PSA: The Meaning of “Intelligence” in Gaming, Our Zelda: Breath of the Wild Review, and Accountability

This is an editorial piece. The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of, and should not be attributed to, Niche Gamer as an organization.

Hello Niche Gaming Enthusiasts, Michael Jordan here to give you a little disclaimer that you should read before watching the video. In this video I take on two of the major outrages from our The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild review that I did a week or so ago.

First was the sentence: “This is just bad design, and less intelligent people would label this as hard when in fact it’s still rather easy when the game works properly.”

There was also the second sentence: “Do not listen to day one reviews, and do not be attached to nostalgia.”

The second one was singled out a lot, without the context of the paragraph it was in: “Do not listen to day one reviews, and do not be attached to nostalgia. It will fail you as a consumer and a gamer. This is easily the weakest Legend of Zelda game in the last 20 years, and some simple design choices combined with the time to QA correctly could have produced the best game in the series.”

I also want to thank all the people that were able to step away from the review with a different perspective and a clear mind. The direct messages on Twitter have been great and I thank all of you taking in the statement as a whole and looking into some of the other reviews after playing the game.

In case you missed it, you can find our thorough video and written review for The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild here.

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  • perfect34

    People come to this site for game reviews? Thats pretty laughable you guys cant even get your facts correct in articles why would I trust you for fair game reviews.

  • DiggerKnicks

    Embarrassing

  • DiggerKnicks

    This. But then again, most game reviews/reviewers are shit these days.

  • totenglocke

    Oh, Michael. This is just downright embarrassing at this point. I should archive your posts for when you try to erase the evidence of your foolishness.

  • stullz

    Michael… I understand where you are coming from…But this video was not professional. Leaves a bad taste. I still stand by my statement that you didn’t need your PSA before. And this one very much comes across as an ‘I’m better than you’ rant. Rise above the trolls.

  • I was making fun of people who said it was better then sex.

  • Just Some Guy

    Oof… I’m getting a strong case of second hand embarrassment from this video.

  • We have not deleted anything…..

  • We had a somewhat unclear headline that was fixed promptly and now we’re unable to get facts straight. OK. Hope you keep checking us out!

  • Cubed Grapes

    Not going to watch the video because I just don’t care. I assume most people on this site are ignoring this.

  • DiggerKnicks

    The explanation for your poor attempt at humor wasn’t needed. It’s also on par with what a 12 year old would say after getting roasted.

  • HowlJenkins

    Downloading this video as I type. I just have a feeling it won’t survive.

  • DiggerKnicks

    The clickbait video/article was deleted from the site.

  • Why are you so defensive about virginity there Digger? You did not say it was better then sex, so why would this one stand out to you so deeply.

  • DiggerKnicks

    >why so defensive bruh??
    There we go. Keep digging that hole, buddy.

  • stullz

    Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn. I think they’re onto you Michael. :)

  • I was not part of that call, I would have left it.

  • EvanPearks

    Ah, more top notch PR from Niche Gamer!

    The only thing worse than this sinking ship are those pooka shells, you guys really need to fix your lives.

    At least this article is over the standard 25 words…

  • DiggerKnicks

    Might want to amend that earlier statement then.

  • Don Tworry

    “Do not listen to day one reviews, and do not be attached to nostalgia.”

    This sentence is fine without the context. But IN context of, ” Breath of the Wild] is easily the weakest Legend of Zelda game in the last 20 years,” it is pretty stupid.

    I’d advise you to write an article explaining to me how it’s somehow worse than Skyward Sword. That and Twilight Princess would be the perfect examples of the “honeymoon period” for reviews. I’d stay away from a video though since that doesn’t seem to be your strong suit.

    Overall, if your review was so good you wouldn’t need to make a video whining about all the flak you’re getting. The quality of the review should be enough to defend your opinions and this video isn’t doing you any favors.

  • I cant understand why so many people hate Skyward Sword, what about the game is inherently bad. I found it to be an interesting game overall. And its not about the quality of review, its context manipulation, if you dont confront it head on it will always be used as an attack.

  • EvanPearks

    It is.

  • NintendoNaut

    Wow so wait you have an opinion and you can’t understand how others would disagree?

    Well dag-gum.

  • totenglocke

    It’s not context manipulation. Your own previous video had you foaming at the mouth and repeatedly saying that all day one reviews are lying. You need therapy and probably a 5 year ban from using the internet.

  • garf02

    sorry but under no way to spin spin it “Dont listen to Day 1 reviewers” sounds douchbag as hell.

    Day 1 reviews are people that got the game before and was invested on it. Gamexplain clocked near to 100 hours for their review and after it, after more gameplay and more hours keep finding stuff to praise and love about the game.

  • CrusaderEsper

    Gotta crank out a third clickbait article about this? Still don’t have enough eyeballs on the site? I guess I’m just part of the problem now commenting on this instead of ignoring it, but I gotta point out the hypocrisy when I can.

  • NintendoNaut

    Good lord I can’t believe he’s actually doubling down on his stupidity. When I saw this pop I thought MAYBE just maybe it was an apology–Or *at least* an intelligent, reasonable clarification on some of the controversies.

    Nope–Got a sniveling man-child doubling down on his insults and drivel, telling people who disagree to “fuck right off.” Good lord, NG, I cannot believe you keep this guy on the staff.

    Point 1: Yes, you all are stupid if you think the difficulty is good go fuck yourselves.

    Point 2: Yes, all other reviews outlets are honeymooners that can’t be trusted go fuck yourselves.

    Also, I’ve pointed this out before–But I CANNOT get over how he keeps saying, “YOU CAN’T GIVE THIS GAME A 10 IT HAS PROBLEMS” when the ACTUAL NG REVIEW POLICY STATES THAT A 10 IS:

    “The game is not necessarily the best game ever made, but it is decidedly one of the best in its genre. Usually, whatever the game does, it does better than most of its peers.”

    I mean — I’m freaking speechless, dude. Speechless.

  • The Clansman

    The clickbait is getting stronger and stornger in this site.

    Remember when reviews didn’t have a score here? Guess that didn’t bring enough visitors.

  • totenglocke

    When you read his other reviews and then compare them to his Breath of the Wild review, it’s blatantly obvious that they gave it a shitty review just for clicks.

  • NintendoNaut

    You know that’s actually a really good point I remember that! When did that stop?

  • Lepito

    this site was pretty good back when Carl was a contributor and Tyler and Michael weren’t a part of the site.

  • We’ve always had review scores, since the very beginning.

  • rudhvelyn

    God I miss Carl.

  • The Clansman

    First page of reviews, none of them have a score.

  • Sigh, this is because of our old template. I need to get our web dev on that. They have scores our new layout just isn’t displaying them.

  • EvanPearks

    You have to admit this was obviously clickbait though.

  • He’s still a contributor. He just got a day job and can’t write as often

  • The Clansman

    Oh really? Sorry about that then, I always thought this site started using scores from about page 16 I think.

  • Yes it’s an old template that had a built in score entry. Our new theme doesn’t display it. It was only me maintaining the site for a long time :|

  • Riosine

    MJ, Didn’t you said you will move on in your life and do another review next week, when replying to a Nintendo Zealot in the BoTW review?

    Well this article, sound like exactly the opposite

  • That is the dumbest thing I have read. Since you do not know, our ad partners to not pay us per click. It would make no sense to do anything like that.

  • OSad

    Michael, why do you feel the need to shop your goddamn face into your article`s pictures? The first time you did it, it was arguably funny. Now it`s gotten downright creepy. It doesn`t make me want to click on your articles more, it makes me want to avoid them like the plague. It makes you look like a narcissist.

    Also, another completely unnecessary ˜PSA˜? After you got such a lovely response from the first one? Professional game journalist my ass.

  • The DMs were getting bad. Also if you saw, we had 2 reviews out today.

  • GlacialSolace

    This video makes it seem like a lower score was given to exaggerate the existing problems with the game to spite the honeymoon reviewers. I get where it’s coming from, but just because it’s not a 10, doesn’t mean it deserves a lower score than Snipperclips.

  • totenglocke

    What’s dumb is you thinking anyone will ever believe a word you say after all of your bullshit.

  • Not a game journalist.

  • Its all context to what the game is.

  • RetroGamer

    It’s even funnier if you consider “Gone Home” was awarded a perfect 10 on this very site.

  • rudhvelyn

    I really miss when this sites biggest issue was brandon being a tease on twitter and now it feels like there is cunty clickbait authors infesting the site.

  • The Clansman

    I get where you’re coming from, just because it has a lower score that, say, Gone Home, doesn’t actually mean it is a worse game.

    But this just reinforces what GlacialSolace said, it was a score to spite “honeymoon reviewers”. An 8 wouldn’t have got the message that clear.

  • OSad

    Oh, my bad. Just a waste of time and money then.

  • totenglocke

    Trust us, after your Breath of the Wild review, we KNOW! 😂

  • The Clansman

    Oh and what do they pay you for? Everyone knows how the internet works.

  • totenglocke

    Both by you, so no reason to open them. We know how you review games now…

  • GlacialSolace

    Should the review be lower because other reviewers discounted the obvious flaws? (I would argue that these scores aren’t posted in a vacuum and that it makes me question the point of a scoring system if the scores of games can’t be compared in any way. It’s not a huge deal, just comes off as inconsistent.)

  • I cant speak for that person who is no longer on staff and was removed long long ago. I share your mockery of that score.

  • NintendoNaut

    You’re saying you don’t want people to come to the site?

  • EvanPearks

    They needed the clicks dude

  • NintendoNaut

    This is coming from the man who gave Let It Die and Yoshi’s Woolly World both 10s. What do you even say to this kind of hypocrisy lol

  • Quick education on premium ad space. It is based off of unique repeat viewers. Not the views or clicks. Most of our ads are on the front page for a reason. That is why, when we have 500,000 repeat uniques a month its a big deal rather then a bunch of clicks.

  • EvanPearks

    I cant understand why so many people hate BREATH OF THE WILD, what about the game is inherently bad? I found it to be an interesting game overall and its not about the quality of review, its context manipulation, if you dont confront it head on it will always be used as an attack.

  • We’ll be adding this back tonight or tomorrow. We were so focused on the new layout that something like this slipped off our plate

  • Apologize for a review, you got to be out of your mind. Look I am happy for you that you are so in love with the game you can see past glaring consumer flaws, I actually envy you. Hell I have the Master Collection of the game and even unboxed it for the site.

  • totenglocke

    The only people who hate it are anti-Nintendo asshats who haven’t played it and the niche gamer staff because they want to seem “cool” by hating on something everyone loves. I’m expecting them to furiously masturbate to Mass Effect Andromeda purely because everyone else is unimpressed.

  • You know that’s not what I am saying.

  • NintendoNaut

    “Apologize for a review” lol

    You’re so far up your own rear end it’s insane.

  • EvanPearks

    But that is what youre saying

  • EvanPearks

    “I share your mockery of that score”

    But anyone that disagrees with you is an idiot. Ok.

  • Just weird that, that is the way people look at the video. Actually shopped the video around before posting it to gauge the reaction which seemed to be a jokey but fair. I mean in all fairness it was the masses of Nichegamer fans who pushed against co opters that are the real mvps of it all.

  • Let it die for a free game has more weapons crafting and style then BOTW with better combat and story pacing. O and its free by the way once again if you missed that. Yoshi WW is a perfect platformer. Stop being such a fan boy.

  • patyos

    Can’t wait for your next Review ^_^ !!

  • 2 went up today. you can find them on the front page.

  • patyos

    man I loved the detail in that Zestiria and Berseria review

  • Heresy Hammer

    Here come the people who never comment.

  • totenglocke

    Do you have aspergers? I’m being serious, because that would explain a lot about why you don’t understand human behavior.

  • patyos

    Yeah I was in middle of reading them

  • Before more people yell click bait at us, Niche Gamer does not operate on clicks for money. Ya its nice if you check out our advertisers, we love them for their support, but that is not how we operate. Advertising is based on monthly unique repeat viewers. So outrage clicks are effectively worthless.

  • NintendoNaut

    WW is a perfect platformer? Well you’re talking to a Nintendo fanboy who knows what a perfect platformer is and Yoshi’s WW? It’s a great game no doubt but perfect it’s not. Very, *very* easy — Almost to a fault.

    Also, I feel like you’re contradicting yourself. You say people can’t be allowed to give BotW because it has flaws and you *must* account for that in your score.

    But now you’re saying that even though Let It Die isn’t necessarily perfect, it gets a free pass on the 10 because it’s free? Which is it?

  • The Clansman

    DOOD stop being such a fan boy lmao

  • EvanPearks

    Clickbait = New users. Try harder duuuude.

    Just admit you fucked up and you’ll strive to do better moving forward.

  • EvanPearks
  • patyos
  • The Clansman

    Oh wow

  • NintendoNaut

    Cannot believe that NG even let the guy post this. How unprofessional are you guys? First letting him post some cheesy pre-emptive strike on the negative reaction you guys KNEW you were going to get for the review.

    Then he posts the review–Terribly written and thought out but whatever site published it.

    But then after people point out all the valid issues in the review he just takes to Twitter and comments to personally insult and demean people.

    Then he posts a video on the SITE doing the same exact thing. I cannot believe the level of unprofessionalism.

  • NintendoNaut

    Lol top tier professionalism.

  • I had well over a 100 hours in to the game on review. Our intern even pointed it out that it was around 120 hours or so i did.

  • most the ips dont even match our monthly traffic users so meh.

  • perfect34

    How is “PERSONA 4: DANCING ALL NIGHT STUDIO DINGO GOES BANKRUPT” a fix? as was said in the comments for said article DINGO had literally nothing to do with Dancing All Night.

  • Guess you did not read the “Shopped it around” bit.

  • totenglocke

    Wow, so Michael isn’t the only asshole working for niche. Time to find another site. If I wanted to read people insulting their customers, I’d read Kotaku or Polygon.

  • garf02

    yes and?? how does that makes your opinion more valid than day 1 reviewers who also clocked in the hundred hours??

  • Bitterbear

    Look at the bright side: Now you can tease the people working at IGN that you gave a so-so score to a major video game from a major video game publisher and you still have your job.

  • totenglocke

    Michael is the Hillary Clinton of gaming sites. He can’t admit when he fucks up, lies his ass off, attacks those he wants to support him, and always doubles down on the stupid.

  • We always strive to do better things, but as you can see we knew that this would not garner new users. If we really wanted to be a kiss ass for new users we would give it a 10 and play the review up in the zelda communities.

  • Captain Vidya

    I can’t be the only one who’s reminded of when RedLetterMedia put out, like, four videos relating to Rogue One where they kept trying to justify their opinions.

  • totenglocke

    Hardly. Almost a month after release, no one would read a review unless it was negative.

  • I have yet to kill someone for leaking DNC information to wikileaks……

  • Actually no the review runs are high because people still dont have a switch yet. Reviews for us are also evergreen content which get views continuously, even if they are months and sometimes years old.

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  • EvanPearks

    Thats because it is a 10/10 game. You just went with the low review to come off as edgy and detract from the pack. Stop grandstanding, youre literally killing your site lol.

  • totenglocke

    I see you’re still denying the existence of the Wii U. Classic Michael.

  • Thats cold blooded, but for real that whole thing broke my heart.

  • I am a fan.

  • totenglocke

    Sadly, it’s not his site. If I were Brandon, I’d be firing him so fast that he wouldn’t have time to mockingly call someone a virgin.

  • patyos

    Its not 10/10

  • EvanPearks

    Fine, 9/10. Either way they gave it this 7 with a “warning” to generate buzz and piss people off. Its just clickbait

  • VLOCKUP

    Those who assume someone have aspergers would mean that the person himself may actually have aspergers as well.

  • patyos

    Yeah 8 or 9 seems more fair. i’ll agree their

  • I gave a full review with in depth reasons. give me an in depth review on SS. Better yet should I just go back and play the damn thing for a review.

  • totenglocke

    Nope, just one of my good friends does and Michael’s clueless rants are reminding me of that friend occasionally having no clue how to relate to others.

  • You guys do know that I love Nintendo tho right? I was even in Switch promotional material.

  • totenglocke

    But fucking Yoshi’s Wooly World 3DS is? Because that’s what Michael gave it.

  • patyos

    Well atleast the Wii U version runs better and doesn’t have dang controller issues every couple minutes.

  • VLOCKUP

    You will be surprised. Because this have Zelda in it, many lurkers will come out, just like the day BOTW review is up.

    If only most people are like you…

  • VLOCKUP

    You are expecting someone with the Nintendo in his name to stop lol

  • Bitterbear

    No worries. You just can’t please everyone and you shouldn’t.

    Take this as a learning experience and remember that the gaming audience shares a common trait with a cartoon character named Bloo: They just have no grasp of sarcasm when they’re on the receiving end of it.

  • patyos

    Yoshi’s Wooly World on 3DS is a perfect platformer that deserves a 10/10 don’t see what issue you may have with Yoshi.

    Breath of the Wild on the other hand isn’t a perfect Open World adventure game and isn’t a perfect zelda game either with its many flaws.

  • totenglocke

    Well, now we know you can’t be taken seriously. Mediocre platformer = 10/10, ground breaking open world adventure / RPG = 7/10.

  • scemar

    just my two bucks

    handholding boring first hours
    no real overworld
    extremely pointless random collectibles
    trash gameplay thanks to forced waggle elements
    piss easy everything
    everything else in it was just basic recycled stuff

    feels extremely linear, barebones and casualized, which makes sense because it’s what they wanted to create intending it to match the wii’s market

    add to that a story that tries to be a match up to modern games but gets held back by lack of voice acting making the result just a big case of what could have been

    it doesn’t mark any big achievement like jumping to 3D or HD, doesn’t have anything memorable or worthy revisiting either like MM’s amazing usage of time and a living world or WW’s vast sea exploration and so on

    let’s see basically it took away things that were good about the franchise, introduced bad ones, didn’t move it forward in any significant way, and the good things it tried to introduce well half assed

    I’m not saying it’s the worst zelda game tho, but it might just be worse than every other nintendo made console zelda game

  • totenglocke

    Same for the Switch version. But like Michael, you feel the need to lie when the facts don’t support your feelings.

  • patyos

    Well Switch Pro controller works well atleast those dang joycons though

  • scemar
  • totenglocke

    I didn’t say you hate Nintendo, I explicitly said that you gave it a shitty review to try and feel “cool” simply because everyone else loves it.

  • patyos

    Scooby Dooby Doo, Where are you

  • Jumanji Joe

    I’ve got to hand it to you Michael. You’re very skilled in triggering nintenyearolds to the point of insanity. We need to weaponize you and send you all over the net to combat autism.

  • SuuLoliBoob

    Reminder, he won’t listen to people he thinks are “fanboys”. Might as well just stop giving real critique to this guy, because obviously he won’t, and will never, listen.

  • Heresy Hammer

    Imagine him on /v/

  • stullz

    As a motion graphics designer myself, i know what its like to ‘shop an idea around’ and to evaluate for my audience as well as those that its not specifically targeting… you learn pretty quickly that just because your test group was good with it, doesn’t mean everybody will be. And granted a lot of Niche’s audience is on the younger side which tends to accept crass language and humor as ‘jokey’ or allowable, but I know plenty of gamers who are not okay with this sort. I expect better of professionals

  • SuuLoliBoob

    No, /v/ is already filled with retards. No need for someone else with zero self-awareness. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e196360a2f19b6b85ca84e48df0e0e29b4128d98f86ed00676c8565aba9dc00.png

  • CrusaderEsper

    You can now send back your faulty left joycon to Nintendo and they will fix it. They have acknowledged that it is a manufacturing problem and have corrected the problem on their end. It isn’t a Zelda problem. Docking the game for a hardware issue is yet another asinine point in the “review”

  • Heresy Hammer

    Are we talking about the same /v/ ?

  • NeoTruth

    Why, just why did you have to dig up this up again? For more revenue? Pride?
    Even with a video with you clumsily trying to defend yourself?
    Regardless I wont be going into any article with your name attached to it, you lost all credibility for me to take your work seriously.

  • edge

    Yeah, seriously where are these people coming from? Someone on kotaku send their crew?

  • garf02

    im sure he already shitpost /v/

  • Interesting, also thank you. I feel like I need to replay the game again, because I really had no issue with it.

  • I did not say it had any real faults.

  • John Smith.

    Hmm, internet drama time I see.

  • There is nothing ground breaking in this game. Skyrim did everything in this game, and better, problem is it was filled with more bugs. And no 120 temples with child like puzzles is not ground breaking lol

  • Not the left joy con its the right one that DC because of an error with the game.

  • Never go on /v/ actually.

  • SuuLoliBoob

    Yeah, reddit sounds like more of your style, slow and easy to circlejerk in. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4147db43ffe02b0acded21e8df14574987631cb7973863655b12a859707adc0.gif

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  • Zombie_Barioth

    By no clue do you mean the tendency to not understand they’re being rude/insensitive?

    Because not all people with Asperger’s do that, even they can learn to ‘get’ it, even if they don’t necessarily understand what the big deal is.

  • AuraMaster DX (austin9568)
  • Dewey Defeats Truman

    I can’t pretend to have kept up with this shitstorm. I skimmed the review (game didn’t interest me at the time so I wasn’t really taking anything I saw as gospel anyway) and skimmed the comments, both really just out of curiosity about why everyone seemed so mad, but that’s it.

    That said “When I saw this pop I thought MAYBE just maybe it was an apology” is just a really, really fucking bad thought process. If he truly believes what he said in that review, he shouldn’t apologize just because other people didn’t like it. That’s the kind of thing that leads to hiveminds and hiveminds aren’t a healthy thing.

  • patyos

    *Sexy no Jutsu*

  • Zombie_Barioth

    Yep, so much for this “only repeat users count” excuse, since their warning would just as well draw people back to the site just to see how bad the review is.

    This PSA is just throwing gas on the fire.

  • mikebrand83

    If he truly believes what he said in that review, he shouldn’t apologize just because other people didn’t like it.

    If he truly believes what he said in that review, he should be able to let the review stand by its own merit. Instead we get a doubling down with a second “PSA” defending the review.

  • NeoTruth

    Couldn’t agree more.
    My posts mysteriously got deleted twice when pointing out the fact that this article was click bait.

  • sanic

    Jesus Christ is this why game journos come to hate their audience? Y’all are coming off as pedantic cunts who have decided to interpret this explicitly as a slight against you. Further if you feel these reviews are too slanted demand a rubric or something that can better quantify why a game was evaluated as it was.

  • AuraMaster DX (austin9568)
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  • Tubsiwub

    Not to join in on the attack or anything, but your in depth reasons were, “You’re all just nostalgic” and “Every single other Zelda game was better”.

    Any gameplay problems you pointed out were negligible.

  • Tyrannikos

    Good lord, just drop it. Didn’t need the first PSA. Didn’t need this one. You really aren’t required to justify yourself. You reviewed the product in a (hopefully) honest manner. You gave it a score. People got mad. Move on.

    Shit like this reminds me why I only come here for news these days.

  • LaserCatsAreAwesome

    Yes I’d say one of the most legit grievances game journos have against their audience is the massive butthurt generated when they go against the Nintendo narrative, even the asspain thrown out by Biodrones over MEA being exposed as the joke it is and nearly eradicating the idea of Bioware being a special snowflake in the process can’t compare to going against the Nintendo narrative.

  • garf02

    “Jesus Christ is this why game journos come to hate their audience? Y’all
    are coming off as pedantic cunts who have decided to interpret this
    explicitly as a slight against you.”

    funny, swap, Jurnos and Audience and the sentence reads the same way and applies to this case

  • EvanPearks

    Maybe…you’re just too retarded to play the game properly?

  • garf02

    look man, when even other publications take a time to sit downs a do serious analysis of BotW review (the good, the bad and the ugly) and there you get called out, you should take an step back. look at the picture and re-think everything from square 0

  • scemar

    i still like you NG, for news that aren’t written with the snarky and ignorant gamer hating attitude of most gaming sites, for an open comment section that lets users bring up interesting and diverse points, for reviews of niche games nobody else bothers reviewing objectively, for editorials about the state of the industry and its politics from a pro freedom of speech side of the argument

    all of that stuff is why I do keep checking this site

  • NintendoNaut

    If your metric for whether a game gets a 10 or not is: “Does game have flaws check yes or no,” I don’t think you’re qualified to review games, personally.

  • Heresy Hammer

    >Well you’re talking to a Nintendo fanboy
    Step #1 Admitting you have a problem.

  • You’re the one who expected him to apologize.

  • *sigh* Here we go again. I’m not even sure if I should be bothering giving my opinion, but let’s see here.

    To be completely honest, I couldn’t give less of a shit about the review score. I haven’t even played the game, so it doesn’t mean anything to me whatsoever. I do think writing a PSA before the review was not really necessary. It likely was what drew Nintendrones to NG in the first place, because they were sharing the article amongst each other and waited to chew out the site for daring to not give BotW a near-perfect score. Frankly, you guys are bloody pathetic, and seriously need to stop giving a shit about review scores. I used to care a lot as well before I became an adult.

    As for Michael… mate, sometimes you just gotta shut the fuck up. I understand that – and this is assuming it’s true – you received death threats. I also know that you’ve been falsely accused of clickbait and a myriad of other nonsense. I get that. But antagonizing these idiots further, by egging them on with insults and slipping out that you used to do ghost writing before being hired here? Goddamn it, dude, some of what you’ve been replying with is embarrassing.

    You’ve frankly been terrible with PR since day one, whether it was on the now-dead forum or the comment sections. You really need to pick your battles more carefully – if you see something profoundly stupid, you need to make absolutely sure that you want to respond to them, and to think about how. If they really are just stupid Nintendo fanboys – and I say a lot of them are – then you need to just move on and let them be retards.

    That’s my two cents.

  • totenglocke

    That mysteriously no one but you has encountered…

  • totenglocke

    So you’re saying it’s more unique visitors and thus more ad revenue? Jeez, almost like this is just more clickbait bullshit…

  • totenglocke

    “just because it has a lower score that, say, Gone Home, doesn’t actually mean it is a worse game.”

    You have no idea how scores work, do you?

  • totenglocke

    Well, when someone gets caught lying for attention, it’s normal to expect them to apologize.

  • Assuming they actually are lying for attention.

    I’m sorry, but I’ve read your arguments and many of your Nintendo buddies’, and you all fail to present an adequate case that Michael is lying to people for clicks. You’re throwing silly accusations at him because you’re angry at his review score being lower than the average; I’m pretty confident that if he gave the game a 9/10 even with the exact same criticisms, you wouldn’t be anywhere near as angry as you are right now. Because to someone like you, who devoutly follows a company’s every whim and spits on detractors, you care more about maintaining collective agreement amongst everyone than you do allowing for people to make individual judgements for themselves.

    That’s not to say I agree with Michael. As stated elsewhere, I actually don’t care one way or the other about his opinion on Zelda. But I’m kind of tired of people defending Nintendo for the stupidest contrivances – Nintendo never was, nor will be, a perfect company. And the sooner you get that through your head, the sooner you’ll find yourself not getting bitter at others for disagreeing with you.

  • totenglocke

    Clearly you haven’t read anything. People have listed the many problems with his “review”. Things such as blaming the game for a known hardware problem with his controller, crying that it’s too hard, crying that it’s not linear, pretending that the Wii U version doesn’t exist, falsely claiming that shrines are dungeons, etc. Anyone who has played the game can easily point out his bullshit. That’s the problem with posting a clickbait review three weeks after release – most people have already played it and know you’re lying.

  • I’ve seen the criticisms, but I don’t care one way or the other. Your accusations of him clickbaiting people are, frankly, fucking bullshit. And the reason you can’t prove it is because you keep going on the offensive, saying “FUCK YOU MICHAEL HOW FUCKING DARE YOU?”, thereby removing any possibility of people like me taking you seriously. Michael flings shit unnecessarily, but none of you are any better.

  • totenglocke

    Christ, you’re a troll. You ignore all of the facts just to defend a crybaby looking for attention. At this rate, Brandon would probably hire you based on your disdain for facts and blind hatred of Nintendo.

  • Feniks

    Maybe he just doesn’t give a fuck? Stirring up the Nintendo fan beehive is funny as hell and never gets old. I like to browse nichegamer because theyre different from IGN or Kotaku, it is the 8chan of gaming sites. Keep up the good work.

  • NintendoNaut

    He doesn’t understand what people want him to apologize *for* because he’s so narcissistic. Nobody wants him to apologize for giving the game a 7 (though it probably wouldn’t hurt) — People want him to apologize for insulting his readers *and* other gaming outlets. Instead of doing that in the video, he just doubles down and tells everyone to *f*** right off.” Insane.

  • Good video. Only issue is the hand job story was a little too personal and went on a little to long. You need to talk about something, we are here for you friend.

  • Sorry, but I’m being genuine – even if I was trolling, I’m not even good at it. I’m not actually ignoring “facts” (of which they seem to be what you personally agree with anyway) nor am I calling you out as a moron to defend Michael. I don’t even like the guy.

    Notice how you circle back to irrational arguments about “blind hatred of Nintendo”, which exposes you as an idiot fanboy more than it exposes anything about me. And if you think me pointing this out is “trolling”, then you should get over yourself and grow up.

  • Brimfyre

    lol you guys are really trying to get some mileage from that “review”.

    No one really cares. And I doubt many people will waste their time watching that video.

  • Maybe Michael is on the defensive because people keep flinging bullshit at him. Not to say I agree with him firing back – I don’t – but objectively speaking, he wasn’t the one who started this.

    “Nobody wants him to apologize for giving the game a 7 (though it probably wouldn’t hurt) […]”

    You might think of what you wrote in the brackets as an innocuous comment, but it exposes you as an authoritarian. There was literally no need to add “(though it probably wouldn’t hurt)” if you didn’t think he should actually apologize for giving a game a 7 out of 10. Do you have any idea how fucking stupid that is?

    “People want him to apologize for insulting his readers *and* other gaming outlets.”

    Yeah, part of me doesn’t believe you one bit. If these Nintendo fanboys are actually readers of NG, I sure am curious to know why they only came out of the woodworks and commented as soon as someone dared to shit on a Nintendo game. It really makes you think, doesn’t it? Why did none of these people call out Michael, back when he took a massive shit on forum users last year and called them entitled for wanting 4chan-styled free speech? The answer is simple: because it didn’t involve Nintendo.

    And as for other gaming outlets? Boo-hoo. No, really, boo-fucking-hoo. The overwhelming majority of news outlets are full of shit, and Michael has no reason whatsoever to apologize for saying they are. For Zelda specifically, I don’t fault him for distrusting other websites when they give 10/10 reviews despite particular flaws that detract from people’s experiences.

    “Instead of doing that in the video, he just doubles down and tells everyone to *f*** right off.” Insane.”

    Sure, he should’ve just let the issue drop, I agree. But like I already said, he didn’t start this.

  • Donwel
  • “The game is not necessarily the best game ever made, but it is decidedly one of the best in its genre. Usually, whatever the game does, it does better than most of its peers.”

    It is not one of the best in the genre, it does not do anything better then its peers. You are a moronic fanboy Naut, go play some other games.

  • No but you used it as a talking point and im saying its a moot point

  • stabzy

    Gamers get buttmad so easily lmao, no wonder the whole world laughs at you calling you manchildren

  • Ill keep that in mind, the forum issue, had to be done and I rather be the bad guy than anyone else, it makes things easier as a whole and keeps it away from other content. But your comments are 100% valid and i respect the responce, thanks for taking the time to wrote it out. Have a good one.

  • NintendoNaut

    99% percent of players disagree with you. You have a vast minority opinion and you refuse to admit it. BotW takes tasks that I usually find mundane in open-world games and makes them fun and engaging. If you disagree, you are entitled to do so, but to act like your opinion is absolute is the epitome of ignorance.

    You’re getting absolutely destroyed in this comment section for being petulant and childish — You can call people all the names you want but all you’re doing is digging your own grave and showing everyone how much of child you really are.

  • NintendoNaut

    “All other review outlets are shit, Michael “I’m not a game journalist” Jordan knows his stuff.”

    Can’t even have a serious conversation with you lol.

  • buddyluv324

    Fanboys and fangirls that go to this type of extreme will almost always kill a gaming community.

  • Neither can I, when people like you misrepresent my argument.

    1. I said the MAJORITY of game outlets, not all.

    2. Never said Michael knew what he was doing nor talking about.

    Tell me, are you always this disingenuous and stupid? Because you’re pretty good at it.

  • I wasn’t expecting you to respond to me; I’m actually surprised. But you’re welcome – if it helps you improve, then that’s the best outcome one can ask for.

  • Guest

    Mike made one video expanding in depth on his criticisms for clarification. The Plinkett, HitB, and Nerd Crew videos had nothing to do with justifying their opinions. Also, they were correct.

  • Krimhelm

    I think the moment people start sending death threat is the moment the person is allowed to call them permavirgins.
    Just sayin.

  • Negligible or not they are still problem, right? If replaced the name, called the main guy jeff and the main girl Jane, would the problems woth story and design still be overlooked? Would mechanics do e to death in other games still be looked at as “inovative”. I dont know, most likely my last comment on all this, the threats and attack dms stopped so the problem is solved now for the most part.

  • Snorlaxation

    You need to realize they were YOUR problems. Most players, thankfully, did not experience the level of technical issues that you did. And either way, Wii Us didn’t suddenly stop existing when this came out. You could’ve easily found another way to play the game and specified that your review was based on the wii u version (which let’s recall, was the original).

    no, this game isn’t perfect. Like previously mentioned, there were legit complaints to be found, but those complaints should’ve been laid out as “objective” and “subjective”. Just because you don’t like how the story was handled or the voice acting sounded at times (and there were times it sounded pretty lame) not everyone feels the same way about certain subjective topics.

    Your review was prefaced with this warning that was meant to cover your asses while also drawing attention, and then in the review you went and complained about several topics that were inherently unique to your playthrough alone (and some others with faulty switches), along with some valid issues that by that point were ignored because of all the bullshit up to that point.

    And then this. You could’ve just let it go, but you had to drag epona’s corpse out for another couple smacks. What’s happened to you guys.

  • Snorlaxation

    I’m on the fence about that. It depends on what those Flaws are, and how they impacted the game, as well as my own Personal experience, and from all the videos and comments Michael has put out, it doesn’t seem like he’s capable of distinguishing between them.

  • Snorlaxation

    Without the name calling or any of that, here’s where the situation stands, and why so many have issue with it:

    This started just after the issue with Jim Sterling, who’s own issues were with the weapon breaking mechanics- (and it admittedly strong arming the player into trying other -perfectly viable- options to deal with enemies)

    the stamina mechanic- (specifically that it was so small at the beginning and was difficult/took too much time to raise)

    and that climbing in the rain was made more difficult because everything is wet.
    And yet, praised the game for it’s looks and gameplay style and felt that it was both refreshingly different from past games yet perhaps too different from its own roots. He gave it a 7 out of 10, and was one of the first big name critics/reviewers to do so with this game.

    Then comes NG’s review, which started with a preface article- “Review’s coming, but watch out
    because it might not mesh with what everyone else is saying! Don’t
    believe Day 1 reviewers or those with nostalgia goggles because none of
    them are objective enough to give a real review of this game!”

    Then comes the review which focuses far too much on their experiences of technical issues with the switch impacting the game, not liking the way the story is progressed/discovered, and also has issues with the weapon breaking mechanics to such a strong degree.

    And then in the comments for the article and video continues to stand by their mostly Subjective review and call those who disagree as uninformed, misinformed, or nintendo fanboys who aren’t worth speaking to.

    And then instead of doing the smart thing, we have this rehash/repeat of the same stuff, only with a more whiny tone.

    tl;dr

    I loved this game, but my love does not blind me to its faults. I wrote down my own review on the comments of the review article for botw, showing how it should’ve been done, by seperating your own problems, from the actual game’s problems, and culminating in an honest and in depth review.

    They didn’t do that, and they have the gall to complain about the backlash and claim they’re one of the few voices of reason in a sea of mindless fans. That’s what Michael should be apologizing for: for being a tool.

  • Kiwi Hoy

    I love watching damage control it sustains me

  • Russell Smith

    Thanks for letting me know to route any future articles through archive.is.

  • bomblord

    I came into the review with a clear mind. With 70 hours in the game I can for certain say every problem you had does not manifest itself as any sort of problem in the actual game from the perspective of a player who has been with Zelda since ALTTP.

    I can’t even say your points were just nitpicking they just were not problems most of the issues you pointed out were actually pieces of brilliant game design that you were somehow trying to spin into a negative light. Examples include the ability of enemies to kill you in one hit which you claimed was just bad game design. It was being used as a natural method of controlling player progression while still allowing a completely open world. Advanced players with a mastery of the games system could even go into the late game areas with nothing but some sticks and a pot lid shield and kill guardians. Other complaints ranged from the game should have been condensed into a smaller number of dungeons as opposed to a large number of shrines which I strongly STRONGLY disagree with. And the ability to climb ruining progression. Which I also find silly.

    I can understand how there can be differences in opinion from a spectrum of people which some of your problems are I mean a niche game with mediocre with is one of my favorite games of all time (Ar No surge). However, there were a few points where what you said was just outright wrong. For example sound effects do not in any way mute the music.And the voice cast is a high quality professional one with performances that are from an critical standpoint strong (maybe you just didn’t like the voice actors?) https://zeldauniverse.net/features/meet-the-voice-actors-from-breath-of-the-wild-spoilers-within/

    The praise from even professional game developers on how it absolutely excels at the formula and best its peers can’t really just be written off as just fanboy whining or whatever idealogy you used to write off pre-release reviews. https://youtu.be/hk-EnbS42dM

  • BubbaHoTep

    Most of the comments that I read did not have an issue with the game getting the score it got and many people would agree with some of the criticisms made, myself included. The problem they had was that the review was tinged with tones elitism, ignorance, and a tad bit of narcissism; opinions were voiced as if they were undeniable fact; hardware issues were used as criticism of the game (Halo 3 getting criticized because of a 360 RRoD would sound pretty silly); inability to grasp concepts that even IGN reviewers managed was blamed on bad game design; one of the few examples of true non-linear game design was apparently a poor choice, as was making some early enemies more powerful; people that found things difficult were not intelligent; saying that other reviews weren’t trustworthy and to wait for your review (which is possibly correct, but is still unprofessional and places too much worth on your own opinions); etc.

    Going into the comments and getting aggressive with users was also not the wisest of decisions and effectively admitting that people’s criticisms should be dismissed because they are not in line with your position is not going to endear many people. I found this site because of the Gamergate debacle, so it’s quite baffling that a writer here seems to have learned nothing about not insulting their user base. I’m not saying you should bend over backwards for people, you should still stick to your guns, it’s simply that remaining civil and diplomatic tends to produce a lot less issues in the long run.

  • Like I’ve said before, and also others, there was no need to preface the review with a warning that it’s not going to be a 10/10 game. That was Michael’s mistake. But can you seriously expect me to believe that he should ignore technical faults in the game? I see people keep complaining that he dared to point those out – and the reason they do it is because they want to feel comfortable and tell themselves, “Nuh-uh, the game itself is perfect – you’re just making excuses with your hardware”.

    Even if they were correct, none of you can explain why that shouldn’t be in the review – Michael was the one who reviewed the game, not anyone else, so he has to go off his own experience. If his experience was hampered in some capacity, why should he not bring that up? Just to please people? If so, that’s as childish as one can get.

    As for the story, Michael’s not the only one to have criticized it. Angry Joe said the same thing. Yet he’s left alone despite also saying the story is disjointed. Now why is that, exactly?

    Everyone criticizes the weapon-breaking mechanic; I haven’t seen a single person say it was good.

    To this day, I still don’t understand how exactly one reviews a game objectively. Reviews are not news articles, because reviews directly require you to discuss your personal thoughts and experiences with something, right down to the review score. The only thing I can think of that is objective about a game review would be performance issues (frame rate, resolution, etc.).

    This bitching about Michael saying people who ignore those faults in the game are deliberately blinding themselves is honestly tiresome. It’s plainly obvious that Nintendo fanboys are working their magic here, because why else would Niche Gamer suddenly have so many comments? And the problem with fanboys is they become engulfed in confirmation bias, and they do this by navigating for any and all reviews that agree with them personally. As soon as a detractor is found, they chew them out.

    And I’m sorry, “they have the gall to complain about the backlash”? If the backlash involves alleged death threats, then the backlash kind of hurts its image, wouldn’t you think? Wouldn’t you think being constantly accused of clickbaiting by people who should know better would be kind of annoying and delusional? Because at this rate, I’m more inclined to agree with Michael being the more reasonable one here.

  • garf02

    The moment people start to sens death threats you print em and make paper planes with em to see if they fly.

  • Komi-san

    Nintendo shills that had never commented on this site before are totally right. Outrage!

  • Komi-san

    Apology for a video game review. Jesus you people are fucking retarded.

  • Sean Sharpe

    I don’t think the majority of the people upset about the review care about the score… Based on what I’ve seen, people are more upset because the review made you come off as a bit of a prick. Your write up on pewdiepie had the same tone.

    Maybe that’s the persona you want to put forward. Maybe, in real life, you’re the sort of guy I’d share a beer with. But the review and the rebuttal just makes you come off as a prick.

    If I wanted to read a review, where the author acts like his view is gospel and anyone who disagrees is an unwashed plebians, I’d look to Jim Sterling. And since I don’t…

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  • Mighty No. 56008

    “I also want to thank all the people that were able to step away from the review with a different perspective and a clear mind.”

    A tad passive-aggressive much? I mean, I don’t agree with all the flack you’re getting in the comment section, but I can’t blame them for getting upset when you’re essentially implying that not agreeing with you means you don’t have a “clear mind”.

  • Dale Frewaldt

    Please, this page has about 150 more comments than the average Niche Gamer article. I really doubt anyone is going to see you ever again around here.

  • Ryan Barrett

    This video is what made me leave the site forever. And no I’m not going to respond to any replies to this comment.

  • Snorlaxation

    No no no. They complained about technical difficulties that the SYSTEM (the switch) had that hindered their gameplay, and that affected their score (and some supposedly heavy framerate issues that went beyond what most experienced).

    They could’ve easily gotten their hands on a wii u version, or another system entirely, because most people who’ve played this game on the switch had no where NEAR the same level of issues that they unfortunately had, and even fewer had those problems on the wii u.

    Michael didn’t focus on the disjointed storytelling, he complained about the way in which you go about finding out what the story was, so that’s not quite an equal comparison.

    As for the weapon breaking mechanic, it’s not FANTASTIC, but I don’t see that many people bitching about it because it ruined the experience for them. Like I said before, the major downside of it was that it created the illusion of choice at worst, by forcing the player to try alternative ways of dealing with enemies and bosses, but those alternative ways work perfectly fine: bombs, sneaking around, the multitude of weapons you can steal from enemies to restock using just a leaf at just about any point in the game.

    The only ones complaining that STRONGLY about it are people that just aren’t good at games.

    Notice that I’m not praising it either though. It could’ve been handled better, either by allowing weapons to last much longer than they do, or by instead making certain enemies immune or resistant or something to certain types of weapons. I and many others had no serious issues with swords breaking every few battles, even if it was annoying now and again, but pay attention to how I’m complaining about it in comparison to how people like Michael did.

    Niche gamer has tons of comments on many of its big articles all the time, so it’s not nintendo fanboy-ism that’s bringing in these numbers alone: it’s how stupid michael made himself look. Had he just done the review, and only his review, without making a stupid preface/defense sandwich out of it, this would’ve blown over by now.

    And death threats?? Where? All I’ve seen is the usual “kys” or “fucking die” or “just kill yourself already” that you can see just about anywhere online, and are worth about as much as a wooden nickle. Now, if there were actual threats to his person like “im going to find you and do (insert various threats here)” then yes, that is horrible, and hopefully those comments are being reported or something.

    As for how someone does an objective/subjective review, here’s a simplified example:

    “Objectively, this game had two major issues, and one minor one:
    framerate drops, weapon’s breaking (though mostly because it strong arms
    the player into trying other fully functional ways of dealing with
    enemies and bosses), and then the lack of a food compendium.

    Subjectively,
    there were times that the voice acting grated on my nerves, and I don’t
    just mean the sounds of their voices (which is one of the ultimate
    topics in subjectivity) but the quality of it (like Terra in Birth By
    Sleep levels of bad).”

  • First off, before I reply, because I already know you’re disagreeing with the performance issues, read this article: http://nichegamer.com/2017/03/31/new-zelda-breath-wild-update-reportedly-improves-performance/

    Now, onto the reply…

    Your first point has been debunked already. You would know this if you read the above article I linked for you.

    “Michael didn’t focus on the disjointed storytelling, he complained about the way in which you go about finding out what the story was, so that’s not quite an equal comparison.”

    Piss off with this disingenuous semantics game – they are literally the exact same criticism.

    “As for the weapon breaking mechanic, it’s not FANTASTIC, but I don’t see that many people bitching about it because it ruined the experience for them.”

    You don’t visit the places I do.

    “The only ones complaining that STRONGLY about it are people that just aren’t good at games.”

    That’s a good way to insult the vast majority of BotW’s player base, considering Nintendo games are primarily for casuals.

    “Notice that I’m not praising it either though.”

    I have noticed, I just don’t care. I never asked for your experience with the game, because it’s not going to change Michael’s.

    “Niche gamer has tons of comments on many of its big articles all the time, so it’s not nintendo fanboy-ism that’s bringing in these numbers alone: it’s how stupid michael made himself look.”

    Define what is “big” for NG. The average number of comments total around 30 or fewer. As soon as BotW was brought up, they exploded. It is very clearly a fanboy issue, and you know it is based on how they try rebuking Michael, using language like, “Fuck you, BotW is a perfect game!”, for example.

    If you bother to look at my previous comments, you’ll notice I call out Michael for being bad at PR in general, and I didn’t resort to false accusations of clickbait. Everyone else who says he’s clickbaiting is, put simply, butthurt.

    “Had he just done the review, and only his review, without making a stupid preface/defense sandwich out of it, this would’ve blown over by now.”

    Finally, something we can agree on.

    “And death threats?? Where? All I’ve seen is the usual “kys” or “fucking die” or “just kill yourself already” that you can see just about anywhere online, and are worth about as much as a wooden nickle”

    I said “alleged death threats” for a good reason. I choose my words very deliberately.

    As for your objective/subjective examples, I know what the difference is between the two, but people keep saying Michael and other reviewers need to be “more objective” in reviews. I find that to be nothing more than an excuse, a way to strong-arm detractors into giving angry people what they want.

  • Travis Touchdown

    Smug’s a pussy who hasn’t been showing his face at all since I started commenting regularly.

  • Travis Touchdown

    Like a bitch. I love how you thank your from followers from your safe space on twitter. It really goes to show you just how few people were actually on your side during the entire fiasco.

    I think that review in particular really highlights the problem with Nichegamer in general: It’s blatant bias and hostility against anyone who opposes the opinions of the staff. According to you, those of us who consider BOTW one of the best games aren’t looking at the game with a ‘clear mind.’ Never mind that virtually all of your complaints have been discredited by a wide range of other players, who played and beat the game before you did.

  • Travis Touchdown
  • Derpy Kitty

    I just started, so I can’t really say much on the game, just a couple hours in, but honestly.. 7/10 seems fair, maybe generous if the game doesn’t pick up. I don’t get all the hate on the score.

  • Derpy Kitty

    I don’t get why people are so grumpy over the score. So far, it seems fair. I haven’t gotten deep into it, but… If it doesn’t pick up, the score might be generous to me. :c I just don’t see how it’s a 9 or a 10.

  • RHELSAGE

    @Michael_Ship2Block20:disqus Zelda fans are zealots. Stop giving them a forum and they’ll go away. Its not intelligence or the lack thereof that’s the problem, its the fanaticism and religious fervor that is the issue. Seriously, back off, stop making articles, let it die down and back away from the crazy.

  • Komi-san

    he got banned.

  • Mike Mohamed

    Jim Sterling and Michael Jordan wrote the only sensible reviews of this game. Even if you disagree with what they said they had reasons for rating the game the way they did. I don’t think anybody came to this website over the BotW review, or at least very few people. The majority of visitors are probably frequenters.

  • Travis Touchdown

    Haha. Really? By who?

  • Pilebunker

    I don’t know why you would even make this. Unless it’s some form of apology, simply moving on is the best strategy for all the negative feedback you got. Doing something like this just seems more lick damage control and will bring more looks of pity than sympathy. Hell you could have even just made it a highlighted comment in the comments section of said review.

  • Keirnoth

    “I can’t even say your points were just nitpicking they just were not problems most of the issues you pointed out were what I and many others seen as pieces of brilliant game design that you were somehow trying to spin into a negative light.”

    I think that’s the problem. Michael was probably looking at it from an outsider’s point of view and you were looking at it from someone who’s a longtime Zelda fan.

    I am the same when it comes to people who criticize my favorite game, Devil May Cry 4. If you’re a “normie” gamer you’re gonna get bored with it because its surface-level features are not enough to keep you playing. (Somewhat opaque explanation of controls, long drawn out levels, lack of save/midpoints, the backtracking, lack of a full campaign for all characters, etc.)

    If you’re someone who’s into it for the mechanics and/or have been with the DMC series for a long time, then you’ll probably end up ignoring a lot of that and focus on entirely the good. Excellent graphics, insanely in-depth combo system, beautiful artwork and scenery, etc.

    The kind of response people are giving BOTW reminds me way too much of the fanboyism around Skyrim, and that game is extremely flawed as well. If you disagree with the review that’s cool, but not a lot of people had your type of response. The people who flipped out about Michael’s review were basically those thinking the comment section here was a /vg/ or /v/ thread.

  • Keirnoth

    I’m a disinterested third party with no nostalgia for the original Zelda series so it is indeed entertaining to watch.

  • Keirnoth

    ” It likely was what drew Nintendrones to NG in the first place, because
    they were sharing the article amongst each other and waited to chew out
    the site for daring to not give BotW a near-perfect score.”

    I understood Michael’s attempt at the PSA because he knew a backlash was coming, but a backlash came anyway. It was a nice try, but it was going to be a shitshow either way.

    “Frankly, you
    guys are bloody pathetic, and seriously need to stop giving a shit about
    review scores. I used to care a lot as well before I became an adult.”

    You are assuming Nintendrones are adults. Yes, yes, “#NotAll”, but the behavior of some of its fanboys for its franchises are pretty shitty. I’m on the fighting game community side and we shit on Super Smash all the time because it’s not a fighting game and jesus christ its “competitive” community is unbearable.

    Also folks, if you’re going to criticize someone so they listen to your advice, this is the best way to do it. “ur a faget” is going to do nothing to give feedback to a reviewer. I hate to sound all cringey and shit but good on you for providing suggestions.

  • Snorlaxation

    Michael specifically mentioned framerate drops experienced that were so bad they not only got in the way of gameplay, but actually caused their switch to crash. The article didn’t prove me wrong because I said,multiple times all over these articles, that most people didn’t have experiences that were as severe as his.

    In my example on objective and subjective I even mentioned the framerates as being an unequivocal Objective issue. Most simply didn’t have such a buggy experience though, but a few did, which is why Nintendo said those fans should send them in for replacements.

    Most saw a notable, but not horrible nor game breaking, framerate drop in certain areas like with tall grass, and have now said this patch helped. And in the wii u version the drop is even less noticeable now.
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    I don’t see “being more objective” as any kind of excuse. More reviewers need to understand the difference between what they didn’t like about the game, and what was actually Wrong with the game.

    Dungeons for example. I miss them. They acted as a pretty solid way of testing not only your understanding of the new weapon of that segment, but typically all of your knowledge up to that point.

    The fact that they’re gone is a Subjective issue though, because the game has stuff that was put in its place, because they were going in a different direction with this world and they chose to do that. It’s something Different, basically, and if enough people feel the same and speak up, then maybe that’ll show the creators that it might’ve been a mistake, but only time will tell if that happens on either side.

    No, that wasn’t disingenuous semantics. Michael complained about how “optional” the main story felt because it wasn’t handed out to us, and we had to go search for it. His actual criticism of the story itself I think only went as far as: it’s shallow. No surprise there.

    finding out the story this way wasn’t the best way they could’ve done it, but it fits well enough in a world where an amnesiac hero wakes up only to see that most of his journey has already happened, they lost, and he needs to fix that shit before going off to the climactic final battle.

    As for the number of comments on an article, I don’t know. Maybe I put my foot in my mouth there. I just usually thought I saw more than your number of 30 comments or so.

    But you need only read through those comments to see that not everyone cares about this games score, it’s about how Michael chose to review it, to draw attention to his opinions and get defensive about it all, and how he’s poorly handling legitimate criticism because he’s assuming that most of them are from blond Nintendo fans, even when they’re not.

    You’re right that Michael is Very bad at PR, and has proven that in spades, but even though I would say that he was seeking attention for this review and now his defense of it, I wouldn’t use the term click-bait. I’ve seen daily mail articles and some YouTube content creators that were Truly and shamefully click bait, and I just don’t see Michael’s articles as bad as all that.

  • Snorlaxation

    It’s a party fighting game. Not the same, quite obviously, but still related

  • Snorlaxation

    Jim praised the game and it’s look and even the journey all positively, but because he couldn’t get a handle on the weapon breaking mechanic (which while easy to work around, did admittedly strong arm the player into a false sense of ‘choice’),

    and because he didn’t like the stamina mechanic (mostly because he didn’t like how little you start with and how long it takes to increase it), and he also didn’t like that trying to climb something in the rain was difficult, he gave the game a lower score.

    He got justified shit for that. He critiqued the game, not really reviewed it, and he allowed what he didn’t like to affect his opinion.

    This game isn’t perfect, but it’s not as frustrating as he made it out to be. Had he been more objective, maybe he could’ve made a good review.

    As for Michael, he allowed his own mostly unique experiences and issues with the hardware to color his opinion of the game. And then he went and said his was more objective simply because he wasn’t a day one reviewer and pushed this elitist type of image. It’s kinda pathetic.

    Again, this game ISN’T perfect, but neither Jim’s nor Michael’s ‘reviews’ did this game justice

  • Bradley Litzenberger

    Yeah, this place is dropped as far as I’m concerned. At this rate I might as well get all my news from 4chan, cause at least when somebody insults me I’ll be expecting it.

  • Kiryu

    Nintoddlers still throwing a temper tantrum about a review.

  • “I understood Michael’s attempt at the PSA because he knew a backlash was coming, but a backlash came anyway.”

    I also understood the thought process, but if I were in his shoes, I would’ve just published the review and let the shitstorm blow over.

    “I’m on the fighting game community side and we shit on Super Smash all the time because it’s not a fighting game and jesus christ its “competitive” community is unbearable.”

    Hey mate, same here! Haven’t played a proper fighting game in a while, though.

    “I hate to sound all cringey and shit but good on you for providing suggestions.”

    Cheers, man.

  • “Michael specifically mentioned framerate drops experienced that were so bad they not only got in the way of gameplay, but actually caused their switch to crash. The article didn’t prove me wrong because I said,multiple times all over these articles, that most people didn’t have experiences that were as severe as his.”

    If that’s the case, why did it affect Michael’s experience, and why did Nintendo update the GAME instead of the CONSOLE? You are deliberately ignoring this fact to keep peddling nonsense about Michael being unfair on the game. How can he be expected to review a game “fairly” if he keeps experiencing problems? You can’t seriously believe, if it’s a hardware issue, that he should’ve bought a brand new Switch just for a single review.

    “No, that wasn’t disingenuous semantics. Michael complained about how “optional” the main story felt because it wasn’t handed out to us, and we had to go search for it. His actual criticism of the story itself I think only went as far as: it’s shallow. No surprise there.”

    It felt optional because the story was DISJOINTED. If it’s deliberately disjointed, you have to go look for it, do you not? God, and people said I’M the troll…

    “As for the number of comments on any given article, I don’t know. Maybe I put my foot in my mouth there. I just usually thought I saw more than your number of 30 comments or so on many of them.”

    It depends on the topic. Censorship articles easily get the most attention, because it’s what we care about the most.

    “You’re right that Michael is Very bad at PR, and has proven that in spades, but even though I would say that he was seeking attention for this review and now his defense of it, I wouldn’t use the term click-bait. I’ve seen daily mail articles and some YouTube content creators that were Truly and shamefully click bait, and I just don’t see Michael’s articles as bad as all that.”

    It’s not you specifically that is calling it clickbait, but I’ve seen several comments from others saying this.

  • alex9234

    He actually came back.

  • Snorlaxation

    Are you reading what I said, or am I having a stroke while typing??

    “If that’s the case, why did it affect Michael’s experience, and why did
    Nintendo update the GAME instead of the CONSOLE? You are deliberately
    ignoring this fact to keep peddling nonsense about Michael being unfair
    on the game.”

    It affected Michael’s experience because he had a bad Switch, like a noticeable percentage did, which is why Nintendo allowed people to SEND them back in for those issues, or because of issues with the controllers.
    Nintendo’s update of the game had to do with framerate drops, (and more than likely other smaller things because this is a new console), but again, and let me be as clear as i can:

    Framerate drops were happening to just about EVERYONE in certain areas, usually ones with high grass but also a couple others, but the MAJORITY of players ( because there were a FEW others who’ve had some similar experiences to michael) have NOT experienced drops that caused the game to be *unplayable*, *unseeable*, or outright cause the CRASHING of the console.
    And let’s not forget that the wii u version, the original version, is fully playable, and not a single report has come out of anyone having issues anywhere as Severe.

    If i’m going to give a review of one of the big games of this year, and maybe of the last several years, I’m going to do whatever I can to give a thorough, balanced, (i.e. GOOD) review of the GAME itself. You can do that, AND alert the readers to the issues with the console, because it’s no surprise that a brand new console would have issues on its own, especially when compounded by such a large game (since it’s no secret that nintendo’s games may look pretty, but the hardware limitations have always kept them from looking their best).

    There’s no pleasing some people. WAH WAH WAH this game is too linear. Now it’s WAH WAH WAH this game has too much freedom.
    I get that there are alternative ways of showing what Link had forgotten, but I have yet to see something that actually does any better in theory than this did.

    Exactly, and that’s why I said that a lot of articles on here do get a lot of comments on them, and that this particular one (or the other botw articles) wasn’t solely getting so many comments just because of some nintendo fanboys, nintendo fanboy-haters and the like.

    And yeah, I’ve seen those comments. I get what many of them are trying to say, but I just can’t get behind the specific ‘clickbait’ accusation.

  • garf02

    >sensible reviews
    HA

  • garf02

    are you implying NG is nor happy with all the traffic?

  • UnpluggedBeta

    Late to the party. I read the review before I played the game; I like to be a guardian against hype so the review was spot on and welcome. Now that I’ve actually played the game, I think it’s probably as good as the hype train was trying to have me believe…. but the reaction from the peanut gallery in the comments of that review were so crazy, hilarious, and out-of-line that I still desperately want to believe the game is garbage even below a 7.0 score.

    “Am I really enjoying a game that those mongrels enjoy?” is the thought process in my head right now. It’s really embarrassing; they’re the antifa of the vidya world.

  • “Framerate drops were happening to just about EVERYONE in certain areas, usually ones with high grass but also a couple others, but the MAJORITY of players ( because there were a FEW others who’ve had some similar experiences to michael) have NOT experienced drops that caused the game to be *unplayable*, *unseeable*, or outright cause the CRASHING of the console. ”

    I’m pretty sure there is always a statistical chance of any game crashing regardless of the hardware’s quality. Trails of Cold Steel crashed for me only once, and it wasn’t due to my hardware, because my PS3 is fine. So even if it WAS Michael’s hardware, explain to me why no other game he has played has been reported to have crashed on his Switch.

    The truth is, you can’t, because as far as I can tell, he hasn’t actually said his other games crashed.

    “And let’s not forget that the wii u version, the original version, is fully playable, and not a single report has come out of anyone having issues anywhere as Severe.”

    Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, the reason no-one reports on the Wii U version having problems is because, like, ten people are playing it on there?

    “You can do that, AND alert the readers to the issues with the console, because it’s no surprise that a brand new console would have issues on its own, especially when compounded by such a large game (since it’s no secret that nintendo’s games may look pretty, but the hardware limitations have always kept them from looking their best).”

    Get back to me when the Switch reportedly crashes all the time while playing the new Dragon Quest game that requires an entire SD card for itself.

    “Exactly, and that’s why I said that a lot of articles on here do get a lot of comments on them, and that this particular one (or the other botw articles) wasn’t solely getting so many comments just because of some nintendo fanboys, nintendo fanboy-haters and the like.”

    Well, no shit they aren’t the only ones to comment. But you can tell who’s just in the comment section to bitch about the review score because of their Nintendo bias – ask yourself how many of these people actually show up in other articles non-Nintendo related. Because the only one I can think of is Travis Touchdown, but all he ever does is shill for Nintendo anyway, even in non-Nintendo articles.

  • Snorlaxation

    no, there are plenty of people who’ve chosen to not shell out tons of cash just to buy a console that has one big game and a couple small ones. As much as some people want a switch, not everyone who’s played the new zelda game did so on the switch, and if you and i did a quick pole on various sites like this, we’d find it’s a large enough pool of candidates to find proof of what i’ve said.

    Besides, if this game was causing issues like this on both consoles, there’s no way that kind of news wouldn’t be Everywhere.
    And like i said, attempting to clarify once again for you, new console (with not very strong hardware) plus new game that’s pushing it to some possible limits = equals problems. The game itself is a dream to look at, but it requires power that might be beyond the switch to play. I have no doubt that this is a switch problem, not a game problem (although I will concede that it might be a cartridge problem, since I think i heard that the type of cartridge has been damaged by switches since it’s so delicate.

    As for the commenters, that’s what I’m saying. Look at who’s commenting! The first (preface) article was a mixture of fanboys/fanboy haters, and people thinking michael was a baby/looking for attention and recognition by being edgy with a possibly negative review of a big game, and his ‘don’t listen to day one reviewers’ comments and sense of smug superiority rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
    The actual review article was mostly fanboys I’m willing to bet, followed very closely by fanboy haters bitching about their bitching.
    This article? This is mostly pointing and laughing at how defensive and stupid michael’s choices were and how he simply should’ve let this stuff go.

  • A tertiary Google search does confirm some people bought used Wii Us for Breath of the Wild, but there’s no way you can tell me the Wii U player base outnumbers the Switch’s for this game specifically.

    “Besides, if this game was causing issues like this on both consoles, there’s no way that kind of news wouldn’t be Everywhere.”

    Depends on the outlet, I would argue. The only relevant Wii U news over the past several months have been on its production concluding, having cancelled Kickstarter ports, and that BotW is the final Nintendo game on the console, ever. The Wii U is completely irrelevant for most people.

    “The game itself is a dream to look at, but it requires power that might be beyond the switch to play.”

    Wouldn’t that mean it’s the devs’ fault for making a game that is too big for the hardware they’re using? It’s almost like, if that’s the case, the problem here is for SOFTware, not HARDware. Keep in mind, also, the Switch version is actually a port of the Wii U version, which makes sense because the game was slated for a Wii U release when it was first announced. Which, again, does not mean it’s a hardware issue.

  • Snorlaxation

    Oh god no, i didn’t mean to imply that at all! The switch made a killing with sales whereas the wii u… well. What i mean to say about that though is that there are definitely enough people who bought this game for the wii u because ‘hey, i already own this console, why not?’ or possibly ‘hey i can now make this shit console i regret buying with so few games i even wanted more relevant in my life again!’

    And what i meant by news is that if botw had been having such noticeable and severe problems on both platforms (no matter how few instances), that would’ve marred the high appraisal and applause the game was getting, no matter how irrelevant the wii u’s become. I’d argue it would be a big point, because like you said, the game was originally made for the wii u, and if it had had issues there in the same ways as some have had severe issues on the switch, that would definitely be something we’d see more of on many gaming sites.

    When it comes to nintendo, they often have issues with their hardware and software capabilities. They’re never in it for the super realistic high def graphics. Aside from being shinier or smoother or a bit more detailed with each new game on each new console, very little has changed regarding the look of nintendo’s biggest IPs over the last decade. Check out how ‘realistic’ they tried making things look in melee with mario and luigi’s overalls or (yuck) how they made poor yoshi look.

    Nintendo takes forever to change its mind on things, and while that has worked in its favor greatly in some ways, when it comes to others, not so much. Remember the whole sonic rise of lyric debacle? game was made, not for the switch though, and subsequently, everything had to be reworked and quickly, and the result? Mostly garbage and glitchy af.

  • ” if it had had issues there in the same ways as some have had severe issues on the switch, that would definitely be something we’d see more of on many gaming sites.”

    Again, I say it’s dependent on the outlet. Otherwise, I’m still sceptical.

    “Remember the whole sonic rise of lyric debacle?”

    I actually never heard of the game.

    “game was made, not for the switch though, and subsequently, everything had to be reworked and quickly, and the result? Mostly garbage and glitchy af.”

    So it’s a software issue?

  • Snorlaxation

    I suppose, yes. The wii u wasn’t meant to be able to handle certain engines or was simply incompatible with them, and as such resolutions of Sonic rol had to be scaled down and reworked in some parts. That led to bad textures, numerous glitches, and (maybe this was already a part of the game regardless) very tedious and bland gameplay

  • Okay, so can we finally agree that because it’s a Switch port, and because the Switch is more powerful than the Wii U, the technical problems people have had with BotW is due to the software?

  • RHELSAGE

    I have no way of knowing or caring what NG does or does not do with traffic, other than I’ve come to feel that more Zelda fans should play in it. Every year there seems to be some vocal group of zealots ruining games by being alive. First it was lawyers trying to make a quick buck, then moral outragers going ‘think of the children!’, then it was politicians, then women, then feminists, and now Zelda fans. Same shit, different year.

  • Snorlaxation

    I’d have to say yes and no. Look at the effects of the recent patch http://www.siliconera.com/2017/04/05/heres-look-breath-wilds-1-11-update-improves-framerate/

    I think it’s both a software issue and hardware issue, in that the switch just isn’t strong enough for everything that botw has to offer.

    http://nichegamer.com/2017/04/03/cemu-update-1-7-4-brings-impressive-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-emulation/

  • I’ll just accept the compromise here. It took me forever to get you to at least admit the software is also at fault.

  • Well said.