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Dead Or Alive Xtreme 3 Not Coming West Due to Cultural Differences, Says Sony Boss

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It’s recently come to our attention some very interesting insight on the Dead or Alive Extreme 3 debacle this past week, and this time it comes from the President of Sony himself, Shuhei Yoshida.

In a recent interview with 4gamer, Yoshida was talking how the Japan’s game marketplace had reached “adulthood”, but they had to be conscious of their decision when it comes to the oversea market.

This spurred the interviewer to bring up the recent controversy of Dead Or Alive Extreme 3 not coming to the west due to the western issues of female depictions in video games. Yoshida replied with this:

It’s due to cultural differences. The West has it’s own thinking about how to depict women in games media which is different from Japan […] Speaking personally, if it is a representation acceptable to the general people in Japan, I wouldn’t be concerned about it in Japan. It’s a difficult problem.

Yoshida even brought up how Dragon’s Crown met with similar criticism (regarding their portrayal of women), and even attributed some of the game’s lower scores due to that.

I loved Dragon’s Crown, but that title got some criticism. And it got extremely low points in [some] reviews.

This is probably the most telling reason we’ll get regarding this issue, and it seems to reinforce many peoples’ fears of Japanes game developers and publishers not bringing their games to the west in fear of similar criticisms.

Editor’s note: Translations done by Claude Smith and @mombot.

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343 comments
  1. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    December 14, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    First comes the sex then comes the violence.
    Doom is already getting flak.

    Remember: they dont want to take away our toys.

  2. BioDevil_Dom
    BioDevil_Dom
    December 14, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    Um ok Mr.Yoshida, I just want to know one thing, you ready? WHY DA FUQ YOU LYIN?

  3. Offendatron_5000
    Offendatron_5000
    December 14, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    But the game (Dragon’s Crown) sold well, if anything it was free advertising.

    Listen up game companies… STOP TRYING TO SATISFY PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE ANY INTEREST IN BEING YOUR MARKET!!!

  4. AmyStarling
    AmyStarling
    December 14, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    Personally im offended at how easily people are offended.I don’t support censorship in anyshape or form and find it insulting when someone tells me I have to be offended and outraged when a women is potrayed with big boobs and half naked(why is this such a crime in the western world?).All that being said I have DoA Extreme 3 preodered and will play the heck of it regardless if it comes to the west or not.

  5. Ninezero
    Ninezero
    December 14, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    Dragon’s Crown is an example that these people don’t need to be your audience, I respect Yoshida a lot but when the opinions of these people outweighs the ones from your fans then you don’t deserve to be supported at all.

  6. Sam Hillyer
    Sam Hillyer
    December 14, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    How long until a game that is actually really good, and not just T&A is unreleased in the west for cultural differences?

  7. Bananalint
    Bananalint
    December 14, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    These Japanese developers and publishers have no backbone. I can’t respect these guys anymore jeez.

  8. RiffRaff Games
    RiffRaff Games
    December 14, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    Title is a little confusing.

  9. dogmentation
    dogmentation
    December 14, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    Well of course. They don’t want to risk confronting the loudest constituents of American society, the butthurt whiners, political correctness gestapo, and triggered misandrist feminists who have no intention of ever buying the games in the first place. Sony, Tecmo, Capcom, Nintendo, they all know the USA is a minefield for anything even remotely controversial so they err on the side of caution.

    All we can do is sit back while those people negatively impact our hobby, because the game companies won’t give us the chance to vote with our wallets.

  10. Siveon
    Siveon
    December 14, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    History really is doomed to repeat itself, then? There’s always some group of sensitive, childish, reactionaries that just whine about some small minuscule details (for video games), and companies just seem to lap that shit up.

    Fuck, it’s like I already read this article before 30 times. Both parties (whiners & companies) can get bent.

  11. Nin
    Nin
    December 14, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    It should have been obvious back then that the Dragon Age review scores by shitty web sites didn’t reflect what the type of people who would buy the game actually thought about it.

  12. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    December 14, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    How many negative reviews did Dragon’s Crown get? I’ve only heard good things about it. There certainly is a difference between western and Japanese culture, but that doesn’t mean you just pull the plug on bringing things over. Video games are another form of commodity traded between countries that allows the consumer to gain some insight of how other cultures view the world.

  13. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    December 14, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Is this some kind of joke ? since when is this a issue i play japanese game cuz i like their culture and the way the look at things

  14. scemar
    scemar
    December 14, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    I loved Dragon’s Crown, but that title got some criticism. And it got extremely low points in reviews.

    AND IT ACTUALLY SOLD BEYOND EXPECTATIONS

    Just get it already.

    The metacritic only matters to the casual market that has no clue what a game is about or what to get.

    A dad or mom buying for a kid as a gift and stuff like that.

    For people that know what they want it doesn’t matter, at all.

    Specific reviewer’s opinions might matter, but the matacritic doesn’t matter at aaaaaall.

    In a recent interview with 4gamer,
    Yoshida was talking how the Japan’s game marketplace had reached
    “adulthood”, but they had to be conscious of their decision when it
    comes to the oversea market.

    This is so true.
    The japanese market has reached adulthood, the western market is still a little kid that gets akward and giggles if someone says “boobies” out loud.

  15. João Carlos Honório Pedro
    João Carlos Honório Pedro
    December 14, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    That’s exactly it. DC got some poor reviews and as far as the gamers? They loved the game. This all reminds me of Citizen Kane. Press and critics shitting on something that the consumers REALLY liked.

  16. scemar
    scemar
    December 14, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    They just want to make gaming pretty and nice.
    Remove the nasty stuff.
    All the un-PC stuff.

    Only one kind of game can exist in such world….add supported f2p games.

  17. Steven T.
    Steven T.
    December 14, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    Then maybe you can understand this Mr. Yoshida. Your company makes consoles that caters to everyone. No no no, I don’t mean “family friendly” everyone. I mean EVERYONE. From the most innocent to the most violent/lewdest. Everyone from all walks of life and tastes play on your consoles and handhelds. At this rate, as the current leaders of the 8th generation of consoles, the time has come to make a stand for the people that make games on your console and the people who play them. They want, I want, Japanese made games to come here unfiltered and unfucked with. What’s two points on a game docked off for sex vs.100,000+ copies sold and netting income and paying bills? What speaks louder, words or cash?

    Consider this as a viable business standpoint you can take versus the likes of Nintendo. Heck, you can learn a lesson from what they did back then, how they lost the Mortal Kombat war early on. Imagine if we knew then what we know now about Nintendo censoring games back then (and if we were probably older). We probably would’ve been mad. And if you feel that Japan has “reached adulthood” and feel unhindered in pushing boundaries and going there, then maybe you should afford the west that same outlook.

    Don’t be Nintendo, Sony. You know your audience is vast and varied, and the games on the Playstation Platform should reflect that, not getting filtered though some “cultural approval” process. And while we’re at it, in Japan you allow CERO Z games, the highest and most extreme rating possible, to be played played on the PS4 and VITA. I think the time has come to open the gates in the US and enable AO rated games on Playstation consoles.

  18. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    December 14, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    I don’t understand why these Japanese companies are so quick to fold to a bit of criticism, and in the process, deprive themselves of profit and the admiration of their fans?

    Honestly, you might have a week of complaining and moaning, then the detractors will move on with their lives while meanwhile, your fans will continue to support you…

  19. Eldhin Hellknight
    Eldhin Hellknight
    December 14, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    that was a bad fucking joke…. seriously, fuck this dude

  20. Kraken
    Kraken
    December 14, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    our culture sucks, im ready to bail. does anyone know an island i can move to where people know how to enjoy themselves, and not whine about fun things like breasts and violence?

  21. Go D. Usopp
    Go D. Usopp
    December 14, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    A small self destructive urge in me tells me that it’d be hilarious if they banned violence because the entire industry would crash. Sex we can actually do without (though we shouldn’t have to of course) but the vast majority of high selling games feature violence. If it happened they’d literally have to see the error of their ways because it would prove once and for all that their beliefs will actually ruin games

    Of course that should never actually happen but it’s kinda like when people think it’d be fun to vote for Trump just to see how much he fucks everything up

  22. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    December 14, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    You can try Hawaii, but I haven’t been there enough recently to know if its gotten more pc.

  23. Nomo
    Nomo
    December 14, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    wow nice article!

  24. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    December 14, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    Agreed. Yoshida and company basically bought into the BS before they even tried.

  25. Ms_Fortune
    Ms_Fortune
    December 14, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    Yea I had a feeling it was something like this, SJWism is a blight on mankind and its spreading everywhere.

  26. sanic
    sanic
    December 14, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    I wish I could say I would do things differently but when ever I encounter a tumblrtard IRL I just want them away from me as quick as possible but I would try to be bolder in support of the creations of others.

  27. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    December 14, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    They won’t stop until walking simulators are the only choice available.

  28. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    December 14, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    Do you have any examples of Cero Z games for them? The only ones I’m finding are games that are rated M in the states.

  29. phagette
    phagette
    December 14, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    C U L T U R A L D I F F E R E N C E S
    SJW confirmed for holding the medium back.

  30. perfectchaos83
    perfectchaos83
    December 14, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    What a fucktard.

  31. Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie
    December 14, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    If you have any issues with this article, or think we’re lying or wrong, you can email me at [email protected]

    Just let it all out.

  32. Valwin Mediaz
    Valwin Mediaz
    December 14, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    they should stop bringing over Persona now that have alot of cultural differences

  33. Audie Bakerson
    Audie Bakerson
    December 14, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    Reminder that Yoshida has a twitter account (@yosp). Remind him that Dragon’s Crown sold a million copies BECAUSE the press wouldn’t stop whining.

  34. dunno
    dunno
    December 14, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    Remember, it’s okay to dress a six year old in scandalous clothing and parade her around for pageants on television but vidya beach volleyball is a no no.

  35. Carl B.
    Carl B.
    December 14, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    And yet,

    #1: Dragon’s Crown is one of the PS3’s best RPGs.

    #2: George Kamitani didn’t give a fuck about what anyone thought about his game.

  36. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    December 14, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    I like the subtle implication that they’re more mature.

  37. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    December 14, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    The Fire Rises

  38. Doc Hammer
    Doc Hammer
    December 14, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    Fuck, Yoshida you need to put your foot down and make the strong decision here. This guy has it in his head that Sony’s position is way more tenuous than it is. All capitulation will accomplish is communication to the neopuritan censors that they are right. They need to represent the industry as a leader and commit to delivering the games that put them on the map and yes, that means the more adult oriented games with less restrictions on sexual themes and violence. Has he forgotten that Tomb Raider put the Playstation on the map? Has it slipped his mind that God of War was essentially the definitive franchise of the PS2? You forget yourself, you forget your audience, and it follows that you cede your position as the industry leader.

    Watch Microsoft capitalize on this opportunity and publish DOAX3 in North America. Just watch it happen and laugh.

  39. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    December 14, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    Just look up violence at E3 2012, the same exact sorts were throwing a massive fit over it.

  40. PleaseHelpMe
    PleaseHelpMe
    December 14, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    this pisses me off..journalists and social media cry bullies are fucking shit up for the rest of us…the minority of extremists are affecting decisions being made that affect the majority of gamers and theres not really anything we can do about it because those minority voices also happen to have the power and abuse it and make it so that there extreme minority voice are the only one that gets heard by these japanese publishers and developers…fuck our media and social media man..cancer that are killing the hobby for western gamers.

  41. tetrisdork
    tetrisdork
    December 14, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    I hope Jason Schrier gets screwed over by Big Bill Hell’s Cars. And loses at challenge pissing.
    https://youtu.be/4sZuN0xXWLc

  42. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    December 14, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    If he actually came out swinging for 1 million fans that bought Dragons Crown, then I would have to question the validity of the article.

    This is unfortunately par for the course lately so… (sadface)

  43. Ninjagai
    Ninjagai
    December 14, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    It’s plausible that Sony themselves tried to tamper with the game. They’ve done it in the past. Anyways fuck Yoshida, I regret getting the PS4. I haven’t even played it since Infamous Second Son.

  44. Ohkeskah
    Ohkeskah
    December 14, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    Let the adults who buy these games decide. Not overage babies who cry, and cry, and cry, and cry..

  45. Jack Ripper
    Jack Ripper
    December 14, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    So this confirms Yoshida is pushover?

    Fuck man, grow some balls.

  46. Darkness Dragon
    Darkness Dragon
    December 14, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    Well so long as we can get them dubbed in English and stuff, I’ll just import ’em. But I would prefer not having to import them and get them localized instead, and even if we did resort to importing them that would not solve the problem in western economics, just shift the problem elsewhere.

    What’s needed is for you, Shuhei Yoshida, and the rest of the developer and publisher community to grow some balls and fight back. You let them win on this, and they WILL win down the line, but if we draw the line NOW they’ll never be able to win again, especially since your customers are 100% behind you.

  47. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    December 14, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    You think you anti cis ideology walking simulators.

  48. Nonscpo
    Nonscpo
    December 14, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    Well on a positive note, at least now we know Yoshida’s views on this issue, even if it is a relative neutral view.

  49. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    December 14, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    A number of the negative reviews were for the most part due to how the Sorceress and Amazon looked. They also had issues with some fo the female NPCs as well. I know that Polygon gave DC somewhere a 6.5 out of 10

  50. Ryab Fiffey
    Ryab Fiffey
    December 14, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    funnily enough that criticism of Dragon’s Crown is what got it so many sales, free publicity

  51. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 14, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    Killer is Dead (PS3), Shin Hayarigami (Vita), Chaos;Head (Vita) are among the Z-rated games. It’s a rating generally reserved games that portray huge amounts of violence/blood.

  52. OSad
    OSad
    December 14, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    Man, this is so stupid either way. Who the fuck is Yoshida or any other person to generalize a whole market as being “adult” or “childish”?

    As long as it complies by the law, feelings and viewpoints are fucking irrelevant in a market. As a businessman, the only thing you should be judging is how well a product sells when it comes out in it.

    It’s great that Yoshida can impart such wise words of understanding and wisdom about another company’s product, while standing atop the podium built from all the cash from the gazillion PS4 sales his company made. I actually hate how moral he tried to sound while standing on the very bastion of amorality he cultivated.

  53. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    December 14, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    Ah, so it was mainly just “I don’t like the art” and nothing really substantial. Polygon giving DC a low score isn’t surprising considering one of the writers said that the Sorceress was a lolicon fantasy or something.

  54. 7thlevel JR
    7thlevel JR
    December 14, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    tecmo koei should at least release it in here in the west via steam

  55. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 15, 2015 at 12:02 am

    There’s no hope left for (sony) man.

  56. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 15, 2015 at 12:03 am

    If these game companies are too stupid to let us vote with our wallets then they deserve to fail.

  57. Lurenai
    Lurenai
    December 15, 2015 at 12:03 am

    It happened a lot back on the Super Famicom/Mega Drive days when Nintendo and Sega were trying to sell videogames as products for children. Terranigma, Seiken Densetsu 3, Mother 1 and 3… Lots of great games were unreleased in the west. Seems like we’re heading back to the maturity level of children.

  58. OSad
    OSad
    December 15, 2015 at 12:07 am

    Also, I think the editors that sat through the Quick Look on Giantbomb when (I think) an 8-4 intern did the video feature with them were put off when the guy goes into a shop or something and they get smacked in the face with a scantily-clad lady.

    They have not reviewed the game.

  59. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 15, 2015 at 12:09 am

    But he is right. When it comes to anything remotely sexual the west is nothing but children, and that goes doubly so for feminists. I can’t help but agree that we don’t actually deserve these types of games despite wanting them. I still won’t support their decision but I understand it.

  60. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    December 15, 2015 at 12:09 am

    Ok that makes sense. So it really is an equivalent to AO but greatly more marketable and distributable.

  61. Problematic Prinny
    Problematic Prinny
    December 15, 2015 at 12:15 am

    Good times

  62. tccboss
    tccboss
    December 15, 2015 at 12:22 am

    Give it back dammit! Those boobs were ours!!

  63. Spectreman
    Spectreman
    December 15, 2015 at 12:30 am

    But I read at gaming media that was all a plot to justify DoA not being published in USA.

  64. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 12:31 am

    >Yoshida was talking how the Japan’s game marketplace had reached “adulthood” but they had to be conscious of their decision when it comes to the oversea market.

    “look at me I’m an adult playing adult games”
    remove insecure normalfags.

  65. OSad
    OSad
    December 15, 2015 at 12:34 am

    Oh, please. If a paying consumer doesn’t deserve a product, then we may as well just shut down the free market right now. If you agree with what the man has said, then like him, you’re ignoring the financial success of Dragon’s Crown and the potential of this game to succeed in a western market despite its art direction (maybe even *because* of its art direction).

    You’re right that feminists are children. Children shouldn’t be buying these games, so they wouldn’t anyway. But don’t lump the people were interested in buying this game with them, because the difference is as clear as night and day.

  66. Steven T.
    Steven T.
    December 15, 2015 at 12:34 am

    Not quite the same on the marketing and distribution part. Z rated games are the only ones with any form of government regulation on them. You can’t easily advertise Z rated games and they can only be sold behind the counter. Even with the strict policies in place, the games still sell very well. Sony even opened up and Adults Only section on Japan’s PSN store in 2013 where only Z rated games are sold.

    http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/24/sony-opens-adults-game-section-ps3-japan/?utm_source=feedburner

  67. Hawk Hopper
    Hawk Hopper
    December 15, 2015 at 12:37 am

    Dead Or Alive Extreme 3 isn’t my type of game, but I would want help in fighting censorship of games I do want to play. That’s why I want it to be released uncensored in the West.

  68. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 12:37 am

    The thing is though, just catering to fans isn’t financially viable, especially with games like DOA Extreme, Senran Kagura, Bayonetta, or even Dragon’s Crown. You always want to reach further than your target audience, unless its large enough to be self-sustainable, which it apparently isn’t in North America.

    Review scores can make or break their effort to make money off localizations. People who aren’t fans and don’t know any better are going to look straight at those Kotaku and Polygon review scores and think “welp, the game must suck”. I’m with you though, I wish none of these idiotic SJW opinions would deter any of them and we got to see every single Japanese game released here.

  69. scemar
    scemar
    December 15, 2015 at 12:44 am

    That’s entirely wrong.

    The industry has grown enough that a “niche” game still got a big audience of devoted fans.
    Good sales, profitable margins and a viable place.
    Not all games got to be a billion sale numbers COD/candy crush/wii sports cookie cutter mainstream title to be successful.

  70. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 12:49 am

    There’s literally no way for you to calculate that, let alone know that for a fact (somehow). Never said it had to make millions, but it does need to make their money back and then some in order to make the effort worth it. Why do you think it took so long for Yakuza 5, Trails in the Sky SC or even FF Type-0 to be localized? They based the outcome off past sales and decided it wasn’t going to be worth it. And even then Y5 and TitSSC only came over because NA publishers put their own money into it.

  71. scemar
    scemar
    December 15, 2015 at 12:50 am

    I agree he is right we’ve got an immature market in the west, but I refuse to believe it’s what we deserve.

    We’ve got the odds stacked against us dude.

    Almost the entirely of mainstream gaming media is controlled by those who would rather keep the audience dumb, ignorant and easy to influence, we’ve got all the shameless sellouts and pro P-C pro censorship groups in charge of it and that’s a huge weight pulling us down.

    The fact that gamers have managed to come up with pro consumer revolts, open backlash agaisnt the media traitors and refuse to be brought down by the SJW crybullies in charge is proof we deserve better than what we have.
    And we are going to take it.

  72. scemar
    scemar
    December 15, 2015 at 12:54 am

    What they don’t want you to know: Japanese companies rely people and groups to tell them the state of the industry in the west.

    What people think, feel, want and what they don’t want.

    And those people often lie and missinform to them because they are part of the pro political correctness and sjw side.

    That’s why we’re seeing a surge of things like this, petitions so we can show them the real numbers and the real voice of what players want or pro consumer groups like the League For Gamers that will campaign to give gamers a voice that can reach the developers.

  73. scemar
    scemar
    December 15, 2015 at 12:56 am

    I don’t need to calculate anything.
    Just follow the news and listen to what the devs said.
    Niche games are selling beyond expectations all the time, the fact that they keep coming is proof.

    Focus on one or two cases when they take a while to come and ignore all the ones that have kept coming all you want, the fact is that gaming is doing fine.

  74. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 1:06 am

    I must have missed the news regarding every Japanese game that has yet to make it to the West suddenly being brought over because apparently, according to you, there is absolutely no risk or potential downside to it.

    This is great news, can’t wait to see every single Japanese game made from here on out make it to NA, specifically DOAX3

  75. luggage lad
    luggage lad
    December 15, 2015 at 1:07 am

    If Sony wants to play culture on determining what will come to each region, then it’s time some of these games got published on PC where Steam doesn’t care and we don’t have a a board of directors of some major electronic company determining what we can play based off our culture.

  76. buddyluv324
    buddyluv324
    December 15, 2015 at 1:11 am

    It was actually Jason Schreier of Kotaku who said that the Sorceress was a lolicon fantasy.

  77. Raziel Barkrai
    Raziel Barkrai
    December 15, 2015 at 1:32 am

    Dammit, I really need to check what I say -_-” Thank you for the correction.

  78. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:38 am

    I am sure you are popular at anime conventions.

    Fine line between “I enjoy games with sexual content but won’t brag about it like a 13 year old boy” and “ANIME TITTIES ARE GREAT!”

  79. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:40 am

    And be treated as a country of social pariahs where face means everything while South Koreans are given affections for being mature responsible people in exporting their culture?

    There is a good reason why the KPOP Industry doesn’t have smear articles.

  80. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 1:40 am

    In a way he’s kinda right, the Japanese market is fully matured, and the western market is full of crybabies who bawl at the sight of exposed flesh.

  81. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:41 am

    Order 1886, GTAV, Witcher and Thi4f would disagree with you.

  82. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    December 15, 2015 at 1:42 am

    Senran Kagura is an example of just that actually. There are some who are invested in the series for the action when it gets good, but that is as far as it reaches beyond the lewd title niche. Even if the story for a few games is might be decent.

    Bayonetta and Yakuza (you pointed out 5 being hard to localise) are examples of SEGA’s money issues meaning that a console manufacturer needs to step in to handle costs and marketing. Both being much bigger titles than Senran Kagura or DOAX3 in any regard.

  83. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:42 am

    “The thing is though, just catering to fans isn’t always financially viable, ”

    Catering to the ones giving you money isn’t financially viable. You got me good. Next you’ll tell me games need to be taken seriously as art, otherwise they’re pointless.

    “especially with games like DOA Extreme, Senran Kagura, Bayonetta, or even Dragon’s Crown. You always want to reach further than your target audience, unless its large enough to be self-sustainable, which it apparently isn’t in North America.”

    Boom, false. Each one of those games sold more in the west. Your “target audience” is always the thing that matters the most, they’ll always be your main income.

    “Review scores can make or break their effort to make money off localizations. People who aren’t fans and don’t know any better are going to look straight at those Kotaku and Polygon review scores and think “welp, the game must suck”. I’m with you though, I wish none of these idiotic SJW opinions would deter any of them and we got to see every single Japanese game released here.”

    They barely matter, they only matter to the Japanese right now because they don’t know better.

    http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf

  84. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 1:42 am

    implying anime titties aren’t great

  85. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 1:42 am

    I think his point is that when the games ARE brought over, the sales always exceed expectations, and they certainly sell more than the local Japanese market.

    That case is true, I don’t always compare the numbers, but whenever I do, the western market typically sells double that of the local one.

  86. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:43 am

    implying you are in self denial that you maybe a creepy guy and have little sense of self control.

  87. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    December 15, 2015 at 1:43 am

    Did you mean to say that those games are censored on consoles in Japan? If not, I think that’s a point worth making. Pretty much any game which goes through a rating system is nothing in comparison to a five minute browse of the internet.

  88. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 1:44 am

    #3: Dragon’s Crown sold better that projected DESPITE the lower review scores.

  89. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:44 am

    Kek, it’s obvious you’re misguided as fuck, since DOA in general sold better in the west.

    Maybe check out play-asia and stop being ignorant.

  90. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:45 am

    Yes, the games are indeed censored in Japan. Copypasta from A VD thread that brought up the issue why Takagi can’t bless us with lesbian nipples like the anime.

    “Not just nudity, but sex acts and beheadings are also censored in Japan.

    For instance, in GTA V, when you hire a hooker in the Japanese version, you do not get to select which “service” you want. Also, the game zooms in on the back bumper and just shows the car rocking. So even though there’s no nudity with the prostitutes, the scene is still censored. Oddly enough, the strippers show their uncovered boobs in the Japanese version with no problem.

    Last of Us was almost uncensored, but there’s a scene in which an NPC beheads a zombie… In the Japanese version, he just hits it in the head with a knife, and the head just slumps a bit. I played the Japanese version of Last of Us, so when I saw the actual beheading in an American playthrough, I was kinda shocked.

    All L.A. Noire corpses are covered with blankets in the Japanese release. No nudity whatsoever.

    The sex scene in the PS3 version of DMC was completely cut from the PS3 Japanese version, and I heard the scene was removed from ALL PS4 versions in the remaster! :O

    I was actually looking forward to Valkyrie Drive until I saw the anime. I thought it was just nasty instead of good, silly fun like Kagura. I just felt the anime went too far, to the point where I felt a bit uncomfortable.”

  91. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 1:46 am

    “ur creepy”
    Here goes that word again.
    Typical from normalfags

  92. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 1:48 am

    Order had male nudity, obviously the female supremacy brigades don’t give a shit about that.

    GTAV and Witcher apparently were not not on the end of any hissy fits whatsoever, nope. :)

    And nobody played Thi4f to begin with.

    I don’t see anyone disagreeing with me, just one lonely person.

  93. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 1:48 am

    That’s a nice list of western AAA garbage
    Also the proof that the West is into that “It’s okay when WE do it” mentality

  94. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 1:48 am

    The fact that you would be the one out of everyone to mention ignorance is actually hilarious.

    I’m going to stay right over here in the real world where shit doesn’t go according to your wishes. You can stay as naive as you’d like.

  95. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:50 am

    And as expected from a good neckbeard to call anyone who thinks this kind of behavior is abnormal normalfags.

    I have respect for reality and know people who was on a registry to know that this is a warning sign.

  96. British_Otaku
    British_Otaku
    December 15, 2015 at 1:50 am

    Beheadings is an interesting one but true. I’m fairly sure Japan were okay with it in video games at some point, perhaps as late as Resident Evil 4. I’m playing the Japanese version of Mercenaries 3D and know that no beheadings are in the series at that point for the player character.

    Still can shoot the heads off enemies which aren’t quite zombies and actually use weapons and speak a language. Wonder how arbitrary the line is…

    Wasn’t the DmC sex scene completely clothed and barely in shot? I hear that the scene being removed from the remaster as an artistic choice, but they should have let people watch it in a menu at least.

  97. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:52 am

    Be willfully ignorant as much as you want. Numbers favor my argument, not yours.

  98. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 1:52 am

    But they don’t always exceed expectations. Otherwise we would literally see every single Japanese game make it over here with no problem. Localization-hell isn’t something that just exists for no good reason. It’s there because there are real financial risks involved that some companies don’t feel the need to challenge sometimes.

  99. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 1:53 am

    Sure, kid

  100. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:53 am

    Kek, you’re pathetic as shit. Marketing isn’t your forte for sure, clod.

  101. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:54 am

    You are missing the point, you guys are up in arms over the fact Japan decided that treating gamers like a bunch of 13 year olds with uncontrollable urges now is causing people to call them out on enabling people as a bad influence. And Japanese society is all about maintaining a pretty face.

  102. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:54 am

    It disagrees with your views that western gaming is averse to sex. It isn’t. It is averse to meaningless sexual fanservice and treating the subject poorly.

  103. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:55 am

    >Not knowing not everyone has the money for localization.
    >Not everyone focuses on the west.
    >Not knowing not every game has the money for marketing.
    >Not knowing that niche demographics makes or breaks since not every game is “quality”.

  104. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 1:55 am

    Keep it coming. I relish in how much of an idiot you continue to make yourself look.

    Edit: “Kek” – what are you, 12?

  105. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:55 am

    You are right, they censor too when they bring shit from the west.

    They censor violence, we censor sex.

    None of the above is right.

  106. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:56 am

    Do you constantly forget how to breathe, Howl?

  107. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 1:56 am

    Do you have any examples of niche games that sold less in the western market than the local counterpart? If not, you’re just pulling shit out of your ass, my friend.

  108. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:57 am

    They also censor sex scenes and frontal nudity of any kind, even bare tits is censored.

    And GTAIV Ballad of Gay Tony had Luis actually fucking some club girl as an intro scene as well as getting a blowjob.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYD-0kAmQS4

  109. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 1:57 am

    Ah, so you’re a garden variety SJW, okay, done talking with dipshits.

  110. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:57 am

    Why is it abnormal?

  111. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:57 am

    Hardly, but feel free to live in your shitty delusional grandeur.

  112. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 1:58 am

    protip: take your holier-than-thou attitude and shove it, it’s probably the only way you’ll get sexual activity this coming decade.

  113. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:58 am

    For western to eastern releases. Not usually for their own games. Usually because of the CERO, they’re just as random as the ESRB sometimes.

    I don’t get why you think this matters.

  114. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 1:59 am

    Still trying to get the higher morale ground and projecting your insecurities, normalfag?

  115. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 1:59 am

    “Meaningless sexual fanservice”
    “Treating the subject poorly”

    Who the fuck are you?

  116. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:59 am

    As in don’t act like a major creep in public. Sure banter between friends who play this kind of games but not all girls will find this kind of conversation appropriate if you talk about how you play only fanservice games and shun everything else.

    Common sense.

  117. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:00 am

    Hey, at least I can piss on you easier that way. But feel free to open wide.

  118. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 2:01 am

    A white knight fighting the good fight, who’s hoping the fair feminist ladies will grace him with a disgusted glance so he can finally get that sweet ejaculation he’s been looking for for his entire life.

    After all, he’s a filthy male and male sexuality is icky.

  119. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:04 am

    How is he a major creep in public? How did he say he plays only “fanservice games”? Why is that bad?

    “Common sense”

    AKA “I have no argument”

  120. Nagato
    Nagato
    December 15, 2015 at 2:05 am

    Nope, they simply want to make sure the creators of said toys are too afraid to keep creating them.

    Because it’s totally not censorship when you force a culture of fear upon the creators instead of outright forbidding them to do a thing.

  121. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:06 am

    #HitlerDinDuNuffin
    #StalinDinDuNuffin
    #MussoliniDinDuNuffin

  122. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:07 am

    He is behaving like one. But I am thinking more about people who actively defend this.

  123. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 2:07 am

    >women
    >actually playing video games in general
    >implying they’re worth anything in a relationship these days, without the huge risk of fucking men over thanks to laws
    Good joke, mate.

  124. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:08 am

    How can you say he is right since these games have a better market than that in Japan?

  125. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:08 am

    And we got ourselves worth a true fedora right here.

  126. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:10 am

    I am hardly a white knight, I wouldn’t last more than 5 seconds at the face of feminists.

    I am someone who was dogpiled and tortured by these feminist fucks and still suffering from mental trauma to actively say fuck them

  127. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 2:12 am

    Every single Yakuza game, every Samurai and Dynasty Warriors game, Senran Kagura, Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars, Toukiden, every Hyperdimension Neptunia game (barring the first), almost every Atelier game, Bravely Default, every Project Diva game, Resonance of Fate, even the massively popular Pokemon Black/White/B2/W2 and Monster Hunter (every single game)

    And theres probably hundreds, if not thousands, more. Granted, most of these games probably paid off to release even if they didn’t outsell their Japanese figures. But here’s the list your logic-devoid brains so desperately yearned for.

    Can’t wait to see what other excuse you idiots make up.

  128. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 2:13 am

    How is pregnancy trap, alimony, child support treating you?
    My own country also made cucking completely legal too. (no paternity tests untilconsent of the mother and approval of the court)

  129. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:13 am

    You have some really arbitrary and fucked up values.

  130. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 2:13 am

    >Meaningless sexual fanservice

    >Treating the subject poorly

    >Not a white knight

    Kek <—————–

    Kek

    Kek

    Kek

    Kek

  131. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:14 am

    Blame people having an intervention on my inappropriate behavior and trying to save my relationships. Nobody wants to become shunned and hated.

  132. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:16 am

    Sweden?

  133. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:18 am

    I followed Valkyrie Drive’s development, I can hardly be called a white knight.

  134. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:19 am

    Your group of people sucks.

  135. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:20 am

    I wish to live in a world where there is no such thing as being creepy but that’s life and it’s unfair.

  136. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:22 am

    KTJ will tell them to get bent for their feminist masters.

  137. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:27 am

    Just find a better group of people. That’s just called socialization.

  138. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:29 am

    They also make up most of the anime convention community. A small town mentality where I am from. In a big community it is easy to lose yourself in the crowd.

  139. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:31 am

    Do you care about quantity, or quality? If you’re not in a PR career or tied to PR at least, then you don’t give a fuck.

    Even then, it depends in what industry.

  140. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 2:31 am

    Niche games, my friend, I thought we were clear here.

    Bring me niche games that have not sold better than their Japanese counterpart.

    Hell even some of your examples are incorrect:

    The Yakuza series barely got a release in the west in 2005, an age where the internet barely propogated shit, it’s a completely different market from then, and when the latter games came out, there was even less of a release, barely relegated to digital downloads and zero fanfare as opposed to the Japanese market.

    I can’t go through the entire Atelier series if I want to stop typing at some point, but Atelier Rorona (ie. the highest selling Atelier game ever) Easily sold higher in the west at 0.3 Million to 0.11 Million.

    Bravely default sold higher in western countries (ie. US and europe) with 0.73M Vs 0.46M

    Hyperdimension Neptunia, on total for all games sold 0.55 in the west to 0.44 in japan.

    And nearly every game you mention is the same:

    Resonance of Fate sold 0.75 Vs 0.3

    Soul Sacrifice sold 0.24 to 0.22

    And Monster Hunter has not been sold in the west until 3 Ultimate, even then, that game is the flagship in the Japanese market, with nearly a decade of single market advertising for it to even come to this, this is the level of advertising required to get a game’s in the Japanese market to surpass western market sales.

    So no, my logic isn’t flawed, just your research skills, apparently.

  141. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 2:32 am

    Translation: “I have a black friend, I’m not racist, I swear!!”

  142. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 2:33 am

    Oh, so you’re even worse than a white knight, you’re a whipped slavedog.

    Gotcha.

  143. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:34 am

    Quality and the friends I have are solid and has think better of me since i took steps to better myself.

    And every job that isn’t a menial job requires PR.

  144. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:35 am

    So how should I go from slavedog to rabid dog then oh mighty dark knight?

  145. landlock
    landlock
    December 15, 2015 at 2:35 am

    These companies just lack the balls (tecmo koei). Xseed/Marvelous having been releasing Senran Kagura for a while they don’t give a damn about media reviews. They have a audience and they will buy every game.

    It looks like there releasing Valkyrie Drive in the west aswell. All these other things like differences in the culture is just a excuse plain and simple. it’s even a worse since the first to games have been released in the series and Dead or Alive 5 isn’t much better.

  146. Keinart
    Keinart
    December 15, 2015 at 2:36 am

    B-but wasn’t it because of *insert buzzwords*?

    This is basically another way of saying what we all know. They don’t want because low reviews and shitstorm because feminist bullshit. The two previous games and games even worse than that came before and made it ok. What was acceptable 5 or 10 years ago now it’s not, shrinking the market due to political views.

  147. rudhvelyn
    rudhvelyn
    December 15, 2015 at 2:36 am

    Oh boy this sure looks embarrassing after that other guy called you on your bullshit numbers

  148. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:37 am

    Sssshhh no one on Nichegamer wants to hears that.

  149. rudhvelyn
    rudhvelyn
    December 15, 2015 at 2:38 am

    Isn’t that exactly what everyone on Nichegamer is saying? That things have regressed?

  150. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:39 am

    You mean, you took steps to neuter yourself. You’re implying it so hard.

    That’s actually not true. Many good paying jobs have no relation with the public.

  151. Darkness Dragon
    Darkness Dragon
    December 15, 2015 at 2:40 am

    Care to clarify yourself? I don’t see an ounce of coherency.

  152. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:42 am

    Yep and I agree, the only comfort is Yakuza 0 is being localized after a 9 month delay. Doesn’t make up for how fanservice games aren’t getting localized.

  153. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    December 15, 2015 at 2:44 am

    HAH! I fucking knew it. This does have to do with SJW’S and their toxic bullshit fucking up our industry. Yoshida listen to the gamers WE are your audience and we will be the one to prop you when these fuckers are done with you. If you give into them now they’ll eat you alive. Trust in us. This is why that damn petition is important to make our voice heard.

    Not taking my toys away my fucking ass!

  154. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:45 am

    One of my friends told me he had an ultimatum from people way more influential and holds a fuck ton of pull in the community to cut me loose. He didn’t because I am trying improve my outer self.

    Honne and Tatamae, I am sure you know what that means for someone who is probably deep into Japanese gaming and culture.

  155. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    December 15, 2015 at 2:47 am

    Plausible deniability and double think is a bitch ain’t it?

  156. landlock
    landlock
    December 15, 2015 at 2:50 am

    Hyperdimension and Senran Kagura must meet there expectations otherwise they would stop bringing them over. I mean we’re literally swamped with HDN games.

    That’s the important thing.

  157. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 2:55 am

    If you live in Japan, then that’s the problem.

  158. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:56 am

    As in being known as the country known for being extremely fucked up culturally while their neighboring country is well liked with few people complaining about them.

  159. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:57 am

    Having a good outward image still counts over here as well.

  160. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 2:59 am

    Well we clearly have different definitions of what a niche game is. Or maybe you’re just deciding that none of the games I listed are niche just to suit your argument. I’m leaning towards the latter.

    And we are clearly pulling numbers from 2 very different sources, so I’m not going to sit here and argue back and forth about who’s source is more right. I did my part in proving you wrong, and that is: there ARE IN FACT games that are localized and sell more poorly than they did in Japan.

    I’ll reiterate my main point though, in the hopes that you might be capable enough of grasping it this time. If your made-up fantasy world where every game that’s ever been localized has been a success is true, then why are there still games that have yet to come out here, even years after their local debut? Why are there developers and publishers that are still unwilling and unsure about bringing their games westward?

    Because not all localizations are success stories, you dense fuck.

  161. Julie
    Julie
    December 15, 2015 at 3:00 am

    But guys, Jim fucking Sterling son told us it’s not censorship! It’s just business choices!

  162. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 3:00 am

    Nope France. Germany has apparently this shit too. Canada has also similiar shit where your gf may ask you to pay for alimony if the relationship lasted at least one year (enough to be considered as a conjugal relationship in Canada law system).

    I prefer playing vidya and doing other hobbies than having a (highly) risky relationship with a woman.

  163. Para-Medic
    Para-Medic
    December 15, 2015 at 3:03 am

    Heh. And this is the man in charge of a whole platform. Buncha limp-dicks running this industry I swear.

    Thank goodness I switched to PC. Looking forward to uncensored Monpiece, and outrage culture can’t do anything to stop me. :3 Fuck censorship and those who chant for it!

  164. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 3:03 am

    That definitely must be the case. I’m glad there’s someone here who can see the difference between selling units and being financially lucrative.

    Despite their low sales, NepNep seems just fine.

  165. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 3:07 am

    What bullshit numbers? I listed the NA sales vs JP sales as I saw them.

  166. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 3:07 am

    To you because you either lack the social skills or incentive to make your social life better.

  167. BurgerUnit
    BurgerUnit
    December 15, 2015 at 3:09 am

    May I ask what ‘inappropriate behavior’ it was that caused people to want to hold an intervention?

    (Provided you wouldn’t incriminate yourself of course; interventions are typically to prevent harm to yourself or others and I don’t see how playing beach volleyball, for example, leads to either of those scenarios.)

    In any event, I don’t see how coming here and arguing with people will help whatever rehabilitation process you are going through; I think you will find few allies. NeoGAF would probably welcome you with open arms though.

  168. Antoinant
    Antoinant
    December 15, 2015 at 3:15 am

    The funny thing is that both Koreas are pretty fucked up though.

  169. Stilzkin
    Stilzkin
    December 15, 2015 at 3:15 am

    “I loved Dragon’s Crown, but that title got some criticism. And it got extremely low points in reviews.”

    I can only think of Kotaku and they got blown the fuck out

  170. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 3:22 am

    South Korea to be precise, the Hallyu rides on how it doesn’t act like what people see as the fucked up cousin. No escapist fantasies (except romantic dramas), musicians must cater to clubbers and Manwha should treat their audience like normies (Skill of Lure is a take on the “loser gets a girlfriend and makes it so he doesn’t win her over through being “nice”, but by how to attract and maintain interest of other girls) aside from the typical manga stuff.

  171. James T
    James T
    December 15, 2015 at 3:22 am

    Rev 3 Games, Adam Sessler’s outlet at the time, gave it a pretty poor review, with them citing the fact the Sorceress in particular made them feel “uncomfortable”. I’m fairly sure Polygon state in their review they have deducted points for the character design; and I’m sure the British newspaper Metro did the same when they reviewed it.

    Granted, that’s just three outlets, but those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Just a look through the Metacritic for either version of the game will net a few reviews openly stating they’ve docked points as a result of the characters.

  172. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 3:25 am

    Dead on arrival on Neogaf, I know too well that Neogaf has a zero tolerance for anyone who holds even the slightest interest in a fanservice game.

    Being creepy is a good reason for intervention is all I am gonna say.

  173. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 15, 2015 at 3:55 am

    1. He gave actual numbers to illustrates that they sold more. You just said they sell less without the numbers given to back them up.

    2. Both of you should provide your source or you’re both pulling shit out of your ass.

  174. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 15, 2015 at 3:57 am

    There are people who want the video game industry to have another crash so you’re not the only one who shares that destructive urge. And it’s not hard to see why I suppose. Pulling a reset on the whole thing might be the least frustrating solution even if it means going through a drought for a couple of years.

  175. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    December 15, 2015 at 4:09 am

    Can we send dick pics?

  176. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:09 am

    You: I’m saying something, but I’m not going to give any data, proof, research or literally ANY THING other than me saying it’s true.

    Him: Ah, well I’m going to disagree and here are numbers on the items you listed.

    You: WAAAAH :'( I AM RIGHT I AM RIGHT I REALLY AM WAAAAH :'(

    Ummmm… I really hope you get to see this thread in 12 months to 2 years. I’d love to see your face as you realize what you’ve just done.

  177. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    December 15, 2015 at 4:11 am

    I think he should be renamed to fucking Jim Sterling.

  178. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:12 am

    You don’t realize other people in other parts of the world have different ways to say or write things? Meow.. You look like an over confident child bursting with ejacu-rage at your first boner. Dude, literally everyone else has raged harder than you so get off it, eh?

  179. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:13 am

    Someone gave numbers. Someone gave numbers that were counter to your argument. That someone, by the way, was not you. You provided no proof and you surely have no moxy to make anyone believe your Tinkerbell fairy land.

  180. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:16 am

    Only if your last name is Wiener.

  181. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:16 am

    Interesting that you decided to side with the other guy purely because he listed numbers with the same amount of sources I cited: zero.

    Not going to reiterate what my last post said. He veered off my main point by asking an irrelevant question that added nothing to the topic at hand and here we are. I’ll look back on this and feel great that I was the only one making any sort of sense in this entire thread. Last time I ever frequent this cesspool of a site anyway.

  182. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:18 am

    The fuck are you even on about? Certainly nothing to do with the main topic. Move along.

  183. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:21 am

    You: “Here is what I say, I have no proof, no numbers, no nothing. I also sound like a douche. Believe me, fools!”

    Him: “Here are some numbers and I will respectfully tell you that you are wrong.”

    Hey dude, if you can’t muster enough willpower to fake numbers at least muster enough willpower to appear intelligent enough to be right. Since you aren’t the latter, you MUST do the former.

    Also, here is a single site with a single statistic of a single image with just one single game in this discussion, because I only care enough about the topic to do a single amount of research:

    https://saechaocirculation.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/hyperdimension-neptunia-series-sells-over-one-million-units-worldwide-and-hits-five-years-since-debut-thank-the-goddesses/

    Western over Japanese.

    Now let’s get a few things clear, there are also a whole heck of a lot more gamers in the US than in Japan so it’s not even a fair comparison.

  184. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    December 15, 2015 at 4:22 am

    Though luck then. I’m actually named Richard Longer.

  185. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:22 am

    And the random numbers provided with zero cited sources somehow qualifies as proof? What a pinnacle of logical reasoning, you are.

    And incidentally, I just realized we were both using VGChartz. His numbers are EU numbers added to the NA figures. So he veered off my original point of speaking solely from a North American standpoint in order to boost his numbers.

    Keep it coming though. You idiots make me feel smarter and smarter.

  186. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:24 am

    Wow, that last point actually shows the first semblance of intelligence I’ve seen on this entire thread besides my own. Perhaps there’s hope yet.

  187. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:25 am

    kek. What are you? 12? You must be in order to think you look intelligent.

  188. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:25 am

    His argument is Western territories, and his argument is factual, sound and correct. You seem to be the one confused.

  189. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:26 am

    Know what? That’s fine. That’s perfectly fine.

    (I love sports names. Most people know the football guy but what about the NASCAR driver? Dick Trickle?)

  190. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 4:26 am

    He’s not responsible for fixing the West.

  191. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:27 am

    Kek is how WoW players say “lol”
    Jesus Christ, you don’t even know what you’re ridiculing.

  192. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:28 am

    So I provide facts and proof, which you dutifully ignore, and suggest that the comparison between NA/Western regions and Japan being unfair is the only semblance of intelligence?

    Money isn’t made in percentages. When considering total income, it’s total income, no matter how many people are in the country or how many people play video games. Also in Japan, people spend a hell of a lot more money on toys or related materials than people do in the US. But that’s another topic entirely, right? We’re not discussing whether or not it’s financially viable, right? >_<

  193. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    December 15, 2015 at 4:28 am

    Thank you for the translation, Niche Gamer! This information needs to be spread around.

    Yoshida realizes the problem with western culture at the moment and he was spot on when he said that Japanese gaming has reached adulthood. The West needs to read this interview along with the one from the Idea Factory president and look in the mirror.

    We see that more and more Japanese devs are aware of the problem. I really hope the petition gains some traction and clearly sends a message that the market should be free of ideological biases.

  194. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:29 am

    Kek is how Koreans say lol. And Chinese, I imagine.

    Do you even know where WoW gets its language? -_-

  195. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 4:29 am

    I wonder how will they spin this one.They’ll probably just ignore it.

  196. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:29 am

    Yes, and my argument (from which this entire thread sprung) is based on North America, as I stated in my first comment.

    It’s clear that none of you are capable of following a conversation, let alone an argument. Never mind what I said about hope for your intelligence.

  197. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:31 am

    Thankfully no.

  198. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 4:31 am

    Actually, you were being irrelevant since the first thing. The OP never mentioned NA or EU.

    “Dragon’s Crown is an example that these people don’t need to be your audience, I respect Yoshida a lot but when the opinions of these people outweighs the ones from your fans then you don’t deserve to be supported at all.”

    Kek, it shows you know nothing about marketing.

  199. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 4:32 am

    Kek at how you judge WoW players.

    Toplel.

  200. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:33 am

    “You always want to reach further than your target audience, unless its large enough to be self-sustainable, which it apparently isn’t in North America.”

    First of all, who in this thread determines target audience? You? Who determines whether bringing a game over to the USA is about being financially viable versus being slandered and crucified in the country? Guess what? If Japan had a game brought over that made the nightly news or 60 minutes or whatever, it’d sell.

    Take a moment to do some historical research and learn about Japanese ideology. Learn about Japan’s history in video games. They didn’t bring Final Fantasy to the west originally on account of us western players being too dumb to play it. I assure you, DOAX would be financially viable but Japanese developers are essentially saying “You guys are stupid, we’re not selling to you.”

  201. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:33 am

    You can give me a lecture on marketing some other time since you’ve clearly got your PhD.

    Just warn me so I can prematurely stand in front of a microwave for 4 hours in order to get on your level of intellect.

  202. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 4:34 am

    They are.

  203. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 4:35 am

    *Dragon’s Crown.

  204. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 4:36 am

    Cook Islands maybe?

  205. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:37 am

    I’m not sure how you can assure me that it’d be financially worth it, but I’d be inclined to hope that it would.

    But that reason you gave for them not selling it here is ridiculous. No business would say “you’re stupid so we’re not gonna sell you this thing that would make us money”. They were afraid that the SJW journalists would give it horrendous reviews and cause it to bomb.

  206. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 4:38 am

    You should truly worry now, since your current intellect can’t even get to the point of understanding that it’s just ignorance at fault here.

    Maybe you’re right, you need some help.

  207. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:38 am

    Like I said, learn some history on Japan… then learn some history regarding the Japanese video game industry and their treatment of the west.

    Then come back and tell me how smart you are.

  208. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 4:39 am

    Someone here doesn’t know how xenophobic our ol’ Japanese chaps can be.

    Pick your poison, they’re either ignorant, willfully ignorant or xenophobic.

  209. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 4:41 am

    No, I’ve already established said ignorance indeed exists within you and the other idiots that can’t put 2 and 2 together.

  210. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 15, 2015 at 4:43 am

    Kek, you’ve been proven wrong, 2 and 2 for you is 5.

  211. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    December 15, 2015 at 4:43 am

    And that’s why japan needs to take over the ̶w̶̶o̶̶r̶̶l̶̶d̶ industry

  212. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:44 am

    Too bad I left my entire Japanese Major coursework in the USA, or I’d be all kinds of Ph.D on his funny bunny.

  213. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:44 am

    My wife would simultaneously be pleased/displeased if that were to happen.

  214. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    December 15, 2015 at 4:45 am

    Is there really a problem with western culture or is there a narrative being pushed to make people like Yoshida think this? While I’d say some of the less informed Japanease devs might believe it I doubt Yoshida does considering his job and the amount of sales and demographic data he has, if there was some sort of cultural shift taking place then GTA V would never have become one of the best selling games released in the history of the industry. It’s possible that he’s just trying to save face for Tecmo.

  215. koreawut
    koreawut
    December 15, 2015 at 4:54 am

    I don’t think there’s a problem, necessarily, but the real difference stems in where the philosophy comes from: religion.

    No matter who believes in God or Jesus or .. anything .. the whole of western culture is essentially rooted deeply in “Christian” values, whereas “Eastern” culture, most notably Japan, is rooted in something entirely different (a mix of xenophobic beliefs, buddhism, taoism and shinto being the major players).

    So when people in “the West” (namely the US and most of Europe) try to merge ideologies with people from “the East” (namely Japan, South Korea, China and to a lesser extent, Russia), there are going to be issues.

    When we look at sales of a game, if a game has the perfect balance that allows it to get a reasonable score (even high 50s) but “bad” enough to get on TV as being horrible devil worship, that game will sell through the roof. DOAX has always sold decently enough, so what’s different now? Between public opinion on sex in games and the changes in DOAX itself, it’s more likely to be the public opinion. Public opinion, however, is not the only variable in play.

  216. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    December 15, 2015 at 4:56 am

    you forgot the biggest #MaoDinDuNuffin considering his kill count is estimated at 45-86 million ppl killed.

  217. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    December 15, 2015 at 4:59 am

    I’d say that there is an actual problem. These cultural authoritarians are influencing most of the popular media – comic books, art, music, literature, movies, TV and now games. They may be a minority, but they are allowed to violate the base principles of the free market.

    GTAV is kind of a special case. It is one of the best selling video games ever and it is a reminder of the previous culture war when Jack Thompson failed to convince people that games make you a mass shooter. The SJWs aren’t strong enough to topple GTA yet, but they have enough influence to intimidate companies that produce niche games – most people won’t even know a game exists if the gaming journalists decide that the content is problematic.

  218. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    December 15, 2015 at 4:59 am

    He’s speaking to the power of their echochamber, when they throw around lingo like “megaphone” and “signal boost” this is what they’re talking about, they use it and the negative response generated from it to make it appear that a negative review centered around their personal pet cause is the defacto negative review that devs are aware of.

    If devs and publishers continue to fall for it than looking at sales and the actual response is from anyone but self-important clickbait artists they do so at their own peril.

  219. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    December 15, 2015 at 5:01 am

    Not…really.

  220. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 5:05 am

    They are censoring their games in order to bring them to the less mature market.It’s not the Japanese that are giving them a hard time.

  221. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    December 15, 2015 at 5:19 am

    The content of the games themselves is not very mature on average.

  222. nine_ball
    nine_ball
    December 15, 2015 at 5:20 am

    You generally see shifts in popular culture every ten years, so will this PC-culture crap be done with by 2020? I want it to be sooner, but I’m fine with having something to look forward to.

  223. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 5:26 am

    It will be over soon.You can’t have a Satanic Panic lasting forever.
    In this case a feminism panic.

  224. DizzyGear
    DizzyGear
    December 15, 2015 at 5:33 am

    *cucking Jim Sterling.
    Since he gets cucked by that ogre he calls a wife.

  225. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    December 15, 2015 at 5:36 am

    The more the public sees it as the joke it really ends the quicker it loses all power, thankfully it’s going at a very fast rate look at how South Park has pretty much dedicated an entire season to mocking it. I doubt it’s the popular culture but a small number brutally enforcing it and praying on people’s empathy to maintain it.

  226. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 5:37 am

    It depends on a game to game basis but I’d say they have more mature themes than the West.Usually.

  227. daggot △
    daggot △
    December 15, 2015 at 5:52 am

    One thing many people forget is that it was tecmo koei that made the decision not to bring DOAX3 it over not yoshida.

  228. Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    Juan Manuel M. Suárez
    December 15, 2015 at 5:54 am

    No, haven’t you learned that SJWs are fucking hypocrites? Violence will always be fine, which is why we will have GTAX someday. Women showing skin, on the other hand, that’ll always be evil incarnate~.

  229. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    December 15, 2015 at 5:54 am

    Isn’t that just him in a drag?

  230. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    December 15, 2015 at 5:57 am

    The niche devs should stand up for themselves and exploit the attempts to influence them, if several of them did this it would be great but if let’s say Rockstar also did it the cultural authoritarians would find themselves with no power except for being used as free marketing, run all their lingo into the ground too I’m talking about having “HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC” as a selling point in trailers. Thompson and the other violence crusaders were played heavily by the industry and the same can be done here.

  231. Daniel Horvath
    Daniel Horvath
    December 15, 2015 at 6:07 am

    Where exactly did Dragon’s Crown get extremely low scores? ^^ It has a metacritic of 82! Very disappointed in Mr.Yoshida…

  232. AzureNova
    AzureNova
    December 15, 2015 at 6:25 am

    Companies really need to start remembering that it’s the money that matters. Not the opinions of people who aren’t even going to buy your products.

  233. CrusaderEsper
    CrusaderEsper
    December 15, 2015 at 6:41 am

    Dragon’s Crown has an average review score of 8.2. That’s not a bad score. Polygon and the Escapist gave it scores of 6.5/10 and 6/10 respectively and both cried about the sexual content. So we can put those two companies aside as not mattering (because they don’t) and then remember that the controversy about the game caused it to SELL MORE COPIES.

  234. Mr0303
    Mr0303
    December 15, 2015 at 7:13 am

    I agree. We’ve seen quite a few success stories from these heckle shekel tactics in Hatred and recently with PlayAsia.

  235. LaserCatsAreAwesome
    LaserCatsAreAwesome
    December 15, 2015 at 7:26 am

    If it becomes a standard tactic then they will pushed towards trying to make this a governmental issue to enforce their “vision” which would go as well as you’d expect. I imagine a bunch of articles somehow all popping up at once saying that the ESRB isn’t enough.

  236. Lea Pastillaroja
    Lea Pastillaroja
    December 15, 2015 at 7:42 am

    seriously FUCK SJWs Dragon’s Crown was THE GAME i bought a PS3 for, in fact, it’s probably the only game i never stopped playing since i bought it, the thought that these ideolog zealots could have prevented me from enjoying it freezes my blood.
    Japan Grow a fucking pair, none of your western custommers gives a flying fuck about profecional complainers why do you?

  237. Lea Pastillaroja
    Lea Pastillaroja
    December 15, 2015 at 7:44 am

    not to mention that all these cultist seem to have taken more than a couple of pages form the Marxist book on how to subersibely indoctrinate gulible ignorants into an angry mob of useful idiots

  238. Lea Pastillaroja
    Lea Pastillaroja
    December 15, 2015 at 7:47 am

    the vidya ndustry won’t crash, but the console market and some of AAA big publishers are a defferent story, those are the ones i want to see crash and burn, Indies, Steam and the glorious master race can propel the medioum forward once the anchore that is consoles and AAA publishers if let go to sink into a sea of irrelevance

  239. Lea Pastillaroja
    Lea Pastillaroja
    December 15, 2015 at 7:51 am

    DOAx sold better in the West than in the East, Dragon’s Crown was a smash hit despite Kucktaku’s whining, so was Bayonetta.
    You’re argument is invalid, the PR journos give does not affect sales in the slightest, game companies need to take a page from nintendo and start their own directs…
    And Nintendo should stop being pussies and purge the SJWs from their localisation studios in NOA

  240. Dgnfly
    Dgnfly
    December 15, 2015 at 8:01 am

    well ignorace is the newest big thing it’s all the rage for Feminist and other biggoted groups that wanna play the victum. in todays society your not even allowed to call ppl stupid anymore even though facts say otherwise.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Xtk7ALaUI

  241. chizwoz
    chizwoz
    December 15, 2015 at 8:17 am

    The violence is safe. It sells a lot more.

  242. MusouTensei
    MusouTensei
    December 15, 2015 at 8:24 am

    So basically indifferent ;)

  243. Izzy Lichi
    Izzy Lichi
    December 15, 2015 at 9:19 am

    This could be the start of the feminists creating an end to japanese localization. Are we losing the war??

  244. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    December 15, 2015 at 9:29 am

    What’s scary is that they’re going after children with their propaganda. With the way things are going after seeing these toddlers on college campus’ we are totally fucked.

  245. Alexander White
    Alexander White
    December 15, 2015 at 9:36 am

    >game about beach voleyball
    >HURRRF DURRRF WHY GIRL WEAR BIKINI SO SEXIST HURRRRRRRRRF

  246. loveless
    loveless
    December 15, 2015 at 9:39 am

    Dakimakuras will be drenched in salty weeaboo tears…

  247. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    December 15, 2015 at 9:47 am

    It was easier when it was just Christian Moralists and Politicians we had to deal with. They weren’t as deceitful and sneaky as the SJWs, who sneak in like trojan horses and then strike

    Its almost gotten to the point where I buy games on Principal to keep the media alive. Which isnt technically a bad thing since i’m a games collector.

  248. KefkaFollower
    KefkaFollower
    December 15, 2015 at 10:11 am

    I love “The Witcher 3”. I’m a fan.

    Still have to acknowledge CDProjekt was way more edgy and zero politically correct in “The Witcher” (1). May be back then they though TW will always be niche and they will never have to deal with mainstream coverage/press.

    They have shield this last games from criticism shying away from some mechanics, stories and characters. Still a great game, but it feels self censored for some old fans like me.

  249. Master Bating
    Master Bating
    December 15, 2015 at 10:18 am

    Thats what people said about AAA and japanese games.
    “They are immune, they wont stop if it keeps selling”
    But they were not.
    This this cancer has been proven to be spreading and it has to be stopped or better yet, prevented.

  250. chizwoz
    chizwoz
    December 15, 2015 at 10:24 am

    Yeah but this sold a hundred thousand copies or so. GTA sells 50 million.
    Violence is in the majority of AAA games. They’re not going to just ditch that.

  251. Obbliglol
    Obbliglol
    December 15, 2015 at 10:37 am

    This is just depressing. I was hoping we got through all this with Jack Thompson.

  252. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    December 15, 2015 at 10:37 am

    Compare any Compile Heart game.

  253. GonzoLewd
    GonzoLewd
    December 15, 2015 at 10:37 am

    You don’t have to, you already lost all of your intellect when you started insulting people in this thread.

  254. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 10:54 am

    You go from a slave dog to functional human being by realizing that sexuality is neither meaningless or demeaning.

    It’s fucking biology, A natural thing.

    And by realizing that when you say that about pixels on a screen, you sound like a whipped lapdog afraid of your overlord getting angry at being put on the same level as the lowly male you are.

    Get over it.

  255. Sentsuizan_93
    Sentsuizan_93
    December 15, 2015 at 11:02 am

    “Cultural differences”
    So anyone saying sales were a factor for DoAX3 not coming over are pathological liars.
    I really hope this doesn’t begin a trend of certain games not coming over from Sony. This is really disgraceful. Developers shouldn’t have to be using cultural differences or backlash as a reason to not bring a game over. Because it’s not right to hear devs FEARING backlash for merely doing their job.
    Bet all the people getting outraged about this game are happily dancing whilst being in denial that they contributed to this outcome.

    I mean, come on now. I don’t care for DoA too much, but I believe it deserves a chance to come over to western audiences. It has a fanbase. And a dedicated one at that. It’s just a shame easily offended and incompetent tools are actually having a more adverse effect on game localizations than we thought. And it’s a shame we have gone absolutely backwards with what is considered “acceptable” to others. Japan at least has some maturity on this front. America, in contrast, doesn’t.

  256. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    December 15, 2015 at 11:08 am

    FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

  257. TheCynicalReaper
    TheCynicalReaper
    December 15, 2015 at 11:09 am

    Good job Alexis, Claude and @mombot.

  258. Wonderkarp
    Wonderkarp
    December 15, 2015 at 11:14 am

    this shit right here is the last fucking straw

  259. anon9370
    anon9370
    December 15, 2015 at 11:35 am

    There you go. It’s the ‘games media’ that’s at fault.

  260. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 11:35 am

    To be fair, I simply used VGChartz.com, just typed in the series and game names and got results.

  261. djluke_1993
    djluke_1993
    December 15, 2015 at 11:40 am

    Here in Australia we have a shitty biased review show called Good Game. When they reviewed Dragons Crown all they talked about what the Sorceress breasts the entire review and only talked about the gameplay for the last 2 minutes while also missing basically everything the game has to offer. But when The Witcher 3 came around the female host just couldn’t stop going googly eyed of Geralt and all the sex/ naked scenes of him.

  262. Kiryu
    Kiryu
    December 15, 2015 at 11:48 am

    Clearly favoritism/double standards.It’s as if they are racist to Japanese devs.

  263. HowlJenkins
    HowlJenkins
    December 15, 2015 at 11:57 am

    How exactly you “lose intellect” by doing that? Can you explain that to me? The answer is no, because what you meant to say was something more along the lines of “credibility”.

    And even then, no I don’t, seeing as I wasn’t the first one to start throwing insults around. But sure, join the bandwagon and add on to everyone else’s pile of shit.

  264. anon9370
    anon9370
    December 15, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    The Japanese place a great deal of importance on “saving face.” It’s why they banned rape games in Japan for a while after the Rapelay fiasco despite the West not having any real power to impact the local market.

  265. anon9370
    anon9370
    December 15, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    Witcher 3 was on the end of a hissy fit, not over sex, but over a lack of “diversity”.

  266. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    December 15, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    Essentiallyn, he is saying how western media whines and complains over every little thing being ‘problematic’ while Japanese gaming has come to grips with how games are escapism. There are certain forces in Japan that pushes for violence being censored, but the industry and it’s gamers value freedom of expression there. While in the western world, some even actively fight it. What a sad state it is for western gamers to fight these demagogues in order to have a voice.

  267. Lord Nurgle
    Lord Nurgle
    December 15, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    Liek I keep saying over and over and I will continue to say it. Gamers and Consumers have to show these markets that we are worth the whine fest of the gaming media.

    Secondly we have to stop letting these sites continue to be our media its time to move forward and re-invent the gaming media in our image. Support the sites that deserve our attention and let the other burn.

  268. Lord Nurgle
    Lord Nurgle
    December 15, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    and we remember how that went on that episode don’t we!!!

  269. Lord Nurgle
    Lord Nurgle
    December 15, 2015 at 12:25 pm

    I agree its time for a purge in the AAA side of the house, but these people want the industry to crash so they can re-build in their image and I’m not gonna sit here while that happens.

  270. anon9370
    anon9370
    December 15, 2015 at 12:25 pm

    I wasn’t even gonna buy it, but after Schreier’s “OY VEY WHAT ARE YOU A 14 YEAR OLD BOY!? SHAME ON YOU!!” I just had to buy it.

  271. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    December 15, 2015 at 12:26 pm

    I know, but it is hard sometimes when these SJWs use their morality card. They intend to nag until they get their way.

  272. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    They did throw a fit over the first one, though.

    … At least, Sarkeesian did.

    Which is odd that they didn’t keep it up, you’d think they’d sperg all over a white male literally going around fornicating with every breathing female in the area.

  273. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    Well someone is now aware the tanks have rolled in to crush the uprising.

  274. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    Polygon and Escapist had points docked for it is an example.

  275. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:04 pm

    They didn’t. They closed off that market and geoip banned people. If they start noticing a lot people is importing the Asian version they will do the same stating they don’t intend to sell to us. It’s like going down the border to buy a drug they don’t intend to sell to our country.

  276. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 1:09 pm

    Fair enough.Compare them to what exactly?I mean to what studio(s) in the

    West?

  277. Daniel Horvath
    Daniel Horvath
    December 15, 2015 at 1:14 pm

    Okay, thanks. So there were instances where the game was not as well received as hoped. But still this is an exception; Yoshida makes it sound as if the game has been generally panned, but looking at the average the game did score very well. There is always some people who dislike a game for one reason or another(and actually I am not that big of a DC fan myself), but that does not mean a game generally got “extremely low points”. You can not please everyone. Or are we in a world now where everything below 85 is bad? :/

  278. Lord Nurgle
    Lord Nurgle
    December 15, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    SJWs can throw the morality card all they want , in the end money is the deciding factor. Companies are in the business of making money and it takes us gamer to show them we are the deciding factor of wat sells not the gaming media.

  279. The Prince of Thieves
    The Prince of Thieves
    December 15, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    “extremely low points in reviews”?
    It was one review from a site that is extremely difficult to take seriously, and even then they gave it a 6.
    Pretty sure the lowest review I read complained about how repetitive dragon’s crown is.

  280. Shippoyasha
    Shippoyasha
    December 15, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    Yeah. I just hope they can wake up to it sooner rather than spending 5, 6 years to crawl out of it. It reminds me of the long crawl out of 90s gaming censorship.

  281. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    Japan never had reviewers using social issues to dock points. Famitsu reviewers don’t go “This game’s reliance on fanservice detracts from gameplay value, therefore 2/5.”

  282. Daniel Horvath
    Daniel Horvath
    December 15, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    No, they don’t. That is generally a rather new thing in the west as well. But the 82 metascore is not even based on Japanese reviews, that’s based on English press. Even in the west the game has widely been praised and highly rated which shows that the very idea that its depiction of women has serious impact on how well a game is received is blown way out of proportion. The whole thing, be it in games, TV or comics is basically a thing a very vocal minorty gets worked up about, with most people just don’t caring much.

  283. Derek
    Derek
    December 15, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    That’s the point, the reviews are harshly panning on things they don’t personally like rather than on mechanics. You measure a fanservice game by the quality of the sexual fanservice, but no reviewer want to be flagged as a creep.

  284. raymk
    raymk
    December 15, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    Vgchartz aren’t reliable at all, you need another source like npd.

  285. Daniel Horvath
    Daniel Horvath
    December 15, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    There are times when a reviewer must just say he can not review a game fairly because he is not into it. I mean, they don’t have someone who has no idea of Soccer review the new FIFA either. At some point, I am just not capable of delivering a review. And among those who do like such fan service games, surely journalists as well, there should be enough people with enough self-confidence to actulally play a game and judge it on its merits whether he is called a creep by some people or not. I think it does not speak for the quality of any “journalist” to appear highly offended by forms of expression that do not harm anyone or do not go as far as to make fun of real life tragedy. The outrage at DoAX3, again a game I could not care less about personally, with even journalists speaking of boykottingt Play Asia because they speak their opinion and dare to promote and sell the “offensive” product worldwide was quite frankly shocking to me. It just showed me how immature games journalism really still is, and how little regard the very basic principles of freedom of expression have for many when the content does not please them.

  286. Mewshuji
    Mewshuji
    December 15, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    I’m reading through this comment section and seeing a lot of butthurt.
    Why?
    DoAX sucks balls. If they actually don’t release a game that’s good like Senran Kagura then I can understand. Also, don’t forget that a lot of the people complaining ARE Tecmo-Koei’s audience too.

  287. Mewshuji
    Mewshuji
    December 15, 2015 at 3:11 pm

    “Culture of fear”
    Ah yes, like the culture of fear women have to go through because men in the gaming community harass them constantly. Nice to know you care about some rando “creators” than your fellow gamers.

  288. Alistair
    Alistair
    December 15, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    If you believe all that shite about how the west depict women how does the west depict women? Well by showing them topless with nipples in God of war.

    Depict women as strippers in GTA series & the ultimate disgrace women victims saved by men tropes.

    The Japanese Devs are trying to do the same thing as western Devs to depict women but not allow to get away with it.

    The fucking agenda is clear SJWs DONT just want to take oue games away but to destroy Japanese Devs.

  289. Bedarb
    Bedarb
    December 15, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    I think the Dragon’s Crown example is coming off the top of his head but it illustrates: a) the disconnect between the traditional gaming press and the consumer in the West & b) the failure of Japanese publishers to grasp this mutual animosity. It’s natural to assume that the press who cover an artform or hobby participate in the surrounding subculture & are fans themselves, or at least feel professionally obliged to listen to and address their audience’s concerns. As he says, “it’s due to cultural differences,” though not about representations of women or sexuality. It’s due to a culture of narcissism & entitlement in the West, particularly among young people, culminating in the bizarre identity politics saturating much of Western games media.

  290. Leon
    Leon
    December 15, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    Jim sterling says theyre not going to take away my games so there is nothing to be bothered about. What’s everyone’s problem?

  291. pandora delphy
    pandora delphy
    December 15, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    Piss off.

  292. NewsTek
    NewsTek
    December 15, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    Cultural Differences ? Sony you should export the numbers of sales for D.O.A in the west and the sales reports in Japan while the numbers will definitely be Japan first western world and Europe included isn’t far behind. The difference is there but not significant nor alarming.

  293. LegoBaka
    LegoBaka
    December 15, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    I loved Dragon’s Crown, as did many of the people I know. I know what games I like, and I can make the decision to get them regardless of reviewer opinions that I don’t need to read.

    Also nice backhanded way of saying you see the west as a bunch of children.

  294. LegoBaka
    LegoBaka
    December 15, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    …Except GTA has full nudity and then some and still doesn’t care? Pretty sure no game out there has a more disgusting view of working women than that series, and it’s proud of what it does.

  295. AmyStarling
    AmyStarling
    December 15, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    How do you switch to PC?I dont understand your statement.For exampe I have my gaming pc in my room and ps4/ps3 in the living room,do I count as switching?

  296. Alistair
    Alistair
    December 15, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    There nothing wrong with free 2 play games as long these kind of games & other kinds if games can go side by side.

    Even candy crush but I got certain F2p that got sexy content take this one.

    Or the next one.

    I know I know I posted the other one before.

  297. Alistair
    Alistair
    December 15, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    In fact all this negative feedback from pressure groups will be they doing.

    The more games bow over pressure won’t be rated by the rating boards making them unrevilent, making localise team unrevilent,

    & making SJWs unrevilent & they hated be called unrevilent because they fucking Are.

    & in the end like a big balloon everything will pop. & video-games industry hit a crisis.

    SJWs “we not taking away your games just bankruptcy”

    Edit: SO FAR 2 Devs have cave in under pressure any more we hit a new crisis point.

  298. Alistair
    Alistair
    December 15, 2015 at 6:08 pm

    That maybe closer then you think I said In my other comments that they agenda they don’t like protrait of female of cartoon characters check.

    They don’t like protrait of men saving women tropes double check.

    They loath Japanese Dev ten times more then western Devs triple check.

    So what is left is the answer….

    A. games in they image like candy crush etc.

    Or B the industry will crash because A would still bring down the industry.

  299. Agent_Blade
    Agent_Blade
    December 15, 2015 at 6:33 pm

    Man who do we need to talk to about with this whole censorship thing because it’s getting ridiculous. We don’t need others to speak for us with what we want in our games!

  300. Alistair
    Alistair
    December 15, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    Dam corrected a upvote & free advice for any-one on here do not clean your tablets screen or smart phones in the comments section. ?

    Well SJWs have a 1 track mind.

  301. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    December 15, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    One that makes RPGs? Bioware, Obsidian, or CDPR.

  302. Alistair
    Alistair
    December 15, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    *last reply* because it’s late but boobies are in games especially western games. It’s the other way around western games are into adulthood as western games hasn’t got restraint like Japanese games have.

    However they did try to banned GTA but especially call of duty in the uk Sex wasn’t involved this time so they just banned happy.

    Tell you a little secret a few times over past 2 years way before gamergate started I was thinking of giving up my hobby a few times because of these SJWs hack-arse. But no if I did i cave in to them too.

  303. DariusQ
    DariusQ
    December 15, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    As long as the English translated Asian versions keep coming out I’m OK with this. There was a time when all anime games had to be imported and I guess “progress” has brought us back to that. At least Sony had the foresight to make PS3-4 region free.

  304. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    December 15, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    Oh you mean like the harassment that almost drove a young girl named “Zamii” to near suicide by SJW’S right?

  305. GonzoLewd
    GonzoLewd
    December 15, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    Um, no dude, you are the one being passive aggressive here. It makes you seem like a ten year old. Just stop.

  306. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    December 15, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    Arbiter of good taste tell me more!

  307. dsadsada
    dsadsada
    December 15, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    If we wanted to be technical, the last crash only really happened on consoles in the US. Japan and Europe particularly in the PC scene did fine which I believe Carl Batchelor and Maciej Miszczyk wrote about on this site before. So another crash on that scale would be perfectly okay.

  308. Amido
    Amido
    December 15, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    put rockstar north on this show middle finger to all and release the game on the shape and the way they want.

  309. Madbrainbox
    Madbrainbox
    December 15, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    Shouldn’t be Obsidian versus From then?

  310. Viredae
    Viredae
    December 15, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    Bring me better numbers and I will use them, until then, please deal with it.

  311. edge
    edge
    December 16, 2015 at 12:36 am

    The real shocker is that it didn’t change. It’s always been puritans and the people who want to appeal to puritans rather than let our culture move forward.

  312. edge
    edge
    December 16, 2015 at 12:38 am

    Yeah, I kind of wish for a crash at times. Make all the hipsters and SJWs walk away because it’s no longer cool. Then we can start getting new an interesting games from people who actually care about their craft again.

  313. edge
    edge
    December 16, 2015 at 12:40 am

    So off topic, we seem to have an influx of SJWish type people lately. Are links here going around on reddit or something? I guess it’s good that the site grows and all, but this place was kind of my haven to talk about Japanese games and other niche titles without all the bullshit politics.

  314. TsukuyomiMagi99
    TsukuyomiMagi99
    December 16, 2015 at 12:43 am

    The sad reality is that the more this site grows the more attention it’ll get and that includes attention from SJW’S unfortunately. Though I suspect some of them came from Siliconera.

  315. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    December 16, 2015 at 2:09 am

    Garbage excuses everywhere surrounding this, Jesus.

    How about let me decide if my “cultural difference” wants the game or not.

  316. Tyrone Jackson
    Tyrone Jackson
    December 16, 2015 at 2:28 am

    The problem is, those crybabies aren’t even part of the market.

  317. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 16, 2015 at 11:29 am

    Because enough of us are into that sort of thing, but even those who are into it will turn into sniveling manginas the minute a woman expresses her disgust. Men are dead, and women have always been censorship happy whores.

  318. Thanatos2k
    Thanatos2k
    December 16, 2015 at 11:33 am

    No. From doesn’t even make JRPGs.

  319. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 16, 2015 at 11:37 am

    Yet none of that matters. Since the market is stable even with all these idiots frothing about misogyny, being offended and all that shit.

    As long as the game is good, the news media and the few retards jumping into intellectual suicide hoops won’t do jack shit to stop it from getting sold.

    That’s why he is wrong, claiming that there’s a problem because of western sensibilities is pure retarded. He should ignore stupid minorities like that.

  320. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 16, 2015 at 7:20 pm

    I wish he would, but I have a hard time believing they’re minorities nowadays.

  321. Immahnoob
    Immahnoob
    December 16, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    If you believe the media well, fix that shit.

  322. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 18, 2015 at 10:54 am

    It’s not just the media. We even have facilities for creating people as such. They’re called colleges.

  323. Francesco Azzena
    Francesco Azzena
    December 18, 2015 at 11:29 am

    Thank you citizens of the united states of america for denying us Europeans games because of your bigotry.. It would’ve been better if your country never existed! I’m fucking pissed! It isn’t only this, it’s everything with sex, tits and other culture rappresentation. Even The Witcher came to you censored.. What’s the matter with tits? Aren’t they lovely? Why does your “society” prefers guns, segregation and hate over tits and xenophilia? If I sound hateful is because i’m really pissed!

  324. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 18, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    You’re a minority.

  325. Mewshuji
    Mewshuji
    December 29, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    >I’m not allowed to have a dissenting opinion
    wew lads

  326. Mewshuji
    Mewshuji
    December 29, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    That’s a singular sad incident and many of the people you claim are eeeeeviiiilll SJWs (myself included) were appalled by it and tried to do what was possible to help her.
    Also, come back to me when that sort of stuff happens every day to the same rate that women are harassed daily by self-entitled men.

  327. Mewshuji
    Mewshuji
    December 29, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    Nah.

  328. Drrr
    Drrr
    December 30, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    “That’s a singular sad incident”
    Ah yes, the go-to SJW argument. Despite there being equal to more abusive language, harassment and death threats coming from the SJW camp, you lot always dismiss it as “one off” whilst ironically whenever the other side makes the case for ‘this nutjob doesn’t represent us’, you pull out the “not all men fallacy” argument that it does not excuse the behaviour and that everyone else should be cleaning up the mess of one individual.

    You’re not evil. You’re just a bunch of hypocrites, full of “do as I demand, not as I do” rhetoric.

  329. pandora delphy
    pandora delphy
    December 31, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    SJW speak.

    You didn’t lift a finger to help that girl, because if *any* of you had, she wouldn’t have done what she did. And you did all this crap over the way she drew cartoon characters. Crazy much?

    You are a sad, sick individual who is more delusionally religious than any cult member could ever be. Karma is a bitch, and it will come for you, and when it does, you aren’t going to like it. The evil that you do and make no mistake, it is evil, to others on a grand scale is going to hurt when it comes back to you. I hope you enjoy it.

    In a lifetime on the net I have never seen people as horrendous as SJW and I’m a lifelong troll.

  330. pandora delphy
    pandora delphy
    December 31, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    Yah.

  331. pandora delphy
    pandora delphy
    December 31, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    This woman pre-ordered DOAX3 and owns the two previous games. Not all women go along with this BS. Please try to remember that because even though there are no girls on the internet we are still your allies.

  332. pandora delphy
    pandora delphy
    December 31, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    No one cares about you. You do not live in a third world country where women are raped daily. Or a country where there is terrorism taking place that affects women in poverty. You have no culture of fear where you live. If you want to be taken seriously take that outrage and apply to it to a place where it’s needed otherwise prepare to be laughed at as the joke you are.

  333. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 31, 2015 at 11:01 pm

    We’re not the ones that banned loli.

  334. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    December 31, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    Woman. Singular.

    And of course there are women on the internet. With the help of manginas they’re ruining it.

  335. pandora delphy
    pandora delphy
    January 1, 2016 at 11:48 am

    Eh.

    We’re talking about a very loud and vocal minority. Seriously, go and take a look at twitter and see how many women support GG. I can’t be the only chick out there who supports the arrival of this particular big titty title.

    I can tell the women who are being assholes that they’re a) being assholes and b) where they can shove it, but you have to take care of the manginas. I can’t help there. Also–happy new year!

  336. snugdarkly
    snugdarkly
    January 1, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    It’s not about gamergate. Gamergate is nothing but eceleb hunting as far as I’m concerned.

    The manginas would have no power at all if there weren’t a woman claiming to be in trouble. The entire world stops to save a woman from mean words on the internet. You know what? Perhaps I just hate everybody. Not just women.

    And Happy New Year to you too.

  337. Mewshuji
    Mewshuji
    January 7, 2016 at 9:15 am

    Given in first world countries women are raped daily… I’m not sure why you expect me to take you seriously.

  338. pandora delphy
    pandora delphy
    January 8, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    Go visit one. Come back. Tell me how horrible it is here. I’m serious. You’re brave, right? Have the courage of your convictions? Go do it.

  339. DoAExtremeIsBoring
    DoAExtremeIsBoring
    January 9, 2016 at 3:15 am

    This game sucks and the creators are trying to pretend like they arent bringing it to the west because of criticism for its treatment of women when actually DoA extreme has always been the laughing stock of the gaming world since the original on Xbox.

  340. GrimFate
    GrimFate
    January 12, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    Oh right, keep forgetting to buy Dragon’s Crown. Just ordered :D