NeoGAF Re-Opens #GamerGate Discussion After Originally Mass-Censoring the Topic

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Following the mass exodus of moderators and censorious users at NeoGAF, the once massive internet gaming forum has had something of a rebirth. What’s more, the community has even re-opened discussion (with the approval of its owner) on the once banned, mass-censored topic of #GamerGate, the consumer revolt against bad practices and corruption in the gaming industry.

While the discussion has been opened once again, some users are still under the impression that the movement was used as a device to say “games that don’t fit my viewpoint shouldn’t exist,” which typically was never the case. However, it’s refreshing to see many once never-GamerGaters saying they’re open to be convinced otherwise, now that the cancerous users have moved on.

The three key points discussed in the thread are:

  1. Games are about fun, not political agenda
  2. Facts over feelings
  3. Censorship is always bad

NeoGAF owner Tyler Malka even condemned infamous pundit and perpetual self-professed GamerGate-victim Anita Sarkeesian, saying her “videos aren’t the greatest,” and her attempt at “feminist film criticism” is literally “trash,” going on to say her “misogynist” critique of Mad Max: Fury Road “sealed the deal” for him. He even criticized “overly forced diversity,” wishing more movies and games had authentic balance with representation of minorities.

Regardless of how you feel about Anita or GamerGate-instigator Zoe Quinn, Malka did say that harassment isn’t cool and that no one should need FBI protection from “an army of internet trolls.” Previously, even mentioning GamerGate in anything other than a repulsed or disgusted attitude resulted in bans or threads being closed.

How do you feel about GamerGate, over three years since its beginnings in August of 2014? Should the topics commonly discussed in that movement be openly debated? Sound off in the comments below!

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  • RoReaver
  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    dude was practically the leader of SJWs years ago, and hes now embracing free speech while condemning the empire he helped create?

    This guy is like an irl Darth Vader.

  • Renaissance_nerd

    GG lives forever, as long as there is corruption in the industry.

  • CommanderZx2

    Anyone falling for this? It’s Neogaf, it’s just a trap to ban people they don’t want on the board.

  • Phasmatis75

    He’s trying to stay relevant. He sees the writing on the wall for the left and social justice and is positioning himself to be on top when culture shift fully happens. He’s still the same person he was back then, just catering to whom he sees as the new dominant power.

  • Phasmatis75

    SJWs abandoned him (after kicking him, spitting on him, and a minor accusation of being a sex pest after he supported people who had real child pornagraphy) and now he wants to cater to whom he thinks will help him get back on top.

  • Snorlaxation

    I don’t know enough about any of this to have a real opinion on the topic, but those 3 criteria sound pretty solid.

  • Pill Dickle
  • Tactically speaking, GamerGate can use this to its advantage. Provide the counter-narrative to the shit they’ve been fed all these years, and let any users still on GAF mull over the information and eventually change their perspectives. Imagine the irony: the biggest anti-GamerGate hub being taken over and repurposed as a tool to push for better ethics in gaming journalism, and a chance to red-pill normies and SJWs. Not only would this gain us more supporters, but it’s a sign of goodwill and a willingness to discuss the issues from 2014 and onward.

    I for one am interested in seeing where this goes.

  • DariusQ

    He must need the hits bad. Not falling for it.

  • MusouTensei

    IT’S A TRAP!

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    if only SJWs were actually losing the culture war

  • disqus_6DwfESMiOF

    “Too little, too late” comes to mind. Malka had no qualms about letting his mods run roughshod over his site. In all those years he never put his foot down as owner. It is only now, that the he has been branded with a scarlet letter and the majority of staff has fled, that he re opens a discussion that always should have been open. If this is genuine, it’s cowardly as hell. I’ll think about forgiving EvilLore when this discussion has been open on the site for as long as it was banned. So call me 3 years and some from now.

  • Donwel

    You could see it coming from a mile away that a few anons were going to move in after the rot left. The only issue now is if Malka will keep to his word or whether gaf goes down the pit again.

  • Mr0303

    Too little too late. The GamerGate discussion is nearly dead bar a couple of literally who-s appearing from time to time. This is a cynical attempt to have some audience. At least he realised that there is no forgiveness among SJWs.

  • Feniks

    I never did understand what the culture wars of GG was about. I thought it was about mainstream games media and their ties to a completely morally bankrupt industry. Which to me seemed so completely self-evident at the time that I couldn’t fathom why that would be remotely controversial.

    But it is over now, gamers are all dead. Nothing matters anymore.

  • Travis Touchdown

    He still owns NEOgaf.

    Don’t believe his lies.

  • I don’t know enough about any of this

    TL:DR – SJWs and feminists infiltrated, took over and ruined Western video games and censored/shut down anyone who opposed them

  • CrusaderEsper

    The irony is that it was the SJWs that wanted games they didn’t like to not exist… as evidenced by their constant cries to get things censored or banned because anime titties. Most hardcore gamers will look at tripe like Gone Home, point at it, laugh, tell people it’s a garbage walking simulator, and then move on. No one cares if bad games exist. We just think people are stupid for playing them.

  • Sckarton

    Wait what? Pedogaf still a thing

  • JohnnyCageFan2

    But Darth Vader was cool though.

  • RichardGristle

    Looked at it for 3 seconds and got AIDS.

    More like “anti-Gaymergator thread is a huge circlejerk and you will probably get banned if you post anything but hyperbole or lies against it”.

  • grgspunk

    Dude, avoid this like the plague. Don’t give the remaining SJWs there the impression that they deserve to have their opinions heard by you.

  • RichardGristle
  • John Smith

    He wants Gamergate to defend him since all his communist friends turned on him

  • PaRaLLaXTHeTiCS

    Nah

  • PeacefulAssassin

    So do they finally realize than pandering to SJWs does not work?
    If they did I still would avoid them for how they treated those with even a mild conservative view on anything.

  • David Curry

    Malka cares about ad revenue income, and about feeling important. Just like how a year ago he’d personally delete members (not ban, delete the account) who voiced anti-GG sentiment, he’ll put his support behind whatever direction the wind blows in order to reach his goals and fulfillment.

  • Uncle Ocelot

    This whole thing is so weird.

  • NEOGAF is dead so why visit a corpse?

  • DryvBy

    Any idea should be up for debate and allowed. Don’t silence people if you can’t come up with answers though.

  • Agreed. Malka has made good steps so far – he still needs to actually apologize, but for now… – but if he slips back into his old ways, we cut him loose.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    HAHAHAHAAAAAA
    that # is dead and burried, most of the people who were involved in it don’t even need it to dispence redpills across the web
    they’re wasting their time

  • random

    What a horrible colour scheme.

  • No_Good_Names_Ever

    Anyone still there or willing to go back would rather lay down and wait for their death than fight for what they love.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08e27fdc57c1341a2ce32c88f04f65ae4d7fab652a6b6d8eebac3d3e93c96e8d.png

  • No_Good_Names_Ever

    GG lives forever, as long as there’s SJWs with no one to blame something on.

  • No_Good_Names_Ever
  • >neogaf
    they still exist?

  • JasonBall

    Censorship is not always bad though?

  • Z3DH

    I still don’t understand why it is hard for people to understand that inciting public outrage doesn’t entitle you to being shielded from public opinion. If you’ve angered an army of internet trolls, odds are you did something to earn that honor.

  • Phasmatis75

    It looks like they aren’t because they have converged a lot of industries, but when you look at statistics they are a significant economic blocks and only operate because of outside funding.

  • Qwaserzero

    NeoGAF what’s that ? Some SJW gathering forum board ?

  • Dawn Blast

    The planet the bridge was on was exterminatused long ago

  • Sean Sharpe

    I still think GamerGate was one of the silliest things that the internet ever made a big deal about. I mean, I’d be all for ethics in gaming journalism if gaming journalism actually existed. I mean, it’s an industry where Nintendo Power existed; a magazine published by Nintendo themselves. Even independent magazines were historically little more than gloried ‘zines.

    I feel the same way I do back then. The only one that really won was Zoe Quinn’s ex-boyfriend, who got to his ex squirm for a little bit. Gamers certainly didn’t win, since it further cemented perception that we’re all a bunch of basement dwelling social rejects. Gaming press sure as hell didn’t benefit either… It just further segmented gamers to just go to their own personal echo chambers and stopped any chance over real debate.

  • Sean Sharpe

    To be honest, no one is really winning the culture war. Both sides think they make progress, but people who aren’t taking part of it don’t really care one way or another. It’s just like politics… The vast majority of people fall somewhere between the two extreme that get presented by the media.

  • Exactly. The fact that SJWs have taken over and have complete control of Western mainstream media, news media, newspapers, academia, education, politics, government, entertainment media, Social Media, TV, Hollywood, campaigns, women’s groups, institutions, organizations, etc. shows that they are not losing, but actually winning.

    They use the above sectors to dictate their own terms of what is “acceptable” and “unacceptable” in Western culture and shape Western society into their ideology. And unfortunately it’s working for the most part.

    There’s been a lot of push-back against SJWs/feminists on the Internet for the last few years, but that’s as far as it goes. The SJWs are the ones who have control of the most important sectors in real life and that is the difference.

  • Crizzyeyes

    Yeah, I’m fairly certain he is just bending the way the wind blows. Being an obnoxious SJW was popular with his userbase before; surprise, surprise, now it’s not. I don’t really have any interest in defending the Gamergate position to them on their own board years later. What is there even left to discuss?

  • Crizzyeyes

    “and only operate because of outside funding”
    You say that like it’s a good thing.
    Academia, Hollywood and the mainstream news are at an extreme low point for public trust. They are losing because they were bound to lose because their methods are unsavory and obnoxious.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    except SJWs observably have a far tighter grip on media and entertainment, people like me who oppose them have to hide out in pockets like this site.

  • bgrunge

    Sounds like someone needs his daily dose.

  • Sean Sharpe

    Not really.

    I mean, sure. You could say that media has a more liberal lean, but that’s absolutely nothing new. (Mind you, I don’t know why that is aside from perhaps conservatives traditionally not caring all that much about the arts.)

    I find that most “SJW” stuff in media has a reason for being there. Bioware seemingly having a boner for LGBT characters? It’s because their fanbase does, even if half of them are basically yaoi fangirls. I mean, one of the first and most popular character mods for Baldur’s Gate II was a gay (bisexual?) male drow.

    Comic books? Ignoring that comics have long replaced the established hero and had someone else take up their mantle in order to try and boost sales, the trend of replacing a character with a minority is happening for the same reason we got so many awful, violent anti-heroes in the 90s; it goes really well when they do it a couple times (Kamala Khan, Miles Morales, to a lesser extent Spider-Gwen) and
    publishers are complete idiots and think it’s /just/ because of minority characters.

    Outside of that, you get some lip service from movie studios and Hollywood always pats themselves on the back for being progressive… But that’s because more and more, Hollywood’s badly kept secrets are coming to the light and they need some sort of good press. I mean, sure, half the producers abused their authority to get sex from women desperate to make it big in a cut-throat industry… But look! We’re making a movie about a cool black superhero so it’s alright!

    Again, it’s nothing new.

  • Jack Thompson

    Anyone they could. There are still pockets of dissent on the net and a handful of Western companies as well as most of the Nippon companies.

  • Jack Thompson
  • Just to let you know, he’s an SJW Leftist “neutral” who has a habit of deflecting blame away from SJWs and trying to make it as if they don’t exist.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    “I mean, sure. You could say that media has a more liberal lean, but
    that’s absolutely nothing new. (Mind you, I don’t know why that is
    aside from perhaps conservatives traditionally not caring all that much
    about the arts.)”

    As a result of progressive leaning media an education, each generation becomes more far left to the point where we have SJWs, which are a product of 90’s early 2000’s college education, so in a way you’re right about us reaching the boiling point of progressive agitation in culture . Thats also a baseless generalization of conservatives considering things like Oscars and Emmys viewership are at an all time low due to far left pandering.

    “I find that most “SJW” stuff in media has a reason for being there.
    Bioware seemingly having a boner for LGBT characters? It’s because their
    fanbase does, even if half of them are basically yaoi fangirls. I
    mean, one of the first and most popular character mods for Baldur’s Gate
    II was a gay (bisexual?) male drow.”

    Are you serious dude? Mass Effect Androgynous was a flop, and Bioware is literally on the verge of extinction ever since they booted their old talent in favor of SJWs. Where is the citation on half or more of the fanbase being SJWs?

    “Comic books? Ignoring that comics have long replaced the established
    hero and had someone else take up their mantle in order to try and boost
    sales, the trend of replacing a character with a minority is happening
    for the same reason we got so many awful, violent anti-heroes in the
    90s; it goes really well when they do it a couple times (Kamala Khan,
    Miles Morales, to a lesser extent Spider-Gwen) and
    publishers are complete idiots and think it’s /just/ because of minority characters.”

    Tainting long established comic franchises with progressive cancer is nothing more than useful idiots fighting a culture war, otherwise they wouldn’t be doing it while knowing their sales continue to drop to the point of comic stores facing bankruptcy.

    “Outside of that, you get some lip service from movie studios and
    Hollywood always pats themselves on the back for being progressive…
    But that’s because more and more, Hollywood’s badly kept secrets are
    coming to the light and they need some sort of good press. I mean,
    sure, half the producers abused their authority to get sex from women
    desperate to make it big in a cut-throat industry… But look! We’re
    making a movie about a cool black superhero so it’s alright!”

    Again, its mostly about the culture war. I agree Pedowood is filled with sick people, but the progressive SJW pandering isn’t just limited to damage control. If most celebrities spoke their mind like Tim Allen or James Woods, then the revolt against SJWism would be catastrophic.

    Yeah this is nothing new, I recommend watching Yuri Bezmenov’s “Psychological Warfare”, he broke down in the 80’s how the education and media require at least two decades to fully indoctrinate a generation.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    thanks bro, I’ve noticed hes quite the contrarian around here

  • Phasmatis75

    It is a good thing, we know who the major funders are and even Trump has signed an Executive Order giving the government permission to seize their money. If need be the left can be eliminate not by necessity of a civil war but targeted strikes against a very select few. Logistically speaking, not advocating for violence or anything.

    The bad thing is we’re going to have to deal with this plague for about a hundred years or so before it even has a chance of fully dying out.

  • Phasmatis75

    If I had to venture a guess he’s probably going to claim the new discussion produced a more middle ground understanding where he is neither for or against. I doubt he wants to be enlightened or he would have made the forum stop accusing gamergate of everything after the FBI cleared them.

  • A Punk Named Katsuya Jonouchi

    He was the chosen one!

  • Well, I think we cared a little more than that. We were certainly willing to call out the fact that it was winning game of the year awards left and right (often for no reason other than “it haz lezbyuns!!!!”). Granted, we pointed to that as further evidence that all these mainstream sites and award shows have got no credibility left.

  • Not that I intend to join the forum myself (Twitter and YouTube comments already keep me plenty occupied), but it’s nice to see somebody in the comments putting a positive spin on this. Granted, I can understand perfectly where everyone’s cynicism is coming from, especially considering how hard NeoGAF used to push this progressive trash, and there’s little doubt that Malka’s resorted to begging only after he reaped what he sowed when his supposed allies left his domain completely in tatters. Nevertheless, we should be willing to give people second chances. Acting like nobody can ever change, thinking along the lines of “once a leftist shill, always a leftist shill”, kinda makes us no different from the invasive, hateful bigots we’ve been fighting against for years. Besides, people can say what they want about Ian Miles Cheong, but I for one am proud of how much the guy has come around over the years, so here’s hoping more people like him can see how cancerous their ideology actually is and turn away from it for the better. So yeah, I say we just wait and see how this plays out, no need to dismiss the guy or his forum completely.

  • Zanard Bell

    I’m pretty sure it’ll be muddied to the point of insanity anyways.

    To make it quick, Zoe Quinn fucks journos for good publicity, journos defend Zoe and slanders their audience (gamers are dead), gamers counterpushed, Milo releases bombshell that journos are coordinating with each other, Jim made videos about it and the discussion became about SJWs, GamerGate gets flushed with leftists trying to not make it about SJWs, Jim quits, journos pretended to get caught redhanded and amended their disclosure policies, GamerGate is dead.

  • Sean Sharpe

    “As a result of progressive leaning
    media an education, each generation becomes more far left to the
    point where we have SJWs, which are a product of 90’s early 2000’s
    college education, so in a way you’re right about us reaching the
    boiling point of progressive agitation in culture . Thats also a
    baseless generalization of conservatives considering things like
    Oscars and Emmys viewership are at an all time low due to far left
    pandering.”

    I’m not sure how much I’d really call
    SJW pandering “far-left”. I mean, it’s like they are really
    calling for worker solidarity or any of the like. Pandering to a minority group and telling them that they can be part of the same regime of exploitation isn’t exactly rocking the boat; it’s just telling folks who aren’t straight, white males that they too can be part of problem. “Can’t beat us? Join us!”

    “Are you serious dude? Mass Effect
    Androgynous was a flop, and Bioware is literally on the verge of
    extinction ever since they booted their old talent in favor of SJWs.
    Where is the citation on half or more of the fanbase being SJWs?”

    I’m not saying their fanbase are SJWs.
    I’m saying their fanbase tends to want LGBT content. What proof do I
    have? Look into the modding scenes. Look at their forums. There was
    always demand and Bioware is catering to that crowd. Maybe they are
    the vocal minority… But they were absolutely there, from the BGII
    days. So of course, they’d cater to them.

    “Tainting long established comic
    franchises with progressive cancer is nothing more than useful idiots
    fighting a culture war, otherwise they wouldn’t be doing it while
    knowing their sales continue to drop to the point of comic stores
    facing bankruptcy.”

    You mean like the 90’s, during what
    comic book fans dubbed the Dark Age of Comics? Where Marvel was
    actually close to bankruptcy? When comic books where plagued by a
    slew of violent antiheroes, pointless edgy redesigns, and the
    publishers seemed to totally miss why books from the 80’s like
    Watchmen and the Dark Knight Returns were such successes in the first
    place?

    Faux progressiveness in comics today is
    no different that the pointlessly dark and edgy design of comics in
    the 90s and the result is the same.. Since some “progressive”
    changes sold well and were genuinely well-liked, suits just order
    similar changes across the board. Because they are idiots that don’t
    even get their own industry. This is nothing new.

    “Again, its mostly about the culture war. I agree Pedowood is
    filled with sick people, but the progressive SJW pandering isn’t just
    limited to damage control. If most celebrities spoke their mind like
    Tim Allen or James Woods, then the revolt against SJWism would be
    catastrophic.

    Yeah this is nothing new, I recommend watching Yuri Bezmenov’s
    “Psychological Warfare”, he broke down in the 80’s how the
    education and media require at least two decades to fully
    indoctrinate a generation.”

    I’m familiar with it and I believe it’s done and while I believe
    the culture war is part of it, it’s purpose (especially in America)
    is little more than an illusion of choice. The conservative/liberal
    paradigm that’s pushed is false. What we really have is two
    different flavors of an increasingly authoritarian government. One
    side says we should give up our freedom of speech in favor of
    kindness, the other of freedom of privacy for safety. Both get their
    way since most people are too busy taking sides in their puppet show.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    Took you two days to basically come back with basic bitch “le centricism”?

    “I’m not sure how much I’d really call
    SJW pandering “far-left”. I mean, it’s like they are really
    calling
    for worker solidarity or any of the like. Pandering to a minority
    group and telling them that they can be part of the same regime of
    exploitation isn’t exactly rocking the boat; it’s just telling folks who
    aren’t straight, white males that they too can be part of problem.
    “Can’t beat us? Join us!”

    Nice strawman, its obvious i was referring to cultural progressiveness instead of economic Marxism. It’s not sincere or inoccent, its nothing more than progressive narcissists using popular platforms to fight their culture war, they very conveniently showed up when Videogames surpassed all media in popularity.

    “I’m not saying their fanbase are SJWs.
    I’m saying their fanbase tends to want LGBT content. What proof do I
    have? Look into the modding scenes. Look at their forums. There was
    always demand and Bioware is catering to that crowd. Maybe they are
    the vocal minority… But they were absolutely there, from the BGII
    days. So of course, they’d cater to them.”

    This is still retarded. Modders on a forum isn’t the equivalent to the majority of the fanbase demanding trans representation, otherwise why was KOTOR such a huge success without any SJW shit?. You’re desperately trying to justify the shitty actions of a failing company because you’re centrist mind doesn’t want to admit that it might just be something political.

    “You mean like the 90’s, during what
    comic book fans dubbed the Dark Age of Comics? Where Marvel was
    actually close to bankruptcy? When comic books where plagued by a
    slew of violent antiheroes, pointless edgy redesigns, and the
    publishers seemed to totally miss why books from the 80’s like
    Watchmen and the Dark Knight Returns were such successes in the first
    place?

    Faux progressiveness in comics today is
    no different that the pointlessly dark and edgy design of comics in
    the 90s and the result is the same.. Since some “progressive”
    changes sold well and were genuinely well-liked, suits just order
    similar changes across the board. Because they are idiots that don’t
    even get their own industry. This is nothing new.”

    Whats your point? Shitty story telling and SJW pandering are no different from each other, one doesn’t cancel the other out. The SJW stuff is just laughable because its further accelerating the comic industry to the grave after suffering horribly in the 90’s.

    “I’m familiar with it and I believe it’s done and while I believe
    the culture war is part of it, it’s purpose (especially in America)
    is little more than an illusion of choice. The conservative/liberal
    paradigm that’s pushed is false. What we really have is two
    different flavors of an increasingly authoritarian government. One
    side says we should give up our freedom of speech in favor of
    kindness, the other of freedom of privacy for safety. Both get their
    way since most people are too busy taking sides in their puppet show.”

    I’m not arguing with this, leftism has morphed into globalism which is why we see the SJW propaganda heavily pushed in media. Whatever true nationalism/conservatism there is left has been reduced to hiding out in the fringed of the internet and society.

  • Sean Sharpe

    “Took you two days to basically
    come back with basic bitch “le centricism”?”

    It’s more a case of “I responded
    when I noticed, since I don’t check articles unless they interest me,
    and I don’t notice responses unless I read an article.” Also, not
    so much a centrist, as I am hostile to the culture war. Of all the
    stupid things that people can fight about it’s one of the worst.

    More left-leaning, actually, since I’m a synarchist.

    “Nice strawman, its obvious i was
    referring to cultural progressiveness instead of economic Marxism.
    It’s not sincere or inoccent, its nothing more than progressive
    narcissists using popular platforms to fight their culture war, they
    very conveniently showed up when Videogames surpassed all media in
    popularity.”

    “This is still retarded. Modders
    on a forum isn’t the equivalent to the majority of the fanbase
    demanding trans representation, otherwise why was KOTOR such a huge
    success without any SJW shit?. You’re desperately trying to justify
    the shitty actions of a failing company because you’re centrist mind
    doesn’t want to admit that it might just be something political.”

    I’m not trying to justify anything
    Bioware does. I don’t have any love for nowadays Bioware. I just
    don’t think the inclusion of a trans character is what makes them
    garbage. You know what does? That lack of any real consequences ,
    meaningless choices, and any real party dynamic that goes beyond
    snarky banter.

    And until people started shrieking
    about gays in their games, around 2012-ish, there wasn’t any
    political motivation. I mean, if Fallout 2 and Temple of Elemental
    Evil could get away with it long before Bioware… Why not?

    “Whats your point? Shitty story telling and SJW pandering are no
    different from each other, one doesn’t cancel the other out. The SJW
    stuff is just laughable because its further accelerating the comic
    industry to the grave after suffering horribly in the 90’s.”

    My point is that it has nothing to do with politics, and
    everything to do with the suits chasing trends that sold books,
    thinking if just repeat the same thing again, no matter what they
    tell the creative team to crap out, it will sell. It has nothing to
    do with social justice and everything to do with executives being
    completely out of touch. It’s the same reason why Marvel has so many
    damn huge crossover events. A couple were well-received so they just
    keep pumping them out.

    “I’m not arguing with this, leftism has morphed into
    globalism which is why we see the SJW propaganda heavily pushed in
    media. Whatever true nationalism/conservatism there is left has been
    reduced to hiding out in the fringed of the internet and society.”

    I can’t speak on a global level, but this certainly isn’t the
    case in America where the most popular cable news network is
    conservative and for as liberal as some people make Hollywood out to
    be the vast majority of films still preach American exceptionalism.
    I mean, the only thing that changed since the Bush years is that more
    people decided that gays were alright because they could vote
    Republican, too.

    Sure, globalism is a thing, but it’s not exactly exclusive to
    the “left”. The right does the same thing, preening itself to
    sit on the top of the throne.

  • Sam XXX

    ya what now? No, push him into the pit.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    w/e dude, you’re just playing mental gymnastics at this point.

  • SiliconNooB

    Agreed. He is a bad faith actor who is only here to gaslight us.