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Nintendo Censors Lewd Costumes from Adult-Horror Game Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water

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It probably surprises no one, however, the North American and European release of Koei Tecmo’s Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water on Wii U has received a bit of censorship.

The game launched in Japan on September 27th of last year, and it had lots of extra costumes that you could unlock for the girls in-game. Some of these costumes involved bikinis, lingerie, and more. You can see an example of the bikini costumes above.

While the North American release has most definitely seen these costumes removed, it remains unclear if the European release has truly seen them removed as reviews from European outlets are saying both versions of the story. To quote the Nintendo World Report:

“Those who are familiar with the Japanese versions of this series will also know that unlockable costumes usually include bikinis for the main female cast. I’m sad to say that, just like in the English release of Fatal Frame 2 on Wii, the bikini content is also removed from this game. This censorship seems silly for a game rated as Mature 17+ by the ESRB, but it certainly doesn’t detract from the overall experience of the game, and there’s plenty of other post-game bonus content to discover.”

It’s worth mentioning that Koei Tecmo has previously gone on the record to say they wanted to design costumes that looked sexy when wet – hence the return of unlockable bikini and lingerie costumes.

What do you guys think? Is it incredibly dumb to remove and or censor material in a mature-rated game, which is intended for adults in the first place?

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354 comments
  1. Loli-Nox-Tan
    Loli-Nox-Tan
    October 19, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    Tbh I think the Zero Suit costume is a lot worse that most cut from the NOA release. (Been hearing the NOE release is uncut)

  2. Lugz
    Lugz
    October 19, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    >_<

  3. Touma Kazusa
    Touma Kazusa
    October 19, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    Well hey did the same to Deep Crimson Butterfly, so I’m not surprised to see them do the same with this one. Sucks that the Wii U is region locked, I’d import the japanese version instead.

  4. Brimfyre
    Brimfyre
    October 19, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    It’s wishful thinking from people in Europe. The original Costume Trailer was from NoE not NoA. There are the same amount of costume slots in both versions. They are cut.

  5. eltonBorges
    eltonBorges
    October 19, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    Digital only, and censored. Well, are people sure no story content were removed/changed, that it was just the costumes?

  6. Lugz
    Lugz
    October 19, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    *Raises glass* Here’s to you Nintendo of america, SUCKING MY DICK!

  7. Lorne
    Lorne
    October 19, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    This is definitely in poor taste. The game was rated M to begin with, so there is no reason to censor this kind of material. NoA has already gotten a bit of flack for not having a limited physical release like Europe. A questionable decision like this just increases that bad relationship.

  8. Anderino
    Anderino
    October 19, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    Another reason for me not to buy it. I was excited to get it translated at first, but being digital only in the Americas and having content removed makes it a no go. Especially when this is a 17+ rated game that almost every store will refuse to sell to people under that age.

    Make sure to communicate with NoA about WHY you aren’t buying it if you are someone who changed their mind. They need to know it’s because of censorship and digital only release otherwise they’ll just assume it’s becauae of low interest.

  9. Loli-Nox-Tan
    Loli-Nox-Tan
    October 19, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    Well with a Wii U emulator in the works you’ll be able to mod them back in ………… in about 7 years

  10. Revlofantasy
    Revlofantasy
    October 19, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    Guess I’ll be playing the Euro version, then.

  11. Stephen Harding
    Stephen Harding
    October 19, 2015 at 6:26 pm

    God forbid if porn exists of any Nintendo character, that’ll be the day.

  12. Loli-Nox-Tan
    Loli-Nox-Tan
    October 19, 2015 at 6:26 pm

    Costumes like these make no difference to me anyway but it sucks for the people who do like them

  13. BaronKrause
    BaronKrause
    October 19, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    Something is seriously wrong with a company when the North American branch of the same Japanese company that made it censors something they weren’t forced to.

  14. Touma Kazusa
    Touma Kazusa
    October 19, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    btw, how old is the main character supposed to be? iirc PZ2:Wii was censored because the protagonists were underaged (which is stupid, it’s not like there’s any sexual content) why not just increase their age in the localization and not touch the content? it’s still censorship in a way but it’s does less damage.

  15. Loli-Nox-Tan
    Loli-Nox-Tan
    October 19, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    Same branch of people who made a dig at the people who keep asking for Mother 3 during E3. I thought it was kinda funny though

  16. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 19, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    Probably gonna be a pretty unpopular sentiment but what even is the point of having this stuff in a horror game to begin with? It makes no sense contextually or tonally and is just pointless. I know people say this about a lot of things and are usually wrong but this probably was actually just shoved in to try to get sales from the otaku crowd. Who even buys horror games and thinks “yknow what’d make this scarier? Tits”. No one, obviously

    Yes censorship sucks but in this instance there was absolutely no good reason for it to be in the game in the first place. Games like Senran Kagura exist if you wanna look at anime boobs

  17. deadeye
    deadeye
    October 19, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    I get what you mean. I probably would not use these costumes anyways. But it’s still something the developers wanted in the game. Their design choices should be respected.

  18. SadamBober
    SadamBober
    October 19, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    I always want to look at anime boobs tbh

  19. Brimfyre
    Brimfyre
    October 19, 2015 at 6:39 pm

    Me neither because you have to play the game 4 times over to even get them, which I will only play once.

    On principal alone it’s Nintendo of Europe and America seeing their audience as nothing but children, even on their M rated games, that they have to babysit and protect. So. sick. of. it.

    And honestly, as much as I love Samus, those costumes look fucking stupid in a horror game. Girls running around in their underware is pretty much a staple of horror. It actually has a point of reference in the genre the game is in. Silly costumes from other franchises is just NoA being their usual out of touch, fucked in the head goofy selves.

  20. Ms_Fortune
    Ms_Fortune
    October 19, 2015 at 6:39 pm

    Into the trash it goes.

  21. ReaperX30
    ReaperX30
    October 19, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    Another stupid move by Nintendo….wow…that’s a newsflash! I might get this later to actually have a use for my Wii U but with Halo 5, Fallout 4, Sword Coast Legends and more coming I might also forget about it.

  22. sanic
    sanic
    October 19, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    Digital and censored? Times like these I wonder why I bother with nintendo.

  23. Johnathan Rodriguez
    Johnathan Rodriguez
    October 19, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    So Nintendo has acknowledged that even their mature fanbase are nintenyearolds.

  24. Azure
    Azure
    October 19, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    Well it means no sale. You take content out that’s available in another region, for what reason should we pay full price for a game that puritans without a sense or knowledge of ‘fun’ with content cut out of it. No one should pay for a faulty product.

    Do the costumes unlock unrated sex scenes with ghosts? No? Then keep the fucking stuff in. Stop ruining the game developers vision of the game.

    I’m actually really missing the days where Game in the UK actually sold Hentai for the PSP. How far we’ve backtracked.

  25. amc99
    amc99
    October 19, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    Its not like this game is for kids, so why the heck they are censoring it?

    Sigh, I try to get my hope up but FE fates will MOST probably censored HEAVILY in north america, both in TEXT and in-game Images/minigames

  26. Domhnall
    Domhnall
    October 19, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    Most probably?

    With that ruckus raised about that “problematic” support conversation and how much attention it got in the usual crowds, bump that up to a “most definitely.”

  27. Azure
    Azure
    October 19, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    Its a Game… you know what a game is? Entertainment.

    Unlocking stuff is fun, playing the game again in unusual costumes is fun therefore entertainment. Why should a game have to be 100% contextualized when its purpose is to be entertaining.

  28. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    October 19, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    Of course, because in the West, violence and mature plots are meaningless. Bikinis and sexy clothes are super serious business~.

  29. amc99
    amc99
    October 19, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    Yeah, kinda sad that it will get to that point.. I can still handle the mild censorship of Awakening, but I think I wont be buying fates if they censored it heavily… not to mention there are 3 games that I need to pay to have a full experience. There’s no way I am gonna pay 3 times for something that will be censored

  30. Reon
    Reon
    October 19, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    People were calling this one out when NOA showed the random zelda and samus costumes.
    They were sadly right.

    Seriously, Nintendo butchering a game again.
    When will this stop?
    They deserve to be on the list of worst localization companies, not as high as NISA because at least they don’t introduce bugs, but still up there.
    This also fuels the argument against Nintendo’s pro regional restriction stance.
    They’re still the only company that openly promotes having games locked into a region so they cannot be imported digitally or retail in any way.
    I can’t say I was going to buy this but if I were, I wouldn’t anymore.

  31. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    October 19, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    Makes you wonder if the upcoming FE games will get censored. If they don’t, then they are just hypocrites~.

    Mind you, not that I want them to censor them. Just saying, if they don’t, then it’s a bloody double standard~.

  32. Reon
    Reon
    October 19, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    It’s like they enjoy propagating the notion that Nintendo only cares about the kiddy baby and soccermom markets.

  33. Firion Hope
    Firion Hope
    October 19, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    It’s a horror staple to unlock random different costumes for new game plus. Like Resident Evil. Besides there’s not really any point in any costumes ever using that logic.

  34. Zizal
    Zizal
    October 19, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    The problem with FE isn’t just censoring T&A. They change entire dialogues and character personalities so you are basically playing different game. That’s why I won’t get Xenoblade X. The garbage 8-4 will help in the localization.

  35. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 19, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    RIOT!

  36. VanFinale
    VanFinale
    October 19, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    Well I guess Nintendo continues their streak of refusing my money nice to know I’m a wanted customer.

  37. Juhata
    Juhata
    October 19, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    If it doesn’t detract from the overall experience, then why remove it if it doesn’t bother the game at all? It won’t change the game’s rating from M to T so why even bother

    I’m not that outraged about this removal but the reasoning behind it is retarded. When will companies start treating M-rated games as actual M-rated games instead of glorified T-rated games with blood and some boob shots? We’re grown ups, we can handle this shit.

  38. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Next game to be censored will be Xenoblade X,Nintendo keeps butchering games.This is why i don’t feel sorry that Nintendo flops,they deserve all they get.

  39. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 19, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    At least it’s only an age so far but then they change shit that deal with the story too.

  40. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    They shouldnt touch the games to begin with,localizing and that’s it.And some people wonder why Nintendo has a kiddie image.

  41. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 19, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    No I have no idea what a game is, I stumbled on this site accidentally whilst looking for Christian chat rooms and was completely outraged (see, two can play at sarcasm, sucks that i’m better at it though doesn’t it)

    A little odd that I actually have to justify wanting things to make sense but I know a lot of people think there’s somehow something wrong with not throwing a hissy fit over the loss of some pointless boner bait in video games (like there isn’t an abundance of porn for you to jack off to on the internet anyway)

    I’m sure half the people who make these arguments would be totally pleased if aspects they don’t like (e.g social justice garbage) were cut from a game, so the “censorship is always bad” argument isn’t gonna fly with me. People act in their own self interest. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, it’s human nature. Just chill on the defensive sarcasm

  42. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 19, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    I hope what was said elsewhere was true about Iwata having plans for cracking down on NoA and that it’s written in his plans so that the current head can go through with it.

  43. Grey
    Grey
    October 19, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    It doesn’t matter if the removal of the optional bikini costumes doesn’t detract from the game. What matters is that someone else, without even asking for their approval or opinion, is telling individuals capable of making their own decisions that they are not allowed to have them in the game.

    For no reason, at that. They’re optional costumes. The people who didn’t want to use them never had to in the first place. Yet for the sake of their delicate sensibilities, the content must be removed. Heaven forbid digital characters be shown wearing bikinis more modest and covering than what you can see in abundance at virtually any beach in the world.

    Rubbish.

  44. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    Nintendo:we’ll tell you how much you can handle.

  45. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    Miley Cyrus and other retarded singers wear more provocative stuff on stage and where are the offended puritans there?

  46. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    NOA is doing this without the consent of Nintendo Japan?

  47. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 19, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    As far as I know, NoJ lets them do what they feel would help but NoA been overstepping like crazy and not advertising all the games.

  48. Grey
    Grey
    October 19, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    They exist, though they’re usually of the religious or ‘concerned mother’ variety. Separate groups of would-be moral guardians from those mucking around in video games.

  49. Juanalf
    Juanalf
    October 19, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Sorry Nintendo but I don’t touch censored shit.I didnt get mugen soul z because it was slightly censored and i wont touch this either.

  50. Tsundere Vader
    Tsundere Vader
    October 19, 2015 at 7:38 pm

    “This censorship seems silly for a game rated as Mature 17+ by the ESRB, but it certainly doesn’t detract from the overall experience of the game.” Except you know… you are getting rid of a costume in an M rated game just because it could be viewed by some as “sexy.” Seriously it seems to be Nintendo of America is trying to think of their child audience when releasing AN M RATED GAME in the west. This is just baffling.

  51. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    Hm interesting,thanks for the info.NOA sabotaged this game 100 percent,it’s like they don’t want it to sell.First they bring a niche game digital only,which is a no go for that customer base and then they censor it,kill the sales for good.

  52. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Those bikinis certainly will traumatize children.

  53. Tsundere Vader
    Tsundere Vader
    October 19, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    Oh they certainly would

  54. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 19, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    I never understand ninty now I found it most odd that this game been censored by ninty a adult game I may add.

    But ninty had left the most lewd senran left untouched (uncensored)

    Maybe horror & kinky lewd doesn’t mix well eh ninty. lol ?

  55. ARoltner88
    ARoltner88
    October 19, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    They lost my purchase with this move. Simple as that. I really was looking forward to this game. Oh well.

  56. Steven T.
    Steven T.
    October 19, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    TREEEEEHOOOOUUUUUSE! WHAT, is the MEANING of this buffoonery!

  57. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    Funny how a tiny company like XSEED gets it and a giant like Nintendo doesnt.

  58. Guest
    Guest
    October 19, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Everyone please reach out to Nintendo and tell them you’re not okay with this.

  59. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    I expect their twitter to explode by now from angry fans.

  60. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 19, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    Anita Sarkessian in about 30 years.

  61. Jack
    Jack
    October 19, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    Honestly i’ve begun learning japanese for this reason
    if you’ve read the Henry ‘translation’ for Awakening it’s fucking disgusting
    I hope the petition for Fates keeps it true to the original

  62. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 19, 2015 at 7:57 pm

    Yeah….not surprising. Think this kinda again shows that the Japanese knows not to take sexual things so seriously. While here in the west, particularly in the US and Canada, repress, repress, repress.

  63. Tsundere Vader
    Tsundere Vader
    October 19, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    right now*

  64. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    Yet they claim to be progressive?

  65. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 7:59 pm

    That’s how Anita looks without makeup.

  66. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    October 19, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Ironically enough its not like replacing the bikini’s will do much to appease those who could be offended since they do have the Zero Suit costume which people have also complained about as well with ZSS in Smash 4 and Other M.

  67. SalsaMoose13
    SalsaMoose13
    October 19, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Meanwhile, this is okay…

  68. yggdrasil25
    yggdrasil25
    October 19, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    But we’ve done so much for women in the industry!

  69. Offendatron_5000
    Offendatron_5000
    October 19, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    I’m offended by the rampant stupidity of those involved in both the decision to make this digital and to remove the costumes. People this clueless should be sterilized for the good of society.

  70. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    Based XSEED.

  71. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    October 19, 2015 at 8:08 pm

    Well, considering the upcoming FEs have sexy times, it’s also about that. Honestly, I don’t think some risque costumes are that big of a deal. Seems like a dumb thing to censor, especially since in here we are talking about mature characters [age wise] and there’s no potential lolicon going on. Basically, there’s nothing that could be used even remotely as an excuse for the censorship~.

  72. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 19, 2015 at 8:09 pm

    I’m gonna preface this by stating I wasn’t planning on picking this up, yet the way it’s release is being handled disgusts me as a consumer.

    First off I’ll just say changing the costumes out was terrible, and is a disservice to the fans, who are being told that skimpy clothes is to much in a horror game. This is just one more example of NoA needlessly changing things for culturalization.

    The bigger issue in my opinion, has always been the lack of a physical release, on a system with as little memory as the Wii U. Unless you have an external, which despite their affordability is still lame and serves as one more barrier to play without having to delete other things.

    Both of these combined with Nintendo’s idiotic, and disgusting practice of region locking, takes away the consumers choice to even be able to import the games without spending much more to just play them.

    As I said before, I had no horse in the game as far as a fan of the series, but as a consumer, Nintendo’s actions have not endeared me to them, and I no longer wish to purchase anything or support them as long as they continue on their path. As far as future releases, I don’t trust them to do what is in the best interest of the fans, and if there is a must play game, I’d consider just buying second hand.

    To all those who would get angry claiming I am the reason why more niche titles make it to the west, and that I should just swallow things like this and be thankful, NO, I refuse to pay for something that does not 100% satisfy me, just so I MIGHT have the privilege to spend my hard earned money on an inferior product. I’ll just keep studying Japanese and buy the game that was intended.

  73. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 19, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    Oh god, that was just one big shitfest
    .

  74. Muten
    Muten
    October 19, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    Sucks for the fans.

  75. Cody
    Cody
    October 19, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    Fuck Nintendo. Don’t know why anyone sticks up for them. I’m sick of having people (some younger than me) decide what’s appropriate for ME to see.

  76. deadeye
    deadeye
    October 19, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    What gets me is how some of these things could have just been non-issues.

    I’d be fine with digital only if games were tied to an account rather than the system. Region locking seems like the most pointless thing in the world.

    As for the censorship, it’s almost expected at this point. Nintendo has been censoring games for quite awhile, although they seem to crack down and relax those policies at random. Like, just look at Bayo 2. People were worried that Nintendo was going to kill the sexual aspect of her character, but if anything, they encouraged it.

    Honestly, if it was just any one of these issues, I would stomach it, and think that at least I’d be supporting the developer. It’s really conflicting with these sorts of things because I want to say to the developer “I like this and I want more of this”, but I also want to tell Nintendo that this shit ain’t kosher.

  77. deadeye
    deadeye
    October 19, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    The developers at Nintendo can make some real good games.

    It’s unfortunate that it seems every other department in Nintendo is just the worst.

  78. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    October 19, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    Too bad, this could only be worse if 8-4 was localizing it.

  79. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 19, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    That’s about how I am, if it were just one thing then whatever, but it’s the perfect shitstorm of negatives. I wouldn’t even be mad if Nintendo would just lift region locking and giver their consumers a choice.

  80. H.S
    H.S
    October 19, 2015 at 8:25 pm

    For any Fatal Frame fans or Wii U owners who were excited about this game but are no longer planning on buying the game and/or a Wii U, you need make sure to reach out to Nintendo of America and tell them exactly why you aren’t going to be purchasing it. Otherwise, Nintendo of America will just say “Oh, well obviously there’s no market for horror games in North America!”

  81. Ninjagai
    Ninjagai
    October 19, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    Fucking retarded.

    Ironically, the same people who complain about fanservice will defend actual misogyny like women being forced to wear burkas.

  82. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 19, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    See, now this is the bullshit kind of censorship, because it clearly didn’t effect the rating at all.

    Screw you, Nintendo and Koei.

  83. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 19, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    Nintendo of America doesn’t make games. They’re pretty much the worst.

  84. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 19, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    Sex and horror have been paired in like….half of all horror movies.

  85. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 19, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Yes, don’t play one of the best and only RPGs on the Wii U.

    I’ll be gladly playing it.

  86. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 19, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    Who knows. NOA has been a pile of shit for over a decade now.

  87. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 19, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    I expect them to do nothing, as always. You are not their audience. 6 year olds playing Pokemon on a 2DS are.

  88. TheCheeseMan
    TheCheeseMan
    October 19, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    And nintendo wonders why they aren’t selling more units, things like this…smh.

  89. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    October 19, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    If your game is rated M, and is only available digitally, and is incredibly niche, then censoring it in such a manner is just doing yourself more harm than good.

    I wasn’t going to buy this anyway, I might have been curious about the series but it being digital only already scared me off, but doing this just cemented I won’t ever pick it up. Not only do I think it’s bad from a business perspective, but I also just despise the notion that I should be okay with receiving an inferior product with less content, even if it is something as simple as a costume I’d never wear (or probably even unlock.)

  90. Wedge
    Wedge
    October 19, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    Ah good, now everyone has their excuse to pretend they were totally going to buy the game but now have no interest in it whatsoever.

  91. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    October 19, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    Fates seems like the kind of game that anybody (except more respectable localizers like XSEED) would censor the shit out of, but with NoA probably going for that T rating it’s doomed.

    I refuse to believe it’ll come over untampered until I have proof. At this point it may as well be guilty until proven innocent.

  92. makubexnas
    makubexnas
    October 19, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    yay for playstation.

  93. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 19, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    It seems the EU version is uncensored.

  94. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    October 19, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    Nintendo makes good games.
    Nintendo of America just doesn’t bother giving anything besides Mario and Zelda (outside of surprisingly Splatoon) the respect it deserves.

  95. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 19, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    That’s because they don’t want it to sell.

  96. Breezer
    Breezer
    October 19, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    But I actually was because I liked Fatal Frame 2 ):

  97. Sebastian Mikulec
    Sebastian Mikulec
    October 19, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    NoA continues its relentless effort to make sure that I never buy another piece of hardware from Nintendo ever again. Good job, NoA.

  98. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    October 19, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    “To all those who would get angry claiming I am the reason why more niche
    titles make it to the west, and that I should just swallow things like
    this and be thankful, NO, I refuse to pay for something that does not
    100% satisfy me, just so I MIGHT have the privilege to spend my hard
    earned money on an inferior product.”

    Thank you. I am so sick of tired of people or even worse developers trying to play the “we’re holding future releases hostage so buy this inferior product!” game.

    I don’t play ball. If you can’t do a good job I won’t pay you just in the vain hope you’ll do a good job next time.

  99. BladeRunner
    BladeRunner
    October 19, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    This has me extremely worried for the new Fire Emblem game. I’m pretty much completely covinced now that the game will end up being censored, and quite harshly too. Maybe even to the extent of not being able to marry your protagonist with the siblings.

    I’m going to hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Such a shame…

  100. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 19, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    Yes and half of all horror movies are cheesy garbage so there’s that

  101. Michael Richardson
    Michael Richardson
    October 19, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    It’s annoying, but certainly not a deal breaker. I am incredibly concerned about FE: Fates at this point, however. It’s going to get butchered.

  102. Wheelbarrow
    Wheelbarrow
    October 19, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    Sauce? I’d like this to be true.

  103. disqus_bJmMo9hhNJ
    disqus_bJmMo9hhNJ
    October 19, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    It always starts off small, censoring lewd stuff that further develops an already unhealthy view of sexuality in the west, the next step is ideas themselves.

  104. Reon
    Reon
    October 19, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    They already FUNDED bayonetta 2.
    Nintendo is bizarre and hard to understand.

  105. Reon
    Reon
    October 19, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    I’ll play it myself, I’ll just wait until that WiiU emulator is good enough to run it, then enjoy it without giving them a cent.

  106. Phil F.
    Phil F.
    October 19, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    That random capitalization coupled with whining about shit that doesn’t/shouldn’t matter..

    Chris-chan, is that you?

  107. Sylveria Shini
    Sylveria Shini
    October 19, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    Glad I wasn’t getting it to begin with. This kind of censorship that was unnecessary in regards to avoiding an AO rating, which is the only kind I find acceptable, should not be tolerated.

  108. amc99
    amc99
    October 19, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    who’s chris? And I can whine things that I think is important, if it’s doesn’t concern you then you don’t need to reply me

  109. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 19, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    Actually it’s pretty easy to understand how that can happen. Small companies like XSeed have to keep everyone on the loop precisely because they’re small. Even the smallest guy can have an easier time reaching out to the biggest one if they have something to say. Larger companies have a lot more bureaucracy to go through for a message to reach whoever can make decisions and often times it turns into a game of telephone since the smaller guys rarely get to speak to the big ones directly.

  110. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    October 19, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    Ok, fuck this game. Now, if the game was rated M, why the hell they censored it?

  111. Phil F.
    Phil F.
    October 19, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    “who’s chris”
    smuganimegirl.jpg

  112. Zizal
    Zizal
    October 19, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    Senran Kagura is published by Xseed. This game Published by Shitendo.

  113. Johnny Zwei
    Johnny Zwei
    October 19, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    Actually, I feel like the alternate costumes were fine. Sure, they were showy, but they were in those outfits cause the horror stuff took em by surprised.

    Erm, but that’s me just guessing. But what I can say is that not wearing the proper clothing to the job makes you feel unprepared. So if I were playing the game I’d feel a lot less capable by using those costumes that were cut out.

    Sure, some people might fap to that stuff, but honestly I’m not them. If I were to look for anything of the hentai or porn variety I’d look in the proper places

  114. xXMarionoXx
    xXMarionoXx
    October 19, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    I knew it something was fishy when I saw the Zelda and Samus costumes, those will replace the bikini and lewd costumes. It,s a 17+ Mature in US and PEGI 18 in Europe why censoring it ? To cater to people who still has a taboo about the sexuality that they think it’s the devil ?

  115. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    October 19, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    Into the trash it goes. Guess the Wii U is back down to having absolutely nothing coming out.

    It’s an M rated game. All they had to do was direct anyone who complained to a page explaining ESRB ratings.

  116. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 19, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    That title doesn’t really matter when there’s like, what, 4 RPGs on the console (not counting Virtual Console)?

  117. Nagato
    Nagato
    October 19, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    Or that Nintendo fanboys only buy third party games because there’s Nintendo characters, cameos or costumes in them…

  118. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 19, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    Because screw user accountability, we have to worry about little Johnny seeing evil female skin and not looking at our totally kid-friendly sci-fi skintight blue suits.

    You know, for an M rated game. That a parent shouldn’t buy for a kid if they’re not comfortable with it. This shit has been going on since the 80s and it still sucks.

    I don’t give two shits about this game and this still pisses me off.

  119. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    October 19, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    “This censorship seems silly for a game rated as Mature 17+ by the ESRB, but”

    Then why do it in the first place? I’d get it if this were something like Fire Emblem that’s rated for a somewhat younger audience, but nobody under 17 is even supposed to be able to buy this game. Is it because 17 year olds are still technically minors? Or perhaps Nintendo is aware people buy these games anyway for younger players, and is trying to helicopter parent?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is one reason they’re so pro-regionlocking.

  120. Yabloko Molloco San
    Yabloko Molloco San
    October 19, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    M is the PG13 of video games. To the point that a lot of games obviously marketed to kids (cod et al) are M rated. Seriously the “Rated M for Mature” in trailers is the scarlet letter for me.

  121. Fox Williams
    Fox Williams
    October 19, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    I think we need to create a big hoopla with Nintendo, sending them our objections to this via e-mail, Twitter, etc. Let them know that we don’t want games censored like this, especially when it’s unnecessary given the rating is already high enough for the content to remain.

    Consumer feedback is important and DOES change things. Just recently, feedback led SquareEnix to cancel the Deux Ex “Augment Your Pre-order,” and consumer feedback led to a free DLC expanding on the endings to Mass Effect 3. Never underestimate the power of telling companies your opinion.

    I’ll be letting Nintendo know how I feel through multiple social media outlets. Please do the same.

  122. Yabloko Molloco San
    Yabloko Molloco San
    October 19, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    Idiotic considering the target audience, but not as dumb when you realize most wiiu owners are rabid Zelda fans and a huge chunk of its userbase are kids, all of them starving for new games. It’s like they are zigzagging between their “ditch our old fans and welcome the casuals” approach of the wii days and the apologetic ways post wiiu failure and we all know what casual players after some years of the wii’s launch.

  123. sanic
    sanic
    October 19, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    Even with splatoon we still don’t have the ika musume content japan got which is a bummer.

  124. Ryan Barrett
    Ryan Barrett
    October 19, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    If enough people complain and raise a stink about this, I wonder if it will force N to make a public statement? They’ll probably make up some dumb PR bullshit about how they were trying to “enhance” the game for “Western Audiences.” >_> (facepalm)

  125. Ryan Barrett
    Ryan Barrett
    October 19, 2015 at 11:39 pm

    But that’s just it – that IS okay. It’s art. American society is stuck forever in their puritanical ways. If the console manufacturers actually did allow AO games to be published on their systems, we’d have tons of smut, and then all the puritan parents would scapegoat vidya about how “dirty” and “unethical” everything is. Video games are forever going to be scapegoated. It’s sickening.

  126. Dammage
    Dammage
    October 19, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    Fuck NoA, if I ever get a Wii U I’ll definitely get a Euro version.

  127. Pheria
    Pheria
    October 19, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    Please just let Xseed handle it next time, if at all possible. I don’t usually like horror games and was interested in this one, but Nintendo really managed to screw it up with digital-only + censorship.

  128. Dimitri Monroe
    Dimitri Monroe
    October 19, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    What are you talking about? We’ve had the ika musume costume for awhile now. But yea NOA is pretty terrible..

  129. Tubsiwub
    Tubsiwub
    October 19, 2015 at 11:53 pm

    Nintendo censored the game, didn’t give a physical edition for the states… they just keep on pissing us off.

  130. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    October 19, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    So true, censorship is just yet another reason for it. Now little Timmy can’t ‘accidentally’ get the big bad uncensored version, and mommy won’t have anything to complain about.;)

  131. sanic
    sanic
    October 19, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    If you’re a lying tricker I hate you.

  132. Tubsiwub
    Tubsiwub
    October 20, 2015 at 12:01 am

    We don’t need hentai on the PSP, but these costumes are harmless. NoA sucks serious ass.

  133. tccboss
    tccboss
    October 20, 2015 at 12:02 am

    Seriously what reason do they have to do this. Its not a kids game and as far as I know the characters are not under age. Seriously ya blew it Nintendo.

  134. Ultim8_Alchemist
    Ultim8_Alchemist
    October 20, 2015 at 12:06 am

    So does anyone know if this has been censored in Australia or not? Apologies if this has been answered already… just too many comments to read through.
    Double standards by Nintendo in any case as they have allowed the Senran Kagura series untouched and DOA as well.

  135. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    October 20, 2015 at 12:07 am

    Not buying. Fuck censorship.

  136. DrWawee
    DrWawee
    October 20, 2015 at 12:27 am

    OH FUCK YOU NINTENDO FUCK YOU

    and this is why I boycott Nintendo. They treat us like idiots who’ll buy whatever shit they shovel in our troths.

    (This is the type of comment that gets you banned on siliconera, LONG LIVE Niche Gamer)

  137. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 20, 2015 at 12:30 am

    You guys shouldn’t slander Ms Lovejoy so harshly.

  138. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 20, 2015 at 12:33 am

    Splatoon isn’t surprising, it’s classic Nintendo which is what they like.

  139. Tsundere Vader
    Tsundere Vader
    October 20, 2015 at 12:43 am

    Hhhmm.. suppose this is true, at least she was funny when she was acting overly protective of a group, anita is just dull and boring about it.

  140. Crayll
    Crayll
    October 20, 2015 at 12:45 am

    Welp, guess I can’t buy this. Didn’t even plan on using the costumes (seems like they’d ruin the atmosphere), but I’m fucking tired of companies removing shit for no goddamn reason.

  141. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 20, 2015 at 1:02 am

    I don’t want anyone blaming KoeiTecmo for this when, just last week, we had NoA putting out a mature trailer for a mature horror title under the phrasing “SUPER SPOOPY TRAILER!”

    Nintendo of America has and always will BLOW. Well, at least we get the game.
    and eventually a working emulator

  142. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 20, 2015 at 1:04 am

    If it was only up to KoeiTecmo then the game would be censorship free. There’s no way the same company that happily presented Ar NoSurge without a lick of censorship and also happily puts out the uniquely-aged (in appearance) character of Marie for DoA would then take out bikinis from Fatal Frame.

  143. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 20, 2015 at 1:07 am

    The translation team related to the WiiU Xenoblade spells doom apparently, but that game looks SO GOOD
    SO SO GOOD
    I sincerely hope it’s not ruined and you enjoy it, mate. I hope you enjoy it multiple times over for each of us who can’t play it!

  144. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    October 20, 2015 at 1:16 am

    But rarely do. All they do these days is rehash their old games. Mario Kart 8 was just Mario Kart 7 HD, Smash Bros was just a faster Smash Bros Brawl with no single player value, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is just a rehash of DKC Returns, Zelda A Link Between Worlds was just a half-baked rehash of A Link To The Past. All I’m looking forward to is Xenoblade Chronicles X… and that’s not even developed by Nintendo, just produced/published.

  145. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    October 20, 2015 at 1:27 am

    They’re already hypocrites. They published Bayonetta 2.

  146. Guest
    Guest
    October 20, 2015 at 1:55 am

    It’s the principle of it mostly that pisses people off. The costumes were completely optional rewards for beating the game. People were already free to choose whether or not to use them. A third party went out of their way to make sure that choice wasn’t available to you, and replaced the content they found objectionable with something THEY approved of. Not only that but they removed the fucking jiggle physics, so the models aren’t even as dynamic as they should be.

    I don’t want to play Senran Kagura to compensate for this game getting the sexuality gutted out of it. I want to play this game the way the developers intended it to be.

    A thing exists and I can’t enjoy it the way it was meant to be because someone else thinks I shouldn’t be able to, and that’s fucking infuriating. I don’t care how petty the content was, they have no moral justification to get between the developer and the consumer and decide what we’re allowed to see. Nintendo isn’t my fucking mother and if they want to treat mature consumers like children I’ll keep my money.

    Besides that the costumes they replaced the skimpy shit with are a hundred times more garish. At least they look natural in the underwear and shit, even if it’s a bit ridiculous.

    And no, I wouldn’t be okay with social justice bullshit being censored. Censorship is almost never okay, ESPECIALLY political censorship, that sets a scary fucking precedent. Besides that, I would be deprived of something stupid to make fun of.

    The idea that people just want to jerk off to this shit is fucking awful too. Really? We have the entire internet at our finger tips and you think we’re upset because we can’t jerk it to a 3D model in a bikini? That doesn’t even do anything for me. There’s a world of difference between appreciating a woman in lingerie and wanting to get your rocks off. Looking at half-naked, or even completely naked women is not inherently pervy.

  147. Annie
    Annie
    October 20, 2015 at 2:10 am

    It was to be expected, Miu is 17 years old and the age of consent in Japan is 13 years old so it’s common to see 14 and 15 year old girls posing in erotic underwear, lingerie and bikinis for magazines but that’s not ok in the rest of the world, you don’t see 14 year old girls posing erotically for Playboy, youngest playmate ever was 16 years old and they were taken to court because of that… NoA and NoE don’t just localize games for a single country and every country, region and state has different laws regarding the depiction of minors in media so this was part of the localization process, they didn’t just remove those 2 costumes, they were replaced with more appropriate and fitting ones that wouldn’t infringe any laws because what’s ok in Japan isn’t necessarily ok in the rest of the world

  148. H.S
    H.S
    October 20, 2015 at 2:11 am

    It’s been 10 years since the last Fatal Frame game was released in North America, and then THIS is what happens on the series’ return. Sigh.

  149. Dr. Evil's Brother's Evil Twin
    Dr. Evil's Brother's Evil Twin
    October 20, 2015 at 2:35 am

    I really like the frill on those suits.

  150. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 20, 2015 at 3:34 am

    Make her 18 then or hide her Age like in Senran Kagura, that would be more acceptable than actually removing Content.

  151. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 20, 2015 at 3:37 am

    NoA, please don’t put all branches of Nintendo in one pot, each of them is a seperate entity and acts on their own, at least in certain Areas.

  152. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 20, 2015 at 3:39 am

    That sucks, but I don’t think a boycott will help, all they will see is that People simply don’t want These games.
    Insted we Need to complain and ask Nintendo of America why they censored a M rated/18+ game, over and over again.

  153. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    October 20, 2015 at 3:44 am

    Honestly it wouldnt have mattered much if they simply hid or alter their ages of the characters in FF5. Dont forget that NoA did censor Tharja’s bikini bottom in the FE:Awakening DLC when it got released in the states. Also in Bravely Default they did alter some of the revealing costumes and changes the characters ages to 18 in the states as well. The common thing about these censors that NoA been doing though is that these attempts seem to be half-assed and not well thought off, making them worse in some cases.

  154. Experiment #626
    Experiment #626
    October 20, 2015 at 4:09 am

    >rated M game
    >censorship

    WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

  155. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 20, 2015 at 4:25 am

    Yes but i mean ninty allowed senran kagura to be on their platform but not a adult horror game.

    It will backfire on ninty. No excuses from them.

  156. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 20, 2015 at 4:48 am

    I wouldn’t belive what Anita say as she mixed up persona.

    She can’t even make up her mind to like video games or loath video games as sexist mysognist toys by shitlords who most work hard & spead cash on VGs.

    Now Antia her job is quite a mess up job, her job is to rally the troops against the shitlords saying VGs gamers are sexist etc etc & VGs are bad.

    Get Paid saying all that shit. & doesn’t know she likes video games or not. In 1 video she says she likes/plays video games, in a diffrent video she at a meeting of SJWs she doesn’t play video games.

    If Anita was a doctor we be truly FUCKED.

  157. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 20, 2015 at 5:03 am

    Do you know what NoE had said about our EU version is our censored too.

    To person below if ninty target that audience of 6 years & over why release a adult game.

    It’s like here some porn but with-out nudity in it.

    ninty quote: “we can give you scares, thrills, blood & gore, but sexy time a No-No”

  158. Softclocks
    Softclocks
    October 20, 2015 at 5:13 am

    Quick guys, we must censor this M-Rated niche game!

  159. landlock
    landlock
    October 20, 2015 at 5:20 am

    Not surprising the Australian rating board rated the game 0 on the sex rating scale so it was always going to be censored. Even Atelier gets a higher sex rating then that.

  160. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 20, 2015 at 5:21 am

    That sucks.

  161. landlock
    landlock
    October 20, 2015 at 5:25 am

    Hentai has never been legally available in the UK all the ones that have been released here have been cut to shit like La Blue Girl. Unless you mean something else.

  162. landlock
    landlock
    October 20, 2015 at 5:27 am

    You must have missed the news about the “Western” version of Beach Volleyball 3.

  163. Paladin Joe
    Paladin Joe
    October 20, 2015 at 5:31 am

    God that Fire Emblem censor is so stupid. 8-4 can suck it. The game most certainly wouldn’t have gotten a M rating just because of this.

  164. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 20, 2015 at 6:40 am

    Could get XCX used, thats what I plan to do if it is censored, I’m tired of giving my hard earned money to NoA.

  165. Azure
    Azure
    October 20, 2015 at 6:42 am

    I wouldn’t know that then because I never bought it only saw the box on the selves. I didn’t even know it was a hentai until like a year later.

  166. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    October 20, 2015 at 6:45 am

    No offense but that just sounds like a very cheap excuse to justify piracy. Them censoring games doesn’t entitle anyone to play games without paying for them~.

  167. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 20, 2015 at 6:48 am

    Half of all horror games are cheesy garbage too. Resident Evil, anyone?

  168. landlock
    landlock
    October 20, 2015 at 6:49 am

    Yeah the BBFC doesn’t take kindly to hentai and especially sexual violence. Back in the day anyway. I don’t think anyone has dared to try recently.

  169. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 20, 2015 at 6:49 am

    Same with the regular Wii. Xenoblade was still essential playing.

  170. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    October 20, 2015 at 6:50 am

    Then they wonder why Nintendo is seen to be just be for kids.

  171. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    October 20, 2015 at 6:52 am

    He tried to troll me too. :)

  172. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 20, 2015 at 7:03 am

    Difference is Senran is not their ip,Fatal Frame is.Nintendo is very conservative and protective of their image.

  173. ivanchu77
    ivanchu77
    October 20, 2015 at 7:05 am

    the people complaining about sexy costumes aren´t the target audience anyway, i doubt they would buy the game even if the girls were dressed like nuns.

    all this for what, protecting the kids? the same kids that buy in millions games like GTA or COD ? the same kids that can acess to internet and it´s awful stuff with no parents giving a shit or regulating anything?

    stupid and pointless, who the fuck cares if the game has lewd costumes anyway, it´s 2015 and they still do this shit, pathetic

  174. Darkbeat
    Darkbeat
    October 20, 2015 at 7:05 am

    Well, I think the real frustration from fans is not as much because of the censorship of sexual content in itself, but the feeling of getting a localized version of a game where something was removed.

    Whenever something is removed from a game, there can be several reasons for it, like time and budget restraints, cultural references that are presumed too confusing for a Western audience or BECAUSE FUCKING LIBERAL NORMIES WANTS TO PUSH THEIR FUCKING SJW AGENDA ON MUH VIDYA GET OUT OF MUH VIDYA FUCKING NORMIIIIEESS REEEEEEEEKJKJAFJKPASFKPFJFJAHPSHPASFHPFPHASHUHDWQHHDQHD

    …but, yeah it’s a shame.

  175. Ainrehtea Dal'nalirtu
    Ainrehtea Dal'nalirtu
    October 20, 2015 at 7:55 am

    Any censorship of any kind is just bad. It pretty much screams that they think the NA/EU market is too immature to even handle something as minimal as a wet bikini.

  176. BaronKrause
    BaronKrause
    October 20, 2015 at 8:05 am

    Did they invent that nonsense just for the markets outside of Japan?

  177. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 20, 2015 at 8:11 am

    I don’t agree, Xenoblade was a pretty mediocre game in my eyes. Even in the small amount of RPGs the Wii had, it doesn’t rank as the best for me.

  178. Giordan
    Giordan
    October 20, 2015 at 8:12 am

    Get an external hard drive. They’re only $40
    or are you that cheap?

  179. Giordan
    Giordan
    October 20, 2015 at 8:12 am

    I have an idea: be lucky we’re getting the game at all.
    Nintendo didn’t localize Fatal Frame IV. Just remember that.

  180. DrWawee
    DrWawee
    October 20, 2015 at 8:14 am

    The fact Nintendo insists on Region locking is reason enough to put them all in one pot.

  181. Doug Howell
    Doug Howell
    October 20, 2015 at 9:12 am

    The people that arent happy with sexy costumes won’t be playing the game.
    Or any game.

  182. Gigaknight
    Gigaknight
    October 20, 2015 at 9:12 am

    I thought that that was a joke–they really did title it so…

  183. Grampy_Bone
    Grampy_Bone
    October 20, 2015 at 9:45 am

    They’re trying to stave off the ire of the SJWs. Won’t work, pointless to try, and just pisses off the fans. Welcome to the United States of Whiney Crybabies.

  184. Lea Pastillaroja
    Lea Pastillaroja
    October 20, 2015 at 10:01 am

    Way to Go Nintendo… with the Wii U emulator in the horizon you just gave people another reason to chooce patchable piracy over censored originals

  185. Phelan
    Phelan
    October 20, 2015 at 10:05 am

    Holy shit… 189 comments o.O

    I know that it’s wrong to censor something so silly… but come on:
    Iwata Dies: meh… it’s sad.. but who cares -> 68 comments
    Nintendo does something stupid: OMFG! THAT’S HORRIBLE -> 189 comments

    But ow well… who am I to judge… after all +1 comment -> 190 comments.

  186. DariusQ
    DariusQ
    October 20, 2015 at 10:40 am

    I had such high hopes for Fatal Frame but between digital only and censorship I’m content to pass it bye. Makes you wonder why Nintendo even bothered to buy this franchise if they were just going to water it down.

  187. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 20, 2015 at 10:59 am

    Yes but the arguments “it’s been done before so it’s a good idea” and “x is cheesy garbage so it’s good to make more” aren’t really solid arguments unless you enjoy cheesy garbage. I do not, and my original post was stating my own (admittedly controversial on a site like this) opinion. The tl;dr version of which being “I don’t care because it had no value to me to begin with”, the implication of which being “i’m still buying it” (which it appears a lot of people here are not)

  188. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 20, 2015 at 11:04 am

    A large amount of this seems to be you speaking of personal facts but I wasn’t referring to you personally. I suppose I could have added in a few getout clauses like using the word “most” in the right places, but frankly that’s a waste of time when people should just reasonably assume that i’m not actually implying that literally everyone is the same. There are exceptions to everything but by and large, you look at tits because you think they’re hot, and to deny that there are people who would enjoy social justice crap getting cut from games is ludicrous (in fact i’ll go one better, i’m one of those people. I’d never campaign for it of course because I don’t SUPPORT censorship, but if it benefits me i’m hardly going to fight it either)

  189. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    October 20, 2015 at 11:12 am

    Guess I’ll just wait for the Wii U emulator then. I’m done with Nintendo’s shit!

  190. Pico
    Pico
    October 20, 2015 at 11:47 am

    If this is true, NoA lost a sell
    Probably more becouse of a future boycott

  191. John Smith
    John Smith
    October 20, 2015 at 11:59 am

    And thus my Wii-U continues to collect dust. Good job Nintendo

  192. Io
    Io
    October 20, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    I highly expect FE Fates to be butchered by NoA. They show us time and time again that they don’t care about preserving the original state of any game they localize, and that they have no respect for the original vision of anything . This is just a terrible practice which honestly makes not want to support them at all. I was thinking of getting a Wii U sometime in the future for Xenoblade and SMTxFE :l.

  193. Io
    Io
    October 20, 2015 at 12:03 pm

    Sadly, there seems to be a lot of Nintendo fans that do only buy a game if you can dress up as a Mario character…

  194. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    October 20, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    Even if it was a game for kids, what would be the issue?

  195. Io
    Io
    October 20, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    I love it when I get on GTA Online, then I hear kids who sounds no older than 13 scream out swear words in each sentence. lol

  196. 7-D Sensei
    7-D Sensei
    October 20, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    I played Conkers Bad Fur Day when i was 13 years old, I magically can’t handle bikinis in Fatal Frame as a 25 year old adult? WELL GOLLY GEE [email protected]#

  197. SolidSalamander
    SolidSalamander
    October 20, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    > implying FE Fates has a chance of not being censored

  198. SolidSalamander
    SolidSalamander
    October 20, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    GOD DAMNED PRUDE NORMIES TAKING OUT SEXY OUTFITS IN AN M GAME FUCK. WHO do they think this game is aimed at?! Who do they think will be the ones buying/playing this game? Fucking hell.

  199. 2D-Kun
    2D-Kun
    October 20, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    You telling me you would shell out almost $100 for a $50 game? Tell me…

  200. 2D-Kun
    2D-Kun
    October 20, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    Yup I called them and told them about the digital issue and censoring issues as well. If It’s an M rated game then leave it as is. No need to try to censore it for the mature audience. When I talked to the rep over the phone I explained to him that they put the nail in the coffin for the series in the west by doing these two things, Nintendo killing off the series in the west. It’s not that there is no market, you guys simple just try to make it impossible to simply expand in other areas of potential business opportunities. Make sure you forward that to your departamen head so they can see what the real problem is. I strictly told the rep I talked all of that word for word without sounding angry, just straight to the point.

  201. rBeowulf
    rBeowulf
    October 20, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    Enjoy 0 sales, Nintendo :)

  202. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 20, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    I wouldn’t bother, they’ll just yell about “muh stated ages” as if saying someone who looks 13 is 20 makes you somehow not attracted to children and insist that this means lolicon is totally fine

    Thing is, if it looks like a child and sounds like a child, and you’re attracted to it, you like children. Lolicons are strange

  203. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 20, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    Tons of people enjoy cheesy garbage, it’s why there’s so many cheesy garbage horror games and movies…..

  204. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 20, 2015 at 3:09 pm

    Ok, time to ignore all your opinions on RPGs. Thanks for tipping me off you have no taste in JRPGs.

  205. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 20, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    Same here, I guess? If a stale single player MMO is supposed to be the cream of the crop for you.

    I still think the game pales behind something like Shiren or Monster Hunter Tri. Sits nicely in 3rd place though.

  206. Zizal
    Zizal
    October 20, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    Men at 12-13 can get women pregnant. Most of the world were marring at young age before the cancer of feminism. Your culture allows teens to have sex with each other but somehow it becomes wrong if a 18 had sex with 17 or 13. If you were attracted to a girl at 17 will your attraction stop if you become 18? A lot of young girls get pregnant and have children and nothing wrong with it. Why is it wrong? Nothing basically.

  207. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 20, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    Well first of all I have no idea what feminism has to do with any of this (nothing, because of course being a pedophile was considered bad long before the word feminism even existed. Plus i’m not a feminist. Nice try though)

    A lot of people commit murder, so is there automatically nothing wrong with that? Just because it happens a lot doesn’t mean it’s a good thing, that argument was so flawed that I don’t even know where to begin

    “Your culture” first of all, do you even know where i’m from? More to the point though, legally speaking underage people aren’t supposed to have sex with each other. Sure no one ever gets prosecuted for it because it’d be a waste of time but no, technically we don’t “allow” them to, we just don’t punish them for it

    And now to the thing that’s closest to an actual, coherent point, borderline ages. I actually agree with you on that one, but I don’t recall talking about it. Yes the girls in this game are around 17 but in most games they look much younger, and there are MANY people into lolicon who aren’t 18, so the borderline argument doesn’t cover even close to all cases. Plus how exactly would one know that the people getting off to barely underage girls are barely overage and not a 40 year old man?

    Ages of consent were created because a lot of adults would exploit underage people who don’t know any better, that’s why pedophilia is wrong. I don’t plan to get into an argument about how characters in games aren’t real because that’s a whole other debate and we were just talking about people being attracted to children in general

  208. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    October 20, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    I feel like I saw a similar post a week ago and I’ll just say the same thing here. Just because externals aren’t massively expensive doesn’t mean that’s a good excuse. My PS3 has a pathetic hard drive, and it’s still like 160 gigs or something. 32 gigs should really be unacceptable in this day and age for a system where downloadable titles that reach at least 10 gigs will, in situations like this, be the only way to play them.

  209. Carl_Ed
    Carl_Ed
    October 20, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Well, that already happened with the Atari 2600.

  210. Carl_Ed
    Carl_Ed
    October 20, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    A concerned mother shouldn’t be buying little Timmy an M rated horror game in the first place, of course.

  211. Carl_Ed
    Carl_Ed
    October 20, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    All five English speaking countries deal with this puritanical bullshit regularly, it’s not just the US.

  212. Zizal
    Zizal
    October 20, 2015 at 4:31 pm

    Just because it’s illegal doesn’t make it wrong since it’s allowed in some places or was allowed. My argument wasn’t about being borderline but about the attraction. Feminism pumped the age of marriage unrealistically in a lot of places. I don’t have a problem with people from different age groups getting married if that’s what they want because the age is irrelevant to love. Banning something because some people are exploiting it is retarded. Doesn’t mean I support those who want to fuck toddlers because these people should be killed just like fags. I don’t find any good argument in your answer why is it wrong to be honest. What will happen if 30 years old married 13 years old? Nothing.

  213. iamarchaeus
    iamarchaeus
    October 20, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    im very disappointed with nichegamer. instead of covering the fact that this game is fucked thanks to it being limited to being a download only game with an outrageous 16 gigabyte download which makes it so very few people can buy it, you instead chose the click baity lewd story.

    you have helped doom this game to obscurity by not informing your readers of what truly matters. you have become fucking Kotaku.

    fuck this website, ad-block on.

  214. Kanaletto
    Kanaletto
    October 20, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    This is plain idiotic. I’m not going to buy this game. Digital (oh yes, devil’s third was by far a better option!… morons) and Censored? it’s not that I was desesperately wanting to use this costumes, but stupid censorship in a game that isn’t even for kids is beyond reason. If Fire Emblem Fates goes there, i’m not buying it either.

  215. Carl_Ed
    Carl_Ed
    October 20, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    That’s not new. NOA never quite reached the levels of Sega of America, but they’ve still got a lot of history of the tail wagging the dog.

  216. Carl_Ed
    Carl_Ed
    October 20, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    Nintendo also tried to destroy the sales of Conker (they succeeded, too).

    Despite it being one of the absolute best games on the N64.

  217. Carl_Ed
    Carl_Ed
    October 20, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    Well, Atelier has high tension sexual violence, apparently.

  218. Carl_Ed
    Carl_Ed
    October 20, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    Some people actually like cheesy garbage, FWIW. Hell, I’d imagine said people make up a good chunk of the target audience for this game.

    But who needs a target audience anyway, Nintendo want this game to fail anyway.

  219. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 20, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    No. Don’t lie like that.
    Th-those days are over! STOP

  220. Kickle Cubicle
    Kickle Cubicle
    October 20, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    I already wasn’t buying this because it was digital only, but censoring an M-rated game is absolutely pointless. Maybe I’ll import the JP version down the road if/when “methods” to get around the region lock are developed.

  221. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 20, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    I’m sorry I stopped taking you seriously and assumed you were a troll as soon as I read “just like fags”

    It just pains me to believe that people can actually be that stupid and not be faking it

  222. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 20, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    And like I said, I was stating my opinion. I don’t like cheesy garbage or sexual content (or in this case, both). And i’m not someone who’s gonna throw a fit on principle over the loss of something I don’t care about. So I still plan to buy the game instead of missing out just because nothing of value was lost. If other people like cheesy garbage, unnecessary tits and/ or getting mad about losing stuff they didn’t care about, that’s their own business. I never said everyone had to agree with me so I have no idea what you’re even arguing about. It’s not as though you’re gonna change my mind

  223. Zizal
    Zizal
    October 20, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    Ok, run. If you think you can teach people your moral values and call most of the world as non normal I also can. Fags aren’t accepted in A lot of places just because they are in the west doesn’t mean it’s the right thing. You just made this excuse in you previous comment so can I.

  224. Annie
    Annie
    October 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    But content wasn’t removed, those 2 costumes were replaced with another 2 costumes more internationally appropiate

  225. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 20, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    But i’m not making the argument that just because a lot of places consider something ok means it is, that’s just you making an assumption. What i’m suggesting is that a lot of places consider homosexuality to be ok because it is. Just like places consider pedophilia bad because it is. So essentially the EXACT opposite argument to the one you’re making and accusing me of making

  226. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    October 20, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    There’s the door —–>

  227. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 20, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    I do have an external, but it’s still terrible for a consumer stand point. Not just for this game, but for any others NoA may decide to make digital only.

  228. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 20, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    Replacing requires the removal of the original something to include the new something. They could have easily kept both. It’s not like they had limited disk space anyway.

    It also bears mentioning that the new something is far, far less sensible in the setting than a swimsuit is (remember, the theme of the game is water). It also bears mentioning that the outfit is unlocked in subsequent playthroughs at which point the player should already be familiar with most of what’s going to come in and scare them so the argument of it breaking immersion which I’ve seen here and there doesn’t amount to much. And amounts to even less factoring in the Samus and Link costumes.

  229. Zizal
    Zizal
    October 20, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    I can make the same argument you made and say homo is banned in a lot of places because it’s wrong etc.. I’m not here to win an argument or you win. I asked a question what will happen if 30 years old married 13 for example? You don’t need to answer if you don’t want. Why would some people exploit children or teens attracted to each others or older people? Because it’s normal. Why it’s Illegal is different matter. Why a lot of people married at young ages before 50 years if it’s not normal? Was all people who lived when age of consent is 13 in Europe mentally ill for accepting it. This is my last comment since I have no more to say.

  230. Tsundere Vader
    Tsundere Vader
    October 20, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    Huh… would’ve thought her job was to wear a plaid shirt and hoop earrings while reading lines given to her :^]. But for real she seems pretty unmotivated for trying to fight “misogyny” in video games, probably because she really doesn’t give a shit. Must be really good for her… until every one of her backers realize she is full of shit and want their money back.

  231. Annie
    Annie
    October 20, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    But they’re not just swimsuits, they’re erotic gravure swimsuits, in Japan it’s common to see 14 and 15 years old posing in those kind of magazines because the age of consent is 13 years old so a 17 years old girl in such a costume is ok for them but not in the rest of the world where she would be UNDERAGE.

    NoA and NoE aren’t just localizing the game for a single country and every country, state and region has different ages of consent and different laws regarding the depiction of minors in media, if Nintendo, who is publishing, left those costumes in they would be risking being taken to court, and if they were taken to court they could potentially ruin their family-friendly image with that kind of scandal.

  232. PleaseHelpMe
    PleaseHelpMe
    October 20, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    This is bullshit. I’m sick and tired of this shit its rated Mature 17+ for fucks sake why remove anything??

  233. EroBotan
    EroBotan
    October 20, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    nintendo has declined into a pile of SJWs shit!!!

  234. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 20, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    They’re swimsuits. Hell, I saw one worse the other day. And before you say that the person was above the age of consent, I wouldn’t know and it wouldn’t matter. There are several people in my country that look young for their age. Some of my coworkers can be mistaken for high schoolers and we’re all old enough to get shitfaced. I suppose you’re going to tell them that they’re not allowed to drink, drive or explore their sexuality because they look like ‘kids’ (fuck no, they look like teenagers, not children. Why the hell do people keep putting the two in the same basket).

    There is also no real difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old. A person doesn’t magically become different just because they reach their 18th birthday. And since it’s just a swimsuit and not sex, there is literally nothing wrong or illegal here. Or you can go down to your local beach and yell that everyone there is breaking the law.

    Their family friendly image was already damaged when they were the ones actively funding Bayonetta 2. Furthermore, they were the ones who told Platinum to make the Link crossover costume even MORE lewd. http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/24/platinum-games-designed-bayonetta-2s-nintendo-costumes/

  235. Annie
    Annie
    October 20, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    Bayonetta isn’t underage and you clearly don’t know how law works if you think it has to do with how old people look rather than their actual age

  236. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 20, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    Then remove the age, like in Senran Kagura. Those girls are still 15 at the youngest. You just wouldn’t know from their in-game bio’s. Or go the normal route and bump the age up. She’s only 17 so it’s not even a stretch to bump her up to 18.

    And Bayonetta was to counter your “family friendly” argument.

  237. tetrisdork
    tetrisdork
    October 20, 2015 at 10:39 pm

    I still want to try this game out. And the costume change, while annoying, doesn’t really affect my potential enjoyment. The fact I need to get an external with a separate power source (or a portable with a splitter cable) because of the Wii U’s technical limitations is more annoying.

  238. tetrisdork
    tetrisdork
    October 20, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    I think it is less about protecting the kids and more “Look at me playing a mature, thought-provoking game that doesn’t rely on objectifying people!”

    Still pathetic, though

  239. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    1. Get a Gateway
    2. Buy ROM and Dump it
    3. Unpack and Reverse-engineer the S*** out of it!
    4. Slap uncensored images back to RomFS
    5. Laugh at NoA’s face.

    Bonus: Locate text pointer for missing conversation and add it back (might need translator for that).

    No, really. We got Rune Factory 4 undubbed and Bravely Default uncensored thanks to the above method.

    Sadly, adding minigames are beyond our reach since it require more extensive tinkering with the game source code :X

  240. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    I’m still angry over Tharja’s censorship. I mean, REALY?!

  241. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:31 pm

    Funny stuff. Blasting people with RPG and then stabbing them in the face might net you hard T or M. Bikini on 16 y/o? JESUS CHRIST MAKE IT AO!!! MAKE IT AO!!! THEY GOT M? WHY NOOOOOO.

    F*** moralfags and those who bend to their pressure.

  242. Annie
    Annie
    October 20, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    But you can’t counter it with Bayonetta, releasing an M-rated game is not the same as going to court for publishing a game with minors in erotic outfits with 80% of their butts uncovered, now that (going to court) could potentially ruin Nintendo’s family-friendly image

  243. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    Indeed. More than the trashy “pop divas” music videos and gratuitous violence on popular media.

    Showing some skin? kissing? bikinis? man, they’ll be traumatized beyond help to become a rapist or a whore!!!

    Might’ve as well make hijab/bur’qa/veils mandatory for all women/female/girl/bitch/sow/pussy/meow/goat in the US now. Yes, even the cat and dog, and the goat. Especially the goat!

  244. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    Since when they’re not? ;)

  245. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:40 pm

    This. Got gifted 3DS, can’t play on my store-brought game. Solution? Gateway 3DS. Bam.

  246. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    “Because fuck you, the fans – that’s why!”
    – Nintendo of America (paraphrased)

  247. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    Give it to me, I’m going to use it as target practice? Digital only? Eh, WiiU is fine as well.

  248. XERW
    XERW
    October 20, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    BASED XSEED you mean! :D yeah, when a company turns too big it’ll be shitty. Sadly it means XSEED will someday became that, and we must search for a new messiah but until then, XSEED it is!

  249. Tsundere Vader
    Tsundere Vader
    October 20, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    Actually, I think they are 19 and 17, which honestly makes it even more absurd.

  250. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 21, 2015 at 12:11 am

    Why would they go to court again? They already have Senran Kagura on the 3DS, their console with a MUCH larger install base, which depicts characters as young as 15 (love how you ignored that point) going completely nude with tiny little censors barely covering their naughty bits.

    Sony certainly never went to court either for Oneechanbara which someone posted a screenshot of in this thread, while those characters are in their most revealing outfit. Note that Saki both looks and is younger than the characters in Fatal Frame. She is 14.

    Also note that both Oneechanbara and Senran Kagura have made it to the west. Also note that Senran Kagura’s 3DS games got a T rating from the ESRB. Oneechanbara and Senran Kagura’s PSVita game got M ratings.

  251. Tsundere Vader
    Tsundere Vader
    October 21, 2015 at 12:59 am

    “Those who are familiar with Nintendo of America will also know that we usually are terrible when it comes to releasing games in the west. I’m happy to say that, just like good ol’ patriotic Nintendo of America, Nintendo of Europe has also decided that our M-rated game had to be censored for our younger audiences. This probably shouldn’t surprise anyone that the ESRB itself was also dumbfounded by our decision to needlessly censor a Mature 17+ game, but it certainly won’t stop us from doing it, while also shamelessly promoting our other franchises in the process.”

    I took a bit of liberty in editing it. It’s probably still true though. :^]

  252. NightmareNear
    NightmareNear
    October 21, 2015 at 1:19 am

    Just ask Alison Rapp about it on her twitter.

  253. ThatDamnCanadian
    ThatDamnCanadian
    October 21, 2015 at 1:21 am

    Seeing Nintendo do this to an M rated title. I wonder how Fire Emblem Fates will do. The two games, two stories with a third DLC path was bad enough.

  254. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 21, 2015 at 1:49 am

    And the red blood in the original german Version of Resident Evil was replaced with Grey blood (looked like dust), not removed, still censorship and unacceptable, you can add stuff, never remove nor replace, except replacing one language with another.

  255. XERW
    XERW
    October 21, 2015 at 2:01 am

    I stand corrected, and concurred that it’s absurd. So… pitchforks and torches?

  256. Tsundere Vader
    Tsundere Vader
    October 21, 2015 at 2:15 am

    hhmm… that does sound cooler than my idea of burning a paper bag of wii-us on their porch….

  257. Annie
    Annie
    October 21, 2015 at 2:27 am

    Senran Kagura is anime, laws are more forgiving with the depiction of cartoon humans or non-human characters, in most places a cartoon could actually have 14 year old kids engaging in sexual intercourse as long as they don’t explicitly show it and it airs in adult time slots, as for Oneechanbara I’m not familiar with that game so I literally have no idea in which countries it’s available and to what degree they sexualized underage characters, but Fatal Frame will be available in every country with access to the eShop

    And you didn’t understand the thing with Bayonetta, a game rated M wouldn’t ruin Nintendo’s family-friendly image, the Gamecube started the whole ”Nintendo is for kids” trend and they had both Eternal Darkness and Geist, I meant a big scandal such as being accused for depicting sexualized minors in a game published by them, that could actually hurt that image and Bayonetta in no way sexualizes underage characters

    Anyways, the costumes were replaced already and I’m getting tired of replying about the same subject on so many sites, if you think depicting minors in oversexualized manners is ok that’s your problem :( personally I think it’s wrong

  258. Annie
    Annie
    October 21, 2015 at 2:37 am

    That is unacceptable but I don’t see the problem in replacing an oversexualized outfit for an underage girl with an internationally appropriate attire

  259. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 21, 2015 at 2:55 am

    Censorship is censorship.

  260. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 21, 2015 at 2:57 am

    Oneechanbara was posted right here in this comment section. It’s the super lewd one with girls having bananas covering their vagagas. One of them is 14 years old. It was sold in the US completely uncensored.

    Here, I’ll even link you the image. https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2683/9767/original.jpg

    And since Bayonetta, a game rated M, wouldn’t ruin their family friendly image exactly as you say, a game like Fatal Frame, also rated M, would still not ruin their family friendly image.

    Again, Nintendo funded Bayonetta 2. They did not fund Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water. They have far more to answer to with Bayonetta 2 should them having anything somewhat sexual cause a scandal. No such thing has happened. If Fatal Frame would cause a scandal, the one who is responsible for it is not Nintendo but Koei.

    And if the age is a problem, bump it up or remove it outright (love how you ignored this as well).

    Funny that you mention the Gamecube by the way. It had BMX XXX, uncensored. Even the PS2 version got censored.

    Saying that you’re going to stop just looks like you’re running by the way. You failed to counter any of my points while ignoring others along the way. You also failed to explain how it would be possible that Nintendo would be taken to court for this.

  261. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    October 21, 2015 at 4:27 am

    The problem with NoA’s approach to Fatal Frame 5 is that they didnt know how to handle bringing the game out to the States at all. You first have the lack of advertising. Next is the digital only route and now the replacement of of bikinis for one costume that could be considered skin tight fetish wear for the “male gaze” and the other belonging to a character that is considered a “damsel in distress.” It’ll be one thing if NoA just only went with the digital copy route, but they fucked up on all 3 fronts and fucked up hard. I said this before, but its these examples are why Nintendo cant grasp the more mature gaming demographic and are behind on the console race, among other things.

  262. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    October 21, 2015 at 4:32 am

    …And yet you give the so-called clickbait article the click and all of you attention enough to make you this salty.

  263. Softclocks
    Softclocks
    October 21, 2015 at 7:10 am

    Name one good game.

    One that isn’t for kiddies or nintendo’s manchildren.

  264. Zanthos
    Zanthos
    October 21, 2015 at 8:48 am

    Ever since they jumped to Nintendo it’s been lose-lose. I highly doubt if it stayed with Sony there wouldn’t be a problem. It’s unfortunate in everyway.

  265. iamarchaeus
    iamarchaeus
    October 21, 2015 at 9:16 am

    i respect brandon enough to let him know he fucked up with his site.

  266. Narmy
    Narmy
    October 21, 2015 at 9:24 am

    They aren’t real people, so those laws have no relevance here.

  267. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    October 21, 2015 at 9:24 am

    I respect your opinion, although it makes me sad.

    I felt like the censorship issue is a bigger one in comparison to the digital-only one.

    Yes, I prefer a disc every time, but when it comes to us getting the game or not, if we only get it digitally, I’ll take what I can get, IMO.

    When it comes to content removed because the publisher felt our market couldn’t handle that, I will always feel this is the bigger issue.

    I hope we can agree to disagree? I hope you at least keep browsing our site, as I am definitely there with you on wanting the game to come on a disc too.

  268. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:07 am

    Not much can be said about Iwata other than how he contributed plenty to video games and will be solely missed. I actually stuck to thumbing up comments then since I felt I couldn’t add much.

    There is much more to argue about censorship of a game or what appears to be a sabotaged release in general.

  269. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    October 21, 2015 at 11:21 am

    That’s the “well it’s better than nothing” attitude that makes me sad about the whole situation. It’s kind of the same situation I had with MGSV: really want the game but not wanting to support the publisher. What’s worse is that how well the game does can dictate if any other games of its kind will be brought over here in the future.

    However this time around it’s a lot easier to side with not supporting the game. Digital only is a pain but the censorship is a deal breaker. Censorship or making changes to a game for Western audiences has happened before, but this one makes absolutely no sense and totally unnecessary. It’s an M rated game; you can practically put anything in it as long as it doesn’t change it to an “adult game”, and I’m pretty sure some skimpy outfits wouldn’t do that.

    And I always hear about “it’s only outfits” argument being thrown around, but I that’s missing the bigger picture. If content as trivial as this can get censored, what’s next? Major storyline or character changes just because they may be “offensive” to western audiences?? Who knows, but what I do know that supporting this game will only give NoA the impression that what they did was right and which can lead to bigger things in the future.

  270. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:32 am

    How certain are we that she is more than responsible for the name of a trailer in NoA? If she is part of the group for decisions, we can’t necessarily be sure that she is responsible for this one in particular without credits or a formal statement.

    Unfortunately, she is someone who might frame both you and people you associate with as terrible people without addressing your point.

  271. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:33 am

    Honestly, I like the fact that this is 18+ and M rated as it means we can argue how they are removing the rights for adults to appreciate adult rated media but yes.

    Games rated for kids and media consumed by kids have had the same or worse. Senran Kagura Burst is still rated T.

  272. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:35 am

    What’s up with Henry in Awakening?

  273. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:36 am

    GAME here sold Hentai for the PSP? What game/UMD are you talking about?

  274. Phelan
    Phelan
    October 21, 2015 at 11:41 am

    I can’t agree with you.

    There is much to be said about Iwata and little to none about censorship. You probably even won’t find here a single post saying that Nintendo did right censoring this stupid costume.

    I agree with all of you… but in reality this whole thread from my perspective looks like a gaint circle jerking group. Everyone jerks off everyone. Nothing new is added to discusion apart from… like really… literally NOTHING.

  275. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Actually, I think that would pass on Siliconera. You can judge by looking at posts I was moderating here: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/10/20/fatal-frame-maiden-of-black-water-might-be-the-best-shooter-on-wii-u/

    They weren’t as frank as you were but much of the sentiment is the same. They only happen to be clearer about which branch of Nintendo they have a problem with, what games they are worried about and which games they are importing instead.

    I know I’ve seen a lot of “FucKonami” posts around though it may be more fun and reasonable to pick on them.

  276. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:50 am

    Ah, it’s Foxeo! I’m thelastgogeta as you saw me on Twitter and was planning on chasing you up about this.

    I’d like to be as positive as you are, but I think America is very unlikely to get a physical release at this point. Cancelling the Augment your Preorder thing was huge but ultimately just a reassignment of download codes and collectables. Mass Effect 3 was huge, but had a much larger audience biting them who were recently bitter from Dragon Age 2 as well.

    I’m going to share the comments from Siliconera which I moderated where at best people were arguing that they prefer Nintendo costumes or didn’t like fanservice in the game even it playing a part in the story, the majority of comments despite the article being a playtest/review were about how the censorship reflects on Nintendo, the Project Zero series and future localisation projects: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/10/20/fatal-frame-maiden-of-black-water-might-be-the-best-shooter-on-wii-u/

    The comments from NicheGamer are also worth highlighting along with the GameFAQs posts as we went back and forth between trusting information and not.

    It isn’t enough to stick to ranting on forums, but it needs to be aimed directly at Nintendo. I recommend you take aim at Nintendo of Europe as well, they probably have little responsibility for the localisation sans bonus languages but even a physical release doesn’t change the poor marketing and spirits over all.

  277. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 21, 2015 at 11:51 am

    I can’t believe people falling for SJWs trap.

    Been reading about underage, lolicom, etc etc below in the comments.

    Who are you talking about who underage etc. For some people’s that Never play any video games wouldn’t know what you talking about & also thinking you talking about a real live person.

    The same mind-set that SJWs uses it doesn’t matter THEY DRAWINGS it still wrong. But treating cartoon person the same rights as real persons that is wrong & consider a illness.

    Plus context plays a big part in games what the girls are doing in a sex making love or a suggestion pose.

    You have cartoon girls or real life person standing nude out in the sun it doesn’t mean nothing the problem is what the girls are doing.

    Monpiece, moe chronicics, moe crystal has got pin-ups of semi-naked cartoon girls ehh monster girls that a another hint saying they not REAL.

    WHAT are the monster girls doing, what are the senran girls doing nothing are they in a sex act no they not.

    That the context I’m talking about. The same context the rating borads sees.

    Example didn’t the BBFC pass a cartoon film uncut a PG the Simpsons movie, is Bart Simpson a non fiction underage boy showing his little tinker though the fence you can his his tinker, out in the open view, see though a window.

    Doesn’t mean squat the BBFC treat it as brief nudity. There was of course a stink about that.

    The monster girls, senran girls, can be fully naked, semi naked, or wear sexy clothes like fate has. It just Art work.

  278. DrWawee
    DrWawee
    October 21, 2015 at 11:59 am

    The Weeb on there banned me for being Anti Nintendo forgot his name but he was like a Weeb/cat person.

  279. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    Sorry to hear that.

    I promise to gush about Iwata’s contributions in the years to come when I play through Balloon Fight, finish Earthbound and go through my backlog of works and consoles that he played a part in pushing.

    I even have my own Iwata interviews that I want to translate from Nintendo’s site for unlocalised games. I still think that a game being censored is bound to generate more immediate discussion than Iwata’s death (which will earn more comments and interest as the years and decades go on).

    When someone dies, I personally look, appreciate and accept that it happened. I’m not great at writing about that sort of thing in words more than “I remember when he raised the revolution and appreciate his smile from every Nintendo Direct”.

    When a game is censored depending on the audience, it has immediate meaning whether what you are buying is worthwhile. It is bound to throw people into a frenzy. Perhaps it isn’t particularly productive what we are doing here, but gathering different viewpoints that we can use to shape immediate releases or warn people is useful.

  280. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    … You must mean Ishaan. I haven’t seen your posts on Siliconera recently but to be fair you would have been banned for being anti-Vita with a few words changed around too as some moderation leaks show.

    I sort of thank you for proving we might be a bit consistent (contrary to rumours), even if it might be harsh. Presumably, it is done to avoid people just posting “Vita sucks lol” or “Fucking Nintendo” provoking flame wars instead of discussions.

    I don’t think we are that different to The Escapist, allowing all sorts of discussion if you think for a second to make sure that you are arguing points and if you are, avoiding repeating them.

  281. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    17 and 19. The character featured in the censored cutscene (which are creepy photos of her as a gravure idol) is 17.

    Never forget that Senran Kagura Burst was rated T and has younger characters.

  282. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    Opps I mean fatal not fate.

    Besides my gaff, let put the shoe on the other foot, you wouldn’t called people that play COD, GTA & any extreme violence murderders, terrorists.

    The same applies that older gamers that like & play sonic, Mario as childish kids.

    But its legally alright to shout-out cartoons drawings of a sexual nature to be wrong.

    The same shit that SJWs pulls doesn’t bother about COD or extreme violence unless it’s about non -fiction women being treated poorly in extreme violence games.

    Who fucking cares about non-fiction men on men action shooting each over in multiplayer or story mode. Says SJWs

    But OMG cartoon girls, non -fiction women tropes. Is wrong out of order etc etc while forming at the mouths.

    If there is a word for what they said & done it’s okay for 1 element like Extreme violence but not the other. that it’s a hypocrite.

  283. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 12:16 pm

    I was interested since the limited edition looked good and I wanted to start the series. My preorder was cancelled when I found out that Europe were getting cuts too.

    Some people may have not been interested, but there were series veterans and newcomers alike who have been scared off.

  284. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    Doesn’t that show a different costume which affect the motivations and context of the scene entirely? Censored doesn’t need to mean light bars or even different camera angles if that’s what you mean…

  285. Phelan
    Phelan
    October 21, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    Look, we both agree on the meritum.

    We really do. I despise all sorts of censorship… ok… maybe not all but vast majority (I’m talking about some very extreme cases that probably didn’t ever happen – so yeah… I feel that I would be all for censorship if there was game with too realistic graphic with pedophile content)

    But sorry I don’t feel like patting ones back and write how much I agree with someone. Like I said, nobody is adding anything new to discussion. And no, it is totally counter productive. Because none of you is doing anything about this whole case. You just complain for the sake of complaining and write how much do you agree with each other who shares your own opinions. In essence you guys are just a big internet mob that want to reafirm your being by agreeing with another person who has the same opinion. It’s not discussion. It huge mob monologue.

    So yeah, I’m not attacking anyone here. ok? But you guys are really doing nothing. I feel that you are trapped here without realizing. You just waste time by writing how much you agree with each other.

    Than again censorship in 99 cases out 100 is bad. On that we agree.

  286. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    I see. Is there a way you think we should direct our voices and energy then? NicheGamer’s community (even Siliconera’s as much as not everyone here likes em) and anti-censorship is definitely preaching to the choir. I think only Go D. Usopp has a notably different opinion.

    I think this sort of exercise is the good first step to directly emailing and tweeting Nintendo and so on.

    I’d go as extreme as 99.9999% of censorship cases are bad. >_>

  287. Zizal
    Zizal
    October 21, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    I wasn’t sure because of the language. I copied the link and fast forward the video. I didn’t realize they are comparing the same scene because of that. I was just being dumb.

  288. Phelan
    Phelan
    October 21, 2015 at 12:45 pm

    Dunno how about pour all that energy into making petition to add that particular costume as DLC? Or start new twitter/facebook campaign asking Nintendo for things like that never to happen again (polite one). Emailing won’t work as there probably isn’t contact form to Nintendo, most probably only mail to support team.

    Sorry to say as much I disaprove them changing one of those cut-scenes but that can’t be changed anymore. From what I know it would require them to send game once again through rating process (even if that wouldn’t change given rating). And that just costs way too much.

    Again you guys ARE right. It has PEGI 18 there is literally no reason to censor game in any way. I mean really… I doubt that there is healthy 18 years old kid who didn’t see even once girl in lingerie… and I mean real life experience. You can even have sex by the age of 15/16 in most countries right? I mean age of consent. So again. you guys are right! But you (and now even I) are wasting time on talking about (sorry won’t call it discussion as there are not even 2 sides) some very obvious things.

  289. NightmareNear
    NightmareNear
    October 21, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    That’s true. My mistake. Just be careful I know Rapp is an SJW.

  290. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 21, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    Just a matter of interest what you called that DLC is that just for NA or is it a fan-art?

  291. Azure
    Azure
    October 21, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    La Blue Girl dunno about anything else.

  292. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    October 21, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    Indeed, it’s just easier for us to argue against it, but my argument goes further, I believe ESRB ratings are quite trash, the only thing going on for them being the description of what is in-game, rather than the whole bullshit about age.

  293. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    October 21, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    Why not have hentai on the PSP? What, will you be forced to play it if they ever let hentai on it?

  294. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 21, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    Monster Hunter? Repetitive grinding over and over? Ugh.

  295. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 21, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    You’re going to have to come to terms with the fact that other people don’t like the same things you do.

  296. Ultim8_Alchemist
    Ultim8_Alchemist
    October 21, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    Thanks for replying!

  297. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 21, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    Well, yeah, but at least that has co-op and a non tab-targeting combat system.

    I won’t lie, the fact that X has mechs and shit still makes me want to play it, I just don’t like the MMO formula Xenoblade emulates to a T.

    Arguably Monster Hunter emulates that as well, but it’s closer to the Action RPG formula due to the fact I don’t have to free roam and it’s all pretty much instanced.

  298. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 21, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    What are you even talking about, I already said several times that I was stating my opinion. Your comment really applies more to yourself than it does me. My original point was as I explained, I don’t care so i’m still buying it. Not my fault so many people around here get so uppity over anime titties that they think anyone who doesn’t care is trying to take them away

    It’s not as though I said “I don’t care so you CAN’T boycott it”, I just said I don’t care so I won’t and explained why. If other people care that much about it then, again as I already said, that’s their own business

  299. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 21, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    You weren’t stating your opinion, you came seeking validation for your opinion. That’s why you came in with your original post asking “what even is the point of having this stuff in a horror game to begin with?” and made statements like “Who even buys horror games and thinks “yknow what’d make this scarier? Tits”. No one, obviously”

    “No one, obviously”
    not
    “I don’t, obviously”

    So unless you post just to see yourself talk, you were trying to curry favor for your point of view. It didn’t happen, so you’re falling back to the “It’s my opinion and opinions can’t be wrong” position.

    Whatever makes you feel better.

  300. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    October 21, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    Actually making rhetorical points is largely just how I write. Do you really think i’d be foolish enough to think people would agree with me here? I even said as much in the very first sentence of my original post. If I were looking for people to agree with my opinion i’d go comment on Kotaku, though it’s not like I have said opinion for the same reason as those nutjobs

    I’m not “falling back” on anything. Even if your point about me looking for agreement held (which it doesn’t), it still wouldn’t change the fact that it is an opinion and was from the start

    Sites have comments sections so people can comment, funnily enough. Or do you just expect this to turn into a “I’M BOYCOTTING” circle jerk and have everyone with a different opinion kindly fuck off? Sounds a lot like the attitudes of a lot of other sites I know, just on the opposite side of the coin

  301. Annie
    Annie
    October 21, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    Actually they’re realistic-looking enough, law would be more forgiving if they were cartoons or anime

  302. Annie
    Annie
    October 21, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    I did but you’re being obtuse on purpose, what’s the point if this is like talking to a wall? I’m tired of repeating myself and being bombarded on multiple sites with comments of people crying for those costumes being replaced but here it goes, I’ll reply yet again just because you’re one of the few who didn’t insult me

    Ok, you think I went through the whole comment section? because no, I didn’t so I have no idea what is Oneechanbara, now I see it’s that game, like I’ve said laws regarding the depiction of minors in media are different between countries, regions and states, Oneechanbara is available in the US, ok, I’ll assume in the whole country and that one of the characters is indeed 14, but what if it’s not available in other countries of North and South America? Fatal Frame is being released on the eShop and it’ll be available for every country with access to the eShop so they can’t risk the game being banned, they obviously want it to be available in the most countries possible given that the series doesn’t sell that good

    Again, Bayonetta wouldn’t ruin their family-friendly image, but imagine that Bayonetta had minors in oversexualized mostly-naked outfits, then Nintendo made that game available in a certain place where it would infringe a law, then they’re brought to court and it obviously causes an internet scandal, that would ruin their image, do you comprehend what I’ve been saying now? Bayonetta by itself isn’t scandalous but a lawsuit would be and that’s what they’d be risking if they release Fatal Frame on the eShop without being properly localized

    And Nintendo is publishing the game and owns the publishing rights for all future Fatal Frame titles so yes, they’d be responsible because they’re the ones making the game available and selling it directly to players through the eShop

    And what am I ignoring about age? of course they could alter the character’s age

    And ok, I’ll repeat myself… yet again, laws regarding the depiction of minors in media are different between countries, regions and states, NoA and NoE don’t just localize a game for a single country, region or state, and with the game coming to the eShop it’ll be available on lots of places and they have to make sure it’s ”adequate” and doesn’t infringe any law on any of those places, how could Nintendo be taken to court you say? you know how sometimes games get banned from certain countries because of their content? that’s because if you publish a game that has innapropriate law-infringing content you’ll be facing a lawsuit, so Nintendo could make different versions for each country/region/state, selectively ban the game in certain places or the easiest option which is making a more ”internationally appropriate” version merely by replacing 2 costumes, obviously Nintendo went that way because they don’t want to spend much time, money and resources on the localization as evidenced by the cheap english voice-acting and they want to have the game available through the eShop in as many places as possible because they know the Fatal Frame series don’t sell that well

    Hopefully you’ll actually read and stop being obtuse on purpose this time because I’m really tired of repeating myself and people focusing their anger at me and insulting me just because I don’t approve of minors being sexualized in media

  303. Annie
    Annie
    October 21, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    Ok

  304. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    I seriously have my doubts about a petition or seeing costumes as DLC, but a Twitter campaign could work. My aims are probably mostly focused on emails and calling them on the phone but I understand how that may fall on deaf ears too.

    Patching the cutscene doesn’t actually seem that out of reach, it is almost definitely on the disc but dummied out for other costumes. Given that it is all in engine, changing the content should be a snap though I’m not sure if they deserve our support towards that end even if it makes more people and wallets happy.

    Anyway, thanks. I won’t bug you again I’ll try to be more productive. I’m not the type of person who can light a Twitter keg but I think I’ve done a decent job at informing people (not so much here as on Siliconera).

  305. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:08 pm

    That’s a good reason not to bother asking or pressing her. Even your last post (Admitting she may not be responsible and just noting her behaviour) could end up on her harassment list out of context.

    Let us not poke the poop and hope that she does the same in our direction. She already has enough to work with.

  306. DrWawee
    DrWawee
    October 21, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    It was a different account that got ban hammered.

    I’ve also been banned from Destrutoid TWICE Once for insisting they get the “Good review pay check” and again for joking around about Rashid in SFV being revealed on 9/11.

    Ban Hammer on Gematsu for……….I have no idea there’s a Nazi mod on there too.

  307. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 21, 2015 at 11:59 pm

    I see. I’d say you have bad luck you do provoke it a bit. :P No site likes to be accused on taking pay checks for good reviews (maybe you could put it across as more of an obvious joke) and as much as I wanted to welcome 9/11 Jokes about Rashid, that isn’t something Siliconera wanted to do. Fair enough, I can’t bend the site or all of the mods to my will.

    I felt like it was better to let people get jokes like that out of their system for some levity. I can understand Capcom Unity (who posted the news on 9/12) not welcoming the jokes, but individual sites should be a little more open if it isn’t directly hating individuals or mocking someone’s losses. *pout*

    I think I only know two mods on Gematsu. Not sure about what they ban people for there though.

  308. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 22, 2015 at 12:21 am

    Woah, it runs deep. I still like the Henry that I had, but it would have been nice for both characters to be a little closer if nothing else.

    I haven’t read it all but it has implications for how other characters are rewritten. I’ll dig for more information.

  309. Narmy
    Narmy
    October 22, 2015 at 12:26 am

    Actually, no. It doesn’t matter how “realistic-looking” they are; they aren’t real, so real life laws do not apply.

    Where did you even get the idea that this is anything close to illegal?

  310. Annie
    Annie
    October 22, 2015 at 12:52 am

    ”Currently, countries that have made it illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old include Canada, South Africa, South Korea, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the Philippines. At the upper edge, this encapsulates pornographic depictions of even seventeen-year-olds together, or adults where the predominant impression conveyed is of a person under the age of 18 (such as small-breasted women).”

  311. Annie
    Annie
    October 22, 2015 at 12:59 am

    Law is more forgiving when it’s cartoony people or not human, but characters depicted in Fatal Frame are clearly human so:

    ”Currently, countries that have made it illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old include Canada, South Africa, South Korea, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the Philippines. At the upper edge, this encapsulates pornographic depictions of even seventeen-year-olds together, or adults where the predominant impression conveyed is of a person under the age of 18 (such as small-breasted women).”

  312. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 22, 2015 at 1:42 am

    No it’s not okay, it’s unacceptable, only Groups like Nazis or ISIS should be censoring nowadays, not the so called civilized 1st world, it’s completely backwards medival bullshit we should be long past.

  313. Annie
    Annie
    October 22, 2015 at 1:46 am

    Now I’m genuinely not sure if you’re joking or being serious

  314. DrWawee
    DrWawee
    October 22, 2015 at 1:50 am

    It’s funny I’m mostly non confontational on this site even though I know it’s the wild west

  315. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 22, 2015 at 4:12 am

    I’ll preface this by saying that I do read every last line in your posts. In fact if you notice, I try to address all of your points. I feel that’s more than can be said for you ignoring my own points until I have to point out the fact.

    Onechanbara is available both at retail and on the PSN for multiple regions including the European regions and Australia, the usual problem countries. Australia’s classifications board in particular is even known to have a bias against completely legal content if a female character of legal age is shown to have a small chest leading to rumors that Australia bans small breasts. It was something of a scandal a while back.

    A family friendly image is defined by being something consumable for all members of the family at any age bracket (see Disney). Anything that could potentially be considered unsuitable for small children is not family friendly. So it appears more like the argument you’re making to say that Bayonetta won’t ruin their family friendly image is misguided. The point you’re trying to make doesn’t align with the words you’re using.

    Which is why I counter the point you ARE making from here with the simple “bump her age up” argument. You fail to explain why this can’t be done and why the outfit needed and I mean NEEDED to be removed in lieu of this workaround that has been time and again accepted even by people who loath censorship. That is what you are ignoring regarding increasing the character’s age.

    Seriously, bump her age up by a single year. She is magically no longer a minor. Heck, this is even easier than changing that one character’s age in Xenoblade Chronicles X where they bumped her from 13 to 15 due to being able to strip characters down to their underwear.

    I’ll concede on Nintendo publishing Fatal Frame. This was a lack of research on my part.

    My counter for your statements regarding regional laws are specifically Senran Kagura and Onechanbara as they have been released in all regions you cite as being the problem areas. And since those games never caused their respective publishers to be taken to court, it is nonsensical to say that Nintendo would be taken to court as well for far less risque content.

    Which is why, based on these facts, there is no logical reason why Nintendo could ever possibly be taken to court for releasing FF uncensored. Simply saying that it would cause a scandal in the media is far, far more likely than saying legal action would be taken against them.

  316. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 22, 2015 at 5:20 am

    I think I worded it badly, what I mean is that only extremist Groups like the nazis or ISIS should be the only ones who still use forms of censorship nowadays, and not the so called progressive civilzed societies, there is nothing progressive in censorship, it’s the definition of Regression.

  317. landlock
    landlock
    October 22, 2015 at 7:03 am

    Its not I don’t think. Nintendo EU released the video with the censored story content.

  318. Narmy
    Narmy
    October 22, 2015 at 8:39 am

    Yes I am aware that some countries have backwards laws regarding pornography of fictional characters, but that’s a separate law that has nothing to do with age of consent laws. There is a huge difference between porn and wearing a bikini.

  319. Giordan
    Giordan
    October 22, 2015 at 11:25 am

    Explain Bayonetta 2…

  320. Giordan
    Giordan
    October 22, 2015 at 11:26 am

    Wow you sound like a whiny baby who doesn’t get what it wants.

  321. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    October 22, 2015 at 11:37 am

    How so? I presented an explanation and opinions to help explain why I wouldn’t support this game. You are more than welcome to not agree with it, but I hardly call my post “whiny”.

    But if we’re getting into name calling, I would say you sound like a doormat. People like are the reason crap like this happens, the way you let companies walk all over you and try to rationalize it by telling yourself “it’s better than nothing”. I’d rather have a backbone and principles than bend over and let people take advantage of me.

  322. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 22, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    If that is true then senran & other Ecchi games/movies would be illegal & not be release in the UK.

    but please do not treat ecchi the same as HENTAI. None of the games has sexual intercouse like monpiece, moe chronicics, moe crystal.

    Besides fictional characters has ambiguous ages most games does not mention they profile. PEGI tells us so in emails doing the rounds in the Internet.

    Monster girls was mentioned a lot well monsters are ageless.

    Also Little underage Bart should not be portrayed in that manner.

    Have a look at this from PEGI if monpiece was not censored it would be still be PEGI-12.

    The facts reminds cartoon can’t be seen as pornograpic unless it’s HENTAI also you can played HENTAI games legally on PC like huni-pop

    Buy huni-pop censored via steam, download a patch to uncensored it & steam would allow that.

    & it be alright the same thing you can import a uncensored ecchi game from Japan & it still be alright any issues I would expect customs & excise to seize my games as underage fiction girls may be present.

    But every time I get the games & I know they look at it because there a lot of sellotape to seal up again.

  323. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    October 23, 2015 at 12:16 am

    Bayonetta 2 was something that Nintendo did right. They knew what the audience they were going for and also this was around the time when Nintendo actually put in the effort to get that core adult audience. Also they not only have just the physical copy of Bayo 2 but also bundled it with a separate physical copy of the first game. This just makes it all the more baffling on why Nintendo dropped the ball hard with Fatal Frame 5. It’s almost as if NoA themselves didnt even know what the game was about.

  324. Giordan
    Giordan
    October 23, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    Because you complain about something so minor that it doesn’t matter.

  325. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    October 23, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    And you completely went over the part where I explained why I think it matters. Just because the change in question is minor, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have any significant affects to “localizing” games in the future.

    Again you don’t have to agree with me, but I’d rather have some integrity than to bend over and let Nintendo do whatever they want to me.

  326. Annie
    Annie
    October 23, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    Like I said, law is more forgiving when it’s cartoony people

  327. Annie
    Annie
    October 23, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    Well, it’s not censorship, it’s law and Nintendo obviously doesn’t want lawsuits or the game to be banned in some countries because the Fatal Frame series sell poorly:

    ”Currently, countries that have made it illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old include Canada, South Africa, South Korea, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the Philippines. At the upper edge, this encapsulates pornographic depictions of even seventeen-year-olds together, or adults where the predominant impression conveyed is of a person under the age of 18 (such as small-breasted women).”

  328. Annie
    Annie
    October 23, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    Problem is that is not just a bikini and everyone knows it, it’s an oversexualized erotic gravure bikini with most of the butt uncovered for an underage girl, depicting a minor like that is wrong in many places and it’s sexual imagery, people mad at Nintendo because they won’t get to see a half-naked underage girl in their game should remember Nintendo is an international company and they’re just being responsible because they obviously don’t want any lawsuits or the game to be banned in some countries because this is Fatal Frame we’re talking about and those games sell poorly, it’s a miracle we even got a digital-only release over here and it probably had to do with Nintendo’s weak holiday line-up

    Anyways, I’ll just post this again and hopefully won’t have to repeat myself because I’m tired of being bombarded with comments about this topic and I think law is pretty clear to still be denying the facts because it’s not what certain individuals would like it to be:

    ”Currently, countries that have made it illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old include Canada, South Africa, South Korea, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the Philippines. At the upper edge, this encapsulates pornographic depictions of even seventeen-year-olds together, or adults where the predominant impression conveyed is of a person under the age of 18 (such as small-breasted women).”

  329. Annie
    Annie
    October 23, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    I don’t ignore your points just because I’m not writing huge text walls but most of your comments are just forcing me to repeat myself, like bringing Bayonetta up again, can’t you understand Bayonetta isn’t depicting underage girls being sexualized? I CLEARLY said the scandal would be caused by Nintendo publishing a game that could be potentially banned or facing a lawsuit because it depicts minors in a sexual manner, which is wearing a tiny oversexualized gravure bikini with most of her butt uncovered, that’s sexual imagery and they could have aged her up but Ninty propably didn’t want to take a risk because it’s not like it’d be too hard to find that the girl is actually 17 years old in the original japanese release and it could be used against them

    They could have reworked her models to age her up visually as well but this is Fatal Frame we’re talking about, a series that sells poorly, obviously Nintendo didn’t want to spend as much resources in it because they know it won’t sell and it’s even a miracle we got it over here and probably part of it is Nintendo’s weak holiday line-up, they probably wanted more games to fill it so they we got Fatal Frame in the cheapest way possible as evidenced by the cheap english voice-acting and lack of Spanish or Portuguese subtitles, and before you bring up the costumes, it’s way faster, easier and cheaper to get those Nintendo costumes in the game rather than altering the character model, it’s silly to be mad at 2 oversexualized bonus costumes being replaced when we consider Nintendo is an international company so they’re just being responsible:

    ”Currently, countries that have made it illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of FICTIONAL CHARACTERS who are DESCRIBED AS OR APPEAR TO BE UNDER EIGHTEEN YEARS OLD include Canada, South Africa, South Korea, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the Philippines. At the upper edge, this encapsulates pornographic depictions of even seventeen-year-olds together, or adults where the predominant impression conveyed is of a person under the age of 18 (such as small-breasted women).”

  330. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    October 23, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    So? I don’t live in any of these countries and I call bs anyway, Senran Kagura (rated Pegi 16 btw, not Pegi 18 like Project Zero 5) was released in the UK and according to what you said Mirai would be totally illegal there since she is flat as a pancake, apparently all that was needed was to hide their ages, which is something Nintendo could have done here too, make her 18 and bam, no need for censorship. Besides that I don’t live in any of these shitty censoring and unfree marxist countries so why do I have to suffer from their retarded laws that shouldn’t affect me in any way shape or form? This is not acceptable. In my country violence gets sometimes censored or even banned but then it’s usually really just for my country (and sometimes australia), no others like the UK or murrica have to suffer that censorship just because of my retarded government and as an adult I can even legally import any banned game for personal use from any other country.

  331. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    October 23, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    Now If only PlayStation fought for these games to come to the west. Oh and didn’t kill the Vita.

  332. Narmy
    Narmy
    October 23, 2015 at 8:09 pm

    You’re the only one who’s denying facts here. No matter how “oversexualized” you think it is, it is not pornography.

  333. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 23, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    Just like it wouldn’t be hard to find out that the characters in Senran Kagura and Onechanbara are underage. Also just like how it wouldn’t be hard to find out that the character in Xenoblade Chronicles X was originally 13 years old (and she is still underage at 15 after getting her age bumped).

    The former two are examples where the publisher never got into legal trouble for releasing a game depicting sexualized underage characters. If you can provide me with a precedent for a publisher being taken to court (and I mean specifically taken to court) for releasing a game with a sexualized minor whose age got bumped up, then your words will actually be more than fear mongering for a scenario that will simply never happen.

    Nintendo and Koei don’t have to adjust her character model either. That’s never been required at all. As long as the STATED age is over 18 (because just like you said in a much earlier reply, looks has nothing to do with the age of consent) then everything is fine. It’s practically a joke in fact.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56b0cf6ecd7bf799b02149b5be61e77a35a00e4d6b1d11d8e06ea8062b5ef49a.jpg

    And again, she can actually pass for an 18 year old quite easily because she’s only 1 year below that. Creating new costumes costs far more than adjusting a character model as well. You’re creating something from scratch with the former, while adjusting some parameters in the latter. Seriously, adjusting character models is as easy as adjusting a slider these days so it is not faster, cheaper or easier to make new costumes. Not in the slightest.

    It’s been brought to my attention as well that the character is in fact a model or idol in her day job. This means that gravure swimsuits such as those actually fit her line of work. There is even a story related scene with her in it contemplating her individuality as a person during such photo-shoots which makes little sense at all when she’s wearing normal clothes.

    http://nichegamer.com/2015/10/nintendo-censored-story-content-in-fatal-frame-maiden-of-black-water/

    And one last time, games like Senran Kagura and Onechanbara have been sold in those exact problem areas you’re stating which you have ignored yet again. Nintendo selling a game that does not even advertise the fact that it’s got a skimpy costume will not draw any legal attention to itself before games such as those would.

  334. Annie
    Annie
    October 24, 2015 at 5:03 am

    No, but it’s sexual imagery

  335. Annie
    Annie
    October 24, 2015 at 5:06 am

    NoA and NoE don’t localize games for just one country so they have to make sure it’s appropriate in every region and law is more forgiving when it’s cartoon people

  336. undub lover
    undub lover
    October 24, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    Either be uncensored or be boycotted. Simple as that.

  337. Annie
    Annie
    October 25, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Like I’ve been saying, law is more forgiving when it’s cartoon people

  338. Giordan
    Giordan
    October 27, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    I find it hypocritical that people complain about a sexual costume being censored in Fatal Frame
    But in the Third Birthday, they hate the “oversexualization” of Aya Brea (despite being a completely different Aya than the one in Parasite Eve)
    Hypocrisy at its finest.

  339. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    October 29, 2015 at 11:29 am

    …And how does this hypocrisy apply to this conversation? I’ve only talked about censorship for specifically this game. Plus nowhere did I go in full detail on my thoughts and opinions on localization, censorship or “over-sexualization”.

    If you’re just talking about “people” in general, I still don’t get where you’re coming from. Everyone has different opinions, so you’ll almost always find someone complaining about something. And unless you know for a fact that the very same people who didn’t like the change with Aya Brea are the same ones who are ok with these costumes, I don’t see the hypocrisy.

    And even if you do find some people who seem to “flip flop” on the subject, that doesn’t automatically make them hypocrites. As you mentioned, people were upset about the change with Aya Brea (or the feel of the game overall) because of “reasons”. If those reasons make sense or not is beside the point, it’s that those reasons are what helped people to form their opinions regarding the game. But those same reasons don’t always apply to every “over-sexualization” issue that comes by since the context can be vastly different. So yes, it’s not too hard to believe that one may find it offensive in one situation but be totally ok with it in another.

  340. Giordan
    Giordan
    November 1, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    I know people have different opinions, but it’s hypocrisy when they complain about The Third Birthday’s sexualization but then complain about censorship in another horror game.
    How is it not hypocrisy?

  341. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    November 2, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    How is it not hypocrisy?….I gave you some reasons how it wasn’t in my last comment. Did you just choose to ignore it??

    Yes, there are people who didn’t like what happened with The Third Birthday. Yes, people have issues with these extra costumes being taken away. That doesn’t make “people” hypocrites though. You act as if the people who wanted Aya Brea to be covered up are the same exact people who want to see these girls in these lewd costumes. There might be some who do fall in that category, but the most likely scenario is that these are 2 different groups of people being vocal over a completely different issue.

    And again, even if you are only pointing out the people who do fall under your “hypocrite” label, it’s not as black and white as you make it out to be. From my understanding, it wasn’t really a “censorship” issue when it came to The Third Birthday. People had issues with game because of Aya’s drastic change in personality and also how the “clothing damage” changed the feel of the game in a negative way. Fatal Frame on the other hand had alternate costumes of this nature ever since the 2nd game. But most importantly, it’s totally optional if you wanted to use them or not. It doesn’t affect the characters original design and personality or the overall feeling of the game unless you choose to do so.

  342. Sandman83
    Sandman83
    November 2, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    A 4 year old can today use and ipad and therefore go inte for example youporn. But an 18 year old can’t see nudity in made up characters in a game. Personally I prefer to experience a game as it was intended.

  343. Giordan
    Giordan
    November 2, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    Yes it does make them hypocrites.
    And yes, I’m certain most people complaining about the costume being taken out are the dumb sjw’s who hated Aya being sexualized.

  344. Mighty No. 56008
    Mighty No. 56008
    November 2, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    Uh, pretty sure “yes it does” won’t convince ANYONE to agree with your stance. Please enlighten me, taking into consideration what I shared, how does it make “them” into hypocrites.

    And please, proof that people who are against this censorship are the same ones who had issues with The Third Birthday. In fact, I wouldn’t be suprised if a lot of us have forgotten the game even existed.

    On another note, why on earth would a “dumb SJW” be complaining about the costumes being taken out?!?! That’s like totally out of their character! Are you even trying to make sense?!