Undertale Review – Goat Mom’s Spaghetti

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Undertale is a roleplaying game designed, written, and composed by Toby Fox. Toby himself had his humble beginnings as a forum member of Starmen.net, an Earthbound fansite. His first actual game release was the Earthbound Halloween Hack, a submission for a Starmen Halloween contest.

It was fairly well-received by fans of the series, especially due to its excellent soundtrack. After this, Toby went on to produce music for the webcomic, Homestuck, and later would announce a Kickstarter for Undertale, which managed to raise $50,000~ dollars, despite asking for only $5,000.

Undertale wears its Earthbound influences on its sleeve, taking on a very similar style, while still remaining unique in its own way. Characters are imaginative, with some insane monster designs that range from funny and charming, to absolutely terrifying. It’s certainly a pretty game to look at, no matter which way you slice it.

The soundtrack is just legendary, with some of the coolest songs I’ve ever heard in a game. Megalovania and Bonetrousle are my favorites, but there’s really not a single track that I didn’t love. Each song fits perfectly into the game, capturing the mood of the events transpiring on-screen with brilliant efficiency. The score ranges from whimsical and goofy to emotional and inspiring, and I will likely be listening to Undertale’s music for years to come. It’s just that good.

Gameplay-wise, this title is an interesting mashup of genres. When you enter into combat, either via scripted events or random encounters, you’re thrust into what seems to be a typical turn-based affair. However, when an enemy attacks you, you’ll notice just how unique Undertale’s battle mechanics are. Enemies will fire a series of projectiles at you, whether they be bullets, tears, or even dogs. As a tiny red heart, you have to avoid these attacks, or risk taking damage.

Your attacks are much more straightforward, with a timing-based minigame dictating how much damage you do. If you center the bar directly in the middle, you score a critical hit! Interestingly enough, the game discourages you from wantonly killing things, instead conditioning you from the very beginning to use your ACT function in battles.

The ACT button brings up a series of non-lethal options for dealing with enemies. Some of these options involve simply talking with the many creatures throughout the game, though this varies depending on the monster. Through the use of this mechanic, the player is able to talk down their adversaries and pacify them, ultimately sparing their lives.

The only way to get the, “Good,” ending in Undertale is to engage in what’s known as a Pacifist Run, where one avoids killing anything the whole game through. There are also, “Neutral,” and, “Bad,” endings, the latter of which is achieved when the player simply kills everything they come across. This is known as a Genocide Run, and interestingly enough, playing the game this way completely alters the storyline.

The narrative itself is well-told, with many likeable characters throughout. Essentially, the story takes place after a war between monsters and humans. Humans were ultimately victorious, magically sealing the monsters underground while they took control of the surface. The only weak point in the barrier is through Mount Ebott, and it is through this hole that the main character falls, beginning the events of Undertale.

I’d prefer not to spoil any more of the story, as it simply has to be experienced firsthand. I will discuss the characters, though, and how engaging they are. You meet up with a plethora of monsters in Undertale, ranging from one-off encounters with enemies, to meaningful friendships and bonds with some of the main cast.

Among these friends are Toriel, a motherly goat monster who wants to shield you from the dangers of the underground, though she ends up selfishly trying to keep you from escaping as well. There are also Papyrus and Sans, named after the fonts in which they speak, who are a duo of wise-cracking skeleton brothers.

These characters, among plenty of others, make the story truly come to life. Most of the monsters come off as goofy at first, but their depth is revealed more and more as you interact with them. After a successful Pacifist Run, it was impossible for me to imagine going back through the game and killing all of them. The thought barely even crossed my mind.

That’s a lot of praise for the game, though. I haven’t gotten into what I dislike about Undertale. This is mostly due to the fact that I have very little to complain about. If I had to nitpick, and I mean really nitpick, I think I’d have to say it’s a tiny bit too short, with the game clocking in around 5-6 hours long. To be honest, this isn’t much of a problem for me, but people who are looking for a lengthy role-playing experience might be a tad disappointed.

Another potential caveat is that the game is incredibly accessible for not only fledgling RPG fans, but people who aren’t particularly into gaming as a whole. While I consider this to be a good thing, there are certainly RPG purists out there who might scoff at the lack of any hardcore mechanics in the game. And that’s a fair assessment—though, I still think there’s plenty here to enjoy for someone with that mindset.

All in all, Undertale is a gem that I hold dear to my heart. I had very little idea of what to expect going in, and was pleasantly surprised at every turn. The music is marvelous, the gameplay fun and engaging. The story is fraught with twists and turns, and the characters are just so damned likable.

I found myself smiling through a majority of my time with this game, unable to put it down until I’d beaten it. For only $10 USD (or your regional equivalent) on Steam, it’s hard not to recommend at least giving it a try. For me, it might just be my game of the year.

Undertale was reviewed on the PC using a digital copy provided by Toby Fox. You can find additional information about Niche Gamer’s review/ethics policy here.

The Verdict: 9.75

The Good:

  • Probably one of the best soundtracks ever.
  • Amazing characters, a story full of twists and turns.
  • Lovely pixel art, with imaginative creature designs.
  • A unique take on combat, mixing bullet hell with traditional turn-based battles.
  • Hilarious writing that can turn on a dime and make you feel feelings.
  • Goat mom.

The Bad:

  • Might not appeal as much to hardcore RPG fans, due to its accessibility.
  • Could be considered too short, though the replay value is very high.

 

  • Nin

    >not 10/10
    inb4 shitstorm.

    Anyways, I’m interested enough to buy eventually.

  • Immahnoob

    SPOILERS BELOW.

    My personal score because of enjoyment is way lower, but I can see the appeal in this game after having finished everything anyway.

    It tackles but sometimes barely grazes interesting topics. E.g. Flowey is a psychopath because of being “soulless”, Chara is also one, but arguably, because it might have been your actions that pushed Chara to all that. Toby Fox does a good job in explaining what a fictional has-become-a-psychopath with power over time and space could do. Boredom fueled Flowey’s greed, curiosity and sadism, and if you do the Genocide Run, it’s a nod at you too, since you become the same, and feed that same part (Chara). All you do now is hunt for EXecution Points and Level of Violence. Toby plays with RPG fans here, since that’s what most of them do, grind for stats, gold, items, etc and in a multiple choice scenario, they try everything out, since they’re like “gods”.

    Every character is quirky and unique in their own way, what I didn’t enjoy is that they’re primarily too “White”, there’s no hues of gray or anything, no wonder Flowey got bored. They’re too innocent, which is what Toby Fox probably wanted anyway, since he plays a lot on people’s feelings and all (especially their empathy). Most people would feel bad when doing the Genocide Run if they liked the game.

    Characters like Papyrus which are too gullible and innocent can get annoying. Toby’s purpose was surely to make the characters feel like they did live in a bubble.

    The “meta” writing is something not new, but he used it really well. Since he’s still playing with the player (Toby is the true god after all) himself, he won’t let you turn back on your previous choices unless you go further than you should. So if you killed Goat Mom and want to turn back since you feel sorry (playing with your feelings), you could, but Flowey knows what you did, and you also do know, so here you are judging yourself.

    It’s a good game from that perspective, it tries to push you to think further about your actions. It’s the whole “He Who Fights Monsters”, ironically, you’re worse than “monsters” (the game has a good sense of humor overall, even if the characters can really be annoying sometimes) if you go on the genocide run. It tackles RPG tropes/mechanics and tries to use them against you.

    To add, Flowey and Chara are right from a perspective, although it’s fictional, if you’d also be a “soulless being” that has so much power, you’d also get bored and wreck shit. We inherently push for our objectives anyway, only that those with empathy feature other people into their equations because other people make them feel better.

    In the fictional realm, Chara and Flowey that can become “DESTROYER OF WORLDS” have no other purpose… You can blame them, but you’d not really be fair after all.

    Besides that, they’re also kids. Immature psychopaths.

  • sanic

    Undertale is the my little pony of video games, the fanbase frightens me severely.

  • Dewey Defeats Truman

    I’ll never understand why I love Undertale considering Earthbound is probably one of my most disliked games ever.

    It’s not that I think it’s terrible, but something about it just rubs me the wrong way every time I try to give it a whirl. While I wasn’t a huge fan of Mother 3 either I never got that feeling from it at least.

  • Immahnoob

    Yeah, the fanbase is fucking horrid.

    I haven’t seen so many idiots congregating in the same place.

  • Nin

    It can’t be that much worse than what the Sonic fanbase used to be, right?

  • Immahnoob

    Look at any OSTs and see the comments, you’ll be amazed.

  • Go D. Usopp

    I treat story and character as being separate (though it seems a lot of people don’t) and so i’d rate Undertale’s story as being quite derivative and underwhelming, but it was still an amazing game. 8/10 is my personal score

  • NukeA6

    I better play this game before I find out about the fanbase.

  • JackDandy

    Still gotta give this one a shot..

  • scemar

    people love the characters and the sound track and mind you they’re both great but my favorite part was how it blended shump, rhythm and even platforming during the heart combat elements inside of an rpg
    it’s something so unconventional but made combat feel fresh

  • ChazDragoon

    hope ya’ll aren’t judging a game by it’s fans…game has nothing to do with that.

  • alterku

    It is single-handedly the fanbase, and their thousands of memes, that ensure I will never touch this game with a 10 foot pole. I believe very strongly most of those overly-familiar with MLP, Sonic, or other such autism-magnet entertainment media taken out of its intended element are all intensely drawn to Undertale.
    I wish I didn’t know about goat-mom fetish, or that it is probably the most well-known meme amongst the fans.

  • Immahnoob

    If you look below, I made a semi-review based on all my playthroughs.

    And I went through True Pacifist Route, normal Neutral and Genocide run.

  • Immahnoob

    I don’t think you know much about story line if you do that.

  • anon9370

    SocJus: The Video Game 10/10.

  • OSad

    One hint to people interested in buying this game: be very careful as to where you check for whatever information about it if you haven’t finished it yet.

    I did a quick check in google to see where the game’s save files are kept and ended up with a steam community link. The third post answered the question but the second one had spoilers for the end of the game. Just something to keep in mind, I guess.

    The game is a joy. Very easy and smooth to play, it’s actually one of the first RPG’s I’ve finished in years.

  • Dr. Roswell. W

    The game’s actually not that bad. Hell, if it wasn’t for the pretentious idea that I won’t spoiler, I’ll say it’s like Earthbound 2.
    I managed to get the game from an Anon, a few months back and it’s kind of funny; I managed to avoid the fanbase because I was in that sweet spot between the game release and the demo.

  • Stilzkin

    Is there a single fanbase that isn’t garbage though?

  • BattlerArisato

    You’re right, however, the difference is in how much does it cost to see the cancer, if you look at the Street Fighter fanbase or some other calm fanbase, it’s going to take time or you will have to dig deeper to see the garbage, the same can’t be said with Undertale or other fanbases like Smash fanbase.

  • Stilzkin

    Good thing I completely ignore that shit. Judging something by its fans is stupid anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • Didney Worl

    It could be worse…it could be much,much worse…

  • Immahnoob

    The fanbase that will tell you to kill yourself if you dare make fanart that isn’t what they think it should be.

  • Immahnoob

    I’m sure there has to be at least ONE.

    I can’t think of any though.

  • ivanchu77

    Never played the game, but i know for sure the fanbase is a piece of shit sadly, on the same level of pony, homestuck, FNAF or sonic , so yeah, avoid them like the plague and don´t interact much with them, will only ruin the game otherwise

  • Dammage

    STALKER

  • Montrillian

    I couldn’t have said it better myself

  • Undertale is GOTY 2015 for me. And yes, I played Bloodborne and Witcher 3.

  • Vampok

    Reviews don’t seem to be showing up in the RSS feed. Is this intentional?

  • scemar

    Nope

  • scemar

    Strong contender for worst fanbase in the universe and I say this objectively.
    No other fanbase I’ve ever seen has people crazy enough to sacrifice one of their own, or people crazy enough to willingly offer themselves as sacrifice for the sake of political correctness.

  • scemar

    Yeah
    AVOID SPOILERS
    The game loses the impact if you get spoiled

  • scemar

    That’s kinda sad for you actually.

  • Go D. Usopp

    I know plenty, I just find that it allows for more accurate ratings. Some things have excellent characters and a shitty overarching plot, some are the opposite. Thus lumping the 2 together is something that I find limits your ability to properly critique things. Especially since different people value each differently (personally I prefer a good plot to good characters which is why Undertale is an 8 and not a 9. If it had both it’d be 10)

  • Burretploof

    These comments are great. :’D
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  • Mighty No. 56008

    I myself wouldn’t go as far as saying I would never touch the game, but something about the fanbase and all the praise it’s getting severely overhyping the thing for me that I’m overly cautious about it. Doesn’t help that some people compare it to “Gone Home”, in the sense that it helps to redefine what games are. Not sure if you really want to mention THAT game to endorse this one.

    But with that said, it’s only $10 so it’s not that big a hit to take to give it a chance. Besides, I could do far worse….like pay $20 for Gone Home?! Holy crap, really??!

  • sanic

    That’s silly you learn a lot about things based on their fans.
    life is strange is loved by people who are bad at video games and wear large framed glasses, Creepy black dudes love fat disgusting white women, children and adolescent women love minions.

    When you learn why they enjoy these things you learn what that thing has too offer and can make judgments accordingly.

  • Nin

    At the same time though, what a person would normally get out of a piece of media can be radically different from what a radical fan gets out of a piece of media.

    Clawshrimpy and his crazy obsession over GaoGaiGar (and him rating it as a flawless artistic masterpiece) comes to mind. It’s a good show, but most people who like the show don’t hold the same extreme opinion as him. And madden people who dare to think that a different show is better than GaoGaiGar and criticize it while hating most mecha shows that aren’t GaoGaiGar. So many memories on /m/…

    Figures that he’s an Undertale fan now. That’s … amusing I suppose.

  • IkaNam

    Really? People are comparing it to Gone Home?
    It has nothing in common with Gone Home except for the fact that they are both Indie games.

  • SuuLoliBoob

    Sorry, but i hated the hell out of the writing. I don’t find meta stuff cool nor fun.
    also
    >Tumblr: the game

    Seriously, the jokes and gags are the same thing you would find tumblr people finding funny.

    4/10

    The good: The gameplay

    The bad: Everything else

  • Immahnoob

    Character driven stories and plot driven stories deny this though.

    You’ve basically shown personal bias when it was possible not to.

  • Thanatos2k

    Undertale is a stellar game in every possible way, and it’s pathetic that there’s some who must lash out against greatness.

  • Thanatos2k

    Honestly, I think you need to just get over yourself. Sometimes there are good games worthy of praise that you haven’t played, and should play on the recommendation of others.

  • Thanatos2k

    Calling the story derivative is insane. There is nothing derivative about it.

  • Thanatos2k

    I don’t understand people who deny themselves good games because they’re scared they won’t look cool. Good lord.

  • Go D. Usopp

    You literally just separated the two things into separate categories and said that they deny the separation but ok…

    Alright i’ll provide an example of what I mean. One Piece has a very interesting world and overarching plot but pretty much every single character is a throwaway with hardly any development. If I didn’t separate plot from character I would thus be forced to rate the story overall as a negative despite it’s positive aspects. Undertale is the opposite. The character aspect would become weighed down by what I view as a weak plot. The separation of the two is essentially just to more accurately describe what is good and bad about a work of fiction. I wouldn’t just say “Undertale’s story is bad” and leave it at that because that would be selling it short. The separation becomes necessary in order for me to praise it (which I want to, because I enjoyed it, as you can tell from the fact that I said i’d give it an 8)

  • Go D. Usopp

    Well I mean the idea of “the monsters aren’t really bad” has been done many other times in various fictional mediums. “Killing is bad” is hardly an original concept, plenty of other games (most notably Spec Ops: The Line) have done the whole thing with playing with your expectations of video games and what you do in them, having the option to talk instead of fight has been a staple of RPGs for decades, Ys 2 did both talking to monsters instead of killing them AND mixing RPG with shmup over 20 years ago and Flowey is so reminiscent of Beatrice from Umineko that I actually read pretty much all of his dialogue in her voice (especially the Omega Flowey fight)

    There’s a lot more than just the story in Undertale that was derivative but I decided to go easy on it because as I said, I did like it (8/10 is hardly an insult)

  • Immahnoob

    You’ve just went full retard.

    No, that’s not what the differentiation means. The differentiation means that you don’t make a single set of rules to review something, you bumbling buffoon.

    A character driven story cannot work without its characters, it’s a different category, which is why you’re wrong. The plot is dependent on the characters.

    The same goes for plot driven stories, the plot stands by itself.

    You just went out of your way to deny a category. That’s like denying tropes because they’re tropes, not because they’d be “poorly utilized”.

  • Go D. Usopp

    Literally what you just said amounted to that I can’t critique Undertale’s plot because it’s mostly about the characters. It has a plot too and I am going to talk about it. Undertale doesn’t just exist as a set of good characters being good characters, it also has a plot (which I view as weak) running behind it. I’m not going to ignore that for the sake of arbitrary genre distinctions or so that I can give it a higher score

    Also kek at still using the word retard because you’re shit at arguing and have to resort to seeing if insults will make people go away (they won’t, I don’t care what some random dick on the internet thinks of me)

    Even if the intention is for it to be character driven, the plot is an aspect and I place higher value on plot than characters (as I already stated). I really don’t care what the intention was, it doesn’t affect how I consume the media

    Also
    >Thinking there’s an objectively “right” way to rate things

    You’re getting salty about my personal rating system as if ratings haven’t always been completely subjective to begin with. People rate based on what they enjoy. Or is fun not important? That’d be pretty ironic

  • RincewindtheMad

    9.75/10

    UH OH SOME PEOPLE MAY BE MAD THAT YOU DIDNT GIVE IT THE FULL 10 CODY! TUMBLR GONNA BURN YOU!

  • Immahnoob

    No, literally what I said is that you think the plot is bad because it focuses on the characters, which is objectively wrong.

    It’s like reviewing Fantasy and giving it a lower score than you would have because it’s Fantasy.

    No one attacked you for what you find enjoyable or not, but these aspects are objective, they’re logically based, “subjectivity” won’t save your ass.

  • Immahnoob

    And here you’re wrong again. “Originality” is not taken into consideration when anything can be defined as “already used”.

    It’s redundant.

  • Go D. Usopp

    I never said the plot is bad because it focuses on characters you’re just failing to properly separate the two things the way I do. When I refer to “plot” i’m referring to things like the setting, events, themes and overarching narrative. Characters are inherently a separate entity from this, though they inhabit the same “space” and move together

    So the plot by the definition I just gave is, in my opinion, weak, but the characters are excellent

    This is why I gave that example about One Piece. Because it’s the opposite. It was supposed to make how i’m separating them clearer

    If I just threw characters in with the other aspects I mentioned then I would have to rate Undertale more negatively based on the fact that the characters would be weighed down by the other elements I mentioned

  • Go D. Usopp

    I’m not wrong you’re just arguing that my point has no value

    And I agree, being derivative isn’t inherently bad and I should have been clearer

    But if I said that the other things I referred to did those aspects better than Undertale did, then what?

  • Immahnoob

    That’s because your separation is completely retarded, since this is a character driven plot. You’re focusing on the wrong material.

  • Go D. Usopp

    And as I already said, the intention doesn’t in any way affect how I consume the media. Your argument could actually be used to defend things like Gone Home by arguing that gameplay was never the intention so you shouldn’t look at it, and it’s still a good game, when really it’s a shitty game with what some might argue is a good story (though i’m not one of them)

    Which once again brings me back to, ratings are subjective. I am going to rate including the plot even if it wasn’t the intention because I care about it. Some people rate including graphics. I don’t, because I don’t care

  • Immahnoob

    Then your review is irrelevant, you’re not reviewing it for what it is, you’re reviewing it for what you would have wanted it to be.

    And by the way, why do you think using that analogy changes anything?

  • Immahnoob

    Which is why you’re wrong. It not being original is irrelevant. It’s a non sequitur.

    I also don’t believe you understand context and plot really well if you think those examples are any good.

  • Go D. Usopp

    All reviews are only relevant to those who give them relevance, so that statement really doesn’t mean anything at all

  • Go D. Usopp

    Not being original in itself is irrelevant but if something has been done before then you have a frame of reference by which to rate how well the new thing did it comparatively. Which is why I said that I think most of the examples of Undertale’s derivative aspects I gave have been done better before. Since ratings are relative, Undertale would thus have to be rated lower than those other games in each of these respective aspects. So to me 9.75 is too high for a game that is outshone at pretty much everything it does (even if not all in the same game)

  • Thanatos2k

    If all you took away from the story was “monsters aren’t really bad” and “Killing is bad” I really question whether you completed the game at all.

  • Go D. Usopp

    You’re free to question it all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that I did. I mean there was also some nakama power stuff in there I suppose but the rest of it was all the character stuff and I already went over how and why I separate that from plot in other posts (not that I expect you to agree, ratings are subjective and you can rate it however you want)

    Also I don’t get why both of you are replying as if i’m regarding the game poorly. I’m still praising it pretty highly with an 8 even if I have some criticisms. All i’m really saying is that it’s not “omg best game ever” or particularly original, in my own personal view based on my own subjective rating system

  • Maria Maasaa

    >Might not appeal as much to hardcore RPG fans
    I’m a hardcore RPG fan and I love the game. It’s an RPG you can relax with. Like Final Fantasy Mystic Quest or Earthbound. It doesn’t ask too much of you unless you want to. Then it gives you all it’s got. I’m looking at you Undyne.

  • Cody Long

    It’s because I’m cishet scum );

  • Cody Long

    You guys are my OTP.

  • Cody Long

    To each their own! Still happy you read the review. I celebrate your ability to disagree.

  • Shay Bryder

    I don’t even like the gameplay. Why do I have to dodge shit in a stupid mini-game? Why can’t I select commands? They’re as annoying and pointless as QTE’s.

    It would be okay for boss fights, but doing it in every MUCH too frequent random battle is ridiculous.

    Random battles are only fun and acceptable when the battle system is fun. The “encounter” system here is “do what the game wants or it makes you feel bad” and I hate games that discourage me from doing what I want. The game tries to strong-arm the player emotionally and its obnoxious.

  • deadeye

    I really wish I had gotten this game before it blew up. The constant screaming in my ear that this is the greatest game of all time just really turns me off.

    And through just osmosis, I already know the games whole twist and all that.

    I’m sure it’s a fantastic game, but the internet killed any kind of desire I would’ve had to play it. I already know the games hook, so what’s the point?

  • RincewindtheMad

    Yes that aswell. TBH, I would personally give a few points off and the highest I would rate it is an 8 out of 10 or 7 out of ten.

  • SuuLoliBoob

    I’m happy that you can accept my opinion. :D

    Enjoy your gaming :3

  • SuuLoliBoob

    Ya, that’s another grudge i have with the game. “You better play it this way first, or else it will hurt your chance with this later on” is the worst kind of way in my opinion to make a game and write a story about it.

  • Stilzkin

    Still, you shouldn’t completely dismiss something only because of the fans without trying it yourself

  • Mighty No. 56008

    “Get over yourself”?

    Hey, like I said I just feel there’s something different regarding how this game is being praised. Like as if it’s disingenuous, exaggerated or even sarcastic to certain extent. Never said that the game looks like garbage or that I would never give a chance.

  • Mighty No. 56008

    Yeah, the comparison is VERY loose.

  • Furluge

    We’re all waging a war against this game, right? I mean Patricia Hernandez told me we were so it must be true! /sarcasm

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    I’d like to see “Sanity” mod of this game where after the ruins instead of just telling you to go on your way Toriel gives you a taser. Seriously, all these things trying to kill you deserve to be tazed. Not to mention Asgore murdered six kids and in the pacifist run, hey, all is forgiven. Said mod should have you breaking the barrier and then dragging his child murdering ass jail. After tazing him of course.

  • ArsCortica

    I very much like the game, but its true – the fanbase has more freaks than that of Sonic the Hedghehod and Five Nights at Freddy’s combined. It’s scary. And it keeps growing.

  • Josh

    Ironic since they’re the ones whose lives are worthless and serve no purpose.

  • Josh

    The game has good music and some enjoyable moments but overall I feel it just failed to be more than the sum of its parts. I actually didn’t like many of the characters as they constantly tried their hardest to endear themselves to me and I just didn’t find them all that funny or witty. It felt goofy and fake and I found a lot of the jokes really immature and dumb.

    I disagreed with the game’s overall social message and felt that it was trying to force me to feel what it wanted me to feel. It felt to me like it was trying to manipulate me into a certain way of thinking, through stigma and attempted emotional blackmail, and that actually made me hate it. I don’t think I’m some sort of psychopath because I enjoy killing enemies in games, and I resent the implication that I am desensitized or lesser because of it.

  • Superscooter

    I’m so glad I was looking forward to this game for two years and played it on release day. Easy GOTY for me. Sucks for guys like you.

  • Superscooter

    be quiet mouthbreather

  • Superscooter

    Grinding and length.

  • Superscooter

    Wew led. You’re so overly concious you’re wearing a fedora anyway.

  • Thanatos2k

    “All i’m really saying is that it’s not particularly original”

    You’re wrong though. These kind of criticisms are baffling. I mean, how many JRPG stories use saving and loading of your save data as part of their story? Really, name them. Nier, maybe? At the very end? And….?

  • Obbliglol

    I loved this game and consider myself a big fan of it. Unfortunately it’s attracted a rather annoying fanbase, but you can’t judge a game by its fanbase. Honestly thought it would knock Bloodborne off the top spot this year for me, but then Old Hunters came out, so BB keeps GOTY.

    I loved the FFVI opera parody, such a warm-hearted nod to the old JRPGs Fox clearly loves.

  • Go D. Usopp

    Plenty of games have acknowledge your save data (the most famous of which being the Psycho Mantis fight in Metal Gear). It doesn’t matter how specifically it did it, it’s essentially just 4th wall breaking “meta” stuff. Which is ground that’s been thoroughly covered and done better. Also one aspect doesn’t make an original game

    And once again, you seem to be under the impression that i’m suggesting it makes Undertale bad but as I said, i’m still praising it highly so I don’t see what you’re up in arms about. Sounds pretty defensive to me

    Also specifying JRPGs to remove all the games in other genres that do this 4th wall meta stuff? lol

  • Envy Noson

    As a MLP fan myself I have to agree, the problem is Undertale feels like the SJWs took over the fandom.

  • Thanatos2k

    “Plenty of games have acknowledge your save data”

    That’s a joke though. In universe, Snake does not like Suikoden. Hardly even close to the same thing since in Undertale it’s NOT 4th wall breaking.

  • Go D. Usopp

    The only way for it to not be 4th wall breaking in Undertale is if the world of Undertale somehow has save data in it and that’s a natural part of that world. Which is frankly absurd

  • Thanatos2k

    Did you play through a Genocide run….?

  • Go D. Usopp

    No but I’ve read about it and it breaks the 4th wall all the more, even directly referring to people outside of the game as “watching it happen”

  • Josh

    What’s pathetic is that people like you can’t understand that not everyone is going to have your exact opinion.

  • alterku

    It’s not about “looking cool,”, it’s about avoiding the increasing amounts of cringe I’d feel while playing the game. You know, that same feeling most people get while watching AGDQ. Fun to watch someone acting like that, not fun to play something that encourages it.

  • alterku

    Nice meme sir. You’re wrong though, I’m not a light-emitting diode.

  • alterku

    Yeah, my sentiments exactly. Just try to ignore the insistence from those WAY too into these kinds of things and play what you want. Seems like there’s little to this but light/dark/ neutral routes, ok/decent storytelling, thousands of memes, Earthbound style graphics and some “shmup”ing.

  • alterku

    My gut has kept me safe from the dozens of bad Sonic games, and only bothering with the decent ones (Colors, Generations, but neither one was fantastic). Sonic hyper-fans will eat up any game even if it’s a turd. Gotta be careful with games that have fanbases which are so enthusiastic that it hurts to watch them interact.

  • OSad

    I actually think some editors on Giant Bomb also showed their discontent for the game on a podcast because of the same reason: seeing people discuss a game and make mention to how great it is all the time is fine and might even make you want to play it, but when people are constantly telling you to play the game, you get turned off from it.

    I don’t really think it’s something to be bothered about, but I guess I managed to “avoid” the surge in fanbase for this game by playing it just last week. I still think that even if you’re not interested in playing it, it might be worth it to check out a playthrough on Youtube for the genocide run if you haven’t seen it yet, which is a really interesting, stark contrast of the actual run you’re supposed to gun for on your first playthrough, with some frantic bosses you wouldn’t get normally on the way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mh1cXlulrc

    Slowbeef has a great run with commentary up where one of the developers (around part 4, or just before the end of waterfall I think) who was brought on board to help design bosses makes an appearance and comments on some things about Toby, the creator, the decision to use Game Maker, and one of the causes that might’ve spurred the game into popularity.

    Ultimately… I feel sorry if anyone got spoiled and turned off the game before they had a chance to play it, because I do think that despite some flaws, it grabs you and takes you for a ride.

  • Thanatos2k

    Why would you cringe when playing a good game? Why would you watch others play games instead of playing them yourself?

  • Thanatos2k

    Years from now, we’ll look back on the people who hate Undertale like the people who bash on something like Chrono Trigger or Planescape Torment. Their “opinions” are to be easily ignored.

  • Thanatos2k

    So you don’t know what you’re talking about….?

  • Go D. Usopp

    I know exactly what i’m talking about you’re just getting abnormally defensive over a difference of opinion. It doesn’t really matter how one frames it. You can provide an in-universe justification for 4th wall breaking meta nonsense but it hardly changes what it is. If it wasn’t meant to be that then he wouldn’t have called it saving, it’s obvious what it is

    And once again, it’s not as if I tried to convince you that my opinion of the game was right, yet here you are doing that. I’m sure you also wonder why people dislike the Undertale fanbase… kek

  • Josh

    I’m guessing the “2k” in your name indicates the year you were born.

  • alterku

    ? I don’t know that it’s a good game. I have critics and over-excited fans saying it’s good, usually in language that is close to English but too full of memes to take seriously. Lots of bad games get good reviews too; you can’t deny that. I don’t recall saying I’d watch it being played either. As for your last question, the art style, gameplay, characters, and story don’t attract me, and it attracts those whose tastes I rarely share.

  • Thanatos2k

    I’m not a critic. I’m telling you it’s good. If you like JRPGs there is no reason why you wouldn’t like the game.

  • Thanatos2k

    No, that indicates that anytime I try to get Thanatos as a user name, it’s already taken. It indicates the time I started heavily using the internet. Nice try, kid.

  • Thanatos2k

    You’re the one sounding awfully defensive trying to attack stuff in a part of the game you never even played. It’s getting pathetic at this point.

  • Josh

    That’s not the impression your comments give. Your dissertations on this game and people who dislike it are those of an idiotic, post-millennial baby. Yours is exactly the sort of autism that makes people hate this game and its fans, hate that is well deserved, for this game is trash designed to appeal to manchildren.

  • Go D. Usopp

    Attacking and critiquing are hardly the same thing. And you don’t think you’re defensive. Hysterical

    I never even said the game was bad and, once again, praise it pretty highly. But sure i’m attacking it and you’re not just salty that I didn’t give it a higher score even though you really shouldn’t care what I think at all

  • Superscooter

    The game doesn’t have memes.

  • Superscooter

    How is it obnoxious? It’s literally never mentioned until the end.

  • Thanatos2k

    I don’t care what score you give it, but some of your complaints are nonsensical and in some cases, ignorant because you didn’t play the game. You immediately got defensive. But by all means continue to project.

  • Thanatos2k

    We got a arm chair psychologist here, folks!

    You do know the moment you try and cry autism you just look like a retarded moron, right? It’s the new Godwin.

    If you hate the game because of its fans and not the game itself, you’re possibly the biggest “adult baby” there is. I mean, you clearly didn’t even play the game, so whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

  • Go D. Usopp

    I played it and then read about the genocide route because while the game was good, it certainly wasn’t good enough to warrant 2 playthrough

    Does having read about it instead of playing it limit my understanding? Of course not, you’d have to be an idiot to think that it’s impossible to parse the information the same way from a different source

    You’re a butthurt fanboy, as evidenced from another comment chain of yours on this article

    Also “didn’t play the game” kek not playing 1 route = didn’t play it at all, totally reasonable, definitely not an idiot

  • Josh

    Yeah, see, that raging backlash at the mere mention of autism proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have it. Of course it was already established with you making massive generalizations about people based on the types of games they do or don’t play which is also something that only autistic people do. I really don’t care whether you think it’s “the new Godwin” or not. The shoe fits.

    You have no basis for claiming whether or not I played the game, this is merely an assumption on your part. I have played the game in its entirety and do find it quite overrated. The point is I disagree with you that it’s as good as you say it is, which according to you is grounds for dismissal of anything I say. Outright dismissing someone simply for having an opinion different from yours is textbook autism and adult infantilism and I don’t care how you attempt to handwave it away because that’s what is written all over your face.

  • Thanatos2k

    Hahahah “raging backlash.” Dude, there’s not a spec of anger, I am laughing my ass off at you and your “diagnosis.”

    One day, you’ll find that all your failed debates on the internet won’t be solved by accusing everyone of being autistic. Maybe after you grow up. Enjoy your delusions! = )

  • Thanatos2k

    “I played it and then read about the genocide route because while the game was good, it certainly wasn’t good enough to warrant 2 playthrough”

    Wait, you didn’t even see the good ending? ….You haven’t even played a third of the game! Yeah I think we’re done here. You REALLY don’t know what you’re talking about. There’s no point in arguing with someone who thinks they’re right when you know for a fact they’re not.

  • Josh

    Aaaand here are the classic “dude i’m laughing my ass off” chestnuts that autistic retards throw out in a pitiful and desperate attempt to assert control of the situation when they start losing. That’s all the proof I need that you’re ~15 years old.

    Here’s a tip, shit for brains, if you’re going to language police people for factually describing you as autistic, maybe you shouldn’t use the word “retarded” to make yourself look like a massive hypocrite with no self-awareness (which again is autism typified).

  • Thanatos2k

    You know, you seem rather fixated with autism and insulting others. Perhaps you need to get that checked out.

    Retard.

  • Josh

    Man, really trashed your brain coming up with that one. I can tell you just meandered at the computer for a while thinking on what to say next.

    Autistic dipshit.

  • Thanatos2k

    Love you too, retard.

  • Josh

    Gotta get one last passive aggressive shitpost in there! Your autism demands it!

  • Go D. Usopp

    I did see the good ending, I have no idea where you inferred that from. Getting it doesn’t take an entire second playthrough you literally just do the end again. Nice jump to that conclusion there though. Gold in the mental gymnastics

    I dunno whether or not to be impressed by how much of an accomplishment your stupidity is. Also kek at continuing to imply it’s impossible to know about a thing without playing it. You do know that lets plays and walkthroughs exist right???

  • Thanatos2k

    Projecting again. Which you’ll confirm by responding to this.

  • Josh

    Sorry but your half-witted catch all defenses won’t work on me. You’re still the one who has autism. Hey look, I can do it too: reply to this post to confirm that you’re a shit eating manbaby.

  • Jettythesunfish

    Yeah, this is pretty much why some folks have avoided Undertale and it’s fanbase in the first place.

  • Galbador

    At least it is not a 10/10!!! Honestly, it is an average game, nothing else.

  • Galbador

    THIS!!!!

  • NuclearKangaroo

    i actually really like that show

    what i will say may not change your opinion but take into consideration that its the tumblr section of the fanbase the one that is absolutely cancerous

  • SiliconNooB

    The fanbase is why I want nothing to do with it. They seem like a bunch of rabid Tumblr freaks.