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Square Enix Gave Star Ocean 5’s Miki Bigger Panties in Fear of Western Criticism

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In an interview with 4Gamer, Square Enix has revealed some interesting tidbits regarding Star Ocean 5: Integrity & Faithlessness, as well as how the developer is viewing worrying ongoing trends in the modern, western part of the gaming industry.

In the interview, Star Ocean 5 character designer Akira Yasuda, director Hiroshi Ogawa, and producer Shuichi Kobayashi revealed that not only is the studio aware of western criticism of revealing female character designs, they’ve made changes to the game because of that very same western criticism.

“Recently there’s been a trend in games where if you put out a character that shows a lot of skin, later on you might have to make a lot of revisions, ‘although she’s erotic, there’s not a lot of skin showing’ is the feeling you get,” said Yasuda.

“In fact, it got a rating of C by CERO (Editor’s Note: Cero C is ages 15 or older),” Yasuda continued. He explained why the game’s spellcaster, Fiore, is wearing such a revealing outfit. “Fiore uses a lot of displayed crests on her skin to cast curses. That was part of her setting.”

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Caption: “Don’t make light of my camera work.”

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Finally, the developer confirmed they’ve slightly censored the game, in the form of Miki’s panties. You can view a comparison above, with the first image before the change, and the second image after the change.

“Recently, there’s been a lot of flak from overseas countries saying that if you put teens in ‘sexual’ underwear it’s not good,” said Kobayashi. “So we increased the amount of clothing.”

“How distressing (laughs),” Ogawa said in a follow up.

Star Ocean 5: Integrity & Faithlessness is set to release on March 31st in Japan on PlayStation 4, sometime this summer in the west on PlayStation 4, and on April 28th in Japan for PlayStation 3.

How do you guys feel about this change in Star Ocean 5: Integrity & Faithlessness? Despite it being a small change, how do you feel about the reasoning behind their decision? Sound off in the comments below.

Editor’s Note: Translation help provided by Claude Smith

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842 comments
  1. Etherblaze
    Etherblaze
    March 28, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    Not too blatant, but it’s still censorship they did out of fear, and it makes me sad.

  2. Annie T. Mood
    Annie T. Mood
    March 28, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Of course they did.

  3. Josh
    Josh
    March 28, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    IT’S TIME TO STOP LISTENING TO PEOPLE WHO DON’T BUY GAMES!

  4. Takane Shijou
    Takane Shijou
    March 28, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Things are silly.

  5. Syndromic
    Syndromic
    March 28, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Seriously fuck whoever said “We are not gonna take your games away.”

  6. alto_angelo
    alto_angelo
    March 28, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Thanks SJW

    We seriously need organization or group of people who can speak japanese as advocate to speak with the japanese developers.

    Western games media is full on puritans and will send false message to japanese game dev

    seriously

  7. Mir Teiwaz
    Mir Teiwaz
    March 28, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    It’s no-It’s…I..ugggggh.

    I just can’t today.

  8. Nocturnic
    Nocturnic
    March 28, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    If (and I say “if”) this gets on PC, then inb4 reverse-censorshit patches.

  9. Heavily Augmented
    Heavily Augmented
    March 28, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    THE CENSORSHIP TRAIN NEVER STOPS!

  10. Shinobu
    Shinobu
    March 28, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    It’s happening!

  11. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 28, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    Can’t we have a limit of 1 censorship news per day? This is getting rather annoying.

    Well, Square, I was on the fence about SO5. Guess I’ll save my money for games that treat me like an adult.

  12. Sabin Figaro
    Sabin Figaro
    March 28, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    Jim Cuckling is one of the bigger pundits of the “stop whining, manchildren, we’re not taking your games away”

  13. Joe Schmoe
    Joe Schmoe
    March 28, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    (EXTERNAL SCREAMING CENSORED)

  14. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    March 28, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    Wonder how Japanese gamers are taking this considering it affects all versions.

  15. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 28, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    Bob Chipman, Jim Sterling, Angry Joe, Anita Sarkeesian, Samantha Allen, Leigh Alexander and many, many more – take your pick and throw them in a volcano.

  16. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    March 28, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    Yep, they are having a huge negative influence on this industry and the only reason it’s happening is because of the media’s push.

  17. panda
    panda
    March 28, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    this is so tiny it shouldn’t matter but it’s yet another straw on the back of a camel that broke long ago.

  18. GonzoLewd
    GonzoLewd
    March 28, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    I honestly can’t really see the difference.

  19. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 28, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    Where is Acid Rain when we need him the most?

  20. GonzoLewd
    GonzoLewd
    March 28, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    Technically they aren’t taking it away.

  21. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 28, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    Yeah, they’re just making them so bad you don’t want to buy them anymore.

  22. RetroGamer
    RetroGamer
    March 28, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    Just imagine all the wonderful things in store for the FF VII remake…

  23. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 28, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    Torrential Downpour tried with Fire Emblem Fates, but it’s honestly pretty hard when we have like… Two people speaking Japanese and a trillion supports and other shit to get done.

  24. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 28, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Fat Tifa, transgender Cloud, Barret with no guns to avoid the black stereotype and they will still be offended.

  25. Migs
    Migs
    March 28, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    We are fucking fucked aren’t we? Go on, listen to people who actually don’t know anything and don’t buy the game. God we are so done.

  26. sanic
    sanic
    March 28, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    I’m to tired to care this is a problem to be solved within, until the puritanical BS is calmed I don’t know if I can blame them for not wanting to deal with nutcases who make their lives miserable.

  27. Mea K
    Mea K
    March 28, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    What little was changed honestly isn’t a big deal, but the fact it was done specifically to appease potential foreign critics is scary because if that becomes a trend Japanese games will start preemptively censoring themselves like western ones are.

    … Which is still a lesser evil than some third party localisation studio ruining everything, I guess. This is at least the work of the original developers. But what a state the industry is in if these are our two options.

    Not to mention the fact things like this and Street Fighter will make Japanese gamers hate our guts as westerners, even if we dislike this shit just as much as they do.

  28. Joe Schmoe
    Joe Schmoe
    March 28, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    “No more censorship apologists sluts in videogames”
    (Unzips pants)

  29. Steven T.
    Steven T.
    March 28, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    Just suplex my shit through the window fam.

    What western market? The big games press. They don’t fucking speak for us! They have their own agendas to push, none of which involve our input! For fucks sake, look at Batman v Superman. Critics came down hard on the movie, and it STILL made a ass-ton of money. Hell, DOAX3 got panned to, and even that did well (if Play-Asia’s anything to go by).

    Square Enix, for fuck’s sake, don’t listen to the press. Just do your thing and don’t change anything because of “fears”.

  30. AzureNova
    AzureNova
    March 28, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    All this censorship is really sickening -_-. I think companies should just start making two versions of games now. One with censorship, and one without so people can just have what they want. Ideally the censorship shouldn’t be done at all, but sadly this is the era we live in at the moment.

    The sad thing is they literally said they did this out of fear. Good job America. THIS is why we can’t have nice things.

  31. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 28, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    May he level up in gamer heaven.

  32. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    March 28, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Now I wonder who is more to blame for Bravely Second. I thought Square was above all this shit, now I see they definitely bought into this SJW garbage as well.

  33. Narmy
    Narmy
    March 28, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    There is a serious disconnect between Japanese developers and western gamers. They think the people who complain about sexualized characters are a large number, when in reality they are a very small and very vocal minority who don’t buy games but have a lot of media influence.

  34. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 28, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    Talking to Treehouse will do that to people.

  35. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 28, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    This is the most annoying part. To me it seems like they’re really not researching enough themselves.

  36. Didney Worl
    Didney Worl
    March 28, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    Of course they did.

  37. Nagato
    Nagato
    March 28, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    We have literally regressed back to the puritanism of the 90’s here:

    http://i.imgur.com/5gTQ677.jpg

    Hopefully this game will get a PC version, so some brave soul can give Derpyface Miki the panties she deserves.

  38. LinKurosawa
    LinKurosawa
    March 28, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    Square’s been SJW for awhile dude, this attached image is DQ8 on the 3DS in Japan, look at how terrible the censoring is.

  39. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    March 28, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    The change of panties doesn’t bother me that much, but what does is what they could change down the road in fear of what the west will think. For fuck’s sake Square, Star Ocean isn’t even that big of a series over here and all you’re doing is pissing off the already established fanbase.

  40. Mea K
    Mea K
    March 28, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    Wouldn’t work. The people that support censorship do so not because they want to play a censored game but because they want to deny others the chance to play a “harmful” uncensored one. Think of it as extreme egocentrism justfied through self-rightousness.

  41. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 28, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    STOP LISTENING TO THESE FUCKING HIPSTERS SQUARE THEY AREN’T BUYING YOUR GAMES!

    Fuck this was going to be my first Star Ocean game. Well that’s done now I am scared of what censorship is gonna happen in the FFVIIR. But what pisses me off the most are the apologists who are going to go “hurr you’re so petty because of one panty shot hurr!” If everybody just blue balled these companies while making our demnds clear this shit would stop.

    Square, we are adults and most of your paying customers don’t give a shit about sexualized teens. Look at Senran Kagura Estival Versus its getting rave reviews by fans. Take a page out of the Kamiya, Takaki, and Itagaki playbook and STOP GIVING A FUCK!

  42. Didney Worl
    Didney Worl
    March 28, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    Well, the 90s have been making a comeback lately. Might as well go all the way.

  43. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    Went from a will purchase to a nope nope nope for me. Won’t even import because the censorship is in the Nipponese version.

    I bet you the “translator” is 8-4.

  44. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    March 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    I will never understand this whole mindset. It just fucking baffles me.

    You’re fighting a losing battle to try and stop people from complaining about something being sexist. No matter what you do if you have a character with a design like Fiore or Tracer or R. Mika, it’s going to happen anyway.

    I’m not saying changing things is inherently bad, if you think something isn’t right changing it is your choice as a creator, but doing it out of fear of backlash (or even due to backlash actually happening) isn’t actually going to fix anything because people that complain about things like this will just find a new thing to say is bad.

  45. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    March 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    Wait, seriously? Just fuck my shit up.

  46. Figuratively Shaking
    Figuratively Shaking
    March 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    To be fair western devs have more contact with their players than ever and still do this shit. It’s hard to blame those that at least have an actual barrier for getting that impression.

  47. Uncle Slick
    Uncle Slick
    March 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    Not even gonna have Jap voices, so don’t care anyways.

  48. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    Where do you think the Nipponese captioned let’s play screenshot was taken from?

  49. AzureNova
    AzureNova
    March 28, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    Self righteous nonsense is what it is lol. Just because they don’t like something doesn’t mean they have the right to deny other of it.

  50. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    They confirmed that? It’s worse than I thought.

  51. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    March 28, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    I had case of denial for a moment.

  52. James Hewitson
    James Hewitson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    its been confirmed dual audio

  53. Mike Campbell
    Mike Campbell
    March 28, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    All of this over a panty shot getting removed smh

  54. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    March 28, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    Oh boy, time to listen to and waste development time for people who weren’t going to buy your game in the first place, had no interest in your game or series whatsoever, and STILL won’t buy your game.

  55. SolidSalamander
    SolidSalamander
    March 28, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    Honestly, a such a minor change doesn’t bug me all that much. It’s
    nothing even close to the egregiousness of such instances like 8-4’s
    recent translations, NoA/Treehouse’s recent localizations, NISA’s
    retarded-ass game-breaking shit and double-standards when it comes to
    censorship, etc.

    But it’s still something, and it shouldn’t be in
    issue in the first place. What’s wrong with what the underwear she had
    on? Isn’t it EMPOWERING to women to be sexy or feel/appear sexy, if
    nothing else? I suppose not if it makes other landwhale whiners on
    twitter feel un-sexy, and those beta-ass whiteknights who “rise up” to
    “defend” said whiners.

    Those assholes don’t represent the people
    who actually BUY these games. I wish Japan as a whole, and Japanese
    devs/publishers would just be able to see that, to realize it and give
    Western gaming media the biggest middle finger.

    Regardless, Miki
    is still cute, and she still has a cute butt, and I’ll still be getting
    this game. I enjoyed the previous Star Ocean games far too much, am far
    too engrossed in the lore of the games, to let something like a change
    of panties stop my enjoyment of the Star Ocean games.

  56. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    March 28, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    I’m honestly at this point more interested in seeing the shitstorm involving Honeybee Inn regardless of how it’s handled than I am in the game itself.

  57. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    “How distressing (laughs),”

    Devs are laughing at you hypersensitive screamers. You need to learn to pick your battles, and boycotting over panties is not something that makes you look good.

  58. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    But video games are still mostly medicore to shit, which is pretty far from the 90s.

  59. Syndromic
    Syndromic
    March 28, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Well it’s like dumbing it down like 4Kids doing to the popular anime.

  60. Didney Worl
    Didney Worl
    March 28, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Give the busybodies an inch and they’ll take a mile.

  61. Uncle Slick
    Uncle Slick
    March 28, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    Oh? I saw SE and just assumed.

    Still censored, so meh.

  62. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    Hey, it’s another 60 dollars I’ll save.

  63. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    March 28, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    I guess I DID want the 90’s back…

  64. James Hewitson
    James Hewitson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    If her outfit was completely toned down or dialogue is censored then I wouldn’t buy it, but if its only adding bigger pantsu then it doesn’t bother enough to not get it imo.

  65. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    Every step back is merely letting them say “but it was OK when ___ happened”.

    Not one step back!

  66. Uncle Slick
    Uncle Slick
    March 28, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    I get that, but it’s the principle. If you support them in buying it, they’ll think it’s acceptable.

  67. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    In what world is this taking a game away?

  68. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    Yes, yes, we know you don’t give a rats ass about censorship. Also you show your own ignorance in that statement. Obviously they do give a shit about hypersensitive screamers or else this shit would not happen.

  69. Mea K
    Mea K
    March 28, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    I don’t think many people are calling for an outright boycott because of this, though I could’ve just missed it.

    The big concern isn’t the change itself but the reason behind it. No matter how you look at it, Japanese developers preemptively censoring themselves to avoid the ire of foreign critics is a very scary prospect, even if it starts with something so small and innocuous.

  70. RyanoftheStars
    RyanoftheStars
    March 28, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    It’s nice you bring attention to this, but there are small mistakes and omissions I’d like to point out.

    “Recently, there’s been a lot of flak from overseas countries saying
    that if you put teens in ‘sexual’ underwear it’s not good,” said
    Kobayashi. “So we increased the amount of clothing.”

    There is a bit of misleading translation here, from the Japanese, it isn’t clear whether Kobayashi about multiple people or one person, or even multiple countries. He just uses the word “kaigai” for “overseas” and “shiteki ga atte” for “feedback.” So it’s not clear whether it’s from multiple countries and multiple people, or say an overseas Square Enix localization employee, or some Sony or game industry person, or somebody who e-mailed them, or a group of people, and Kobayashi certainly didn’t refer to it in the pejorative either.

    Also Akiman didn’t make the clarification on why Fiore does that, it was an asterisk note that 4Gamer wrote. Also, in the interview Kobayashi went on to remark that he was afraid on whether Fiore’s costume would pass inspection at CERO once turned into a full 3D model, because it made her even more voluptuous. Akiman also talks about how much the development team really liked the original design.

    Also, Ogawa didn’t say, “How distressing.” He expressed a lot of regret instead (presumably that it couldn’t get in).

    Also, 4Gamer asked for clarification that it was Fiore’s costume that didn’t pass at first and Ogawa said it was mostly that.

  71. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 28, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    Mombot on Twitter would be a good place to start.

  72. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    March 28, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    It just keeps piling on.

    One pair of panties isn’t a big deal, but it’s just yet another example. I feel like not one day goes by without hearing about something getting changed or someone getting offended or anything like that.

    I said in another post earlier that I’m playing Senran Kagura: Estival Versus right now. It’s an alright game, nothing really special, but I have so much respect for it precisely because its publishers let it be and didn’t play these games with us. The only removed content were licensed characters cut for rights issues, not because someone was crying foul about the female body.

    At this point I’m so tired of it all. I just want it to stop.

  73. James Hewitson
    James Hewitson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    dammed if we do dammed if we don’t eh? I hear ya bud ;P hoefully square get on the ball for a PC release.

  74. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    Oh there it is, by not boycotting a change to ALL VERSIONS OF THE GAME that you would never have known about 5 years ago is now supporting censorship.

    I can never get over how fucking stupid this argument is, especially given there never was any censorship since the changes are global. The entire word censorship has lost meaning thank to you crazy people.

  75. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    It’s been going on for decades. You lost already.

  76. FlameChocobo
    FlameChocobo
    March 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    *Sigh* I really hate Social Justice Warriors, they’re freaking sensationalist assholes that complain about the sexual attire that the women in video games wear. Nintendo’s not the only one being cyber bullied by SJWs. Some of the Japanese gaming companies as well. It’s just driving me and everyone crazy. Censorship needs to be locked in a cage so it doesn’t go berserk on games that have women wearing skimpy outfits.

  77. AzureNova
    AzureNova
    March 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    It’s not about the panties. It’s because there was no real reason for the change in the first place.

  78. Mea K
    Mea K
    March 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    Upvoted for visibility!

  79. djluke_1993
    djluke_1993
    March 28, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    Localisation from companies in a nutshell…
    Squareenix: We got rid of a bad ending on our
    game because bad feedback and thought the westerners couldn’t handle it and we are also afraid of them.
    Nintendo of America: ADD MORE MEMES!!!!
    Idea Factory: Replace everything with the word Nep.
    Xseed/Marvellous: ADD MORE BREASTS WE NEED MORE BREASTS!!!! Fuck those hipsters…

  80. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    They felt she had too little clothing. You can disagree with the reason but it’s a real reason.

  81. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 28, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    Games like Estival Versus and companies like XSeed shouldn’t be the exception they should be the rule.

  82. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    Why are you even here then if you’re such a defeatist person? Obviously people here are not content, unless you choose to be a cunt and rub it in people faces.

  83. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    Never give up! Never surrender!

  84. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    “Went from a will purchase to a nope nope nope for me. Won’t even import because the censorship is in the Nipponese version.”

    “Fuck this was going to be my first Star Ocen game.”

    The crazy people are indeed below.

  85. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    March 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    Who are they? It sounded like the devs were reluctant to change it but did it under external pressure.

    That’s the part that bothers me.

  86. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    I’ll keep playing games, thanks.

  87. Lightning
    Lightning
    March 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    The fact that you CARE weather or not you see that filth or not is proof that humanity is doomed.Only a matter of time.

  88. Figuratively Shaking
    Figuratively Shaking
    March 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    Do you guys go to meetings to pick platitudes to agree on or something? I notice “pick your battles” has had a recent resurgence among those who have nothing of value to say at all but still want to put on the air that you know exactly the answer to every situation to ever arise.

    I dislike focusing on people, but it really must be said. You’re not as smart as you desperately wish to appear, thanatos.

  89. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    I really don’t believe this is worth fighting for, in a battle you’re not going to win and have never won.

    Instead of impotently whining, fight a battle when it matters instead of over every change to the gaming universe. People might pay attention then. Seeing the same articles here over every single tiny change and the same people screaming the same things into the wind has gotten tiring.

  90. ChazDragoon
    ChazDragoon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    Integrity and Faithlessness INDEED…i guess i should be happy, i’m saving money with all these games i’m going to bypass due to censorship.

  91. Cael
    Cael
    March 28, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    Yes. This is exactly what I needed before going to bed.

    Fuck everything.

  92. Sapph
    Sapph
    March 28, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    Then, more people should learn Japanese if we want this to end. That’s one of the top items on my priority list after I return to speaking French at a competent (Which I guage will be by the end of this year).

  93. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    Then in all honesty, why mock those who want something better? I could understand if you just want to play the game, but every time an announcement like this happens you only seem to want to antagonize people who want a change.

  94. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    March 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    I have to wonder how much Square’s Western branches are influencing their Japanese counterparts.

  95. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    March 28, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    I always thought people wanted games to be art, to be respected as a medium.

    I don’t know about you but personally speaking I don’t respect a medium that constantly deals with this shit. I mean people don’t deny that film is an art form and for every Citizen Kane or Alien or Godzilla there’s like four million shitty action movies or softcore pornos.

  96. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    Wanting something better won’t get you something better. It’s counterproductive to go nuclear at every single perceived slight.

    This article is outrage porn, and we’re supposed to be the ones above that sort of thing. Nope!

  97. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    But the censorship here is in the Nipponese version too!

  98. Didney Worl
    Didney Worl
    March 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    The classic case of a monkey’s paw wish.

  99. Syndromic
    Syndromic
    March 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    Come down from your ivory tower. Internet has always been full of kneejerk reaction. And you’re no different.

  100. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    The changes are global thanks to people in the west, and you didn’t even bother explaining away the fact that it’s overly sensitive people in the west, who are now even affecting native releases.

  101. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    They didn’t seem that reluctant. The guy’s laughing about it.

  102. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Saying “NOT BUYING NOW WHEN WILL SQUARE LEARN!?” for the fifteenth time is not something of value to say either, but here’s another comment section full of it!

  103. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 28, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Square reps said the Cowardly Censored 2 translation was handeled by Nintendo when Rainfall asked.

    Square-Enix is just idiots led around by malicious “localization” companies.

    https://d2.maxfile.ro/wopmhrlpmu.webm

  104. Narmy
    Narmy
    March 28, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Well if you remember the Mighty No. 9 disaster, that’s exactly what happened there. Dina got hired to manage the English community (through nepotism, which is how most SJWs worm their way into positions of power), which gave her complete control over which feedback actually made it to the Japanese devs. I imagine it is the same with most western branches of Japanese companies.

  105. Syndromic
    Syndromic
    March 28, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Did you actually see his face?

  106. Mea K
    Mea K
    March 28, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    That was a mistranslation according to the post above by confirmed Japanese speaker RyanoftheStars:

    Also, Ogawa didn’t say, “How distressing.” He expressed a lot of regret instead (presumably that it couldn’t get in).

  107. Narmy
    Narmy
    March 28, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    That’s the worst part. Learning Nipponese was supposed to set us free from this garbage!

  108. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    And defeatism won’t either. It still doesn’t excuse you antagonizing people for their opinions. I know sometimes a legitimate discussion may not be possible, but it’s a two way street. People who share your opinion mock others fueling this antagonism, what purpose does it serve when you know the opinions here, yet still choose to antagonize?

  109. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    We’re getting to the point where people on this site are demanding to go into the early development meetings to see if something, ANYTHING is ever changed before a game comes out, and if it is, it’s censorship. Any change before the product is released even in Japan is now censorship apparently. Any change to a character vs the earliest concept art. That’s absolutely batshit insane to me. The kind of change that this article describes happens all the time.

  110. RyanoftheStars
    RyanoftheStars
    March 28, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    You realize that Fiore’s costume was changed due to CERO’s guidelines, which makes it an internal Japan issue? CERO is also responsible for the Ubisoft titles getting censored in Japan.

    Censorship is rising all over the world. That’s why I help out with translation, to give good information on the problem.

  111. JoeSislack
    JoeSislack
    March 28, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    The only crazy I see so far is from your rambling.

  112. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    Excuse me for not wanting to participate in yet another outrage circle jerk and pointing out that they serve little purpose.

  113. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    Look, I’d understand it if not for the current industry climate. A climate where developers are shredded apart by the opinions of those who most likely won’t even buy the game. Why sit in silence while those who don’t even play games, are allowed to dictate what we can or can not see?

  114. JoeSislack
    JoeSislack
    March 28, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    “I really don’t believe this is worth fighting for”

    Well then good for you. You can do whatever the fuck you want, just don’t come over here with this superior attitude of knowing what is best for the rest of us.

  115. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    Then why come to these threads then? You know what the general consensus is.

  116. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    March 28, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    B-b-b-but I never defend censorship!

    God you’re such a lying sack of shit lol.

  117. Syndromic
    Syndromic
    March 28, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    By taking away the original vision the creator intended. If you don’t get that

  118. Hossi Blumengaarten
    Hossi Blumengaarten
    March 28, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    SJW are going to get what is coming to them one of these days

  119. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    March 28, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    He won’t.

  120. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    March 28, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    The media! If only we could somehow destroy it.

  121. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    March 28, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    You are participating though… the comments section would probably be substantially smaller if it wasn’t for your back and forth, which also serves little purpose.

    People see something they care about going in a direction they don’t like. And yet you can’t wrap your head around why it might make people upset? You might just say its panties, whatever, but people are thinking of the big picture and what implications this could have down the road.

  122. Daryl Corey
    Daryl Corey
    March 28, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    small arms fire and improvised incindiaries like molotov cocktails?

  123. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    March 28, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    I agree to an extent. It sucks that they’re doing this at all and when you think about it, the reason people want this stuff censored doesn’t make sense like you said, what with the “it empowers women to wear sexy things” shit.

    My main issue with most of the changes/censorship that we’ve been seeing involve the west not getting the complete experience that Japan got, and I feel like that’s bullshit. I’m paying for what I expect to be the full experience, and when I don’t get that, I feel ripped off.

    Since that’s not the case here, I’ll still consider getting it, as the panties have been changed across all releases. It still blows ass that this shit is happening to begin with, though.

  124. Zeroroute
    Zeroroute
    March 28, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    Parents, try raising your own child instead of expecting games to do it for you.

  125. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 28, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    What a nice strawman, Thanatos.

    No, you fucking retard, we’re asking that the devs don’t cater to the smallest of minorities.

    Why don’t you stop being a mongoloid once in your life?

  126. Sarracenia
    Sarracenia
    March 28, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    It looks like she’s wearing a diaper. Like what the fuck.

  127. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 28, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    Be happy then, you’ll get your game now.

    Next year, it won’t be only panties, next year it will be lore. Like what happened with NOA.

  128. Captain Vidya
    Captain Vidya
    March 28, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    I know. They should have just given her bloomers. Then everyone would win.

  129. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 28, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    CERO’s guidelines, but didn’t you say it was also because of western advice?

  130. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    March 28, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Really?, WTF???!!!

  131. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Being “upset” is fine. Boycotting the game over this makes me shake my head in bafflement though. But asking for sanity is apparently antagonizing people now.

  132. Dewey Defeats Truman
    Dewey Defeats Truman
    March 28, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    I still think the worst example of a “small” change like this where it’s only a costume and not major translation problems like FEFates is Fatal Frame V. That one change was probably thought by the people making it to just be removing some costume they didn’t like but whoops, it’s actually part of the plot but I guess they didn’t give a damn.

  133. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    The whole vision? The whole game?

  134. Sapph
    Sapph
    March 28, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    I think it was more in the case of “We’re gonna have to change this to pass for a C rating (CERO’s equivalent to ESRB’s T) anyway, so we might as well futureproof it for other regions.”

  135. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    Attacking a patently false statement is clearly defending censorship. I love how idiotic you are.

  136. Dystopiq
    Dystopiq
    March 28, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    Don’t really care. I’m not playing the game so I can see underage girls in lingerie.

  137. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 28, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    The Soviet Army image is quite distressing, but desperate times call for desperate measures. We have to push back the Feminazi.

  138. Zeroroute
    Zeroroute
    March 28, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    Thoughts on the Bravely Second change then? Bravely went from censored costumes to cut content.

  139. Luke Schwiebert
    Luke Schwiebert
    March 28, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    Seems like a case of sticking a band-aid on a bleeding arm stump. If the developers really wanted to avoid offending people, they should have gotten rid of the panty shots entirely; nobody cares about the size of the thing, it’s still making you gawk at an underage girl.

  140. RyanoftheStars
    RyanoftheStars
    March 28, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    I said, according to the interview, Miki was due to overseas advice, but Fiore was due to CERO. They seem like two different issues from the way they were talking, but Kobayashi brought up Miki perhaps because the anecdotes were similar?

  141. Darji
    Darji
    March 28, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    Ok here is my opinion on it. To me this seems a bit different and I am fine with this since this is not happening only in the West version. Personally I think it is stupid to do this but here at least they made the decision to overall do it and not only with the west version.

    I would call this a free developer decision unlike the shit that was happening with Fire Emblem for example.

    That said: I will boycott any game which gets censored only in the West.

  142. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    March 28, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    how did they change Fiore ?

  143. Snea Zel
    Snea Zel
    March 28, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    It’s the thought that counts. It might not be a huge change but when you start kneeling down in front of SJWs it only gets more and more aggressive until you’re not getting the original devs vision of that game anymore. Every little piece of censorship makes it easier for bigger pieces to be justified.

  144. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    March 28, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    And he continues to defend censorship.

  145. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    March 28, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    If we’re going to go full retard and discuss fictional characters ages, isn’t she supposed to be 18?

  146. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    March 28, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    You just came here to act like a faggot lol.

  147. Luke Schwiebert
    Luke Schwiebert
    March 28, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    Yeah, I really wouldn’t call it censorship. Nobody demanded that they make any changes, and it wasn’t a change made solely for a specific region. They took a look at what they’d made, thought “hm, some people wouldn’t like this”, and made a change based on their observations. Sounds like just the normal sort of work a developer does.

  148. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    March 28, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    I happen to really like pantyshots. Why don’t we just arbitrarily remove things you like?

  149. Dystopiq
    Dystopiq
    March 28, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    I never kept up with BS’s changes. What was cut?

  150. Sapph
    Sapph
    March 28, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    “Snatcher” and “Shin Megami Tensei” were.

  151. RyanoftheStars
    RyanoftheStars
    March 28, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    They already did change Fiore due to the Japanese CERO guidelines. What you see is the changed version. She originally exposed more of her skin.

  152. Figuratively Shaking
    Figuratively Shaking
    March 28, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    “I don’t think this is censorship”
    “They just did the exact definition of self-/pre-censorship”
    Don’t bother writing words that you yourself will not read.

  153. Dystopiq
    Dystopiq
    March 28, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    Here let me simplify it then. I’m not playing the game so I fap to virtual girls in lingerie.

  154. WB1c_Marathon
    WB1c_Marathon
    March 28, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    You don’t even ask for sanity, in fact your first replies in this thread were mocking the people upset about this. That’s all you ever do when a post mentions censorship.

  155. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    March 28, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    is there a before and after images ?

  156. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 28, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    Has CERO always been this strict with ratings Ryan? I remember prior to 2006 I believe Japan was a lot more lax about censorship. In fact I see plenty of blood and gore in other Japanese media so why does it seem video games are being targeted?

  157. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    March 28, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    the issue is how western ideals are now affecting japanese games

  158. Darji
    Darji
    March 28, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    There will always be self censorship in creative media. But again this is different since they actually want to do this so it can sell better in their opinion. This is their own free decision and it is not an “localisation” issue.

  159. Darji
    Darji
    March 28, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    I agree with this point and I think it is stupid. But it is not something i will boycott a game for. For the Fire emblem shit, Fatal Frames 5 etc I will. For me it is important to get the exact same version they wanted to make. And this was their decision.

  160. RyanoftheStars
    RyanoftheStars
    March 28, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    Maybe if they release an artbook. Akiman did mention the original designs he did, so they might appear in that.

  161. Gale
    Gale
    March 28, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    So, do we have to start burning merchandise like Japanese Otaku do to their Idol shit when they get boyfriends just so people stop fucking with games like this?

  162. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    March 28, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    ok

  163. RyanoftheStars
    RyanoftheStars
    March 28, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    It’s a long story, but this article I posted the other day can give you a lot more information on how CERO evolved: https://t.co/p5jBec1J7o

    We used to be more lax, but 2006 wasn’t the year it all started to go downhill. It’s been more of a gradual thing. I can’t really explain it in one Disqus post, but if you read the interview in that link, someone from CERO is interviewed and well, it’s a shocking interview.

  164. Snea Zel
    Snea Zel
    March 28, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    When you want something done, do it yourself. If you’re fine with buying watered down content and are okay with -not- letting the developers know that isn’t what you want, that’s fine.

    But i’m going to say no. Because the game industry and the gamers that care about it deserve more than this. Sometimes a negative backlash is what it takes to make a company realize what they did was wrong. It sure isn’t a “well this sucks but i’m going to buy it anyways and just hope they will be upset at my 60 dollars and change their ways next time”

  165. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    March 28, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    Cero is actually more harsh that its western counterpart

  166. Dazefire_wf
    Dazefire_wf
    March 28, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    smh… this is getting really annoying ..

  167. Cats736
    Cats736
    March 28, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    That’s another game added to my Do Not Buy list.

  168. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    March 28, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    Oiii, is this going to get worse and worse or are we hopefully getting the worst of the censorship storm this year?

  169. scemar
    scemar
    March 28, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    Fire Emblem is Nintendo, they are more or less a lost cause.

    Even if they knew people didn’t want the censored version of the game we got they’d still not care and go ahead.

    But most japanese developers legitimately seem ignorant of how strong the divide is between gaming media vs gamers.

    I doubt they can even fathom such a thing in Japan, their media actually serves the people instead of attacking it.

  170. Cats736
    Cats736
    March 28, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    Most if not all aren’t either, doesn’t mean they can’t take issue with this.

  171. scemar
    scemar
    March 28, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    Realistically, they are.

  172. scemar
    scemar
    March 28, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    Censor just one thing and it is not “the game”.
    It becomes another thing, still a game.

    But not “the game” it originally was.

    So in a way they do take games away, we still get something but you can’t say we were not robbed of something.

  173. scemar
    scemar
    March 28, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    Maybe we just need to start sending them e mails with the game’s receipts and a PLEASE STOP CENSORSHIP YOU FOOLS sign showing proof the customers are against it.

    It’s really coming down to that, the times are just that desperate.

  174. Luke Schwiebert
    Luke Schwiebert
    March 28, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    They were not forced by outside hands to change their product, they did it of their own accord. You can call it “self-censorship” if you want, but it isn’t a problem. They wanted to make a change and they did it.

  175. Dr.Weird
    Dr.Weird
    March 28, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    Nintendy should be ramping up the censorship into overdrive sometime in the near future, at least if they’re planning on being true to form.

  176. scemar
    scemar
    March 28, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    I actually find the granny panties cuter for the character but censorship is censorship.

    I don’t want to hear a japanese dev saying “oh we had to change X because the west sjw are scary” ever ever. No matter how trivial it may be, it is a bad precedent, it is a bad route to go, it is a bad sign and it has to stop.

  177. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    Robbed of panties? Come on now.

  178. Chocolate ISISCream
    Chocolate ISISCream
    March 28, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    KEEP ALIENATING YOUR MAIN FANBASE

  179. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    “watered down content” is not seeing panties? This is the kind of hyperbole that gets us all nowhere.

  180. Sabin Figaro
    Sabin Figaro
    March 28, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    They’ll definitely take the cross-dressing scene out, because of the staggering levels of “muh oppression!!111 gender-fluid!!111” bullshit it will cause.

  181. TylorW
    TylorW
    March 28, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    There’s two things that are coming to mind right now reading this:

    1) If you are taking time out of your day to notice the panties that a character is wearing, and then go into extensive detail why you’re offended by said panties and focus only on them, I think you might be a closet perv imo (or a perv in denial).

    2) I almost forgot that the FFXV Uncovered is this Wednesday. Definitely looking forward to that. Will NicheGamer be covering that live?

  182. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 28, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    My first post directly suggests going apeshit over this is not sane. I don’t know how you read it otherwise.

  183. Figuratively Shaking
    Figuratively Shaking
    March 28, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    It’s convenient, that distinction. People doing things they clearly don’t want to do to their creation magically gets swept under the rug because there wasn’t a literal man with a gun to their head.

    It always is odd how quick people to open that particular loophole. I mean, it’s not particularly surprising from someone that thinks a video game is forcing them to ogle underage girls, but I mean in general and all that.

  184. morzinbo
    morzinbo
    March 28, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    Square Enix is basically dead to me anyway.

  185. Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    March 28, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    Can’t there be a direct way to let Japanese devs know that their main market doesn’t want to see their art censored? That the SJW’s are just a vocal minority not worth there time in fearing?

  186. Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    March 28, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    Just please, Square, don’t censor Fiore :,(

  187. Luke Schwiebert
    Luke Schwiebert
    March 28, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    Slippery slope! Smoking gun! Grassy knoll! Wake up America!

  188. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 28, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    Already did LOL.

  189. 日塔 奈美
    日塔 奈美
    March 29, 2016 at 12:02 am

    … Yeah this.

    I don’t even care about the panties. The biggest problem now is that Japanese developers are being pressured from outside the country.

    Who wants to take bets on censorship in FFXV? Bye-bye Cidney. 。・゚゚・(>д< )・゚゚・。

  190. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 29, 2016 at 12:04 am

    If modern feminism invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Video Games.

  191. Figuratively Shaking
    Figuratively Shaking
    March 29, 2016 at 12:04 am

    That’s adorable and all, but if you want to start making implications about my mental state you should really examine “it’s still making you gawk at an underage girl” some more.

  192. Burst Limit
    Burst Limit
    March 29, 2016 at 12:05 am

    I don’t think until a developer stands up to this bs it will stop .

  193. anon9370
    anon9370
    March 29, 2016 at 12:05 am

    It’s horrible. Fuck SJWs.

  194. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 29, 2016 at 12:06 am

    Make a big stink about it on other social media, write letters/emails to the developers expressing your discontent in a polite manner. Then encourage others to do the same. Also find someone who knows Japanese to translate everything you do or learn Japanese and do it yourself. If we get a large enough of a following companies will take notice.

  195. Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    March 29, 2016 at 12:06 am

    Wait, what do you mean? I reread the article and the character that got censored was Mikki. Fiore was the reason the game got a rating of C in Japan.

  196. anon9370
    anon9370
    March 29, 2016 at 12:07 am

    They are not puritains, they are anti-cis het male pandering. Learn the difference. They love gay fanservice.

  197. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 12:07 am

    Feminists are like the modern day Stasi. They are a minority yet just their bare existence is enough to make producers hide in fear, we are entering a new age of repression and terror were the slightest hint of sexualism is viewed as a terrorist act of bigger magnitude than 9/11, the Boston Bombs and the Airport attack at bruxssels combined and such things must be repressed at all costs.

    ““How distressing (laughs),” Ogawa said in a follow up.”- I want to see him laugh after pissing of a niche community were the slightest hint of censorship is enough to decrease your sales dramaticly, remember Ogawa this isn’t Final Fantasy

  198. anon9370
    anon9370
    March 29, 2016 at 12:08 am

    Japan will probably have JP only DLC for revealing costumes.

  199. anon9370
    anon9370
    March 29, 2016 at 12:11 am

    Thanatos is an SJW shill.

  200. CRES
    CRES
    March 29, 2016 at 12:11 am

    The hilarious part of this: This small act of censorship is creating more controversy than if it was just left alone.

  201. SuuLoliBoob
    SuuLoliBoob
    March 29, 2016 at 12:12 am

    I remember reading a review of FREE! on MAL once, and the reviewer questioned why the show was getting such praise when all it was was a male version of every female fanservice show. I have no problem with FREE as a show or anything that doesn’t revolve around fanserive for males, but i did
    like how the reviewer pointed out the double standards.

  202. Snea Zel
    Snea Zel
    March 29, 2016 at 12:13 am

    As it should. But I doubt this will ever be seen by those in charge of these designs.

  203. anon9370
    anon9370
    March 29, 2016 at 12:14 am

    The honeybee in will cut the girls in skimpy outfits and keep the gay stuff I bet lol.

  204. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    March 29, 2016 at 12:17 am

    Remember when they said ‘it is not a slippery slope’? Remember when they said ‘we are not against sexy’? Remember when they said they ‘don’t do blackmail’?
    How many lies are they going to pile on now?
    Also, shame on Square Enix for bending and making this the norm. Now other companies will actually have to fight harder to not butcher games on localization, whether the issue is minor or huge.

  205. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 12:19 am

    Here is some facts that hasnt hit the thick skulls of Niche. They control the reviews. Stop blaming the sjws who dont play gamws and instead scream at the ones who gives doax a 1.5.

  206. Narmy
    Narmy
    March 29, 2016 at 12:19 am

    It’s like people still don’t understand the Streisand Effect.

  207. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 12:19 am

    Only gomna get worse until the japanese gaming industry washes off all of the shaming it endured

  208. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 12:21 am

    Do it. At least if it does nothing you will be free from a weeb life.

  209. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    March 29, 2016 at 12:23 am

    I’ve been to war with him on his comments in his Destructoid days. He can’t be bothered to answer other than snarkily attack you in 3rd person.

  210. anon9370
    anon9370
    March 29, 2016 at 12:24 am

    Jim Sterling is a cuck in an open relationship with a vile feminazi hambeast.

  211. Neojames82
    Neojames82
    March 29, 2016 at 12:31 am

    I mean…yeah…this isn’t the worst of what SE has done recently, It seemed far worse in Bravely Second. But it is more sad that the Japanese developers now how to second guess what they want to create and put in a game before it even is fully finished. One could argue this isn’t censorship, but there is such a thing as self-censorship or corporate censorship as well.

  212. scemar
    scemar
    March 29, 2016 at 12:31 am

    Yes!
    Give me panties or give me death!
    VICTORY OR DEATH!

  213. Narmy
    Narmy
    March 29, 2016 at 12:33 am

    I still refuse to believe that thing isn’t just him in drag.

  214. Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    Eugenio Gil de la Madrid
    March 29, 2016 at 12:42 am

    But aren’t people already proving that reviewer is a joke with an agenda? I am sure that if someone could explain what is really going on to japanese developers they would understand

  215. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    March 29, 2016 at 12:43 am

    Modern FF getting censorship outside of Japan? Hah, you’re killing me!

  216. No_Good_Names_Ever
    No_Good_Names_Ever
    March 29, 2016 at 12:48 am

    Give me panties or give me the black plague so I can climb over the walls of Tumbler take everyone with me.

  217. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 12:53 am

    And tell them to abandon what is essentially an investment they had been making since the gaming industry came back to life? Japan doesmt have a native word for marketing and advertising.

  218. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    March 29, 2016 at 1:00 am

    #DIAPERMIKI
    #DiaperMiki

    This is painful

  219. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    March 29, 2016 at 1:00 am

    “Puritans” isn’t the word.
    “Marxists” is

  220. Kraken
    Kraken
    March 29, 2016 at 1:04 am

    not even nipon and their pantsu are safe. this is a grim day.

  221. nine_ball
    nine_ball
    March 29, 2016 at 1:21 am

    You know how little Treehouse and 8-4 think of the consumers? They hate anyone who doesn’t lap their shit up. Even if there were a gigantic push for better Nintendo translations, nothing would happen.

  222. nine_ball
    nine_ball
    March 29, 2016 at 1:22 am

    I choose all of them.

  223. nine_ball
    nine_ball
    March 29, 2016 at 1:24 am

    And what exactly is wrong with panties on a fictional character?

  224. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 29, 2016 at 1:39 am

    Nothing. But were they REALLY something you were looking forward to?

  225. LanNando
    LanNando
    March 29, 2016 at 1:42 am

    Panties are Mens dreams, how dare they!!

  226. Thesimpleway
    Thesimpleway
    March 29, 2016 at 1:50 am

    Can someone call him or write him an e-mail and tell him that is not the case for people who buy his games?

  227. grgspunk
    grgspunk
    March 29, 2016 at 1:56 am

    We only have ourselves to blame for not driving out the assholes that want to control our gaming industry.

  228. Ryuzaki57
    Ryuzaki57
    March 29, 2016 at 2:03 am

    The simple fat that you can still take that kind of pantsu shot shows that they didn’t compromised that much. And honestly as long as Fiore’s outfit is left unchanged it’s fine.

  229. BioDevil_Dom
    BioDevil_Dom
    March 29, 2016 at 2:05 am

    We need to let our fellow Japanese gamers know that we don’t stand for this bullshit and we just as pissed.

  230. LostGryphon
    LostGryphon
    March 29, 2016 at 2:11 am

    …Are these people just not aware that they don’t HAVE to do this?

    Seriously. The people who are interested in the game will fucking BUY it. The people who whinge about stuff like this? They weren’t interested to begin with.

    They’re only punishing their demographic, for fuck’s sake. -_-

  231. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:17 am

    You people are so brainwashed. There is no “listening to people who don’t buy games”.

  232. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:18 am

    No one is taking your games away. Grow up.

  233. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:19 am

    Square Enix is the creator.

  234. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:20 am

    No actually that’s just a lie that you’ve been fed.

  235. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:21 am

    It’s called porn

  236. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:21 am

    Learn what words mean.

  237. nine_ball
    nine_ball
    March 29, 2016 at 2:21 am

    Somewhat, yes. Well designed underwear on any character is a nice detail most developers ignore. I’d rather see something that took a bit of time to make than just some bland, solid colored garment, or worse, an empty black void.

  238. Syndromic
    Syndromic
    March 29, 2016 at 2:21 am

    Actually Square Enix is just the publisher, genius.

  239. DeusEx
    DeusEx
    March 29, 2016 at 2:22 am

    So they turned some sexy panties into adult diapers. Fucking great.

  240. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:22 am

    Did you think before writing any of this?

  241. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:23 am

    This shit writes itself.

  242. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 2:23 am

    People are blowing this out of proportion like crazy.
    So what if the underwear became more covering? It’s not that much different.

    I’d be “more worried” if they actually censored it with black void.

  243. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 2:24 am

    They had spent millions of dollars in keeping the press happy. And in Japan the media is kept on a tight leash by the devs and publishers. Here they are not.

  244. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 2:25 am

    We had our fun for the last 4 years thanks to NISA, now the debt collector has come to collect.

  245. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:26 am

    I love how you cower in fear that one day fat people and trans people will be in video games, even though the people you want will stay ubiquitous.

  246. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 2:27 am

    You do realise Nomura has confirmed it to be in ages ago, right?

  247. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:27 am

    Have you tried growing up?

  248. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 2:27 am

    Are you seriously going to bypass this game because of a minimal change like this?

  249. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:28 am

    Have you tried not telling lies?

  250. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:28 am

    “I don’t like censorship, so people who disagree with me should be put in metaphorical cages”

  251. Hime732
    Hime732
    March 29, 2016 at 2:29 am

    Considering what the Room was about, this is quite fitting.

  252. Darji
    Darji
    March 29, 2016 at 2:29 am

    So japanese people seem very pissed which is understandable now its on SE to think who is more important. As I said before for me it is not censorship but rather a decision to try to sell more.. However now we have the opposite in which people are angry about this change. Lets see what happens^^

    Here is the best option: Have these panties or bathing suits optional and let the player decide what to you^^

  253. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    March 29, 2016 at 2:30 am

    What ive been noticing with these types of changes is that you give them an inch, they’ll take a mile. We’ve been seeing more of this example as of late. The changes do start small at first, like covered underwear, but the changes do tend to be more noticeable to the point where certain gameplay content is either taken out, story elements and characters are changed and other noticable elements get altered to the point where a localized game is a gimped version of the Japanese counterpart. The worse of it is that these companies expect the consumers to pay full price.

  254. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 2:31 am

    Don’t worry it’ll be forgotten in a couple of days.

  255. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 2:31 am

    Sad.

  256. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 2:32 am

    Fat people and trans people (catherine) are already in videogames though.

  257. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 2:32 am

    SE isn’t that harsh with censorship, the worst they’ve done is taking Kairi’s (KH2.5) and Selphie’s (KH1.5) panties and turning it into black void as far as I know.

    So if anything, this is far lesser censorship that has happened.

  258. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 2:34 am

    Oh well most games don’t show the panties anyway.

  259. GonzoLewd
    GonzoLewd
    March 29, 2016 at 2:34 am

    But they aren’t literally taking them off the shelves. We have to be careful when we use that quote on situations like this.

  260. GonzoLewd
    GonzoLewd
    March 29, 2016 at 2:34 am

    How so?

  261. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 2:35 am

    Here we have a guy that tries to look up every characters skirt by messing with the camera, lol.

  262. GonzoLewd
    GonzoLewd
    March 29, 2016 at 2:35 am

    Yeah but they aren’t literally taking it away since it’s still coming to the west.

  263. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 2:36 am

    HE MUST HAVE THE PANTIES! heh…

  264. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 2:37 am

    You say it like this is the first time SquareEnix has ever censored anything…

  265. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    March 29, 2016 at 2:39 am

    I was referring to a more broader selection of localized games really. But in SE’s case they did let Bravely Second go out of hand with the localization. Whitewashing a character class, censoring mildly revealing outfits, altering side quest and even leaving out a specific bad ending from what im hearing. Sad thing about it is that Bravely Second isnt the first to get botched this badly in the localization as of late.

  266. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    March 29, 2016 at 2:42 am

    The reason that ‘westerners can’t handle it’s is a huge problem. Because this sets up a precedent. It’s not just this one instance anymore at that point.

  267. Darji
    Darji
    March 29, 2016 at 2:44 am

    This was Nintendo and not SE. Nintendo had authority about the localisation.

  268. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 2:46 am

    Do they really have that much power over Nintendo to force such changes?

  269. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 2:47 am

    I guess you’re right about Bravely Second. Just wondering how much Nintendo actually controls it since SE seems to be reluctant on completely handling that stuff (as is apparent by having Nintendo localise & distribute it)

    (Wasn’t the ending something stupid? I recall hearing that it wasn’t that well received in Japan either)

  270. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    March 29, 2016 at 2:52 am

    Yeah. CERO is an issue as well. It’s really compounded by both pressures.

  271. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    March 29, 2016 at 3:00 am

    I dont know the ending specifically, but I did read something about SE mentioning the ending not being received well and leaving it out for the localized version.

  272. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 3:01 am

    The pantyshot is still there though. It wasn’t replaced by a black void.

  273. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 3:05 am

    How is making some damn pantsu slightly bigger the same as “dumbing down”?

  274. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 3:09 am

    How did SE make this a norm? They barely censor their games at all.
    When it comes to their localisation I can only think of this (+Fiore censorship before it) and dark void for Kairi + Selphie panties. That’s pretty much it.

  275. nine_ball
    nine_ball
    March 29, 2016 at 3:09 am

    They don’t need that much power because NoA doesn’t care what they do.

  276. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 3:11 am

    So considering Fiore was censored ages ago prior to this you never really intented on buying the game to begin with, right?

  277. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    March 29, 2016 at 3:17 am

    That is what I mean though. These latest changes the past few years is making it a norm as of late.
    Before that, we could ask for perfect adaptations just fine and actually get it. Nowadays, no telling.

  278. BaronB
    BaronB
    March 29, 2016 at 3:27 am

    Distressing indeed. (hollow laughs)

  279. David Mayn
    David Mayn
    March 29, 2016 at 3:35 am

    Another day, another piece of news about SJW idiocy. sigh.

  280. Smug
    Smug
    March 29, 2016 at 3:35 am

    This is also the guy who believes piracy is for underaged kids or memes are legit good humour too

  281. Smug
    Smug
    March 29, 2016 at 3:44 am

    It’s like you’re too stupid to think about the big picture, and what this external pressure from the West to jap devs will lead on in the future.

    That kind of censorship starts with the small things before going to the bigger things.

  282. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 3:53 am

    Japan actually gets worse censorship then we do nowadays. So much of the violence is censored to shit.

  283. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 3:57 am

    Majority of people outside of Nichegamer don’t give a shit though.

  284. Luka
    Luka
    March 29, 2016 at 3:57 am

    Blame Enix for being pussies and changing shit

    that doesnt matter IMO

    That minority group has nothing to do with

    “the west” either smh

  285. Luka
    Luka
    March 29, 2016 at 3:59 am

    You still at destructoid? smh

  286. Billy Lukman
    Billy Lukman
    March 29, 2016 at 4:01 am

    What a coward and loser?

  287. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    March 29, 2016 at 4:01 am

    FIrst our President gives us all a shitty reputation, now a handful of SJW on the Twittersphere make us all look stupid.

    I hope foreigners someday realize that the policies that come out of America are largely not the will of most Americans. Can’t speak on behalf of the rest of the West.

  288. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 29, 2016 at 4:01 am

    That’s a cute retort coming from a group of people who threw a tantrum over a joke or a t-shirt. Or how about blocking people on Twitter that don’t agree with you and can logically eviscrate you. LOL Don’t throw stones at glass houses.

  289. Luka
    Luka
    March 29, 2016 at 4:03 am

    It is no big deal

    What pisses me off is their whole

    “well the west made us do it”

    Bs pandering for a small group

    Doesnt represent us at all

  290. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 4:03 am

    Looking at the sales of Fire Emblem Fates you seem to be in the minority as well.

  291. Luka
    Luka
    March 29, 2016 at 4:03 am

  292. scemar
    scemar
    March 29, 2016 at 4:08 am

    Interesting thing to say, how is it kept on a leash?

    I admit I do not really know that well how it works.

    All I’ve seen is that game companies, media and audiences seem to all get along quite well, games incorporate the media often (such as magazine cooperations) and the media treats the games nicely as well, the media treats the players well and the players seem to like it back.

  293. scemar
    scemar
    March 29, 2016 at 4:10 am

    He’s a literal manchild that thinks he’s cool.

  294. scemar
    scemar
    March 29, 2016 at 4:11 am

    They set cause and effect actions that lead to the loss of the thing, so in practical terms, they are responsible for the result which is the loss of it.
    So they took it away. Even if technically it was not by their hand.

    And in the end, the game we get is not the game we were going to get, the game we might have gotten, if it wasn’t for them.

    So they did take our game away.

  295. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 29, 2016 at 4:14 am

    And that’s a perfectly acceptable position, but flipping a switch from “Looking forward to this” to “OMG CENSORSHIP NOT BUYING EVAR NOW” because they changed the UNDERWEAR on one of the characters before the Japanese release of the game (read: game is still in active development) is absolutely ludicrous.

  296. scemar
    scemar
    March 29, 2016 at 4:17 am

    Thanks.
    That’s quite something.

    I hate foreigners too.
    Don’t we all?

    Maybe we can learn to use google translate to communicate with Japan and bond over our mutual hate for the foreginers that are ruining videogames.

  297. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 4:21 am

    And so it begins…
    I was all hyped for the game but now i’m not even sure i will buy it,no backbone at all SquareEnix…

    “Recently, there’s been a lot of flak from overseas countries saying that if you put teens in ‘sexual’ underwear it’s not good,” said Kobayashi. “So we increased the amount of clothing.”

    No Mr. Kobayashi,there’s little flak.You are just giving in to the demands of a small minority that make alot of noise called sjws that won’t even buy your games.

  298. Akuma
    Akuma
    March 29, 2016 at 4:24 am

    Seriously, why? Dunno what to do to get rid of that cancer… Is it so bad to show tits and ass while blood and guns are perfectly fine? Hey USA, it’s about time you stop doing shit and let the rest of the world do as they please…

  299. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 4:25 am

    I don’t blame them for being this angry when Japanese devs ruin their games because of “us”.
    Maybe Japanese gamers should talk directly with us to understand what’s happening because we are just as pissed as them.

  300. Luka
    Luka
    March 29, 2016 at 4:27 am

    Bitch dont bunch us in

  301. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 4:32 am

    That’s good to know but i don’t have a twitter account.

  302. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 4:39 am

    They’re in fucking diapers at this point

  303. epy
    epy
    March 29, 2016 at 4:41 am

    Those are diapers though…

  304. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 4:42 am

    As long as gamers will have this;”it’s no big deal” mentality it will continue and even get worse,see NOA.

  305. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 4:42 am

    That’s not even a fucking argument

  306. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 4:45 am

    You are the cancer that will kill this industry

  307. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 4:47 am

    Have you tried actually using your brain?

  308. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 4:48 am

    Like hell it is.

  309. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 4:49 am

    Take your own advice and snap out of your fucking delusions

  310. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 4:50 am

    A deluded feminazi like you would say that

  311. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 4:51 am

    Learn what fucking reality is.

  312. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 4:55 am

    Thank goodness we still have XSEED and IFI that don’t give a fuck about sjw whining.

  313. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 4:57 am

    What kind of lies are you refering to good sir?

  314. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 4:59 am

    Voting with your wallet is your best argument against them.

  315. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    March 29, 2016 at 5:00 am

    Fine I’ll buy it used then, I have zero tolerance for this shit.

  316. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 5:02 am

    KoeiTecmo and Idea Factory understand very well what is happening.In this day and age with the internet there is no excuse about not being informed;either SE doesnt give a shit or are in bed with the sjws.

  317. Ninjagai
    Ninjagai
    March 29, 2016 at 5:05 am

    Another game I don’t have to spend $60 on.

  318. Nugene Ambers
    Nugene Ambers
    March 29, 2016 at 5:07 am

    They gave a child characters bigger underwear, such a negative influence, mhm, you sound like a fucking tool.

  319. Bio Sock
    Bio Sock
    March 29, 2016 at 5:08 am

    I wish they would stop saying it’s “western criticisms”. It’s not. It’s a few, albeit loud and hysterical, dingbats shrieking about everything that doesn’t suit them just so.

  320. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 5:12 am

    Too much work for nowadays parents.

  321. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 5:15 am

    Which sane person likes censorship?

  322. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 29, 2016 at 5:16 am

    He wasn’t trying to make an argument – just a pathetic personal attack.

  323. Soaringfalco
    Soaringfalco
    March 29, 2016 at 5:16 am

    Last I checked being 18 means your no longer a teen. Why are Japanese devs so stupid these days no offense.

  324. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 29, 2016 at 5:18 am

    Oh, do tell what the “people I want in video games are”. You also have an interesting definition of fear – when you take the piss out of something you are not really afraid of it.

  325. Jack Palmer
    Jack Palmer
    March 29, 2016 at 5:32 am

    Won’t someone please think of the children?!

  326. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 29, 2016 at 5:34 am

    If I listened to the people here, no developer would be safe to buy from, as they’ve all made changes to this game or that over the years and thus any purchase is “supporting censorship.”

    I think instead I’ll just play the games I like.

  327. Alistair
    Alistair
    March 29, 2016 at 5:39 am

    Square enix can go get bent seriously Devs should not forces of what pressure groups femminazis SJWs said it like them saying to Devs why you picking on fictional characters.

    How about them focus more about real world problems & not some Fucking stupid cartoon characters in video games.

    & yes stop pushing like the whole western are against this trend in games it the minority of SJWs are vocal.

  328. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 5:39 am

    Exactly.What the devs don’t get is these fanatics complain because it’s their job,their ideology,their religion.Remember what Sarkeesian once said;everything is sexist,everything is racist and you have to constantly point it out.

  329. Azure
    Azure
    March 29, 2016 at 5:40 am

    ffs I was actually looking forward to this game. Not anymore.

  330. Soaringfalco
    Soaringfalco
    March 29, 2016 at 5:48 am

    You make it seem like US is the problem and by the west isn’t just USA you know. And not all Americans including myself are ok with censorship

  331. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 5:51 am

    Tifa in a burqa confirmed.

  332. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 29, 2016 at 5:57 am

    Pretty much this, we aren’t happy about this bullshit either. Hopefully this will light a fire underneath Japanese gamers to realize that the politics of the regressive left are fucking up their games. The sooner we develop an open dialogue with Japanese gamers and developers the better.

  333. Brandon Wolfley
    Brandon Wolfley
    March 29, 2016 at 5:57 am

    To be fair to Joe, Bob, and Jim, I can’t hold it against them when they initially said it. Come on, did anyone realize back then how big a problem these people were gonna become? Now the fact they haven’t admitted they were wrong (or you know, doubled down like Jim and Bob have) that I can gladly hold against them.

  334. DNetwork
    DNetwork
    March 29, 2016 at 6:00 am

    Tri-ace

  335. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 6:00 am

    The “censorship” exhibited in this case isn’t drastic as it doesn’t make a dent in the so called adaptation especially when the censorship that Fiore and Miki have had affect all the versions.

    Censorship in games has been happening for decades, some of the changes are something that you wouldn’t even know if you hadn’t been told it was censored. The change of panty size would be exactly like that. Anyone who is flipping out and saying how they just can’t buy the game now because it’s ‘ruined’ is heavily overreacting.

  336. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 6:05 am

    He lost touch with reality long time ago.

  337. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 29, 2016 at 6:09 am

    You are right, but the response to the SJW toxic rhetoric, should be “fuck off” from the get go. As you said not correcting their mistakes is compliance.

    Joe isn’t much better than the other 2 – that video when he passionately defended Sarkeesian shows pretty well where he stands. You can’t defend today’s Jack Thompson and claim to be a consumer advocate for gamers.

  338. Akuma
    Akuma
    March 29, 2016 at 6:11 am

    Of course i know the west is not just USA, and many americans want the games not to be censored. Problem is, most sjw’s (or at least the most aggressive) come from USA. And when you see sites like Facebook, Apple, etc… banning a single tit, well…
    But sorry if i hurt you.

  339. Soaringfalco
    Soaringfalco
    March 29, 2016 at 6:16 am

    No your fine:) anyways those SJW like talking shit they have no power, yet I just don’t get why companies like square or capcom or blizzard give two F’s about a community that don’t support their games.

  340. Akuma
    Akuma
    March 29, 2016 at 6:23 am

    I think the big companies like SQEX, Capcom, etc… just want to keep a “clean” reputation, especially as their games get quite a lot of attention. They’re afraid sjw could play their games and give back feedback anywhere they could. And considering how easily people can be influenced by shit on the net, well… Other “smaller” companies like Marvelous know they won’t get any feedback, probably 99% of their sales will come from the niche gamers, so they can end with their middle finger standing and some “deal with it bitches, it’s printing money for us”

  341. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    March 29, 2016 at 6:24 am

    Well this game is dead to me now and Square goes on my companies I won’t buy from list.

  342. Swarm of Unowns
    Swarm of Unowns
    March 29, 2016 at 6:34 am

    Let’s hope they don’t ruin best girl aka Fiore.

  343. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 6:35 am

    The difference is that they have the option to dl a restoration patch for free in their psn to restore the violent content (look up the Evil Within for example)

  344. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 6:35 am

    If you people who say you’re not going to buy this game / buy anything from SE after this are serious about it, you’re not exactly acting any better than the SJW boogeymen who refuse to buy a game with big tits in it.

    This change will NOT change the game one bit unless you just start at Miki’s panties and do nothing else. (Reminder that breast jiggle is still there and to stay which is far more lewd than these damn panties)

    It’s a change you wouldn’t even know about if it wasn’t announced. Some of you must have played Xillia but I bet many don’t know about censorship that happened with (spoiler) Agrias’ death scene where in Jap version she flips Leia off and in English version just points at her.

  345. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 6:37 am

    I actually imported Xillia because of that, what’s bad about all this is that all version were changed, which means the cancer is spreading in Japan too. Let’s hope I didn’t spend all those years learning japanese just to get shit censored over there too

  346. Swarm of Unowns
    Swarm of Unowns
    March 29, 2016 at 6:43 am

    Well, that’s somewhat disappointing

  347. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 6:44 am

    Except that it has been happening for a long, long, long, long time. It’s nothing new.

  348. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    March 29, 2016 at 6:46 am

    Looks like she’s wearing a diaper now

  349. Brandon Wolfley
    Brandon Wolfley
    March 29, 2016 at 6:48 am

    Is it bad that I’m so burned out at this point I can’t even manufacture fake rage over something this trivial T_T

  350. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 6:49 am

    A Long long time in the west, that much is true, that is why I allways import if given the chance, but this time even importing won’t save me

  351. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    March 29, 2016 at 6:55 am

    The anger towards censorship comes over time, scroll down a bit and you will see a picture of japanese comments who start to really get annoyed by this now, because it starts to pile up for them too.
    When I bought Xillia I didn’t knew about that censorship, only a good while after beating it, same for Bravely Default (not buying Bravely Second though because of censorship), same for previous Star Ocean games, and at those times, while it annoyed me, I didn’t thought about it too much, they felt like isolated cases.

    But at one point you don’t give a shit anymore what got censored, the mere fact that something got taken out because the publisher wants to appease people who don’t buy these games regardless if they are censored or not, because they will whine on Twitter about it, starts to make people angry.
    My turning point was Xenoblade X, I wish it would have happened earlier but I can’t change it now, I’m just so sick of this bullshit that I will not give my money to publishers who value the feelings of non costumers over actual costumers anymore. (I only accept censorship if it is actually done to avoid actual bans or the AO rating, because that is simply beyond the company’s control, like Atlus did with Dungeon Travelers 2)

    I fully support Idea Factory’s decision to not localize a game anymore if it means they would have to censor it, I also support companies who rather make an english asia version than to actually bring it to the west and of course publishers like Xseed who simply don’t censor games during localization.

  352. Nazzaroth
    Nazzaroth
    March 29, 2016 at 6:56 am

    its not the change itself but the fact that devolopers cave in so easily to stupid requests that makes me consider not suporting them!

  353. Brandon Wolfley
    Brandon Wolfley
    March 29, 2016 at 6:58 am

    Honestly I would have agreed with you regarding Joe prior to watching his SFV video where he was clearly annoyed by Rainbow’s censorship. We’ll ignore for now that he apparently hadn’t even heard about it until he was playing the game and had to google what happened because he was expecting the butt-slap when he played her. If only I were so lucky >_<

  354. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 7:04 am

    Censorship happens in tons of games both in West and East but most of it tends to be slight changes you wouldn’t really know about unless you looked for it.

    Xseed had to cave in for Senran Kagura where they just omitted ages.

    This is pretty much on par with that change. It’s a slight piece of clothing that you go out of your way to see in the first place.

    “the publisher wants to appease people who don’t buy these games
    regardless if they are censored or not, because they will whine on
    Twitter about it, starts to make people angry.”
    The same is happening right here when something, even the tiniest thing, gets changed people just get mad at the game and call how they’re not going to buy it (were they seriously going to buy the game in the first place solely because of that piece of clothing?) and try as I might, I seriously can’t picture people buying this game solely because of it. (+The aforementioned changed to Fiore that happened ages ago)

  355. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 7:04 am

    What, so if they played hard to get for a while it would be ok? Why?

  356. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 29, 2016 at 7:05 am

    Joe is a populist. He’ll pick a hot topic and swing to whichever side has more voices, which is a bit spineless and worrying. One example that comes to mind is his DmC review, where he pretended to be a fan of the series while defending Ninja Theory’s abomination, just to keep everyone satisfied. While I don’t think he’s an enemy of free speech, I find him generally useless and not worth of my time.

  357. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    March 29, 2016 at 7:05 am

    -Niche game
    -JRPG
    -Panders to weeaboos
    -Removes pantsu

    Yeah, nothing wrong here

  358. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 29, 2016 at 7:11 am

    Prove it.

  359. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 29, 2016 at 7:11 am

    They’ll be even worse.

  360. Cerzel
    Cerzel
    March 29, 2016 at 7:18 am

    It’s not out of the question when you remember Type-0 HD giving the moogles that made up xe/xir bullshit in the encyclopaedia. When they actually had genders.

  361. David Curry
    David Curry
    March 29, 2016 at 7:18 am

    Why learn Japanese? If you want to do it as a hobby, that’s fine… but do you think the Western complainers bothered to learn Japanese before complaining? Just speak up and let your voice be heard. That’s what worked for the Western complainers.

  362. Ero-Sennin
    Ero-Sennin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:22 am

    This trend of developers pandering to a small vocal minority on the internet about sexuality in video games is sickening, a little bit of skin is a sin, but gratuitous amount’s of violence is no issue at all.

  363. Brandon Orselli
    Brandon Orselli
    March 29, 2016 at 7:26 am

    FYI – we compared quotes directly to the 4Gamer article and only pulled what we thought relevant. As far as I’m concerned it’s accurate, considering the nature of Japanese as a null-subject language. As for the “how distressing” bit, it’s from kuyashii, which people do say if they are distressed.

    Thanks for pointing this out though – we do try to be as accurate as possible.

  364. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 7:27 am

    “STOP LISTENING TO THESE FUCKING HIPSTERS SQUARE THEY AREN’T BUYING YOUR GAMES!”

    Pot, kettle.

  365. Brandon Wolfley
    Brandon Wolfley
    March 29, 2016 at 7:28 am

    Fair enough. I still like Joe, but I can definitely see your point when I compare his Metro Last Light or Witcher 3 review to his MGSV review.

  366. Allan Yagamy
    Allan Yagamy
    March 29, 2016 at 7:29 am

    Well… Senran Kagura or Megadimension Neptunia didn’t seem to have much problems with this.
    Smells like an excuse to aim for a lower rating without taking the blame for it.

  367. Etherblaze
    Etherblaze
    March 29, 2016 at 7:30 am

    Try harder.

  368. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    March 29, 2016 at 7:30 am

    Destructoid was somewhat fun. When the Zoe post appeared and they defended it like hell it was quite obvious that Sterling wasn’t the only problem there. I found better websites to frequent since then.

  369. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 7:32 am

    They already changed Fiore ages ago.

  370. Jack
    Jack
    March 29, 2016 at 7:33 am

    WRYYYYYYYY

  371. eltonBorges
    eltonBorges
    March 29, 2016 at 7:35 am

    his time I find it hard to put the blame on the media. Star Ocean 5 seems to have some stuff that western media will surely talk about, like the witch’s clothing, but this seems like something that was motivated by someone inside the company. Couldn’t it be that someone working at western SquEnix kept pressuring Japan about the possible “backlash”. I mean, most japanese devs seem to really don’t even know what happens in the western market. They usually don’t really develop games with this market in mind at first.
    So, I think this was someone inside the company that have a good connection with the japanese side.

  372. amc99
    amc99
    March 29, 2016 at 7:43 am

    WIth this, NOW I BELIEVE that it is SE that actually asked for the censorship in Bravely second’s 3d models. After all they also said they are the one that changing the game’s story in western release for “improvement”

  373. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 7:45 am

    Yes, I’m sure it was SE and not good ol’ Ninty.

  374. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 7:52 am

    3 of those points are wrong though.

  375. 7-D Sensei
    7-D Sensei
    March 29, 2016 at 7:57 am

    Im a fan of Star Ocean, something more major would have to happen to put me off from buying, but yeah im tired of this goofy ass 4Kids type edits.

    Miku is love Miku is life.

  376. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 8:00 am

    Violence does get censored in certain countries like Japan, Germany and Australia, though.

  377. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 8:01 am

    CERO has been around for 14 years soon.

  378. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 8:02 am

    Difference is XSEED and IFI know who their audience is contrary to SE.

  379. CrusaderEsper
    CrusaderEsper
    March 29, 2016 at 8:26 am

    Well, I guess it really is over. Anita and the SJWs have won. The well has been poisoned so badly that the Japanese are now censoring their games in their own country to appease people that will never play their games.

  380. NuclearCherries
    NuclearCherries
    March 29, 2016 at 8:27 am

    Whelp, another day, another game censored because of whinging SJWs.
    Now even the Japanese are getting this shit. We need to take gaming back from these bloody hipster faggots.

  381. Carl619
    Carl619
    March 29, 2016 at 8:29 am

    They just recognise that Western its the guilty of censorship. At least give japanese gamers the opportinity to buy an ancensored game and with eng subs for westerns buyers.

  382. Carl619
    Carl619
    March 29, 2016 at 8:37 am

    People don’t complain that SJW don’t buy games with big tits, we complain because they want the game to fail in market, they insert their politics in review, call everyone who buy a pervert or pedophile, they even try tyo get you fired or publicly ashamed.

    That doesn’t make it correct if it doesn’t affect gameplay. If a developer wants to add erotism to a character, they don’t have to fear that next week they have to change it because someone felt triggered. This kind of censorship can only go more unless someone complain now and make a campaign to stop. How many did we hear excuses to avoid polemic and appease your fans to buy it with lies?

  383. Feniks
    Feniks
    March 29, 2016 at 8:38 am

    Fuck this somebody kill me already. SJW has entered the base.

  384. Allan Yagamy
    Allan Yagamy
    March 29, 2016 at 8:40 am

    After trying to make everyone their audience, I don’t think SE has a specific audience anymore.
    I’ll stick to IF. So far so good with them.

  385. Feniks
    Feniks
    March 29, 2016 at 8:41 am

    So how many jrpgs did you buy in the last six months, out of curiosity?

  386. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:41 am

    I watched FREE! for the swimming I swear!

  387. CirnoTheStrongest
    CirnoTheStrongest
    March 29, 2016 at 8:45 am

    I might be one of th efew that thinks this is more appealing. For one, they’re easier to see now >.>

  388. CirnoTheStrongest
    CirnoTheStrongest
    March 29, 2016 at 8:48 am

    Are you forgetting Bravely Default and Second?

  389. Sabin Figaro
    Sabin Figaro
    March 29, 2016 at 8:49 am

    You realise that was before the Moral Police started their rampage? Plans change, this will change.

  390. Luka
    Luka
    March 29, 2016 at 8:49 am

    this game doesn’t pander to me
    needs more plot

  391. Feniks
    Feniks
    March 29, 2016 at 8:52 am

    It is a slippery slope. I play Japanese games because I like their story telling and art. I want Japan to stay Japanese. There is already enough American videogame trash. JRPGs and VNs is pretty much all I play these days.

  392. Carl619
    Carl619
    March 29, 2016 at 8:52 am

    Only big companies have surrendered, this have been happening douring decades, they want to appeal everyone by not appealing anyone in hopes of a bigger marke like . Our big problem will be when Compile Heart and Marvelous surrender.

  393. Adohleas
    Adohleas
    March 29, 2016 at 8:56 am

    Hate it when companies listen to the minority and piss off the majority.

  394. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 8:58 am

    Don’t blame them, blame the root of the problem. They don’t understand the real picture.

  395. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 9:08 am

    If you don’t buy this game because of this… you are an imbecile.
    Square-Enix are naturally going to be worried by this SJW bullshit, they can’t see the bigger picture so they jump to conclusions. This is expected considering the fact that WE HAVE ALL BEING FEEDLING THE SJW TROLLS AND GIVING THEM MORE ATTENTION AND MORE MONEY!

    Don’t you guys realize that this is what they want? Sarkessian wants the controversey because she makes more money off it. This was never about feminism, this was about money and popularity. You guys have all been played for fools.

    But it’s not the end of the world, panties are bigger? So what? Go look up hentai or something. At the end of the day, by creating our own outrage about this, we are no better than those slimy SJW fucktards. We should all calm down and let this wash over. Buy Star Ocean 5 if you’re interested or just STFU!

  396. CirnoTheStrongest
    CirnoTheStrongest
    March 29, 2016 at 9:10 am

    The important thing is to make your voice heard while buying the game. Find a friend who knows Japanese and can translate your sentiments, sending them in an email to SE Japan. You could even one up that by having them help you with writing a physical letter.

    You should definitely buy it, but if you don’t want more changes, then let them know.

  397. CirnoTheStrongest
    CirnoTheStrongest
    March 29, 2016 at 9:13 am

    It’s actually more like お子様パンツ

  398. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 9:14 am

    You can’t make everyone your audience,that’s impossible because we are different with different tastes.
    This is a simple fact everyone should grasp.

  399. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 9:14 am

    If the gameplay sucks, the visuals are terrible (lol no) and the music is downright abyssmal, then I will consider sending a letter of outrage. As for bigger panties… I don’t really care at all tbh lol, I just want to play a solid RPG.

  400. CirnoTheStrongest
    CirnoTheStrongest
    March 29, 2016 at 9:15 am

    I get that, but I was saying that people who don’t like the change should actually still buy the game. I can tell you don’t care.

  401. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 9:21 am

    That is exactly my point. Don’t let SJW’s interfere in game sales. I swear if Star Ocean 5 fails because of this… I will quit playing JRPG’s.

    People are making the SJW’s more deadlier by choosing to boycott Star Ocean 5. THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO SO THEY CAN KILL THE JRPG GENRE!!!

  402. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 9:24 am

    That’s not what he meant and you fucking know it. Nice bait there, troll

  403. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 9:24 am

    The question is when is it bad enough for you?
    Do you want to wait till it reaches NOA levels of “localization”?

  404. Asuka
    Asuka
    March 29, 2016 at 9:28 am

    As much as I hate censorship in order to pander to Western SJW scum who don’t even play video games or watch anime, I also realize that contemporary video games and anime use WAY more fan service than they did in previous gens.

    The level of fan service these days is honestly cringe inducing. Inb4 “it’s always been like this!” No, it’s never been as rampant as it is now.

    I’m sad that my hobby has been reduced to such a petty feud.

  405. Carl619
    Carl619
    March 29, 2016 at 9:33 am

    DOAX is selling well enough in Play Asia, and other reviews give fairer socores.

    If people against censorship are louder they will no give a fuck to politic reviewers, like Marvelous or Compile Heart who are doing the same.

  406. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    March 29, 2016 at 9:36 am

    you have a point. I’ve been watching Anime since the late 80s/early90s, and I can say the fan service is definitely increased. in comparison, show like Sailor Moon did have Fan Service, but in comparison to other shows like Highschool DXD….

    Though I’m not harping on DXD. I like it. But I’d be blind if I didnt see the differences in Fan Service then and now. I cant think of any anime(That wasnt an OVA) from the 80s/early90s that had as much Fanservices as DXD

    tbh, the panties, if I didnt know about any change, I wouldnt mind. There’s been Localization changes like this since as long as Japanese Games have been a thing. Poison was a girl, then a new half, then wasnt even in the snes version, etc etc etc. I care more about the experience and the plot and dialogue. But if we get a script that is filled with Memes again I swear to Christ…

  407. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    March 29, 2016 at 9:38 am

    I’m joining the club of the imbeciles then.

  408. Carl619
    Carl619
    March 29, 2016 at 9:41 am

    They already blamed Western about this. That it is the real reason, western backslash.

  409. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 9:42 am

    When the gameplay is affected and when the visuals deteriorate because of it, when the story ends up being a clusterfuck and also when the music sounds like shit. Then I will gave a crap.

    I don’t like SJW’s but not because of censorship, moreso because they support a moneygrubbing attention whore and a rapist. What I also don’t like is the attention these SJW’s and feminazi’s are getting. It’s because people are talking about it that there are problems. If the SJW’s get what they want then so be it as long as it doesn’t kill the industry.

    I’m a big boy and I can handle change so long as it doesn’t change videogames for the worse which it won’t.

    People seem to forget that their outrage against censorship has made Sarkessian invincible. If we just kept quiet about it, she would have become irrelevant by now.

  410. Carl619
    Carl619
    March 29, 2016 at 9:46 am

    I seriously doubt that cesnorship and shit translation were the reasons of FE fates when it was coming from a previous game that many people liked. It could sell the same if they didn’t censor the game.

  411. Robot Maid
    Robot Maid
    March 29, 2016 at 9:47 am

    I’m not sure about Joe or Bob, but Jim has clearly said that some games wouldn’t be a loss if they were “taken away”. Less choices for the consumer is always a bad thing, so I don’t know how to remotely defend that.

  412. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 10:03 am

    Do you really think this was because of CERO? Think with me a little, we are talking about the CERO that gave a D to Monpiece. They censored this out of pure baseless fear, and what’s at stake here is the problem not what was removed or altered, if they bend down on something so insignificant, if they restrain the creators’ of the game over something so litte, who knows what they will cut out in the future in order no to “offend the West”

  413. Chocolate ISISCream
    Chocolate ISISCream
    March 29, 2016 at 10:10 am

    >Recently, there’s been a lot of flak from overseas countries saying that if you put teens in ‘sexual’ underwear it’s not good,” said Kobayashi. “So we increased the amount of clothing.”

    DAILY REMINDER THAT SHE’S 18.

  414. Anon630
    Anon630
    March 29, 2016 at 10:14 am

    Welp, not buying this anymore.

  415. Anon630
    Anon630
    March 29, 2016 at 10:17 am

    “What are you guys even talking about? There’s no such thing as social justice. You’re just paranoid!”

  416. goigoi
    goigoi
    March 29, 2016 at 10:23 am

    just because its been going on before now doesn’t make it ok. past, present or future, censorship is wrong.

    So we should just give up and let the sensitive pussy crowd get what they want just because Miki’s panties are a minor issue and don’t matter to you or any of the self proclaimed “morally superior” folk? Don’t come begging me to sign a petition when a decade later mortal kombat and grand theft auto are on the chopping block again but with the backing of congress.

  417. Michael Richardson
    Michael Richardson
    March 29, 2016 at 10:24 am

    The human body is filth, huh?

  418. No one important
    No one important
    March 29, 2016 at 10:27 am

    They try to make changes for the market that they are importing the game to. It makes sense. The “flak” he talks about in oversea countries is real.

  419. Renaldi Saputra
    Renaldi Saputra
    March 29, 2016 at 10:28 am

    and Bamco too, it seems
    heck, Cyber Sleuth wasn’t even censored
    maybe bcos it doesn’t have child

  420. Bumbayker
    Bumbayker
    March 29, 2016 at 10:28 am

    Actually both Japanese and Western versions have this change. Miki has been seen with that new underwear from their last livestream video.

  421. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 10:34 am

    True i forgot about them.Bamco are doing a great job and contrary to SE supporting the Vita in the West.

  422. landlock
    landlock
    March 29, 2016 at 10:35 am

    I think there are to many virgins on Nichegamer who spend to much time. Flipping the camera around to look up the skirts of female characters.

  423. Renaldi Saputra
    Renaldi Saputra
    March 29, 2016 at 10:42 am

    I guess this is just getting worse, bcos Japanese version is also affected by this changes.

    Why the hell??!!

    don’t worry Japanese ppl there, you can go and blame the western territory for the changes that affected the original ver, and you can support for the localization removal for further titles so it won’t be affected.

    Better you guys localize it into R3 Asian english only and not R1 or R2 Europe, Square…

  424. NukeA6
    NukeA6
    March 29, 2016 at 10:49 am

    It’s shit like this that makes me play games like Aquaria with a nude patch.

  425. Alistair
    Alistair
    March 29, 2016 at 10:56 am

    I found it ironic that some people come here pushing they agenda saying really you going to boycott this game because of a small change.

    If a Dev wants to make a Ecchi game would the same people let them go ahead with-out edits?

  426. Hiecchi
    Hiecchi
    March 29, 2016 at 10:56 am

    So….the censor is only in the western version or in the orginal too?

  427. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 29, 2016 at 10:57 am

    Heh didn’t realize that adovcating for an artist’s right to free expression for the benefit of everyone was considered counter culture. Says a lot more about you than it does me.

  428. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 29, 2016 at 10:57 am

    Both, but that’s because of the supposed “western audience” and how they can’t be arsed to censor for our version when they localize.

  429. Eric Harris
    Eric Harris
    March 29, 2016 at 10:58 am

    18 is not a child BTW.

  430. Bumbayker
    Bumbayker
    March 29, 2016 at 11:00 am

    Both. Her new undies have been seen in the last livestream video where Fidel’s Japanese VA was playing almost a month ago.

  431. Alistair
    Alistair
    March 29, 2016 at 11:00 am

    It not even human only a fictional character lol ?

  432. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 11:01 am

    Guess you’re not a true fan of JRPG’s then, I on the other hand after hearing this announcement http://www.siliconera.com/2016/03/29/star-ocean-5-producer-already-plans-written-valkyrie-profile-3/ am prepared to support Star Ocean 5 whatever the costs. Keep playing your Neptunia trash whilst we play real JRPG’s that don’t try to be dumb parody’s of the console wars and cover it in ecchiness to cover up the fact that it’s a lazy mess.

    I mean, I understand why people play those games, because they’re desperate for more JRPG’s in what has been a decline in JRPG’s but if compile hearts is the future then JRPG’s are dead hahahaha.

    (No offense to people who like those games, that is fine. The JRPG sector of the industry has been so poor recently that games like Neptunia are the best we got at that time and as such it’s understandable that they have a following and that people actually like them simply because they’re decent and I don’t think that they are completely shit, just sub-par. However if you boycott true quality games then please do take offense to my statement.)

    #BRINGBACKQUALITYJRPG’S

  433. Snea Zel
    Snea Zel
    March 29, 2016 at 11:02 am

    Yes. Changes made solely due to cultural differences is called watering down content. Especially when gamers want the original game unchanged.(other than translations of course) Censorship=watered down product

  434. Bumbayker
    Bumbayker
    March 29, 2016 at 11:02 am

    Precisely. The change isn’t that drastic and just not as revealing as it was previously. Its not even NoA level of censorship where they completely alter or edit content out.

  435. Renaldi Saputra
    Renaldi Saputra
    March 29, 2016 at 11:07 am

    yeah man, they even give more games into R3 Asia English

  436. Yuki Darake
    Yuki Darake
    March 29, 2016 at 11:09 am

    i agree with josh on that. and maybe rating games should be token more into it. example blood, language,”sexual themes, alcohol, violence, let me point out it says “sexual theme” meaning all out both race if had to lol whats the bad in this. not as bad as gta5 or any other rated m game so why people complaining so much lol rateing m is for 17+ and rated t is for teens which is maybe around 14-17 idk. if we dot use the rating of game but by what some girl or guy wears in the game why are we rating these things in the first place?? if its the age why not make then of and age thats legal to see these girls in 17 years old in a 2 peace whats wrong with that u can see that irl lol these are games and no harm is done in these fake made up girls or guys. so what u see panties/underwear at least ur not seeing her .%$^ lol

  437. worldreader
    worldreader
    March 29, 2016 at 11:10 am

    Seems strange the only slightly altered the panty model instead of putting a pair of tights on her instead…

    Seems like a case of “cutting off your fingers to feed the lion” sort of deal. They hope in slightly altering one aspect that they’ll appease the crazy SJWs over here.

    Reading the comments, and article again, I’m somewhat confused is Fiore getting hit with the Censorstick too?

  438. Yuki Darake
    Yuki Darake
    March 29, 2016 at 11:11 am

    what i read its most likly that they will make it less showing panties lol but maybe so

  439. Ophel
    Ophel
    March 29, 2016 at 11:15 am

    When are the japanese devs going to understand that the gaming journos of the major sites don’t represent us western gamers and to stop listening to them?

  440. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    March 29, 2016 at 11:16 am

    You are aware that I can still play the game without supporting SE, right?

  441. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 11:19 am

    You already know about how Fiore already got her design changed because of CERO, right? That alone throws the “artist’s right to free expression” out of the window.

    And as far as I know, it was a suggestion not a threat, not anything but a mere suggestion about the panties. They complied, just like they did for CERO. All in all, the panties weren’t even removed from existence.

    But yeah, when you call out to companies to not listen to people who don’t buy their games while yelling how they’re not going to buy the games either it kind of defeats the point of yelling about it in the first place. And that’s happening a lot in here.

  442. alterku
    alterku
    March 29, 2016 at 11:22 am

    Welp. Guess that means another game I’ll never play unless it comes out on PC and mods fix it.

  443. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 11:22 am

    This particular panty change is not by CERO, but CERO did cause them to change Fiore’s design.

    We can make up tons of worst case scenarios, won’t make them any truer though.

  444. Carl619
    Carl619
    March 29, 2016 at 11:23 am

    DXD is an ecchi anime, tits to DXD is like fights in actions anime like Saint Seiya.

  445. Zanard Bell
    Zanard Bell
    March 29, 2016 at 11:23 am

    I’m not sure what’s more insulting now: the fact that Japanese devs think this is how Westerners react now to sexualization, or that Westerners are really that deluded when it comes to sexuality.

  446. Evropi
    Evropi
    March 29, 2016 at 11:23 am

    With regards to Bamco, Tekken’s Harada seriously threatened to leave out a character (Lucky Chloe) altogether from Western releases of Tekken 7 just to piss off NeoGAF members who wanted more manly men or whatever. That’s taking it a bit far IMO.

  447. darkgamer001
    darkgamer001
    March 29, 2016 at 11:24 am

    self-censorship is still censorship
    Now if you’re done with this banal semantics argument…

  448. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 11:24 am

    Last fall?

    When did this figurative Moral Police start their “rampage”?
    Because I can remember far worse censorship than making bigger panties from before last fall.

  449. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 11:24 am

    You mean games which have Nintendo localising them and not SE?

  450. DDD-kun
    DDD-kun
    March 29, 2016 at 11:27 am

    You wanted to play videogames.
    You wanted to save western gaming culture.

    Do you see, now? You cannot do both.

  451. ex_mp4
    ex_mp4
    March 29, 2016 at 11:29 am

    yup, and they said only nintendo who censoring games

  452. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 11:29 am

    So let them dream about those things that won’t happen. Let them write their shitty agenda driven reviews. They’re just preaching to the choir.

    Pantyshots like this aren’t “deliberate” in the sense that they are not the for the show, Fiore is a character with a risqué design (which, again, got ‘censored’ ages ago by the will of SJW boogeymen @ CERO)

  453. Yuki Darake
    Yuki Darake
    March 29, 2016 at 11:33 am

    idk why se so worry about this bc ffxiv has boob slider and swimwear and everything.. heck u can even buy an item called emper’s something and make her run around in her white bra etc

  454. Carl619
    Carl619
    March 29, 2016 at 11:34 am

    First, people who won’t buy this game because censorship, or other games, are perfectly justified. I can say that if you buy censored games, the message to developers would be that censoring their games it’s fine because they won’t have problems.

    Second, you forget companies like Falcom, Namco,Atlus and localizers like Xseed. Neptunia has reviews of 7.5 and steam has over 85% of positive votes, over 4.5 stars in gog, one of the votes is mine. That you don’t like it doen’t mean that it is trash, it is a good game.

    Third, another big jrpg actually is Legend of Heroes that has more quality that Star Ocean and it is incursion to PC, one reason less to buy ps4. I prefer to buy trails of cold steel in vita and then in PC that get a ps4 to play Star Ocean.

  455. Bumbayker
    Bumbayker
    March 29, 2016 at 11:36 am

    Fiore isn’t getting censored because her outfit is Akiman’s design and part of her character. Miki’s underwear however isn’t which is why tri-Ace chose to change it. Heck I don’t see how anyone considers it as actual censorship.

  456. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 11:41 am

    This screenshot is proof to the contrary.

  457. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 11:44 am

    It’s not an actual child. Isn’t she also a legal adult?
    Anyway, pixels have rights too!

  458. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 11:46 am

    Who knows what else they’re going to change in house unannounced? I know I know, slippery slope fallacy. After what Capcom did to R Mika, I fear the self censorship will only get worse.

  459. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 11:50 am

    By self-censoring in house they’re showing how pitiful they are. I don’t want to buy a game from a company that lost its balls and is changing their product based on overseas complaints. From people that may or may not even fucking PLAY GAMES.

  460. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 11:53 am

    Aquaria has a nude patch?

  461. AnimeRPGfan
    AnimeRPGfan
    March 29, 2016 at 11:53 am

    I’m not getting this if it’s censored, hell I wouldn’t get it even if it wasn’t censored, I hated all past Star Ocean games I played anyway

  462. NC
    NC
    March 29, 2016 at 11:58 am

    So all the JRPG players I know who approve of this sort of thing don’t exist, right?

  463. NC
    NC
    March 29, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    You sound like a tool.

  464. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    There is a much bigger picture in mind. Oh and legend of heroes? I played Trails In The Sky… I didn’t like it, not enough action, characters are goody two shoes, nah not my thing personally. Decent enough though.

  465. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    I’m loving that trend.Just got Gundam Xtreme VS Force and Digimon physical in english for the Vita and Gundam Breaker 3 is preordered and God Eater 1+2 is also coming.Also i would never have dreamt i would one day play the Super Robot Wars series in english,Bamco rocks.

  466. kalil6
    kalil6
    March 29, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    we tried to warn them
    we said if the censorship woudnt sto here could reach japan and unfortunally we were right

  467. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    That’s not the point. The point IS to support otherwise we won’t see them make Valkyrie Profile 3. tri-Ace need to prove to Square-Enix that they can attract a wide audience so that Square-Enix can trust them to bring out Valkyrie Profile 3. tri-Ace have nothing to do with this censorship, don’t just boycott them just because you don’t like Square-Enix, I don’t like Square-Enix that much but tri-Ace deserve better.

  468. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    Would love to see Japanese gamers reaction at Angry Joe’s;”Nobody is trying to take away your games.”

  469. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    March 29, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    To be brutally honest, I don’t care about Valkyrie Profile.

  470. NukeA6
    NukeA6
    March 29, 2016 at 12:09 pm

    Well actually it’s a nude mod

  471. thatguyEZ
    thatguyEZ
    March 29, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    Joe actually admitted that he was wrong?

  472. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    CERO had no hand in this, they are simply using a rater as an excuse, CERO can’t force a change or anything, they simply say what do you have to do to get a certain rating, it doesn’t mean you are forced to change, if that was the case 99% of japanese games would be modified. They simply changed it, they needed a scapegoat and since we aren’t japanese we can’t back talk if you pin it on a japanese rater because we don’t live there. CERO took the fall on this case but this was a total arbitrary decision of SE so don’t blame CERO for this

  473. Feniks
    Feniks
    March 29, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    #notallforeigners

    There hasn’t been a controversy over any game here since Manhunt.

  474. Pilebunker
    Pilebunker
    March 29, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    This seems to me like SE is using the same censorship tactics Capcom used for Street Fighter V. Censor a minor aspect of the game to build controversy. Let customers tear each other apart where one side is adamant against censorship of any kind while the other side is indifferent because what was censored is minor on the grand scheme of things. Meanwhile a small group of people boycott the game while another buys the game just to “spite SJWs”.

    Either way, the game is constantly discussed by many. Which sparks interest for many potential customers. So you’re freely advertising the game for SE without them spending a dime. You’re playing right into their hands by constantly discussing this issue. On the other hand, by ignoring it, you’re showing that it’s OK for them to censor games because people will buy it anyway. We all know it’s bullshit when you have a ecchi fanservice mage in a very attention grabbing, revealing checkered skin tight suit. Every Star Ocean has had a character like this yet it’s suddenly bad when the west was even harder on censorship when it is now?

    TL:DR – SE is playing us like sheep, and they know it’s working.

  475. NC
    NC
    March 29, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    “They’re not thing, they’re random other unrelated thing I don’t like!”

  476. Smug
    Smug
    March 29, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    >that’s perfectly acceptable position
    >except I cant understand shit why supporting a censored game will result in the future
    jesus christ you retarded monkey

  477. No one important
    No one important
    March 29, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    Too bad for japanese buyers then, having western tastes shoved down their throats.

  478. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    Again, it’s because of CERO that FIORE had her design changed so yes, CERO does play a hand in it even if it’s about rating changes.

    This panty change on the other hand has nothing to do with CERO like I already said.

  479. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    Let’s just agree that in the end, SE is at blame here from being afraid of possible shit that could be caused for something as insignificant as panties, because tbh the more I read about this the more of a joke it seems, a really stupid joke from SE

  480. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    March 29, 2016 at 12:54 pm

    At the end of the day this change is meaningless when it comes to the game itself and the lost sales over this will be very few.

  481. Bumbayker
    Bumbayker
    March 29, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    I wouldn’t exactly say western tastes in general. Just your typical politically correct SJWs and feminists.

  482. Greg
    Greg
    March 29, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    All these sweet weeb tears…

  483. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    >Humanity is doomed because some horny guys want to look at panties
    Horny men brought scientists, engineers, chemists, musicians, construction, workers female presidents and multitudes of important individuals into the world you take for granted every fucking day. You wouldn’t have the right to bitch about non fucking issues unless some guys blew their fucking loads into the women that produced the men that not only introduced, but protect your right to freedom of speech.

    Some man being attracted to a woman culminated in the disappointment that is you being squeezed out of a vagina. The entire fucking world hinges on people reproducing (penises and vaginas ICK!) and you think humanity is fucking doomed when some guys want to look at a pair of pixelated underwear?

    I fucking fear for the children in your life being educated by someone as fucking backwards and retarded as you.

  484. Leandro Teixeira
    Leandro Teixeira
    March 29, 2016 at 1:05 pm

    That is something that we will have to wait and see, you see, in a niche community the slightest hint of censorship is enough to make the players boycot. But alas this is something that only time will tell. Personally I don’t like the direction SE is taking so I would like them to take a fall, but deep down I do hope this doesn’t become a trend in Japan, that is the last thing I need

  485. Renaldi Saputra
    Renaldi Saputra
    March 29, 2016 at 1:11 pm

    in US only I guess, not in EU

  486. Renaldi Saputra
    Renaldi Saputra
    March 29, 2016 at 1:11 pm

    also SD Gundam

  487. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    The people that need to grow up are the ones that can’t handle content they disagree with existing. Such as yourself.

  488. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    Whether anyone looked forward to it or not is beside the points. SE is openly fucking admitting that they self censored because of “opinions” from people outside their own fucking country of origin. These opinions may or may not be from people that don’t even fucking play games.

    That is the problem.
    Changing something so you don’t risk offense.

  489. Nina Bradford
    Nina Bradford
    March 29, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    Why the hell are they even humoring these psychos?

  490. Brandon Wolfley
    Brandon Wolfley
    March 29, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    Did he? I never saw anything, but if so, good. I do really like Angry Joe. I was more referring to the fact that Jim and Bob not only didn’t admit they were wrong, but actually doubled down on at that point provably false claims.

  491. Zeroroute
    Zeroroute
    March 29, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    Have they not seen or played of games like The Witcher 3? Full body nudity and sex? Game of the Year awards everywhere

  492. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    The push against Japanese games is getting out of fucking hand.

  493. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    Oh right forgot that,so much Gundam goodness,as a Gundam fan i’m in heaven.

  494. Smug
    Smug
    March 29, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    Destroy social media
    Problem solved

  495. Alex Drake
    Alex Drake
    March 29, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    You’re clearly a fucking moron if you think that’s what’s going on

  496. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    He’s baiting, ignore him.

  497. Yuki Darake
    Yuki Darake
    March 29, 2016 at 1:26 pm

    or god of war lol

  498. NC
    NC
    March 29, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    Okay but what do panties have to do with Red Scares?

  499. Fear Me I Am Free
    Fear Me I Am Free
    March 29, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    Child? She’s 18 years old. Come back when you know anything about this game or what’s going on in the industry. SJWs are pushing an atmosphere of what is and isn’t acceptable in this industry.

  500. thatguyEZ
    thatguyEZ
    March 29, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    I’m not sure, I was asking you if he did lol. I do like some his content, but other times I find him to be insufferable. While its sometimes hard, I try to keep YouTube content creator’s politics separate from their content unless they shove it in my face. Cryaotic is a good example of this. While I’m not sure how seriously he takes it, he does seem to have drunk a bit of the SJW kool-aid. But I really enjoy his videos and he very rarely ever mentions those kinds of things.

    But yeah, I’m not sure if Joe admitted he may have been mistaken, but I’d like to see him do it.

  501. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    Both fat people and trans people are better represented in Japanese games. Do some research.

  502. Rel
    Rel
    March 29, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    This is by far the worst injustice yet. Why won’t these arrogant Low-self esteem bastards quit? We need someone or something to counteract and FIGHT these “SJWs/Feminists(not even feminists more like femnazis)” to their front doors! It’s bullshit like this that is making gamers suffer for their feels just because they would rather troll us for their entertainment. Its about high time someone told them we have had enough of their shit and they have to stop NOW.

  503. NC
    NC
    March 29, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    They exist, but trying to make this about communism is pretty McCarthy of you.

  504. Greg
    Greg
    March 29, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    No, it definitely grown men whining they don’t get to see a digital teenager’s camel toe. In all seriousness, if the Japanese collectively showing some restraint is whats coming out of all this foul “censorship” lead by sturmfurher Sarkessian and Oberstcommandant Quinn then I don’t really see a problem.

  505. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    March 29, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    Even returning to quality after years of terribleness?

  506. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    Imagine being so ashamed of sex, the human body and yourself that you lash out at imaginary people.

  507. inquisitormcsagington
    inquisitormcsagington
    March 29, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    And some here said the Japanese games industry would be fine.
    No longer. Now’s the time to start digging in and getting dirty. They do want to destroy what you love on all consoles and from all countries.

  508. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    March 29, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    I’m not saying it is a big deal in itself. It’s just that these changes based of blunt ideology of ‘westerners can’t deal’ is just a tired notion that has never been true to begin with.
    Also, censorship in the past was hideous and just because there is precedent, it doesn’t mean I need to be happy with it. Even worse are fans who actually like the eroticism and they get painted as villains for it. There’s just so many angles I disagree with.
    Again, it’s not enough to deter one from buying and enjoying a game. But sometimes it spills over into much more serious censorship like how entire plotpoints are erased and altered. Bravely Default and Fire Emblem are butcher jobs for example. And I will not support them.

  509. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    March 29, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    I try to ween off of it.

  510. Greg
    Greg
    March 29, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    I swear I’m being serious.

  511. Smug
    Smug
    March 29, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    You’re funny fuccboi

  512. Brandon Wolfley
    Brandon Wolfley
    March 29, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    Oh, there’s a question mark there. Oops. Not that I’ve ever seen or heard of, no, though he did touch a bit on how annoyed he was with the SFV debacle

  513. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    March 29, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    Meanwhile in Until Dawn, you can see teenage characters that actually resemble humans engage in sexual activities, strip down to their underwear, get decaptated and die in various other gruesome methods.

    How you feel about that?

  514. Syake
    Syake
    March 29, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    The reason they do this is exactly that. People who are interested in the game will buy it anyways.

    They could remove the character altogether and it wouldn’t make a difference in sales.

  515. Greg
    Greg
    March 29, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    Eh, It fits the slasher movie vibe the game goes for. I don’t have a problem with cleavage or cam-toe if that part of the games overall theme or aesthetic, I just wish the Japanese wouldn’t give diving cleavage lines and D breasts to every female character in every game. T&A isn’t a focal point of this 60 hour RPG and nothing of value was loss now that there is slightly less of it.

  516. Urobolus
    Urobolus
    March 29, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    WAKE ME UP INSIDE

  517. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    CANT

  518. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    Just when I thought, SE couldn’t be anymore pathetic.

  519. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    The moment you called people who disagree as weeabs warrants your opinion to the trash.

  520. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    You hated SO2? Now that’s a bit too much.

  521. Greg
    Greg
    March 29, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    I was being sarcastic.

  522. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    March 29, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    I wasn’t expecting a reasonable response based on your opening comment so kudos. I agree with most of what you said minus the breast size thing – I don’t think I could care enough to wish a character had smaller or larger breasts.

    The part that bothers me about this whole thing is that the devs threw the West as a whole under the bus for their decision. When at the end of the day, they decided themselves.

  523. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    And I’m the Pirate King. Gimme One Piece!

    If you really wanted to be, you could’ve used /sarcasm lest you intentionally wanted to be a dick.

  524. Greg
    Greg
    March 29, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    I personally hit my “boob wall” when I saw Devil Survivors flesh shelves. It was too much boob man, too much boob…

  525. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    March 29, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    Only problem I have with them is their horrible translations and meme abuse.

  526. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    537 Comments, allow me to quote Napoleon:

    “A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.

  527. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    Here, this will come in very handle for anyone who uses a neptunia avatar.

  528. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    Well your avatar is proof that you enjoy trash.

  529. Darkling
    Darkling
    March 29, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    Another game on the no buy list then

  530. bob
    bob
    March 29, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    @$$holes(squeenix)

  531. AnimeRPGfan
    AnimeRPGfan
    March 29, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    I never played 2
    Just SO1 PSP and SO3 on PS2

  532. tccboss
    tccboss
    March 29, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    I want to talk to these Japanese devs and tell them personally that this is a non issue.

  533. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    March 29, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    It’s not “trying”, it actually is what it is, an influx of Cultural Marxist ideology.

    As for McCarthy, don’t you think there was a legitimate reason behind those times?
    Don’t believe the Marxist liberal hype:
    http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/joe-mccarthy-was-right/

    “Evans said the biggest piece of disinformation was that these cases had been cleared by congressional hearings. This was false. The chairman of one committee said the information showed “a large number of communists
    on the rolls of the State Department.” He added, “It makes me wonder if there is any representation of the United States in the State
    Department.”

  534. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    There’s a line I prefer not to cross and that kinda crosses it.

  535. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    Because of SJW’s not “US”

  536. raymk
    raymk
    March 29, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    I guess this is the start of japan making less sexualized games sadly, This also means that this game is gonna sell very well too. Those amazon reviews are gonna eat this game alive like tales of zesteria, but even that crap still sold well that’s why I once said boycotting doesn’t work cause the majority of people that buy games don’t go to forums or message boards.

  537. raymk
    raymk
    March 29, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    That’s partly true, but they do buy gamestoo. Don’t believe me? Go to destructoid and neogaf. SJW buy games, they just have a habit of sapping the fun out of the games to fit their needs.

  538. BladeRunner
    BladeRunner
    March 29, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    Oh great, now it looks like she has a diaper on. Instead of appeasing the people who were never going to purchase the game to begin with, you’re going to bring in the diaper fetishists. Just like NISA putting pink mist on the CGs in Criminal Girls and making the girls seem like they’re nude. Damn companies can’t even censor their games correctly. Their wet dreams are probably censored too.

  539. 2501
    2501
    March 29, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    Did l time travel back in the ’90s?

  540. inquisitormcsagington
    inquisitormcsagington
    March 29, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    Ye and verily good sirrah-’tis the eyar of our Lord 1290!
    Come there are heathens to kill and lepers to smite!

  541. Alcatraz
    Alcatraz
    March 29, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    It’s a lose-lose. But let’s face it, you might as well appeal to the people that actually are interested in playing your game right?

  542. inquisitormcsagington
    inquisitormcsagington
    March 29, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    One query-why would we buy another Star Ocean anyway? I’m not for the censorship and I think it’s stupid but hasn’t Star Ocean sucked massive dong since 3?

  543. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    If for some miracle the game were good, some people still won’t want it because of this.

  544. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 29, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Hence why i put us in quotation marks,we know who the responsibles are but Japanese gamers don’t,they are angry at all the Westerners.

  545. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    The SJWs are the ones giving DOAX3 a 1.5. They’re also the ones running most gaming websites. Go read some articles from the popular game news sites.

  546. MasterSoup
    MasterSoup
    March 29, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    The last thing I’m worried about while playing Star Ocean is panties.

  547. ScarredBushido
    ScarredBushido
    March 29, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    Seriously there must be away we ALL can let Tri-ace know…i hate to think that all we can do is complain on Disqus lol i think we should do what the fans of DOA did when te developers said they wanted to get rid of service

  548. Horus
    Horus
    March 29, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    the internet has made you mentally ill.

  549. Horus
    Horus
    March 29, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    i will join you when the anime panty revolution breaks out

  550. Horus
    Horus
    March 29, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    it is 20 pixels of fabric you absolute lunatic

  551. dusknight
    dusknight
    March 29, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    The flak isn’t coming from oversea gamers, it’s coming from a vocal minority who do not speak for your target audience, and media outlets that thrive on controversy and enjoy stirring the pot. I don’t know what I should be more concerned with, the fact that companies bend a knee to these extremists who aren’t even interested in playing their games, or that Japan’s developers actually believe most western gamers cannot handle sexual content. I think a 15+ age rating equivalent might help with some of these issues, but then again…

    …Also, those really do look like diapers.

  552. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    March 29, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    Three times over I lead you to evidence and articles on Marxism in the United States and you call me mentally ill.

    Let’s have that clear, here.

  553. Renaldi Saputra
    Renaldi Saputra
    March 29, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    meme abuse is cool actually as one of the character in cyber sleuth is indeed a meme guy in japanese, it’s only a localization work

  554. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    Do it. It will improve your opinion of the series.

  555. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 29, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    You almost had a post in which you didn’t act like subhuman garbage and conveyed your point like a human being. Back to normal I guess!

  556. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 29, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    Sure, they’re pitiful. I agree. How is this TAKING A GAME AWAY?

  557. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 29, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    The original game is unchanged. It’s not even released yet. Changes happen during development constantly. Is each one of them “censorship”?

  558. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Beams of light and censor bars during nightly emissions.

  559. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    For all its faults, I still love the series because it’s SE’s only consistently SF RPG franchise. At least until Phantasy Star goes offline again.

  560. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    And? I enjoy my life choices just fine tyvm.

  561. Snea Zel
    Snea Zel
    March 29, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    Design choices are design choices. Censorship is censorship. We have undeniable proof this is going against the designers decision as he showed regret about the change and its stated reasoning was to avoid the flak overseas. Thats textbook censorship.. They should have just given her bloomers like many people are recommending and said it was a design choice instead of pointing fingers and fan trust would have been spared.

  562. Ryusei0038
    Ryusei0038
    March 29, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    So foreigners allowed blood, gore, and sex. But when it comes to bikinis and panties, they all lose their minds.

  563. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    Howaitto piggu GO HOME

  564. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 29, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    Then maybe he shouldn’t have made the change if he really didn’t want to.

  565. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    The good ol’ 80/70’s had nude girls gallavanting about nonchalantly and old shit like Daikon IV had a bunnygirl in compromising situations.

    Fanservice in JP pop culture go together like PB&J.

  566. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    >Complaining about goody two shoes in a JRPG.

    I guess all you ever play is SMT then.

  567. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    You really have an axe to grind with Nepnep do you?

  568. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    The damage has been done. The only way we can solve this is to be the louder and stronger voice.

  569. tccboss
    tccboss
    March 29, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    You’ve inspired me and I really want to do this but don’t know where to start.

  570. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    Exactly. It’s all about the “image” with these big companies.

  571. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    It’s not taking the game away, but it’s making it worse.

  572. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 29, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    It’s dubious that this change made the game worse in any way.

  573. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    What does that have to do with not listening to SJW overlords and their minions?

  574. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    18 is not underage.

  575. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    He’s like a battered housewife. He can’t help but get a beatdown from people who hates his shit opinions.

  576. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    Artistic expression is now debt? Hahahaha, I fear for this generation.

  577. Mats Leven
    Mats Leven
    March 29, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    fuck western SJWs

  578. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    And? Who are you to fucking judge, oh morally superior one?

  579. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    Takes one to know one.

  580. AnimeRPGfan
    AnimeRPGfan
    March 29, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    I don’t have a PSP anymore and I am a bit bitter towards Square Enix for ignoring the SaGa series in the west so I’m not giving them any of my money

  581. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    Fair enough. My feelings about Saga beyond Romancing Saga is mutual to yours about SO.

  582. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    No, that just appeals to edgelords. Good protags don’t act like try hard punks.

  583. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    NISA was collecting their debt with all the insults and trash talk. They released games that bricked consoles, refused to fix shit, forced memes into localizations and were absolute assholes to their customers. NISA needs to fucking burn.

  584. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    It makes respect of the developer tank to nothing. This isn’t about the fucking panties, but the reasoning for it. Take your censorship happy attitude and shove it up your ass.

  585. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    No, that just panders to edgelord 15 year olds. Good protags don’t act like wannabe punks.

  586. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 29, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    Which ones?

  587. The Magnificent Steiner
    The Magnificent Steiner
    March 29, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    It’s also taking the game away from anyone who won’t support censorship. I certainly won’t buy any games that panders to Social Justice morons. I understand your point about how it’s a trifling detail so who cares if they remove it? Well, why remove it at all then if it’s so insignificant? They’re only hurting themselves.

  588. Kirigirim
    Kirigirim
    March 29, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    I literally can’t see the difference.

  589. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 29, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    What worked for the Western complainers is being in positions in gaming media.

  590. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 29, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    It’s called games.

  591. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 29, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    We had a shitty reputation decades ago.

  592. AnimeRPGfan
    AnimeRPGfan
    March 29, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    I never played any of the Romancing SaGa trilogy because none of the three games made it to NA
    SaGa or Final Fantasy Legend 123 and both SaGa Frontier games are the ones I played

    When I say Romancing SaGa I mean the Super Famicom ones not the PS2 remake

  593. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    Let’s just say that like the Front Mission series, the West got the raw end of the deal with SaGa.

  594. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 29, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    Which is a problem.

  595. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 29, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    Some people have principles. I honestly don’t like things like this, and the game has dropped in my estimation because I don’t like people pandering to groups that aren’t even their consumers.

  596. Panpopo
    Panpopo
    March 29, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    Seems like quite the revelation literally days before the game comes out in Japan. If it’s because of fear of not passing CERO guidelines, as RyanoftheStars stated below, that is quite telling in itself, and is quite chilling.

    Regardless, it seems that they are relying on the western release more than the Japanese as another motivating factor. Perhaps they are relying on western sales to turn a profit, as most of Japan is now into mobile gaming. I highly doubt this act will sway the journalists towards giving a good review, but we shall see. I am going to “wait and see” about the rest of the game myself.

  597. AnimeRPGfan
    AnimeRPGfan
    March 29, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    Yup FM3 was awesome

  598. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 29, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    “It’s not a big deal guys, it’s just some underpants!”
    I’m bypassing this game because the developer caved to western pressure from a whiny vocal minority. I’m not giving money to cowards.

  599. Guin
    Guin
    March 29, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    FM3 is a good game, but the ones that never officially left Japan like FM2 and FM5 blow it outta the water.

  600. Terry 309
    Terry 309
    March 29, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    It’s called comedy. Ever heard of it?

  601. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    The gaming journalism sutes are the overlords!

  602. Derek
    Derek
    March 29, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    Explain.

  603. Bumbayker
    Bumbayker
    March 29, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    Star Ocean 5 did pass CERO. Kobayashi mentioned in one of their livestream videos that the rating was raised to C due to Fiore’s costume and didn’t violate any guidelines. I’ve read a few comments speculate that the underwear censorship was just a publicity stunt to generate more awareness to the gaming community about the game. There was no known complaints from the West about Miki’s underwear or aware that anyone saw it at all until they made it public. I don’t personally believe it but they’re definitely doing everything they can to promote the game.

  604. Rid Vesalius
    Rid Vesalius
    March 30, 2016 at 12:12 am

    Look! A retarded SJW!

  605. Rid Vesalius
    Rid Vesalius
    March 30, 2016 at 12:19 am

    He(thanatos2k) wouldnt understand. He is a retarded SJW after all.

  606. Rid Vesalius
    Rid Vesalius
    March 30, 2016 at 12:21 am

    Look, another retarded SJW!

  607. Panpopo
    Panpopo
    March 30, 2016 at 12:26 am

    Thanks for the information regarding CERO and the livestream. Yeah, I also personally don’t believe that this was a publicity stunt. It’s probably as simple as they state – fear from the potential of people loudly complaining, damaging the game’s reputation, and ultimately their sales. Unfortunately this still escalated quickly and may have an adverse affect on sales regardless, so we shall see. I highly doubt it though.

  608. Rid Vesalius
    Rid Vesalius
    March 30, 2016 at 12:33 am

    You retarded SJWs are the one that need to grow up.

  609. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    March 30, 2016 at 1:41 am

    In the early days of Gamergate, I went to Japanese news sites and forums to see what they were saying about it. All of them were citing Western mainstream media articles, meaning that their perception of the West is that males are bullying females out of gaming, and treating females like shit in reality because of “sexualization”.

    That’s why they’re making these changes. The Western mainstream media is largely to blame, for making up and continuing to push their bullshit narrative.

  610. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    March 30, 2016 at 1:43 am

    There’s a reason why many Japanese people refer to their mainstream media (masukomi, ie. mass communication) as “masugomi”, ie. mass garbage.

    Most of them are aware that their mainstream media is so full of shit that it cannot be trusted. At all.

    Big contrast to the West, where I literally can’t go anywhere without people insisting that the news on TV is 500% correct and reports everything accurately, from all sides, without bias. Yeah, right.

  611. C G Saturation
    C G Saturation
    March 30, 2016 at 1:44 am

    SJWs consider everyone but themselves to be immature children.

  612. NC
    NC
    March 30, 2016 at 1:48 am

    Historical revisionism at its finest

  613. Dark Lord Ash
    Dark Lord Ash
    March 30, 2016 at 2:12 am

    Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile and kick a few puppies along the way. These clowns should have been told to make like my meat and beat it ages ago.

  614. Richard Miller
    Richard Miller
    March 30, 2016 at 2:31 am

    It’s also Square’s fault for doing this in the first place. That’s why I don’t plan to support Square anymore.

  615. landlock
    landlock
    March 30, 2016 at 2:58 am

    Well good for you, lol.

  616. landlock
    landlock
    March 30, 2016 at 2:59 am

    I’m landlock, can you not read?

  617. Jesus Christ
    Jesus Christ
    March 30, 2016 at 5:23 am

    Granny panties? Hell no. The ultra PC regressives are enjoying limiting artistic freedom.

  618. Jesus Christ
    Jesus Christ
    March 30, 2016 at 5:24 am

    I guess they didn’t buy Depression Quest, but they would pay Saint Anita $10,000 to take a dump in their mouths.

  619. Jesus Christ
    Jesus Christ
    March 30, 2016 at 5:34 am

    The regressives get their panties in a bunch every time there’s any sexuality.

  620. Renaldi Saputra
    Renaldi Saputra
    March 30, 2016 at 5:36 am

    if this was like this, then PSO2 won’t be localized at all without any censorship.
    #bucknakedshotaFTW

  621. Jesus Christ
    Jesus Christ
    March 30, 2016 at 5:38 am

    There’s no reasoning with Saint Anita’s disciples. They’d pay Comrade McIntosh a grand to jizz in their mouths.

  622. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    March 30, 2016 at 7:23 am

    I can say that about every single game in existence, that doesnt make it right to remove it or modify it.

    Many people buy these games because they are the product of a different culture/Idea of a developer, removing it to appease people who dont play the game in detriment of fans is not ok.

    Its exactly like the modified violent games you might see in Germany/Australia.

    Its unnecesary and contributes nothing to marketing.

  623. SiliconNooB
    SiliconNooB
    March 30, 2016 at 8:06 am

    Looks like now our SJWs are a problem for Japanese Otaku too!

  624. AnimeRPGfan
    AnimeRPGfan
    March 30, 2016 at 9:26 am

    Yea SE should do a Front Mission collection for PS4 and XBoxOne

    Still waiting on Adventures of Mana Vita

    And at least SE is bringing over their games

    It’s been over four years and no new news about English PSO2

  625. merph518
    merph518
    March 30, 2016 at 9:38 am

    It’s time to grow up and stop getting your panties in a bunch over such trifles.

    If you want to see a girl’s ass, there’s plenty of porn on the internet.

  626. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    March 30, 2016 at 9:54 am

    Exactly. I still can’t believe people let themselves believe that there was never a Communist threat or that there weren’t actual enemies of the country riddled in offices of state and even lower.

    I mean, imagine if the university kiddies even realized just how familiar these techniques sound:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Tk4zraz-Q

  627. Ebrander
    Ebrander
    March 30, 2016 at 10:42 am

    Not only the industry, it’s currently also destroying Europe with the “Welcome refugees” problem.

  628. Enigma
    Enigma
    March 30, 2016 at 10:52 am

    Yea but its hard to say censorship when the game wasn’t released yet. I remember Tetsuya Nomura made the decision to change Aqua apparel before release because he felt like the design didn’t meld well with her character.(He covered the back)

    Those modified games had a comparison to other countries where you could make that statement but now it they are making changes in the development phase.(this change here probably wouldn’t even been noticed by the players)

    It just irks me when they change it after it’s been released because for all the time you could say it sucked they changed something there are other times when it’s completely legitimate. Character designs go through plenty changes and to say “censorship” when they haven’t even released the game yet is a disservice.

  629. Enigma
    Enigma
    March 30, 2016 at 10:55 am

    I think cause Kyoani made it right? They do mostly moe anime I believe

  630. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 30, 2016 at 10:57 am

    Majority of people aren’t the main fanbase.

  631. Enigma
    Enigma
    March 30, 2016 at 11:01 am

    Japan almost always had pressure from the West idk the exact history but it even affected China culturally and made what was primarily agricultural economies fight to become industrialized( well that was happening all over) but still I’m not sure so I might have to be corrected…

  632. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 30, 2016 at 11:09 am

    What does that have to do with gaming, though, where game makers have always done their own thing in Japan?

  633. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 30, 2016 at 11:09 am

    Literally blind?

  634. Enigma
    Enigma
    March 30, 2016 at 11:17 am

    But is that wrong? I say believe in the artists there are ways to get around things and maybe even design something better. Remember the companies are listening and if a design looks stupid or if it doesn’t work they either change it or defend it.

    Example when a designer changed something for the better was Infamous 2 Cole design that looked like a happy camp counselor. They changed it when they looked at it and was like “Yea that’s stupid”

    Example when they defended their designs is Dragon’s Crown when some people was up in arms about proportions the artist defended his statement and effectively told them to screw off(So did Hideo over Quiet)

    So if an artist change something as long as they do it its their right and censorship or not it’s always their final decision and if the work have merit they will defend it even if it sucks.(Example all of DMC changes in the reboot)

  635. Enigma
    Enigma
    March 30, 2016 at 11:37 am

    Well it’s culture. Culture always affect art from literature to movies.

    A good example is the Dark Knight great movie right but it had stark parallels to the patriot act and the war on terror with Batman being America unchecked and invading people’s privacy to take down one terrorist(the Joker) I brought up a debate where we were entertained and applauded Batman for his efforts.

    And culture is a fickle bitch sometimes because of all the things that goes into affecting it. Japan got an amazing culture with awesome history but because of industrialization and the emergence of a global market things change and mesh. With the meshing of cultures we see some awesome stuff(art example is the fusion of Akira and Simpsons art)

    And not so awesome stuff like in some Japanese onsens you can’t have tattoos but now the Japanese government is saying it’s ok if you’re a foreigner to have tattoos but not if you’re a native.

    It’s all culture wars man but the one that always have first say in culture, is artists (from music to video games to literature) because the most successful art come from a reflection of culture and it’s values.

    Now of course corporate interests can skew art into propaganda or any significant government entity or ideology but it always the individual artists that decides to participate.

    Now this whole thing that’s going on is pretty small but who know what will be the cultural divide next.

    -sorry for the long comment if I confuse you let me know,

  636. Guin
    Guin
    March 30, 2016 at 12:22 pm

    Sorry I don’t feel the need to impress the status quo so I don’t buy that cop out answer.

  637. Guin
    Guin
    March 30, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    If that’s comedy, then it surely has gone to the dogs.

  638. Leonardo Cornejo Bernal
    Leonardo Cornejo Bernal
    March 30, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    We should fight back.

  639. Jonét
    Jonét
    March 30, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    Where is this from?

  640. LaunchShipCaptain
    LaunchShipCaptain
    March 30, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    I hate the SJW media

  641. Linguistic Obsessor
    Linguistic Obsessor
    March 30, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    So true. There’s a bigger picture to all of this that is very disturbing.

  642. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    March 30, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    An anime called Maoyuu apparently.

  643. Linguistic Obsessor
    Linguistic Obsessor
    March 30, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    Not true. And Enigma is right. Economic pressure does affect game development. Japanese game companies do depend a lot on Western money. Even more so ever since Microsoft (an American corporation) entered the console wars years ago. They have no choice but to seriously consider how Western sentiment might effect the sell of their products.

  644. Linguistic Obsessor
    Linguistic Obsessor
    March 30, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    Granny panties.

  645. Asuka
    Asuka
    March 30, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    I didn’t say that it didn’t exist. I said it wasn’t as rampant. The level it is at today is purely gratuitous. As someone who grew up on 80s ans 90s games and anime, the things coming out today just make me cringe.

    Even using Star Ocean as an example you can see how in the earlier games the female lead characters look on par with the male characters in their costumes and designs.

    But now by the 5th game, the designs of female leads are just 100% fetish wear and fan service. It’s like if a JRPG is made now the women have to look like something out of a hentai, and this now constitutes what is mainstream and normal.

    I’m not saying it shouldn’t be allowed by any means, but it disappoints me that this is the new de facto style for pretty much anything that isn’t explicitly geared toward children.

    It panders to otaku who need gratuitous sexualization, while repelling once normal fans. Nevermind the SJWs, they will never be satisfied.

  646. HappyObelisk
    HappyObelisk
    March 30, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    It’s a welcome addition because there is no male version for girls. There are thousands of anime that pander to horny men.

    It brings equality and that’s why it’s praised.

  647. HappyObelisk
    HappyObelisk
    March 30, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    There is plenty of JRPGS AND VNS trash too buddy.

    Don’t be a bitch to Japan. Think for yourself.

  648. Guin
    Guin
    March 30, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    Err, otakus are by no means “normal” from the mainstream no matter the era we’re in. The sooner we come to terms with this realization, the better. Here’s a pic of a pile of retro gaming magazines featuring “conservative” clothes in video game girls .https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26d69dbbb0d1766cc9da33740463a3897f76c15f91b80e89dedbfeddfa83d6f3.jpg .

    This degree of fixation on eroticism has been entrenched in otaku culture way before now. I’m also speaking as someone who grew up playing and watching retro JP games and anime.

  649. John Smith.
    John Smith.
    March 30, 2016 at 2:46 pm

    Heads hits desk.
    Why? Wouldn’t it have been better to put a warning label on the game box saying in giant red letters. “Warning, not rated E for Everybody/SJWs”
    I hope the Japanese version will ship with optional English subtitles so I can avoid the SJW polluted version.

  650. landlock
    landlock
    March 30, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    Luckily NG is only a small part of the JRPG fanbase as well. There are much better discussions going on about the game at “other” Japanese game news sites. :p

  651. Benderisgreat
    Benderisgreat
    March 30, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    They’re not puritans, they’re nazis, just like those SJW’s on college campuses and in the media.

  652. SuuLoliBoob
    SuuLoliBoob
    March 30, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    >That’s why it’s praised

    Sure, i guess, doesn’t make it any less shit nor does it mean people should be hypocritical. Sure, praise the fact they did make female target audience fanservice on the Chinese Cartoon, but don’t INFLATE the amount of rating just because.

  653. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 30, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    Weird, then, that they would feel this pressure when actual results- sales- say those games are consumed just fine here in the west?

    Take another Japanese style of a medium: anime. Its consumption has only gone up in the west, to the point where studios are actually trying to get series localized as quickly as possible. Even within gaming, niche titles like Neptunia or Senran Kagura have only grown in popularity over the years. Final Fantasy has fallen- to some- but other franchises have risen, like Tales and yes, Star Ocean.

    Microsoft, frankly, hasn’t done much to threaten Japanese games. Well, I suppose you could say they helped with ushering in the age of the FPS, but that just seems to have allowed even more variety to rise up.

    And while it might, indeed, be smart to take “Western sentiment” into account, that STILL should extend no further than the actual gaming public, not fear of fabricated outrage by non-consumers, as is the case here.

  654. Nodoka Hanamura
    Nodoka Hanamura
    March 30, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    I’ll bring the LMGs and Nerve Gas.

  655. Metlspaz
    Metlspaz
    March 30, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    yeah sadly the romance never gets beyond like hugging in this show… considering the teasers it showed, I felt slightly disappointed in at least that aspect of the show. It was nice how they made her out to be like a genius though

  656. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 30, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    How is that even relevant? You think because people on some other site aren’t talking about it means it doesn’t matter to them?

    What logic is that?

  657. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 30, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    Apparently, though, this is also going to be in the Japanese version.

  658. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 30, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    If you could have somehow shown that to bleed into gaming in a major way, I’d have conceded the point. But you failed to do so utterly.

    If I’m confused about anything, it’s why you thought any of that was relevant.

  659. Enigma
    Enigma
    March 30, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    Well one artists work on these games from environments to music and two culture encompass all entertainment from literature to video games. Gaming isn’t that far from movies and literature in how cukture bleeds into it.

    Alright one direct way is how in Japan there is a big otaku sub culture right? Well aspects of that sub culture bleeds into games manga and movies. What that Sub culture finds itself in is now is an international market that might not agree with the otaku culture. That’s how the culture argument work. There is now a culture fight going on to establish what is acceptable and so there are going to be debates and arguments over it but the people to participate and define it are the artists.

    So I hope that clarified my statements.

  660. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 30, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    It still didn’t, because it’s not explaining how western culture is having the effect on gaming you believe. Rather, you’ve just shown how cultures that weren’t all that unrelated to begin with can influence each other.

    You’ve shown nothing about how western gaming values are already heavily influencing Japanese gaming development. Furthermore, you’d have to make an argument that, in this case, what IS affecting Japanese gaming development is, indeed, western gaming values.

  661. Mistel
    Mistel
    March 30, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    There are plenty of gamers that don’t want all of the pervy stuff including myself…This one is a bit odd though…

  662. Winter Demon
    Winter Demon
    March 30, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    I HATE CENSORSHIP

  663. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 30, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    “It’s also taking the game away from anyone who won’t support censorship”

    Reasonable people who don’t support censorship can buy and play this game.

    After all, you’ve been playing games that got changed in some manner during localization for decades. If you refused to purchase any game from a company that has “censored” games, you shouldn’t be playing anything.

    I’m not going to live in that world, thanks.

  664. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 30, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Ah yes, because one doesn’t jump on the “this developer is now shit boycott everything” they love censorship.

    That argument is pathetic garbage, you people really need to stop using it.

  665. Alexander Rossi
    Alexander Rossi
    March 30, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    Our generation and truly gamers now, we are or at least a big part of us are over 18 years old
    I am 31 been playing video games since 6 years old, games have change a lot, games now are for adults mainly, if your kid wants to play a video game get him a Nintendo Wii and get a kid game, that’s why the rate is for and not to buy a +17 game to a 6 years old kid
    People need to understand that gaming is as serious now days as the theater movies
    Is for adults too and a lot of us are gamers they need to stop talking for us and grow up and open their eyes, must of the gamers truly ones we all are adults already !

  666. Feniks
    Feniks
    March 30, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    Funny. I’m not stupid you know. I know how it starts.

    Videogames today porn tomorrow. I consider my freedom and rights to be non-negotiable. Not a fucking inch.

  667. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 30, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    If it’s just a trifle, why remove it? You keep forgetting this isn’t about the panties and is about western influences on eastern game production.

  668. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 30, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    But the developer is now shit. Did you not forget what they allowed to happen to Bravely Second? Art removed from the artbook, quests removed and changed and plenty of costumes censored.
    Now they’re letting western crybabies determine what content gets into their new releases even before localization.

    The argument that “it’s just a minor change” is pathetic garbage and you need to stop using it.

    It’s not about what is changed, it’s about why the change happened.

  669. C4
    C4
    March 30, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    Miki doesn’t have cleavage lines nor d-cups. She originally wears a skirt and plain, innocent panties. That’s part of her character design which now got ruined. She actually looks super unique which a lot of people didn’t like.

  670. C4
    C4
    March 30, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    There are a few games where like every girl has large boobs. That’s a bit odd. It’s nothing developers like tri-Ace ever did. And nothing wrong with large boobs per se of course.

  671. Greg
    Greg
    March 30, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    You’re being overly literal. I mentioned cleavage and breasts as brief examples of needless sexualiztion and not as specific grievances for this game. Also, if you think a character is ruined because their underwear is changed your a weeb and your tears are delicious. Heil Sarkessian! Heil Quinn!

  672. C4
    C4
    March 30, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    All of the characters are supposed to look fine. Not just the female ones. At least in Japan you can’t just show more skin on male characters. This isn’t the case the other way around.

  673. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 30, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    “But the developer is now shit. Did you not forget what they allowed to happen to Bravely Second?”

    Tri Ace didn’t develop Bravely Second.

  674. C4
    C4
    March 30, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    I don’t see what’s the probler here? You don’t get less new proper Anime than you would without fan service heavy Anime. You just have a more healthy market (and/or higher production value for ecchi content) for those fan service Anime.

  675. C4
    C4
    March 30, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    It was part of her character design. If you don’t understand it you don’t know how character design works. Characters in these kind of games usually don’t change clothes and there are reasons for that.

  676. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 30, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    Publisher(s)
    Square Enix

    You’re fucking retarded. They let localizers rape the fucking game. Thanks for proving you haven’t been paying attention to anything.

  677. Greg
    Greg
    March 30, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    Attempting to hide your digital teenage panty lust with vague, fallacious logic is pretty pitiful. I could kinda maybe respect you if you simply owned up to it like some of the other weebs.

  678. Enigma
    Enigma
    March 30, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    If you want to talk about Western gaming values such as when Square Enix made a completely different protagonist for Nier is how the perception of Western culture affects Japan’s gaming market to make “western” friendly titles. I believe it’s harder for Japanese games to cross over into the western market because they fear backlash from the western audience.

    I mean saying “culture” picks up on a lot things and it’s not one thing specific but a collective of attitudes, thoughts, beliefs, and actions that are practiced without even really thinking about it. I think it’s might be because culture is such an encompassing term.

    The biggest effect western gaming have had on Japanese gaming and world wide is last gen a game was only seen as worth it for AAA visuals. It didn’t translate well for Japanese development and saw radical changes in old staples such as Resident Evil when it became more action with Resident Evil 5 and to 6. Actually Japanese survival horror staples are probably the most affected by western ideals on horror.

  679. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 30, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    You do know that a publisher and developer are different things?

    You do also know this change is being made before the game is released, right? In the Japanese version? NOT by localizers?

    And I’m the retarded one. Ha. Admit it. You had no idea who developed either game.

  680. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 31, 2016 at 12:47 am

    You don’t know how a publisher works. Try again.

  681. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    March 31, 2016 at 1:35 am

    Theres a light novel and a manga, you could read that.

    Most anime adaptations are marketing ads, you know that right?

  682. Snorlaxation
    Snorlaxation
    March 31, 2016 at 2:25 am

    I love how they completely missed the damn point by MILES.

    People in other regions have a problem with YOUNG GIRLS in revealing outfits, like 13-17!! NOT 18!!

    This was such a stupid waste of time.

  683. Snorlaxation
    Snorlaxation
    March 31, 2016 at 2:28 am

    This was just a stupid move on the developer’s parts.
    The issue is seeing young girls in other regions (regions with different or HIGHER ages of consent) in skimpy clothing.

    Not seeing 18 year olds in skimpy clothing. It doesn’t take much research. They got a whole bunch of people pissed off for no reason.

  684. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 31, 2016 at 4:53 am

    Doubling down on ignorance I see. I know exactly what a publisher is. You don’t.

  685. Uji
    Uji
    March 31, 2016 at 5:43 am

    How is any of this about class struggles or the proletariat?

    Puritans have a ‘moral’ agenda.
    Marxists have an economic agenda.

    Really not sure where the bloody hell you are going with it. Just assuming you are a RWNJ.

  686. Warped Sage
    Warped Sage
    March 31, 2016 at 6:09 am

    Aren’t you directing this at the wrong audience? I mean if you were such a moral compass of infinite wisdom as you think that we are wasting our time, why don’t you tell that to the raging people who have problems about a slightly smaller set of panties so much that a company had to spend extra time, money, and development just to change for us in the west.

    You are not the “voice of reason” when you condone the people agitating in the first place.

  687. Warped Sage
    Warped Sage
    March 31, 2016 at 6:14 am

    The same companies that pushed that narrative *coughs Jezebel and Kotaku under the Gawker main line* are probably going to go defunct here soon too with all the lawsuits against them. Ironically for posting sex videos. But, there effect on changing art will be here for ages.

  688. Warped Sage
    Warped Sage
    March 31, 2016 at 6:15 am

    Hentai Kamen will save us!

  689. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 7:48 am

    Okay gamers, it’s time for every gamer to go at these SJWs, in your own way, as vicious as possible! ddos their accounts, flood them with annoying emails, shut them up and down, because their BS is going to far! I can tell you right now, and we’ve already seen one company do it, Japan is going to just refuse to release any game in the states, because of these selfish retarded SJWs! Voice your opinions to these companies and kick these SJWs out of the gaming world, because they are not helping the gaming community at all, but in fact they are destroying it for their own self gratification!
    These companies are not innocent either, they need to grow a backbone and tell these entitled silver spoon fed SJWs that if they don’t like how their games are originally presented to the masses, then they don’t have to buy it! These games are not just for these retarted few whiners, they are for those who enjoy them, and you all need to call these companies out on that, and explain to them that they are wrong! If they refuse to listen, then we need to boycott the companies that fold to these SJWs, period!

  690. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 7:58 am

    You are missing the entire point of the situation! It’s not about seeing the girls panties, but now we are seeing gamers from japan getting pissed at the states because of the influence SJWs have in gaming, and is beginning to result in companies refusing to release games in America because of a small number of entitled brats who are offended at every little thing! From Tracer’s back stance to R.Mika’s buttslap, nothing will satisfy these idiot SJWs until gaming is dead! Opinions like yours are another reason things have gotten so bad, because people like you have no principles to stand by, and you are ready to just allow anyone to destroy what you enjoy!

  691. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 8:05 am

    These retarded SJWs need to stop complaining about someone else’s creation, and go make their own damn game the way they envision it! They won’t do that though, because from what I can tell, and from what I seen, their idea of fun is a retarded walking simulator with a boring story about a relationship between some divorced couple having having high school drama issues that nobody gives a damn about!

  692. Metlspaz
    Metlspaz
    March 31, 2016 at 8:50 am

    I don’t words good

  693. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    March 31, 2016 at 9:47 am

    Let’s not forget that awesome cleaning simulator,this is their idea of fun.

  694. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 9:53 am

    I recently heard it mentioned that the primary demographic of JRPGs in Japan is otaku teenagers. In North America way way more adults play them than Japanese adults. A Western adult is more likely to be uncomfortable seeing sexualised teenage characters, so the changes make sense to not turn off a good deal of the western audience. If you look at it from that perspective instead of being a whiney bitch who cries censorship when a teenager gets boyshorts instead of panties, then it all makes perfectly good sense.

  695. Smug
    Smug
    March 31, 2016 at 11:08 am

    Too much of a good goy to pirate stuff huh?

  696. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 11:36 am

    Let me dumb it down for your simple mindedness! There may be less Japanese games released in the states, aside from those perverted games, because of a very small vocal group, and they could range from action rpgs to fps games and more because of these crybabies who can’t handle a female character showing a little skin, which REAL gamers aren’t even looking at in the first place! So instead of always trying to convince the majority of rightfully angry gamers to look at it your way how about you look at it like this, what if a small majority of people told you that you can never discuss a good theory you came up with because they feel uncomfortable with certain details of your theory, and then they hassled you constantly about your theories until you changed it to their liking, and if you didn’t change it they would threaten to destroy everything about what you’re doing!?
    It’s not about the perverted games at all, it’s about having game that we love to play without having someone complain about about things they think is sexist! People don’t buy the Arkham series, tomb raider, Blizzard Games, dead or alive to watch naked women, they play games to escape the BS that happens in real life, but vocal idiots that plague real life just have to come and ruin it for everyone, instead of just refusing to buy the games they disagree with, like any rational gamer does when they have a problem! I hate military fps games, because my opinion is they lack a good story and substance, but I’m not gonna try to change how those games are because everyone else enjoys them, and a lot of people feel the same way about games like the Souls series and I love those type of games, and they don’t try to change or ban those because they are aware that people like me play them! Maybe we should ban that retarded SJW game FireWatch, because I feel offended by games that constantly push boring stories in your face, since SJWs want to play that kind of game! In fact we should find out which games these SJWs are involved in and boycott every single one of them, starting with Mirrors Edge, because I’m offended by any game tha Anita had dealings with, and TowerFall, since they put Anita in that damn game qas a character! Boycott every company that folds to the minority SJWs, and make these devs realize that if they keep cateting to the minority their prophets will suffer greatly! Let’s see how well their games sell when only SJWs are buying them!

  697. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 11:53 am

    How about this? I am a professional video game artist, a feminist, and a serious gamer. You know nothing about the issues you speak of and calling yourself a “REAL” gamer means you’re establishing a hierarchy of which I am higher up than you. You know nothing about “self censorship” and changing designs based on feedback and target markets. This is a manufactured scandal to feed into the outrage machine you and others like you are part of.

    You’re outraged that they changed it because you feel uncomfortable that it was changed, and you think you’re right in being angry at it. This is simply because you are a raging. imbecilic. hypocrite.

    You probably weren’t planning to buy this game, and if changing the TYPE of panty one character is wearing, then you’re showing yourself to be of a vocal minority that demands to be pandered to or they’ll scream and shout like the children they are.

  698. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    How retarded must you be to actually know what I and many other consumers want in a game, and you being a video designer doesn’t mean shit when you have people like me and everyone else who dislike what idiot SJWs are doing to the gaming community! You were probably one of those retards complaining about Tracer’s back stance on Overwatch lol! Nobody is forcing you to buy Star Ocean, since idiot SJWs like you have a problem with it, go make your own damn game, and stay away from others creations, like the hack video game artist you are! You think because you help develop games that makes you qualified to tell others that they shouldn’t be bothered by censorship! Get over your entitled sjw retardedness, because people love other games outside of the garbage you find interesting, and they have a right to be pissed when you sjw clowns ruin the games they love because you are triggered by a skin showing on female characters, but I don’t see any of you retarded sjws talking about games like God of War, where you literally have a overly muscular naked dude running around tearing men and women apart, with a mini sex game at that, but panties, Tracer’s back stance, and R.Mikas buttslap is what triggers you idiots! You do realize there are more important things in the real world to stop, aside from pixel charaters showing a little skin, like the real sexist tyrant running for president, or the countless women overseas who are actual victims, but this, THIS is where you retarded SJWs make your stand lol! I’ll be sure to boycott anything you work on, that’s if you actually are capable of producing anything that isn’t a boring simulator or a repetitive retro side-scroller, like the billion others out on the market lol!

  699. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    You’ve invalidated your own argument by being “triggered” by the “SJWs” you think are different from you. You’re part of the same outrage culture. You are part of the problem.

    Nothing you say matters, because everything you say is automatically hypocritical by the nature of the position you stand for. You can make these long rants that I’m not even reading. Because nothing you’re saying matters until you realise that you’re participating in outage culture and make moves to stop it. I do see that you’re calling me a hack artist, which shows how vacuous your argument is, because you don’t actually know what level of talent I have– so like everything else you’re saying, your insult isn’t substantive.

    All I hear is the inane screaming of a child who is saying little more than “she started it! waaaah!” If you want to be part of the solution, speak out against outrage culture. That includes the people who are on YOUR side, as much as people who are on the other side.

  700. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    You are the real fucking hypocrite here, You wrote

    “The attorney general is inventing conflict that simply does not exist”. Literally everything he’s saying is dishonest and projection. Fucking piece of shit liar.”

    But here you are defending the actions of lying SJWs who lie and say games are making gamers sexist, when in reality the only sexist assholes in gaming are extreme feminist like you! If anything you extreme feminist zealot retards are sexist to male gamers! If you believe in equality than you shouldn’t have a problem with women showing skin in games, just like the countless male characters running around wearing even less, but wait I forgot you retarded SJWs love slut shamming women who enjoy their beauty, or maybe you’re just mad that these type of women just aren’t into you, so you take your childish temper tantrums out on other devs, like the asshole you are!

    The next piece of art you create I’ll be sure to criticize it and call you sexist if I see you make a typical male character without a shirt okay dipshit

  701. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 31, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    Do I have to explain it again to your retarded ass? SE handles the game off to be localized for the game they published. The developer does not. SE allowed the localizer to butcher the game. The developer did not. Take a minute to read how these systems function because you’re extremely ignorant to how the industry works.

  702. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    March 31, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    “different protagonist for Nier”

    Now you’re getting somewhere.

    ” because they fear backlash from the western audience.”

    Aaaand you’ve lost me. Can’t even figure out what you’re trying to get at here.

    ” last gen a game was only seen as worth it for AAA visuals.”

    Not only is that a generalization- and given the biggest selling games of last generation, an untrue one- but that was also due DIRECTLY to Japanese games. It was due to visuals in series like Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo that that EVER became a thing.

    “didn’t translate well for Japanese development”

    This applied almost exclusively to JRPGs, yet even then, last generation had PLENTY of superb titles even in that genre. What DID happen, though, was that development costs- and development time- went up considerably, so that not everybody could afford to make as many games as before. And, if they did, they wouldn’t necessarily make it west(or east, for that matter).

    “radical changes in old staples such as Resident Evil”

    Pretty certain that was Capcom being Capcom and pissing off everybody that loved them.

    “probably the most affected by western”

    Believe it or not, that may have something to do with the west being the largest consumers of such titles. Though, for example, Fatal Frame hasn’t taken that route, Resident Evil sees FAR more sales and popularity in the west than at home; in that case, isn’t it sensible to change the series to fit the tastes of your biggest audience?

    That said, none of the things you point out are indicative of an overarching influence of western ideas and ideals modifying Japanese gaming. And, in fact, it’s notable that you leave out MUCH of what Japan’s gaming market offers. For example, where’s the western influence in Nintendo? Outside of FFXIII, where the western influence on JRPGs? Or visual novels?

    Most certainly, western sensibilities haven’t made their way into Japanese gaming. Not yet, anyway. And definitely not because it’s what western gamers prefer.

    Yes, culture influences culture. Right now, it’s a rather deplorable subset of a subset of western culture negatively influencing another subset of a subset of Japanese culture when it should have no influence at all.

  703. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    Oh that’s cute, going through my posts because you can’t argue back and want to change the subject. The thing with the attorney general and the governor is an actual issue that involves actual laws and real world oppression, like what you think is happening to gaming devs.

    I never once defended the actions of these so called SJWs that you’re enraged about. I said it makes sense that the devs would change something to appeal to a broader market that rather leave things in that might turn potential customers off. I’m sorry. You are illiterate. Again. If you want to end outrage culture, you need to stop being part of it.

    And if you really want to make a strong case against me, attacking my work– which you haven’t seen– just makes you sound like you’re grasping at straws. Use your head, stop being enraged because you think other people are enraged. Outrage culture exists, because people like you feed off the tribalism that comes out of having an opposing view to be mad at.

  704. C4
    C4
    March 31, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    Wtf are you even talking about, it’s just underwear or in other words, clothes.

  705. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 31, 2016 at 2:46 pm

    “A Western adult is more likely to be uncomfortable seeing sexualised teenage characters”

    She’s a legal adult in this case. There is no reason for the change.

    “If you look at it from that perspective instead of being a whiney bitch who cries censorship when a teenager”

    Legal adult.

  706. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    18 is legal adult but still teenage. The key there being teen. Eigh*teen*. The reason for the change was appealing to a slightly broader demographic. The devs did it, He said they did it to avoid criticism, he cited broad criticism about sexualization of teenagers in games. They don’t even seem to peeved about the whole thing, the whiners in this thread are way more angry about it.

    Do you know how much work it is to change boyshorts to panties in this case? It would be about ten minutes of work for me. That’s ten minutes of their time. End of story.

  707. Smug
    Smug
    March 31, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    >being a feminist (lol)
    >being a professional videogame artist

    One is not compatible with the other
    Especially when you justify the censorship from external pressure and call others raging imbeciles for wanting no suppressed artistic creations

  708. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 31, 2016 at 3:12 pm

    “18 is legal adult but still teenage”
    Noone cares. Living and breathing 18 year olds are exploited every day in the US and this is an issue? You’re mentally challenged.

    “He said they did it to avoid criticism”
    Why should I respect a developer that changes minor details over whiny feminists? Noone should.

    “They don’t even seem to peeved about the whole thing, the whiners in this thread are way more angry about it.”
    And rightly justified. Art was changed for the sake of avoiding offense.

    “Do you know how much work it is to change boyshorts to panties in this
    case? It would be about ten minutes of work for me. That’s ten minutes
    of their time. End of story.”
    Pretty fucking un-ballsy for an artist to be fine with censorship.

  709. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    If you think I’m “mentally challenged” for saying “the devs thought it was a good idea to take the safe route and appeal to a slightly broader demographic” then you really need to reassess what your definition of “mentally challenged” is.

    I didn’t say anything about exploitation. Everything I said was about the wider demographic. If you cannot actually read my argument before making a counte rargument, then there’s no point in trying to reason with you. You wouldn’t be reading what I’m saying, you’d be reading what you want me to be saying.

    This isn’t censorship. You don’t even know the meaning of censorship. Let’s keep track of how many words you’ve failed to comprehend the meaning of;
    — Censorship <- none happened.
    — Mentally challenge <- for siding with the devs who took a safe route.
    — teenage <- because you can't maths, apparently.

    As I said to the other idiot. You don't seem to understand what's happening here, no censorship is taking place. As a fellow artist I understand that feedback, avoiding criticism and deciding when and where standing up for your designs is worth it. Artistic vision isn't this grand, unchanging thing you seem to think it is.

  710. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    Let’s see you back up that claim with some actual substance. I want to see you struggle to make a connection between two barely related things.

  711. Feniks
    Feniks
    March 31, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    The porn industry makes billions from “just 18” so I find this unlikely.

    Hell every heterosexual male in the US dreams about cheerleaders.

  712. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 31, 2016 at 3:29 pm

    You are mentally challenged for thinking complaints about art being changed over western sensibilities, yes.

    The complaint was that “people are uncomfortable seeing teenagers in panties” which is a complete fucking lie, especially in the US. Women even younger than 18 are shown fucking everywhere in much less revealing clothing than this. This is aboslute hypocrisy.

    “for siding with devs who took the safe route”

    Why would they give a shit who they offend? Who cares if someone is offended?

    “no censorship is taking place”

    Literally what is happening.

    “as a fellow artist deciding when and where standing up for your designs is worth it”

    You ALWAYS stand up for your designs, no matter the criticism or who is offended. It is always worth it. This culture of insecurity is breeding the biggest pussies on the planet.

    “Artistic vision isn’t this grand, unchanging thing you seem to think it is”

    Spoken like a true feminazi. You only need to make approved art so noone thinks less of you. Fucking pathetic.

  713. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    It’s called researching lying Hypocrite bullshit sjw assholes, like you lol:D
    Fuck off, and have a nice fuckin day asshole.

  714. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    Let’s start with what censorship is;
    Censorship is when a person or group with authority uses their legal influence to prevent someone from speaking/showing something/whatever. It is NOT when a dev decides to change a design because they think it’ll come off better in a specific market.

    Second the argument that teenagers are sexualised here and it must be that nobody cares is a false conclusion. You can’t say “Because A is true, B must automatically be true too”, you have to make a connection. There are plenty of people who care about that shit. The key here is that people who the devs want to buy the game might not be into it, and they changed the game in the hopes that those people will buy the game. Selling the game is their goal here.

    “You ALWAYS stand up for your designs,”

    Wrong? You do realise that this design is one of several that the concept artist would have presented to the art director before settling on one, which itself probably went through a few changes throughout development. I’m apologize to you for ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT.

    “Spoken like a true feminazi. You only need to make approved art so noone thinks less of you. Fucking pathetic.”

    No? Did you not read the part where I said you decide where and when to stand up for your designs and when to accept feedback? Again. If you’re not going to actually read what I wrote then there’s no point in trying to reading you. You just want to be angry at straw men.

  715. Smug
    Smug
    March 31, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    So you basically admit you’re just a SJW in deguise

  716. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    But we’re not talking about the porn industry, we’re talking about video game devs. The overlap of porn and video games is an interesting topic with a lot to discuss, but that;s not what’s being talked about here.

  717. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    Feminist is not the same as SJW. There isn’t a fixed “SJW” meaning,if you count it to mean anyone who makes a feminist argument, then sure. If you count it to mean whiney bitches who get mad over every litle thing, then I’m the only non SJW out of everyone I’ve spoken to on this site. Today. Claiming to stand up against censorship is as much “social justice” as whatever it is you think “sjws” do.

    Now let’s hear it, why can’t a feminist be a professional game artist?

  718. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    I never lied nor did I say anything hypocritical. Apparently you think deciding to add a bit of white to a bitmap is literally the same as being arrested for no other reason than being in a minority group. You are absolutely retarded. Cheers.

  719. Smug
    Smug
    March 31, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    Why feminism should exist?
    Why would you brainwash yourself, kill your creativity over “muh feelings”, for that silly movement?

  720. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 31, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    “I’m apologize to you for ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT”
    No you don’t. You’re a failed artist.

    “Again. If you’re not going to actually read what I wrote then there’s no point in trying to reading you”
    I read what you said. It reeks of cowardice and insecurity. You always stand up for your creations, no fucking questions. If you’re going to change art for sensibilities, don’t be a fucking artist. Go be a marketer.

  721. Rawr
    Rawr
    March 31, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    OR IT’S TIME TO STOP SUPPORTING/BUYING GAMES THAT CENSOR BY COMPLAINTS OF THE FEW.

  722. Ubrokemygrill?
    Ubrokemygrill?
    March 31, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    You can be a professional game artist and a feminist. You can’t be a professional artist and be fine with art being censored.

  723. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    If you’re saying an artist can’t criticize other artists then you’re not making a statement with any basis in reality at all. Artists criticize other artists all the time, artists ask other artists for critique all the time.

    If you’re saying I’m talking down to the devs here, no I’m not. I’m saying that everyone complaining about what the devs decided are making a big deal over nothing

  724. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    ” You always stand up for your creations, no fucking questions. If you’re going to change art for sensibilities, don’t be a fucking artist. ”

    When you yourself are an artist, be it professional or as a hobby, come back and tell me whether you still believe this, because it’s simply not true. Critique and feedback are a thing. Sometimes you do it to improve, sometimes you do it to cater. It depends on what is more important at the time.

    But apparently reality is completely irrelevant to your argument.

    “You’re a failed artist.”

    If you’re literally just going to make shit up, I’m not going to bother anymore. Have a good one.

  725. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    Says the so-called serious gamer who thinks hes better than everyone else because he doesn’t mind censorship of others creation! For a fucking idiot who create art, which is the very definition of freedom of expression, you are A fucking hypocrite when you claim that gamers are whiney bitches because they prefer what was originally intended, but will never happen, in a work of art due to to the real whinney bitches, like you fucking bitch ass SJWs! You can’t create an original creative game on your own, so you bitch and complain when REAL fucking game developers create real art that show case true creative character design, and you dumbass SJWs try to force your stupid ass beliefs on others who do not need or want your so-called help, So yes you are fucking wrong, you are a fucking hypocrite, and people like you are the very reason why good games are being tampered with! Fuck you SJWs and your stupid ass feminazi bullshit, you are doing anything but sitting behind your dumbass key boards and bitch about women who aren’t hiding their face behind a berkah! You SJWs project your idiotic ideas on the masses like some retarded ass cult, peiople are tired of your shit! Eat a dick, and go fuck yourself you lame fake-ass dev, you are not a real gamer, but you are an asshole, hell you proved that much already dipshit!

  726. Smug
    Smug
    March 31, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    “I’m uncomfortable (by panties on young girls)” is not a valid critique/feedback

  727. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    It was valid enough for the Star Ocean 5 devs to agree and make the change. Are you going to tell them how to do their job now? Isn’t that what you accused your “SJWs” of doing?

    Why is this important to you? Is it perhaps because you think fighting against “censorship” and fighting for “artist vision” is an important *social justice* issue for you? It’s almost as if you’re a raging hypocrite.

  728. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    I’m honouring your decision to duck out of this conversation by not responding to whatever moronic argument you’re making. You wanted to leave. You have permission to do so.

  729. Smug
    Smug
    March 31, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    They didnt even agree, they were forced to make the change (and alienate their japanese fanbase too), because of your western faggotery based on your baby feelings.

  730. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    Now you are just be a straight up bitch now!

  731. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    I wasn’t complaining to them. I though Star Ocean 3 was a bore and I had no intention of buying this game or paying any attention to it. They made the change, that means they clearly agreed. The worst you can say is that they did it begrudgingly, but they still did it. They weren’t “forced” by anyone to make a change. Criticism doesn’t force anyone, they had every right to reject it. Just like now they have the right to reject your criticism of their decision to make the change. You can’t force them to change anything.

    It’s almost as if you’re exactly the same as the people you’re mad at, like I’ve been saying this whole time.

  732. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    Okay.

  733. Smug
    Smug
    March 31, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    “no ur the SJWs”
    Funny how this is exactly the same argument you faggots use to mirror back.

    Nevermind you still ignore how changes being forced by the West, to suit political-correctness and feminism, still affect the japanese userbase.

  734. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    What’s wrong little bitch, you don’t like it when someone calls you on you bullshit, typical of an SJW bitch to run when they can’t handle real confrontation! go hide in your little safe space like the good little censoring bitch you are! male or female, all of you shitty SJWs are the fucking same, complain because others like showing skin in games! Be a fucking adult and stop crying whenever you see a women’s body! I think you SJWs are a bunch virgins who can’t get any lol:D

  735. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    “Political correctness is bad okay?” is an argument that is only thrown around by hypocrites. You wouldn’t be here if you weren’t TRIGGERED by what you percieve as rampant PC culture. I’m here because I think outrage culture is stupid and I’m trying to beat enough reason in your heads that you stop being part of it. The madder you get the madder the regressive left gets, the madder you get. It’s a cycle. Break it. I’m neither part of them nor a part of you guys. I’m siding with the devs and saying there’s nothing here to be outraged about.

  736. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    You wanted to leave. I’m letting you leave. I’m not going to argue with you. You expressed a desire for this conversation to be over and now you’re continuing it. Should I be listening to the you from 2 hours ago or the you from now?

  737. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    Yet you are still here, so obviously I’m getting to your retarded ass lol:D

  738. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    There are other people in this thread I’m talking to, I’m not here just for you

  739. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    Flagged. Really? Resorting to doxxing?

  740. Smug
    Smug
    March 31, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    It just took me an simple Google search with your username to find that.

    Looks like you don’t seem to be quite confident of your skills, but guess that’s expected from a failed artist that would defend censorship

  741. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    So instead of trying to back up your argument with any sort of substance you resort to doxxing, one of the most unethical and frowned upon practices on the internet. What a child.

  742. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    Yet you keep replying to me, what a dipshit retard your parents raised lol!

  743. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    same to you?

  744. malbhet
    malbhet
    March 31, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    I just needed to pretend to act childish, just to see how long it would take someone like you to stoop to a lower level, and you did that so quickly to be honest! Thank you for proving to me that people like you are just as childish as those you think you are more mature than!

  745. Azima Khan
    Azima Khan
    March 31, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    “Pretend”

  746. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 31, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    “A Western adult is more likely to be uncomfortable seeing sexualised teenage characters”

    She’s 18 years old, you mongoloid.

    “so the changes make sense to not turn off a good deal of the western audience.”

    Provide facts to back up this statement. Prove that the majority are indeed adults and most of them dislike to see fiction in this manner, provide facts to back up that it will also affect sales.

    “If you look at it from that perspective instead of being a whiney bitch who cries censorship when a teenager gets boyshorts instead of panties, then it all makes perfectly good sense.”

    It’s by definition self-censorship, you sandnigger.

  747. Vicious Malicious
    Vicious Malicious
    March 31, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    “She’s 18 years old, you mongoloid.”

    An 18 year old is a teenager, you spend two years of your life as both a legal adult and a teenager. Your argument is prefaced with a failure to math.

    “It’s by definition self-censorship”

    Self censorship is a very broad idea with a lot of nuance I don’t think you’re equipped to dwelve into. Have a good day.

  748. Greg
    Greg
    March 31, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    First the changes ruined the part of the character, now they’re “just clothes” imply the lack the intrinsic value you previously placed on a teenagers panties. Nice flip-flop.

  749. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    March 31, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    “An 18 year old is a teenager, you spend two years of your life as both a legal adult and a teenager. Your argument is prefaced with a failure to math.”

    Irrelevant. If she’s 18, she can even star in porn.

    Hell, why are you arguing she’s a teenager when she’s a video game character? Are you retarded? Of course it doesn’t matter, she isn’t real.

    “Self censorship is a very broad idea with a lot of nuance I don’t think you’re equipped to dwelve into. Have a good day.”

    So you have no argument, shut the fuck up then, sandnigger.

  750. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 31, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    The game isn’t even out in Japan. This change is going into the Japanese version. Who is “localizing” the Japanese version, exactly?

  751. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    March 31, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    In this case, both versions were changed, so there goes that retarded argument.

  752. Horus
    Horus
    March 31, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    [Extremely Calm Medical Professional Voice] That’s correct.

  753. Enigma
    Enigma
    March 31, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    Ok I see now. I was getting mixed up with “how the west affect Japanese gaming” with “how the western market appreciates Japanese gaming”

    Well then the western market affected Japanese gaming in a way by being the biggest market as you mentioned and for the Japanese developers to sale to those emerging markets some strategies had to change. There are examples of Japanese publishers outsourcing to western developers to create titles for that market. I saw that a lot of titles didn’t make the way westward because of a lack of appeal in the western market.

    I maybe let my frustrations get the better of me not because this discussion but the fact that many Japanese game developers were called out last gen(at least in the beginning) as being too weak to keep up with the west AAA standards. I personally like Nippon Ichi games and visual novels but the western market always argued those weren’t “real” games. Saying that even story heavy games have no place even for western developers such as Quantic Dream and QTE were a shitty mechanic and only shitty games use it(until Telltale games)

    I just hate how closed minded the western market been at least in the mainstream to Japanese developers and game design. Well of course I appreciate any discussion on it but I guess I haven’t really nailed down my point in a efficient way.

    Also why I was so fixated on art and culture is because I’m an artist myself and I have friends that do 3d animation and illustration. When I was in school a lot of people wanted to make concept art and the some that said they were influenced by Japanese artists (like myself) was treated as anime nerds. So yea frustrated.

  754. John Smith.
    John Smith.
    March 31, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    Because censorship has a nasty way of creeping forward, they’ll start with panty shots and boobs today, tomorrow it’ll be guns and violence that they demand to be removed.

  755. John Smith.
    John Smith.
    March 31, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    Well fuck, guess I’ll spend my money on something else then.

  756. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    March 31, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    Refer to the replies just below you, mate.
    Also, don’t guzzle the Marxism; Karl Marx was for the destruction of the family unit as well. It was his work along with Engels that led to the abolition of the family in society:
    https://www.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/History/Faculty/Weikart/Marx-Engels-and-the-Abolition-of-the-Family.pdf

    What does this have to do with an “economic” agenda? Almost nothing, because Marxism is more than an economic philosophy. Whoever taught you otherwise is a liar.

  757. ChazDragoon
    ChazDragoon
    April 1, 2016 at 4:23 am

    I had a whole thing typed out…but i realized, telling you why I wont buy censored stuff is a waste of time. Because if you don’t understand why people hate censorship in games now, you’re not gona get it if I try to explain.

    So i’ll leave it at this truth:

    I wont buy the game. You can go ahead…how can I stop you? Send pixel ninjas to murder you if you come within 10 feet of the game?

  758. ChazDragoon
    ChazDragoon
    April 1, 2016 at 4:24 am

    don’t be…you have much to live for

  759. landlock
    landlock
    April 1, 2016 at 9:26 am

    I can’t help it. Reading the comments on this news story makes my brain turn to goo.

  760. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    13-17 are teenagers, not “girls” (or did you mean “girl” in common sense of word?). Then again, that depends on type of “revealing clothes”. There is a difference between something really naughty that game developer attached to character like thongs or whatever and smth that people actually wear. Bikinis are totally fine and not as “oversexual” as everyone is saying (have they ever been to public beaches and aquaparks?) Underwear.. that depends on context, though. Anyway, just check instagrams of an average 15 yo teen and judge for yourself can you compare that to stuff in videogames or not.

  761. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    This sounds depressing. I’m glad i was playing Mortal Kombat 3 since i was ~9.

  762. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    That’s the root of evil. West looks at games from too “This is serious” attitude, while in Japan they’re more another toys. As for North American jRPG community…isn’t that because they all grew up on jRPGs in childhood and so they still play them…

    As for “sexualization”, that’s questionable. It’s just panties under skirt, what’s the problem? If you mean fetish otakus have, it’s “taking photos of panties” is their pervert thing, and not actually making some have visible panties.

  763. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    Speaking about “changing panty type”, i’t’s funny how those screenshots above are such a low quality that you don’t even see a difference.

    Though, i don’t know if “sjw haters” told you, but the reason of outrage isn’t related to panties at all, or so it should be like that. The reason of outrage is watching how some company, well, doesn’t “have balls” to do things as they were initially, and instead changing stuff “because of others”.

  764. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    Tracer’s case is indeed ridiculous; but you should be glad they didnt change her bodysuit, ha!

  765. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    She need to be adult to wear panties under skirt? Man, where r u goin’… ;)

  766. Vicious Malicious
    Vicious Malicious
    April 1, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    But they didn’t even make a major change. Regular panties were changed to boyshorts, which is still a type of panty. You can ask yourself the reverse question. It’s such a minor change– what’s the problem? Is this really something worth being outraged over? I don’t think so.

  767. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    >18 is legal adult but still teenage. The key there being teen. Eigh*teen*.

    You say some strange things here. Though, that may depend on country. Where i live, those who you call teenagers in english language are 13-17.Though you may say that United Nations count 18-19 as teen too, or so wikipedia says.

  768. Vicious Malicious
    Vicious Malicious
    April 1, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    I was responding to pedantic statements with an equally pedantic statement. I was making the case that the devs are aware that the markets in Japan and the West are different, and so they took what they thought was the middle ground.

  769. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    Nah, i wasnt talking about panty change – i meant overall “games for adults vs games for children/teens” and “games = art or entertainment”. I answered in another comment about “whats outrage about”.

  770. Vicious Malicious
    Vicious Malicious
    April 1, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    Well I’m not really a good person to bring up the art or entertainment thing because I don’t really think “art” is a thing. It’s a meaningless word. I don’t think that this is worth any amount of outrage, and my problem is that there’s outrage at all.

  771. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    Too bad we didn’t have videogames made by Andy Warhol

  772. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    You have your sense of aesthetics. Dead or Alive 5 has some nice costumes that were created with a lot of attention to details (of course i m not talking about bunch of lookalike sweamwear though they may had some nice ornaments)

  773. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    unless it’s Final Fantasy Type-0 where you need to roll with characters to evade, like, every several seconds during combat.

  774. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    Why don’t ya play jRPGs for gameplay, u dont like dungeon crawlers?

  775. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    Ouch, when i see photos of japanese megapolises, they have, like, informational garbage on nearly every building.

  776. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    What’s with Cidney? Ain’t she a woman? All problematic talk is about moe/loli and other “you dont tell me…”.

  777. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    everything is connected, yes.

  778. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    Ain’t otakus are minority comparing to population in Japan? That’s why such games have low budgets, thats why its still niche. I was shocked when they told me that average japanese dont watch anime (i honestly thought that anime replaces cinema for them, but….no)

  779. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    Maybe not. Not games are moddable.

  780. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    Well, Square even was deleting western videos of DQ8 gameplay, thats how far it goes.

  781. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    Prinny is awesome.

  782. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    That’s the spirit!

  783. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    hey this is HOT!!! Really! Though too much polygons may scare them unless they really confident with game engine.

    Also, pantsu are overrated. Your pic above is much more sweat because of this abdomen in good shape. With navel.

  784. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    Eh, who says you must? It’s just girl in lingerie. And stylised.

  785. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Sadly you cant change minds of entire country like USA where they say it’s sexualization for every new inch of skin uncovered.

  786. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    if those panties really will remind people diapers, it would lead to some weird stuff in people’s mind with unneeded thoughts. Diapers are more abnormal than panties in this case.

  787. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    how did Phantasy Star Nova do on Vita in Japan, btw? And yes there were gossips about tri-ace switching to smartphone ftp crap(

  788. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    Undertale fans are closer to MLP

  789. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    Same for Exist Archive game?

    Ironically, the game from tri-Ace where i really wanted to see “underwear costume” (and i mean full set, not pantsu under skirt) – Resonance of Fate – laughed at everyone, having costume of dress with painted bikini, and you could put it on guys too >< . Argh. hahaha.

  790. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    Is there an index of camel toe depicted in videogames? 0o besides that one from Mass Effect =_=

  791. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    btw Until Dawn has pretty nice work on character model’s faces, maybe because they based them on IRL actors, but they really looked different to each other unlike smth like Dead or Alive where you cant differ girls without different clothes/haircut

  792. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:53 pm

    Under my impression, Japanese can’t do small and normal breast chars in games >< they always go for flat lolis or some "i have 5 size" madames. argh

  793. Qmish
    Qmish
    April 1, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    good combat system? may be…

  794. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    April 1, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    What’s the difference, physically and mentally between 17 and 18?

  795. Nocturnic
    Nocturnic
    April 1, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    True, but hopefully model files are “loose”.

  796. JohnnyCageFan2
    JohnnyCageFan2
    April 1, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    ‘But that is artistic, this, this is just lewd.’ < Read it with a lisp.

  797. Gamescook
    Gamescook
    April 2, 2016 at 12:52 am

    He’s confusing an excuse for a justification. “Oh, she has to get naked to be powerful. It can’t be helped. Thong shots aren’t skimpy, but we were forced to bump it down to visible regular panties instead. How distressing (laughs).” Christ, be self-aware or be honest, at least one.

  798. Enigma
    Enigma
    April 2, 2016 at 2:13 am

    True but there have been a lot of talk about laws that will effect otaku. But then otaku have the money to buy things like AKB cds en masse. Japan got an interesting culture which stands at a level where they have a highly developed nation and a majority of their citizens have a good education. Sure they are experiencing low birth rates right now but it shows with more education people have kids less and are less likely to start a family.

    Anyway besides that bit of Japanese trivia(which is interesting when you read into it) it’s hard to understand from the outside looking in from a western perspective.

  799. malbhet
    malbhet
    April 2, 2016 at 9:15 am

    Not yet, but there’s still enough time for these SJW crybabies to complain enough to Blizzard to get them to put every female character in a burka!

  800. C4
    C4
    April 2, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    I’m talking about the ‘visual’ character design, if you want to put in that way.

    Besides most people (not me) complained about how her face looks more often than her choice of clothes.

  801. Snorlaxation
    Snorlaxation
    April 2, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    Not much. Now the difference between 14 and 17/18? It can be quite a bit

  802. Snorlaxation
    Snorlaxation
    April 2, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    I meant it simply as a gender descriptor. But again, plenty of parents do and don’t care about their daughters wearing bikini’s or posting them online. But that’s different than a video game character that age which is mainly seen as fetish fuel when she’s wearing one. That’s the only reason they allowed it. Japan has a different age of consent, and very conflicting views on sex and sexuality.

  803. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    April 2, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    It CAN be. But not necessarily. Often, there’s little to no difference. There’s a retired porn star I know- or knew, as such things go with fame- who looks the same at 30 as she did at 14. Well, except now she’s got implants. Otherwise, she’s just as undeveloped as always.

    There’s also the opposite. A girl I met when she was twelve looked the same at 17 because she was overdeveloped. Go to any high school or middle school, and you’ll find those on the younger end capable of passing for much older. My freshman year of college, there were PLENTY of girls in my classes who could well have passed for five years younger. Hell, it wasn’t until I neared 30, myself, that I started looking like I was older than 20.

    The point is that it’s not as simple as numbers, which aren’t even universal to begin with. As an example, there’s usually little to no difference between 17 and 18, but if you’re above that line and you touch someone JUST below it, you can be subject to legal action. Which is, honestly, pretty stupid.

    It’s also a point of contention that the age of consent doesn’t match up to the age of legality. Another problem is that child porn is applied to images of kids at or above the age of consent but below the age of legality even if in the possession of someone else in that same group.

    To expand on that second problem, a 16 year-old girl could be charged with creating and distributing child pornography if she took nude pictures of herself to give to her boyfriend who’s 17; he could also be charged with possession. They can have sex, they can see each other naked, but they can’t take or show pictures of themselves to each other without breaking the law. It’s also illegal for them to view or possess porn of anyone 18 or older.

    Is that not weird? You can have sex, but you can’t see it, and nobody can see you doing it. Obviously, somebody my age shouldn’t be involved now, but I’ve been of the opinion ever since I was in high school that there needs to be SOMETHING that bridges the gap. If not a porn industry designed specifically for those in that gray area, then at least the legal right to be seen in media by others in said gray area. Of course, that would draw out older people wanting to get in, who might even pay to get their hands on said photos. In that case, though, it’s a clear violation of the law- you can even make it illegal to create or distribute the material for profit- and current prosecution can stand.

    We could also get into biological reasons for why some men prefer younger women, and why that 13-17ish group is preferred, but that’ll probably just break down into “morals” that have only been around about a century, anyway, but are somehow the only right ones. And I’d rather not open that can of worms.

  804. rergerger
    rergerger
    April 4, 2016 at 2:30 am

    Well, at least they’re subversive about it.

  805. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    April 4, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    Dude, I could understand if the censorship was something more explicit but this is literally just slightly bigger panty texture which you wouldn’t even know about if it wasn’t announced.

  806. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    April 4, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    Late response but the game doesn’t pander to weeaboos (unless we go by the stupid definition where all J games are for weebs), on top of that Star Ocean isn’t niche series and lastly, the pantsu wasn’t removed.

  807. ChazDragoon
    ChazDragoon
    April 4, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    Censorship is Censorship. This is “little”, yeah, i’ll agree on that. Though it’s also “out of fear”, via the devs own words.

    If something this little is changed “out of fear”…what the hell message do you think that sends to the ones they “fear”?

    Again, go ahead and buy it…but you’re also telling them (devs and the ones they fear) you’re cool with them altering “little” stuff that “offends”.

    Not just US though in this case…apparently they did it to the JP version too if the reactions of JP gamers is anything to go by (and they are not friendly reactions either.)

    That’s all the energy i’ll spend in this discussion. /leave

  808. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    April 4, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    Star Ocean is definitely niche.

    The pantsu in question no longer exists. Therefore, it was removed.

    I dunno about weeaboo. It’s such a stupid word I can’t figure out the real meaning of it.

  809. Snorlaxation
    Snorlaxation
    April 4, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    I can definitely believe that, and it’s a nice change of pace from what we have here. But at the same time, I know from some that I’ve talked to that Japan is very weirdly conservative in some ways too. It’s definitely changed in these last 10 years even, but lack of sexual stigmas doesn’t mean sexual freedom. They have issues with LGBT stuff, and women having sexual desires as men do, and the fact that certain Mangas are made and sold without being subject to flat out instant arrest says quite a bit too.

    What they don’t have a problem with that we do, and what they do have problems with that make no sense against everything else… japan’s weird, but also progressive in some ways

  810. Snorlaxation
    Snorlaxation
    April 4, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    I would never go as far as to say that OFTEN there’s no change. It’s a notable gap, from the onset of sexual awakening, to the beginning of the Peak of sexual virility, there are a lot of physical changes that go on. Even if a person does nothing but explore their own body, and note the changes, that can be enough to change someone’s mind about sex.

    And then for some, it’s all just whatever. They can take it in stride. What I meant though is, it’s not just about how they feel, but about how others feel about them, how they see them, and how they would/whether they would act on those feelings. It’s true that a person should be free to wear what they want and not be attacked or more likely to be sexually assaulted, but our world isn’t that ideal kind of place where that’s a guarantee, just an ideal.

    But you do have a point, and the issues with legality of certain things, like a girl sending her nudes to her bf, even if they are both dating and having sex, still counts as child porn, but again, that’s because of outside parties, and how those images are perceived without context. Plenty of people, either due to genetic abnormalities, or just because of regular familial genetics, can look way more mature or way underdeveloped, hence we have young girls nearly luring men into committing a sex crime just because they want to dress maturely with their bodies, and not knowing or caring about the consequences, free to lie about their ages.

    The laws of the US have just not kept up with the times, but at the same time, it’s not easy, what with how anything can be used to hurt someone, or used by those they weren’t meant for.

  811. Bon Babab
    Bon Babab
    April 6, 2016 at 3:45 am

    Dude, Star Ocean might not be multimillion seller but it is FAR from niche (SO4 sold close to 1m copies as far as I know). What kind of a niche franchise gets its own portion of E3?

    That’s just arguing about semantics. She still has panties albeit bigger. The shot itself wasn’t removed.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Weeaboo

  812. J.j. Barrington
    J.j. Barrington
    April 6, 2016 at 8:52 am

    Niche is as much about franchise power as about sales. It might be a pretty big number for a specific franchise, but nearly a million isn’t really all that much. And I’m saying this as someone who took SO4 home day 1, and will likely do the same for SO5.

    Yeah, there are panties still there, but they’re not the same ones. That’s the point, and it’s not semantics.

  813. C.Day
    C.Day
    April 8, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    I’m 30, and anytime I see teenage girls sexualized I feel dirty, because biologically like all men a little part of me is attracted – and that behavior shouldn’t be reinforced. Atleast in western cultures it’s not accepted and considered ‘creepy’ or unnatural. Ofcourse regardless, I’m not here to preach or judge.

    Speaking purely as a longtime Star Ocean fan I actually perfer the change. Just esthetically the original version looks sluty like she has no underwear on AND a short-skirt/dress. The new version is still tight little panties that will still appeal to the perves, but manage to also feel appropriate to the character (and I doubt she had casting signs on the 3 inches of fless those tight lil’ panties covered vs the thonge, so that argument is mute).

  814. Ariel Tzafrir
    Ariel Tzafrir
    April 13, 2016 at 2:24 am

    Ha ha ha ha!! Looks like Fiore isn’t getting censored after all! PERVERTS RUUUULE!!

  815. Matt
    Matt
    April 13, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    It becomes a big deal when japanese companies stop making video games available to us because their fans are getting pissed thatw e are changing their cultures.

  816. 如月 久遠
    如月 久遠
    April 17, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    What I think about it?? I am outraged. Why would they overload themselves of work to please fucking prudes worrying about PANTIES. Maybe Miki likes sexy panties, are you going to tell a legal woman to not wear them? Fuck you seriously, as a female and gamer i’m very offended by SJWs

  817. FiachSidhe
    FiachSidhe
    May 31, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    “You are missing the entire point of the situation! It’s not about seeing the girls panties”

    Heh, yeah it is.

  818. Taylord
    Taylord
    June 22, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    I’m a longtime fan and am not buying the game because of the black hatted character. I am an adult with children and I cant allow my family or myself to watch such perverted content. I understand the difference in cultures but its an unnecessary thing for a beloved franchise (not that they care). Probably for the best the one for 360 was just awful.

  819. Taylord
    Taylord
    June 22, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    It wasn’t really a fight. We westernized Japan and gave them technology after the war. This was a dumb business move (If you can call it that) but gave you the Japan you see today. Wealth creation was invented by us and a gift that they now beat us in.

  820. CHRIS
    CHRIS
    August 3, 2016 at 8:23 am

    Silly Square-Enix.. The game is getting utterly trashed by reviews for other reasons and they’re afraid of criticism about panties?

  821. terrance hill
    terrance hill
    August 24, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    I agree listen to the fans. I like the liytle panties and nice ass but i suppose not every character should b that way. Annes my fav in game character

  822. DevilMayCry898
    DevilMayCry898
    July 16, 2017 at 9:39 am

    So this is about not seeing some Anime girl’s panties? How desperate can one be really?

    Is it ruining the story? If not, I don’t see the issue.