We’ve learned that Atlus is handing the English localization for Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, not Nintendo’s own Treehouse group.
“Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE was localized by Atlus in a way that is consistent with the localization work they do on games they publish,” a Nintendo representative said to Game Informer.
“It was a priority to ensure the game feels familiar and appeals to longtime Atlus fans. Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes its products.”
Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE is launching for Wii U on June 24th in North America and Europe.
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 8:27 pmStill censored don’t care.
Sylveria Shini
April 21, 2016 at 8:27 pmId love to say this was comforting, but we’ve already seen how the original japanese game was changed during development to fall in line with Nintendo’s backwards expectations.
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 8:28 pmSo I take it they’re quite aware of the negative rep that Treehouse has lately?
Heavily Augmented
April 21, 2016 at 8:28 pm“Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes its products.”
So it’ll still be censored in one way or another, right?
MGNoxa
April 21, 2016 at 8:29 pmWoah I’m in this.
MGNoxa
April 21, 2016 at 8:31 pmYep. I haven’t researched all of Atlus’ localisations but I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t of censored this game because it isn’t that “bad” so clearly Nintendo has their finger deep in this localisation pie. Grubby censorship germs ruining my games.
CrusaderEsper
April 21, 2016 at 8:31 pmSo in what country is cleavage and bikinis illegal?
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 8:32 pmIf it’s actually a legal requirement I’d give them a pass, but that’s almost never the case, they’re just concerned someone will be offended. Nearly everything that we’ve been complaining about being censored lately has been tamer than content present in other games, none of it would have been illegal to my knowledge.
Valwin Mediaz
April 21, 2016 at 8:32 pmFunny that the close the comments in getmatsu
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 8:33 pmExactly, just beat my comment by a few seconds lol.
Valwin Mediaz
April 21, 2016 at 8:33 pmthere no legal anything for removing this
Pico
April 21, 2016 at 8:33 pmThey removed bikinis?
Siveon
April 21, 2016 at 8:33 pmWell, at the very least the dialogue won’t be treehouse garbage. Feel bad that Atlus has to work with such constraints.
I’m guessing now we won’t have another collab for a while.
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 8:34 pmThat’s why I dropped them, that site turned to shit.
Siveon
April 21, 2016 at 8:34 pmESRB rating is all I can think of, but they’ve been lenient as of late.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 8:35 pmThey wanted that E for 4 to 10 year olds man, please understand.
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 8:35 pmAnd even they won’t make something illegal. They’ve got different ratings like M and AO for a reason.
Valwin Mediaz
April 21, 2016 at 8:35 pmXseed says otherwise i seen tits in Teen rating
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 8:36 pmYeah I assume they are.
But I must also assume they’ve never heard Gabe’s old quote about lying to the internet.
This is obviously a lie.
And people won’t fall for it or forget it.
Ever.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 8:36 pmNintendo must be paying them.
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 8:37 pmWho says Torrential Downpour was a failure?
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 8:38 pmRaise your head up high my friend! :D
Mr0303
April 21, 2016 at 8:38 pmNintendo are trying to use Atlus as a shield, but they are the ones censoring the game in the first place. Atlus is just publishing it in the West.
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 8:39 pmIf that’s the case I feel sorry for Atlus.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 8:39 pmNice, that one’s going to me FE IF censorship file.
Here’s the other censorship case.
Neojames82
April 21, 2016 at 8:40 pmIsn’t Atlus still pretty bad with their localization though? I don’t think this is really much of an improvement and also that NoA still probably have the final say of what goes into the game and what doesn’t.
Whatever, I became less and less excited about this game as more was reveled about it so it isn’t really a loss either way for me.
MGNoxa
April 21, 2016 at 8:40 pmThis is my assumption, I agree with Mr0303
Siveon
April 21, 2016 at 8:42 pmIn general or for this game? Their track record is pretty decent but this game still reeks of Ninty involvement.
Eldhin Hellknight
April 21, 2016 at 8:42 pmSo Nintendo asked them to censor the game……
MGNoxa
April 21, 2016 at 8:42 pmI knew investing all those points into Censorship Detection would pay off in the end!
KissDisqus
April 21, 2016 at 8:42 pmCensorship sucks and all but that isn’t really the game’s biggest fault or blunder.
If only they had this in their minds during development.
“It was a priority to ensure the game feels familiar and appeals to longtime SMT/FE fans”
Neojames82
April 21, 2016 at 8:46 pmI heard that one of the people at Atlus USA was kinda an ass but maybe he wasn’t involved with the localization. And yeah, I fear that Ninty is going to run things with this game.
Neojames82
April 21, 2016 at 8:47 pmDude, I am so fucking with you on this picture. You hit it on the head….
Darji
April 21, 2016 at 8:50 pmSo given Nintendo is regulating everything I bet there wont be any hot spring events. Nintendo is going Nintendo. Don’t Buy this censored crap if you care,
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 8:50 pmThis explains why Xseed wouldn’t work with Nintendo.
Tom wouldn’t accept Nintendo’s demands for rampant censorship everywhere.
Minuteworld92
April 21, 2016 at 8:50 pmFUCKING NICE!
let nintendo of america burn… this kinda shit’s just uneeded. I mean all censorship is uneeded but this is just fucking ridiculous…
Neojames82
April 21, 2016 at 8:50 pmWasn’t the game pretty poorly reviewed and sold like shit over there?
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 8:52 pmIf only everyone in the industry had an attitude similar to Tom’s censorship would be a non-issue.
Darji
April 21, 2016 at 8:52 pmYeah and now imagine Nintendo removing everything this user base surrounding idol culture in the west would find interesting.
This game will flop harder than the Virtual Boy.
Neojames82
April 21, 2016 at 8:52 pmI know I will not support it. If Nintendo doesn’t want to have any sort of sexual or gory stuff in their games, why the fuck would you brother to collaborate with Atlus, which has more mature themes with their games? This was just such a fucking waste of a game.
KissDisqus
April 21, 2016 at 8:53 pmTo their credit they didn’t delete any comments at least.
Darji
April 21, 2016 at 8:55 pmThey said in their statement That Atlus has nothing to do with the changes but Nintendo themselves. They do not want another Treehouse situation and Atlus get shit piled on for censoring the game.
I feel really bad for Atlus…
Narmy
April 21, 2016 at 8:55 pm“Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements
and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes
its products.”
Bull.Shit.
Darji
April 21, 2016 at 8:56 pmRegulations Nintendo wants them to do. They do not want people to blame Atlus for the censorship.
Narmy
April 21, 2016 at 8:58 pmI am familiar with reverse-censorship from Atlus though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r2fcSo2uNM
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 8:58 pmIt’d make things a lot easier for them then if they didn’t censor things.
Darji
April 21, 2016 at 9:01 pmback than The west far far more liberal with video games because it was stigmatised anyway.
Minuteworld92
April 21, 2016 at 9:04 pmgod I just wish more translation teams would retranslate japanese games shitty american branches fuck up, learning japanese is hard, I should know cause I am learning it to circumvent shitty localizations by learning and believe me, that language is hard to grasp if you barely finished high school.
chizwoz
April 21, 2016 at 9:05 pmAre Atlas the ones with the CEO who’s awesome on this subject and says you shouldn’t change too much?
MLG Barroth
April 21, 2016 at 9:05 pmIm reconsidering getting this game because the translation job Nintendo does makes me want to digest cynadine. Eh i guess its showing the worst possible then something not as bad cushions the blow.
Darji
April 21, 2016 at 9:06 pmNo that is Xseed. Atlus does what they are told to do.
TheManWithPants
April 21, 2016 at 9:09 pmFucking hell. Every game news site I’ve gone to seems to submit to SJW fuckery one way or another. Niche Gamer is my last stand.
MLG Barroth
April 21, 2016 at 9:09 pmSo if nintendo isnt handling the translation then that means we can just download a fan patch for translation!
Minuteworld92
April 21, 2016 at 9:10 pmassuming if someone makes it.
Darji
April 21, 2016 at 9:11 pmCan you already emulate a Wii U?
Minuteworld92
April 21, 2016 at 9:12 pmcemu. closed source but it’s making tremendous progress.
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 9:12 pmOn the plus side, a lot less bullshit to sift through every day.
perfectchaos83
April 21, 2016 at 9:13 pmSeeing as Nintendo is still publishing the title and there is already confirmed censorship, This statement from Nintendo is bullshit. Especially since Atlus’ version of Dungeon Travelers 2 is still trife with lewd CG despite still being censored.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 9:14 pmWhat we got is fitting with what FE has become tho.
They could have still thrown in some of it there instead of going all out at it.
Uncle Slick
April 21, 2016 at 9:14 pmMy biggest problem with censorship is, why does it always happen to Japanese games? I never see cleavage get covered up in Western games or anything else.
That’s what irks me the most.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 9:15 pmThere are some hacks for the actual WiiU though, not sure how far they’ve gotten by now, but people have already succeeded at modifying some elements of the games.
Even if we don’t get emulation soon, we might get cracked WiiU’s that we can use to play patched games.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 9:16 pmSubtle racism.
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 9:18 pmI hate to suggest that without more evidence, but I can’t help but think of that too, at least some degree at least.
TheManWithPants
April 21, 2016 at 9:18 pmTits and butts are only okay when Murrika does it.
snintendog
April 21, 2016 at 9:23 pmLoad Line can load backups off HDD right now but its very limited. CEMU is looking to be the best immediate choice though we got some really talented people hacking away at the Wii u some of the same that have been at the 3ds scene expecting some wii grade hacking in the future for both of these consoles.
TheManWithPants
April 21, 2016 at 9:25 pmOn the down side, artistic integrity, freedom of speech and of expression dies a little more each day because people are too scared of a culture they don’t understand.
Jack
April 21, 2016 at 9:26 pmOh boy a game no one is going to by because it is shit
TheManWithPants
April 21, 2016 at 9:27 pmAt the very least, it might’ve gotten some sales if they allowed it to have tits in it. :v
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 9:28 pmYeah it sucks, but that kind of thinking has been going on for a long time, and for no good reason.
Remember Brock’s ‘jelly donuts’ from Pokemon?
TheManWithPants
April 21, 2016 at 9:29 pmYup… Ah, the good ol’ terrible days of 4Kids dubbed anime. Glad they’re gone now, though.
Minuteworld92
April 21, 2016 at 9:30 pmI’m a gay faggot that loves kawaii desu shit persona esque jrpgs, I was gonna get it used but now I’ll just wait for cemu, wait for someone on nicoblog to post the game and be glad that I will never support nintendo of america again.
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 9:32 pmYou know as I keep thinking about it more and more, it really is just starting to look like racism and white washing.
TheMaverickGamer
April 21, 2016 at 9:33 pmI’ve been excited for this game since the first trailer, but since the censorship came about, I’ve added it to my “Buy Pre-owned” list along with Star Ocean: Integrity and Faithlessness, Overwatch, and everything Nintendo of America publishes.
Please, ATLUS, you’re a better company than this and I want to support your excellent work, but don’t ever associate yourself with a scum bucket, ass backwards company like Nintendo ever again.
TheManWithPants
April 21, 2016 at 9:35 pmIt pretty much is. A lot of the world’s conflicts today pretty much stem from people just being unable to accept that other people are different, and they shouldn’t shove their ideals down everyone else’s throats.
TheCynicalReaper
April 21, 2016 at 9:35 pmJust because it’s Nintendo primarily, doesn’t mean it’s not also on Atlus
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 9:36 pmHow could our children comprehend that some people eat food that’s different from ours?! How will I explain to little Timmy what an onigiri is??
Siveon
April 21, 2016 at 9:40 pmWell, and a healthy dose of cultural bias.
EDIT: Not that I think Japan can do no wrong. They do the same to us (and themselves), except I don’t believe they censor gore in video games (they do it often in manga tho).
Chocolate ISISCream
April 21, 2016 at 9:40 pm“It was a priority to ensure the game feels familiar and appeals to longtime Atlus fans.”
Good fucking job! You’re doing great with that whole “appealing to longtime Atlus fans” thing, really.
“Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes its products.”
Nah, bullshit. Fucking bullshit. That’s just your stakeholders literally being on the furthest side of the autism spectrum.
Looks like I’m saving $93 dollars, fuck yourselves.
Dewey Defeats Truman
April 21, 2016 at 9:42 pmEven if someone like XSEED was localizing this it’d still look like utter trash that I could never be convinced was worth my money.
Bianca Ann Saracino
April 21, 2016 at 9:46 pmBADLY waiting for the day I can patch back in the Lyn outfits and slider for XCX and the outfits for Fatal Frame 5. I know it’ll happen one day but feels like an eternity of a wait T_T
Minuteworld92
April 21, 2016 at 9:46 pm93 dollars?
LinKurosawa
April 21, 2016 at 9:47 pm” Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying
requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo
distributes its products.”
So its censored then.
dsadsada
April 21, 2016 at 9:51 pmExcept the Virtual Boy had a chance when it was announced before people found out about the health problems.
But when people found out that by SMT x FE, they really meant Person 4 x FE Awakening and that it was a Wii U exclusive, it was already doomed. With everything else on top of that including censoring idol culture to an already super niche audience on a super niche platform, it’s dead on arrival.
dsadsada
April 21, 2016 at 9:54 pmI recall hearing that they do, censoring gore in video games I mean. I forgot which titles though. I think The Last of Us was one of them?
dsadsada
April 21, 2016 at 9:58 pmI hate the fact that we live in a world where we can idolize Tom’s views on localization. That should have been the norm, not the exception goddamit.
Master Bating
April 21, 2016 at 10:00 pm“Atlus is handling FExSMT”
Game is still borked, this isnt Fire Emblem and to top it all off its censored.
Audie Bakerson
April 21, 2016 at 10:12 pmYeah, I’d beleive this a lot more if we didn’t already have censorship confirmed.
Chocolate ISISCream
April 21, 2016 at 10:14 pmI meant $85, not 93. Not sure why I typed that, but anyway those are Canadian prices. Being a Cucknadian is suffering.
Zombie_Barioth
April 21, 2016 at 10:15 pm“Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying, mostly self-imposed requirements
and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes
its products, as dictated by Nintendo.”
Is what they probably should have said. Nintendo’s IP is attached, there isn’t a way in hell they aren’t making demands, or rather “suggestions” as to how the game is handled.
Anybody familiar with Atlus would know they don’t abide by any such “requirements and regulations”.
Minuteworld92
April 21, 2016 at 10:21 pmI feel your pain
MusouTensei
April 21, 2016 at 10:24 pmGood to know, so I don’t need to be afraid of Memehouse bullshit when I play a used copy I bought off ebay.
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 10:32 pmNo it wasn’t back in the 80’s -90’s we had to deal with the religious right and Nintendo being fucking prudes. They were allowed to get away with it because they wasn’t any competition to severely hurt their bottom line. Mortal Kombat came under huge controversy back then and was censored on almost all platforms. Pokemon was considered Satanic, and many religious or adult themes were censored out of games.
Then we had politicians like Joe Liberman and Hillary Clinton trying to restrict access to certain games. Then there’s everybody’s favorite asshole Jack Thompson.
The only difference now is that the regressive left is trying to control video games and Anita Sarkeesian has taken over for Thompson. And while we fought off the right this time we are caving into the left. Why? Because in the world’s eyes she’s a cute harmless lil angel that can do no wrong and those bad meanies are hurting her.
You know what they say, those who don’t learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 10:34 pmPlease punish NOA sadie-chan they need to be disciplined lol.
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 10:38 pmOh lol, I’d almost forgotten the moral panic over the Pokemon craze, of all things. I mean really, they were really pushing it there. I could maybe understand parents being concerned about their young kids playing Mortal Kombat, but Pokemon?
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 10:39 pmMore like double standards and cultural dissonance with a hint of cultural superiority. They think their own shit doesn’t stink so they “correct” anything outside their own.
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 10:41 pmMortal Kombat X is banned, Dante’s Inferno is heavily censored, The Witcher, GTA, etc are all censored in Japan. Ironically Japan used to be the bastion of free expression prior to 2006 when CERO was revised.
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 10:42 pmThe What I expected section is all stupid shit 15 year old edgelords and no life elitist wannabes like.
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 10:44 pmWhite People Problems
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 10:49 pmI wouldn’t say that much when it’s the only country that outright mosaics their porn.
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 10:51 pmIgnoring the quality of the game aside (yeah, yeah it wasn’t the SMTxFE you wished it was. Get over it.), at least there’s a silver lining that we won’t be subjected with an agenda driven localization company. But then we come to the realization that the whole thing is under supervision of an agenda driven game company and I just get sad and upset. ;_;
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 10:58 pmI just meant games but you’ve got a point. :p
VanFinale
April 21, 2016 at 11:01 pmSo it’s still going to be censored though and has Atlus censored anything prior to this? If not I think we can confirm Nintendo is the one behind all the censorship bullshit lately not 8-4 (though their still antagonizing shits) or whatever that bullshit company that censored bravely default is. Though the actually quality of the “writing” is down to the localizers. So the writing may still be up to Atlus’ standards but still censored so no buy.
Sapph
April 21, 2016 at 11:03 pmIt’s because of the concept of these creatures having supernatural powers, and it doesn’t help that the legendaries pretty much became God(s) around Gen 3.
blackice85
April 21, 2016 at 11:05 pmPlus the evolution boogie-man, it’s a dirty word among some groups.
KissDisqus
April 21, 2016 at 11:07 pmbut berserk hasn’t been edgy for a while and there’s no elitism in tabletop since everyone is desperate for new players…
Rumble Red
April 21, 2016 at 11:09 pmBravely got it just as bad as Nintendo’s first-party stuff. Any localization is still worth being cautious about if Nintendo’s even peripherally involved.
I mean, I’m hoping that Atlus will do better, even if I’m not that interested in what this game ended up being. I’m just not optimistic.
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 11:09 pmJust adding in some cheekiness to counter the vitriol the aforementioned groups have with the What I got section.
Siveon
April 21, 2016 at 11:09 pmDude, I don’t know who you are, but castles and cool looking gargoyles are just plain dope to most people.
TheManWithPants
April 21, 2016 at 11:11 pmAnd this is why we’re all pretty much fucked in the upcoming 2016 election.
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 11:12 pmI know. But honestly cute girls and cute music are bigger dopes for me.
Siveon
April 21, 2016 at 11:14 pmYou could do better. Thems some shit tier waifus
JReezy
April 21, 2016 at 11:22 pmNintendo Country apparently. Fuck that company and its stubborn adherence to some image of innocence, regardless of the game in question. Can’t let the kiddies know that women have boobs.
djluke_1993
April 21, 2016 at 11:24 pmAustralia.
Sapph
April 21, 2016 at 11:26 pmPrior to 2011, yes. However, since then, it seems like they’ve gotten away from the practice. The only exception is Dungeon Travelers 2, but that is because the ESRB was threatening an AO rating.
KissDisqus
April 21, 2016 at 11:26 pmI don’t mind all that content at the bottom of the page. It’s just easier to use semi-known properties to compare with Mirage Session. Tokyo Mirage is far more cringe inducing from the trailers and gameplay vids I watched.
JReezy
April 21, 2016 at 11:28 pmDefinitely. Is this Mirage Sessions game rated T? Let me assume it is for a second and use a wholly Atlus game as a comparison, Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker. T rated, had no problem showing a scene with women in bikinis. One of them was topless. And Nintendo expects me to believe that Atlus was involved in this nonsense after stuff like that? Nah. They’re not anal about censorship like Nintendo is.
Sapph
April 21, 2016 at 11:28 pmOh, this is soooo relevant right to the last bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gdKEjZIpHQ
VanFinale
April 21, 2016 at 11:29 pmWas ESRB really threatening an AO rating or was this like the stuff with SF5, SO5 and NiSA.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 11:32 pmMeanwhile they published bayoneta 2.
lol nintendo
VanFinale
April 21, 2016 at 11:32 pmNintendo was still behind the localization they published the game in the west. They just hired the company that did it. It’s an identical situation with Xenoblade and 8-4.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 11:33 pmSo, racism.
JReezy
April 21, 2016 at 11:36 pmYeah that makes it even crazier. I don’t know if that game saw any support from Nintendo besides that though. Or, they didn’t need to worry about marketing it to the kiddies so it was safe. Long live that M rating I guess. Everything else gets that critical Nintendo eye.
scemar
April 21, 2016 at 11:36 pmFunny how gamers sent actual death threats, tried to break into Jack Thompson’s house, pranked him constantly, nearly drove him insane (he was already insane) and did god knows who else to the man.
And the media was like lmao gamerz trolling evil jack thompson so funny hahaha.
Now a tweet saying “ur wrong” to any of the pro censorship videogame critics is “harassment” and the media is oh so concerned about the evil gamers.
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 11:36 pmI didn’t even specify my waifus, sir. My point was cute > edgy.
Guin
April 21, 2016 at 11:40 pmI’ve seen it and in my opinion it’s a nice alternative break from two traditionally gloomy series. It helps that I didn’t totally invest on the hype that generated during the initial announcement so I can stomach the bait and switch that is Tokyo Mirage better than the embittered fanbois.
Daniel Rossevelt
April 21, 2016 at 11:43 pm“Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes its products.”
It sounds like while Atlus is localizing it, Nintendo still tells them what to allow in, and what not. So at the end of the day Nintendo’s rules will still censor it, wouldn’t surprise me if this is also why Bravely Defualt is the way it is…
Sapph
April 21, 2016 at 11:44 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPdLnc2IQE
And, Star Ocean 5 was due to CERO (It wasn’t a [email protected]$$ed defense).
Shigeru031
April 21, 2016 at 11:46 pmBut closely watched by Nintendo, isn’t it?
They just directed all the hate to themselves then. It’ll still be censored so…
TsukuyomiMagi99
April 21, 2016 at 11:52 pmOr how the original DOAX received universal praise and was a selling point to buy an Xbox. Times have changed indeed.
landlock
April 21, 2016 at 11:53 pmThe Evil Within’, Resident Evil 4/5 were censored. There are loads of games censored in Japan for violence.
landlock
April 21, 2016 at 11:55 pmYeah because talking about it on a relatively unknown gaming site like NG makes all the difference.
KissDisqus
April 22, 2016 at 12:05 amBreaking from the mold might be a good thing sometimes but I think a lot of people can agree this wasn’t want one of those times. Probably wasn’t the best idea to make it completely unrecognizable from both properties. Too much change brah for fans. If they made this an original game with no affiliation to SMT or FE I bet it would have sold better
Sapph
April 22, 2016 at 12:05 amNo, but talking to other people on sites such as these, gaining and discussing ideas, and then implementing them in the real world and talking to real people about them, that does make a difference.
2D-Kun
April 22, 2016 at 12:18 amMore like Tokyo Censored Sessions
sdmblack
April 22, 2016 at 12:43 amSo, the one guy likes the gameplay of Fallout 4 without being able to read the terrible story, and the other guy really liked playing Minecraft with his nephews?
I don’t see a problem with those, 2015 was a weird year for games. Not a lot really stood out.
sdmblack
April 22, 2016 at 12:44 amPretty damn good music, yo.
TheManWithPants
April 22, 2016 at 12:50 amNever said it did. It’s just mere discussion.
Stephen
April 22, 2016 at 12:52 amThey claim it was because the ESRB said they’d get an AO if some of the images were left intact. Since the ESRB is generally really lenient and only gives out AOs in the strictest scenarios, who knows if this is true.
That said, Atlus was very open about the changes even before release since they knew people would be mad, so I doubt they’d lie about it. But then we have games like Gahkthun getting rated M despite containing softcore pornography, so the ESRB basically makes no sense.
Centurybomber
April 22, 2016 at 12:54 amSo? What’s the problem?
Centurybomber
April 22, 2016 at 12:58 amIt’s specially Nintendo of America tho.
Stephen
April 22, 2016 at 1:05 amEven if the ESRB requested it, that’s not legal. AO games are completely legal, the only thing that would possibly be illegal to publish in the US is a loli eroge. AO games just won’t get stocked by retailers or be allowed on most digital stores. It’s a sales death sentence but there is nothing about it that actually deals with the law. The ESRB is just a rating system that retailers use, but they can’t actually ban anything.
blackice85
April 22, 2016 at 1:23 amYeah considering how much they didn’t censor, I’m inclined to believe them (Atlus that is, not necessarily the ESRB). And an AO rating would doom any chances of actually selling the game, so I understand in that case.
blackice85
April 22, 2016 at 1:26 amThat’s why I despise it so. It effectively has the force of law as far as most of us are concerned, but the public doesn’t have any control over it. And then parents don’t heed the ratings and bitch about what awful thing their kids are playing, so what the hell is the point of it then?
H.S
April 22, 2016 at 1:27 amAre you referring to some specific event?
Guin
April 22, 2016 at 1:57 amI suppose, but the damage has been done so to speak. It’s up to IS and Atlus now if they are willing to stick to their guns and continue with this spinoff or listen to their fans. As for me, I’m just gonna roll with what they come up with in this reimagining rather than wallowing in my own salt.
Zombie_Barioth
April 22, 2016 at 2:06 amThere aren’t even any actual “requirements and regulations” to follow to begin with. Following the ratings boards’ recommendations is entirely optional, and video games as a whole very rarely find themselves conflicting with actual laws due to their content.
Unfortunately Nintendo is kinda known for blowing smoke and twisting things like this.
grgspunk
April 22, 2016 at 2:06 amThat’s why I’ve advocated for fucking up the SJWs in the same way as we did to Jack Thompson. Twitter’s made us way too soft–They wouldn’t know about “harassment” if it hit them in the fucking face.
Yggdr5
April 22, 2016 at 2:07 amAccording to a credible 4chan rumor (user knew the english name of the game before its announcement) panties will be changed into spats and the hot springs DLC won’t be localized at all.
http://personacentral.com/potential-tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-localization-content-changes/
grgspunk
April 22, 2016 at 2:12 amGentlemen, unlike most of the bullshit excuses we’ve heard from localization companies censoring their games, THIS is a legitimate example of a localization company being forced to censor a game by no choice of their own.
There’s no way Atlus would’ve been willing to engage in such petty and prudish edits if Nintendo weren’t pulling the strings in the first place.
That being said, there’s no way in hell I’d support the release of this game. I’m not wasting money on edited crap.
JReezy
April 22, 2016 at 2:26 amYeah. It just comes off as another example of treating their audience like idiots. In addition to treating them like children. There’s nothing in Mirage Sessions that would warrant censorship out here in America because of some BS about regulations. They did it because they wanted to, not a need to. But they’ll play it off like that anyway because apparently Nintendo fans are dumb enough to not know how the rating system works and won’t look into it.
JReezy
April 22, 2016 at 2:40 amLol silly Utah
sanic
April 22, 2016 at 3:01 am“Diarama! That Persona for I love you”
JoeSislack
April 22, 2016 at 3:45 amDo not pre order.
Do not blindly buy day one.
Wait until further information and confirmation if there are any further changes or censorship.
Minuteworld92
April 22, 2016 at 3:46 amfuck it.
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 5:04 ami have never owned a Nintendo console. the only time i ever thought about buying a nintendo WiiU was because of Bayonetta and Xenoblade…and i heard those got censored as well lol
Sylveria Shini
April 22, 2016 at 5:19 amThat to.
Uncle Ocelot
April 22, 2016 at 5:42 amI don’t recall Bayonetta 2 being censored.
Uncle Ocelot
April 22, 2016 at 5:44 amSounds like Nintendo are still watching over them.
Joey
April 22, 2016 at 6:16 amI’d be interested in this too.
Kiryu
April 22, 2016 at 6:24 amThat was my reaction aswell.Why make an article when they prevent gamers to speak their opinion?
MusouTensei
April 22, 2016 at 6:40 amThen why did they say at 1st that they were afraid of western criticism? I call bs on that, I’ve seen C rated games with “worse” ecchi stuff than some panties under a skirt.
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 7:13 amoh my mistake. thanks uncle ocelot
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 7:18 ami wonder how many people are still buying SO5 after the shit storm. I’m going to buy it pre-owned
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 7:19 ami think it was Metal Gear Rising…
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 7:22 ami feel your pain….im a huge Tri-ace fan…
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 7:23 ami remember reading that Hillary tried to get Manhunt re-rated for AO rating.
Galbador
April 22, 2016 at 7:29 amYet another game I won’t buy. Go on, Nintendo. Do whatever you need to do to alienate me from you, because this makes it easier to consider whether or not I’ll buy a NX console. Guess the answer is NO!
alterku
April 22, 2016 at 7:42 amFallout 4 is bad because of the writing and arguably the pointless settlement manager simulation, also not an RPG really; it’s not a Fallout game anymore. Minecraft is bad because it’s an autist’s toolbox with no substance/goal, but it makes sense for a director/developer to be presented with an empty void of a game and the tools to make something within it and see the potential there.
alterku
April 22, 2016 at 7:46 amWhat’s edgy about gargoyles and castles?
alterku
April 22, 2016 at 7:50 amIt’s already too much for me, but I was never a big enough SMT or FE fan to begin with. Also I have seen exactly one musical number from that game and it alone made me nope the fuck out due to cringe.
JReezy
April 22, 2016 at 7:50 amNot sure what their enjoyment of other video games has to do with poor localization.
Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
April 22, 2016 at 7:51 am“Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes its products.”
It’s official I really really hate Nintendo. Let’s have faith that SMTIV:A gets sparred from their corporate stupidity.
JReezy
April 22, 2016 at 7:54 amMaybe it’s because I was a child and didn’t have all the behind the scene info at my fingertip but owning a Nintendo console was cool back in the day. I enjoyed my N64 and Gamecube. But this Wii and Wii U era turned me off of the company. At least their home consoles. They don’t makes stuff targeted towards people like me. While I’ve grown older Nintendo is still under the impression that its fanbase is full of children who know no better.
JReezy
April 22, 2016 at 7:57 amIt should be fine. Wholly Atlus games should be immune to the “won’t somebody please think of the children!?” virus that’s run amok at Nintendo. I have confidence that the games other territories get adhere as close to Atlus’ vision as much as possible. SMT IV probably wasn’t censored in any way. They had no need for it. They know who their audience is with that franchise
JReezy
April 22, 2016 at 7:59 amLol Treehouse. I can’t stand them.
iamDTS
April 22, 2016 at 7:59 amHow would you know if a Western title has been censored since we get them first? Devs could censor games and not tell us they changed something.
Darji
April 22, 2016 at 8:15 amI am on a different side with Star Ocean since this was globally changed and not only in one region. That is the developers decision.
With this however the original vision was altered because of “localisation” and is different from the original one. Personally I find this change stupid but it will not influence my decision to buy it.
Sapph
April 22, 2016 at 9:05 amThey were just advised about it from some other college in the company, it wasn’t something they were afraid of. What a lot of people saw a mistranslation that left a lot out, and it wasn’t the first thing they said about the change of the panties.
Also, according to numerous other people, CERO has become worse in recent years when it comes to their stinginess of the age ratings.
Izzy Lichi
April 22, 2016 at 9:14 amfallout 4 is bad period. just like every overhyped Western RPG
chaoguy
April 22, 2016 at 9:20 amCase in point:
heroyaldog
April 22, 2016 at 9:53 amIf Nintendo came out and stated this game no longer had any censorship NGers would find a way to shit on it.
You guys are incapable of accepting good news.
Guin
April 22, 2016 at 10:02 amGargoyles are edgy as hell and depends on the castle, but ones that are gothic architecture are prime edgelord choices.
MusouTensei
April 22, 2016 at 10:23 amYet Megadimension Neptunia VII has a C rating in japan, so I will still call bs on that a panty under a skirt of an 18 year old, that you only see with certain perspectives, would up it to D.
But even if I would give them the benefit of a doubt, then do it like Ni-Oh or german censorship and only censor it for the regions where it is “necessary”.
draconian139
April 22, 2016 at 10:53 amThe only way that’s a legal requirement is if they’re looking at their Saudi Arabian market.
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 11:07 amhonestly i am guilty of thinking that Nintendo is for kids..but when bayonetta was announced as a Nintendo exclusive i was shocked for days lol
Nagato
April 22, 2016 at 11:07 am“Atlus is just publishing it in the West.”
I call bs on that with is also releasing in Europe.
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 11:09 ambut it was changed because of WESTERN criticism, which imo is a lot worse then censorship.
Darji
April 22, 2016 at 11:23 amNo it was changed because of cultural differences. No one criticized this. I agree that it is sad that Japanese developer are getting more and more scared of this bullshit.
But they altered it for every version and not only the western one. That makes it passable in my opinion. Its not a good thing but it is not as bad as censorship imo.
SiliconNooB
April 22, 2016 at 11:45 amI’d love to know whether this is just Nintendo telling lies in order to prevent criticism when the game launches. Everything I’ve seen seems to indicate that this is a Treehouse production…
Bananalint
April 22, 2016 at 11:52 amIf this is true than maybe I should be weary of SMT 4: Apocalypse…
Joey
April 22, 2016 at 11:56 amNintendo have nothing to do with that game. We should be fine.
Bananalint
April 22, 2016 at 11:59 amTrue but if Atlus is handling the localizatino for this game, than they are the ones censoring it. I want to believe that Apocalypse will be safe but I’m not so sure.
Infasis
April 22, 2016 at 12:21 pmWhere’s Ar nosurge?
Ayame Kajou
April 22, 2016 at 1:42 pm“Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes its products.”
That sounds like censorship confirmation :(
My Japanese is getting to the point where I could probably start importing these games… but I’m pretty sure this is the last wii U exclusive game I’m interested in that will be released.
I guess if NX is region locked (and if it is Nintendo really don’t listen to their fans) I’ll probably get a Japanese one though.
Uncle Slick
April 22, 2016 at 2:11 pmNo.
stalemate666
April 22, 2016 at 2:54 pmIf they are going for an E rating I get it, if this gets rated T then I’ll be annoyed.
MusouTensei
April 22, 2016 at 4:08 pmThe censorship is still there, if it would be localized by Atlus and had no censorship at all I would have no complaints, it would jump back to be one of my most anticipated games of 2016.
萌えゲー
April 22, 2016 at 7:03 pmI kind of like the direction they went with SMTxFE too. I mean, people even complained that Persona 4 was too “happy” for the series.
萌えゲー
April 22, 2016 at 7:07 pmNihon censors their own games too? Talk about equality, you’d never get that from the west~
萌えゲー
April 22, 2016 at 7:12 pmAnd so children from Merica kept becoming dumber and grew more ignorant of the world beyond their shores.
ScarredBushido
April 22, 2016 at 7:22 pmit’s not passable imo
iamDTS
April 23, 2016 at 12:20 am“I never see cleavage get covered up in Western games or anything else.”
Name a western game with 16 year old girls with cleavage…. That’s why you never see cleavage covered in western games, they don’t use teenage girls.
JoeSislack
April 23, 2016 at 1:52 amI myself dislike the game heavily but I definitely feel for those who want to enjoy it without any extra bullshit attached.
Smug
April 23, 2016 at 4:33 am“There’s no way Atlus would’ve been willing to engage in such petty and prudish edits”
Someone forgot Dungeon Travelers 2
darkgamer001
April 23, 2016 at 5:04 amIn some ways it makes it worse.
I’m sure I’m not the only one here burning the midnight oil to study Nipponese and, you know…. trying to get that kanji through this thick skull of mine.
And after all that effort, we find out that even the Japanese versions are bowing down to SJW pressure. It’s heartbreaking
Uncle Slick
April 23, 2016 at 5:08 amWhy is it OK for preteen girls to be sexualized/put in adult situations, or raped on TV/Movies, but if there was such a scene in a Japanese game it would be heresy?
And also, they censor every female, not just 16 year olds. In case you didn’t know, the age of consent in Japan is 13. Not every culture caters to America.
Nice try, though.
amc99
April 23, 2016 at 6:12 amAnything that is related with nintendo one way or another will get censored I guess
amc99
April 23, 2016 at 6:15 amI agree Atlus released a lot of other games that the characters wears skimpy outfit such as SMT/Persona/LA/ Stella glow/ conception and maaaany more.
Guin
April 23, 2016 at 8:52 am>They don’t use teenage girls
Last of Us and Life is Strange say hi.
iamDTS
April 23, 2016 at 9:25 amMy post said: “Name a western game with 16 year old girls with cleavage” I was saying they don’t use teenage girls like the Japanese do.
Thanatos2k
April 23, 2016 at 1:32 pmNot like it maters much, this game looks terrible.
Ayame Kajou
April 23, 2016 at 1:37 pmI e-mailed both Atlus and Nintendo about this. Atlus haven’t replied yet (and have been very fast to reply to me in the past) and Nintendo replied with a copied and pasted reply about Fire Emblem Fates (not TMS#FE)…
I’m tempted to just get a Japanese wii U, But I’m pretty sure this is the last game to come out on the Wii U that I actually want. If I get a NX I will more than likely get a Japanese one (If I get one at all)
Stephen
April 23, 2016 at 1:39 pmI don’t believe any SMT games have been censored since SMTII, and even that I don’t think was actually censored, but it’s been so long I’d have to check.
Atlus is usually pretty fine with this stuff, especially considering they chiefly publish niche jRPGs where the fanservice is expected and often even requested. There’s no reason to think Apocalypse will have any real changes since the past several SMT games haven’t, including the Devil Survivor 2 3DS.
Also, Nintendo confirms in this statement that any changes being made to the game were at the request of Nintendo, not Atlus’ own doing.
Stephen
April 23, 2016 at 1:43 pmAtlus claims the reason for that is to avoid an AO, so I think it’s unfair to say they were willing to do it. They also released the info online pretty damn early and let everyone known well before the game came out what they’d be doing.
With the current climate I don’t think any game is safe from stupid edits, but Atlus isn’t a company with a track record for doing this willingly.
Ayame Kajou
April 23, 2016 at 1:48 pmThe AO excuse doesn’t even work in Europe. Stores here do Stock AO games. It’s also much more common for Games to get AO ratings here because our ratings are a bit harsher. And then on top of that some countries have their own individual legal rating/censorship boards unlike ERSB and PEGI which are just independent boards. I know UK and Ireland have their own censor boards, I don’t know abut the other countries.
Ayame Kajou
April 23, 2016 at 1:55 pmIn Europe the copy of Bayonetta 1 that came with Bayonetta 2 actually has an 18+ rating (Essentially our AO rating). Bayonetta 2 has a 16+ (Essentially our mature rating), but because they were bundled together the package was 18+
I should also add that Project Zero Maiden of Black is also 18+ here despite the censorship.
Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
April 23, 2016 at 2:22 pmYeah, I guess your right. I was reading Atlus USA’s blog about how they will localize SMTIV:A and everything seems to be in good hands. Treehouse and NoA has nothing to do with the localization or publishing of the game. They already promised that they would handle the game with the same amount of care as all other SMT games. What a relief!
Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
April 23, 2016 at 2:26 pmI don’t get it. What’s wrong with them enjoying those games?
Smug
April 23, 2016 at 2:31 pm“Atlus claims the reason for that is to avoid an AO, so I think it’s unfair to say they were willing to do it.”
And you know this is just a bunch of crap
“but Atlus isn’t a company with a track record for doing this willingly.”
And what’s stopping Atlus to do it now?
ScarredBushido
April 23, 2016 at 10:09 pmi’m lucky that japanese games isn’t the only reason why i am studying japanese lol
CRES
April 23, 2016 at 11:13 pmWhat e-mail address did you contact Nintendo through?
I’ve already contacted Atlus and they told me “Talk to Nintendo.”
CRES
April 23, 2016 at 11:16 pmWhen I contacted Atlus regarding the censorship, they told be to talk to Nintendo about it. I’m pretty sure Atlus isn’t the ones behind the censorship. In fact, it’s clear from the press release that it’s all Nintendo’s work: “Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements
and regulations in the many different territories NINTENDO distributes
its products.”
Generi-Kun-Senpai-Nenmãe
April 24, 2016 at 7:20 amthere they go. they just killed any chance of this game being succesful. This was already a Niche title now they gone and alienated those who would buy this.
GamesGoodMeGood
April 24, 2016 at 11:10 am“Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying
requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo
distributes its products.”
“We fully endorse and adhere to Anita Sarkeesian’s wishes”
Ayame Kajou
April 24, 2016 at 11:59 amI was talking to Nintendo UK support. Details on thsi page:
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Support/Contact/Contact-621598.html
Though from past experience dealing with them I think regardless of which division of Nintendo you contact for support you may get agents from Germany, UK, or America reply to you.
CRES
April 24, 2016 at 1:08 pmThanks. Nintendo of America is notoriously hard to get in contact with ever since the New 3DS fiasco.
No_Good_Names_Ever
April 24, 2016 at 1:47 pmNew guy looks like a breakfast guy otaku while the old guy looks like he enjoys only coffee with other Japanese goths.
grgspunk
April 24, 2016 at 11:22 pmI didn’t say they were perfect.
alterku
April 25, 2016 at 12:52 pmYou didn’t actually answer the question friend.
alterku
April 25, 2016 at 12:56 pmI heard the shooting was alright, not like I’ll bother playing the turd to know though.
Guin
April 25, 2016 at 1:59 pmHm, I thought I did. Don’t know how else I’d clarify my answer beyond saying that the entire image of Gargolyes and Gothic Castles coincide with the “Edgy” stereotype of dark, brooding and depressing. Like, just look at Batman artwork. He is often depicted being on top of gargoyle statues and on top of gothic like tower spires and he is one Edgy Superhero.
alterku
April 25, 2016 at 2:35 pmI believe we’ll have to disagree on this point, unless your view of Batman is only of his (nearly insignificant) brooding, vengeance-fueled side. Not everything Gothic is edgy, especially medieval architecture.
Guin
April 25, 2016 at 2:39 pmIt’s just these things that resonate among edgelords, like gold chains and pit bulls for thug wannabes. That’s basically my spiel.
Travis Touchdown
April 25, 2016 at 10:58 pmI love how people here present changes made to outfits during development as examples of censorship. You are delusional.
Reckoning
April 26, 2016 at 8:16 amI’m tired of being treated like a child by these companies. I’ll be passing on this game, same as I passed on Bravely Second, and Fire Emblem.
Chocolate ISISCream
April 26, 2016 at 1:13 pmIf only Kanji wasn’t so hard – though I am guilty of not putting in enough effort. It just seems so much more intimidating than gana/kana I guess.
Minuteworld92
April 26, 2016 at 3:29 pmit’s a really confusing language. I downloaded this educational rpg called “hirigana battle” and that does a pretty good job of getting you into japanese but you have to always have a notebook and you have to remember every single character and what they look like and sound like and it’s just hard to not take a long break from it.
but I can only imagine how hard kanji is if I’m complaining about babbys first japanese.
Chocolate ISISCream
April 26, 2016 at 3:39 pmYeah there must be a lot of resources. I used the most unconventional probably and it wasn’t too bad to learn from that.
I learned Hiragana/Katakana by watching a Gundam 00 season 2 opening that was really artsy with their lyrics (it had both romanji and japanese characters). I wrote what I saw, compared the matching romanji/japanese, and heard the lyrics to sound them out. It was tough to crack at first until I realized Japanese had a pattern (literally sequences of prefix + aeiou). It worked well for me in the end. I ended up having a huge sheet of Japanese characters that I wrote and studied, but it was empty, so I headed to an internet cafe to find out the rest (I was overseas the whole time without internet, but I had my laptop and anime).
Now, apparently there’s 2000+ Kanjis. I’ve only been able to memorize 3 of them. It all looks so fucking complex and hard to differentiate from other Kanji. What made K/Gana more simple were 3 things I found. Everything is literally a sequence of a e u i o, the designs are not too different from each other, and gana/kana is curvy/straight respectively.
Moral of my blog essentially is, don’t give up. Learn the Kana/Gana. When you start Kanji, that’s when you give up.
Smug
April 26, 2016 at 3:43 pmkanjidamage is pretty good material to learn kanji with a focus on recognizing radicals so you can memorize kanji a lot more easily
Someone also made an app for Android which is basically browsing the website offline.
Smug
April 26, 2016 at 4:05 pmMost japanese learning materials are trying to teach you kanji the way you would teach a kid english words without teaching him/her first the alphabet letters. You have to keep in mind that Kanji also have two different readings, which are Kunyomi (the sound pronounced when the kanji itself is alone) and Onyomi (pronunciation of the kanji when attached with another kanji).
For example, the kanji 比 – “compare” is pronounced HI when used as an onyomi, but is pronounced 比べる (くらベる/kura*beru) when the kanji is used alone to form the verb “to compare”. The more formal word “to compare” 比較する is pronounced ひかく*する (hi*kaku*suru) however, because you can see 比 attached to another kanji (較).
If you also learn the kanji through radicals, you will see that kanji often re-use the same strokes, such as 能 (“talent/function/capability” which use 比 – compare, 月- moon/organ, and the katakana ム all together), and which will be later used for 熊 (kanji for “bear”, with a fire radical on the bottom). It doesnt make often much sense in insight, but it’s easier to learn that way than through brute force.
Like I said to the other, kanjidamage is an excellent reference to learn kanji through radicals. I would also heavily recommend Genki and tae Kim for the grammar side if you havent done it yet.
Chocolate ISISCream
April 26, 2016 at 4:32 pmThat Kunyomi/Onyomi stuff made a lot of sense senpai.
For 較,
Would かく be its onyomi or konyomi?
To trigger onyomi rather, is mere adjacency allowed (in this case we consider 比 as adjacent), or does the character after it have to be Kanji?
So, for the former, kaku would be its onyomi I’d imagine, while the later would be konyomi since there’s hiragana after it.
alterku
April 26, 2016 at 4:44 pmFair ’nuff.
Smug
April 26, 2016 at 4:57 pm較 would be read as KAKU in its onyomi form, and its kunyomi form is exactly the same as 比 (in fact you could alternatively write 較べる instead of 比べる considering both kanji are similar in meaning, though it’s less common).
Also yes, onyomi form is generally used when the kanji is adjacent to another kanji. Bear in mind however you will find some exceptions to that rule or that the onyomi has several different pronunciations, used in certain compound words.
Chocolate ISISCream
April 26, 2016 at 5:26 pmOkay. Minuteworld, I take back what I said about giving up when it comes to Kanji. I’m going to give Kanji another round, thanks for the information smug-chan.
J Smith
May 8, 2016 at 11:30 amIs it wrong that I like the pants picture more then th no pants picture
Kevin Cuello
June 10, 2016 at 9:57 pmnah its fine i like the pants one more as well