PSA: Far Cry 5 is About America vs Radical Religion

This is an editorial piece. The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of, and should not be attributed to, Niche Gamer as an organization.

We are back after a long “break” planning all our E3 appointments. It has been a hell of a two week span, but we are gearing up to take on more videos and topics. This week, we are talking about cults, religion, extremists, imagery, and Middle America in Far Cry 5.

Remember to sound off in the comments below, and we might just get another topic out of it!

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  • Madbrainbox

    I think this is more of a parallel to Islam than anything else.I think they are trying to show that the terrorists have a warped interpretation of that particular faith(I’m not sure if I agree with that).Maybe get people to empathize with non radical Muslims and Muslims that are fighting the terrorists.

  • Personaknight

    Vignettes were great since I like the idea behind the people your fighting with and how they might interact with the player character you get to create. Then there is also whatever the villain is doing and whatever he will go after you for. I feel like this cast could only be pulled off in this type of setting.

  • Migi

    they should Just make the religion Islam and stop pandering towards these true religious nujobs.

  • Bitterbear

    My prediction: Someone will make a mod that will change (as in not white) the race of the cultists and it’ll make headlines among the SJW tech/gaming sites. Also Nexus Mods will ban that mod.

  • Mr0303

    The cross may be similar to Scientology, but the cult is definitely Christian. Otherwise pastor Jerome wouldn’t complain about the main villain stealing his flock – it seems unreasonable that Christians will simply transfer to Scientology or something similar.

    Also I disagree with the Islam symbology – the reveal art is definitely mimicking The Last Supper, so when we apply Occam’s razor the picture is pretty clear. Plus Ubisoft are progressive twats from Canada, who are about to pass an Islamophobia motion, so I highly doubt they have the balls to criticise the “religion of peace”.

    That being said there is nothing wrong about making a game about an evil Christian cult – it’s just people are tired of the demonisation of Christians when a much more dangerous religion is taking over the West.

  • Phasmatis75

    Why defend this garbage?

  • DrearierSpider

    I don’t have a problem with it on the surface, just think that after 2 decades of the left ragging on Christianity (deservedly so), it’d be refreshing to see them tackle Islam for a change. They’re free to write their games about whatever they please of course, and I could picture it being really interesting if done well honestly. But between how cartoonishly left leaning the gaming industry is and Ubisoft’s incompetence I have my doubts. The biggest factor though is I just can’t get at all excited for another fucking Far Cry game, from a gameplay standpoint that is.

  • Madbrainbox

    Well,I don’t think anyone(anyone reasonable that is) will look at this kind of cult and think “this is representative of Christianity”.I think most people will associate Christianity with the pastor.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    Its really not neutral when the game is set in a more conservative part of America and having the imagery of the cult resemble Christian iconography such as crosses or protestant looking churches. This is more leftist garbage from Ubicuck.

    That said, they are free to hate on Christianity all they want. Even if this was an anti Islam game, I’d still hate it for being another watered down rehash of Far Cry 3 anyways,

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing
  • It’s commie faggots trying to justify electing a kike puppet in their useless non-country by straw-manning a superior people and hoping nobody points out the niggers raping their daughters.

  • Urobolus

    If this were released a few years earlier or later there wouldn’t be a problem. Having the game take place in rural America is a nice change of setting and seeing how they represent it is interesting. The problem is that it’s releasing in a year where the politics are still fresh and it feels like its ragging on the right-leaning populace that voted Trump. Like the developers made the game in a fit of rage to get back at them.

  • Fenrir007

    My only problem with it is that it will be terribly written as usual.

  • Riosine

    Let not pretend Ubisoft didn’t mixed christian fundies, gun nuts, scientologist. or probably kkk, as an amalgam to allow a shooter open-world scenario in united state

    Real christian fundies are actually suppose to be insane in an absurd way…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrbWnmwYWyQ

    Yeah she may sound racist, gory and stuff, But she is wearing a Tin foil to show respect toward real jews.

  • G. H.

    I’m just expecting it to go off the rails in the last quarter when it is discovered whatever the cultists worship is real and the player is now fighting other dimensional monsters.

  • Feniks

    Alexa tell me a joke.

    “Shall I pre order Farcry 5?”

    Good one.

  • Zanard Bell

    Is radical religion REALLY the problem the entire world is having right now, or is it just one radical religion in particular?

  • ” it’s just people are tired of the demonisation of Christians when a much more dangerous religion is taking over the West.”
    Not to mention that taking a jab at Christianity these days is PRETTY low-hanging fruit. There’s nothing novel or edgy about it like back in the 90s or early 2000s.

  • Zanard Bell

    The left won’t. They see Islam as a victim of the West’s colonial overreach, which for them is great way to virtue signal their social justice ideals. What they don’t know is the ‘poor 3rd world Islamist’ hates them as much as it does the West.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    The fact that people see a parallel between the comically exaggerated religious cultists in FC5 and real life rural americans is extremely worrying.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    Actually it resembles the Scientology cross, aka a cult that nobody cares if you make fun of because scientology is a made up religion.

  • ProxyDoug

    I’d say it’s more religiosity. There are many fanatics out there without any religion in particular lately.

  • ProxyDoug

    You can actually tell on the picture which one is the not-Vaas.

  • kenshin95

    What else do you think they are supposed to represent, exactly?
    I mean, I’m not disagreeing with the fact that the cultists in Far Cry are an over-the-top, hackneyed, biased depiction of rural, Christian Americans, but that’s also the way most portrayals of rural America are in the media. From the symbolism, the setting, the last supper theme, what other parallel could you draw?

  • kenshin95

    Yeah, I have to agree. This editorial is bullshit. If Nichegamer is fine with the way Ubisoft is not so subtly making rural Christians the bad guy, or if they just don’t give a shit about this whole mess either way, that’s fine, but don’t bullshit and say that “no really, ignore all the obvious symbolism, its really just about all religions, guys.”

  • alterku
  • I’m pretty sure this game has been in development for at least three years already, meaning when they came up with the idea to set it in rural America Trump probably hadn’t even announced he was running, yet.

  • There’s also the factor to consider that you can mock Christianity freely, in the knowledge you’re almost definitely not going to get shot or blown to pieces for doing so.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    They’re really milking the over the top Joker esque villains.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    Just a bunch of crazy cultist hicks with guns? Why would anyone feel personally attacked, religiously or otherwise, by cult of psychopaths? Do places like that actually exist?

  • grgspunk

    I have to agree with the PSA wholeheartedly. It’s actually nice how they take all these real-life details to portray them as a giant clusterfuck of a cult.

    Also, this is where we separate the wheat from the chaff, the gamers from the political activists, or the /v/eterans from the /pol/tards. Nothing reveals the deceptive intentions of those who support GG for the sake of pushing politics instead of defending videogames faster than publicizing a game that antagonizes their own race/religion/political party.

  • kenshin95

    (Sorry for the long post, but I don’t know how else to explain this clearly.)
    Are you American? I’m not asking to be snarky, but I feel like you might be missing some context, which is easy if you don’t live here.

    Obviously, places like Far Cry 5’s setting don’t really exist. Its an exaggerated caricature, but its pretty clear what it is a caricature of. To people who don’t live there, the rural U.S. is mostly known for two things: Gun ownership and zealous Christians. Obviously, real rural Americans are not a crazy cult like what is in Far Cry, but it takes two stereotypical things about rural Americans, and exaggerates them to the nth degree. The reality is that a lot of rural America owns guns, and is devoutly religious. They exaggerated this into a bunch of crazy, militant cultists.

    The other things is, this isn’t the first time that rural Americans have been portrayed as crazy cultists, a lot of media has done this for years, so much so that there is a stigma IRL in many places that if you come from rural america and you’re a Christian, that you’re a culty, religious nutcase. People are fed up with that.

    Its kind of like if you set a game in downtown Baltimore, and had the enemy be a bunch of black guys with gold chains and baggy t-shirts, who wander around saying “Ooga Booga where da white women at?” Sure, they’re just a bunch of crazy gangbangers, but its rather clearly a jab at inner city blacks in general.

  • Eden

    Yeah, the “Christian cult” angle has run its course with me, I’m looking forward to the day when someone grows some balls and does Islam or even Hinduism which has millions of gods to choose from…

  • Eden

    But I’ve seen people calling Christians who are against homos or trannies “radical” Christians simply because we follow our beliefs and prefer to not be hypocritical. Meanwhile, they also call Islamic suicide bombers “radical”…

  • Eden

    And you would do that by making the religion in game Christianity vs an obvious corrupted version of Christianity? The problem with the “radical” is that anyone who’s read Islamic texts knows that those text specifically call for the deaths of Jews and Christians while also allowing for the killing of any none Muslims. This means that those Muslims blowing themselves up and killing people are the REAL Muslims.

    The government coined the term “radical” when added to a religion as a way of indirectly saying, “They’re not secular enough”. At the end of the day, Islam itself is a disease and unless you complete remove it, there will always be terror attacks. Christianity on the other hand has proven to have it’s share of “radicals” but compared to Islam, Christian “radicals” are more likely to say something bad about homos instead of killing a bunch of people for some none existent virgins…

  • Eden

    In Far Cry, the good guys ALWAYS turn out to be bad guys lol. Also, modern day media NEVER shows Christians as good only hypocrites who aren’t perfect, It’s sad really…

  • Eden

    Even the white dog had a red cross, gee, I wonder what that could represent. Might as well name that dog “Crusade” or “Templar”

  • Madbrainbox

    “Islam itself is a disease and unless you complete remove it”
    I’ll regret asking this.Remove it how?

  • Eden

    100 bucks on the pastor turning out to be a bad guy, the blonde chick is a dyke, and like every other Far Cry game, your character only ends up fucking things up regardless of what he does. The only difference is, unlike Far Cry 3, you won’t get to fuck the hot chick before you die…

  • Eden

    So are you saying that Christian shouldn’t be upset that their religion is being used ONCE AGAIN as the hallmark archetype for a cult? I understand that Christian cults exist, but so do cults of other religions. Why not be creative and show a Buddhist cult? Those are some truly destructive motherfuckers if you consider their philosophy of destruction being the most sacred thing to look forward to…

  • Kessek

    So much triggering.

  • grgspunk

    Yeah, you shouldn’t be upset. They have no inherent obligation to pander to you or anyone else.

  • TheOnceAndFutureKing

    Theyre even mimicking the pose of the Last Meal. My favorite is the part in the trailer where the pastor violently plunges a woman’s head under water for a baptism.

  • kenshin95

    You might have a point if everyone complaining was a Gamergater, but not all of us are. A lot of us couldn’t give less of a shit about gg as it is right now.

    Also, I don’t claim to be some sort of GG expert, but as far as I can see, GG got started largely because of political bullshit being in games *at all*, and this is clearly political bullshit. Beyond that, from everything I saw, GG wasn’t started because people said, “I don’t like this, don’t insult me or I’m not going to buy you’re game.” GG got started because people said, “I don’t like this, if you don’t make games to our political standard, we’re going to sabotage your game using our press connections.”

    Also:
    >/v/
    >Being better than /pol/ in any way

    Nice try /v/irgin.

  • Bob

    I’ve only played FC3 but I can see more potential in the one’s location even if it appears on the surface as a more boring location. I hope it has a decent story this time.

  • Bob

    Although I don’t have any burning desire to see anyone Lampoon Islam, the untapped potential of setting a game like this in Syria and allowing you to shout at the Islamic fascist group ISIS cannot be Ignored, There is just so much they could do in terms of story and gameplay, but much like you I do find it hard to get excited about a Far Cry game, I played 3 and although beautiful you just have the feeling that you’re doing the same thing over and over again, and even though the performances(acting wise) where great the writing was all over the place.

  • Bob

    I’m guessing he means concentration camp type stuff.

  • Madbrainbox

    I’m waiting for his reply.I’d hate to misrepresent his position.

  • Madbrainbox

    I’d love to see a game focusing on one of the Kurdish female units that are fighting ISIS.

  • grgspunk

    Nice try distorting my history, pal. The whole backdrop of GG started because of assholes (SJWs) having problems with “problematic” content in games and trying to force devs to censor themselves. What the hell does not having “press connections” make it any less of an attempt to control what the devs can or can’t put in a game like the SJWs did?

    There is no difference. You fucktards get just as triggered at the idea of killing white Christian cultists in a game as how SJWs get triggered at the idea of fucking scantly-clad female sluts in a game.

    >/v/
    >Being better than /pol/ in any way
    >Nice try /v/irgin

    Spotted the /pol/tard. You dipshits have been shitting up our board for the longest time now. Even the bronies from /mlp/ aren’t as obnoxious as you–At least they actually stay in their containment board, whereas you /pol/tards like to invade every other fucking board and derail every thread by shoving politics in absolutely EVERYTHING.

  • Lishe

    Who cares what problem the world is having right now?
    Games should allow for creative space and not only a portrayal of reality, and there should most definitely be creative freedom even if it hurts the sensibilities of religious people.
    It’s true christians can be quite extremist and toxic at times, and nazis and whatnot haven’t been a problem for an extremely long time but we still got games about shooting them, so what’s your point? At least it’s a slightly fresh concept.

  • Lishe

    Hilarious that american christians are butthurt over this, their dumb nationalism/religion is so fragile.
    They’re free to be homophobic or racist as much as they want though, because they’re “following their beliefs”, pathetic.

  • GoldenBoy

    Far Cry 3 had a Latino cultist.

    No one but the SJWs bitched.

    Far Cry 4 had an Asian dictator.

    No one but the SJWs bitched.

    Far Cry 5 has white cultists.

    Now the salt right is bitching. Fuck off.

  • Zanard Bell

    The point is that people like to think that radical religion is the problem, when in fact, it is just one brand of it that is systematically killing believers. I am not just talking about the existence of Far Cry 5; it’s how game companies failed to make Islamic terror the named villain of any of their works.

  • SiliconNooB

    Radical Christians don’t bake gay cakes.
    Radical Mudslimes blow people up.
    There is no equivalence to be had here.

  • SiliconNooB

    That’s awesome!

  • SiliconNooB

    Terrorists don’t have a warped interpretation of Islam though. They have a literal interpretation of Islam, as the Koran promotes all the awful things they do.

  • Madbrainbox

    Well,they need to do what Christian are doing and start ignoring all the horrific things in their book and cherry pick the good stuff.That religion is in dire need of reform.

  • le master trole

    >toxic
    your opinion —> trash

  • Jack Thompson

    This

  • Jack Thompson

    You do know the petition was very likely to be fake, right? It’s especially obvious if you read it. There are bunch of people on the internet false flagging the outrage right now and they likely dwarf the number that’s actually upset. It’s looking like Dante’s Inferno all over again. /pol/ is probably triggered though, being that minority that’s genuinely upset.

  • Jack Thompson

    >toxic
    I almost thought you were arguing in good faith. Step it up.

  • TophatKiyaki

    And unfortunately, most of them don’t seem interested in reform. I only know of one Islamic leader who is calling for it (Imam Shaikh Mohammad Tawhidi), and he’s extremely vilified within the community. Meanwhile, all the polling that has been done in Muslim communities shows that support for the more concerning aspects of their ideology are alive and well, even in those whom have immigrated and integrated into the west.

  • Madbrainbox

    Yeah.They are still hundreds of years behind everyone else when it comes to many issues.

  • Lishe

    not quite as trash as you meme-spouting shitposters

  • Lishe

    I don’t see you presenting any real arguments, just memetexting and being ass pained.

  • Lishe

    Christian war victims vs Muslim war victims :^)

  • grgspunk

    I’m not talking about the petition. Anyone with a quarter of a brain can see that it was probably either a publicity stunt by Ubisoft or just the work of some trolls.

    What I’m talking about is the lovely comments on here that seem to be unusually butthurt about the anti-right-wing implications of this game’s story (like the triggered /pol/tards).

  • Dale Frewaldt
  • Mr0303
  • Snorlaxation

    Taking Over? Not really. So much stigma attached, or people defending that (like the westboro baptists freaks) not everyone who is a member is a terrorist. Non of that means people are converting or that tons of people who are islamic are coming to the US or taking over, and all that “Sharia Law is taking over” bull is also a bunch of smoke.

    Personally I don’t like any religion, so this might just get me to buy it and try it, though Ubi has a tendency to be too preachy in some games.

  • Snorlaxation

    Hinduism? Have we ever had a dark story about that religion ever? Is there even anything worth bringing up for a dark tale?

  • Snorlaxation

    here in the US, some loud conservatives and christians are making religion an issue, and outside coming in it’s the ones the terrorists subscribe to.

  • Snorlaxation

    Radical Christians beat up gays outside bars or kick gay kids out of their homes.

    Still not equivalence, but let’s keep the perspective real

  • Snorlaxation

    Gotta admit, I laughed.

  • Snorlaxation

    Same.

  • Mr0303

    How about some facts and statistics about Muslim attitudes then?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

    Or maybe a law that forbids any criticism of Islam?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-parliament-anti-islamophobia-motion-pass-muslim-irqa-khalid-david-anderson-racism-faith-a7647851.html

    Or maybe the unfiltered immigration that’s happening right now in Europe? How about the weekly Islamic attacks all over the West?

    Considering all the above I’d say that the phrase “taking over” isn’t much of a hyperbole.

  • Zanard Bell

    Wait, run that by me again.

    Radical Islamists become terrorists because they subscribe to the views of loud Christians?

  • Snorlaxation

    Sorry, I should’ve been more specific.
    You said:
    “Is radical religion REALLY the problem the entire world is having right now, or is it just one radical religion in particular?”

    I SHOULD’VE said:
    here in the US, some loud conservatives and christians are making Their religion an issue Here in the US, causing many to see christianity or catholicism in an even more negative light than before.
    , and outside coming in The OTHER religion (the ones the terrorists subscribe to) is the one causing Major problems for the US and other countries.

  • Snorlaxation

    Can’t deny the second link you provided, and I intend to research further on it because I’d like to know exactly what it entails. The first one… meh? People of several big name religions already don’t like me dating dudes, so I’m not surprised by their backwater preferences.

    As for the weekly attacks, the terroristic ones are always to be seen as what they are, terroristic. But don’t forget the number of gay dudes and dudettes and trans people that get beat to within an inch of their lives or even killed by those of our home religions.

    That’s why I don’t care for religion in general. I can bring up links for those this year too if you’d prefer, but I don’t really think I need to.

  • Mr0303

    The first link also showed that nearly a quarter of UK Muslims support the introduction of Sharia law.

    “As for the weekly attacks, the terroristic ones are always to be seen as what they are, terroristic.” – Islamic terrorist attacks. It’s an important word that shouldn’t be ignored. When is the last time a Christian or a Buddhist blew himself up to commit an act of terror?

    “But don’t forget the number of gay dudes and dudettes and trans people
    that get beat to within an inch of their lives or even killed by those
    of our home religions.” – so? The proportion of gay people killed by Muslims is exponentially higher, especially considering the 7 major Muslim countries where homosexuality is punishable by death.

    “I can bring up links for those this year too if you’d prefer, but I don’t really think I need to.” – you don’t, as long as you admit that the proportion of hate crimes towards that demographic in particular is done mainly by Muslims. Prime example – the Orlando shooting.

  • Snorlaxation

    Sharia law goes against most govt’s preexisting laws, so neither their country nor ours are ever going to allow them to do as they please, or if they do, it’ll be just like that one city in TX that believes itself to be outside/separate from the US and is constantly monitored.

    And yes, it’s important to be specific, and to understand why the terrorist in question is doing what they’re doing and who/what they say they’re doing it for.

    And yeah, you’re right, people of the muslim faith are probably killing/have killed the most homosexuals so far. If not, then it’s the Russians, but even then they’re not being as obvious or public about it as those terroristic (and some just regular) muslim followers.

  • Mr0303

    The point is that they hold these beliefs which are incompatible with secular Western democracies.

    Even in Russia it’s not illegal to be gay, just manifest it in public, for which you could be jailed, but not executed.

  • Snorlaxation

    It’s not illegal in Russia, but just knowing you are is enough to get your family to turn on you or get caught up in those disappearances they tried claiming weren’t happening. And yes, Sharia Law is thoroughly incompatible with Western democracies, and it hopefully will continue to be, inspite of certain groups of christians attempts.

  • NoNoth

    Are they going to change the site name to Cucked Gamer?
    Let’s not offend those muslims….they may blow us up.

  • fnd

    Changing goal posts much? And since christians are the most persecutted religion in the world, we probably have more christians war victims, depending on the factors.

  • fnd

    Christian sinners will confess their sins.
    Muslim sinners will blow people up so they can get afterlife redemption with 72 virgin waifus.

  • fnd

    “Radical Christians beat up gays outside bars or kick gay kids out of their homes.”
    Lol, this is so alien to me, i’m sure there are media companies salivating on the tough of covering christian groups beating gays. Meanwhile in the real world gay people kill way more gays than any other group or religion ever. Wanna know why? Try AIDS.

  • fnd

    There are 2 ways to remove kebab… forced deportations(the peaceful option) or genocide(the hard way). Assimilation is not an option since the new majority will brute force their way of life on the native population. Remove kebab or submit to kebab.

  • fnd

    I remember games from Ubi between the years 2011 and 2013 featuring a blonde female POTUS (lots of other games from the time, like Black Ops 2 and even Vanquish lol). Goes to show that Trump messed with their predicted timeline of first feminist POTUS.

  • Madbrainbox

    Forced deportation?What about the Muslim citizens?

  • fnd

    Are you a muslim immigrant? GTFO or else. Most peaceful option

  • Madbrainbox

    I’m not asking about the Muslim immigrants.I’m asking about the Muslim citizens.

  • fnd

    Just roll back their citizen status, since getting a citizen status for non anglo immigrants is easy nowadays.

  • Madbrainbox

    And the natural born Muslim citizens?Or white people that converted to Islam?

  • Snorlaxation

    Once the truth of what aids was because common knowledge, most gay people were more careful to avoid it. In today’s US, aids is far less common, but you will find quite a number dealing with hiv.

    And as for your last post, bout all Christians confess to beating a homosexual to death when they mistakenly believe their god thinks it’s ok. I’d rather they confess to the authorities then to a priest.

  • fnd

    90% of people with aids are (extremely depraved and promiscuous)homosexuals, try harder…

  • Grampy_Bone

    The one thing I’ll say about this is usually these games have been topical. The crazy christian cults were a thing back in the 80s and 90s. Nowadays there’s another religion which makes the news almost everyday about doing one insane thing after another, but no one dares make them the villains in anything.

    Basically everyone *wants* Christians to still be the villains, in defiance of all reality.

  • Lishe

    Not really, if you’re going to compare two obviously skewed figures then you need to look at the bigger picture. Christian war victims refer to casualties in wars initiated by christian nations or factions, which VASTLY outnumber that of muslim war victims, look it up.

    I do believe radical islam to be a problem, but a lot of the concern for islam comes from fear mongering and overreported attacks.
    http://reason.com/archives/2017/03/24/do-muslims-commit-most-us-terrorist-atta
    That said I don’t think any radical religion should be defended as “less bad than the x” because that’s a shitty argument and they’re both problems in the end.

  • Snorlaxation

    AIDS is trackable and those numbers are researchable. The only one not trying is you. Like I said, most people understand what AIDS is now and know how to avoid it, whether they’re clean or even have the more common HIV, which becomes AIDS if left untreated.
    The rare cases of AIDS survivors are indeed either driven mad by the disease and are dying very painfully, or are also being treated and have the physical scars to prove they had the disease.

  • Ckarasu

    That sure was a load of nothing and dumb buzzwords right there.

  • Ckarasu

    In Shin Megami Tensei 4 Apocalypse, Krishna is a huge douchebag. Other than that? Not really.

  • SiliconNooB

    You are being overly charitable by assuming that there actually is any good for them to cherry-pick from.

    Their prophet is a pedophile warlord, and their Koran is a cover to cover exhortation for them to lay waste to the infidel and rape their women. There is even an entire section encouraging them to lie to non-muslims.

    What good can be taken away from such a religion? This isn’t to say that every last Muslim is bad, but that is in spite of their regressive religion – not because they have found some magical interpretation that suddenly makes Islam a good ideology.

  • Madbrainbox

    There’s good in any religion if you look hard enough.Well,we’re entering the era of BMI’s in a few decades so religion will become irrelevant anyway.

  • Jack Thompson

    Yeah that’s probably /pol/.