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FUNimation Distances Itself from Writers Shoehorning Politics into English Dub for Prison School

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We’re very much-so against censorship here at Niche Gamer, however, we’re also not ok with localization teams adding random things not present in the source material.

Last week, the latest episode of the Prison School anime was aired on FUNimation, the western publisher who licensed the anime.

Prison School takes place in the Hachimitsu Academy, one of the most stringent all-girls academies in Tokyo, who just now began allowing boys to attend. It’s quite hilarious, raunchy, and definitely not safe for work.

Within the latest episode, the following line is said:

“Woah, cut the breaks Arthur Fonzarelli. You got a stick up your ass, or are you one of those dumbass GamerGate creepshows?”

Now compare this line to the original Japanese, translated directly into English:

“You keep talking to me like we’re on equal terms, but I’m a 2nd year. You have to address a superior more politely. Shut… up…”

To be clear, the line was thought up by FUNimation writer Tyson Rinehart, who sarcastically remarked on the negative reaction the line was getting on social media:

“If you think rape threats against women in gaming are acceptable, I’m glad my script pissed you off. #PrisonSchool #itwasjustonelineyounerds”

So what is the reasoning behind this line being randomly shoehorned into Prison School? Rinehart said the following when responding to an inquiring fan:

“I threw it in because I thought it was appropriate to the scene and fit the flaps. I even found it funny, but not my best.”

You can view a recording of the particular line put into the anime, below:

He continued to rail off on fans of the show who complained, despite the majority of the fans pointing towards the direct translation, saying it makes no sense to add in such random lines. While the #GamerGate bit is completely random, the Arthur Fonzarelli joke is lame, and extremely outdated, in my opinion.

To be clear, there’s a fine line between “localization” and “translation,” which many people seem to forget. Regardless, adding a completely unrelated line to the script is disrespectful to the creators of the show.

We promptly contacted FUNimation for a response both on social media and privately, and their only response was an email pointing to this blog post, in which the publisher distances themselves from the writers and actors involved with the English dub:

Last week’s Broadcast Dub episode of Prison School generated significant feedback from anime fans. While the company is not able to answer each person individually, FUNimation does read and review all fan feedback, without exception.  

In creating English dubs over the past 20+ years, FUNimation has always modified each Japanese script to appeal to Western audiences. This ensures that North American audiences can enjoy a high-quality viewing experience regardless of their familiarity with Japanese culture.  

Neither the dialogue in our shows nor the personal statements of our actors or writers reflects the views or opinions of FUNimation. Official statements from FUNimation are only released via company owned channels (i.e., website and social media profiles) or newswire.  

FUNimation will continue to pay close attention to fan feedback on Prison School and will take it into consideration in the future. FUNimation is committed to providing the highest quality entertainment possible.

It’s essentially a cop-out response, with FUNimation taking no responsibility for their consistently awful localizations for various anime shows.

So what does this mean? Nothing really – save the fact that enough of you guys raised a valid point: localization should be as close to the source material as possible, while making intelligent choices to adapt things for westerners.

You’re better off just watching the original Japanese with English subtitles, because it seems like writers looking to make a name for themselves won’t be held responsible by publishers.

Despite this, the entire thing is still not as black and white as many would like it to be – it’s a very subjective thing. What are your thoughts on the entire debacle? Sound off in the comments below!

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Brandon Orselli

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328 comments
  1. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    October 2, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    thing is, I’m fairly certain that in the contracts for some of the dubs, Funimation gets some creative license. Just look at Shin-Chan(Which is Hilarious).

  2. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    October 2, 2015 at 7:08 pm

    The feedback still forced them to make this blog post, which is a weak PR deflection, but that is expected. Perhaps Mr. Rinehart will receive a slap on the wrist for including his politics in such an unprofessional way.

    It is obvious that the writer is a typical SJW with a totalitarian mindset, who uses his position to spread propaganda.

  3. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    October 2, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    There’s a very fine line between a translation and a localization and it’s one that almost nobody seems to be able to walk. Everyone is either leaving honorifics in and just not translating half the words in any given sentence or randomly changing entire lines and giving them entirely different contexts.

    I don’t usually have a preference either way between subs or dubs but things like this make me side firmly against the dub here. If I can’t trust that line to be accurate why should I trust any line?

  4. disqus_Gs5bTj2xpF
    disqus_Gs5bTj2xpF
    October 2, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Might as well go full Ghost Stories

  5. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    October 2, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    So what your telling us Funimation, is that we would essentially have to boycott the DVD/Blue-Ray release before you take any of the complaints seriously?

  6. Hangmen13
    Hangmen13
    October 2, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Prison School still sits in my anime backlogs, though I certainly will be watching it on English subtitles rather than English dubbing.

  7. Narmy
    Narmy
    October 2, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    I think the people involved should be fired simply for the way they treat their customers on twitter. They are very unprofessional.

  8. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    October 2, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    Pretty sure if someone is watching Prison School, they aren’t gonna give a shit about your political quips. Why the writer thought it was funny, or even appropriate, is beyond me.

    I mean, GG isn’t even that much of a thing in Japan, is it? So it already doesn’t make sense in the context of the show’s location. Secondly, people who watch a lot of anime understand the whole “you respect your superiors without question” ideal, so the original line made perfect sense.

    Fucking translators taking it upon themselves to decide what we should hear.

  9. csgardner
    csgardner
    October 2, 2015 at 7:15 pm

    I would say the primary sin is that it’s not funny. Context is important in comedy, and this line lacks any context.

  10. King of Bros
    King of Bros
    October 2, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    Nice vid.
    I r8 8/8

  11. Joseph Guzman
    Joseph Guzman
    October 2, 2015 at 7:18 pm

    What a cop-out.

  12. Domhnall
    Domhnall
    October 2, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    I’d prefer a straight translation, but yeah, if you’re going to throw in random shit then don’t half-ass it. Go whole hog.

  13. Spikey Buddy ^-.-^n
    Spikey Buddy ^-.-^n
    October 2, 2015 at 7:20 pm

    I’m more concerned with them following the original script as closely as they can, but that shot at GamerGate was not only unnecessary, but I can see the dub line flying over the heads of those who don’t know what GamerGate is.

    I’m not satisfied with Funimation’s response at all. This isn’t the first time they’ve deviated off the script with their anime. I found their work on Shin-chan and Detective Conan to be abysmal, especially with Shin-chan. They just turned the entire show into some sort of pop culture referencing joke.

    I guess I’m not buying any DVDs with Funimation’s logo plastered on the case.

  14. Cy
    Cy
    October 2, 2015 at 7:20 pm

    I get localization (though I think things like taking out honorifics and other well known Japanese cultural things for western audiences is stupid and kind of insulting, since it’s basically telling us we’re too “western” or “white” to understand other cultures) but this is just the writer inserting his own personal opinion into an anime. It would be no different than if I was translating the same line and said “You got a stick up your ass, or are you one of those retarded SJW’s?” (also, the idea that GG, the people fighting *against* censorship is the side with a stick up their ass just shows how much he doesn’t understand GG or the broader culture war at all) Neither one is acceptable, because it’s turning the character into a mouthpiece for a writer who didn’t actually create the character, the setting, or anything. Not to mention it’s a needless politicization of a show that looks to be nothing more than stupid fun.

    tl;dr fuck this guy, and start boycotting any show he’s involved in translating. Maybe then companies will start paying attention to what their writers do to the shows they localize.

  15. Logo2012
    Logo2012
    October 2, 2015 at 7:20 pm

    I think Taliesin Jaffe does a pretty good job. His writing in Hellsing: Ultimate was top notch.

  16. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    October 2, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    Orgiinal comment: “Funimation is stupid if they take no action. Redub the line, it was a line that needed no localization and shows contempt for you audience”

    If my comment was translated bu Funimation: “No respect Rodney Dangerfield. Are you one of them UKIP creeps, praise Obama!”

  17. Zoopditto
    Zoopditto
    October 2, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    All politics aside, it should be obvious that shoving in a current and niche event in there is very stupid.
    Even among anime viewers a part of them don’t know/care about the affair. And if people a year from now want to watch it, they probably won’t get it either.

    This just shows how little the translator care about his job and the source material. Either that or he’s completely incompetent. Either way this guy needs to be fired.

  18. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    October 2, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    Behead those who defile Nipponese works!

    But seriously, how do we get rid of these elitist San Franciscan who think they are better writers than the original creator that have somehow weasled their way into the bottleneck of foreign culture entering the west in order to force it to suit their views?

  19. popehentai
    popehentai
    October 2, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    I’ve actually found shin-chan funnier subbed. Hell the euro dub from when it aired in the U.K. is funny as hell and its a lot closer of a translation.

  20. Original_Outcast
    Original_Outcast
    October 2, 2015 at 7:27 pm

    Who wants to make a Change.org Petition to strike back at Funimation’s Incompetence?

  21. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    October 2, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    Only things that need localization are pretty cultural specific things, like translation bancho as gang leader of gang boss. Same thing with accents and/or stereotypes that a culture uses to represent foreigners or people from certain regions (Osakan characters having an accent).
    Plus yeah referencing individuals should be changed if the audience doesn’t know them. Inside out had a weird localization example where they changed the game the dad was watching in his mind depending on the region.

  22. Mildra
    Mildra
    October 2, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    When this broke on twitter, I made a minor rant about why just ‘referencing’ something isn’t funny, using SeltzerBurg movies as my example. I’ll summarize the gist of my rant here; I’m not annoyed at the mention of gamergate in this light…I’m annoyed because it was a lazy joke that was proud of itself. It’s bad comedy, and GG being a topical matter does not excuse bad comedy.
    (an example of poking fun at GG that I actually thought was funny was PopArena’s jab in his Eliminst chronicles review, for the record)

    That said, there was a right way and a wrong way to react to this sort of criticism…tyson chose the wrong/Bioware way to do it by antagonizing his own critics. You don’t put in shit like “it was one line you nerds” and expect people to just nod.

    As for Funimation’s response, there’s not much else to say besides “corporate letter”. I doubt anything will really come of this….but I do ponder how the reaction would be if the Tumblr crowd raised such a stink?

  23. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 2, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    It’s things like that that make me avoid all dubbed entertainment, I also looked the dude up and found out he was a VA in the Steins Gate VN which I was about to buy for the Vita. I’m just gonna wait for that until I more proficient in Japanese. I don’t hold someone’s personal politics against them when buying a product, but when you show yourself to be the type of person who injects it where politics are not present, then I will not support anything you touch.

  24. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    October 2, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    Why would you use anime, especially one like Prison School to spread propaganda?
    Oh wait, SJWs don’t give a shit about anime, they just want to spread their “enlightened” opinion everywhere regardless of the consequences and Kafkatrap and DAVRO everything when people call them out.

    Still pretty shit job and life if you are stuck working with “sexist and regressive” cartoons that you hate.

  25. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    October 2, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    Tumblr crowd tend to actually have connections plus with their Usain Bolt speed at tweeting (because that’s what they do half of the day) they can stink up and force change more easily. Doesn’t help they don’t have scruples and will doxx everything at the first sign of resistance and dissent.

  26. Syndromic
    Syndromic
    October 2, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    Funimation it’s up to you how the future is going to be.

  27. Ryan Barrett
    Ryan Barrett
    October 2, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    *script writers around the table*

    “Prison School is HUGE hit! How can we get some more publicity and outreach for this show?”
    “How about referencing GamerGate? That’ll be sure to rile things up amongst the fans”
    “BRILLIANT!” DO IT.”
    “Done. I know just the place.”

    And history was made.

  28. wombat
    wombat
    October 2, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    Be sure to tell the company making Steins;Gate why you’re not buying it. It helps.

  29. Andrew
    Andrew
    October 2, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    This is clearly unprofessional. And if someone is going to go full ideological as to throw away their personal credibility like this just shows how far this nonsense has spread. Funimation has taken a big hit with this.

  30. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    October 2, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    For some reason since the Adam Orth stuff, company employees that act unprofessional and hurt the company are given leeway. Might be because of the: “Angry, unreasonable internet mob” strawman created by the media for clickbait and other nefarious purposes.

  31. Miguel Vidal
    Miguel Vidal
    October 2, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    That’s what happens when you scrubs watch dubbed anime.
    Subtitles are the true way to respect the essence of the original as much as possible.

  32. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    October 2, 2015 at 7:38 pm

    Or maybe he is trying to purposefully ruin the show by inserting his propaganda. This way in his own twisted mind he would’ve saved those poor women threatened by animated boobs. By the ways things are going any problematic content will soon be considered cyber violence.

  33. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    October 2, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    Jesus. I just read went through a small portion of the writer’s twitter. It’s all the typical “LOL U R so mad!” and other generic cop-outs intellectually dishonest frauds use.

  34. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    October 2, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    I’m not exactly one to care about dub changes myself, unless of course they’re downright poorly done or stupid.

    This on the other hand is a bullshit excuse. Worse yet he’s not the only one claiming its justified due to his job being to adapt lines.

    “or are you one of those dumbass GamerGate creepshows”

    That has nothing to do with respecting your superiors, not a single thing. Its only a “joke” if you actually agree with the sentiment behind it too.

  35. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    October 2, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    What the hell is wrong with the fat one’s face!?

  36. inquisitormcsagington
    inquisitormcsagington
    October 2, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    Further evidence that Fan Subs Superior
    Official dubs-Inferior

  37. Misogynerd
    Misogynerd
    October 2, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    So if he had this way the dub would just be lip syncing the characters to Tumblr posts about how “Gross, I can’t even, disgusting, regressive” Prison School is? To ruin the show’s reputation.
    Please problematic content is already cyber violence, like a Youtube video. Just worry when cyber violence is equal to child murder ;)

  38. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    October 2, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    In context, the girl saying it was part of the underground student council, which is a man hating group. It makes sense that the character would use that as an insult if you go by pop culture references.

    It wasnt a slight against Gamergate. I mean look at Ultimate Otaku Teacher. They shit on SJWs in 1 line, actually mentioning SJW.

  39. sanic
    sanic
    October 2, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    There will be times when a joke or reference won’t be understood when put in english and a change will be needed, this was not one of them and this incompetent should not be welcome in this industry.

  40. Chino Gambino
    Chino Gambino
    October 2, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    This is why I don’t understand the point of dubs, they are rarely on par in content or performance with the Japanese versions. Unless you can’t read, which I hope isn’t the case with millions of westerners why bother going through these middle men?

    This is just another Jelly filled donut moment, the audience almost learned something about Japanese social hierarchy only to have it replaced by a reference appealing to angry regressive hipsters on the internet.

  41. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    October 2, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    I read a lot of these comments and I am seeing the same kind of reactionary BS I see the SJWs use with South Park. It seems most of you have completely disregarded the Context of the Joke and feel its an attack on Gamergate, when its obviously not.

  42. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    October 2, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    Pff. Who cares about children? There isn’t a Violence against children act. Women are far more delicate and vulnerable than children. Telling a woman (and by proxy to all women) that she sucks is a crime against humanity.

  43. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 2, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    It’s not really even that. It wasn’t in the original script. It replaced something that was not even a joke, nor needed localization as the original context would be understood by most cultures, this was just someone in a position to do something sticking it in the eye of people he disagrees with.

  44. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    October 2, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    I added that to it.

  45. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 2, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    My bad, that did not appear until after I posted.

  46. Vampok
    Vampok
    October 2, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    Changing it to this extent was completely against what a translator should be doing.

    On the other, dubs are pretty much fan-fiction most of the time anyway so it’s not like I’m gonna lose sleep over this or anything; it’s just par for the course by now (Jelly doughnuts, Tokyo tower visible in “New York”, anything by 4-Kids, etc…).

  47. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    October 2, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    Anime in general is fanfiction to the Mangas.

  48. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 2, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Soooo, he completely changed the line that was not even remotely close to the original and decided to insert his own views of Gamergate in it. I mean…it wasn’t even that funny. Did he really think this wasn’t going to go unnoticed? I’m thinking this guy just wanted the attention. Honestly, if you are going to insult Gamergate you need to try a lot harder than that because that was just fucking weak sauce, son.

  49. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 2, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    Japan absolutely gives no fucks about GG from either end and they are much better off for it.

  50. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 2, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    Sadly, money talks and bullshit walks, friend.

  51. blackice85
    blackice85
    October 2, 2015 at 7:57 pm

    “If you think rape threats against women in gaming are acceptable, I’m glad my script pissed you off. #PrisonSchool #itwasjustonelineyounerds”

    What does this even mean? The people complaining aren’t pro-gamergate (necessarily), and the character wasn’t making rape threats, so how does that apply?

  52. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 2, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    No, he’s implying that everyone that is pro-gamergate sends rape threats to women I’m guessing.

  53. Nin
    Nin
    October 2, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    I don’t really buy funimation, so I can’t really do a boycott. Usually, Sentai licenses the anime I like.

    In any case, I don’t even care about the tastelessness; Gamergate is too topical to just jam it into an anime. It’s awful writing.

  54. blackice85
    blackice85
    October 2, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Yeah, but in that case he wasn’t addressing *why* he thought that term fit in that context. Anyone who cares about accurate localization should complain about work like this, regardless of where you stand on the issue he tried to inject into the script.

  55. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    October 2, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    True, true!

  56. NuclearCherries
    NuclearCherries
    October 2, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    I hope more and more people sound off against people replacing good dialogue with absolute bullshit, as it is a stupid practice.
    If the consumer wants a foreign product in English, that is what they should receive, not some censored “original dialogue” which may even change the character of characters in the piece of media.

    This really needs to stop, and it’s up to us to stop it. Oppose censorship. Oppose original dialogue. Scripts should stick as close to the original as possible. That should be the only way, and fuck every localization company that does the exact opposite.

  57. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 2, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    Oh yes, absolutely. There is no connection NONE from the original script to the localization whatsoever. This is just a guy trying to be clever and failing big time.

  58. sanic
    sanic
    October 2, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    I looked over what I own and it was mostly sentai with funi here and there, never really paid attention before.

  59. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 2, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    Yeah but at least the South Park episodes are more cleverly done. This guy, to me, is just LOL GAMERGATE INSULT LOL. And it had nothing to do with the script. Though I see your point. To me its also less about GG and more about a guy that is just a very bad localization writer.

  60. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 2, 2015 at 8:09 pm

    Well…..I gues it sorta makes sense? But you look at this guy’s Twitter and you know why he added in this line.

  61. Nin
    Nin
    October 2, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    Sentai tends to license more niche anime; Funimation goes for more mainstream anime.

  62. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 2, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    “In creating English dubs over the past 20+ years, FUNimation has
    always modified each Japanese script to appeal to Western audiences.
    This ensures that North American audiences can enjoy a high-quality
    viewing experience regardless of their familiarity with Japanese
    culture.”

    The fun part? I think the average weeaboo buying this is much more likely to be well acquainted with japanese culture than with Gamergate. Also, if GG fizzles out, anyone buying this in the future is stuck with a reference to something they most likely never heard about.

    This is why I think its such a bad idea to insert epic meems or pop culture references in general (unless the latter was already used in the original) in localizations. All you manage to do is to kill the future-proofing of your work, as well as potentially distancing the end result from the original authorial intent. Thank the Emperor for fansubs*!

    * – except for memecartel garbage

  63. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 2, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    Should have used the nyaa banner.

  64. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    October 2, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    I looked at the guy and spoke with him. He doesnt follow the “usual suspects”.

  65. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 2, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    Japan is too busy fighting the Loli Wars.

  66. Reon
    Reon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    this is another reason why translations > localizations
    if you are a fan of it, whatever show or foreign property, you don’t need some stranger middleman to eat it and chew it back for you
    you just need to break through the language barrier

    also another reason why fan translations are almost always better than official localizaitons

  67. Dammage
    Dammage
    October 2, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    Time to learn Japanese guys! Don’t forget today’s Anki reps

  68. cool_boy_mew
    cool_boy_mew
    October 2, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    Don’t just boycott, also tell them why you’re doing so by sending an e-mail

    There needs to be an OP about this

  69. Reon
    Reon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    indeed their reactions were worse than the dub
    if they thought it was fitting or funny, fine, that’s a bad translation
    but when they start flaming the fans that proves 1 they did it for politics and 2 they suck at customer service

  70. dogmentation
    dogmentation
    October 2, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    So I guess gamergate is tangentially video game related? Maybe?
    Because the Prison School anime certainly isn’t.

    Articles about ridiculous internet drama are why I stopped going to Kotaku — I just want a site where I can read video game news, not anime reviews or editorial social commentary designed to drum up controversy.

  71. alto_angelo
    alto_angelo
    October 2, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    Make sure you tell the company about it. Also, focus on poor treatment of customer to them

    Injecting politics and hijacking someone’s product is wrong, treating your customer like a shit is the worst

  72. Whito Dev
    Whito Dev
    October 2, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    VIDEOGAMES

  73. Tyrannikos
    Tyrannikos
    October 2, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    I wish our industry had never reached the point where GG was needed.

  74. Zac B.
    Zac B.
    October 2, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    Fucking hate these agenda pushing cucks.

  75. mrwizeass
    mrwizeass
    October 2, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    Ikr! Do the higher-ups not realize letting your employees slide on shitting on your customers seriously hurts the bottom line?

  76. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    October 2, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    Very true.

  77. orbo
    orbo
    October 2, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    This isn’t even about whether you support GG or not, this is people working on the english dub that decided to remove a line so that they could insert a line which is not only completely different and unrelated to the original line, but is shoehorning their personal political view into the show.

    Like, imagine if Card Captor Sakura in the english dub suddenly went on a rant about Bill Clinton getting a blowjob.
    That’s so far out of left field for the show and would never fly, as well as being completely pointless to bring up in.

    Even if funimation is known for their less than quality localization work, something like this should be enough to get outright fired.

  78. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    Yeah, nyaa does have better seeders for some anime. Sometimes even better listings.
    That’s what it’s best at after all.

  79. Nagato
    Nagato
    October 2, 2015 at 8:45 pm

    Well, that can be arranged~

  80. Phasmatis75
    Phasmatis75
    October 2, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    Simple, boycott Funimation till they fire him, issue a proper apology, and improve their writing. Don’t buy their products, watch fan subs (which are way better).

  81. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    That’s true, one thing that especially disgusted me was his whole #itwasonelineyounerds. I love how these progressives try to claim nerd credentials, yet when those same nerds call them out it becomes derogatory.

  82. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Well, their recent dubs hasn’t been anything more than mediocre. It figures they’ll hire at least one guy with an agenda.

  83. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    It’s been pretty obvious from the beginning most of these ‘nerds’ were cut from the same cloth as those who used to shove kids in lockers.

    Only now they’re using twitter. Good god.

  84. Hey
    Hey
    October 2, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    All this does is reinforce the idea that dubs are awful, written by incompetent idiots, and are inaccurate representations of the show.

    Thankfully, I don’t watch dubs so I don’t give much of a shit.

  85. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    Cowboy Bebop, Trigun and FMA:Brotherhood.

    #NotAllDubs

  86. Boku
    Boku
    October 2, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    It still baffles me how or why these sorts of people get jobs where they not only dislike their audience, but are willing to go out of their way to take pot shots at the people they know will be very willing to not just call them out on it but do something further, be it level a complaint or initiate a boycott.

    Something like Prison School isn’t exactly one of the more mainstream of series’ either. All this has done is take what was a niche audience and riled and alienated them. The least Funimation could have done was flat out apologise to at least try and restore faith, but they seem pretty happy to wave it off and cut an already small audience down further.

    Bold plan — I’ll give them that — let’s see how it pays off.

  87. Hey
    Hey
    October 2, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    Are all dubs from a bygone era. A time where a company didn’t shove dubs out the door to try and match the timing of the show airing in Japan. They’re choosing to skimp on quality to push quantity.

    There are dubs for shows I wouldn’t have even watched subbed because they were so awful, shows that people generally agreed were the worst of the season.

  88. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    October 2, 2015 at 8:57 pm

    It’s quite funny how an anime that offends every single sensibility an SJW will have is being translated into English by an SJW cuck out for internet fame.

    Just goes to show you how deep the rot has gotten. I’m not even half-surprised if it turns out a majority of everyone’s favorite VAs are insane.

  89. Siveon
    Siveon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Was FMA:Brotherhood that old? ~2008 right?

    You might be right, though. I haven’t seen a recent dub in a while. There was Kill la Kill but that wasn’t anything special.

  90. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 2, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    It really is amazing how fast the culture can change to be honest.

  91. RincewindtheMad
    RincewindtheMad
    October 2, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    I disagree with “fire him” cause he has his opinion and while stupid he thought it was a good natured ribbing. However, money fucking talks and I doubt many weebs will buy their DVDs in the first place even more so now. I’d be pissed if they would have pushed a conservative agenda aswell. Hell Vic Mignogta has been rather dickish when it comes to gays and lesbians, but it’s his opinion and if he was injecting his politics into his voice role it would also be an issue. Thankfully he doesn’t and more to the point cant. He doesn’t have to lose his job, just cause he was a knob, but he should atleast say “hey sorry bout this, wont happen again” and we can move on.

  92. deadeye
    deadeye
    October 2, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    I’m fine with modifying scripts. Japanese doesn’t always translate well into english. And there’s phrases, colloquialisms, cultural jokes, and other assorted things that won’t make much sense in english. You also have to take into account that you want the dialogue to feel
    natural for english speakers. You get a better quality dub that way.
    I’ve listened to dubs that opted for a more…literal translation, and I
    just can’t listen to it. I’m fine with modifications so long as the original intent, personality of the characters, and overall story and tone of the show are preserved.

    I don’t see any attempt at preserving anything in the original script. All I see is just shoehorning in a bad joke.

    Really, I’m more upset at just that than the actual content of the joke. I don’t really care if someone makes a jab at gamergate. But it’s just not appropriate to the scene or from the looks of it, even the character.

    I find Funimation in general often just tries too hard to make the writing “cool” to appeal to kids and teens. Just kook how they put in completely unnecessary expletives.

  93. Hey
    Hey
    October 2, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    I don’t know if 2008 is “old” but it certainly doesn’t feel recent. 7 years is a significant amount of time. Things are just different now. Different doesn’t always mean bad but there’s a very clearly marked decline in quality and its been there for at least a few years now.

    Like I said above, I don’t mind it because I don’t pay attention to the dubbing industry outside of when its outright shitting up things I like (i.e. the fact that Atlus USA REFUSES to use either dual audio despite the fact that less well-off localization companies do it all the time).

  94. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    October 2, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    loli wars ?

  95. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 2, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    I could see your line of thinking in a way, but it was not most certainly good natured ribbing. While I don’t follow GG he pretty much came out saying he was glad it offended those people because he thought they wanted women they disagreed with to get rapped. He accused them of horrible things and then proceeded to slander other. Not good natured at all.

  96. AstroNerdBoy
    AstroNerdBoy
    October 2, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    One of the reasons I’m not an anime dub person is because too often, dub writers would insert stuff into the scene that had zero relation to the original script. It gets worse though when the subtitles don’t match what was actually said in the Japanese. But these writers and adapters think they need to make their mark on things and screw anyone who wants something faithful to the original script.

  97. AstroNerdBoy
    AstroNerdBoy
    October 2, 2015 at 9:14 pm

    Topical humor is always the worst due to its very limited shelf life.

    “This just shows how little the translator care about his job and the
    source material. Either that or he’s completely incompetent. Either way
    this guy needs to be fired.”

    It wasn’t the translator. It was the dub script writer. There’s a difference.

  98. AstroNerdBoy
    AstroNerdBoy
    October 2, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    And sadly, while years ago, their subtitles used to be among the best, that disappeared when they got bought out and became a publicly traded company. I think I only know one person from the good old days who still works at FUNimation.

  99. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 2, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    Gov’ tryna take their babies away.

  100. Whito Dev
    Whito Dev
    October 2, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    So it’s funny when south park makes fun of the social justice movement, but when your animes makes fun of gamergate then it’s awful and should be banned?

  101. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    October 2, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    Cheap tumbler/DA labor at work.

  102. AstroNerdBoy
    AstroNerdBoy
    October 2, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    For dubs, I decided years ago that since I was never going to watch them, they could remove honorifics there, providing they left them in the subtitles and kept the subtitles accurate. FUNimation used to have the best subs in the business years ago, but when they got bought out and become part of a publicly traded company, they stopped being about fans and just became about “business” (whether it made sense or not).

  103. AstroNerdBoy
    AstroNerdBoy
    October 2, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    I haven’t watched South Park in years so… :-P

  104. Io
    Io
    October 2, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    That’s not the issue here. People are angry because this line is completely different than the original, and all it is is the translator shoving their beliefs into a show where most of the viewers probably won’t even understand the reference. It’s just very unprofessional and shows how little they care for the original script.

  105. JustaGuest
    JustaGuest
    October 2, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    The shitstorm wasn’t about making fun about gamergate, it was about disrespecting the source material to shove in pointless political agendas.

  106. Boku
    Boku
    October 2, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    It wasn’t even a rib. It was just a really out of context reference drop, designed to pointlessly agitate if the writers feelings on the matter are anything to go by. Had the characters been talking about journalism, ethics or even if he had been defensible after something then I could have seen the reference being potent.

    But they weren’t. It was a complete non sequitur. That’s the problem here, not that they used the name at all.

  107. AstroNerdBoy
    AstroNerdBoy
    October 2, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    Heh. Cardcaptors may not have gotten political, but it is a prime example of a dub that has little to do with the original script.

  108. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    October 2, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    I hope they lose then i love then lolis

  109. AstroNerdBoy
    AstroNerdBoy
    October 2, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    All of the good people have mostly left FUNimation.

  110. Hey
    Hey
    October 2, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    When South Park gets dubbed in Japanese and they add some stupid reference to an online phenomenon that will wind up dated in a few years then you can make that analogy.

    The job is to translate and localize the show ACCURATELY. Not insert your own views and idiocy.

  111. E M P
    E M P
    October 2, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    Friendly reminder to support your favorite fansub group.

  112. BladeRunner
    BladeRunner
    October 2, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    I don’t understand why you wouldn’t purchase the VN. True, he was the VA for Daru in the anime, but the VN has no dub and Funimation had nothing to do with the localization. The PC version was localized by Jast and the Vita and PS3 versions were localized by PQube.

  113. Hey
    Hey
    October 2, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    But EveTaku is dead now ;__;

  114. King of Zeroes
    King of Zeroes
    October 2, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    I don’t like advocating for piracy. But this? This changes that.

    I would feel bad telling people to rip off content creators if they enjoy that content. But these people aren’t content creators. They take content that already exists, and put it through a grinder. They’re butchers. And their meat is rancid.

    If Funimation doesn’t want to discipline its employees, just don’t buy it. Get it for free. Contribute to the fan community that translates anime and manga for free so that an english speaking audience can enjoy it. These are people who do what they do purely for the love of the medium. Give THEM the support.

    If Funimation thinks it’s fine to let their staff spit on anime fans, anime fans will get their fix elsewhere.

    It’s not like they offer a superior product.

  115. TeLin特林
    TeLin特林
    October 2, 2015 at 9:51 pm

    As much as I feel the “dub writer” is a fool…not sure I feel we should be screaming for the guy’s job.

    The the same shit sjw’s do.

    Tell them to knock that shit off in the future funimation. Or don’t and let the fans boycott or whatnot.

    But just firing won’t do much if they don’t give a shit what they put in the dub to begin with.

  116. Michael Richardson
    Michael Richardson
    October 2, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    Too bad. I thought Prison School was great fun, but there’s no way in hell I’m supporting a video release when the translation is being twisted like this to make a stupid political point.

  117. rBeowulf
    rBeowulf
    October 2, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    And that is why I never pay for anime, and only pirate fansubs.

    Fuck this kind of shit.

  118. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    October 2, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    SJWs scream for people’s job (at companies they aren’t the target audience of) because they said something politically wrong with no concern for job performance.

    This is calling for his job BECAUSE HE SUCKS AT IT and purposefully attacks the people the products are aimed at.

  119. TeLin特林
    TeLin特林
    October 2, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    Yeah good point about his Twitter exchanges.

  120. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    October 2, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    “FUNimation has always modified each Japanese script to appeal to
    Western audiences. This ensures that North American audiences can enjoy a high-quality viewing experience regardless of their familiarity with
    Japanese culture.”

    What could possibly go wrong with that approach?

  121. orbo
    orbo
    October 2, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    Granted. I admit I should have picked another show that doesn’t outright butcher the source material like The Card Captors does (the english dub turned it into an entirely different show, in more than one way including rearranging the order that the episodes aired in.) but they still didn’t do crap like this.
    It was an attempt to make the show more appealing to boys, and though I can’t recommend that localization over the japanese original, at least it doesn’t have a random scene with the group breaking the fourth wall to talk about what current real world events offend their mouthpieces.

  122. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 2, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    gamergate
    has nothing to do with that situation or that scene that is playing.
    femenist hijack gamergate and made into a misogynistic excuse against men, while in actually Gamergate was about integrity off game
    journalism and bias opinions off blogs and game news website.

    femenist
    just hijiacked it cause off Zoe quinn got a lot off hate for possibly
    banging a kotaku reporter to get her own game good ratings.

    https://www.change.org/p/atlus-jp-atlus-usa-persona-5-dual-audio-for-english-translation?recruiter=120718070&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-no_msg&fb_ref=Default

  123. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 2, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    Prudes have been attacking lolicon anime and manga in Japan for some time now, even lobbying to make it illegal.

  124. DeusEx
    DeusEx
    October 2, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    The only things that should be muddled with are words and phrases that get lost in translation. Like puns. Anything else is fucking retarded and should stop.

  125. Hey
    Hey
    October 2, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    >high-quality

    Nothing says high-quality like hashtag references and memes!

  126. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    October 2, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    It wasn’t a translator, that requires actual effort to get a job doing (one of Funimations translators is the guy behind the Mother 3 translation, no idea if he did the raw script for this though).

    No, the smartass who did this was an EDITOR. While an important job (Nipponese has its fair share quirks that require rewriting to avoid losing information and looking weird in English. It can’t be helped.) and there are good ones, it has FAR lower qualifications required

  127. Truck
    Truck
    October 2, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    Dubs are superior, huh?

  128. Lea Pastillaroja
    Lea Pastillaroja
    October 2, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    Smallfry pleb wanna make it to the big leagues by bitching about GG…
    Top kek. GG is neither group, nor idea, nor website, it’s a # atached to information certain elite groups find inconvenient to be spread.
    Just merely throwing the word Gamergate is harmfull for anyone who is against it:

  129. landlock
    landlock
    October 2, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    To be honest though an anime like Prison School works so much better in a language you can understand and I don’t usually watch dubs.

  130. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 2, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    Good thing the internet is still the internet for now, so we can bypass the idiocy in full and never lay a cent on this tripe.

  131. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 2, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    Over a year… It’s over a year and they STILL can’t live it down: the day the silent majority shouted in their ears.

    Anita took it to the UN, and now Funimation is telling us to piss-off while one of it’s hacks hacks away at the script to a bizarre anime.

    What’s most offensive about all this, though, is that Funimation genuinely thought it was acceptable and will not outright fire and expel a translator who genuinely wrote in an Arthur Fonzarelli reference.

    People who turn my anime into Family Guy deserve no careers…

  132. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 2, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    HA!haha

  133. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 2, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    Very good point. I always say: everything the West has to deal with regarding the poison of the Hard Left/Leftists, the East has to deal with regarding bludgeoning by the Hard Right

  134. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 2, 2015 at 10:47 pm

    I think piratebay will get the point across easier. Plus with how useful nyaa is, would you really want to draw unwanted attention to it?

  135. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    October 2, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    I must have misread then, I assumed he was the VA in the Vn as well, if that is not the case then excellent.

  136. Nin
    Nin
    October 2, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    Bakabt already sold their soul to Funimation, no need to force nyaa to do it.

  137. bdp
    bdp
    October 2, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    Isn’t shin-chan so rooted in japanese culture that a straight translation would result in a really dry script?

  138. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    October 2, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    His response was “If you think rape threats against women in gaming are acceptable,
    I’m glad my script pissed you off. #PrisonSchool
    #itwasjustonelineyounerds”

    So yeah, in that context it was. He insinuated Gamergate is pro-rape, not to mention women haters if he’s going by the usual stigma.

    There wasn’t even an insult in the original line to begin with, basically just telling someone to be quite and mind their place. Gamergate had no place in that, not as an insult, or anything else. An adaptation would be changing “2nd year” to “upperclassmen”.

  139. Koiyuki
    Koiyuki
    October 2, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    Do better. Create superior content. Contribute to the fandom in meaningful ways, like through fan translations, fan dubs, blogs and more.

    The people you detest were mere fans once, too. They supplanted their old guard, and you can supplant them

  140. Dreamkeepers
    Dreamkeepers
    October 2, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    Translators should aspire to faithful translations, and perhaps save their comedy gems for open-mic night.

    Rewriting lines with non-relevant inflammatory material seems to be, at best, dismissive towards the actual original writers. I don’t imagine they’d be thrilled to hear their creation is being used as a vehicle for someone else’s ham-fisted commentary.

  141. Fenrir7
    Fenrir7
    October 2, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    Man, the way Tyson referenced a 40 year old sitcom like that was pure genius! I wouldn’t want to get into an argument with this silver tongued devil! No, sir!

  142. GonzoLewd
    GonzoLewd
    October 2, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    Bakabt at least has shows seeded that were released before 2013

  143. Maria Maasaa
    Maria Maasaa
    October 2, 2015 at 11:40 pm

    Did he not realize that SJWs aren’t watching Prison School? And that adding that line won’t make them support it after seeing what it is? He’s just losing fans for the company.

  144. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 2, 2015 at 11:45 pm

    It’s a good day to be a pirate.

  145. ThatGuy
    ThatGuy
    October 2, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    This really reminds me about the one line they did on Highschool of the dead, when they referenced Sarah “fucking” Palin when they seen all the guns the one nurse women friend had.

    But at least that was funny, but it was still a crappy reference.

  146. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 2, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    High School of the Dead is a Sentai Filmworks title unless you meant High School DxD which is Funimation.

  147. Bill Pepper
    Bill Pepper
    October 2, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    That line is irrelevant and bad, the translation sounds much better.

    It’s a good thing no one watches dubs anyway.

  148. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 2, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    Tons of people do, myself included! Though it doesn’t make this change any less stupid.

  149. Bill Pepper
    Bill Pepper
    October 2, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    I won’t bully you, this time.

  150. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 2, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    No need to bully, both sides can coexist peacefully ;D

  151. ThatGuy
    ThatGuy
    October 2, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    Oh, still relevant though.

  152. OverlordZetta
    OverlordZetta
    October 2, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    Honestly I’m just sad this kind of thing is what brings attention to this issue when we have game franchises that have been getting localizations plagued by this kind of thing for years.

    Not defending this at all, but at least this is just one line compared to a whole scene, character, or even game’s worth of dialogue – the fact that people watched the dub long enough to the point this even came up puts it ahead of some games.

    Then again, maybe I’m just getting bitter.

  153. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 3, 2015 at 12:04 am

    As a massive anime buyer, collector, and someone who prefers dubs
    every time Funimation should know better in this case. There was nothing
    to gain in this case and by reading many comments the opposite of a
    gain was achieved. There have been many fantastic dubs released by
    Funimation in my opinion and they didn’t need to resort to adding in
    western specific “Events” or “Politics” or however you’d describe them.

    Likethe article states there is a difference between localization and translation, I’m one who is not very fond of 100% direct Japanese translated into English because many times it comes off as awkward,
    however even when you compare the original line to the one shown in the video it is clear that it’s not a translation but a complete change of
    the script.

    With all that said I wonder what Funimation will do, and if any changes will come when the bluray sets release. Others have mentioned that they will be boycotting the release if its left as is but I love Funimation too much and its dubs to just outright boycott them but this is something that they can’t be doing in the future so I sincerely hope they take all this feedback and actually put it to good use and don’t let specific writers and such have free reign on imputing their own agendas.

  154. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 3, 2015 at 12:30 am

    They all know about it. Even the japanese MAG initiative had Nyaa in its report. Hell, we even joked back then that nyaa was down because of MAG and the japanese government (and some people actually believe that kek).

  155. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 3, 2015 at 12:33 am

    Amongst other things, yes. There was also the Tokyo Youth Ordinance Bill (Bill 156) in the past, too.

  156. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 3, 2015 at 12:34 am

    It doesn’t even have the nostalgia effect of a gag made with an old game on an old console or something like that.

  157. Reon
    Reon
    October 3, 2015 at 12:35 am

    testify brother
    they keep trying to bring the people down
    but the people are tired of being told to shut up, being told what to do, and what to think and being told what to believe

    the silent majority is silent no more and they can haveanita in the UN, the media, the president, they can bring whoever they want and it won’t matter, they can’t silence the rest of the world

  158. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 3, 2015 at 12:37 am

    Didn’t part of the staff move over to Vivid?

  159. landlock
    landlock
    October 3, 2015 at 12:55 am

    it actually fitted the scene ok, even made me smile. dubs have been less then faithful for years. Anyone remember ADV’s Ghost Stories dub?

  160. Nitesco
    Nitesco
    October 3, 2015 at 12:56 am

    While I’m not watching the English dub of Prison School, nor do I have any stake in Gamergate, I think this situation is fucking stupid just for how cringe and needless it is.

    For one, the line itself is REALLY out of place for a lot of reasons. Yes, Anzu’s original line has nothing to do with what was said in the English dub, and that line is going to date the show. And it’s not like that particular dialogue needed to be punched up. But on top of that, GG is very much a Western thing, so shoehorning that into a show that’s obviously set in Japan regardless of localization makes even less sense. You can see that Anzu herself is a gamer, but why would she give a shit about video game politics that emerged from the US?

    Also, this isn’t exactly the type of property where such a line would fit in any case. Prison School is as gleefully disconnected from reality as much as possible, and that’s a big part of why I think it’s so fun. There’s little in the way of morals or politics here, and I doubt fans want to see either being inserted. People can watch something else if they want that.

    By token, the people that this line would appeal to sure as fuck wouldn’t be watching Prison School, period. Have you seen the amount of tits and ass on this show? And BEFORE Episode 7? You could picture people trying to fit in the words “problematic”, “toxic”, and “gross” as many times as possible into angry blog posts. The clash with the intention of this line and PS’s overall tone is hilarious.

    Then you’ve got Tyson doubling down on Twitter, endorsing his line while bringing up “rape threats” in response and later insulting people that watch the show. His response to the response makes the inclusion of the line look that much more selfish, short-sighted, and petty.

    So watching Prison School getting dragged into Gamergate stuff when it had nothing to do with it otherwise, thanks to a writer wanting to be THAT GUY by shit stirring, doesn’t sit right with me. Not really surprised by Funimation’s “hands off” response, either. They probably just gave him a stern talking to and a slap on the wrist. I’m sure Funi would rather everyone forget that it ever happened, but the damage is already done. What a waste of time.

  161. Yabloko Molloco San
    Yabloko Molloco San
    October 3, 2015 at 1:01 am

    I’d try to avoid quoting trends if one’s going to write for translations and dub.

  162. uncle_alfred
    uncle_alfred
    October 3, 2015 at 1:38 am

    What was even the point of that change in the script?
    It’s not even about video games, just a some japanese respect the senior bullshit.

  163. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 3, 2015 at 1:44 am

    Oh sure. Make it harder for these sites to stick around. Brilliant plan guys.

  164. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 3, 2015 at 1:46 am

    Only WW3 can save us.

  165. Maiq TheLiar
    Maiq TheLiar
    October 3, 2015 at 1:49 am

    Needs to be fired. Not just for deviating so wildly from the source material but for budging in his own retarded agenda and using his employer as a pulpit from which to spit incendiary shit for a few e-fame points. What a loser.

  166. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 3, 2015 at 1:53 am

    He did me a favor. Now there’s no reason for me not to pirate anime.

  167. Hrist
    Hrist
    October 3, 2015 at 2:06 am

    Ahaha, what? Glad I don’t bother with dubs.

  168. Barret Somerville
    Barret Somerville
    October 3, 2015 at 2:20 am

    This is precisely why localization pisses me off, because people can take to it as liberally as they please, changing the original context.

  169. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    October 3, 2015 at 2:52 am

    When it comes down to it, this isnt about FUNimation (passive aggressively) bashing GG or adding in an outdated fictional character from a 70’s sitcom. This is just another example of why dubs in anime and the people who work on the dubs get a bad rap within the anime fandom. If even FUNimation can’t be bothered to own up and put in the effort into preserving the stories the original Japanese creators intended, why bother paying for the shows these dubbing companies bring in when we can just get the fansubs for free. At least then the fansubs are mostly more accurate than the likes of FUNimation care to put in.

  170. Bedarb
    Bedarb
    October 3, 2015 at 3:53 am

    Obviously, personal opinions, preferences, & politics have no place in a dub. As small as this is, this particular example looks like misappropriation of someone else’s IP for unprofessional, personal exploitation. Imagine what Nintendo would do if some v-neck wearing, starbucks sipping beta with an English major and an axe to grind fucked with their brands. That kid would be chased out of the industry in a heartbeat.

    With regards to localization in general, the best example I can think of offhand is Working Designs’ stuff in the ’90s. They inserted cheesy jokes and Western pop culture references which maybe added some flavor/personality to the original scripts but it also pissed plenty of people off, at least in hindsight. I think if you have a mediocre script to work with you can either play it safe or be blamed if you take liberties with it. If you decide to alter the source material even in a small fashion, you should never self-insert your personal drama, including social media drama. I can deal with quirky humor, if it’s good, but direct references to stupid crap in the media is too much for me or any sane adult to tolerate.

  171. Sylveria Shini
    Sylveria Shini
    October 3, 2015 at 3:54 am

    Im in agreement with Audie. I don’t think he should be fired cause he said something that was directly insulting to something I believe in, I think he should be fired because he couldn’t keep his personal politics out of his job and actively harmed the product as a result. Even if slightly, the show is now worse off because of him and if I were Funimation, I’d be concerned what else will be affected by him.

  172. Sylveria Shini
    Sylveria Shini
    October 3, 2015 at 3:58 am

    You are blatantly misrepresenting the point here. No one thinks it should be banned. However, many people now refuse to support the product because 1. It said something we found insulting and 2. The writer seems unable to keep his personal politics out of his work which caused him to betray the meaning of the line, date the show, and make it a lesser product as a result. It also brings about the concern about where else is he shoe-horning in poorly written political jabs because he isn’t professional enough to do what he should be.

  173. Zombie_Barioth
    Zombie_Barioth
    October 3, 2015 at 4:36 am

    Neither does a lot of the people who have gone against Gamergate. He’s not the first to pull the “lol, it was just a joke” card either.

    Just because he isn’t going full-on SJW tempertantrum doesn’t mean it wasn’t meant to be inflammatory.

    Regardless of where he personally stands he butchered the dub just so he could smack the beehive. He did double duty pissing off fans, so I hope this “joke” was worth getting his ass in trouble at work.

  174. Kain Yusanagi
    Kain Yusanagi
    October 3, 2015 at 4:40 am

    In short what was attempted with the “Arthur Fonzarelli” line, but failed even harder.

  175. Ninebreaker (HurtboxTV)
    Ninebreaker (HurtboxTV)
    October 3, 2015 at 4:56 am

    The writer is just terrible, that joke came out of nowhere, wasn’t funny, and doesn’t even fit in the context of the scene. Calls him a gamergate pervert and then proceeds to blush and say “it’s natural to get a little excited over a little cleavage.”

    Like you’re confusing everyone all for a “HAHA I GOT THEM GOOBERGATORS” jab that falls flat on it’s face.

  176. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    October 3, 2015 at 4:56 am

    Well, GG was our Archduke Ferdinand moment, but they squandered it away.

  177. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    October 3, 2015 at 4:59 am

    Moral of this story:Learn Japanese.

  178. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    October 3, 2015 at 5:32 am

    Man. What is with people not doing their jobs these days? Apparently Tyson Rinehart =/= Kim Davis. Need to make #BoycottFunimation and #SourceMaterialMatters trend on twitter. Gamergate was NEVER an anime issue. The fact that Tyson is abusing his power in his workplace shouldn’t be tolerated. This is pretty much the anime equivalent of spitting in your customers food at your restaurant.

  179. Dex-starr
    Dex-starr
    October 3, 2015 at 5:36 am

    Silly question here but what’s gamergate and what does that have to do with Prison School(not that I would want to watch it dubbed).

  180. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 3, 2015 at 5:55 am

    After posting my reply in this thread and going back and reading the replies of others many of them confuse me. This article states that the English dub version of the anime has had the line altered to this reference however maybe of the people voicing their complaints (They have every right to as it is a stupid change) state that they dislike dubs, watch fansubs etc… all of which is fine but if they never had any intention of watching the dub with or without this needless change why is this an issue for the people who don’t like dubs?

    I went and did a quick check on the Funi website and looked at the sub version of the episode and the quote used in this article

    “You keep talking to me like we’re on equal terms, but I’m a 2nd year. You have to address a superior more politely. Shut… up…”

    Is the exact same line that is subbed in the official funimation broadcast of the show and the DVD/Bluray release will, as well, include the official sub and Japanese audio track along with the dub.

    So that brings me back to my original question, if you can easily watch the official subbed version and never have to deal with this part being altered why are many bringing up fansubs, learning Japanese among other things? Just honestly curious because it seems like many don’t know that the official subs have no mention of it whatsoever. (And no I’m not defending funimation in this case because even as someone who prefers dubs this change is stupid)

  181. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    October 3, 2015 at 6:08 am

    Space Dandy was good if that’s your kind of stuff

  182. Spikey Buddy ^-.-^n
    Spikey Buddy ^-.-^n
    October 3, 2015 at 6:09 am

    While true, it wouldn’t have hurt them to at least either dubbed or subbed the show in it’s original script. If I remember correctly, there used to be this show called Super Milk-chan. There were two separate dubs: one that was tongue-in-cheek Americanized, the other was the original script followed as close as it could to the original Japanese script.

  183. Meittimies
    Meittimies
    October 3, 2015 at 6:10 am

    localization should follow the context of the original plot. If the point is to make a joke in the scene but you cant translate the joke to western audiences, then you figure out a similar western joke on top of it.

    This case was essentially the translator completely abandoning the original context of the line to insert his own abortive politics to it. Thats not only sloppy work, but disrespectful for the creators of the original dialogue. That is usually something you see on early 2000-era amateur subtitles, which says a lot about the quality of work of the localizer of Prison School.

  184. Spikey Buddy ^-.-^n
    Spikey Buddy ^-.-^n
    October 3, 2015 at 6:11 am

    No doubt it was a great company, but like you said, it became a publicly traded company and many of their talent went elsewhere. Off the top of my head, I know Kyle Hebert moved out of Texas to California to work for Viz.

  185. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    October 3, 2015 at 6:16 am

    I never liked english dub but these fucking sjw’s poison everything.

  186. 2501
    2501
    October 3, 2015 at 6:26 am

    Terrible, l actually like Funimation’s releases but this is completely unprofessional, botching a translation just to take a snark hit on a consumer movement that has nothing to do with anime.

    Anime fans have every right to be upset about this.

  187. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    October 3, 2015 at 6:31 am

    It’s anyone that wants to oppose the poor ethics in modern game journalism (Kotaku, Polygon, take your pick). Nichegamer is more or less a haven away from those jackasses. In other words…. It’s people fighting the power.

  188. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 6:34 am

    Shame since Ouran High School was not only an example of a great FUNimation dub, but one that used the term “Senpai”, translated necessary terms and generally had a lot of love for the source material: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_9T9nDgpY8

    It wouldn’t be challenging to think of an alternative too.

  189. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 6:41 am

    I assume that their subtitles for their official release will contain the original line and even think there is some chance that the broadcast dub may be redone (I don’t believe any of them are final products), but I don’t want to support flawed products if I have a good reason to.

    If there is the possibility of avoiding the bad stuff, see DLC for a game, that’s cool but there is less of an option with DVD/Bluray.

    I haven’t read many comments buy learning Japanese or supporting fandubs is sort of like a precaution against what FUNimation may do I suppose, both of them meaning you aren’t supporting them.

  190. evilmajikman
    evilmajikman
    October 3, 2015 at 6:43 am

    I actually personally prefer dubs. I don’t speak Japanese, so I can’t really criticize the acting or lack there of. Plus, I feel like if I’m going to read… I’d rather just read the manga. I really don’t see the point of reading and watching at the same time when I could just get a manga. I was really interested in Prison School… I haven’t been keeping up on my anime, but Prison School was definitely on my radar. I had already purchased merchandise off of amiami. This killed my hype. and I would be PISSED if I was Michiko Yokote (the script-writer of the source anime). This doesn’t just disrespect consumers, it disrespects the original script-writer. And the abuse of power disrespects the higher authority. Frankly, Tyson has no respect for anybody that is responsible for the creation of his job.

  191. CoarseHock
    CoarseHock
    October 3, 2015 at 6:44 am

    It’s sad to see a manga with such amazing art mangled in the adaption and then shit upon in translation.

    I don’t understand why people give these hacks money. Just watch the sub or read the source material.

  192. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 6:46 am

    There is a difference between a joke dub like Duel Masters which are basically going all out to make a new Canon much like an abridged series and changing only a few lines making the overall package worse.

    Being less faithful might have been better but people don’t welcome that sort of thing sort of outtakes since they usually pay money got an English take on the original content.

  193. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 3, 2015 at 6:51 am

    Oh I definitely understand not wanting to support it on the fundamentals that such a change shouldn’t happen, I was just commenting how it seems many people where saying that they dont care for dubs along with their dislike for the change and I wasn’t sure if they realized that the option to watch it in subs without the unnecessarily changes, but being mad on principle whether you like dubs or not is definitely a valid reason.

    I would be shocked if they didn’t go back an redub the line or change it for the home video release as it’s only a single line and wouldn’t take much effort at all, fan complaints for things like this though and help companies grow. Getting a little off topic but I remember a few years ago funimation was going to release an anime on bluray censored due to the content and fan backlash cause them to release it uncensored which I’m glad the fans raised a stink. I do love funimation and love their dubs but changes like this I agree don’t help anyone.

  194. landlock
    landlock
    October 3, 2015 at 6:56 am

    Seems to me that most people aren’t that upset that it’s less faithful and more to do with the fact it dared to mentioned Gamergate in a negative light from what I’ve been reading.

    It honestly had no bearing on the overall episode at all. Still a good episode, no worse then any of the others.

  195. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 3, 2015 at 6:56 am

    I agree that it lacks respect for the the original work, I admit I’m not one to care about direct translations are get mad when things are 100% faithful in translations but this case wasn’t just a simple translation but inserting a poor, unnecessary reference that didn’t really have a purpose. Though I will say that if I were you I wouldn’t lose all the hype yet, in the past Funimation has changed things due to fan outrage in the past like the to be censored anime releases, releasing uncensored after fan outcry and this is only a single line so it wouldn’t be hard at all to simply redub it for the streaming site and for the bluray/dvd release.

  196. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 7:03 am

    Can you name translations short of Ace Attorney recently which got praised for blatantly changing lines? Purists are the status quo even before they choose to nod to GamerGate (which is definitely an easy trigger for some – har har).

    I and plenty of others are mad that it simply messed up the dialogue, watching the clip and hearing about some old sitcom too. I’m the guy who is mad at changing yen to dollars in manga translations, not all people may be but yeah.

  197. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 7:07 am

    When I first heard of the changes, I thought the GG thing would be the worst offense, glad he proved me wrong by nodding to a character in a show which aired long before much of their audience were born.

    It isn’t even like he was replacing one 40 year old sitcom joke for another, which might be interesting at least.

  198. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 7:12 am

    Who are those people? I have a backlog but my favourite voices still seem to be around.

  199. S. Weasel
    S. Weasel
    October 3, 2015 at 7:13 am

    Arthur Fonzarelli? Holy shit. Er, I mean — 23 Skiddoo!

  200. Steven T.
    Steven T.
    October 3, 2015 at 7:30 am

    Speaking of Arthur Fonzarelli, I had to google that shit to remind myself that the dub is referencing the Fonz and Happy Days. I effectively had have the joke be explained to me. Wow.

  201. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 7:51 am

    Yeah, a few do seem unaware of the official sub (not that either are legal option for a Brit like me yet). I would like them to be informed, not just mad.

    FUNi have screwed up by using dialogue from a censored airing of DBZ Kai on their DVD/Bluray set (a trucker survived an attack in rhe Android saga shouting “My Truck”) before and seem to be somewhat indifferent to whatever Tyson and others may do… Still this is probably the most heat they have gotten in for a few lines in ages.

    I don’t buy that many sets nowadays thanks to a backlog of UK releases to conquer before imports, but I do read about frequent mistakes from all of the English anime localisation groups.

  202. Arbitrary
    Arbitrary
    October 3, 2015 at 8:11 am

    “This isn’t even about whether you support GG or not…”

    I absolutely disagree.

  203. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 8:37 am

    … Are all of your posts this incoherent, I should be addressing your Siliconera posts there as that is where I moderate but little of what you said is relevant to the script.

    What we know for sure is that Tyson thought the line was funny and jammed it in. I don’t mean to tell you not to write but how you write might do more harm than advance the argument.

    Sure, GG has been distorted by a lot of press and Nathan Grayson (don’t forget the journalists are the problem – they should at least be reporting misconduct or prior ties) has some history with Zoe: http://www.deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=nathan_grayson

  204. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 8:39 am

    No one ever thinks about other English speaking audiences too, like us Brits or the Aussies. We don’t expect a new dub and sub, but it isn’t like we care for their hip references and edits.

  205. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    October 3, 2015 at 8:47 am

    Rape threats against women?

    Does he only use facebook, 9GAG and twitter?

    Such a thin skin, dear lord.

  206. XERW
    XERW
    October 3, 2015 at 9:27 am

    Ain’t that the truth.

  207. Nin
    Nin
    October 3, 2015 at 9:28 am

    Horriblesubs is my favorite fan sub group.

    Wait a minute…

    In any case, fansubbing for modern anime is mostly dead. Many of the active ones tend to focus on old anime.

  208. XERW
    XERW
    October 3, 2015 at 9:30 am

    Agreed. They really need to know that treating your customers right is paramount in this (still quite niche) industry.

    Their “Be grateful we localize it guys” attitude grates me to no end these days.

  209. XERW
    XERW
    October 3, 2015 at 9:31 am

    Dammit! I’m still pretty bitter about that, and that was a long time ago! :<

  210. Ray
    Ray
    October 3, 2015 at 9:35 am

    putting aside the point of it being dated really quickly and 5% of veiwers being able to get it, who does it help/please? most of the gamergaters would be pissed that the thing there using to get away from politics mentioned there politics and the other side would probably have a similar reaction. Plus this is really out of place from what I can tell, I mean if it where a constant during the series then it’d at least make sense but from what I can tell this is just a one off line so that anyone who’d want to watch it for gamergate mockery will just be disappointed. Really all this line will do is piss off and confuse people.

  211. XERW
    XERW
    October 3, 2015 at 9:41 am

    Things like this is one of the reason I imported the original BDs from japan and just watch it with fansubbed *.ass/*.srt (Streching 12 episodes to 6 BDs is quite a dick move though)

    Expensive, I know. But it saves me from the heartache.

  212. Godmars
    Godmars
    October 3, 2015 at 9:44 am

    All I’m hearing out of this is another SJW who, now that they’ve gotten a reaction, they’re going to keep pushing until they’ve further exploded the incident, or get removed from the position to do so, in which case they’ll cause even more trouble. Especially if we’re talking about a woman.

  213. XERW
    XERW
    October 3, 2015 at 9:45 am

    “Hey! Ya’ll best be grateful we localize this show for you!”

    – Funimation

    Thank heavens for fansubs!

  214. Godmars
    Godmars
    October 3, 2015 at 9:45 am

    Hell, I watched Happy Days back in the day, and I didn’t get the Fonzie mention at first.

  215. XERW
    XERW
    October 3, 2015 at 9:49 am

    …and that’s why I only watch subs!

    Yeah, rearranging episode is above and beyond dick move.

    Anybody remember Gundam SEED’s neon sticks? :D

  216. XERW
    XERW
    October 3, 2015 at 9:50 am

    Well… SallySubs is quite decent IMO.

  217. XERW
    XERW
    October 3, 2015 at 9:53 am

    Agreed. There are some issues about localized/americanized subs (which made me cringe since I understand Japanese) vs faithful sub vs honorifics enabled subs.

    But yeah, way better than dubs anytime.

  218. Godmars
    Godmars
    October 3, 2015 at 9:56 am

    GG isn’t so much as a blip in Japan. This was about inserting negative connotation towards it in the western, public consciousness.

    As joke likely meant for SJW it’ll likely never be heard by them, aside from in the form of news like this, since they likely don’t watch such a show. Would probably ban it if they had the chance.

  219. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 3, 2015 at 9:59 am

    relevant to the script? sorry but isen’t it the script writer who is distorting the main problem here by feeding miss information in to a anime that has nothing to do with gamergate. or messing with the series orgininal purpose.

    if you mean puchinri whining about my comment on sexcism in games which i made cryptic untill she whined about the meaning behind it. and then eventually not liking what i meant with that is her problem.

    and then misusing her power to delete any comment about the explanation why the comment mattered shows the Bias nature off these video gaming site. while she was allowed to discredit me or paint me with a black brush all my comments got deleted about the reason why it mattered. hell even the femenist was allowed to spew bullshit at me without me pointing out the facts behind it.

    also do more harm? in what way are we suddently not allowed to point out things that are pushed upon us by other ppl. like how femenist are trying to make all men look like rapist or like the link i posted in siliconera about my point that got deleted about femenism that she diden’t like seeing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJfeu2IG0M

  220. Philip Weigel
    Philip Weigel
    October 3, 2015 at 10:00 am

    There’s a couple issues that the (Prison School) writer isn’t taking into account.

    1: His choice to shoehorn in something that, in no way, resembles the original material reflects BADLY on Funimation as a company, which ties into my 2nd point…

    2: The mere fact that there was this reference in this anime makes me question all of Funimation’s dubs, past, present and future. How many of them had something shoe-horned in? How many of them are bad? In effect, the writer not only tainted this dub for fans, but tainted ALL of Funimation’s dubs for all anime fans. You can’t trust Funimation to get dubs right anymore.

  221. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 3, 2015 at 10:13 am

    or are we now in a day and age we have to sugarcoat everything for the stupid, or else they might feel insulted.

    it’s the same when you adress dual audio to english dub only lovers they get butthurt just by the idea off it. so instead off sugarcoating it you’d be better off calling it out but when you do you get seen as an instigator even though it’s backed up by facts.

    and even with this article it shows how funimation isen’t even addressing the issue behind the outrage. they just ignoring it while so called addressing it basicly like how BP did with the oil spill.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u0EL_u4nvw

    and offcourse he would play it off as a joke ppl on the net aren’t that forgiving if he did it cause it was his own political view.

  222. Bianca Ann Saracino
    Bianca Ann Saracino
    October 3, 2015 at 11:08 am

    Your first point is spot on but your second point I think is a bit exaggerated, as someone who has watched many, many funimation dubs over the years, myself and plenty of people can tell you that things like this are an outlier rather then the rule, an absolutely stupid outlier but doesn’t reflect the mass majority of stuff, one stupid writer making a name for himself doesn’t invalidate the previous work of future work of other titles but it should definitely make it so funi doesn’t let another write write insert his political beliefs into other works in the future anytime soon.

  223. Breezer
    Breezer
    October 3, 2015 at 11:08 am

    Oh shit you mod Siliconera? I got banned because I expressed criticism of a game so it’s just hilarious seeing you talk about censorship

  224. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 3, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    siliconera likes to abuse it’s power a lot when you go against their view or their way off seeing things.

  225. Lex
    Lex
    October 3, 2015 at 12:16 pm

    The horse has bolted, guys. You signed off on his script.

  226. Breezer
    Breezer
    October 3, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    Yeah I noticed. Same with Gematsu. Serious hypocritical scumbag move that the guy above us is preaching anti censorship yet mods for Siliconera.

    How dare I criticise their precious nippon vidya. Us filthy gaijin don’t understand that those Japanese can never do wrong.

    Siliconera has some of the worst commentary too. Probably because they have to suck up constantly to not get banned.

  227. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 3, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    Localization is the proper course for anime and video games.

    However, Tyson Rinehart is a grade A moron. His change was not necessary in the slightest given the context, and his pathetic excuses for why he added it don’t pass muster.

    Funimation should can his dumb ass.

  228. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 3, 2015 at 12:26 pm

    Also Space Dandy. One of the rare few where the dub is BETTER than the source.

  229. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 3, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    Space Dandy.

  230. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 3, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    i got banned from gematsu for wanting duals audio in persona 5 and got flamed by a army off english dub only lovers. yet they shouted profanity at me for just debating the issue.

    siliconera is always a pain in the ass when you go and voice your honest opnion and not abide by their kiss ass policy and keep it so that there can not be a debate that the Mod doesen’t like talking about or when you criticize a game they like.

    at the last part off your comment you might be right once they threaten the ban hammer all users involved start to kiss ass.

    but with your words :Us filthy gaijin don’t understand that those Japanese can never do wrong. kinda makes me think your one off those english dub only lovers.

    i believe in criticizing things when they are out off line or you feel disatisfied as long as it’s in the sense off logic. and proves a point that would benefit us all.

  231. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 3, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    Dubbed or subbed doesn’t matter when they change the script.

  232. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 3, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    best way to watch anime is fansubs, i seriously can’t even imagine why anybody would want english dub only with distorted words it is barely the series creators wanted to show and convey.

    i’m not against english dub it’s just that the more we get english dub in our anime sooner or later they might stop including japanese unless we proof a point that it’s neccessary for anime.

  233. Breezer
    Breezer
    October 3, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    Yeah the ass kissing I’d too prominent because of the fear of being booted. Scumbag shit there.

    And about that other point. While in general I prefer dubs I also realize dual audio kicks ass. No reason to alienate a crowd you know? Have it there for people who want it.

    But God damn I would kill for dual audio on P4DAN because jesus CHRIST the new Rise is awful.

  234. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 3, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    atleast then they can say they address the situation instead off the we’re sorry bullshit.

    well atleast this show fansubs are still the way to watch anime.
    all this does is force ppl to stay with fansub downlaod instead off buying the physical formats.

  235. mrwizeass
    mrwizeass
    October 3, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    Oh yeah. Especially since funumation has been doing a really half-assed job as of late. *cough* AoT! *cough*

  236. E M P
    E M P
    October 3, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    That’s not very correct at all lol

  237. mrwizeass
    mrwizeass
    October 3, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    Loli wars?

  238. An Honest Opinion
    An Honest Opinion
    October 3, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    That’s good.

    Now email FUNimation with that, and then post it on Twitter and Facebook, get other people to take notice and say the same thing.

    I don’t even watch anime that much and I’m emailing them. Not only for taking a swipe at GG supporters, but for their copout response and the poor localization of the anime itself.

    One of my favorite video games series is Yakuza, and I really appreciate an authentic, respectful translation. I don’t like what happened here, and if it’s something that happens often with FUNimantion titles I’m surprised fans haven’t cried foul enough to put a stop to it sooner.

  239. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 3, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    Truly a beauty. Too bad they didn’t include Kenichiro Takaki in it.

  240. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 3, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    If you think Japan or companies like Funimation don’t know abouy nyaa, you are so deluded it isn’t even funny.

  241. gusroar
    gusroar
    October 3, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    South Park isn’t a very good example to use. They make fun of everything from pop culture to politics to religion. That’s what their show is about, and they’ve been doing it for what 19 seasons now. Getting angry at south park for making fun of whatever thing you personally like is more that a bit different to this situation where they changed the script to insert a weird political statement seemingly out of nowhere.

  242. Glen Compton
    Glen Compton
    October 3, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    I love Funimations Gagdub of Crayon Shin Chan, so this is hit and miss type of topic. I don’t like revisionism or middle grounds on this topic though. Either you go with a faithful dub or go FULL gagdub, no in between!

  243. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 3, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    Damn straight. Your avatar reminds me that Berserk had some gags but chose to place them all in the outtakes. That is the best way to experiment if you feel the creative juices following or to make an abridged series.

  244. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    Oh I’m sure they know, but you don’t need to go advertising how you’ve cheated the system or someone will eventually do something about it.

  245. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 3, 2015 at 3:15 pm

    The American anime industry strikes again.

    Getting Robotech flashbacks ;)

  246. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 3, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    Just dl the blu-ray rip.

  247. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 3, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    I’m not sure I follow. Last I checked GG was about obsessing over pedos and ecelebs.

  248. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    I don’t watch dubs. As long as glorious Nihon doesn’t fall to the SJW everything is good.

  249. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 3, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    Nooooooooooooooo…

    from my cold dead hands

  250. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 3, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    They tried and failed – that is the funny part about it. The MAG report I mentioned was not just a report, but a roadmap to fight against these websites.

    And if they succeed…? They only earn the scorn of the community (and I have enough data to prove that pirates are also big spenders), and only make 2 new heads sprout from the hidra they just slained.

    You worry too much. No one will take your chinese cartoons from the internet.

  251. Feniks
    Feniks
    October 3, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    Never insult your customers. How to run a business 101.

  252. Rautaputki
    Rautaputki
    October 3, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    I personally think they did wrong by including the #GamerGate there. It would’ve been better to use the actual translation since majority of the people watching the series are probably familiar enough with the Japanese culture enough to get the original line.

    Furthermore mixing personal political statement(s) into the show also ruins the enjoyment for many. To include an anti-GamerGate line also shows really poor taste and knowledge of what GamerGate is. Considering what actually has happened in GG, what is going on currently in GG and the attitude of the person who came up with that line shows that he doesn’t understand the #GamerGate.

    I think the person who made that line and the person who gave it a green light should be transferred to other duties. They don’t deserve to be fired from their job but a demotion would be in place for those guys.

  253. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    October 3, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    You aren’t wrong there.

  254. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 3, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    I think I worry just the right amount thanks. At least I’ll never be disappointed.

  255. tccboss
    tccboss
    October 3, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    1: This line is totally out nowhere and especially out if context when you watch the whole scene.

    2: I don’t understand how they thought this would be ok. Especially seeing as gamegate is a touchy subject. This to me would be the equivalent of making some comments about ISIS in a fan service anime it’s really out of place.

  256. IJustWannaSayThis
    IJustWannaSayThis
    October 3, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    On a slightly tangential point – changing/censoring content is nothing new and nowadays it’s so established you can see it in just about anime show aired outside Japan. When you go back and watch the original it’s like watching two completely different TV shows!

  257. IJustWannaSayThis
    IJustWannaSayThis
    October 3, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    Or try and get the original with english subs – cause you should support the original content creators regardless

  258. Philip Weigel
    Philip Weigel
    October 3, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    I was being hyperbolic, I admit, but at the same time, part of me does worry that the 2nd point is accurate.

  259. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 3, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    Even the nyaa staff doesn’t worry about it, just to give you some perspective.

  260. Miguel Vidal
    Miguel Vidal
    October 3, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    From my experience I can tell you that almost no fansub changes the script.
    In fact they get too attached to it.

  261. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 3, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    The best fansubbers do.

  262. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 3, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    I’ll worry about it until it’s gone. I just can’t fathom the idea that something I like isn’t going to end before I expire.

  263. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    October 3, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    Of course fansubs are the way to watch anime. Any way where you actually download the whole episode instead of streaming it is superior. Streaming is garbage.

  264. AQuaintPeacock
    AQuaintPeacock
    October 3, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    My thoughts? FUNimation shouldn’t tolerate employees intentionally doing a bad job so they can omit dialog and shoe-horn political potshots in its place for personal ego.

    Leave your politics at the door and do your job. It’s like professionalism means absolutely nothing.

  265. epy
    epy
    October 3, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    Had a quick look at this guy’s twitter. I’m always perplexed at how these people(so-called professionals) manage to act this way publicly without any repercussion whatsoever.

  266. Duro
    Duro
    October 3, 2015 at 10:22 pm

    There have been rare “localization touches” I thought were good. Jigen (Lupin the 3rd) saying “Sorry boss, I was possessed by the spirit of Steve McQueen.” was one of the best. And who doesn’t love that whole Spoony Bard thing from FFIV?

    Generally speaking though, inserting YOUR political agenda into someone ELSE’S work should be rightly considered, in the BEST POSSIBLE LIGHT, as putting words in someone else’s mouth. It is presumptuous, rude, and crass.

    There is…actually a very large, easily identifiable line between ‘localization’ and ‘pushing a political agenda.’ Things like this cross the line, knock over the mail box. back over it twice for good measure, then ride off flipping the double deuce while blaring music screaming about thug life.

  267. EroBotan
    EroBotan
    October 4, 2015 at 1:48 am

    funimation need to be sent to pluto

  268. epobirs
    epobirs
    October 4, 2015 at 2:02 am

    So in addition to being an awful writer, he is a jerk and a liar. How is a reference to a fictional character that was dated before the core audience or the characters in the scene were even born ‘appropriate to the scene?’ It completely changed the tone of the scene.

    Meanwhile, when and where did anyone identifying themselves with GameGate make rape threats toward anyone? Care to substantiate this claim, Mr. Rineheart? Or are you a loathsome coward? That shouldn’t bother you. After all, it’s just one line.

  269. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    October 4, 2015 at 2:44 am

    The short of it is that it’s a hashtag representing a general opposition to poor ethical practices in gaming journalism (clickbait, non-disclosures of personal or financial ties to the subject of the article, etc).

    While it’s an issue that’s been a bother for many people over the years, the straw that broke the camel’s back was regarding one female developer allegedly giving sexual favors for favorable reviews. Because of this, gaming journalists in general fired back claiming that gamers in general are misogynists among a slew of other accusations in various ‘gamers are dead’ articles. Others, often referred to as social justice workers, decided to jump in as well to parrot the accusations now that they finally had an ‘easy’ target for their armchair activism.

    This back and forth has been going on for over a year now.

    What does it have to do with Prison School? Fuck all nothing. As others have pointed, the original line didn’t even have any kind of reference to controversies of any kind. It was essentially just an extended “I’m your senior, show some respect and shut up”.

  270. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    October 4, 2015 at 3:12 am

    They aren’t the original content creators. The only way that would work is if you want me to import the original manga series (untranslated, right outta Japan).

    If your manga has become an anime then you’re already very well-off as a creator in the industry and have enough of a name for yourself to go places (within reach of your anime). The creator of Prison School is not TenNapel or Toby Fox. He’s doing just fine.

  271. Landale
    Landale
    October 4, 2015 at 6:45 am

    As much as I detest the site now and the people actually running it I do feel the need to make some details about the moderation there clearer. Mind you all of the following is possibly dated information and largely based on my own personal perception rather than being absolutely 100% solid facts.

    Unless things have changed drastically since the higher ups there got rid of me, the moderation team is actually pretty split between being lenient and being draconian. That split also is generally obvious; Mods that came from the community, of which he is one, tend to be more lenient than those that have been around forever or came out of nowhere. The community ones could quite often be seen trying to direct things away from situations where bans would come up, and were quite often willing to discuss why action was taken if it had been. I don’t suspect that particular behavior happens much anymore though, as it was the official reason given for getting rid of me.

    There’s also the issue of the rules being incredibly poorly defined and not openly presented, again not sure if that has since changed. Personally I had pushed to make the rules more clearly defined, so as to avoid the same general thing being grounds punishment or not depending on the slightest of changes or on which mod was viewing the situation. Almost all of it was ignored for being “redundant” as I recall.

    If you’ve got an issue with their censorship, as one should, you should at least be aware of where it generally comes from. Be angry with the management and the moderators planted from there, rather than with everyone as a whole.

  272. Galbador
    Galbador
    October 4, 2015 at 6:51 am

    Really? They shoehorn something into an animation, that came from Japan, which is ONLY relevant in Amercia and ruining the anime for later generations. Brilliant, once more, you can clearly see the intelliquence of people, who think they have to make themselves a big name by shoving things into medias, that have NOTHING to do with the issue they have with. And aside of that, it even pulls the scene out of context as well, because in the japanese version, she mentions to speak more politely while in the english version it is a dumb gamergate joke, made by a guy, who does not even understands what Gamergate stands for. This is so cringeworthy as it could be, this guy is the reason why people have no damn idea about what Gamergate is really about; the correctness of gaming jornalism and not men
    ( OR women… yeah, that happens as well) who harass women in gaming.

  273. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 4, 2015 at 7:57 am

    Hmm it refreshing change from broad censorship to downright insulting your consumer that would buy your product.

    I won’t be surprised that the writers or one of them come from a SJW (anti-gamergate) group.

    That remark saying “Gamer-gate creep show” is clearly a pop at gamergate supporters.

    They could have just put stick up your arse.

    It quite clear the writers got a stick up their arse too.

  274. Breezer
    Breezer
    October 4, 2015 at 10:01 am

    Oh I am.

    It’s just an aside saying the community is shit because of their mandatory ass kissing rules and like you said they either railroad you into being an obedient loser or just ban you

  275. Alistair
    Alistair
    October 4, 2015 at 10:35 am

    I rather find it ironic that SJW knows no bounds.

    Journalists Ethnics.

    Censorship.

    Both goes hand in hand this joke or insult is found under Ethnics.

    The only reason censorship is always brought up & tie to journalism is what journalists have put in they web sites about questionable content & if any content is altered take catwoman in arkham knight for example how did that happen is censorship.

    Removing content-censorship, minor edits ( altarted ) -censorship,

    silence dissent by removing post banning orders etc etc – censorship

    That what gamergate is about journalism ethics & censorship.

    Doxxing people, insulting people, this shoehorn is a example & remember being called gamers ID are dead & being like a terrorists.

  276. Brimfyre
    Brimfyre
    October 4, 2015 at 11:05 am

    Yeah I think the Fonzie joke is way more offensive. Is the Editor 65?

  277. James Reilly
    James Reilly
    October 4, 2015 at 1:24 pm

    So was the fucker fired or reprimanded? I imagine the spike of cancelled Funi subscriptions made the higher ups nervous hence their public damage control statement.

  278. DynastyStar
    DynastyStar
    October 4, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    I’ve never heard of Glitterforce, is there something you’re getting at?

  279. DynastyStar
    DynastyStar
    October 4, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    Generally I like dubs alot because I’m a horrible reader and when I’m watching with subs, there are times where I have to pause and read the subtitles or rewind a few seconds if I missed what somebody says. Dubs makes it so that I don’t break my immersion so chances are IF I watch this show, it will be on an illegal streaming site.

  280. DynastyStar
    DynastyStar
    October 4, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    What about the Toradora dub? thats pretty good.

  281. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    October 4, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    You’re better off that way.

  282. DynastyStar
    DynastyStar
    October 4, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    okay thanks I guess.

  283. landlock
    landlock
    October 5, 2015 at 4:52 am

    Praised? I don’t know, I don’t follow the dubbed circuits close enough to hear about it. What I do know is that the opening scenes to sky wizards that is smuldubbed along side gangsta and prison school isn’t entirely faithful either and no one gives a damn. nichegamer only reported this because of gamergate and looking at the comments here I see that as the major concern.

  284. landlock
    landlock
    October 5, 2015 at 4:55 am

    I don’t see anyone getting angry about the opening scenes to sky wizards that aren’t very faithful either. Looking at the comments here and the crazy people on twitter the major concern seems to be gamergate.

  285. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    Indeed I do, I’ve been doing it for over a year now. Probably one of the more frequent mods you’ll spot if you visit there as well.

    I don’t know the details of why you got banned… and I do know that some moderators stamp out stuff more so than I do, but in general we follow the same rule book where simply criticising a game wouldn’t be an issue. Perhaps if someone was a jerk calling names, calling out moderators and such… Regardless, I don’t know why you were banned.

    I recommend that you chase up Miau (the head mod of sorts) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MiauMiaut

    Or alternately, the mod that you know banned you to ask for more details not that I expect a turnaround, but it is protocol more or less for us to be available there to talk things out if you can’t even reach us on Siliconera.

    I don’t really see a contradiction between my moderating and hating censorship/edits anyway. Siliconera as well as Niche Gamer have rules which are laid out, in our case, we fight to ensure most posts will be productive and not port begging nonsense.

  286. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    Thanks for the huge clarification in my place, dude. There is definitely a split of sorts. I don’t know who really came out of nowhere, but naturally people like myself who talked to a lot of users before the position will know how people tend to speak and try to ensure that they can stick around through preventing escalation (as much as I do like a few people who were banned – most of them crossed obvious lines and it isn’t like us mods can fight each other to redefine rules openly).

    We still need to get the rules to be somewhere other than the Open Thread page desperately, but the selection process of sorts means that users either know the rules or get the impression of what they are by nature, far from good, but functional. :/

    Since you aren’t at Siliconera now, you might not know that Ishaan (who I and another mod were brainstorming stuff with) isn’t writing there though he does comment often enough. I more or less knew about Spencer for a while, but now he is the one I chat with not about rules but occasional article ideas. Maybe, I’ll pitch something about the rules with time to him.

  287. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm

    Going into a poorly presented rant with typos and poor punctuation even if it has some facts about GG and Zoe Quinn, then dropping a petition for Persona 5 dual audio isn’t relevant to the script. My issue is that I would say “GamerGate isn’t relevant to the scene” and end the post there instead of adding baggage, almost everyone in the comments here already agree on many levels with you to begin with.

    I don’t mean to pick on you if English isn’t your first language or anything else, but less weak posts especially ones which drop irrelevant petitions in the middle would be better even if it would be less posts.

    http://www.capcom-unity.com/capcom_games_discussion/go/thread/view/7341/30030505/ex-troopers-localization-support-topic-ps3-3ds-title

    I don’t remember which comment section you were talking with Puchinri or the exact subject, but I’ll say from experience that I debate/argue with her fairly often and posts like yours are likely to be deleted even if I liked them. You didn’t even do the foundational steps to start an debate with her, so she seemed to just shrug you off (the same steps I’d do with someone who just seemed annoying in general). If she or another mod deleted your posts, it may be because they offered nothing relevant to the topic of the article.

    If you actually did present good points properly (I don’t think you did, but let us assume), I think she would have at least engaged with some of the points even if she agreed to disagree by the end (as myself and her often do).

    More harm? Yes. You mentioned Zoe Quinn (when the aim should be Nathan Grayson + Kotaku) and positive ratings (when it is coverage!). Imagine if someone was linked to this discussion in the comments, aside from some comments which edge on piracy more than I’d like but that’s their choice they have another ZQ person who seems to only speak “femenists” over one year on. :/

    It isn’t that you shouldn’t say some names or share some links, but if they don’t have any relevance to a discussion, you can’t expect them to be welcome. You could have taken just a little more time and had the chat. And you could have chosen a wiser target than Puchinri to start it.

    EDIT: A hour video? Instead of actually explaining your posts well in a few paragraphs? We don’t exactly have rules against that (we do against .GIFs) but that was also a bad idea short of the Open Thread maybe.

  288. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 3:11 pm

    You won’t need to sugarcoat a word as long as you stay clear, coherent, relevant and polite.

    (I know you may consider one or more of those things to be sugarcoating points, but bear with me)

    I haven’t gotten into an argument about dual audio options in a while, but two of our frequent users does love their dubs so much one of them has it practically in their name. Both of them manage to post frequently just because they make structured posts and don’t seem to attack viewpoints even if someone says that the English dub of One Piece for example isn’t great.

    One user’s thoughts among others is that he expects more than just a few subtitles for the wait and that fans can pull off free subtitle projects for games in some cases. A decent point which people tend to respect.

  289. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    I won’t speak about Gematsu, though there is a running gag that people who get banned on Siliconera go there which many are aware of. >_>

    However, it isn’t a “serious hypocritical scumbag move” to moderate for a site (especially if you can’t point out a case of me stepping in as a censor of thought) which has rules which I support while I don’t like censorship or editing of games. I was accepted as well as other community -> mod types since I seemed to make productive posts and seemed pretty frequent.

    I still don’t know which game you were criticising (though you imply it was Japanese here) but any ban probably doesn’t come from it being Japanese though it is statistically likely that it was just from what we cover.

    I’ve been criticising Unlimited World RED harshly on plenty of sites including Siliconera before I became a mod no less, so it doesn’t seem relevant. More recently, Fire Emblem If/Fates is a case of a game which faced a lot of bitterness from comments whether it was looking like it may be like Awakening but worse, a Phoenix mode addition or seemingly like it had a date rape drug romance according to Tumblr.

    Bans are far from instant (unless you are linking some quick rich scheme) anyway.

  290. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    And I didn’t want to talk about Gematsu much… >_> They do seem to have a high chance of lots of people bagging on individuals, while we tend to encourage people to mark and move on, it isn’t necessary to comment on so so posts.

    Anyway, their rules aren’t too different to us in general structure even if the community is very different in practice: http://gematsu.com/commenting-guidelines

    Since I recommended that Breezer contacts a mod to see what we can do about his ban, I recommend the same for you. Fortunately, you don’t even need a Twitter to do it unlike us (a good idea!): http://gematsu.com/contact-mod

    Unfortunately, my guess is that you were banned and flamed since you “talked about dual audio being missing too often and dropped the petition link left and right rather than adding to conversation or sharing a petition in a natural way”.

    The E.X. Troopers thread (I love the game, I’m alright with only one post in the thread every few months if I can’t think of a smart addition or encourage more people naturally) I shared with you is an example of me parodying that habit I think you might have, even if you happen to asking only in games which don’t have a confirmed English dub yet. It is against the rules to “whine” as Gematsu puts it.

    I’ve rewritten Scenario 3 of General Whining from Gematsu’s rules to be about voice work: “The western version of a Japanese game is confirmed to not have Japanese audio in some shape or form. Do not comment complaining about dual audio. In some cases, these changes are necessary to release the game in a market outside of Japan. If you believe that not to be the case, take it up with the publisher via their social channels.”

  291. Zak
    Zak
    October 5, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    The original Duel Monsters was better in the dub IMO.

  292. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 5, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    you do know that most ppl are pretty retarded right? like they don’t even know the true meaning behind Gamergate other than what femenist and the dumbass scriptwriter made it out to be. and also it woulden’t matter how many times it was said as long as more ppl see what it is meant to be.

    Puchinri has picked sides like constantly on her own preverenses which is ridiculous for a Mod to do, they are supposse to stay neutral. i used the term feminazi considering she is a femenist she felt butthurt by that term. and stop with the bullshit about femenism being about euality for woman and man cause that’s just bullshit. there is a reason why femenism is at war with atheism.

    also i find it funny how you wanna shift blame from Zoe quin to Nathan Grayson + Kotaku, sure they are also to blame but that doesen’t mean she get’s a OK pass to fuck anybody for ratings with the excuse, cause the guy should have known better bullshit.

    the hour video was for Puchinri cause i told her to go educate herself on what femenism really means and what it has become in todays world, offcourse she deleted it right away or else i might have been able to prove a point against her femenist believes.

    This whole article itself is about femenism really and how GG is now the term to call men as misogynistic rapist. cause that’s what the scene implies the guy is.

  293. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    Sky Wizards? A recent FUNimation streamed anime I see. My only comment can be that I never heard of the series, not even the LNs to know about the issues.

    Being in the UK, I can only watch their take on Sky Wizards illegally probably so I’m bound to be even more out of the loop. I suppose, I’ll take notes to be mad at that one when it comes out or has a trailer anyway. I had to find a Youtube channel which illegally uploaded a Senran Kagura dub trailer (yep, they don’t even let us see trailers) to learn that their marketing and voices are so so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIeF-7Sitkw

    Of course, we got news that Senran Kagura’s anime from FUNimation didn’t have the extras so I didn’t import it.

    The concern is GamerGate? Sure why not. I still think it is based on the year long hashtag being more topical than a reference to Happy Days (never heard of it till Prison School’s clip introduced it to me >_>).

  294. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    Fair enough. I don’t stay close to the dubbed circuits much myself to know but apparently Sgt Frog and Shin Chan are pretty good despite notable edits and people liked Duel Masters. All of which happen to be parody dubs, in one case of a lackluster show and in two others apparently replacing a lot of jokes for a Ace Attorney like effect. Not watched much of any of them though.

    I think the issue may be that no one cares about Sky Wizards to begin with. Everyone knows about EA and Capcom’s DLC nonsense even if Street Fighter X Tekken got more attention than Mass Effect 3 (which had bigger problems), you’ll have to look hard to find people invested in smaller games with issues not that I know that one released then.

    NicheGamer only reported on this for the GamerGate angle? Not sure if that’s fair even if it does likely mean a bigger audience, Prison School already was a popular manga with folks here, NG reported on Japan responding to Shimoneta and it happens to fall under edits. It would be a less popular article if it only name dropped Fonz, amazingly so, but I feel it still warrants coverage.

    Anime News Network also covered this anyway: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-10-03/funimation-addresses-prison-school-dub-comments-over-gamergate-line/.93736

    (Yeah we really need a serious blog about all of the screwups)

  295. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    October 5, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    you say ppl need to make a relevant point, i don’t know if you’ve noticed most points that are being made on a gaming news site are totally useless. they either praise a game cause they are a fanboy or they make some retarded statment like i’m going to buy this game.

    atleast with my statment i get ppl to fucking think or research it. hell even with the article with Puchinri,
    called Capcom Didn’t Want To Make Devil May Cry 4’s Gloria Vulgar, But Did Anyway.

    i tried to keep it to a minimum by stating:
    these days with dumb western political correctness they would even feel cartoon characters need rights. that kinda shows how insane this
    world is.

    before ya know it your not allowed to dream or it might sexcist or dangerous.

    meaning in the sense that the only Reason capcom thought it was Vulgar was in western eyes, cause let’s be honest japanese users coulden’t give a crap about some skin.

  296. psychosoldier_dragonspirit
    psychosoldier_dragonspirit
    October 5, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    it’s why i dont trust NISA localizations

  297. Llama Adventure
    Llama Adventure
    October 5, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    Is this the same dickhead who did the dub for High School of the Dead?

    I haven’t seen it (not in its entirely at least,) but I have heard all about the dub’s disregard for the original script, and if this is the same asshole pulling this shit across multiple dubs then why the fuck isn’t he out on his ass yet?

  298. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    NicheGamer predates GamerGate and not every reader or writer involved is going to claim that they agree with every word under the hashtag or even big people or talking points in general, but this is one of the last comment sections or websites where you need to explain it. You could have at least responded directly to someone who was clearly curious or asking (not that I think your writing is great being frank).

    You can’t be neutral on a moving train… Jokes aside, there aren’t exactly rules against individual mods having their own opinions and mindsets and using the term “feminazi” is a red alarm to me not just someone who reads the Mary Sue. We don’t welcome people who throw ad hominem labels to individuals/groups in general and you can’t be surprised if her or me decide to act based on rules which the site defined.

    Thanks to the topic name in your other post, I found the line of comments you had and am honestly surprised that she left your earlier “feminazi” post alone though she clearly deleted some. Anyway, I also express my preferences clearly and even argue with mods about other subjects, but I can’t argue with her if she don’t appear to be clear or on topic and started off with that word.

    All of that said, I invite you to prove a valid use for the word “feminazi” over “feminist who did _____” (which may also be topical but avoids invoking Godwin at least). Even if you can find a quote from a prominent feminist who suggested concentration camps seriously or worse, it isn’t immediately relevant to the discussion there.

    Judging from your discussion:
    http://www.siliconera.com/2015/09/29/capcom-didnt-want-to-make-devil-may-cry-4s-gloria-vulgar-but-did-anyway/#comment-2280128818

    It seems that was the core issue. Imagine if someone called everyone on the opposite side, “insecure MRAs” that would also be inappropiate and off topic. On which note, it appears that The_Crimson_Otaku mentioned “insecure males” but fortunately in the context of them (though I imagine some people may have been female or trans or whatever) leading to Anita getting more of a spotlight that’s true and fair even if inferring that anyone on a single side is responsible for something sort of related is a bad habit.

    Honestly, I do probably watch a lot of videos that you do but I don’t care enough to even talk about whatever atheism vs feminism war is going on, not even here. >_>

    Of course, I want blame to go to Nathan, he is the reporter and Kotaku is the publication. Perhaps in an ideal world, we could expect developers to let us know they supported a writer’s Patreon, had a lunch with the writer or fucked them silly prior to, after or during articles, but as the reporter is the one sharing the information. It is on them. Should Zoe or any developer with a relationship with the writer get some blame? Assuming they deliberately did it to manipulate reception, you could reach and argue that, I still feel that the reporter gets the bulk as a journalist/blogger for accepting it and/or not disclosing it.

    I’d hate to shame developers/journalists out of having any relationships or supporting a Patreon from the other group, it isn’t difficult to leave a brief notice or assign another writer.

    If you wanted to prove a point to her, you should have been ready to prove it in words, not an hour long video after she already decided that you might be a troll. At least, pick a shorter video while making a clear and relevant point. As far as I can tell, you hadn’t even provoked her into making a point of her own to debunk.

    The article doesn’t even use the word “feminism” once, at most it nods a poorly thought out tweet from Tyson and I know from reading some other posts from him (too many to dig at the moment) that he seems fairly chill about GG (not that it excuses a trash line). He actually came to agree with one of the more chill GG people chatting with him but of course dozens people after that pursued him since Twitter is such an open conversation (worth noting how few people he blocked if any – he even retweets some GG posts and jokes). The scene itself? Anzu jokes that GamerGate folks are creeps not rapists.

  299. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    October 5, 2015 at 6:02 pm

    I’ll proudly argue that Siliconera has the some of most useful useless points around. Using the same article, we have some people discussing how the character barely has any use as another sign of DMC4 being rushed, some comments about how they feel about the Gloria = Trish reveal and a huge and fantastic comment about how the article is clickbait (it got 2 upvotes, one from me and the other from Puchinri despite siding against the writer).

    Perhaps, you should have been even more direct though your first post was fine even if Puchinri has some sort of point about a conservative side in Japan (even if you can reply with tons of H-games and Doujinshi aside from mainstream franchises).

    Anyway, if your post was in an article about Gloria’s design being censored notably from an initial showing (ideally a gameplay build) or an article about how a game is censored in general with that sort of excuse. Yeah. Puchinri only had the room to push you as you didn’t talk directly about it. At first, “Western political correctness is off the charts”, second “Feminazis and Anita you know” and finally one hour video proof when she hasn’t presented an argument.

  300. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 5, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    I understand you, but you have to be flexible on the internet. Like Mangatraders. So many people took that for granted – myself included – but then, one day… poof. Of course, mangatraders came back later, but you get my point. The internet is fluid, you need to know how to navigate its waves. Always have a backup plan. My current backup plan is private anime trackers, and the backup of the backup plan is to use a downloader like DomDomSoft for it.

    I took UndergroundGamer for granted and thought our museum of old games would last forever. Never again.

  301. Luke Fitzpatrick
    Luke Fitzpatrick
    October 5, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    Localization teams should not add-in anything that alters the anime. It should be important to note that, translation ‘changes’ the content, localization may slightly alter the content to fit a specific region. Next time, they anime producers should consider using services like http://www.localizer.co to localize the content AND they must certainly ask the audience if they prefer the content to be slightly adjusted to fit their region OR prefer it to be as close to the original version as possible.

  302. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 6, 2015 at 12:27 am

    I also operate under the assumption that the Internet won’t always be as free as it is now. I see where you’re coming from but yo’re just too hopeful for me.

  303. Fenrir007
    Fenrir007
    October 6, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    It’s not hopeful. It’s about being one step ahead. Whenever there was a crackdown on something, I was already on something else. I’ve been through usenet, DCC, emule etc etc and, whenever a place or “system” started attracting too much heat, I was already hopping onto the next one. It’s a cat and mouse game, you just gotta stay ahead.

  304. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    October 7, 2015 at 2:06 am

    I’m anticipating an end to the game itself. Every other day the latest and greatest threat to the Internet rears its ugly head. It’s only a matter of time before one of them succeeds.

  305. Justin Christopher Parker
    Justin Christopher Parker
    October 7, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    Ya hear that Nintendo? Try to keep all this in mind for a certain game *cough cough* Fire Emblem *cough cough*, for the love of God.

    On the other hand, there were a few occasions where this was okay (IE Ghost Stories) but shoehorning in politics where there should be none really shouldn’t be necessary. ESPECIALLY in an anime like this.

  306. Thomas Buster
    Thomas Buster
    October 12, 2015 at 6:34 am

    It wasn’t funny, it made zero sense, their PR response to the backlash was equally nonsensical, and that whole Gamergate thing was blown way out of proportion in the first place… but it’s nothing to boycott Funimation over.

    Unless it becomes a recurring thing (I don’t think it will considering the way so many people reacted), I don’t think there’s any reason to hold this incident against them. Plus, they’ve gotten WAY more political than that in the past. Hell, I swing about as far right as they come, but even I was able to tolerate the ridiculous conservative straw man that they turned one of the characters into in their adaptation of Shin Chan, and Georgie was a WAY bigger part of the show than one poorly written line (plus, I’ll admit he got a laugh out of me once in a while, like that time he compared Shin to Bill Clinton XD). I even bought all the DVDs!

  307. Huzaifa Ahmed
    Huzaifa Ahmed
    October 26, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    Obviously, you are still advocating for their release of the show, then, but at the same time stealing from those who worked on everything else, like the translation and production team.

    Just switch from the “dub” option on their channel, to the “sub” option.

    That being said, I was on a mobile browser, with headphones in (I was working) and when this line hit, it buggered the shit out of me. I was incredulous and still have to do double takes. It just sounds so incongruous and disruptive in context. Boggles the mind.

    Regardless, it’s easier to just switch to the “sub” option instead. Continues to keep an interest in the show going, without supporting the things that you dislike.

  308. Zak
    Zak
    October 30, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Honestly, there’s loads of free official offerings of Prison School in all worldwide regions in subbed form – stop defrauding the producers and go cough up some money when the FUNI subbed BD comes out.

  309. Zak
    Zak
    October 30, 2015 at 11:48 am

    well done, excellent “localisation”

  310. Caim
    Caim
    November 3, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    Daniel Plainview: I would love to support your dub but first you have to say you are a false translator and FUNi is a superstition

    Tyson: *crying like a bitch* I’m a false translator and FUNi is a superstition!!

    Daniel Plainview: that show has been torrented. It’s called “piracy” I can get anything you have released and I don’t have to pay.

    Tyson: But we don’t get anything back for that, you don’t understand it’s FUNimation’s official website…

    Daniel Plainview: Yes I do understand Tyson, point of the matter is you don’t understand, I drink your water, I drink it up, EVERYDAY, I drink the blood of lamb from piratebay….you can sit down now.

  311. Al
    Al
    November 26, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    Well, Sonny Strait and Ian Sinclair condoned Rinehart’s behaviour, Jamie Marchi is a friend and supporter of basically everyone GG is against {amazing then that she seems to work heavily on every single anime that should be offending the everloving fuck out of her, like Panty & Stocking, Highschool DxD, Heaven’s Lost Property and of course this} and boasted that she high-fived Rinehart for writing the GG line, Liam O’Brien literally thinks GamerGate has a headquarters where members sit around on piles of money like Wario while thinking up new ways to harass women in gaming, Scott Freeman recently got put away for eight counts of possession and purchase of child porn, and Sam Riegel openly called one of his GG-supporting female fans an idiot when she confronted him for mocking GG supporters who dare to stand up for themselves, while the otherwise cool J. Michael Tatum actually defended the shitty line-changing itself as Rinehart and Marchi “just doing their job”, so that’s not a good start.

  312. Al
    Al
    November 26, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    I began to stay suspicious about the accuracy of their subs after they seemingly lifted a fansub’s tracks for Panty & Stocking, including two instances of “fag-boy” where they didn’t exist in one episode.

  313. Al
    Al
    November 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    They ESPECIALLY love to do that with the shittiest shows. Fuck, World Break got its dub released in full before it even finished airing in Japan.

  314. Al
    Al
    November 26, 2015 at 7:17 pm

    Except that the girl saying it was the one girl who actually ends up siding with the guys. She was on their side already by this point and was simply telling Shingo to show her some respect cause she’s older than him.

  315. Al
    Al
    November 27, 2015 at 5:20 am

    I still think the best part is how he took his message to an honestly not-all-that-good show that borders on softcore jailsploitation porn and no SJW would be caught dead watching.

  316. Kakarotto
    Kakarotto
    May 29, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    Give prays to Kami that this sort of incident won’t happen in the near future anytime soon.

  317. Estafador
    Estafador
    August 18, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    I don’t know what a gamergate is and I didn’t know who auther was before i looked him up. While they do take too much liberties (and use jokes that fly over some viewers heads), it isn’t that big a deal. I have seen the dub version and the dialogue is dreadfully dull. It’s a wonder it’s so successful in Japan if not for the animation humor. Sometimes it’s better to input western humor so we as a Western audience can relate. I know in some anime subs they use jokes specific to Japan that I don’t get until I do research. And if that sort of dialogue were to be translated directly to English, we’d be as a whole (I know you otakus are nuts and know every little inside Japanese joke) we’d be lost and less in tuned with the series.

  318. Estafador
    Estafador
    August 18, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    I don’t know what shin chan is but I too felt the original dialogue was too dry. Dub made it funnier

  319. Estafador
    Estafador
    August 18, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    What is wrong with the fonz? Shingo looks similar to him and it’s an American joke for an American audience. What the hell is the deal with that?

  320. RomadE
    RomadE
    October 17, 2016 at 8:44 am

    God, it’s those kinds of bullshit laws that killed Aki Sora ;_;

  321. Akemi Homura
    Akemi Homura
    January 10, 2017 at 6:10 am

    Btw, about that. It’s not like actually buying the animes even helps the original authors. There was a thread on reddit that mentioned of Gintama’s author saying that he doesn’t get much at all from the anime adaptations, that he was only payed up front with one-time licensing fee. Otherwise he doesn’t even get any profits or royalties from it. And if we’re talking about 4kids, they been holding back royalties from the creators of the yugioh franchise for years, before they had been sent a lawsuit their way. So these dubbing companies don’t necessarily give much back to the studios that made the anime in the first place. They prolly worked out some kinda 70-30 deal, their way. You know, Murica and capitalism ftw.

    And after that? Pft, forget about funding the original authors/creators themselves, there wouldn’t be anything left even if the anime studios in Japan didn’t fuck them over already. The author of Ginatama said that if you really want to support to him to live enough comfortably, then you should just go buy the manga.

  322. Anime4Life
    Anime4Life
    April 24, 2017 at 10:36 am

    Like why do they do that

    Its bashing the hard work of the creators.
    Please we need to adress this issue. They are chaning outlook of shows.

  323. Hyperion-Rage
    Hyperion-Rage
    November 14, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    Eww. I hope this doesn’t increase in the future. Keep your politics out of my anime please. Both sides. This is so immature on his part and arrogant. I hope he gets fired.