Nintendo Removes Sombrero Mario from Super Mario Odyssey Boxart

Nintendo has slightly, quietly altered the boxart for Super Mario Odyssey.

The box art originally featured the sombrero-donned Mario since its reveal, only to now be replaced with Mario swimming in a yet-to-be-revealed water area within the game.

You can compare both versions below:

The original design is pictured above left, with the latest update pictured above right.

Nintendo caught some flack from the usual armchair warriors with the appearance of Mario wearing a sombrero and poncho, traditional Mexican garb, while also playing some mariachi music in the latest trailer for Super Mario Odyssey.

The news comes after Nintendo COO and president Reggie Fils-Aimé said Nintendo avoids making political statements in any of their games. “Making political statements are for other people to do,” Reggie said. “We want people to smile and have fun when they play our games.”

I got some responses from actual Mexican fans of the game. “We loved the fuck out of sombrero Mario, now they took it away from the box,” said one fan. Another Spanish speaking-user said “They did? Fuck. As long as it is still in the game.”

Super Mario Odyssey launches for the Nintendo Switch on October 27th, worldwide. In case you missed it, you can find our exclusive, hands-on preview for the game (with video) here from this year’s E3.

Brandon Orselli


Owner and Publisher at Niche Gamer and Nicchiban. Outlaw fighting for a better game industry. Pronouns: Patriarch, Guido, Olive.

  1. MLG Barroth
    MLG Barroth
    August 3, 2017 at 10:57 am

    thankfully compared to in game censorship i can just print out a new cover if need be

  2. Mechonis
    August 3, 2017 at 10:59 am

    Great. More pandering keyboard warriors.

  3. Mr0303
    August 3, 2017 at 10:59 am

    What not to do when you get pressure from SJWs – cave in.

    Hopefully this version is still in the game.

  4. Lucky
    August 3, 2017 at 10:59 am

    Yeah, the level is still in there, so this is pretty minor in comparison.

  5. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    August 3, 2017 at 10:59 am

    >making political statements are for other people to do
    Reggie, you’re doing just that by REMOVING Sombrero Mario from the boxart! Just leave it and let other people make a big stink over it instead of playing the fucking game.

    Fuck’s sake.

  6. Mechonis
    August 3, 2017 at 11:02 am

    I doubt they removed a heavily featured costume from the game, but this box art shit is many levels of retarded

  7. Baku
    August 3, 2017 at 11:03 am

    I think it looks better, but yeah, the reason why they changed it is silly

  8. SuuLoliBoob
    August 3, 2017 at 11:09 am

    Eh, just like games still in development, which i’m pretty sure mario odyssey is, the box art changes as well. As long as the actual content is still in the game, i’ll be happy.

  9. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    August 3, 2017 at 11:09 am

    Oh my fucking god, just make it stop.

  10. Jonbo298
    August 3, 2017 at 11:10 am

    The irony is dripping by removing sombrero Mario on the cover. It’s made the game cover less diverse now to appease the closet racists :^)

  11. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    August 3, 2017 at 11:14 am

    But has it been removed from the game. While it is censorship, I can handle that a lot more than the game being censored.

  12. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    August 3, 2017 at 11:15 am

    That’s actually an important question.

  13. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    August 3, 2017 at 11:16 am

    Probably not.

  14. mewnani
    August 3, 2017 at 11:17 am

    Really? You’re gonna just remove a picture because some whiny brats with way too much time on their hands threw a tantrum and yelled “cultural appropriation”?

    Shame on Nintendo for doing it. These idiots were never going to play the game anyway; taking away a picture they don’t like isn’t going to make them buy the game now.

  15. Tubsiwub
    August 3, 2017 at 11:18 am

    I’m offended by your Italian stereotypes, Nintendo. Please remove Mario from your Mario game.

  16. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    August 3, 2017 at 11:21 am

    You fucking serious? As a Mexican, i cannot imagine someone getting mad/offended/attacked for something like that. It was actually pretty fun to watch

  17. lucben999
    August 3, 2017 at 11:52 am

    Don’t worry, a tumblr landwhale is going to be offended on your behalf. Aren’t you lucky?

  18. Sigurd Chalphy
    Sigurd Chalphy
    August 3, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Watch the original be scalped at a marked up price if it’s ever “accidentally” released.

  19. CatCouch
    August 3, 2017 at 11:58 am

    Well, this is just sad.

    Even if it’s just the cover of the game it shows Nintendo is still in the frame of mind that editing and censoring to avoid any criticism or controversy, no matter how small is the way to go. If they keep on this path and don’t defend their games there won’t be much left to defend in the end.

  20. Mechonis
    August 3, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    That’s the thing is they do it to avoid controversy and yet they cause it by doing this shit. Not to mention giving into SJWs is only going to encourage them.

  21. No_Good_Names_Ever
    August 3, 2017 at 12:13 pm

    Esse, esso bad!

  22. Glyth
    August 3, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    Virtue signaling white people always need to get offended in place of others.

  23. Squirrel on crack cocaine.
    Squirrel on crack cocaine.
    August 3, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    0.00000001% bitch and moan about nothing, it then gets changed as to not hurt their feelings, meanwhile zero Mexicans give an actual f*ck about the hat….And the left still wonder why Trump won.

    As long as it remains in the game that’s all that matters.

  24. Kiryu
    August 3, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    Cowards,you are caving in to bullies Nintendo.

  25. MusouTensei
    August 3, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    It sucks but as long he is still in the game I’m still buying.

  26. Bitterbear
    August 3, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    Notice that it’s usually the grandchildren of immigrants that do the bitching, and the occasional Mexican Pipirisnais. The former doesn’t want to be just another Gringo, and the latter does wants to be another Gringo.

  27. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 3, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    Wtf? This isn’t even the flavor of the week topic for SJWs to bitch about anymore, so why even bother? This Mario game is the reason why a lot of people want a Switch for the holiday season, does Nintendo really think some vocal minority of sensationalists online make up the majority of their fans who want the game regardless?

    Maybe I should pay SJWs to demand Capcom make more MegaMan games or Konami to bring back Metal Gear and Castlevania, its clear now that their voices are the only ones being listened to, despite not even being gamers.

  28. Matz
    August 3, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    Getting tired of whiny white liberals getting offended on my behalf, as a Mexican I love that Mexican Mario and might play the entire game using the Mexican costume and I’m getting offended with Nintendo for removing it from the game cover.

    I guess that the only “Mexicans” that got offended by this are a bunch of Chicanos that never have put a foot on Mexican territory and think that tacos are like the ones they have in Taco Bell

  29. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 3, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    That will happen to a minority when they are surrounded by cucks who apologize to them everyday.

  30. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    August 3, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    Italian stereotypes are fine because they’re white people, don’t you know?

  31. Francesco Azzena
    Francesco Azzena
    August 3, 2017 at 1:01 pm

    I am sardinian (italian minority ethnic group) and I consider the mexican white obviously.. They are not black at all. I really do not understand how someone could even remotely think of the mexicans as black.. Lol.. Ghaneses, senegaleses, nigerians are black not mexicans.. But one time an “american” asked me if we were considered white here in Italy.. First no one fucking cares here about skin colour, also we are very white with fair hair and light eyes (I myself am chestnut-reddish haired and blue-green eyed).. So I would not be surprised if someone in the United States could consider a mexican “black” lol..

  32. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 3, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    just call them racist, and then profit

  33. Jettythesunfish
    August 3, 2017 at 1:05 pm

    Great, great. This is what happens when game companies listen to triggered twits. Well, just so long as they don’t remove the Sombrero Mario from the game itself…

  34. edge
    August 3, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    No one considers Mexicans black O.o I think you have something lost in translation bro.

  35. Shattno
    August 3, 2017 at 1:09 pm

    Who the fuck cares about boxart anyway?

  36. No_Good_Names_Ever
    August 3, 2017 at 1:09 pm

    They both deserve death more than anything now; let their IPs fall into oblivion (except Metal Gear which will be bought up by Square Enix, closest thing to a best bet for Megaman would be Arc System).

  37. ProxyDoug
    August 3, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    In the future they will claim Nintendo is racist for removing the picture from the box art.

  38. Francesco Azzena
    Francesco Azzena
    August 3, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    Uncle Ocelot implied it I think. I was replying to that because I find it funny.

  39. edge
    August 3, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    I’m pretty sure you can blame the Californians who’s taco trucks are “more authentic and better than any other place tacos”. They’re so annoying about it I wouldn’t be surprised if they said their taco trucks were more authentic than a taco straight from the border (as long as you didn’t tell them). The average taco Bell goer doesn’t care about stuff like this.

  40. ProxyDoug
    August 3, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    This box art kind of reminds me of GTA.

  41. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 3, 2017 at 1:16 pm

    Wait, is Square legit buying Metal Gear?

  42. NukeA6
    August 3, 2017 at 1:17 pm

    Speaking as a Hispanic, I’m offended that Nintendo is consenting to cultural appropriation from racist white social marxists. Seriously, this is bullshit and I really want to kick a liberal’s ass over this. I don’t give a shit how minor this change is.

  43. No_Good_Names_Ever
    August 3, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    No but if Konami ever falls or the pachinko market becomes so shit that they can’t make a profit in it anymore, they’ll likely try to sell off their IPs since anyone in their right mind wouldn’t dare work for a company that gets you black listed for doing nothing. Square really wants that AAA money and is the biggest force in Japan so they’ll fight like a rabid dog over something as successful as Metal Gear.

  44. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    August 3, 2017 at 1:25 pm


  45. Bitterbear
    August 3, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    Something got lost in translation. It’s the annoyingly politically correct term People of Color used in English-speaking nations, and it is used on pretty much everyone who doesn’t have an European Ancestry.

  46. Bitterbear
    August 3, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    The worst part of what you said? Is that it’s going to be one of those Latinx landwhales.

  47. edge
    August 3, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    I guess some clarification might need to be in order for explaining the American phenomenon of sjw. Basically American sjws think it’s only ok to demean or be racist towards white people because they project their pseudo intellectual term of “institutional racism” onto everything. It’s not a joke, they actually believe it’s impossible to be racist against white people.

  48. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    August 3, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    “American phenomenon of sjw”
    If only it was just American…

  49. Ebicentre
    August 3, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    Not surprising. Nintendo of America has close ties with NoJ, according to Reggie. Chances are the SJWs in NoA told them to remove it.

  50. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    This is a non-fucking-issue people. Stop making mountains out of molehills. The day the box art changed NoJ showed concept art of the water world… Embrace common sense. Not paranoia.

  51. No_Good_Names_Ever
    August 3, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    Yep, Mexico has at least the feminists, Brazil has the racial sect, Africa likely has it in the form of “help”, huge chunks of Europe have fallen because of it, and Aussies being Aussies. Think if they try this shit in Russia and China; they’ll either be beat up or killed while Japan is apparently a lost cause until their Olympics is over (whenever theirs comes and goes).

  52. Jettythesunfish
    August 3, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    Sorry, but why does that justify just removing Sombrero Mario?

  53. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    It doesn’t need justification. If its removed from the game, or scrubbed from early trailers that’d be an issue. But currently, it just seems like its off the cover…

  54. Jettythesunfish
    August 3, 2017 at 2:26 pm

    Well, considering people got triggered from simply seeing Sombrero Mario…

  55. Marc Duarte
    Marc Duarte
    August 3, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    Give the SJWs an inch and they’ll take a mile. If enough snowflakes complain, Nintendo might remove the costume entirely. Never say never. Anything’s possible.

  56. Jettythesunfish
    August 3, 2017 at 2:36 pm

    You say that now, but just wait until SJWs get whole content removed from Nintendo games just by complaining.

  57. Uncle Ocelot
    Uncle Ocelot
    August 3, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    “Japan is apparently a lost cause until their Olympics is over”
    Hmm? You mean to the SJWs?

  58. Shattno
    August 3, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    That’s an entirely different thing

  59. No_Good_Names_Ever
    August 3, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    Nintendo still isn’t helping by adding to their egos.

  60. No_Good_Names_Ever
    August 3, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    SJWs are apparently what the Japs see as the wests stance on lewd content and content centered around outside cultures.

  61. Shattno
    August 3, 2017 at 3:16 pm

    While that might be true, I still think that it’s their right as a private company to do this, and as long as it is just the boxart I couldn’t care less.

  62. PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS
    August 3, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    That beaner Mario looks freaking sweet. I don’t care if they replace him with a double sided dildo on the box as long as they leave him in the game.

  63. InkViper
    August 3, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    60+ comments already, damn I miss the party on this one! Guess I’ll go mope in the corner with a bottle of tequila, on my own.

  64. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    A minority bitched. No one else, except for the folks that get offended when other people got offended.

    Besides, correlation does not equal causation.

  65. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    Not everything is about SJWs. And sure, anything is possible… But how probable is it?

  66. nine_ball
    August 3, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    “Think if they try this shit in Russia and China; they’ll either be beat up or killed”
    The band Pussy Riot regularly gets the shit beaten out of them before being arrested, so it’s pretty safe to say SJWs would never get a foothold in Russia.

  67. RichardGristle
    August 3, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    I’d say about 90% chance.

  68. GamesGoodMeGood
    August 3, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Leftist trying to deflect cancerous SJW behavior. Shock horror.

  69. GamesGoodMeGood
    August 3, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    This is a non-fucking-issue people. Stop making mountains out of molehills.

    Why don’t you tell Nintendo and the SJWs that instead?

  70. Dliberty
    August 3, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    Mexicans are predominately indigenous peoples, you know those Aztecs and such. Like much of Latin America there are many Metizos (mixed race) but few racially “white” people, as they never had a significant settler presence as their cousins in North America had, not to mention given the history of Spain most Spaniards are mixed race with the Berber peoples of North Africa. Considering Mexicans “white” people is generalizing like crazy and ignoring their actual heritage which they are very proud of.

  71. Malascus
    August 3, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    “We want people to smile and have fun when they play our games.”

    “Except Mexicans, fuck them”

    -Reggie 2017

  72. Magnifico Ginormous
    Magnifico Ginormous
    August 3, 2017 at 4:56 pm

    He’ll probably act like SJWs don’t actually exist next, then tomorrow when they do something that personally pisses he’ll be scratching his head wondering how they got their power in the first place.

  73. Marc Duarte
    Marc Duarte
    August 3, 2017 at 5:13 pm

    Who else but the SJW cucks would have a problem with Mario wearing traditional Mexican attire? I’m of Mexican descent and don’t find it the least bit offensive, but then again, I’m a gringo through and through and only embrace my ethnic heritage as far as eating the food. Despite that, I don’t understand how anybody of Mexican descent could possibly be offended when their unique culture is being positively represented in a high-profile title like a Mario game.

    And one need only look at Nintendo’s recent track record to know that them removing a costume from a game would be completely within the realm of possibility. (After all, their infamous LOLcalization team Memehouse has no shown no qualms with doing it in the past. Heck, they’ve removed entire features like the petting mini-game in Fire Emblem IF – in addition to the swimsuits – so there’s your undeniable proof right there that it can happen.)

  74. O.H. X-1990
    O.H. X-1990
    August 3, 2017 at 5:17 pm


  75. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 3, 2017 at 5:42 pm

    Its not about the box art, its about freedom of speech. Nintendo shouldn’t have to feel pressured into removing the Sombrero picture just because some fags on twitter whined about it.

    Also, its our right as fans to criticize whatever stupid decision Nintendo makes.

  76. DariusQ
    August 3, 2017 at 5:50 pm

    “As long as it is still in the game.”

    This here. Nintendo are still weak sauce for even answering to the feigned cries of outrage but net result is they didn’t actually do anything. I consider that a win.

  77. Neojames82
    August 3, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    Fucking pussies…

    Also, for some of the fools saying this isn’t a big deal as long as it isn’t removed from the game? Well if it wasn’t a big deal in the first place, why the hell remove it from the box art in the first place?!

  78. PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS
    August 3, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    Because somebody made a big deal out of nothing and the big N folded faster than Superman on laundry day : )

  79. VersVlees
    August 3, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    Weren’t the current year games journalists praising this game and then got told to fuck off by the developer because they bitched about the art cover?

  80. PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS
    August 3, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    I’m just grateful the anti-sjw warriors are doing all the leg work so I can sit back, enjoy, and be a lazy, beer-gutted American materialist. Thanks guys!

  81. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 6:11 pm

    Since the game isn’t out we don’t know shit isn’t removed from the game… There’s nothing to tell Nintendo.

    And I call out SJWs on the stupid shit they say on other forums I frequent when they come around. :p

  82. GamesGoodMeGood
    August 3, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    Also, for some of the fools saying this isn’t a big deal as long as it isn’t removed from the game? Well if it wasn’t a big deal in the first place, why the hell remove it from the box art in the first place?!

    Indeed. And these same fools usually end up wondering why SJWs keep getting away with the s*it they do.

  83. CatCouch
    August 3, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    This is exactly how I feel about the argument over women in games. The attempt to deal with issues like racism and sexism are so sloppily handled it actually creates more problems. We just see developers and publishers afraid to add women and minorities now due to possible backlash.

    The racists and sexists win in the end. It’s kind of funny, actually, but it still hurts people like me who actually care about games as an art form.

  84. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    Right-winger chasing boogeyman, making a minor issue a major one because they thrive on controversy.

    Its fucking stupid when a bunch of SJWs bitched on behalf of Mexicans. Its fucking stupid when the antis think everything that happens is because of SJWs.

  85. GamesGoodMeGood
    August 3, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    Right-winger chasing boogeyman

    Not even a right-winger.

    making a minor issue a major one because they thrive on controversy.

    Don’t say that to me pal. Tell that to the leftists and SJWs instead.

    Its fucking stupid when a bunch of SJWs bitched on behalf of Mexicans. Its fucking stupid when the antis think everything that happens is
    because of SJWs.

    Well at least you admit there that it may be due to the SJWs, despite you trying to deny it earlier and then later in this comment I quoted. There, that wasn’t so hard was it? =)

    And don’t you remember a few weeks ago when the SJWs whined about the Mexican thing? It was all over Twitter, Reddit and various other forms of social media. Did you miss it? Or have you conveniently forgotten?

    That controversy of that situation makes it all the more likely that the censorship is down to SJWs.

  86. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    Nintendo censoring sexual content in games they publish is nothing new… And while folks love to blame it on the SJWs, it predates internet activism.

    Hell, even them covering a bum in Fire Emblem: Awakening happened before gaming communities became a hot bed for culture warriors on both sides. Its just a Nintendo thing.

    But I’ve yet to see them edit nonsexual content.

  87. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    I didn’t miss it. Again, correlation does mean causation.

    That shot happened at E3. Weeks ago. The change happened a few days ago… After NoJ promoted a new water-based world space.

    I mean, it could be SJWs. But I that seems like a bit of a reach all things considered.

  88. Francesco Azzena
    Francesco Azzena
    August 3, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    Aztecs, mayas, incas, mapuches, northern america natives are all white skinned like the berbers.. ((tuareg are berbers and -sometimes- (sometimes they are white – look at berber tuareg Tinariwen band for example) are brown because they are mixed with bantu african like the moors, hausa, fula, toubou, toucouleur and others genetically related ethnicities))
    I repeat black africans are the only black skinned humans of the Earth.. The others are all variations of white.. There are some who are whiter (pink) than others but they are all genetically white..
    White people does not mean “anglo-saxons” or “germano-scandinavian”.. White means people with a white pigmentation (in reality pink).. Otherwise arabs would be considered “black” and that is a stupid and false statement.
    Judging ethnicities by 17/18/19th racist and false non-scientific concepts like skin colour or “race” is pretty simplistic and prone to create erroneous statements..
    Also you should consider that most of the time brown peoples are so because of sun tanning and outside work..
    The only right method to cataloguing ethnicities is by mitochondrial dna and Y chromosome dna haplogroups..

  89. GameZard
    August 3, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    Man Nintendo has no balls.

  90. GameZard
    August 3, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    Why do you casuals always enabled SJWs?

  91. GameZard
    August 3, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    You the fuck cares about physical games anyway?

  92. GameZard
    August 3, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    You Nintendrones never fail to amuse me.

  93. GameZard
    August 3, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    Of course you would. Never stop being the cuck that you was born to be.

  94. OzymandiasAeonis
    August 3, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    They’ve given them a opening to fuck them right into the ground, “if it’s not a problem then why did you remove it from the box?” is all they have to do to get them to fold.

  95. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 3, 2017 at 10:10 pm

    Its not so much enabling them as thinking they aren’t nearly as problematic as some folks think outside the internet or *some* college campuses. Some folks seem to think they have more power and influence than they actually do.

  96. Marc Duarte
    Marc Duarte
    August 3, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    Explain the change in Bravely Second where the native American costume was replaced with a less controversial cowboy one. Don’t think for a second Nintendo didn’t have any involvement in that decision. Their reach extends farther than you think.

  97. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    August 4, 2017 at 12:23 am

    Ah, even we Flips are experiencing SJW rot, too.

  98. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    August 4, 2017 at 12:27 am

    I’m sure this will net Nintendo some serious libbucks for kowtowing to the perpetually offended.

    Or not. But as long as diehard “to the point of cuckoldry” fans defend this, Nintendo’s bottomline isn’t affected. How does it feel to stand on no principle whatsoever?

  99. huzi
    August 4, 2017 at 12:54 am

    I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say it was changed because it was a crappy screenshot. See how blurry Mario is, and how it’s mostly one color?

  100. Dliberty
    August 4, 2017 at 1:07 am

    Berbers are the so called (dark whites) whose history as Europeans predates the caucasian migration into southern and Western Europe. Whist most indigenous peoples of the Americas are descended from a plethora of tribes that migrated into America following the lower coastlines of the latest glacial period; that includes the ancestors of mainly eastern Asian phenotype but perhaps even Caucasians migrated over from Western Asia, as some far eastern peoples such as the Ainu of Japan are what most would consider anatomically “white”. But to consider either of these peoples as “white” is rather ridiculous in the traditional sense the term is applied. You’re right that skin colour is not the defining factor of human differentiation but there are clearly understood phenotypes of human beings that are anatomically based, so you can just blank label any non African “white”, that’s an oversimplification to the max.

  101. TT
    August 4, 2017 at 4:04 am

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and believe it was just them deciding to slightly alter it, though thanks to those spastics whining about it, it’s really hard to tell. As long as it’s still in the game, this isn’t much of an issue.

  102. Arenegeth
    August 4, 2017 at 4:08 am

    I honestly don’t care as long as its still in the actual game.

    Oh don’t get me wrong, I hate the fact that these people are still gaining in power and still manage to bully developers/publishers to change things based on manufactured outrage and politically correct nitpicking. But the reality is, they already won. The moment they managed to affect anything at all using identity politics, they fucked an already creatively bankrupt industry (for other reasons) to the ground.

    So the fact that we still getting games that are not direct Ministry of Truth propaganda pieces is a victory for us, and I rather get what I can from modern gaming before the whole thing comes crushing down.

  103. Jettythesunfish
    August 4, 2017 at 6:19 am

    But you have to admit SOMETHING went on. Why only remove Sombrero Mario from the box?

  104. Shattno
    August 4, 2017 at 9:16 am

    What do you mean freedom of speech? Nintendo is free to do whatever they want, no one is forcing them to do anything, as a matter of fact they are practising their freedom of expression by changing the boxart of their game. They do this because someone somewhere in the company thinks this is a good business strategy. I’m a computer scientist and not an economist or business strategist so I have no idea if this is the right decision or not, and while we as consumers have the right to complain I don’t have the hubris to second guess Nintendos business plans as I have zero experience running a multinational corporation.

  105. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 4, 2017 at 10:04 am

    There is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that this was a politically motivated change, due to the negative feedback from SJWs regarding Mario’s sombrero, and NoA’s history of censorship.

    Censoring art out of fear doesn’t sound like living in a society that encourages freedom of speech. You don’t need to be an academic or entrepreneur to know when pandering to SJWs is a bad business decision, its always bad because they are never satisfied.

  106. Shattno
    August 4, 2017 at 10:56 am

    Yes of course it’s political, Nintendo have always done things like this, removing blood from Mortal combat, removing swastikas from Bionic Commando, removing religious imagery from Final Fantasy. This is how the business world works, you look at the market and you make decisions based on what you see.That doesn’t mean it’s censorship. I feel that the word censorship gets thrown around a lot without people understanding what it is. This is not censorship, censorship is when the government in China forbids images of Winnie the Pooh because he looks like the president. What Nintendo does is simply trying to adapt to the market, all companies do this. They don’t have to, no one is forcing them, but they believe this is the best for the company.

    But hey, if you are so great at determining if a decision is good or bad and what groups not to pander to, why aren’t you running Nintendo then? Or better yet, start you own competing company, with your good decisions and Nintendo’s bad ones you will dominate the market in no time, no?

  107. Francesco Azzena
    Francesco Azzena
    August 4, 2017 at 10:57 am

    No, in fact I labeled also some non-bantu africans “white”.. And you are right, this is a semplification because I did not want to talk in depth of genetic matters like skin pigmentation, complexion and gene alleles because that is only an hobby of mine and because I am not a geneticist and most importantly my native language is sardinian and italian not english so it is sorta bothersome to me talking about complex things.
    By the way in Europe we do not accept terms like “dark whites”.. Those terms reek of national-socialist/fascist theory of the race and are banned here.. I only said that people who have a europoid/afro-asiatic/asiatic phenotype are anatomically and visually white.. Just look at pictures of ainu, nivkh, tungusic peoples, taiwan (formosa) aborigines, mayas, atzecs (nahua), incas (aymara/quecha), northern america natives, berbers/tuareg, etc in Google images and ask yourself if these peoples are not white.. They look pretty white to me.. They even have light coloured eyes sometimes.. E.g.: Zinedine Zidane..

  108. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 4, 2017 at 11:33 am

    So basically you’re saying just because someone is in a position of power, then they can do no wrong? Wtf is that shit?

    Removing the blood from Mortal Kombat resulted in the Sega Genesis beating the SNES for a good year, which then resulted in Nintendo allowing the blood in MK2 and 3. Removing religious references was done out of fear of conservative activists which were very present in the 90’s, however it didn’t hurt Sony when they allowed Square to keep the references. Sony and Sega proved that its more profitable to listen to real gamers instead of political activists.

    Part of the definition of Censorship is removing anything that is deemed politically unacceptable. SJWs claimed that Mario wearing a sombrero was politically incorrect, so Nintendo downplayed it out of fear of being blacklisted as racists by the press. SJWs have been known to use tactics such as blackmail and no platforming to fight anything that harms their agenda, so its very likely Nintendo feared this, I mean look at what happened to Tim Soret or James Rolfe.

    Also, where do you go off saying that whiny activists are the mass market, when most gamers get angry over their games getting censored? The mainstream gaming press is outdated, alternative sources like streamers or enthusiast journalists like this site get more traffic because they have no political agenda, and this is why gamers get annoyed when their favorite companies kowtow to a bunch of vocal minorities. It doesn’t take being an entrepreneur to know ahead of time that ignoring your audience is a bad business decision, after all failing sites like Kotaku did say “gamers are dead”, also look what happened to Marvel and Bioware when they favored SJWs instead of their real audience.

    If McDonalds started selling dog shit instead of burgers, does that mean I’d have to open my own burger joint to determine that selling dog shit is a bad idea? You’re pathetic attempt at trying to deflect constructive criticism by pointing out I’m not an entrepreneur is redundant, all it takes is common sense to realize that ignoring the majority of your audience is bad business ethics.

  109. Shattno
    August 4, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Holy shit. Ok, listen, all I’m saying is Nintendo is a private company and the people making the decisions have free will. As we both know Nintendo does this shit all the time, it doesn’t mean it’s good decisions, I never said that, but Nintendo is still here and selling consoles and that’s more than you can say about Sega.

    Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that this is censorship. That doesn’t change the fact that this happens all the time to all companies, sometimes you have to change a product in order to sell it. Take IKEA for example, they have a dedicated team that checks so none of their products have names that are offensive in some language, if a name is found to be offensive then they change it. The same goes for Nintendo, if they think that a sombrero will be offensive then they remove it. It’s simple business.

    I never said that whining activists are the majority, where do you get that? The simple truth is that the vast majority doesn’t give a fuck if sombrero Mario is on the boxart or not, the only people who cares are SJWs and the nichegamer salt mines.

    But ok, you’re not an entrepreneur and I’m not, and it’s bad business to ignore your audience and pander to vocal minorities. But if Nintendo makes all these mistakes then by the laws of capitalism they should fail and be replaced by a competitor. But they are still here, so clearly they are doing something right.

  110. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 4, 2017 at 1:05 pm

    I never said they were devoid of any free will, I’m just criticizing when they don’t fully exercise it due to letting others frame the political and cultural narrative. I was only talking about Sega in 1993 when they briefly did better than Nintendo. Part of the reason Sega eventually lost was because they falsely assumed western audiences massively rejected RPGs, which Sony went on to prove otherwise, once again showing that its better to listen to your audience wants.

    If the majority of Ikea’s customers don’t give a shit about the name of something and even prefer it unchanged, then pandering to the vocal minority isn’t profitable. Like with Mario, the only ones who were offended were a vocal minority of SJWs on social media and shitty clickbait sites, while the majority of gamers(including Hispanic ones) were defending it, so remind me once again, what would Nintendo have lost by leaving the Sombrero on the cover? Besides the respect of a few whiny individuals who probably weren’t going to play the game anyway, nothing, so you really don’t know business if you think the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.

    You said the censorship was done to please the masses, but then admit that the masses never gave a shit in the first place. so you just contradicted yourself.

    Nintendo only succeeds because they haven’t completely sacrificed themselves on the altar of SJWs like how Marvel and Bioware did.

  111. Dliberty
    August 4, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    I’m getting the feeling that your Sardinian/ Saracen heritage is a sore point for you and that skin colour valuation is more prevelant in your nation than you’re willing to admit. Europeans are not beacons of racial harmony so you can give up that facade and I’m pretty sure the term “dark white” came from British anthropologists not German Eugenics. It’s simple, “white” is generally a racial category reserved for Nordic Caucasians and even other Caucasians, including Arian Indians and Slavic peoples are not considered “white” in the traditional sense because of the mixed race heritage of the Eurasian steppes. Climate determines colour, race is genetic, embrace your non-whiteness as a Sardinian and no anatomically I wouldn’t consider any of those peoples “white”.

  112. Shattno
    August 4, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    You’d be surprised by what makes people buy or not buy things. Would you buy a product named Fart? Fart in this case means speed in Swedish, but you knew that, just like all other customers who will buy this product with a not at all disgusting name knows that. Thing is, most people don’t think when they shop, they go by instinct, so products with unappealing names or looks don’t get chosen. This is an entire science.

    I’m not defending their choice, I don’t care either way, I’m defending their right to make it. Again, I have no idea if it’s a good decision or not, but I am confident that the people making the decisions believe they are making the best decisions for the company.

    I never said censorship was done to please the masses, you must have misunderstood me.

  113. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 4, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    If I went to Sweden, I would be a minority as an English speaker, so it would be stupid to change the word of a product because it has a negative association with a slang word from a foreign language just to please me. There is no logical reason to change it since most of the paying customers are Swedish and have a completely different understanding of the word. I agree its a basic part of business to supply what most customers want, but you’re still talking about a minority of customers who technically don’t matter.

    I never said Nintendo shouldn’t be able to do what they please, idk why you even implied it. I’m just criticizing their pointless decision of pandering to a whiny vocal minority, because all it does is let them further frame the narrative, while annoying the real audience. I believe McDonalds thinks they’re making the right decision when they sell dog shit, doesn’t mean it doesn’t deserved to be criticized when its pissing off their customer base.

    You basically said removing the Sombrero was a good business practice because it was hurting people’s feelings. I explained why its bullshit because the amount of people whos feelings were hurt are irrelevant.

  114. Shattno
    August 4, 2017 at 2:20 pm

    You do realise IKEA has stores in 48 countries right? So the Swedish speaking customers are a minority.

    I understand that you criticise the decision, and you are in your right to do so, but I am of the opinion that the amount of people who care either way is so small that this is a non issue, especially because it’s Nintendo because they always do shit like this.

    I think they argue like this: x amount of people are offended by the sombrero, if we remove it we offend y amount of people, if x > y we remove the sombrero, else we keep it. Because x and y are unknown you use your best estimate.

  115. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 4, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    To give to box more color and make each section pop a little more? Sombrero Mario seemed to sort of blend in with its surroundings and showing Mario do something more dynamic than standing there shows more variety in gameplay.

  116. Sean Sharpe
    Sean Sharpe
    August 4, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    I’ll admit that I forgot the change in Bravely Second, largely because was a “seemless” edit that didn’t feel out of place.

    So maybe they’ll change it after all!

    I still doubt it. The game will come out, nothing will change, and everyone will forget about this and all Mario Odyssey talk will become the same shit that happen s when Nintendo release a flagship game; how fucking great it is and how its GOAT or how reviewers are bought off and the game is shit.

  117. No_Good_Names_Ever
    August 4, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    They’re an entertainment company and this move does not entertain.

  118. No_Good_Names_Ever
    August 4, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    I would think Russia would eventually fall from the other nations having Putin quietly assassinated before putting someone in his place in support of their bullshit but Europe would now be a huge liability if anything with planning that and Canada is beyond useless in anything. Unless we end up with someone else in support of that bullshit after Trump, we’d likely end up in the same position as Europe. I’m honestly surprised none of the armed forces in the really fucked countries hasn’t attempted a coup yet.

  119. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 4, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    I was talking in terms of being in Sweden. What you’re describing is localization which isn’t a politically motivated change lol. Political would be if Ikea stopped selling Hotdogs because Muslims don’t like pork.

    Except the fans who don’t want politics in their games greatly outnumber political activists, and you admit this yourself when you said most gamers don’t care for politics. So once again, there is no practical reason to listen to whiny SJWs since they are a minority of the fanbase. It also weird how you go from saying SJWs are the majority of the fanbase, to saying theyre not, and now saying theyre half?

  120. Mr. New Vegas
    Mr. New Vegas
    August 4, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    Good good, most nintendo fanboys are liberals so let them eat their own BS for once.

  121. Snorlaxation
    August 4, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    No, I don’t speak for all mexican or mexican americans, but I am one, and I fail to see how any of Mario’s actions so far have in any way required this or been prejudicial or racist?
    Wearing a sombrero in the desert? Dancing with skeletons who play with Maracas? Playing guitar?
    Ok, so after typing it out, yes, it’s a LITTLE stereotypical, but that’s hardly a crime or warranting anything close to this level of response.
    But as long as it’s still in the game, and remains UNTOUCHED, then that’s enough for me.

  122. GameZard
    August 4, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    I just love how you people pick and choose your stances.

  123. Snorlaxation
    August 4, 2017 at 4:05 pm

    The reason for the backlash is because of shit writing.
    Oh we need more women in games? Ok, how about a chick with big breasts bouncing when she walks?

    There are supposed to be actual writers or concept artists with actual talent, how do they make such bonehead choices?

    Of course, those aren’t the only times things go wrong.
    “why is laura croft getting beat up so much! That’s mistreatment of women!” Except she’s in dangerous locales dealing with other hunters, so what’d you expect? Barbie horse adventures?

    There’s always other alternatives, but I don’t expect japan to get it right, which pretty much just leaves the u.s., which is a mixed bag.

  124. Snorlaxation
    August 4, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    Imagine? Just imagine if enough italian or italian/americans got together and started protesting? I’d love to see the backlash if only for how nintendo would respond.

  125. Mr. New Vegas
    Mr. New Vegas
    August 4, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    They never had, nor their fanboys.

  126. Shattno
    August 4, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    IKEA have the same names on all their stuff in all countries, that’s why they check the names so thoroughly. Also I’m sure they don’t serve hot dogs with pork in muslim countries. My point is that sometimes it’s good business to do these things, sometimes not, as I explained with the equation.

    Dude, I never said players don’t care for politics, I said they don’t care about politics, big difference, also I never said SJWs where the majority nor did I say they where half. I’m aware they are a minority, but so are they people who get upset over the change. If Nintendo sell one extra game because they removed the sombrero it was worth it for the company. Will they? I have no idea, but someone at Nintendo probably did the math and a nice PowerPoint and the decision was made.

  127. Shattno
    August 4, 2017 at 4:40 pm


  128. CatCouch
    August 4, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    There isn’t a “right” to get. We should strive for more variety for more people with different views, not taking away the stuff there is already an audience for. We won’t have more variety if we spend all day shaming everything that doesn’t appeal to us.

    Some games are fine having big breasts in them, like Dragon’s Crown. Some games are fine have non-idealized women like Horizon. One persons right is another persons wrong, These are opinions, not facts. I like sexy women in some of my games, am I now wrong?

    I hope we learn some lessons here before we just devolve all our art down to mush to “appeal to everyone”. Restricting art for a greater good will always backfire because there will never be a point where everyone or even a majority agree on what that “good” is. Social media makes that pretty obvious.

    Like, I want more gay art in games like Mass Effect, others don’t. Should we just argue gay art is a problem and shame it with overreaching, generic arguments like “bad writing” and push for less of it? Should we just remove it because it causes controversy and tell the people that like it to get over it?

    Unfortunately, the alternatives seem to be less women, less sexuality, less anything possibly controversial. I don’t want games like MVC Infinite to be the norm where we get 4 women for a 30+ roster, you know? I love not just those games but all games for the women, always have and always will. I’m an artist because of how passionate about it~

  129. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 4, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    Again, youre talking about localization, which is a completely different thing from political correctness. Perhaps I should have specified, it would be political if Ikea got rid of Hotdogs in a European or American country where Muslims are a minority, and this would be stupid because the majority of the people in those countries don’t believe in that Halal crap.

    “Dude, I never said players don’t care for politics, I said they don’t care about politics, big difference” Umm what? lol, thats literally the same thing.

    Dude, you defended Nintendo’s decision to remove the sombrero because you think theyre doing it on the behalf of their entire audience, when in reality its a small minority. It actually would have sold more if they left it, because a lot of gamers are pretty harsh on NoA’s censorship. There are more gamers who get annoyed over their games getting censored than there are SJWs who demand games get censored, this is evident with the Mortal Kombat example I brought up earlier.

    Also the decision was most likely made by the cucks at NoA who don’t want to be called “racist”. Once again, I don’t know why you assume theyre infallible because of the prestige of their company, when they have made plenty of stupid decisions before, like censoring Mortal Kombat or refusing to have proper online.

  130. Snorlaxation
    August 4, 2017 at 7:07 pm

    There already is variety though. Japan is never going to change, so their market of boobtube is set, that just leaves the u.s. or european markets to come up with other alternatives, but even then, we have to deal with so many conflicting desires and bizarre reactions (like assassin’s creed and their fuck ups, or Star Ocean 5 and their dumb choice with the panties) that trying to change anything seems like the wrong choice.

    Where does one go when no one seems to understand and it takes forever for you voice to be heard anyway? I’d love more games with more gay characters or even as protagonists, that doesn’t mean I want a harem game or a situation where the protag’s sexuality is brought up or referenced all the damn time.

  131. Shattno
    August 4, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    Localisation can be political, what flys in one market may not in another. The removal of swastikas in the western version of Bionic Commando is an example of this.

    To not care for something is to dislike it, to not care about something is to have no opinion. What I’m saying is that most people don’t care either way, they just want to play a game.

    I don’t defend their decision, I defend their right to make it. I don’t think they made the decision on the behalf of the entire audience, I never said that, stop putting words in my mouth.
    How do you know it would have sold more, that’s impossible to know, we can only speculate, especially since the game is not out yet. The group of people who get upset over the removal of a hat is about as big as the group who gets upset over it being there, most people don’t care.

    Neither you nor I know where or why the decision was made, again we can only speculate. Why do you think I assume they are infallible? I don’t assume anything, I’m saying that it’s a private company, they have the right to do whatever they want, within legal limits. If they want to pander to SJWs and censor their games they are in their full right to do so, and will probably do if they think they can make more money than way. They don’t care about art, freedom of speech or political correctness, all they care about is dollars and yen.

    Again, this specific case is a non issue, no one cares about the stupid boxart except for SJWs and the nichegamer salt patrol. That was my original statement and I’m sticking with it.

  132. CatCouch
    August 4, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    I think there is a lot of places for games to branch out to, especially on the non-violence side. Lack of variety is probably one of the reasonable critiques for games.

    Repeatedly arguing that Japan is sexist and whatnot, a common theme in the western gaming press, will not help and likely only hinder games as it splits the fan bases and pits them against each other. I get the impression you don’t like Japanese games since you’ve brought them up as lost causes twice. Perhaps I’m mistaken, this is the internet, but that implies my interests are “wrong”.

    Why can’t people have gay harem games? Just because you don’t want it doesn’t make it wrong. Notice how the press liked that Dream Dad gay dating sim. That’s good, now if only they wouldn’t call me sexist for liking the same thing with women then we could see some progress.

    You’re right that our voices, as consumers, don’t seem to be heard considering how poor the decision making for games is. No one wants to buy censored games, yet I routinely see game journalists praise or ask for censorship. Why is that? I even talked to Bob Mackey from US Gamer after he called for Fiore to be censored in Star Ocean 5. He really believed games would be better off if they didn’t have art he disagreed with in them. Such a terrible way to view art, it’s at complete odds with the consumer. Why is it so hard to understand that people might buy those games because of the art? If it has to be censored for you to enjoy it it just might not be for you, that’s the logical stance.

    Let people have the games they want without calling into question every decision made and maybe we’ll have more people willing to make games you enjoy. Nintendo shouldn’t be afraid to have Mexican representation in their games, All this will do is make it harder for Mexican representation in future games as the precedent is set now. I mean, who even complained about it and why do they has enough power to get Nintendo to bend on their creation?

  133. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 4, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    What you named wasn’t a political example, if you translate something to avoid confusion, thats not political unless its done to avoid offending someone. So no point dragging this out any further when I made it clear like five times.

    Okay, I never said they don’t have a right to make whatever decision they want, so I don’t know why you keep implying I said that. There is a better chance it would have sold more, for example, Mortal Kombat sold more on the Genesis because it wasn’t altered to please a political agenda. Again, its not simply just a hat, you can minimize the issue as much as you want, but its still about the principal of not having to feel pressure to change something because of political correctness.

    You have absolutely nothing to suggest the change was made for personal artistic reasons, however I can easily point to just a few weeks ago when SJWs whined about it, and NoA’s history of censorship to meet a political criteria. The fact that you still say coincidence after all this just proves you’re either ignorant or compromised.

    “Again, this specific case is a non issue” and this kind of thinking is exactly my problem. You think you’re taking some kind of moral high ground, but really you’re just letting the SJWs and anyone else who wants to push an agenda frame the narrative with your passivity. It can start with them policing something as trivial as the box art, but it can get so much worse if we just sit by, so what you call “saltmining” is people who care for the hobby and don’t want it to get ruined a la Communist style.

  134. Jettythesunfish
    August 5, 2017 at 5:28 am

    Hmmm….I dunno. It’s still suspect to single out the one that SJWs were crying “cultural appropriation” about.

  135. Nuku Nuku Natsume Mishima
    Nuku Nuku Natsume Mishima
    August 5, 2017 at 6:57 am

    The funny thing is that the Mexicans are angry with the SJW with the change XD. Ask to the mexicans about it?, why, we are superior, we can talk for them, their oppinion is not neccesary,, we know what is better for them.

  136. Shattno
    August 5, 2017 at 10:13 am

    The IKEA thing is done to not offend, same thing as a lot of car models have different names in different countries, or when they renamed Pippi Longstockings in France. I understand that it’s not the same as the sombrero thing, my point is that sometimes companies do these kinds of things. So the reason Nintendo changed the boxart, pressured or not, was because they think it will make them more money.

    I understand that you think it’s a terrible thing when people can pressure companies like this, I do to, and in an utopia this wouldn’t happen, but be realistic. It’s a consequence of having an open society with free speech, this is not going away, there is always going to be a group complaining about something, and companies will always throw artistic freedom under the buss if they think it’s in their economic interest.

    If they had removed the character from the game you would have seen a completely different attitude from me, I would kick and scream with the rest of you, but this time it’s just a small change to the boxart, and as I write in my original post, I couldn’t care less about this.

    To put this into perspective and tie it back to the first part, there is this candy in Sweden, small rice puffs covered in chocolate called Kina, Swedish for China. On the cover they had a stylised Chinese person, this was deemed racist and they were pressured into removing it. My reaction : zero fucks were given. You know why? Because it’s the same fucking candy, only in a bag with a new design. And you could argue that they shouldn’t have to change, and I agree they shouldn’t have to, but they did, out of their own free will, so that’s that, end of story. No law forced them, no one held a gun to their head, they made a business decision, good or bad, and that’s all.

  137. Muten
    August 5, 2017 at 11:33 am

    Im not from the US, but when i think about “The American People”, three things come to mind, a Cowboy, a Rapper and a Cheerleader, fourth maybe a Military man. you tell me if that offends you.

  138. MusouTensei
    August 5, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    Everyone does, don’t kid yourself.

  139. GameZard
    August 5, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    No you just have no integrity.

  140. Snorlaxation
    August 5, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    Nintendo has occasionally been known to want to avoid controversy the minute they hear something bad said by someone, but ill be honest, I’m pretty sure whoever complained was probably not Mexican.

    As for Japan, I love their games, love jrpgs, love bara and all kinds of stuff they put out, but they’re so sex obsessed, especially with a young category of fictional characters, that sex leaks into so much stuff when it doesn’t need to.

    How badly had Japan represented black people making them look barely human, or gay people as overly feminine sex crazed fiends?

    Their lack of knowledge and prejudices (along with their inability to realize when they’ve legitimately crossed a line for people outside their country) leave a impression that means I know what they’re good at, and what they seem incapable of doing

  141. CatCouch
    August 5, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    The stupid thing about some of these controversies is how hard they can be to track down the origin. I see the Guardian and Polygon call Horizon Zero Dawn offensive to Native Americans but after really looking for where that came from it appeared to be a post by a woman who later tweeted that Polygon misinterpreted her. So no one said it was offensive yet it’s reported as offensive multiple times over months. The media can be absolutely horrible with things like this.

    I have no idea who said sombrero Mario was a problem. I’ve never seen a complaint yet Nintendo took some action. That worries me a lot considering how they handled Fire Emblem Fates. I just won’t buy their games if they have no faith in their art.

    I also don’t agree with the idea of trashing Japan over generalized views about them. Since we’re not mentioning any specific games on the sex and race front this can easily slide into bigoted and xenophobic territory. I’m just sick of people calling art I like “wrong” by citing how call ignorant, sexist and racist Japan is. This is a part of our culture that needs to die now, No more slandering people for not fitting our personal views. Not saying you’re doing this per se, but it’s always the same M.O.: surface level observations from people who can’t see that the stuff they’re attacking doesn’t appeal to them.

    If you’re gay I can see why a lot of the straight male focused art from Japan wouldn’t appeal to you but it does appeal to me. It opens a pretty big can of worms when we have to pit different countries cultures and different sexual orientations against each other, you know?

  142. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 6, 2017 at 12:00 am

    Localizing something because some languages interpret words a different way still isn’t political. To use your example, most people in english speaking countries associate the word fart with flatulence, and they would most likely have misconceptions of the product, so the name is changed to avoid confusion and to attract sales. Nobodies feelings would be hurt over that, and its not the consumers who pressured the change, so this whole argument is irrelevant to the sombrero point.

    Umm…this is the opposite of free speech. People can complain all they want about something, but its no longer free speech if you have to censor something controversial just to please a vocal minority. Also, its statistically not in the company’s best interest to censor something that most of their fans weren’t offended over. I’m sure there are customers who are offended by McDonalds not selling dog shit, but they don’t matter since the majority of McDonald’s customer base buys burgers, so there is no economical benefit to pandering to them.

    You’re still not getting it. When you isolate the Sombrero situation, yeah it seems stupid, but its a matter of principal. First you let them ban a small thing, and then the tone police will gain full control. Just because it doesn’t affect you personally now, doesn’t mean it potentially can’t in the future. I’m still going to play Mario Odyssey, but if Nintendo continues to kowtow in the future to these people and end up like Bioware, then I’m done with them.

    To put it into perspective, people were being ridiculed around a decade or so ago for saying that pedophilia normalization would come after legalizing homosexual marriage. Now we have plenty of progressive sites like Salon saying that pedophilia is just an “orientation”. My point is that even the slightest bit of pandering to an ideologue will eventually lead to a slippery slope, which is why even something as tiny as the Sombrero thing annoys me.

  143. Shattno
    August 6, 2017 at 8:19 am

    I understand that this annoys you, and that it annoys a lot of people who don’t share the views of the people complaining, but my entire point is that it is up to the company to decide if they want to listen or not. It might be statistically bad to listen to a small whiny minority but it’s up to the company to decide what to do. No one is letting anyone ban anything, it’s not illegal to put cartoon Italians with Mexican hats on video game covers, a certain company just chose not to.

    A tldr of my opinion on this thing:
    Everyone has the right to complain, even SJWs.
    Companies have the right to listen to whiny minorities and change their products, or not, it’s their choice.
    As long as everyone is exercising their free will everything is good in the world.
    Only when governments say you can’t do something it becomes censorship.

    Also, I’m not touching the pedophilia thing with a ten foot pole.

  144. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 6, 2017 at 10:26 am

    Again, I never said a company has no right to do something. I’m just saying that they shouldn’t let a vocal minority frame the narrative. Also, youd be surprised what laws SJWs have passed.

    Its also not really exercising free will when you do things out of fear. Its like saying a battered housewife is exercising her free will by letting her husband beat her, when in reality she wants to run away.

    You shouldn’t touch pedophiles with a pole, you should beat them to death with it.

  145. Shattno
    August 6, 2017 at 11:31 am

    Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn’t, I’ll leave that to them to decide. But no, doing something out of fear is not free will, it’s called blackmail, and that’s illegal. If Nintendo is being blackmailed they should go to the police. So should the housewife, as beating your spouse is illegal. If they don’t they only have themselves to blame when the company fails and the husband finally beats her to death.

    I don’t really like the death penalty, but I can see castration and lobotomy to be a fair punishment for someone who rapes children.

  146. TheOnceAndFutureKing
    August 6, 2017 at 11:37 am

    “Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn’t, I’ll leave that to them to
    decide. But no, doing something out of fear is not free will, it’s
    called blackmail, and that’s illegal. If Nintendo is being blackmailed
    they should go to the police. So should the housewife, as beating your
    spouse is illegal. If they don’t they only have themselves to blame when
    the company fails and the husband finally beats her to death.”

    I agree, except SJWs use defamation as a way of blackmailing people, and they get away with it because they always present it under the guise of “social justice”.

    Also If you’re going to take away someones sex drive and ability to think, then they might as well be dead.

  147. Shattno
    August 6, 2017 at 11:49 am

    Yeah defamation suck, no one wants to be called a racist . The thing is that either you are a racist, and then it’s fine, racists should be labelled such, or you are not a racist, in which case it’s slander. If I where Nintendo I would let them call me a racist for having a hat on the cover, then suing them for slander, and let the court decide. (actually I would probably just ignore the whole thing, that’s how I deal with most of my problems, deadlines included)

    I mean you have a point, I’m just of the opinion that a country should not be in the business of killing its own citizens.

  148. GameZard
    August 6, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    The truth hurts you?

  149. Francesco Azzena
    Francesco Azzena
    August 7, 2017 at 6:49 am

    Saracens never even won a battle in Sardinia, we fought them and defeated their invasions.. Learn history or shut up racist.

  150. Snorlaxation
    August 7, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    I’ll be honest, Japan is a mess when it comes to sexual freedom. Women are now entering the workforce in far greater numbers, and are actually being offered money apparently to have kids instead due to low birth rates. They refuse to acknowledge homosexuality or HIV sufferers, and all in all studies seem to show they’re very repressed sexually, which has led to manga and games with very sexual characters and plots etc.

    Even so, I don’t have issues with sex, no one should (except of course those who suffered from sexual crimes, but even then) and I’m bisexual, so sexy women and sexy men are both things I enjoy. But Japan as a whole is very overt with their sexualization of things, and also unbalanced when it comes to representation.

    Nothing is wrong with the sexual content itself, but the reasons why they exist (in japan) is where the issue lies. No one should be shaming others for their tastes (unless their like super illegal I guess), so i get where you’re coming from there.

  151. CatCouch
    August 7, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    I just wish these issues were handled well outside of forums. I rarely if ever see these issues come up in a way that’s not an insult to some group. The worst is the hypocrisy; telling people they need to be sensitive to others by getting rid of labels and then in the same breath brand one group, race, gender as sexist and racist or something. Way too common.

    Oddly enough the best discussions seem to come from forums, the same forums larger websites label childish and full of hate.

    As for sexuality, I really wish more publications shared your views. I don’t see many articles that don’t shame sexual content in some form, usually with an accusatory eye at men for entertainment preferences, like games. I can’t count the amount of times I’ve been stereotyped as a basement dweller with no education and small genitals who must hate women.

    When it comes to Japan or any other culture, I think it’s hard to gauge what a balanced representation would be. They don’t have the same demographics as, say, the US. I see people use the US as a one size fits all template for what’s acceptable and that just doesn’t work. Politics is a common put down too, I must be a Trump supporter if I don’t agree with Anita Sarkeesian, stuff like that.

    Anyway, If the population statistics are generally correct for Japan, they’re 98.5% Japanese. What balance would be appropriate for their entertainment then? Who decides what proportion of their characters need to be black or any other race?

    Sadly, I don’t think people care about issues like homophobia and racism in Japan, they just want to push their personal issues forward and if it’s easier to use Japan as a platform to get their way, they will (I assume it’s common because they can’t respond). If people cared about this in the gaming press, we wouldn’t see stuff like Kotaku picking fights with artists from Japan (Dragon’s Crown). There’s no respect for the art or even the consumers, you know?

  152. Snorlaxation
    August 7, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    Anita Sarkeesian is a woman who I think, must’ve, at some point, wanted to discuss and open up about all the lack of female representation in games and people’s lack of care towards the topic, but she almost immediately went off the deep end and started calling so many things ‘sexist’ or ‘racist’ that her voice and claims lost almost all credibility.
    Left Right Independent, whatever. They all need to look at the FACTS, the reason for those Facts, and yes, like you said, take into consideration the country that things like these games come from.

    You’re right that measuring all countries to the U.S. standard will result in Very skewed resutls, because unlike most countries, america is a melting pot of just about everything that exists outside its borders, for better and for worse. But at the same time, people need to realize that some things, like homosexuality, exist everywhere, and they willfully choose to misrepresent or not represent at all, that kind of demographic in an honest or non-prejudiced way. That’s more than likely also due to their very old-world view on lots of topics, which are slowly but surely falling apart with their rising youth groups that don’t care for them.

  153. Dliberty
    August 8, 2017 at 1:25 am

    Lol, as if anyone outside of that butthole of an island cares about your history. Btw calling me a racist isn’t actually insulting because you reduced every non black person to white already so it seems impossible to be racist without disparaging blacks. That said, I hope you enjoy pretending to be white because you will never actually be white, that’s reserved for the true masters of Europe, your overlords, the Germans, forever bailing out you lazy, tax dodging Italians.

  154. DeeeFoo
    August 8, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    So as someone who knows almost nothing about the game, I actually prefer the new cover. The image they replaced it with is much more colorful and vibrant.

  155. Francesco Azzena
    Francesco Azzena
    August 8, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    Are you mentally ill? I pity you.. You must be really bored and alone..