Rumor: First Details for Pokemon Generation VIII – Simplified and Real-Time Battle System, Z-Moves Returning

A new set of rumors (via PokeJungle.net) are claiming to have the first details for the eighth generation Pokemon game, for the Nintendo Switch.

The rumor, via “Chinese sources,” is claiming the Chinese localization team has already finished translating the entire game script. It’s worth noting the rumor is from the same folks that knew about Team Rainbow Rocket before that was revealed.

The source notes the game has a new, simplified battle system that has been compared to the real-time battling seen in the Digimon World games. The battle system has also been compared to Pokken Tournament, where you have a rock-paper-scissors like system of attack, block, and grab.

Mega evolutions will not be returning, however Z-Moves will be via motion controls through the Joy-Cons. The central story is focused on the conflict between tradition and innovation. The game’s region is supposedly inspired by Spain or Italy.

A release is rumored to be set for late 2018 (December-ish) or possibly early 2019. Parts of this rumor mirror information from an old rumor for Pokemon “Plus and Minus,” which fans expected to be the seventh generation in the series. That generation turned out to be Sun and Moon.

As with any rumor, please take all the aforementioned details with a hefty dose of sodium. However – what would you like to see in the new Pokemon game, for the Nintendo Switch? Sound off in the comments below!

Editor’s Note: Featured image via Christian Davis

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  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    “Simplified battle system that has been compared to the real-time battling seen in the Digimon World games. The battle system has also been compared to Pokken Tournament, where you have a rock-paper-scissors like system of attack, block, and grab.”

    The dumbing down of JRPGs continues. I hope this is just a rumor, otherwise R.I.P Pokemon for me.

  • arkhangelsk44

    No. This is what I’ve been waiting for. Real time battling just like the anime.

  • machariel00

    Simplified? The combat system is pretty simple to begin with. Sure you can go pretty indepth with with the meta stuff and breeding etc but that’s only if you want to and you don’t need to know much about them to enjoy and beat the games.

  • Person Man

    I like Digimon World (or mostly, Next Order), so I’ll try and keep an open mind. But if anything, this sounds like a spinoff game?

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    Not a fan.

  • chaoguy

    On the one hand, I don’t like changing turn based RPGs into action RPGs. With the former you have to mitigate damage since nearly every attack will hit, so you need to keep your HP above a certain value. With the latter it’s hypothetically possible to never get hit. Now with Digimon World as the example, you had very little control at first. But by the end you could control when it attacked and defended… But not how it moved around the arena.

    On the other hand, Pokemon needs a kick in the ass. The older fans are sick of the game not having any bite (though being an enjoyable “comfy” RPG) and an online Metagame that’s frankly broken. And kids are kind of into it, but Game Freak are having to contend with a lot of other stuff- even games designed for older people and smartphone apps for quick & cheap fixes.

    The franchise can never appeal to both demographics- simple to learn tricky to master is hard to pull off even for the best of studios- and I don’t think switching to real time is going to help. Either you can control movement and combat, so the type of Pokemon is almost irrelevant if you can move & react fast enough, or you’ll have no control over the Pokemon except when it attacks, leaving RNG open if the Pokemon’s movement is random. In short; a company that couldn’t balance an RPG isn’t going to have an easier time balancing a game with real time elements. In fact, it might even be worse.

    And the sheer autism of the competitive scene could be up in arms. This could cause a lot of them to drop it- especially if they feel like they need fighting-game style reaction times (even if the final game is much more forgiving). They like the X second window per turn, and selecting one thing from a menu to play mind-games with their foe. Any action element could result in “analysis paralysis” while your teeth are getting kicked in, or their reaction times just not being fast enough.

    As a side note, dropping Megas would suck. Sure some were a bane to online, and almost everyone had one, but they were their own thing and kind of cool. A super powerful Poke in exchange for it only having one kind of item.

  • mega jew

    Spectrobes then

  • Tubsiwub

    I don’t care either way, but we have HOW many games now that have the traditional Pokemon formula. I still enjoy playing the original games, so… like… I don’t need any more. I’m all set.

    If this has a cool new visual combat system, I’m all for it. I still want another Pokemon Stadium. That was super hype when I was younger.

  • Larverto

    I wouldn’t mind an anime-like battle system for this game.

    Also, I know that this is unrelated to the article, but is anyone else aware that Smug is banned from Disqus? Not just this site, everywhere. Actually I’m not sure if he got banned specifically, but his profile page leads to an error now.

  • Vcom7418

    OOooof…please don’t do RT Battle System…

  • orbo

    The series has been using the traditional turn based system for nearly twenty years, and while they’ve refined it to a polished shine it has been done to death and I am interested in seeing this real time battle system.

    Being able to have pokemon fights like in the anime, is there anything higher than that pokemon fans can ask for?

  • Audie Bakerson
  • OldPalpy

    Oh fuck this would be hilarious.

  • Dear god, please have that battle system be optional

  • Travis Touchdown

    I can’t wait for Pokémon Stars guys.

    Launching Fall 2017.

  • No_Good_Names_Ever

    Final Fantasy makes me think this will end badly if it isn’t just something akin to the ATB system where you can’t take long to decide your move.

    Everyone who’s thinking it’s gonna be like the anime; realize that the fights aren’t that good and the games will never come close to that type of movement because Gamefreak are lazy and I imagine that’d take a large amount of time and money to get all the models to just pull off their attacks. Hell, if this is what I’m thinking of when they compare it to Digimon world; it’s just gonna end up as a Tamagatchi style monster raiser game where you don’t control them at all.

  • mewnani

    I’m all for an expansive real-time version of Pokemon battling but I’m not quite so sure about this… this kinda sounds a bit like Pokemon GO and how simple it is. If this is the case then I think I’ll pass, especially if they remove Mega Evolution which like it or not exists exactly one region over and thus wouldn’t make any sense to omit.

  • No_Good_Names_Ever

    Unless they reboot to another universe.

  • mewnani

    They’ve already done that twice; once with Gen 3 and again with Gen 6. There’s only so many times you can pull that before it starts to get boring.

  • No_Good_Names_Ever

    They should push it and see where the breaking point; become Japanese DC.

  • I’m calling bullshit. No Mega Evolutions but keeping Z-Crystals either means you’re going back to the original timeline (which still doesn’t make sense) or you’re completely throwing everything out and want to ruin established lore. I also am confused as to how they know the game mechanics when all they have done thus far is translate the script. Also, why would they make Z-Moves exclusive to Joy-Con motions when most people use controllers?

    Too many inconsistencies for me, so I’ll wait for confirmed info.

  • Uncle Ocelot

    That wouldn’t really surprise me. He was apparently unbanned here not long ago too.

  • Psyramics

    Part of the script would be tutorials, teaching any and all game mechanics

  • mewnani

    Well technically the script in theory would include new tutorials for this alleged new battle system, since Game Freak includes tutorials in every Pokemon game for basic mechanics. That doesn’t mean this is real or final though.

  • Uncle Ocelot

    I can buy the stuff about the battle system change since the producer said he wants to challenge the conventions of Pokemon ala BotW and, well, changing something as key as the battle system would be an obvious way to go about it. So even if this is fake, I still expect that particular change.

  • No_Good_Names_Ever

    Mega Evos just exacerbated the issue they were implemented for
    Only one person is left from the old team and I doubt The Pokemon Company really gives a shit.
    Zmoves tied to controllers is a gimmick which you should expect out of something jointly owned by Nintendo.

  • Uncle Ocelot

    Poor Emily.

  • Getting rid of Mega Evolution is a good call.

  • Mega Evolutions was a retared idea anyway.

  • Bitterbear

    I wish for the new Pokemon games to have something other than the same boring gameplay

    https://paulsawchuk.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/the-monkey-paw.jpg

  • Fair enough, I didn’t think of that. But I’ll still call bullshit.

  • What did they exacerbate exactly? :/

  • Thoon Thoon

    Dead series holy shit that’d be the biggest mistake.

  • mewnani

    Balance. The intention was to make Pokemon that otherwise weren’t equal with other ones from a battle perspective stronger so they could become viable competitively. The problem was some of them got Mega Evolutions that really didn’t need them that much like Mewtwo and Rayquaza and instead of bringing balance to the battling scene it… broke it even further. The fact that some of them like Mega Manetric got atrocious designs really didn’t help.

  • Did not know Discus could ban people. I guess that means Smug will never come back. :_(

  • Dave

    Hope Mega’s aren’t excluded. Don’t introduce something that awesome, only to take it away.
    Also, wonder if Pokemon are transferable from previous Gens….

  • Fair enough, Mega Rayquaza in particular is literally the strongest Pokemon to ever exist. I assume Game Freak couldn’t only give Mega Stones to the ones that needed them, because there are a lot of popular Pokemon out there.

  • arkhangelsk44

    I’ve been waiting for the real time battle system just like the anime where I can command Pokemon to move over there, use the terrain, climb on vines and pipes, abuse dodge and connect two beam type attacks. I remembered a friend who said that he wanted a Pokemon Battle to be like Dissidia Final Fantasy when Square Enix buys GameFreak.

  • Fandangle

    A script would explain game mechanics. Tutorials are a thing.

  • Weird. I unbanned any bans he had and invited him back. Anyone have his info? Tell him to make a new profile and just post on here lol

  • Nope Naw

    “simplified battle system”

    And thus the Pokemon series died.

  • Donwel

    Wait. There’s different timelines in pokemon? Since when?

  • Donwel

    Still tsundere for that guy eh?

  • Since X/Y.

  • Travis Touchdown

    B-Baka…

  • David Bergmann

    On the one hand, I don’t like changing turn based RPGs into action RPGs. With the former you have to mitigate damage since nearly every attack will hit, so you need to keep your HP above a certain value. With the latter it’s hypothetically possible to never get hit. Now with Digimon World as the example, you had very little control at first

  • Arenegeth

    Considering these rumors are true, they are messing with the one thing in the series, that didn’t need messing with and that was the battle system.

    But the formula has gotten as stale as Kathy Griffin’s vagina, so I guess a change was in order, especially since the main series cannot be confined in a handheld system anymore.

    I’m worried they gonna dumb it down and kill it with all this action bullshit though, but even then, hell Pokémon had a good run, better than most, and nothing lasts forever, so many games across generations to try and catch all those little motherfuckers on, is not like the old games are going away.

  • Γεώργιος Αρχαιοκαπηλίδης

    It’s just rumors.

  • chaoguy

    If you want an anime style battle, you’re better off with something akin to Pokken or even a Platinum game.

  • chaoguy

    What a good comment: http://disq.us/p/1oypym1

  • chaoguy

    As a franchise/brand, they just need to not fuck up consistently to survive. Kids somehow still get into the game, and as the audience of children and adults cycle, they can keep churning out anything.
    They can afford to have a gen where they fall on their face, apologize, then go back to their safe casual box for the next.

  • chaoguy

    Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire started to hint at the idea that every Pokemon game cartridge is it’s own dimension. A character from one of these dimensions (hinted at to be the original Ruby and Sapphire) appeared in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire to stop the world being destroyed a meteorite- like her’s was.
    Sun/Moon also introduced the idea of “Fallers”- people from other dimensions. Looker and Anabel from their respective games are hinted/outright confirmed to be Fallers from Gen 4 and 3 respectively.
    The whole schtick with Rainbow Rocket in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon is that it’s made up of villains in their original gens where their plans succeeded.

  • perfect34

    This sounds fucking awful if true

  • Donwel

    I suppose my next question then is, why? Pokemon isn’t really so complicated that it requires multiple timelines.
    Well I suppose it means that they don’t have to explain shit that seems out of place when compared to the older games.

  • chaoguy

    They did it for the latter, and just for something “cool” for their stories.
    It also sort of tied into the “Ultra Beasts”- Pokemon from other dimentions. They got lost in another world, went after Fallers since they had the same energy as a portal back to their world- and got really upset when they couldn’t get home.

    But yes, thematically they didn’t need to do it.

  • No_Good_Names_Ever

    BandaiNamco is who you go to for the anime experience.

  • chaoguy

    Or Arcsys judging by Dragon Ball FighterZ

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    Worth noting that they just recently trademarked “Pokemon 1 & 0” logos, which is pretty likely the Switch version titles.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    Since Gen8 automatically tells you type effectiveness, maybe now the Pokemon will just do the most effective moves for you. In Gen9 the pokemon will also choose themselves, or it’ll be like Persona 5 where you just press R1 and it selects the most effective mon/move immediately.

    So fun….

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    They did tell people to keep their expectations low on this. I don’t think Gamefreak can legitimately make something better than Sun/Moon, visually or mechanically.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    They throw out a previous idea for every new thing they add. They do this every generation. Even remakes always have something ripped out for every new mechanic they include. Game Freak are just obnoxious like that.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    US/UM changes Anabel’s backstory I think.

  • SLoWMoTIoN

    I played through P5 twice and never used it.

  • SLoWMoTIoN

    He deleted maybe?

  • SLoWMoTIoN

    Just let me pass my team from a decade (the one I have in moon) and DON’T fuck with the gameplay but make the game look like something outta of a ps3 (at least) game pls.

  • Snorlaxation

    as of Omega and Alpha, it’s revealed that the original games (Pokemon Red/BLue all the way to Black/white 2) exist in an alternate timeline. Possibly no Fairy type, Definitely no Mega Evolutions.

    But because of certain events that occured at a certain point in the past (X and Y’s past events with that giant king and those doomsday weapons, I believe) that resulted in certain things like a meteor and Primal Reversion/Mega Evolution, the timeline split, so we have Red/Blue/Green/Yellow all the way to Black/White 2 and beyond where those things didn’t happen and we have No Mega Evolution, or we have the current timeline that Pokemon company chose to keep and expand on, which is where those past events did happen.

    The extra battles against Team Rainbow rocket in Ultra Sun/Moon show you the villains from various alternate dimensions where they each won in the end (Maxie got his world of no ocean in his timeline, Archie got his water world of All ocean -ign: WAY too much water- in his successful timeline, etc.) and they all join up.

  • Jad

    I’ve been wanting them to rip-off Grandia for over a decade now. BRING IT ON GAMEFREAK.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    Congrats on wasting your own time manually selecting the same things then?? What do you want, a medal?

  • SLoWMoTIoN

    I don’t know what I want. Do you know what you want?

  • Shoahvanist

    I hope this is fake news…

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    Yeah, I’m pretty much living it

  • SLoWMoTIoN

    looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool