioSine
    RioSine
    November 25, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    This is not even censouring This is outright sabotage. did the devs contracted ISIS to localize their stuff?

  287. Ultim8_Alchemist
    Ultim8_Alchemist
    November 25, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    Any more updates on whether this affects the European version? I’m from Australia so I am assuming that the European will be the go to region for us

  288. X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    November 26, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    They removed the lingerie so players could better see the bodies of their characters when in character customization.

    Players were thankful to finally be able to better see the body of their characters as they worked with the body sliders. The NA community admitted they would miss the lingerie & requested that it be sold in IM since many liked them, and it was understandable why it was removed in the first place.

    NCsoft did not lie or technically lie about them not censoring the costumes so relax people. No need to try to make things sound worse then they are.

  289. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 26, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    They changed “problematic” quest lines and text in order to make a safe space in the game = censorship.
    They dumbed down the storyline because thy felt the west could not grasp a complex story = botched translation
    They never specifically said art assets only. they lied.

  290. X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    November 26, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    The article says at the end: {It’s worrying when NCSOFT previously said they would never censor the western version of the game, only to now hear them say “Oh, we only meant costumes, we’ll never censor costumes.” They slightly lied in this case as well, with the removal of lingerie (as clothing), instead putting them behind a paywall}

    I am saying no they didn’t technically lie about the clothes. Nothing has been censored for them.

  291. X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    November 26, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    Anyone familiar with asian culture knows about the legend they used in this game for the nymphs. Men have always viewed women as mere objects. It was just more acceptable back then. So the story is historically accurate to portray a NPC in that way. Even in this day most people both male and females are like him. However we just deal with them in the real world. Likewise, in a game, you will meet deplorable NPC’s, it makes the story come to life especially since many people deal with these sort of people everyday at work.

    It really doesn’t make any sense. Especially since the story of B&S is praised so much (and for once it wasn’t because of violence & sex.) But more so that your character wasn’t perfect and neither was the world. No one was 100% pure evil or good.

    Also I am sick of 90% of everything that touches the NA market being reduced to some sort of comedy act.

  292. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 26, 2015 at 11:59 pm

    What they did to the quests was censorship.

  293. X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    November 27, 2015 at 2:31 am

    I was just explaining that my 1st post was only pertaining to the outfits, not the actual quest. People have been complaining about the outfits as well and I am clearing up the situation of the outfits. That was all.

  294. X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    X_disqus_g1VQbJszhQ
    November 27, 2015 at 10:19 am

    No it would not have. All they had to do was have the NPC mention the legend (insert the stealing clothes legend like normal) and at the end have him learn a lesson about being a womanizer being bad. That is how you adjust things to fit into cultures without completely rewriting everything.

    People are NOT MAD that changes were made, people ARE MAD because the changes are stupid. Its like removing black slavery in America from a history book explaining what it was like to be a black slave in America. In ancient Asia men held women in lower regard (even Disney Mulan had enough common sense to mention the sexist ways of her time, & Mulan is rated E.) B&S is rated M+ and is based in a historical world where women are oppressed, but the ENTIRE scene has to be changed because? It surely isn’t due to age concerns. It might offend someone? Who is it offending? So far, both scenes that had men acting sexist got what was coming to them for being so narrow minded, so who was going to be offended?

  295. bgrunge
    bgrunge
    November 27, 2015 at 10:47 am

    The funimation dub for Shin-Chan is HILARIOUS. Much better than the straight translation, IMO- but a lot of that is because of the explicit addition of all the extremely non-PC jokes in that dub. Can’t even imagine them doing anything like that now. It’s sad how much can change in 10 years.

  296. Pierre Adriaan Du Plessis
    Pierre Adriaan Du Plessis
    November 28, 2015 at 1:14 am

    This is not what I meant when I say SJW should make their own games. This is not making their own games. This is changing other people’s games. WHY DO eastern developers employ SJW companies for localization. WHY? Right now I don’t even feel like buying the game anymore. (That original quest was pretty funny to me)

  297. A Real Libertarian
    A Real Libertarian
    November 28, 2015 at 5:36 am

    Funimation version:
    ‘Oh you’re not one of those gamergate losers?!’

    It was “GamerGate creepshows”, because all of Funimation’s writers were cryogenically frozen back in the 50s and were only recently thawed out.

  298. JP
    JP
    November 30, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    None of the costumes are censored in the game. i played the beta stop spreading random bullshit. the costume in the other version is in the game but not as a starter outfit and i saw someone wearing it the other day in CBT

    people are too dumb to believe everything.

  299. John Smith
    John Smith
    November 30, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    You do know that censorship applies to more than art assets right? as in storyline has been sanitized so that it doesn’t trigger some rando that will never play the game

  300. anon9370
    anon9370
    December 7, 2015 at 12:26 pm

    What a load of shit. NCSoft needs to fire those assholes for disrespecting the source material, and redo the localization.

  301. anon9370
    anon9370
    December 7, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    Seriously. There should be a questionaire for potential localization staff: “Are you a progressive?”. If the box was checked, in the fucking trash can it goes.

  302. anon9370
    anon9370
    December 7, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    “that retained the core feel of the game’s universe”

    What a brazen lie lol.

  303. anon9370
    anon9370
    December 7, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    They’re literally fucking cancer.

  304. JP
    JP
    December 7, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    Yep i know. They are censoring some quest lines and some english text but in the end does that really matters?

    these kind of article spread misinformation to new people who will lead them to think all costumes will be censored in game hence thats the reason why i posted here.

    in a nutshell-
    costumes won’t be censored as stated in official forum and stream

    text will be altered to fit western audience

  305. John Smith
    John Smith
    December 7, 2015 at 3:42 pm

    In a nutshell the official statement was that there would be no censorship.

    This changed when it came to light that their localizers would be pushing their political agendas while dumbing down the story for western audiences.

    They lied.

    While costumes are currently uncensored, NCsoft has a history of censoring their games in the west and potential spenders should be made aware when spending money on NCsoft games.

  306. Shika_Suzuki
    Shika_Suzuki
    December 9, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Ikr!It was the same and they didn’t care.This is so stupid.They made othe changes in the plot too and they don’t even have a reason for it.

  307. Shika_Suzuki
    Shika_Suzuki
    December 9, 2015 at 11:49 am

    I am not going to play this if i see the dialogs changed.I will play the Japanese ver. and that wouldn’t be good for you Ncsoft.I don’t want my char to be a ”hero” or the bad npcs to be cartoonish evil type.

  308. King
    King
    January 6, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    I find it retarded that NCsoft would willingly change a proven working business model because some feminazis got offended

  309. King
    King
    January 6, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    I just sent an email telling NCsoft to fire these people before they destroy the company. Maybe with enough attention they’ll kick them out

  310. Kraken
    Kraken
    January 11, 2016 at 11:49 am

    why are most professional localization teams such garbage? people like this are why i dont play as many Japanese games as i would like to.

  311. Kafka Dev
    Kafka Dev
    January 15, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    Lucky the feminist are busy here and not Germany Cologne.. you could get hurt there.

  312. Doolio
    Doolio
    January 16, 2016 at 12:27 pm

    I only recently found out about this. I’ll post a comment I wrote on a youtube vide:

    hey seemed pretty adamant about it. If they were about to censor it, why would they chest thump about not doing it? If I were them at the time, I would kept my mouth shut wisely.
    And really, regardless of “I want my womyn sexez” notion (which is a non-argument in the first place), this is devastating. No, not for the game, for the… world? It may sound too melodramatic, but this is insane.
    And I am not even saying that because I have a binary “no no” opinion about censorship in general, but because when we look at the censored content, it’s… it’s just unfathomable how and why would someone censor THAT.

    I can on top of my head remember about 5 WESTERN folklore notions/tales/beliefs/stories/fairytales that revolve around stealing female (human, fairy, dryad etc) clothes in order to “bind” said female to a male that’s doing the stealing. It’s not a “trope”. If you go and study any related field (anthropology, psychology, mythology, phylosophy etc), you’ll probably not only encounter the notion, but probably be REQUIRED to discuss it, learn it etc.

    And since when is the artistic expression a product similar to, I don’t know, slippers or food in that regard? Cultural adjustment? What the fuck is that, really?
    So, if I’m going to translate Anna Karenina to, say, japanese, I should replace carpets, candles and silverware with tatami mats, paper lanterns and chopsticks? And horce races with, I don’t know, sumo wrestling? And the train scene with maybe a metro scene?
    Do they not find it insulting to the both creators and the audience to alter a material like that? Like I said, it’s not some utility, it’s someone’s expression, not unlike a novel or a painting, only it’s combined and interactive. Is this not saying that potential players are that dumb, immature and narrow that they can’t fathom that there’s no mcdonalds in ancient fantasy asian setting? Or that there won’t be fan service in a game that relies on provocative costumes and sexy models, among other things?

    Where is the limit to this?

    And, oh, if some quest is “culturally incompatible” or whatever, how about this?
    http://i.imgur.com/maOg8wJ.jpg

    Is the lower picture somehow culturally unfathomable for western audience? I don’t know about others but to me, lower picture actually seems more recognizable and in tune with itself with VERY western posing and cothes. Upper one seems a bit awkward and strange, to say the least.
    So, what happened there? How come that we got a change that goes FURTHER away from “western xyz” in the name of cultural adaptation?

    This is devastating above all limits. And no, not because of what everybody instantly thinks, but because of the principle and the bigger picture. It would be devastating if it were the other way around too.
    This is a big blow for me and everytime I start the game I have a bitter taste in my mouth, even though in practice of course, it doesn’t affect the gameplay, but the glooming notion resides. And even though I love the game and probably will continue to play it, looking at the bigger picture, it would be better if we didn’t get the “western yay” version at all. And if somehow Hyung Tae Kim and the whole designing team, writers, animators, modelers etc. had more influence/engagement with the whole IP and if they somehow withdrew the licence at the first sign of product slaughtering.

    This should be punishable – I know, I know, I bark at stars and IP’s are getting licenced and people get contracts what can and cannot do with them etc.
    But really, it should be illegal to tamper with what’s basically an art form (and I don’t mean in some romantic “I luv vidyagamez” sense, but in a very technical sense, there’s writing, visual arts, cinema etc) and still present it as the same product.
    If I want to make an exhibition in Beijing with Mona Lisa as the main piece, I won’t fucking paint a straw hat over the original because it would be more culturally acceptable and the audience would feel more “at home”. They didn’t come to the exhibition to feel like home, they came to see Leonardo’s Mona Lisa. His. Painting. As he painted it and imagined it. FOR WHATEVER REASON.

    This is… Really, it saddens me that constantly nothing is being done about these things. They become more and more overt and blunt and there’s never a critical mass to do something about it. Don’t people realize that the concept has nothing to do with boobs and whatnot? And that tomorrow it will be something they find valuable? Can’t people look past “I like it” or “I don’t like it” and see the terrible connotations a concept has?

  313. Galbador
    Galbador
    January 18, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    I planned to play this game, but I don’t support censorship. I’m done with NCSoft

  314. Al Masters
    Al Masters
    January 23, 2016 at 10:55 am

    NCSOFT chose the right step by placing their sexy outfits behind a paywall because of the silly reports their getting regarding the characters sexylicious sprite when wearing certain attires. NCSOFT didn’t lie; they wanted to accommodate more genetic reports.

    This misogynistic issue is only spamming their reports because women (and a few sensitive feminine males) didn’t get the male version in “Blade & Soul”. Women disliking men in a story-line during the game probably wouldn’t even bring more then ten reports to NCSOFT attention; or, having both versions present in the game with the same level of fun within this side-quest may have not be so alerting through meme craziness.

    The localization Team should delete silly notions from none intelligent people from their forums. All of them don’ t even know the hard-work it takes to even consider the choices the Team is making. And some of these silly forum spammers are probably just trolling for fun.

    Even people on the NCSOFT Team shouldn’t complain. They should be supporting each others efforts and most all support the game period.

    “Blade & Soul” is a fictitious realm of enjoyable entertainment beyond our wildest fascinations. People need to take professional higher-learning courses in maturity, health, human anatomy, actuality, sexualization of women & men, etc, etc. GROW UP AMERICA! Quit sugar coating everything.

  315. 島風
    島風
    January 24, 2016 at 8:37 am

    Fuck the ever living shit out of whatever first-world moron decided to do that.
    The original quest sounds funny and shows some originality and balls while the new one is just stupid westernized garbage for people who need to step outside and taste harsh reality.

    They need to be out of a job. How awful to ruin someone’s writing work in such a way.

  316. Kenjiru
    Kenjiru
    January 25, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    I can confirm that this censoring also affects the European version…

    I find it laughable.

    They rate the game M for mature, yet they censor it to pieces, thinking that “oh, they’re westerners, they can’t possibly handle, seeing nipples, asses, and last but not least, underwear and skimpy looking costumes!”…

  317. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    January 26, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    So, I read about the bit about them editing that quest, and I was like, “And that’s a bad thing… why?” Not saying I’d play this, but if I were I’d rather not have to abstain from completing certain quests due to moral objections.

    I’m also uncertain what the problem with the hero being “a strict hero archetype, with no moral ambiguity or failures.” Moral ambiguity is only fun if you have a goddamn choice about it. I am, for the moment, assuming this is one of those games that gives you little to no choice in dialogue options, at least ones that matter, and while I never like that in general, it’s rather irritating to watch your character do something stupid or just be a dick for no reason.

    That being said, if it was just that one quest I’d probably be fine with it, but there is a point where it just seems prudish. I don’t think the Japanese are masters of script-writing, and I have seen scripts for games and anime that were improved in the English translation, but it’s a big risk and I still think they’re going overboard. Especially with the costume stuff, that seems unnecessary.

  318. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    January 26, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    Never heard leftists talk that way, but I’ve heard “rightists” talk about “leftists” as though they’re some kind of Soviet Nazi without realizing how stupid that sounds.

    Also, speaking as a left-center (I used to consider myself full-left, but apparently if you say that now some people think you’re a freakin’ anarchist SJW feminist-that-isn’t-actually-feminist), living in middle America, with a good number of liberal friends in my immediate vicinity, I thought I’d stand here as a contradiction to that whole statement of yours.

  319. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    January 26, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    Yeah, sure, just reject someone for their political views and no other reason, I’m sure THAT will solve the censorship issue! Besides, at least in America, conservatives tend to be MORE prudish.

    Also, is that even legal?

  320. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    January 26, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    I dunno, I’ve seen a bunch of literal translations that just end up stupid. Kind of hard to put footnotes in game dialogue, after all. I’d like to think there’s more options than that, though.

    I’d still prefer a literal translation to memes, though.

  321. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    January 26, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    I dunno, the original just sounds rather tasteless and trashy, with its only saving grace being that the quest-giver indirectly gets himself forcibly married.

    Also, just because something has “balls” doesn’t make it good. Same with originality, although I dunno how that quest shows originality. I’d bet money there’s at least a dozen parallels in anime and eastern games.

  322. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    January 26, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    After the actions of people like Clementine Ford, their despicable tactics used against Brenden Eich, the disgusting, lying slander campaign used against Tim Hunt, the now common tactic of leftist operatives uploading stashes of kiddie porn to opposition comment sections to get their whole webhost polled, and on and on and on..

    After ther brazen classification of every rifle on the planet as “assault weapons” and introduction of no less than half a dozen bills across the country, and the way they rammed a magazine limit through the colorado legislature.

    I have nothing more to say. You’re either for sanity, human decency, or human rights, or for the left.

  323. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    January 26, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    Or you can be for Daesh. They’re for none of those things, and are quite right-wing.

    You could also find liberals with valid (in their minds) grudges against conservatives, and they could in all honesty say that “You’re either for sanity, human decency, or human rights, or for the right.” It doesn’t make either of you right.

    For everything I’ve seen posted by conservatives about liberals, I would not have to look hard to find conservatives doing that same thing. There’s lunatics on both sides. Your side is not pure, their side is not demonic. Thinking that way doesn’t help the problem at all, it just contributes to the polarization of America and the world. If both sides start thinking the other side is completely insane, I wonder how long it’ll take for them to give up on talk and turn to war.

  324. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    January 26, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    their side is not demonic

    When McCarthy pulled this crap in 1955, The republican party recoiled in horror and his reign of terror was swiftly quashed.

    The left’s so-called “fringe” is doing it now and their establishment and rank and file are lining up behind them and cheering their witch-hunting mob tactics and orwellian media control.

    It’s clear their side IS demonic, and it’s clear the right is not, which is why I switched sides. The injustice is despicable.

  325. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    January 26, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    I’m curious as to which major liberal politicians actually advocate this so-called “witch hunting.” I’ve heard nothing about it. Lots of witch-hunting coming from the very far-right, though. Just look at Trump.

    Meanwhile, with McCarthy, both parties went against McCarthy, especially since McCarthy was Republican and often spoke of Democrats as being communist sympathizers. Indeed, when the vote came to censure McCarthy, the Republicans were split but the Democrats voted unanimously to condemn him. Don’t act like the Republicans worked against him all on their lonesome. And both parties stood for very different things back then, so don’t act like they’re the same Republicans we have today.

  326. plasmacutter
    plasmacutter
    January 27, 2016 at 12:08 am

    Alondra Cano — Doxed own constituents who wrote to her complalining about her joining BLM protests which were disrupting her own district.

    Catherine Clark — Used her official congress twitter account to pressure the platform into removing an app popular among teens because the busybody wanted “safe space”, also attempted to sick the FBI on gamers at the behest of Brianna Wu.

    etc.. etc..

  327. Ben Wilson
    Ben Wilson
    January 27, 2016 at 1:08 am

    No they have changed multiple quests there are two quests in the starting area that have been altered

  328. Ruiqi Guo
    Ruiqi Guo
    January 27, 2016 at 1:24 am

    Making promise then changing the deal? Hitler and Vader would be very proud. Seriously Ncsoft West, please change it back.

  329. Patrick Greene
    Patrick Greene
    January 27, 2016 at 7:42 am

    I disagree with any form of censorship in video games, movies, television, anything.

  330. 島風
    島風
    January 27, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    Fuck the ever living shit out of whatever first-world moron decided to do that.

    The original quest sounds funny and shows some originality and balls while the new one is just stupid westernized garbage for people who need to step outside and taste harsh reality.

    They need to be out of a job. How awful to ruin someone’s writing work in such a way.

  331. 島風
    島風
    January 27, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    Good for you?~

    I can bet that you are not from my culture to be saying things like that. It is tasteless and trashy to do what they did to game. I could as easily speak that I think women from west look and act trashy, but that does not mean that they should be forced to act or dress differently to please.

    Nobody said being risky made it good, but back handed censorship, forced politic, and ‘memes’ are your preference maybe. w

  332. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    January 27, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    I dunno, are women okay with men peeping on them in your culture or men trying to force them to marry them in your culture? Or is it something that everyone laughs about until it happens to them?

    Also, none of those things you listed are my preference, never said they were. I certainly don’t agree with everything these localizers are doing, but I’m not going to cry any tears over them changing that quest.

  333. anon9370
    anon9370
    January 27, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    Are you fucking kidding me? Conservatives don’t care if there are girls with big tits in video games and never have. They could give a shit less whether a female character in a video game or comic book is “objectified”. It’s all the socialist / SJW types that have a problem with it.

  334. Fuz
    Fuz
    January 28, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    A petition would have worked better

  335. Dee Jay
    Dee Jay
    February 1, 2016 at 2:03 am

    Remember 4k!ids and their “localization” of various anime? Just give me by damn rice ball and stop with all this donut shit.

  336. Dee Jay
    Dee Jay
    February 1, 2016 at 2:05 am

    Also I just want to add that, in a way, this is pretty damn racist. They’re basically saying that the original KR version is somehow inferior and that their sensibilities need to be adjusted before it can come out of their country. Like “Oh you savage Koreans and your backwards traditions. Don’t worry: we’ll fix your game’s story for you.”

  337. James Nino
    James Nino
    February 4, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    You all seem to conveniently forget that McCarthy was proven right afterwards. Almost 100% right.

    McCarthy is literally the perfect example of “leadership” making the wrong decisions to appease the PC.

    And thats the thing about moral judgements. Hes only a horrible person if hes wrong.

  338. Pinkk
    Pinkk
    February 19, 2016 at 3:51 am

    So, you mean, the same as they would treat you, if you said you were fully right? :p

    Truth is, both sides suck :p

  339. Meexa
    Meexa
    March 25, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    Not buying/playing this game at all, until they decide to reverse the censorship.

  340. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    April 4, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Eh, I won’t disagree with that. Nowadays I just try and avoid labels.

  341. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    April 4, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    WTF? 100% right about WHAT? In his witch-hunts he only produced a single name with any validity. If you mean about there being spies in the US, that would be entirely coincidental, and his actions did no good at all.

  342. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    April 4, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    “They could give a shit less whether a female character in a video game or comic book is “objectified”.”

    So in other words they don’t care about sexism in media, but take away the -ism and they raise such a fuss.

  343. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    April 4, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    I could have sworn I replied to this. Anyway, the gist of it was this: “Is it socially acceptable in your culture to invade women’s privacy without their consent, then?” There isn’t really a comparison in the way Western women dress and act “trashy” (whatever that means to you.)

  344. James Nino
    James Nino
    April 4, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    obviously you’re coming from an uninformed view with not background research or knowledge on the subject and ranting based on nothing.

    Come back after you’ve read over the declassifed documents and papers written about the subject.

    Just google the Venona project. Its one drop in the ocean but its a good place to start.

    Once you actually have an educated opinion feel free to try again.

  345. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    April 4, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    Perhaps you should point them out. A first glance finds writing of debated validity. And that still doesn’t change the fact that McCarthy proved nothing in his lifetime and did much more harm than good.

    Being right doesn’t always matter. What matters is whether you can prove you’re right, which McCarthy didn’t. And what also matters is what you do about it.

  346. James Nino
    James Nino
    April 4, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    “Being right doesnt always matter”

    annnnd we’re done here.

  347. Justin Dugas
    Justin Dugas
    May 27, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    I see you’re not familiar with politics, psychology, science, media… pretty much reality, really.

  348. Daniel DalCanto (longboardingt
    Daniel DalCanto (longboardingt
    June 12, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    PLEASE someone tell me what outfit is being shown on the bottom half of that picture. I have to know.

  349. John Smith
    John Smith
    June 13, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    That was the underwear for gon female, it was removed when it was censored. no idea if it ever became an actual outfit i never played the game

  350. nobitakun
    nobitakun
    July 8, 2016 at 6:12 am

    What I do not really understand is why stupid europe has to follow america in these stupid things. Europe should break these crazy rules of localization order or whatever it is called, releasing the games by itself directly from japan without the nonsense rules of american companies. I really feel shame being european. Those problems wouldn’t occur if we managed our own videogame rules (at least not like in only-politics-and-mothers-count country like US).

    I depise politicians but those mothers as well, damn mothers who want to protect their children by censoring everything till their only road to life is the same what those f***ing mothers think. I don’t think like you silly mother and I will never, and I will educate my children without any censorship and teach them to despise YOU, who censor their children.