Git Gud Or Die Trying: Why Game Journalists Need Skill

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This is an editorial piece. The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of, and should not be attributed to, Niche Gamer as an organization.

I know it’s great for our hit count and keeps people caring about little rebel gaming sites like us, but I really do despise talking about GamerGate and the foul torrent of bullshit that rolls down the newly built fortress of social justice which has turned the hobby into its own personal outhouse.

It just seems so silly to have to explain – in editorials such as this – simple things like “let the buyer decide what is acceptable” and “allow developers to create what they want.” After all, it’s been that way through all of the 80s, 90s, and 2000’s, so why are we now being convinced that regression is the new progression in gaming?

The latest mark of shame stamped onto the hobby’s forehead is the proclamation that, according to our erudite betters, one does not need to excel at gaming in order to adequately critique it.

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In fact, they claim it’s a plus rather than a negative, since the unskilled game journalist broadens the spectrum of people that might join the hobby by speaking to prospective consumers on a neophytic level which some newcomers may find less intimidating.

Before I address that, let me first say that gaming does not require such people. The hobby doesn’t need uncommitted, “softcore” players to pad out its ranks since it already surpasses both the music and movie industry in terms of yearly revenue and did so long before mobile games came along and hooked your baby brother on Angry Birds.

You can blow all the smoke you want about middle-aged women buying Candy Crush time or teenagers stealing mommy’s credit card to purchase hats in Team Fortress 2, but the lion’s share of the hobby’s revenue still comes from folks buying the latest Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty.

That’s why launch events for those games are bigger than the lines waiting for the next Marvel movie. Simply put, it’s the hardcore gamers that made this hobby and keep it financially healthy.

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Now getting back to the reason for this editorial…why should a games writer have to be good at gaming?

Let’s ask another question: Do you want your car worked on by someone whose knowledge of automobiles is so anemic that they don’t know the difference between a carburetor and a fuel injector?

Do you want a mechanic who skittishly avoids engine repairs because fixing them is “too complicated”? Do you think any garage would hire a mechanic who refused to work on certain parts of a car due to them being beyond their understanding or ability?

Imagine having a hardcore street racer and “tuner” fanatic being told that they’re being exclusionary and elitist because they won’t let a car-hating, completely untrained and unskilled “wannabe” mechanic work on their automobile. Sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it?

Yet in the gaming hobby, we are now being told the same thing. 30-year old, goony, bearded hipsters are writing articles about games they hate and complaining about their inability to play them, then passing off those who object to their uneducated critiques as entitled men-children.

To your modern game journalist, having knowledge and skill is something to be ashamed of, yet hating the hobby and its adherents is considered both charming and inclusionary.

If you remember (or read the article I linked in the second paragraph of this editorial), you’ll know that this whole issue first sprung to the surface due to the Doom video that Polygon uploaded.

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In the video, their reviewer struggled with aiming, shot at medkits, and generally failed at everything they attempted to do.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, anyone with working reflexes called the video maker’s skill into question and cited it as yet another reason why “big games media” is failing the hobby.

Even more unsurprising was how quick the typical hipster wannabes rushed to defend it.

In their defense of the video, one of the most frequently parroted proclamations was the old “this is why games aren’t taken seriously” chestnut. To them, gaming was teetering on the edge of mainstream credibility as a meaningful art form.

They blame the so-called cretinous dogs who think gaming is about fun and challenge, the ones who prevented it from shedding its childish origins so that it could morph into the elegant butterfly it was always meant to be.

Earlier in the editorial I said that gaming doesn’t need half-hearted casuals or the uncommitted to thrive, and this very obvious truth is what is behind the modern game journalist’s anger.

They know that long before their bandwagon-hopping, Felicia Day-idolizing writers discovered how fun it was to pretend to be a techie (something that became adorable thanks to being heavily romanticized in popular media), the gaming hobby had already surpassed music and movies on the list of most lucrative forms of entertainment.

So why on Earth does the world’s most popular form of media, the one that makes the most money per year, have to change? Especially when each consecutive year brings in more money than the previous one?

Oh, gaming does need to change, but not the way opportunistic game journalists say it should.

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Gaming needs to stop treating its customers like children that can’t handle adult material or situations.

Gaming needs to stop nickel-and-diming people with cut content disguised as launch day DLC.

Gaming needs to stop assuming piracy can be stopped and ditch their invasive DRM schemes.

Gaming needs to stop needlessly altering games for other territories and passing it off as “localization.”

In short, the game industry needs to realize that gamers really did grow up and don’t need to be protected from offense, assumed to be criminals, or viewed as walking banks.

Now, according to them, change should come by way of making games easier, removing fail states, removing punishment for mistakes, and making games be more about informing people of social injustices.

Of course, when they make those types of games and they fail, they’re quick to tell people how it was everyone’s fault but their own and that “this is why no one will take the hobby seriously.”

No, people don’t take the hobby seriously because the vast majority of the people covering and critiquing it are untalented hacks who have a backwards anti-gamer/anti-gaming agenda to push which seeks to undo thirty years of established (and revenue generating) norms.

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It looks as silly to non-gamers as it does to those who do game.

Editor’s Note: Featured image via Red Bull Sports

Carl Batchelor

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Carl is both a JRPG fan and a CRPG'er who also loves European PC games. As a gamer with over 30 years of experience, he bravely balances married life with his hobby.

  • Celerity

    In before cucklords are triggered by Carl.

  • SJWs need to fuck off out of gaming and all of entertainment media.

    And feminism is cancer.

    Thanks.

  • drolyag

    i_ain’t_clicking_that_shit_nigga.exe

  • Xekus

    Great article, feminism and muh social justice is a cult and a virus on society who rather see freedom of expression and speech get teared down and destroyed instead of lifting their nasty little fat hands to make the putrid garbage they want to play.

    Probably because as we all know, they are talentless assholes.

  • Jack

    ja wohl

  • Minuteworld92

    The ps4 power and eject buttons are confusing…. Holy fuck….

  • brainiac7

    I fear this is a never ending battle. There is always going to be a certain amount people whether they are on the left or the right who feel the need to enforce their own beliefs on everyone else. The regressive leftists screaming about the exploitation of fictional characters in a game are no different than the religious nuts who used to burn Harry Potter books because it promoted witchcraft.

    I just cant ever understand why some people cant just ignore stuff they don’t like. There is all kinds of things on Television, in music, and video games I find uninteresting, stupid, or yes even outright offensive. But I don’t demand that it doesn’t exist anymore. Change the channel. Seriously how hard is it?

  • dope_danny

    B-but buzzwords! ableism! signal boosting! feefees! didn’t you get your indoctrination info pack telling you how “this is NOT okay, and thats okay” today? Do you want to get in trouble with thinking wrong?!?

    Seriously though i look froward to the inevitable damage control reaction articles to attempt to impotently rebuttal this growing sentiment that always follows. God knows the CON log leaks have them in a complete fervour right now.

  • Audie Bakerson

    “Do you think any garage would hire a mechanic who refused to work on
    certain parts of a car due to them being beyond their understanding or
    ability?”

    This is probably a bad metaphor. It’s preferable to have one admit “this isn’t something I can fix” than have him poke around anyways.

  • Great article, thanks for writing this.

  • Dewey Defeats Truman

    There ain’t no shame in being shit at games. Everyone’s shit at something, most people are shit at a lot of somethings. The problem comes from being shit at something and being a bitch about it.

    It’s like fighting games. I’d personally respect the guy that gets is ass wrecked nonstop but has a good time more than the guy that acts like he’s a god at the game and then cries about how broken the character you used is and how he needs to be nerfed when he inevitably loses.

  • sanic

    In any hobby the most important thing is passion, its what drives people to improve and learn more, I think that’s something a lot of game “journalists” lack.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99
  • Master Bating

    Its ok

  • Tubsiwub

    It’s disgusting seeing someone playing a game badly, complaining about things that are core to the genre, then calling the game bad. I’d never review a heavy strategy game because I get bored with them. It’d be unfair critique. While I like shooters, I’m bad at them… so if I did critique an FPS, I’d have to give credit for the small differences I do notice and give pass on the things that I can’t accomplish due to my obvious lack of ability.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Preach on! Preach! LOL

  • Richard

    Perfect! Great article Carl!

  • Kiryu

    To polygon everything is confusing.

  • “To polygon everything is confusing.”

    Except parroting Anita Sarkeesian’s teachings and bashing on straight men of course.

    They’re fucking faultless at that.

  • Pirate Booty

    Funny how Polygon has closed the comments and ratings on their DOOM video. When all their other videos have not. He’s horrendous, he doesn’t even know how to strafe around a corner.

    All of the people at Polygon seem to be hipsters who have started gaming in the last 3 to 4 years.

    Thank God almost all FPS today are actually so noob friendly, that guy would have never gotten even a single kill in UT or Q3A.

  • exo

    I have to wonder why these people are still relevant. Non-gamers don’t read their crap, they’ve got better things to do. All they do is insult gamers, so it’s hard to imagine that there’s people in that group who support them. Sure, they have their small echochamber of people who agree with them, but that’s not nearly big enough to keep them relevant. So why are they still here?

    The answer is articles like this. The only relevance these people have comes from the outrage they generate and generating more outrage is the only way they can stay relevant. But who is to blame here? Are they at fault for writing bullshit that they may or may not even believe themselves? Maybe, but you can hardly blame them for using methods that obviously work very well. This community should know better than any other to not feed the trolls, yet it keeps taking the bait over and over and over again.

    When will we stop giving them the attention they need and just let them slide into irrelevance?

  • Jimmy

    Yeah because wanting better representation and diversity is a cancer and not the mras who harass women and defend white washing and complain about Mary Jane

  • Rogar the Greater

    Go whine about it on Tumblr, why don’t you?

  • Ckarasu

    You don’t need to be good at gaming to critique parts of a game(story, graphics, soundtrack). Some genres are more easy to critique even if you suck at games due to them being accessible. So it’s not a black and white kind of deal, I feel.

    Of course, if the game is something that actually demands skill to play, then you should be skilled at it if you want to review it. Or at least acknowledge that you stink at it and not blame the game for user error.

    Also, so long as the ESRB exists, and the AO rating remains a death sentence, we will still have to deal with censorship in some form. It’s an unfortunate reality that doesn’t look to have any remedy at the moment.

  • Riosine

    Ho ho, they want the games to be even more easier than they are right now, today games are filled with simplifications like, for console fps, bullet magnetism and aim assistance, so even someone afflicted with Parkinson can play them profficiently.

    And then they claim video game have a childish origin when their origins are actually closely tied with mathematical simulations and computer science. they are total noobs all around

  • “So why are they still here? The answer is articles like this.”

    No it isn’t because of articles like this.

    It’s because the likes of Kotaku, Polygon, etc. are the big MAINSTREAM games media.

    The corruption in games journalism and feminist gender politics in video games comes from the regressive leftist SJW politics that has currently infested the entire mainstream media, news media, academia, education, politics, government and all of entertainment media.

    This “sexism/racism in gaming/comics/movies/etc.” stuff is not random and did not happen overnight. It is a carefully planned and highly-funded political scheme that is designed to indoctrinate, restrict free speech and police art in order to gain more control of the public. Video games is just ONE of it’s targets.

    It goes all the way up the political level.

    Articles like this are definitely needed to expose and call out the SJWs, otherwise they get away with it. They won’t stop even if we stopped giving them attention.

    Always remember SJWs see silence as acceptance. We need to always speak up about them and call out their bullshit. By doing this, not only does it make them think twice, it also informs neutrals and new gamers.

  • RetroGamer

    Something I’ve always hated is reading reviewers criticize a game for being “too hard” when the problem, in fact, was with the reviewer’s on ineptitude for playing it. I remember some reviewers giving Double Dragon Neon mediocre-to-low scores for being “too hard.” When I think of hard games, that doesn’t even make the list.

  • Pirate Booty

    I think you need to be really good at gaming to critique it.

    I just hate when for example, CNN critiques a nation with one of their SJW journalists without knowing anything about the country. I just hate it. It is so ignorant and so out of touch and demeaning.

    It’s exactly the same when SJW who don’t play games, or play very few, now start to barge into debates about games they would never play.

    If you want to critique a game, fine, that’s great, I love freedom of expression, but for the love of God know the culture and actually have a history and some credentials to back up your statements.

  • Here it is, the feminist SJW-cuck to the rescue

  • FrostSalamander

    Fantastic editorial, loved it, you really hit the nail on the head Carl.

    Games shouldn’t be considered an art form or held up as such, sure some artsy shit came about, but in the beginning, games were just about having fun. Fun can most certainly include a good story, well-written characters, etc. But it’s the gameplay itself at it’s core that matters most. The story can be absolute garbage with characters that have the depth of a kiddie-pool, but if the gameplay itself is fun and the mechanics well-executed, none of that shit hardly matters. Carmack said it best “Story in a game is like story in a porn movie. It’s expected to be there, but its not that important.” I feel like this still rings true or at least should.

    Now though, have numale hipsters, feminists, and SJWs as a whole trying to push gaming as some sort of next-level art form and all the pretentiousness that comes with it. They’re all like a flock of harpies who screech endlessly; screeching that sexy characters in games like the upcoming Tekken 7 or in Dead or Alive are misogynistic portrayals, that black people getting killed in Resident Evil 5 is racism (despite taking place in Africa), that gamers are all self-entitled manchildren who can’t handle real “art”, that “localizing” games by removing “problematic” content is a-okay because it fits their own petty morals, that games should cater to casual players/new players so they aren’t scared away from the gaming scene. I’m so sick of it all. THEY’RE the children; they’re the ones who can’t handle sexy fictional characters, badass dudes fighting, blood and gore all over the screen, etc. They scream “think of the children!” but if parents did their jobs, and were actually fucking parents instead of letting internet and videogames raise their kids, then this outcry wouldn’t exist in the first place. They scream “wahhh think of the women! You misogynerds!” but if thin-skinned floozies, or anyone for that matter, can’t handle what’s in a game, then they should just fuck off and go about their own business. No one wanted them here, but they just slid into the gaming scene, and spread like a cancer. Now it’s rampant, and you can’t do anything without it being labeled racist/misogynist/transphobic/homophobic/etc. If these asshats would’ve just been ignored in the first place, they never would’ve gained traction. But oh, “that’s not very PROGRESSIVE of you gamers. You guys should be more PROGRESSIVE and quit sexualizing women! Sexualizing men is a-okay though. What?! You killed a non-white person in a game? YOU FUCKING RACIST PIG.”

    I love videogames. I hate the gaming “scene.” I hope this all stops one day, it’s exhausting. I just wanted to play videogames.

  • Mea K

    1) Yes. Fuck “representation” and “diversity”. Let creatives make what they want to, with no quotas. It’s their story, and it doesn’t have to cater to anyone else. If you’re a pansexual fairy of color and you want to see yourself better represented in video games, pick up programming/art/writing and be the change you want to see.

    Better yet, stop letting superficial traits determine whether you can “identify” with a character or not. I am not a fat Italian plumber. I am not Donkey Kong. I love Samus and play a female Shepard despite being a man. I can identify with the struggles and emotions of a wide range of different characters that don’t superficially resemble me because I’m not utterly consumed by identity politics.

    2) Advocating for the rights of men in no way involves “harassing women”. I suspect when you say “harass” you mean “disgree with”, and when you say “women” you actually mean “feminists” (these are not the same thing, thankfully).

    3) Someone’s opinion on whitewashing has absolutely nothing to do with them advocating for men’s rights and I have no idea why you would bring this up in that context.

  • Ckarasu

    I think it’s more important to be able to distinguish and explain actual poor game design and user error. Even if you’re bad at the game it’s still possible to separate the two. That’s how I feel.

  • Pirate Booty

    I also didn’t like when Sony and Microsoft, started just mass supporting indie games. And many times under the guise of SJW agendas (female / LGBT / race).

    I have nothing against indie developers itself, or any group of society. But featuring games should be based on MERIT, there should be critical anlysis of a game based on the GAME, not based on who developed it. If you are a minority, female, I don’t give a rat’s ass about that, is your game good or not? If it’s not, Playstation or Xbox or Steam, should not feature it.

  • Pirate Booty

    I could meet you halfway, 50% journalist and critical thinker, 50% gamer.

  • Guy Dudebro

    Games can still be art. Don’t make this about that.

  • Jimmy

    Coming from the guy who thinks all feminist hate men not just the extreme ones and defends lolicon

  • FrostSalamander

    It all stems from the same tree though; they go hand in hand. They want games to be taken seriously as an art form, so in order for that to happen they shout that gamers are just manchildren who aren’t worth listening to, that games with sexy girls are misogynistic, etc etc.

  • Nisani

    “In the Polygon video, their reviewer struggled with aiming, shot at medkits…”

    haha, that is the funniest thing I read all week, the idiot was firing at medkits, oh polygon

  • scemar

    oh fuck yes, amen to all of this

    reading this gave me immense mental pleasure man
    it’s all that had to be said and more

    gaming doesn’t need “journalists” that hate gaming, almost as much as they hate themselves, and want gaming to be everything it isn’t

    it needs people who like it for what it is, and thus can appreciate it and want it to improve for real

    everyone else, stay behind, gaming will move forward without you

  • scemar

    YADA YADA YADA WORDS WORDS WORDS

    nobody cares anymore

    call us all sexists for not wanting our medium brought down in the name of a corrupt agenda, that shield has ran out

    feminism is cancer

  • in that case you have the wrong person because I don’t actually think all feminists hate men, and I’m not even into lolicon

    Also: 1 comment 0 votes lol, at least make a few more posts beforehand to make yourself look a bit more legit :^)

  • scemar

    not all sure, just maybe, 99%
    but a person that follows feminist ideology and doesn’t hate men is like a religious person that doesn’t believe in the god of his own religion, it’s quite a weird thing

  • scemar

    that’s retarded logic
    it’s the kind of stuff that someone who wanted to sound above it all would say, without actually thinking about the matter at all

    they’re not trolls, that argument doesn’t work, they were already big before anyone was against them, and people against them have only managed to bring them down

    they’re actually a product and they exist because they have a market, and they have a market right now for various reasons
    because they are well positioned, they have good deals, good advertisement, and had a pre established presence, they don’t post stuff to make someone else mad and somehow that’s the end goal so anyone exposing them helps them

    in fact, it does the entire opposite

    seriously re think about it please

  • exo

    You’re giving them way too much credit. Most of these people are simply con artists. They care about the clicks and the money that comes with it. That’s it. They don’t care what they write, they don’t care who reads it, they only care about money and generating outrage has proven to be very profitable. It’s an effective marketing strategy with even presidential candidates relying on it.

    A minority genuinely cares about pushing their agenda and they’ll happily work together with the other group since it allows them to promote their ideology and their own personal brand. They need to generate outrage, otherwise there’s nobody that will listen to them because they are irrelevant nobodies. Gaming websites will gladly support them of course, because it’s outrage that will give them clicks. They write something, knowing very well that they will get reactions. This community will gladly give it to them and then they can easily position themselves as victims, allowing them to push their agenda and personal brand outside of gaming as victims.

    Again, ignoring them is the correct option here. As long as their names don’t get thrown around twitter along with angry comments, they stay as what they are. Literal nobodies.

  • scemar

    the problem is that until now, it was a battle where one side was not present at all

    so it was really just an occupation

    and the medium was being held hostage by them

    if we end in a long term cold war, that’s awesome
    it’s a huge improvement

  • Marc Duarte

    The problem is you’re forcing your diversity garbage down the throats of people who don’t want anything to do with it. All they want is to be left alone to play their weeb games in peace. This is why a lot of us harbor nothing but disdain for you normalfags, who go around trying to dictate to others how to live their lives.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    You accuse MRA’S of being female harassers yet the concept of all feminists being manhaters is generalizing all feminists. Holy fuck you retards can’t even keep your own bullshit straight.

  • scemar

    it’s kind of an irrelevant point
    if they are or aren’t, who cares at this point

    it’s not why we play

    the only ones that really wanted them to be art are the journos who desperately wanted to feel important because they could not get jobs writing for any other medium

    someday games might be considered art by everyone, it’s probably going to happen with time simply because people will grow up with them and when it happens, it happens

    until then, who cares

  • Riosine

    That is a Non sequitur. disliking an ideology Doesn’t imply the act harass woman nor the remaining part of your intelligible ranting.

    Ultimately its you the one that is babbling about diversity and yet failing to respect the liking, space and priorities of other groups. The very antithesis of your claims

  • Jimmy

    You can play whatever you want you are the one dictating people by tell them to fuck off because they criticize games and want games to grow and not just appeal to the same people like you, not saying you can’t like your weeb games but acknowledge those games are subpar compare to other high quality Japanese games and western games

  • buddyluv324

    No surprises there. They’ve proven themselves to be incompetent when it comes to gaming. Hell, they didnt even bother to review Staf Fox Zero cause they thought the controls were too hard >D

  • FrostSalamander

    > it’s not why we play
    I know that, the point is to play for fun, to be challenged, to test your skills.

    > the only ones that really wanted them to be art are the journos who
    desperately wanted to feel important because they could not get jobs
    writing for any other medium
    That and to push their own petty morals and beliefs, yeah. That’s what I’m saying. But that coupled with mainstream media narrative has nothing but regressed the gaming industry as a whole. Instead of finding new ways to make even better, tighter, more fun games, they’re worried about whether or not something will be branded as racism/misogyny or that people will complain about it being too hard.

    > until then, who cares
    I care, because it’s only going to keep getting worse, these assholes are only going to get more pretentious, and the games are only going to keep being less game-y and closer to walking simulators.

  • scemar

    they still gotta nerf Cloud tho

  • scemar

    Yeah but we have to take a neutral stance on this, I think

    we can’t openly advocate against games being art, that’s illogical

    but trying to push for their recognition is even worse

    so a deliberately “stop caring” stance is the only logical way for the medium right?

  • So not only have you completely ignored my point about the SJW political level, your advice is basically:

    “ignore them and they’ll go away”

    I remember plenty of people saying that about SJWs/feminists right at the beginning of GamerGate.

  • Hypocrisy and double-standards, one of the hallmarks of SJWs and feminists

  • Riosine

    It works with the normal JW though, the ones that knock your door in the morning to rant about magickal god on the sky.

    So Why exactly it can’t work with other forms of delusionals?

  • buddyluv324

    The biggest problem with the progressives always crying about diversity and representation is that when it comes down to it, its really just more about having control. Nothing wrong with wanting some sort of diversity and representation, but whats the point in bitching and moaning for it when the same people dont really vote with their wallets? We’ve seen this fail many times with the recent marvel comics, movies and to a certain extent in video games. There has to be a good quality behind the product you want to see more of and you cant blame it on MRA’s or Gamergate if that product fails. At the end of the day, you have to let the product speak for itself.

  • FrostSalamander

    > we can’t openly advocate against games being art, that’s illogical
    How is it illogical? I mean we see what’s happened/is happening now that all these assholes are trying to make games “deep” and “artsy”, and all the pretentiousness that comes with it, instead of just having something fun. Sure, people can do what they want with whatever game development software/engines as they please, but walking simulators and the like simply aren’t games; they have no challenge, no gameplay or gameplay mechanics, and are 9 times out of 10 painfully short. But see because of this push to make games art, games aren’t allowed to let loose and be fun because “ew that girls too sexy, how misogynistic,” “ew that’s too much blood and gore,” “ugh this game is too hard on easy mode, too inaccesible,” etc.

    > but trying to push for their recognition is even worse
    I’ll agree with this until the day I die.

  • exo

    I ignored your point about the political level because you didn’t provide proof and I don’t believe it. Politics have always owned the mass media and they can push just about anything through it, they don’t need to control the entertainment industry. In fact, state-controlled industries are usually not optimal economically and a good economy it the single most important factor in controlling a population.

    Indeed, plenty of people said that at the start. And most people did the exact opposite which is why SJWs and feminists are now more prevalent than ever in this industry.

  • Kiryu

    When these progressives speak about diversity they mean diversity of skincolor not thought,that should tell enough about what kind of people they are.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    SJWs want Games to be considered as “art” so they can push their lazy, talentless, underachiving, ugly, boring disgrace that is the media hyped speculative bubble of “postmodernism”

    When they say “art” they don’t mean Vanilla Ware drawings, Gulty Gear’s music, Okami’s looks, Deponia’s comedy, nonono
    They mean crap like Gone Homo, Sunset, Deprecion Quest, and all that boring shit that prioritises “muh Social Critic” over FUN

    That is why shit with mediocre gameplay like The Last of Us or Telltale’s visual novels get so much praise, because SJWs think that “muh heart warming story” and “muh relatable characters” are more important than the FUN factor.

    SJWs and all other forms of Marxism are fucking cancer and they need to die

    As slowly and painfully as possible

  • Kiryu

    I never got that “logic”,ignore them and they will go away.Ideologues and criminals in the gov get away with their doings exactly because people ignore them.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    >Muh white washing
    Yeah right because (((Marvel))) has turned a fuck load of ethnic minority characters into Arians, right?
    Because the Norse Mithology pantheon of gods was full of dindus, rigth?
    News flash fuckhead, all those dindu wahsed characters will be forgotten as soon as your SJW cancer dies out and we will be left with the same old boring all white cast you bitch and moan against so much
    I like diversity like in the Captain Planet or the FF7 cast, but if you want diversity to last:
    YOU MAKE NEW CHARACTERS, NOT RECOLORS OF ESTABLISHED ONES WHO WILL FOREVER LIVE IN THE SHADOW OF THEIR ORIGINALS
    >>>/oven/

  • Kiryu

    Back to your safespace Neofag.

  • Jimmy

    What’s wrong with the last of us I’ll take that over re 6 at least it’s a real suvival horror

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    Considering there are still a few 2nd wave feminist alive today, it is true that not all of them are misandric, hetero/caucaciophobic communist, collectivist female supremasist
    But almost all of the non hatefull femitards are on their 3rd age

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    True, Journos don’t need to be good at games, they just need to be able to enjoy them.

    I love RTSs & Fighting and i suck at them, but i still think i’m good enough to give an acurate critic of a game, even if i suck at it, so long as i can enjoy it.
    But only if the fact that i suck at playing is well known by my readers

  • Riosine

    Hey don’t talk shit about the real Norse pantheon, It actually had a black, melanin, representative, the wolf Fenrir whose nose is, well, black. And there is also a major Snake who, Spoilers, will kill thor in Ragnarok.

    So see their religion is well beyound multi raciality but multi species diversity. unlike judeo-christian-muslim bullshit

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    Reminds me of the IGNorant God Hand Review

  • I would and can provide proof, but I don’t think I’ll waste my time on someone who could be so oblivious to miss the fiasco about Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, Arthur Chu, etc. and the countless articles in the mainstream games media and mainstream news media that protected them and demonized GamerGate during the span of at least the last 2 years.

    “Politics don’t need to control the entertainment industry.”

    I see you’ve completely missed the gender and race politics on MTV, movies, sports, adverts, celebrities (Beyonce, Emma Watson, etc.), comics (DC, Marvel), etc.

    Did you know that recently a Marvel billboard was criticised by SJWs/feminists for “violence against women”? Get out of your bubble and Google it. I dare you.

    Listen, we’ll just agree to disagree. I’ll leave it there.

  • Minuteworld92

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

  • Minuteworld92

    Atleast resident evil 6 isn’t pretentious

  • Didney Worl
  • I don’t even like the new & modern way of video games being taken “seriously”.

  • Robot Maid

    Next time someone asks you for an easy game, tell them any of the Souls games. Since there are no fail states in those games, you cannot fail at them. There’s no “losing” in Dark Souls.

  • giygas

    Paste Magazine. What a fitting name for a hipster outlet.

  • Fear Me I Am Free

    Nice strawman.

  • Fear Me I Am Free

    Oh please, SJWs defend actual pedophiles.

  • Fear Me I Am Free

    Which is ironic because they they preach equality, they show themselves to be just as racist and sexist as the people they claim to fight.

  • Fear Me I Am Free

    Seriously, gaming was fine before SJWs decided to inject their politics into gaming.

  • Year Zero

    People have every right to play the…”games” that you mentioned. What aggravates me is when people exercise their right to criticize these “games”, they are labelled every nasty ‘ist’ & ‘ism’ under the sun by a large section of the gaming media & MSM.
    And FTR, I think The Last Of US is a very good game with excellent
    gameplay & story. Why you’ve thrown that in with the other crappy
    products is beyond me.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Top Kek

    The xenophobic, ethnocentric religion of savage, barbaric northen pirates who pillaged, raped, enslaved and burned everything they could not plunder is actually more inclussive than the kike monotheistic cult claiming that their tyranical, authoritarian god is made of absolute benevolence and tolerance…

    I find that almost as ironic as the fact that Zeus, the god of the fathers of modern western civilizaton, was an utter asshole compared to Odin, who now a days is known as Santa Claus.

    Let dat sink in

  • Guin

    It went into several dark ages. This is one of them.

  • Bob Smith

    Diego Umejuarez is a sexy man.

  • Guin

    “muh high quality games”
    List them so we can rip you several assholes.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    It’s called capitalism ye filthy commie scumm!
    If “diverse” vydia (or at least whatever your retarded interpretation of the word “diversity” is) actually sold jack shit then you can bet your leftard ass there would be someone trying to milk shekkels outta your ilk by pandering to you.

    Unfortuantely for Tumblr snowflakes, weebs like us have always spoken louder with their wallets thatn your ilk ever had

    that said, it ain’t like we give a fuck about “muh diversity” so long as the game is good. but our gripe whit you is that your solution to the problem is not to make more diverse stuff (some of you try but you utterly suck at the FUN factor of the games you make) but to remove stuff that refuses to meet your retarded “diversity quota”

    An activist builds a ramp for people with wheelchairs
    SJW, on the other hand, bitch and moan that stairs are offencive to people without legs
    And then you wonder why the internet despises you?

    If you don’t like it DON’T FUCKING BUY IT but stop trying to get shit banned becos your feefees

  • Minuteworld92

    The last of us is a generic shitty zombie romcom made by a company that has stopped making fun games to resort to making generic over the shoulders action gears of war styled set piece boring progressive thrillers because “cartoony games don’t sell”

    Fuck naughtydog. Fuck the people who fired the story writer of the first 3 uncharted games so they could make the series more of a progressive cinematic movie where the series’s protagonist gets his shit kicked in by a stronk woman of color. And fuck today’s industry that encourages boring interactive romcoms.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    TLOU is a meh game with very well written story and outstanding presentation, definetly and 8/10, but as far as gameplay is concerned, it’s a 6/10
    Lame shooting, lame stealth, lame crafting, lame combat, no exploration, no puzzles, no plattaforms, even Uncharted, as linear as it is, has better gameplay
    Not what i would call GAME of the year, if it was a movie, FUCK YEAH, but no, it’s a game and it must be judged as such, not as a fucking movie

  • VOCALOID2

    Are we still going after boogiemen? Companies did nothing wrong/normies suck at games.

  • Games are art by definition. You’re also deluding yourself if you think that characteristic matters for your conclusion. Non sequitur.

  • Feniks

    When I started gaming I was lousy at it. Should have seen me use a xbox controller for the first time in Halo! But I always aspired to become a hardcore gamer from day one.

    Casuals have mobile phone games. An enthusiast website doesn’t need them.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    What? Not guzzling down gallons of cum?

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    My main gripe with Telltale (besides the fact that there is almost no difference between “playing” and youtubeing them) is that they are laveled as “point & click adventures” instead of Visual Novels wich is what they trully are

    I had a nephew, a complete newfag to vydia, hooked on clasic Lucas Arts adventures and he was very diaspointed when he tryed to google newer games in the same genere only to find that the top results were Telltale’s crap, Life is Tumblir, Not King Quest and so on.

    He was lucky to have me to point him in the direction of Daedalic Entretainament, but other newfags may not have that luck, furthermore, devs that make “real poin & click adventure” games get pushed aside and into obscurity because these barely playable visual novels take the spotlight becos “muh story and character” instead of the fucking puzzles that should be front and center

  • Nazzaroth

    you have some good points but your metapher with the mecanic doesnt really work here, reviewers dont work on a game they write articles about it. they dont need to repair stuff they just need to know how the game works and tell you if its a game that delivers what it promises or not.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    So apparently people has been wondering how some random treasure hunter with no military training finally meets his match and the only option is to survive.

    If some normal named PMC soldier of color was able to manhandle Drake like the Sarkeesian approved bitch that is Nadine Ross I wonder if you would had bothered to stay silent. But you know what? Fuck Nadine and everything she stands for in gaming and lets review bomb the offenders like the little British Twats they are.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    I love how Jimmy created a new account just to bitch about a us. It’s a good we don’t ban or delete because we prefer to rape your ass with an aids infected dildo.

    Now bend over little Jimmy, it is going to hurt.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    It bothers me so much that the fucking game does not once even try to acknowledge that sice matters when fighting

    Black bitch may be a Kung Fu Kang and that may help her 1 on 1, but agaisnt the 2 brothers?!?!
    Neither of them tryed to takle her or catch her leg or arm to hold her while the other pinned her down to gorund and pound her?!?!

    I can buy that she is such a bad ass that she can dodge and kick both their asses with nothing but speed and skill, but at least make the fucking fight believable! this niggress just high kicked’em a couple of times and then went on to fight as if she was in a bar brawl

    And of course she had to escape unkilled by the heroes, right? no other henchmen in the series ever managed to get away except for “muh stronk dindduette”

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    Unlike religious crazies, the SJWs knows how to use social media.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    Nathan Drake has super human finger grip judging by the way he climbs, i’m not surpriced he can KO most goons with a few punches

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    As I said, it doesn’t matter to Minuteworld, all it matters was Drake got his ass beat by Annie Thatcher’s Dornish Fantasy self insert.

    And for the record, I have decided to call Sarkeesian Annie thatcher after Margaret Thatcher. They did the same thing, killed an industry, made an enemy out of real men and plans to emasculate the rest of them.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    Go kill yourself, you made an account just to try and tame us? Let me tell you this. We Niche Gamers are proud to be misogynistic gamergaters/goobergators and we will chase shitheads like you out of here so long as you sound liek a feminist cuck.

  • Smug

    “at least it’s a real suvival horror”

    Play the first Alone in the Dark titles, Penumbra, Siren or Fatal Frame, and we’ll talk again you plebian

  • Minuteworld92

    T-that physically hurts me after reading that…

  • Smug

    Japanese visual novels have more complexity than ‘post-Walking Dead’ Telltale titles when it comes to choices and routes.

  • Smug

    The whole push of “video games are art” is to make it like the circlejerk mess that is MODERN ART: no criterias of what makes a good work, skills are no longer needed, and feelings are all it matters.

    So no fuck that shit

  • Smug

    Good job falling into the liberal trap of “videogames are art”

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    True but most reviewers today fail on that front too. More often then not game reviews are for sale, objectivity be damned.

  • scemar

    politics is the downstream of culture, entertainment is the most prolific form of culture

    media, entertainment, culture, industries, governments
    they all have small connections here and there

    not talking about illuminati secret stuff here, I’m talking open and known stuff like a simple foundation promoting something here, or a company funding some politician while also benefiting of the ideas that politician sells, etc

    you have way way much more to learn

  • scemar

    some people don’t get that they are the mainstream being pushed by big big money and with the back of the mainstream media which will either hide or demonize us

    meanwhile we are the grassroots counter culture, by the people, which has to struggle to reach people and engage them, show them there’s more to the officially sanctioned thought

    ignoring them is the worst option at this point
    we don’t have to fear feeding them attention

    they have to fear feeding us

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Because that’s just the nature of human beings. We thrive on power especially the power to control others. That’s why we’ll always have to fight for our freedom.

  • Madbrainbox

    If I could choose a god to worship from all over the world,that would be Odin.Such a great god he is.

  • Smug

    There is a reason why I like Arino, because he’s the guy who still persists no matter what even when he often gets wrecked

    Journos are not only not good at video games, but complain it’s too hard, cant handle banters, and want to bring people down to their skill.

  • CyborgNinja

    I agree. I’d also consider TT games as visual novels rather than point and click adventures. Hell, my first game ever was a classic point and click game.
    I like Telltale for the most part but the only thing that aggravates me is the whole “your choices matter” BS. No matter what you do, the outcome is always the same.

  • Madbrainbox

    That is true.But to be able to comment on/critique or review something you need to put in the time and effort and at least try to get decent at it.

  • Madbrainbox

    Here’s a message for you from Guts if you hate video games yet it’s your job to write about them:

  • Thanks, so by your logic, if current liberals are wrong in almost everything, that means they’re always wrong? Don’t be retarded.

    SJWs handpick what they deem art or not, using characteristics like the art being “immature”, “offending”, “sexist”, “exclusive” etc, I believe you know this shit, and this is why they’re wrong. Not because they deem games art. Devil May Cry is art just as much as a walking simulator or The David is art. One is a good game, one is a famous sculpture and one is shit, but shitty art or interactive art is still art.

  • Madbrainbox

    Truly?You think feminists are hated because they simply want diversity?
    No.People hate them because they are racist.And not only against whites.Ever heard of the word “coon”?
    People hate them because they are sexist.And not only against men.I mean “gender traitor” is only used one way.
    They also hate gays and trans people that want to think for themselves.
    Before bringing up Mary Jane see who’s complaining about Matt Damon playing a white guy in China.Or who’s complaining about the actress playing The Major in Ghost in the Shell.

  • Stilzkin

    Somene post that pic from Monster Hunter X where the NPC bitches about gitting gud

  • totenglocke

    One of the best articles I’ve read in awhile. Keep it up. This is why people come to nichegamer instead of Shitaku.

  • Smug

    Yeah and that’s why I told you you’re spouting the liberal/jew shit that “everything is art” which what spawned the terrible side of modern art trend since post-WWI.

    Again it’s just to push the whole idea that skills and criterias arent required (since it’s easier to call your shit “art” rather than practising your skills and knowledge), and that feelings/experiences are all it matters

  • Maniate

    Everyone wants interesting and varied characters. Not everyone calls a developer sexist when they make another grizzled, white hero with five o’clock shadow their main character.

  • Minuteworld92

    Crop that and make it a reaction image holy shit

  • Joel Leonheart

    And shared

  • Alistair

    You see what a disclaimer can do you hated to talk out GG and batshit crazy SJWs.

    Frankly i sick as fuck talking about them too, especially the latest fear climate when a 16 year old took her own life in fear of SJWs backlash.

    That what you get if you mix regression left & Extreme views on people it ends badly.

    I see disclaimer as a safety device as a “opinion” without it other sites has negative angenda that the main problem.

    Speaking of journalism you got that email posted to you about CON.

  • Alistair

    You forgot they added a sexulise black 15 year old girl as the new iron man that they loath of sexulise of minors.

    That they wrapped logic.

  • So you can’t accept the truth because SJWs “abused” the term although if something were really “bad”, no one would actually buy or take it seriously? There’s no benefit from this “abuse”, so you rebelling against a definition is asinine.

    I don’t like modern art, but I don’t like puzzle games either, that doesn’t matter though, they remain art because they fit the definition, you shouldn’t be so passionate, honestly, you sound like a child.

  • Alistair

    You told a little white lie we cant play what we want.

    There this little thing called Censorship and how can Censorship come about then if it Not influence by pressure groups (SJWs) Because if you say its simply up to Devs is BS. Fear of backlash is a factor and what cause that backlash?

  • Nisani

    SJW should just be ignored. Sites like The Verge and Polygon are full of them, full of instantly triggered weirdos with serious phsychological issues. Everything is instantly judged based on race, sex, sexual orientation, religion…these people have psychological problems.

    The reason most people are here to begin with is to get away from these weirdos.

  • Alistair

    That not what carl have said. So now ART Is just a painting picture. ART is a media form, ART can be films, books, games etc etc.

    Art can be thought provking, that SJWs regression left hate.

  • Madbrainbox

    I realized after I posted it that I needed to crop it.This should better I think:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/52cca5da8c2351ca2db69acdc72775abf9e2ab3d386151521397159b7b8d5c89.png

  • Smug

    “so you rebelling against a definition is asinine”
    A definition that was changed to push the narrative I’m talking about, since it doesnt bode well for the education and media, that want everything to be available for everyone (“muh equality”), to tell to the masses they need talent and have to practise upon years of hard work, and that only a few of them can achieve something great. Not everyone can be a David or Michelangelo but anyone can be a Pollock or Yoko Ono. Hence why the govts, museums and art schools are pumping useful idiots with more money than sense.

    The “it’s all subjective, beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is bullshit since there are viable, objectively based criteria used in evaluating the artistic merit of an artwork such as technical difficulty, subject matter, symmetry, innovation/ingenuity, mastery of fundamental techniques, attention to detail, etc. Art can be objectively good on a technical level even if it doesnt fit your taste.

    Post-WWI Modern (((Art))) relies on the childish notion that art can be “anything”, and that everything is equal in artistic merit. This is again why, for instance, they’re putting Duchamp, Mondrian, or a feminist performance (like pissing menstrual blood on a canvas or shoving spaghettis in a vagina), in the same level as Caravage, Rembrandt, Monet, Gaugin or Rockwell. You’ll notice that the message in (post)modern art is often very liberal or left-wing, as it’s made by feminists, people from the left & far-left, and jews.

    The equality principle has been plaguing the western world for a long time, and the art field is the one of the results of this cancerous mentality.

    “you sound like a child.”
    And you’re a huge gullible and retarded faggot who just want his videogames to be “taken seriously” by normalfags and the mainstream.

    Again, the whole “vidya is art” is pushed so we get more of those pretentious titles from indies, and cinematic (((experiences))) from AAA companies. Its a way for the vidya field to collapse and get more corrupted just like art.

  • Jimmy

    I like how people on here are not real gamers and rather to keep botching about sjw and censored games that are minor and doesn’t effect the game whatsoever than to play games and ignore them, it worked with anime fans

  • Smug

    “I like how people on here are not real gamers because they dont bend over to shitty practises”

  • Jimmy

    Like doax3 micro transactions and dlc r gal gun 90 dollar dlc people on here ignore because it has fanservice

  • Smug

    Good thing that the Vita games are getting cracked
    Now cry me a river you liberal faggot

  • Alistair

    Like anime fans eh, more like mind-Less sheep to boss around.

    I believe Fanboys and shils dont give a dam about SJW Power cunts and censorship.

    Look people it sunny outside, the calm before the storm.

  • Captain Vidya

    I can’t believe we’re at a point where we feel the need to write an editorial asking “can we get some journalists/reviewers that actually give a shit about this hobby?”

    As you said, you don’t get a car enthusiast-hater to write for car magazines, so why do we have gamer-hating “le goofygoober boogeymen” folks writing for gaming publications and having their opinions paraded around as fact (by their own kin as well as the mainstream media)? Why do games need to “grow up” and “be more inclusive” when, not only is it surpassing music and movies in terms of money made, but it seems to me that, other than all these liberal, Starbucks-drinking (or is Starbucks too mainstream now?), fauxhawk-sporting, lensless-thick-rimmed-glasses wearing fucks who think their opinions are worth knowing, people don’t give a flying fuck about a game fitting those people’s definition of being “inclusive” if the first image of the article and the fact that apparently 50% of the gaming market is made up of women is anything to go by.

    All this shit the gaming media has been spouting over the last couple of years makes me sick, and I’m glad that it seems like many other people feel the same way.

  • Zeroroute

    This reminds me of that developers panel where there was a slide that said “we’re developers not gamers”. The same mentality probably goes around in too many journalists’ heads.

  • “SJW should just be ignored.”

    The absolute worst thing you can do at this point

  • “since there are viable, objectively based criteria used in evaluating the artistic merit of an artwork such as technical difficulty, subject matter, symmetry, innovation/ingenuity, mastery of fundamental techniques, attention to detail, etc. ”

    “Objective”

    All I had to see to break your argument.

    Prove it.

    Oh, right, calling a “game”, art, is obviously an SJW conspiracy ever since the soviets and it’s a way to push out shitty art.

    Besides, with your examples, the “best” art is obviously architectural crap like Bauhaus. Or who knew, futurist art. Kill yourself, fast.

    And heh, disagree all you want, but yeah, while no one likes feminist vision, nor do I think anyone will… It’s still art.

    Like it or not, you have yet to provide any reason for me to discard that definition “objectively”, and your main reasoning is logically absurd, so because there is abuse, that means we should discard it, besides this abuse being nonsense.

    Nothing comes out of this “abuse”. No one cares about most of SJW art (it’s shit because the current mainstream is another, lik

  • SiestaYonJyuGo

    The operative word is “hire” he wouldn’t even have a job. I don’t even understand how these dropouts without journalism degrees can get jobs in journalism.

  • Smug

    >he thinks those criterias are subjective
    >he believes that degeneracy will go away by simply closing his eyes
    >”being passionate about hobbies is childish unless I do it”

  • More like “Modern” Feminism is cancer.

  • Nice article, would be cool to see more of that here.

  • I was banned by SJW’s on Destructoid.com last year.

    Say something bad there about religions in the context of a game even and your comment gets deleted fast.

    Do it more than one time and complain about very one sided articles there by guys like Jed Whitaker and you are banned there fast as well.

    I wish big gaming sites wouldnt be like that. But more or less all of them seem to care more about political correctness these days than anything else.

  • PixelBuff

    Spot on. The last few closing statements are pitch perfect. And this is why Nichegamer has become my go-to gaming site. Polygon, Kotaku, Destructoid, IGN and the like are fucking cancer.

  • Captain Vidya

    I want to go back to a time when people in the industry loved games.

  • Scootinfroodie

    Not into Third Person Cover Shooters and don’t own a PS3 so I just watched/listened to a playthrough on YouTube to see what the fuss was about instead.

    The game’s plot is paint by numbers and super predictable. I could guess what was going to happen before it happened pretty much every step of the way. It’s generic end of the world zombie movie fare and I don’t know why that aspect gets praised so much

    I could give you a full explanation as to why TPCS is a garbage sub-genre, but I’m not going to launch into it unless asked. A quick summary is that it’s casualshit designed for people who don’t play shooters.

    Character-wise it seemed alright (I accept that part of that is my lack of investment, but that still would turn the game into 10/10 GOTY), and the environments looked nice, but games aren’t about textures and muh tragic back story.

    Not a bad game, but praising it for the reasons it got so many awards is just as out of place as praising a slightly above average zombie movie for its deep plot. The industry has done better before and will do better again

  • Mr0303

    I enjoyed that place as well for a time until they went full SJW during GamerGate. I didn’t even know what that was at the time.

    You were one of the differing opinions that were not tolerated.

    I never went back there.

  • InzMovi

    Oh I love this piece. Hear hear!

  • Mr0303

    The first wave terrorists and the second wave fear mongers weren’t much better to be honest.

  • Mr0303

    I’d rather they die off quicker – they are damaging our hobby too much.

  • Horkthane

    The problem isn’t that they want unskilled gamers writing reviews. It’s that they want professional writing positions for unskilled gamers writing reviews.

    Fact of the matter is, the enthusiast press is driven by enthusiast who expect enthusiast reviews. Non-enthusiast just check how many stars it’s gotten in the app store. They’d never read a professional review in the first place.

    If they want to write unskilled reviews of games they are bad at, do it where it belongs. In the free reviews section of the store page. Nobody’s gonna pay for that shit.

  • Scootinfroodie

    While I agree that games can be works of art, there are absolutely objective measurements of quality and craftsmanship. I don’t know why you’re pretending otherwise

  • Scootinfroodie

    On the contrary. They should be mocked and the crazy shit they say should be dragged out into the open. The more people realize how crazy some of this shit has become, the less likely they will be to stick around

    Just don’t give them ammunition is all

  • Well, I think feminists were really needed at some time, equal rights and all that makes sense…when it makes sense..and that is for sure not to have a female protagonist version and all the crap people want in their games

  • They started to get really shitty there at around 2014 I believe

  • Mr0303

    True that.

  • Smug

    no, feminism was a mistake. It left women unfulfilled and miserable.

    Cant say I’m surprised that people still fall to the equality propaganda

  • Mr0303

    The thing is feminism never fought for equal rights. They fought for women to get the vote. They did, but without the drawback of having to be conscripted.

  • VOCALOID2

    A company bending over some invisible boogie man is worse. Or people working on translations for games they hate.

  • Zhnigo

    Cheers!

  • Alistair

    The 1st wave of them femminist wanted equal pay and work place that social justice is done right.

    When social justice gone wrong is 3rd wave jump on that band wagon and turn into that Shouldn’t.

    And social justice has gone from good to bad constant complaining from Them.

  • Arenegeth

    Taking into account all historical aspects of the so called games ‘journalism’ leading all the way to today’s bulk of anti-gaming writers, I have to say that ‘games journalism’ as it were, was an experiment that failed.

    And the reality of it is, we don’t need them anymore. Arguably we never did and we never really had any actual gaming journalism. It was always in its majority a group of ignorant, unskilled, hack rejects from other industries, that couldn’t get a job anywhere else, shilling Publisher bullshit.

    Make no mistake, ‘games journalism’ didn’t go south just when sites like Kotaku and Polygon decided to go far to the ‘left’, and push a political ideology over the medium itself, it was always bad, as ‘actual’ journalism, on reporting or even critique. From the earliest print magazine, to the latest app.

    Nowadays, YouTube is a better alternative, it comes with its own pitfalls of course, but at least there’s not that pretense of ‘journalism’ or ‘ethics’ anymore.

    Youtuber’s range from blatant shiller’s, and sellouts, to very educated and informative, and everything in between, nobody pretends to be an ‘authority’ on gaming and they not given the special privilege of their opinion put on a numbered pedestal that gets to affect a game’s perception forever (Metacritic).

    I stopped reading reviews as an actual deciding factor to my gaming purchases, over a decade ago, if you’ve been playing as long as I have so should you, if you a casual, you probably buy stuff based on marketing and what’s ‘trending’ on social media anyway, so you still don’t need games ‘journalism’.

    So do I care that a site that peddles political propaganda under the guise of gaming has unskilled writers? No, because I don’t care that it exists, and neither should you.

    Go on YouTube, find someone to your liking and/or taste, don’t pretend that they god and their word is law ’cause you’re a submissive little shit, and you won’t go wrong. At least compared to what gaming ‘journalism’ always was, and what it has become today.

  • grgspunk

    Everything stated here also applies to the anime/manga/JRPG/VN/eroge markets. The fucking pretentious anti-moe/fanservice asshole “critics” need to be driven out. They contribute nothing to the industry, yet they’re quick to shit on it because it fails to appeal to their sensibilities. We weebs do not need them.

  • “The problem isn’t that they want unskilled gamers writing reviews. It’s that they want professional writing positions for unskilled gamers writing reviews.”

    And this is all caused by the SJW/feminist “diversity” and “equality” politics

  • Arenegeth

    I want to caution you here that you are veering in SJW like mentality, of denying reality to suit an agenda.

    Games are objectively art. Only way they can’t be is if we redefined art as we know it, in general, since the beginning of human civilization. If you need ‘proof’ then there’s nothing more to be discussed, since at that point you are either too stupid (no offense, just a theoretical observation), too heh, Smug to concede an online argument, or too far down the ideological rabbit hole to get out.

    I understand why you object to the word, because under SJW ‘art’ translates to ‘artsy fartsy’ pretentious bullshit walking simulators, but that’s not what art is, just an offshoot of modern art peddled by post modernist talentless bullshitters.

    You can’t win a war by redefining reality simply because your opponent chooses to co-opt a word for its agenda.

    Do not fall for the same traps, your opponents did.

  • Anita Sarkeesian has focused on other things, so that’s a start.

    She was one of the major fucking anti-fanservice cretins out there

  • Alistair

    I haven’t missed her, i hope whatever she doing get wreck and then people would see what they like.

  • Smug

    You and imahnoob are actually denying reality because you cant see the obvious connect dot that “vidya is art” is only a way to create another circlejerk shit like modern art

  • Kev Lew

    was with you until this part “Gaming needs to stop nickel-and-diming people with cut content disguised as launch day DLC.” this is not nickel and diming, it is blatant cash grabs for the larger notes in our wallets, £5 to £20 day one “on-disc DLC” is anything but a micro transaction, I can usually buy the entire game 6-9 months down the line for the same price many companies charge for content cut from the launch version 1.0 but left in the game locked behind a paywall.

  • TheCynicalReaper

    Pretty good OpEd I like it

  • Arenegeth

    Oh I’m fully aware of that, I think I alluded to it in my post (though I’m not as absolute as to say that’s the only way).

    But I’m afraid the ship on that front has long since sailed.

    Indie ‘art’ games have being a thing, even before SJW’s took over, that sort of pretentious ‘artsy fartsy’ (love this term) non-game that is about some symbolic, pseudointellectual nonsense, was around since the mid 2000’s.

    You should listen to a pre-cuck Anthony Burch gush over such games in the then Destructoid Podcast. To the point that he called himself, supposedly self deprecatingly, an ‘indie fag’ because of it, until David Jaffe (of all people) gave him shit about using the word ‘fag’ in an interview and he stopped.

    That was back in 2008 or something.

    You are hoping to prevent something that has already happened, arguably Gone Home was the epitome of it, since with the journalist push they managed to get a lot of us, otherwise more informed gamers to bite (I personally missed that bullet though).

    The ‘journos’ and the incompetent indie clique as I like to call them, have being circle jerking (probably literally) about the gaming equivalent of modern art for awhile now.

    On the bright side, since Gamergate the effect ‘journalists’ had to shill these games has significantly diminished, since everybody knows they just shilling their friends/ideological allies shit now.

  • Sean Sharpe

    I get the point of the article. It’s annoying as shit to see people insert politics into gaming as a whole and its always worth a chuckle when someone poorly reviews a game because its too hard…

    But the idea that gaming is as big as it is these days because of “hardcore gamers” is silly.

    Gaming is as big as it is because of the casual gamer. The guy who buys every Call of Duty, ever Madden or FIFA, and every Grand Theft Auto *is* a casual. It’s like saying someone’s seriously devoted the punk music because they own every Green Day and Blink 182 record.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    Eroges have as many endings as there are waifus to end with, even more if they have a polygamy route
    Telltale only allows you to chose the most supreficial and irrelevant changes to the story but the 2 main comandements in the worlds of their visual novels are:
    1)Fate is written in stone. Your choices will not affect the outcomoe in the slightes
    2)All paths lead to Rome, No matter where you go, you will always arrive at the same destination
    It’s literally in the name of their company, they just want to tell you a story, they allow youy to change minor details to give you the illusion of choice but at the end of the day, even David Cage beats them in the gameplay departament

  • Something

    True dat, even though there are some legit broken characters/weapons in games 99% of the time if you fail you either:
    1)Failed that time
    2)Suck balls

  • Sean Sharpe

    I’d argue modern “social justice” isn’t even social justice. For years, social justice has almost always been primarily about economic equality.

    These days, it’s all about not hurting anyone’s feelings… But no one gives anything more than lip service to economic shit.

  • Something

    I see nothing wrong with “cinematic” VNs or… ehm… no, you just can’t call telltale games… games.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    They’re not casuals, they are plebs, sure they only buy COD, GTA and sports shit but they play the fuck outta them so much that they would mop the flor with anyone who tries to chalenge them

    If you want casuals, look no further than Pokemon Go, sure there are hardcore poketards among the crowd but most of them are people who just downloaded the app because it’s a fun ocacional time waster or because they wanted to hop on the hype bandwaggon

  • Nazzaroth

    indeed and therein lies the inherit problem of todays gamejournalism ( atleast most of it)

  • SJW “diversity” = no straight white men
    SJW “inclusivity” = no men

  • Alistair

    The term casual does it mean they sink many hours in a day or do they just dip in and out to play games.

    Dont think they sink many hours take words with friends my mum love that SHIT but she not on all day.

    Can you sit all day on that or candy crush i certainly wouldn’t i do like trade card games on IPAD But i dont sink many hours on those fact is if possible i pay the in-App to faster progress on those type of games. Especially ecchi even nutaku ones. Haha ;)

  • Alistair

    In fact i hope they go back to those days better still fight the good fight help they fellow women in crisis the middle east needs them.

    The saying “Keep you head while others losing theirs” Was a motto but it rather happening over there so instead of them whining about questionable content what gamers upto they just help real life ones and not some fictional characters.

    Good example was the burn the UN Got from a woman Rep from japan.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    As a moe and ecchi fan I really don’t care if people criticize the type of material I enjoy. I can’t even begin to count how many times I’ve been told I have “shit taste” or that I am a pedophile, that I hate women, or that I am contributing to the death of anime yada yada yada. Where I draw the line though is when SJW’S inject their fucking politics in what I enjoy and is the main reason I rarely visit sites like ANN anymore. Case in point look up their review on episode 19 of Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works claiming that the rape scene as they dub it with Rin is supporting rape culture.

    Guess I shouldn’t be surprised since one of the main editors Zac Bertschy is a full on SJW who is in bed with JesuOatku. Not to mention the majority of users there I encounter are Space Jam Wizards themselves. I say “Space Jam Wizards” because you can’t use the term Social Justice Warriors on their site. What’s scary is that a good chunk of the major voices in the fandom are full on Social Justice fucktards. So yes, they need to be purged from the anime fandom too.

    http://theotakuspot.animeblogger.net/2015/05/18/oversensitive-people-shouldnt-indulge-in-creative-media-ever/

  • Audie Bakerson

    Somethings on cars are more complicated than others, and parts you’re better off sending it to the factory, even if it’s out of warranty.

    The guy could be the best mechanic in existance, but he shouldn’t poke around the onboard computer if it’s out of his field.

  • Sean Sharpe

    1.) The only issue with saying “fuck diversity, let developers do what they want” is that there’s folks that will still bitch when they do if they sniff anything that might be “social justice”. It does both ways.

    There’s also a few types of games where diversity should exist. If you’re making a role-playing game with shitty romance options, there should be shitty romances options for all flavors. There’s also no reason why you shouldn’t be able to make a dark-skinned villager in Animal Crossing. There’s shit that some games can do, that makes them more inclusive, without “pandering”.

  • Andrew Whatever

    I keep wondering if this site can get any dumber and then it does.

  • Sean Sharpe

    Let’s please stop acting like comic books haven’t randomly changed characters for sales before in the past.

    From Jim Rhodes taking the Iron Man mantle on more than one occasion, before he became War Machine, to Azrael being Batman. This shit is nothing new.

    “But they turned Thor into an angry feminist!” Right, they did. And people started to actually talk about a character very few people even gave a shit about before… Because how many people actually talked about Thor before?

    It’s less about pandering and more about selling books… And controversy sells.

  • Sean Sharpe

    If casual simply means the hours spent playing that means a hell of a lot of World of Warcraft players I know are “hardcore gamers” since they play a lot of WoW, even if they don’t touch anything else.

    To be, what makes the difference between a “hardcore” and “casual” gamer in the investment into the hobby as a whole. The guy who plays an hour or two a night, but has a diverse library is more hardcore than the guy who goes home after work and plays the same FPS every night until he goes to bed.

  • SiestaYonJyuGo

    Right, because that’s not MECHANICal.

  • Shiggy Diggy Doo

    Oh I remember you in the golden years of old Destructoid before they became an epic meme.

    You were one of my faves

  • Sean Sharpe

    The difference between “pleb” and a “casual” is semantics. I don’t personally the difference between the person who downloaded Pokemon Go and the person who plays COD, GTA, and sports games.

    Neither has any real investment in the hobby as a whole and most wouldn’t give a shit if they couldn’t play anymore. It isn’t a serious part of them, and frankly, catering to *them* is *why* games are getting easier and dumbed down.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    How so? And in before Smug and GamesGoodMeGood rips you a new anus

  • Thanks, I had fans and I had people there that probably really hated me.

    Today I am still a plague for dtoid sometimes but I work mostly on the art collaborations on GA-HQ now

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    The problem is those attempts sold poorly so they resort to taking it out on others. Look at how badly Aku No Hana and Whatever came outta Yamakans brain sold and let that serve as an example of whu their attempts to save the industry is futile

    The sooner they realized anime industry and Japan in general has taken the post Heaven’s Gate Hollywood production mindset. The better. And that mindset is play it safe and dont rock the fucking boat in the storn.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    Funny how we hear about censorship and mobile gaming after Iwata died.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    Jimmy ffs go kill yourself.

  • Jimmy

    And that’s why One Punch Man saved anime

  • Andrew Whatever

    Well, see how dumb this article is? It’s incredibly dumb. Now, you might have a point that it’s not significantly dumber than past articles, because it’s really hard to get much dumber than a lot of the articles here. But I think this one managed to find a way.

  • Andrew Whatever

    Also the sorting functionality of the site appears to be broken.

  • Mak

    A fine article indeed.

  • FreshSnug

    We’d be better off if we wiped out feminism for good.

  • FreshSnug

    Does Etna count?

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    I blocked the fucker of course. Why would I bother replying to some subhuman trash with an h anime girl avatar.

  • RubbberSPOON

    Self importance detected, you suck as a game journalist and anyone with internet access could do your job.

    #TrollFailKMS

  • Smug

    How does Video Game ((Facts))) treat you?

  • larverto365

    But it’s babies! How the hell can you not like babies?!

  • 22

    “They contribute nothing to the industry, yet they’re quick to shit on it
    because they’re too focused on bitching about titles that fail to
    appeal to their sensibilities instead of supporting titles that actually
    do appeal to them.”
    You mean the two shows a year that aren’t moeshit, fap material, shonen shit and sports shit (and it’s always adaptations of retro manga, proving retro is better)? Now you’re just upset people are pointing out how they’re cancer ruining anime because people will happily buy garbage because it has cute generic girls regardless of how shit it is. Sorry people have higher standards and want better. Fucking pleb.

  • Miuyumi_Nita

    This is going to sound ridiculous NA and EU declared war against Japanese video games

    Just like when Music Movies Radios And television shows were targetted
    It’s no different

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    News at 11. We have been at war with them since Neptunia

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    Lol. Japan is still making isekai harem ln 68691 . OPM saved shit you cuck

  • RetroGamer

    Playing Street Fighter 2 on the Sega Genesis with my friends back in the day, I thought I was good at the game just because I could throw fireballs and do tornado kicks. After trying an online version years later, I was very much so corrected in that belief. 2D fighters is what I’m shit at.

  • RetroGamer

    I like the process of making them, but everything afterward gets rough.

  • Rogar the Greater

    I’m a refugee from Destructoid. I don’t miss that place.

  • Minuteworld92

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA

    GO BACK TO KOTAKU YOU FUCKING TRASH.

  • Kakaku

    How did you even write that many “dumbs” at once?

  • Mr0303

    Well game journalists don’t have any required skills like a corresponding degree or writing ability, so expecting some level of competence is more than fair if you want your readers’ time. In order to review a game you have to experience it fully, which means you have to be at least good enough to complete the game, much like reading the whole book is required to review it – not being able to read probably means you have the wrong profession.

  • Oh you adorable lefties, always turning up at people’s houses, forcing your way in, changing all the decor, furniture, furnishings, electrics, etc., stating it’s now YOUR house and kicking the OWNERS out of the house.

    In case you didn’t work it out: Get your own house.

  • This person has me blocked, so just to let everyone know this one is an SJW, similar to that other cuck Derek (who also happens to have me blocked as well) :^)

  • Too bad. Social Justice has changed and evolved into what it is today. A load of perpetually-offended little asswipes waving their pitch-forks.

    Just like feminism in the West. Once originally for a noble cause (which was still questionable), has now changed and evolved into what it is today. A load of perpetually-offended little asswipes waving their pitch-forks.

    Nice try on trying to deflect the blame away from Social Justice though. A very common tactic from lefties like you.

  • I’m starting to think that all the mainstream games media “journalists” have a degree in Gender Studies

  • scemar

    a more simple but accurate way of putting it is this:

    since the beginning, there were assholes and crazy people mixed with honest reasonable people

    the crazies hated men, wanted female superiority, or payback

    the reasonable people wanted what they thought was fair

    but as time has passed, the things they can demand which fit as “reasonable” have gone down, the crazies have begun to outnumber the reasonable ones, and at this point, fully run the asylum

    but I would never ever brand the 1st wave as perfect and pure either because they had a lot of legitimate gynocentric misandrists who shouted the same thing the third wave shouts, kill all men, etc

    the difference is that back then they were the radical fringe of a small minority, and now they are the mainstream of the movement

  • scemar

    definitely check this video

    it is a top tier critique of all that’s gone wrong with the world of modern art and a lot of it ends crossing paths with what could go wrong with gaming as well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANA8SI_KvqI&feature=youtu.be

  • Sean Sharpe

    I’d love for you “righties” to tell me why games designed around the ideal of “do what you want” shouldn’t give players more options to do just that, even if you have no intent to select those options yourself.

  • Sean Sharpe

    Well, for one, I *do* blame fellow “lefties” for not calling out the bullshit. I don’t appreciate people hijacking ideologies important to me to and twisting them into something authoritarian, thank you very much. I might be a left-libertarian but I’m far more the former than the later.

    And I’m not really “deflecting” when I put out the roots of social justice has absolutely nothing to do with modern social justice. Outside both being vaguely left-wing (although its hard to call the very pro-capitalist modern “social justice” warriors “left-wing”), acting like it’s all the same as silly as me claiming that everyone on the right is a nazi… When I know that’s not the case. :p

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    The mods would have to ban me first.

    Faggot.

  • Surprise for you: I’m not even a “rightie”

    And for the record, I have no problems with implementing additional ideas and options into games as extras on top. This means that none of the original content is compromised.

    What I do have a problem with however, is when SJWs try to censor and inject their own crap into existing content by compromising the original material. Which of course means that the fans of the compromised material (such as fan-service) lose out. This is apparently so-called “diversity” and “inclusivity”.

    With SJWs/feminists, it can NEVER be the “additional extras and options” method. It ALWAYS has to be the “take over, ban and censor what we don’t like” method.

    And that is why these cunts need to be kicked out of video games and all of entertainment media.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    Give this man a one way ticket to Japan and preach it to the Japanocorps and tell them to think like you do. I am sure Nintendo, Square Enix, Capcom, KT and Bamco would love to hear how wonderful your idea is.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    Yes. The blog who budget barely covers a single lunch of all the employees from the sites you rag on about

  • Gaming was fucking gold in the SNES/Genesis/PS1/Saturn/PS2/Dreamcast era.

    Then the graphics technology got too good, gaming become a kooooool casual hip thing, went mainstream, and social media networking was invented. And thus it all went to complete shit.

  • EroBotan

    Refugees welcome!

  • tccboss

    Or die tryin’….

    https://youtu.be/c6OkLZ5K76s

  • tccboss

    Jokes aside I agree that the industry does need to stop shitting of the consumer.

  • Sean Sharpe

    Well, duh.

    You really won’t hear me arguing with you about the typical perpetually offended assholes. The thing is, there’s pricks on both sides of the culture war that get their panties in a twist over stupid shit from Bayonetta being “sexist” to the guy who gets super pissed that Dragon Age has a gay options and a trans character.

    Folks can get pissed if games get censored and I’m cool with that. My issue is when a fair share of “anti-SJWs” (for a lack of a better term) freak the hell out over someone asking for more *options* in games, even when it doesn’t come at the expense of anything else.

  • Snorlaxation

    This article has some issues, and I don’t just mean the stupid comparison to having a car worked on (which can affect someone’s life should they get shoddy mechanics to work on it).

    No, gamers that just kinda suck and gamers that are absolute casuals are not the same thing, so yes, having journalist gamers that aren’t very good, but WANT to be, can speak to others, new potentials that may want to join in and git gud, but the thickskulled loudmouthed a-holes that dominate certain spheres of competitive gaming may seem too cancerous to even attempt it.

    Speaking to different demographics is always the best way to get new gamers in, because this market is mostly saturated as it is with gamers that are already gamers, and have been for years.

    The gaming market isn’t just surviving because of them, but because of new gamers like kids (which are almost always targeted by those in charge of sales).

    No, I don’t care for filthy casuals or candy crush moms (or dads, like mine). But that doesn’t mean we write off all newcomers or noobs as unworthy, because Time moves forward, and without new gamers that we can teach to appreciate the good shit, then all the newbies that take over after we’re dust will only have low tier shit games to play, and no standards with which to demand the top tier.

  • zura

    Great article. I wholeheartedly agree.

  • PixelBuff

    The fuck does budget even have to do about appreciating a video game website reporting on video games and not rape culture and socio political issues.

    Fuck off back to Polygon, you can read about how DoA VR is “literally sexual assault.”

  • John Smith.

    Good god does this article reek of having been written by an elitist gamer prick.

    But what really pisses me off is this little gem. “Gaming needs to stop assuming piracy can be stopped and ditch their invasive DRM schemes.”

    Look dipshit, I don’t know what world you live in but when a company sinks millions into the production of a product they have every right to ensure they obtain maximum profit from it. And as you so nicely points out, Piracy can’t be stopped, but that does not mean we have to give pirate and parasites free reign when it comes to ripping off people’s hard work.

    DRM exist because people have proven once to many times that they don’t give a shit about the law and will steal whatever they can so long as they can get away with it. Without DRM current AAA titles would not exist as the companies producing them would have gone down under from kids and adults deciding that its cheaper to download a game from a Chinese company specialized in pirating games then it is to pay $60 to a store.

    Gods, it is this shitty attitude from the so called PC master race that makes me loathe them. “Well people like me will steal it anyway, so why not just give me the stuff for free right now so I won’t have to actually work to steal it from you.”

  • Kakaku

    I agree with most points, but I do see the value in “non hardcore” journalists. So long as they aren’t utter crap at the game they’re reviewing, they can be helpful when looking at a game in a genre you have no experience in. I remember an earlier review on this website involving a Rogue-like where the reviewer assumed you knew about the genre. He ended up giving it a 9 or a 10, but by the end of the review I had no idea why. At that point it would’ve been more useful to me if it was a reviewer with less experience since that would’ve appealed to me as a “noob”.

  • Captain Vidya

    Ideally, we’d have multiple people review a game. At the very least, we would at least have one who’s experienced with the genre or series and one who isn’t that familiar. That way, if there’s a series someone wants to get into, they can read the latter’s review, but for veterans, they can read the former’s review.

  • “Well, duh.”

    I had to make myself clear on the issue. Because after all, Social Justice types have a habit of slandering people and being intellectually dishonest.

    “someone asking for more *options* in
    games, even when it doesn’t come at the expense of anything else.”

    Behave. You know full well that is unicorn from SJWs.

  • Preach.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    I am saying, learn to respect your betters. They have more recognition to a Japanese game dev and their review hold a thousand times more sway than some blogger and their user audience. Bonuses are decided on how well the critic reviews do, sequels are decided majorly on critic scores. Look at Tokyo Mirage Sessions’ censorship and noticed how quiet the usual suspects are about a fanservice game and how upset we were about it.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe

    Even your beloved big Japanese Companies pays heed to how would the big journalist sites react and gives zero shits about Niche, in fact. If they saw you they would think you are a bad influence, the face of Niche’s audience is an NEET with no social skills. They prefer journalists with established connections and a clear link to retailers, not some random blog that barely would register on a company’s budget.

    The new age of media is all about pandering and press pandering is a valid tactic that big companies take. It’s like how Razorfist said it, companies like Marvel isn’t pandering to the audience living 800 dollars/month basement flat, they are pandering to the journalist in new york living in an expensive apartment.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    And sucking journalism cock, lets not forget about that.

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    Well she wasn’t stupid enough to go with Rafe’s scheme and Drake isn’t the kind to hold a grudge. If she had decided to stay and grab the loot, Nadine would had been taken out by either Rafe or Drake.

    One of the few times being genre savvy saved a villain’s life. Too bad it’s teh feminist self insert

  • Sean Sharpe

    All consumer media is about giving “journalists” something to talk about. So people will know about what they are selling and buy it. It’s sort of the point of it, since most things (video games, comic books, movies) aren’t made for art’s sake, but profit.

    (Although I’d be hard pressed to call anyone who reports on video games, comic books, movies, or music “journalists”.)

  • Captain Vidya

    The issue at hand is exactly what you’re talking about: companies look to these larger publications for feedback. When these publications either don’t put in the effort to learn a game’s mechanics or really care about the genre/source material/etc., the developers and publishers change to suit the publication’s wants rather than what the actual fans (the writers and readers at Nichegamer, for example) want. The thing is, these larger publications like Polygon don’t seem to bother putting in the time to find out what makes these games the way they are and just want to use it to push whatever the agenda of the week is rather than TALK ABOUT THE GAME.

    The developers/publishers then see this and go “hmm, we should do what these people want us to do since they bring in the consumers and ratings” and start pandering to them rather than the people who actually PLAY the games they make.

    What I’m trying to say is that we want publications to actually give a shit about the games they play and treat them with respect. Granted, this doesn’t apply to every publication, but it’s still a real issue that we’re facing.

  • grgspunk

    Bull-fucking-shit there’s only two titles that come out every year that aren’t “moeshit”. And if there truly are only two titles that don’t have such content? TOUGH FUCKING SHIT.

    We buy and support titles that we like. If you don’t like that ahit being in anime, then it’s high time to go find another hobby, because none of the Japanese developers/studios designed their titles with the intent of appealing to an overseas audience. They have absolutely no obligation to do so, and if you shit on them for that because they don’t meet your so-called “standards”, then you are part of the threat that contributes to the continued censorship of titles that get brought over.

    Who needs SJW outsiders to push localization companies to self-censor when you’ve got pretentious assholes in your own fandom who want it to happen?

  • DariusQ

    I don’t even care if a reviewer is particularly good at the game they’re reviewing, just stay objective about it. Incidentally, a lack of professionalism is a problem with the press in general these days and seriously undermines the powers which they have been given. No one said staying objective was easy but it does need to be upheld.

  • Kiwi Hoy

    Funny part is that the comparison to film is apt solely because its a respected art form despite all the garbage thats still put out in that industry

    Games cant be the same? You can like Journey AND Grand Theft Auto. Hell you can do a proper game and art at the same time (*cough* Fromsoft *cough*)

  • Brandon’s Polezniye Duraki

    People is attached nolstagically to the delusion Hollywood is in the 70’s format vs the cynical modern day keep the plebs satisfied with generic crap

  • Kiwi Hoy

    To be fair MOST of the people who hated DA:I did so because it was a horribly written and mechanically shallow mess

    People who would have liked it without the gay stuff are probably the tiniest possible minority

  • Kiwi Hoy

    That guy wasnt pushing for censorship or a culture war and this may have been the most spectacular overreaction ever

    I mean honestly I kinda agree with him I think most modern anime are pretty trashy. But unfortunately for me (and that other guy) thats just what the Japanese audience wants and therefore what gets made

    This ones just an issue of taste clashing with market trends. Though he was a dick about it

    Hopefully itll correct a little like games did after the flood of easy homogenised hollywood games CoD started

  • Kiwi Hoy

    DRM has never stopped pirates and never will though. It just inconveniences paying customers, occasionally breaks the game and destroys the used game market (which is probably why PC went digital so much sooner than console)

  • John Smith.

    Locking the door has never stopped burglars and never will though. It just inconveniences home owners, occasionally breaks the key and keeps friends from entering.

    Bitch please, bring something else but these tired bullshit excuses to the table. Just because you can’t stop the criminal doesn’t mean you should not try to.

  • Cole Pram

    Social media ruins everything. It just seems to enable crazy people in a minority of opinion to seek out other crazy people, they otherwise wouldn’t be able to find. Then they can band together and attack individual targets from the comfort of their home and seem like a majority.

    It’s like during the Protein World beach body ad thing. Some crazy nuts got together, IRL, to protest. And six people showed up in a field in England. They thought they had all this support, but it turns out either no one was dedicated enough to leave their homes or the people in the area were just being egged on by a thousand people that were just looking for something to rage over.

    In the context of the entire world a few thousand is nothing, but they can seem like a lot based on usernames and volume of comments.

  • Kiwi Hoy

    A lock and an alarm are a proper deterrent though. People will break into the house thats easiest

    Not to mention cracking has dedicated groups that will do it for everyone else so piracy requires no skills. Breaking and entering may be illegal but its certainly harder than clicking “download”

    The comparison doesnt work because DRM isnt a lock, its more like a wall. You pick a lock you can just close it again. One person smashes a wall and its open to everyone

    Bring something better than these tired bullshit comparisons to the table

  • Spot-on, exactly my thoughts.

    I’ve always said that social media/networking encourages mob mentality and lynch-mob behaviour, and allows all the hateful, spiteful and bitter little cowards to easily connect together.

    As for the Protein World protests, they whined all the way to ASA (Advertising Standards Agency), and from there it lead all the way to the Mayor Of London banning images of scantily-clad women appearing in the city a few months ago.

    Therefore like you said, even though these SJW whiners are a minority, their voices are very loud and extremely influential.

    You’d think that what happened to Matt Taylor should’ve been the signal to dismiss and ostracise these whiners, but nope. The mainstream media protects and enables their disgraceful behaviour.

  • Not surprising since IGN now side with the same group which Sarah Nyberg is part of.

  • John Smith.

    I don’t have to bring up better comparisons, mine works just fine.

    You however need to come up with a better reason for why piracy should be made legal other than the tired old excuse of you can’t stop it, it makes my life harder and I can’t profit from it.

    Honestly, the only people I ever see bitch and moan about DMR not stopping piracy are the ones who engages in piracy.

  • Alistair

    Yup internet was not invented yet, games were censored in those days just hard to spot.

    Then after the games was getting bolder do you remember “Night trap” That regression left took out forks with 1 scene in mind.

    It was given a 15 rated well you may not remember night trap but i sure did.

    In fact i think night trap was in pre ESRB time and NT was the factor behind ESRB being introduce.

    Edit: if there was a reboot of it, i think SJWs wont survived it. They be really hopping mad.

  • You finished on that high-horse of yours yet? If you have, get the fuck back down from your horse, take the blinkers off your own head and come to the reality that you’re not the arbiter of standards.

  • Cole Pram

    “Therefore like you said, even though these SJW whiners are a minority, their voices are very loud and extremely influential.”

    I don’t know if “influential” is the right word. It’s more like, unopposed. I mean, I’m not going to go out and protest for more ads. So if a half-dozen people get together to ban a poster, it’s not like people are going to band together to oppose them. But that’s why they seem so loud. Most people don’t care one way or the other so they’re not going to bother opposing people who are opposing an ad. OR by the time anyone knows there’s a protest over some ad, it’s too late to oppose the protest anyway.

    “You’d think that what happened to Matt Taylor should’ve been the signal to dismiss and ostracise these whiners, but nope. The mainstream media protects and enables their disgraceful behaviour.”

    These people are journalist bread and butter. Journalist thrive off controversy, and these assholes are full of it. They give journalist controversial topics to talk/write about that requires no effort or research, which keeps them employed. Just head on over to twitter, find some obscure hashtag (or start one yourself), make up some BS, cherry pick some tweets to display out of context and bam, you have yourself some succulent clickbait.

  • “I don’t know if “influential” is the right word. It’s more like, unopposed. I mean, I’m not going to go out and protest for more ads. So
    if a half-dozen people get together to ban a poster, it’s not like people are going to band together to oppose them. But that’s why they seem so loud. Most people don’t care one way or the other so they’re not going to bother opposing people who are opposing an ad. OR by the time anyone knows there’s a protest over some ad, it’s too late to oppose the protest anyway.”

    Yes you’re right, “unopposed” is the right word.

    And what you said is once again, very true. SJWs/feminists definitely take advantage of the fact that “trivial” and that no-one will really put in an effort to fight back over a poster.

    Then, there’s also the stigma that if a man were to defend the poster, he will be immediately labelled a “sexist” and “misogynist”.

    I honestly do wish more people would get off their sofas and go against this shit, because the more SJWs do this, the more power they gain, I see a lot of this shit in the UK

  • Axle Red

    This, most who complain just go to CR/Funi/Pirate rather than buy and support their anime/manga/LN/VN by importing. Literally just like SJWs who complain yet don’t buy BDs, merch and Discs to support. If you want the Nips to think about the western market then speak with your wallet just like them.

  • Kiwi Hoy

    I never pirate nor do I think it should be legal (or ever said anything to that effect)

    My reasons for disliking DRM are all entirely valid and very well documented by plenty of other gamers over the years

    But I guess if you cant refute them then putting words in my mouth to argue against is surely the next best thing

  • Smug

    >piracy
    >stealing

    nice meme

  • Smug

    “p-p-please stop bringing obvious counter-examples of my buyfaggotery”

  • John Smith.

    Look, when you say DMR doesn’t work and should be removed, you’re endorsing Piracy because DMR is what is used against piracy.

    And that “I never pirate” line, please, you telling me you don’t listen to music on youtube uploade by anyone by the artist? You’re telling me don’t watch movies clips, TV-, cartoon- and anime-shows on youtube? You don’t engage in emulation? You don’t download images from the net you like and use as backgrounds or to look at without getting permission from the content creator first?

    You telling me you’re so squeaky clean and honest you don’t do any of those things? Cause if you do any of those things, then you’re a pirate, pirating things for free.

    Your reason for disliking DMR are not valid. Your first reason is saying it doesn’t stop piracy, well it does stop piracy to a certain degree and if it didn’t work at all the gaming industry would not be using it now would they?

    Your second reasons are down to things that can be solved by calling the company help line. Your game doesn’t work because of DRM thinking you pirated it, contact the game producer and ask for help to solve it. If DRM breaks your purchased game, contact the game developer and explain your situation. Alternately, stop trying to unlock it with cracking tools, doing that voids your warranty for it. Can’t sell your used copy of the game once your done with it? Well that sucks, I guess you will just have to live with your first world problem like the rest of us or start buying retail copies instead of digital copies.

  • John Smith.

    Are you mocking me here or what?

  • “>he thinks those criterias are subjective”

    No, there are objective criteria to determine art’s technical “quality”, which also includes what materials you used in creating the object. Besides the technical part, there is no way for you to determine “quality”, unless you want to claim popularity defines quality, but then you’re going to have to explain a lot of things…

    If you define quality by the technical aspects and that’s it though… At that point, you’d have to agree that Final Fantasy XV is the best game ever, or DOOM, or any other game I know you hate but from a technical aspect, function perfectly fine and are the cream of the crop in terms of mechanics, graphics, etc.

    Or what, will you persuade me that some styles should have never existed? Why should I care about your opinion though?

    “>he has no knowledge of the art field”

    Another claim you’re making without evidence.

    “and believe that the collapse of art is just a “delusion””

    There was never a “collapse of art”. Art constantly changes based on several factors, like the preference of the masses, the surging ideals of the time, the possibility to create, etc.

    “>he believes that degeneracy will go away by simply closing his eyes”

    I never actually said such a thing, I think you need to learn to read. I don’t even know where you’re trying to aim here at all.

    “Really trying hard to be a retard, huh?”

    Uh-huh. But I fail to properly imitate you, the real deal.

  • “While I agree that games can be works of art”

    All games are work of art.

    ” there are absolutely objective measurements of quality and craftsmanship”

    Of technical quality, yes, which also includes craftsmanship.

    “I don’t know why you’re pretending otherwise”

    Never did pretend otherwise, it’s only that you seem to conflate technical quality with “quality”. One is objective, another is subjective, although in some cases, some characteristics go down the drain. Surrealism for example, has different rules than realism.

    One is usually the bare minimum to do, the other depends on who you’re trying to impress too.

    For one, I could write a book about drying paint. I could show you my writing prowess and fit every technical point possible, like proper grammar, a proper vocabulary, etc.

    But I doubt many would buy my book.

  • Smug

    Still trying to push your vidya = art delusion?

    “Another claim you’re making without evidence.”
    “There was never a “collapse of art”. Art constantly changes based on
    several factors, like the preference of the masses, the surging ideals
    of the time, the possibility to create, etc.”

    pffft

    >”(post)modern art never existed!!!”
    >”art schools are good for you goyim!!!”
    >”richard williams was a liar!!!”

  • Smug

    Take a guess

  • buddyluv324

    When gaming gotten gradually bigger over the decades, it was only a matter of time before thirsty normies would show up….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf9JuduGP5E

  • Ah, so you now changed to just being stubborn against all odds. Ok, I don’t mind.

    Whenever you’re ready to bring out an argument or, I’ll be nicer, a piece of evidence for anything you said until now, I’ll be right here…

  • Scootinfroodie

    I don’t see the purpose in applying the term so liberally. I would not consider checkers to be art, and I don’t see any benefit to the opposing position. What does checkers gain by being art? What does “Art” gain by including checkers? It’s the “what is a game” argument all over again, but several layers more pretentious.

    You seem to be attempting to conflate “quality” with “something I like”, when those are two separate things. Quality refers to debatable and/or measurable aspects of a thing. If it’s purely subjective, it’s not a qualitative factor. I’m not going to argue for Dynasty Warriors’ quality, but I can still find the game to be dumb fun and enjoy the cheesy voice acting and blatantly reused assets.

  • Scootinfroodie

    What a bizarre line of reasoning
    All DRM needs to do is appear to stop piracy and it will be used. It’s extremely difficult to determine actual piracy numbers (I’d say downright impossible) so theres no actual assurance that it does work. The reason why it continues to exist is because it’s the “common sense” solution that was already disproved by digital distribution services. Not appreciating a lower quality product due to software that doesn’t verifiably do what it’s supposed to doesn’t make one an advocate for the legalization of piracy

    And how about I present two options to you
    One involves calling customer service, hoping that service is good, and hoping the issue with your game isn’t as intended (limited reinstalls were, and likely still are, a thing where DRM is concerned). This is for a product you paid for

    The other involves finding razor1911’s crack and either applying it to a product you paid for, or one you downloaded for free

    Which is more enticing to the end user?

    Also not every game has a physical copy. What year are you posting from? Not to mention the fact that physical copies have DRM too

  • Kiwi Hoy

    DRM doesn’t work, if it did piracy would have been stopped entirely. People are still using it because it inconveniences people who want the game on day 1 and wont wait for cracks, slightly boosting sales from would-be pirates. You can’t stop something “to a certain degree”, stopped is an absolute state. Either its stopped or it isnt. Its main effect is still to be annoying to paying customers, (not so) occasionally game breaking (especially in the case of always online DRM), and kill the used game market (which like I said, is likely the main reason PC went digital so fast. And digital sucks)

    As for the rest of that little rant of yours, we were talking about gaming specifically. None of the other forms of media you mentioned use the types of DRM we’re currently referring to and thus are irrelevant to the discussion. I never pirate GAMES

  • Smug

    I dont think I have much to discuss with a retarded monkey

  • There’s no such thing as “obvious” in an argument.

  • “I don’t see the purpose in applying the term so liberally.”

    I do, since you can’t possibly find a way to differentiate that’s objective, so you’re ending up with an arbitrary way of choosing what is art and what is not.

    “I would not consider checkers to be art, and I don’t see any benefit to the opposing position.”

    So you don’t think that woodwork, sculpture, etc, to be art? And the only difference there is between Checkers and, take, any famous woodwork since I never studied anyone that used wood extensively, is the interactivity…

    Is kinetic sculpture not art? Are POV based sculptures not art? There’s even “interactive art” that has roots from the 20’s.

    “Quality refers to debatable and/or measurable aspects of a thing.”

    If it’s measurable, it’s also objective. Something you can measure cannot be debated either, even if it changes “numbers” constantly, the “numbers” and what they currently are and what they change in remain an objective aspect.

    Prove it then. Tell me which is better quality. Guernica or Mona Lisa?

    The Starry Night or The Scream?

    I’m certain you can amaze us all with your genius and solve another philosophical issue that was never solved before.

    “You seem to be attempting to conflate “quality” with “something I like””

    No, you’re unable to read properly, and that is quite annoying when you have no idea what you’re saying anyway.

    Technical aspects do not make the art. As I said, you can write a book about drying paint and fit every technical aspect possible. I guess this is the greatest book about drying paint of all time, right? And the greatest book ever. Since it’s the best quality since I’ve fit every technical aspect…

    What exactly is the difference between my book and other books that are critically acclaimed though?

    “but I can still find the game to be dumb fun and enjoy the cheesy voice acting and blatantly reused assets.”

    How are reused assets “bad quality”? The only way you can claim the acting is “cheesy” and “bad quality” is if you know that the author himself wanted to provide another impression.

    Dumb fun is also “bad quality”? Then that means certain types of comedy are “bad quality” regardless of anything else, right?

  • Smug

    You deny the reality and the obvious degeneracy in front of you. But again, as expected from a brainwashed goyim like you

  • None of these are arguments.

  • Smug

    “who cares for obvious things going on”
    “muh arguments”

  • Not even these are arguments.

  • Scootinfroodie

    If you’re not using a useless definition of art, articles can be excluded. The point of defining is to categorize, to differentiate. My disagreeing with you doesn’t mean I don’t understand what youre saying, it means I’m not convinced by your weak arguments for your position.

    Checkers not being art has nothing to do with the manner in which checkers is produced, but the intent with which it is produced, and with the quality of the end product. As such, checkers is not inherently art. You can make checkers themed art. Or art out of checkers, but an ten year old mass produced 10 dollar checkers set is not art

    Similarly, not everything filmed is art. A workplace safety video is most certainly not art. Something using a particular medium does not need to be classified automatically as art. We gain nothing from making the term broad to the point of uselessness. A definition is made weaker, not stronger, the more things you add to it

    Re: quality
    Pro tip: you can measure approximate quality without going through with a fine toothed comb and rating everything on a list. An elaborate and skillfully played classical piece and an elaborate and skillfully played guitar solo are both complex and show off the prowess of the player. A slow 4 chord pop song does not do this, and if it’s poorly played it can, in fact, show the opposite
    Ergo we can make a basic judgement about quality, in the same sense that we wouldn’t place a McDonald’s burger on the same level as we would a gourmet meal

    Also, do you only measure what’s possible by what some rando in a comments section can definitively prove to you of on the spot? If so I think your knowledge base is probably quite limited. In theory, given proper parameters/limits, I see no reason why a metric couldn’t be created to actively judge the quality of art. As an example of this thought process in action, imagine there are two people who play a very fast paced and competitive game (it can be whatever you’d like, I thought of it as a Quake scenario). Both players play on different continents. Maybe they dont even play the game anymore. You want to know which is better, but a plane ticket is too costly for simple satisfaction of your curiosity, all you have to go on are two players in isolated playerbases with no perfect direct comparison to make

    One of them is better than the other, barring the statistical anomaly of precisely equal skill. You can judge them in isolation though, by looking at matches where they had to play under pressure, looking at the technique they employ (which in Quake’s case directly translates to damage dealt, speed gained and so on) etc. You have a set parameter for the game and can measure a player’s finesse using a specific set of metrics

    I see you haven’t read any books that take incredibly dry content and make it interesting. Additionally, you don’t have to like a work based on its quality, as quality is a separate metric from level of enjoyment, the latter being subjective

    “How are reused assets bad quality”
    Using object X for in game items 1 through 15 isn’t bad quality now? And I don’t mean “they took the X from this guy’s outfit and stretched it out to make it part of a weapon”, I mean faction A’s basic siege weapon, faction A’s secret weapon and faction C’s carriage are all the same thing. This doesn’t accurately portray what’s actually going on as it does not differentiate between a non combat unit, a gatling gun, and a catapult

    “Maybe it was supposed to be bad”
    M-maybe the game was supposed to be buggy!
    Maybe that game wasn’t supposed to be art :^)

  • John Smith.

    So your entire problem with DRM is that it is actually working the way it was intended by limited the chances of content sharing and illegal black market sales?

    Oh and I know you’re tired of me drawing parallels, but your line of thought when it comes to DRM is still fucked up. I mean look at this.

    DRM doesn’t work, if it did piracy would have been stopped entirely.
    Policing doesn’t work, if it did crime would have been stopped entirely.

    You hold the digital media scene to a completely different standard of law then the rest of the world, which in my eyes is complete and utter bullshit. Your line of logic goes that if a crime can’t be stopped complete you shouldn’t even try to do it at all, which if taken and employed to the rest of the world we live would have you screaming bloody murder and complain up and down about how stupid that train of thought is. But because DRM incoveinces you and keeps you from grabbing a slice of the digital pie via second sales you’re suddenly perfectly fine with promoting the spread of an actual crime wave by saying it is a waste of time to combat it so we shouldn’t do a thing about it!

    Bravo, you’re proven yourself to a be hypocrite!

  • Smug

    Why are you so mad towards pirates?

  • John Smith.

    What is more enticing to the user? That depends on the moral compass of the person, if you already have a criminal who is used to pirating software and cracking code they of course wouldn’t bother with customer service but if you have someone who believes in following to the law and not stealing anything including software they will of course use the customer service hotline.

    And by the way, saying that DRM is not working as it intended to because it makes your life a bit harder shouldn’t have you bitching at the game studios, it should have you bitching at the freeloading assholes whose complete disrespect for law and order including the entire
    concept of copyright has resulted in DRM becoming a main stream thing as well as raising costs of digital content by forcing companies to charge us more their products to cover the loss of income.

    Don’t fight the flawed solutions, fight the scumbags who has caused these solutions to be implement in the first place so we won’t have to live with DRM. And just to spice up your understanding, here’s a site with some statistics on digital piracy. http://www.go-gulf.com/blog/online-piracy/

    Oh an, I am posting from Anno Domini 2016 , the year in which game stores still exist and not everyone relies entirely on shoddy online services for game purchases.

  • John Smith.

    Because piracy costs game developers money which they can only get back by increasing game prices, monetizing DLC and reducing the quality of the final product sold.

    You think I like DRM, you think I’m fine with Capcom and other developers demanding a second payment for content already present in my game. No I am not, but I understand that the reason they’ve sunk to this level is not because they’re evil, they’re just trying to gain the profits lost to digital pirates by passing the bucket to their paying customers.

    I am one of the persons directly hurt by piracy because it now costs me more money to buy games then ever before. And whenever someone says we should just stop fighting piracy, it pisses me off because they are actually saying the total recuperation of the money spent on development should be shoved onto the shoulders of the few people obeying the fucking law!

  • Smug

    “Because piracy costs game developers money which they can only get back by increasing game prices, monetizing DLC and reducing the quality of the final product sold.”

    Nah, piracy is the scapegoat for those kinds of excuses. In the contrary, piracy contributes much more.

    “because it now costs me more money to buy games then ever before”

    holy shit lel
    Ever heard of sales and second-hand copies?
    Also companies charge more (often for less) because they’re jews too.

  • John Smith.

    Right, Piracy only account for about 70 percent of all software use, that can’t have any kind on impact on the development cost to income ratio. No, increased prices are all part of a big global corporate conspiracy to rip off the sheep who pays for their products.

    Did it ever occur to you that I might want to play the game on launch day instead of waiting until months later, thus I have to pay full price for it?
    And why are you bring Jew hatred into this?

  • Scootinfroodie

    “that depends on the moral compass of the person”
    Cracking the game you bought is now a moral decision?
    “Criminal”
    Piracy is copyright infringement, which is a civil issue, not a criminal one.

    Also what do you do if the company no longer exists? Or if they no longer support the product?

    Nice strawman, I said DRM is a poor solution because it hasn’t been proven to work, and results in a poorer product. That is entirely the fault of the company that employs that methodology. It is on companies to win those people over, and Valve (as one of many examples) has successfully done so to a large degree

    Your statement suggests that DRM is a viable solution, when games that include DRM are still pirated and when GoG still makes what I would imagine to be pretty decent amounts of cash considering how quickly they’re expanding. You’re also incorrect re: costs of digital goods. Prices have been remaining pretty static and the proliferation of nickel and dime DRM schemes and MTX is done to combat the skyrocketing costs of game development as a whole

    Your numbers don’t really back the necessity of DRM either. The existence of pirates doesn’t necessitate one particular solution, nor is every pirated copy a lost sale

    Furthermore, I invite you to find a copy of Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines that isn’t an excessively priced Amazon or eBay reseller copy. I invite you to find me a physical copy of EDF 4.1. Find me a copy of Reflex or Toxikk
    You’ll be searching for a while because they dont exist

    And again, physical copies still have DRM. If you bought a copy of Lost Planet 2 at Best Buy, it still connects to GFWL when you get home. I don’t mean “it used to” either, it *still* does

  • Smug

    Because good goyims like you still believe piracy killed for instance the Dreamcast (despite it was Sega’s own fuckups and also the competition against Sony & Nintendo), or the PSP (despite piracy saved it from Sony’s fuckups and extended its support in years).

    “No, increased prices are all part of a big global corporate conspiracy to rip off the sheep who pays for their products”
    Yes goyim. It’s all part of the conspiracy! Now pay up for all those numerous DLCs for those games you paid full-price. Damn those pirates for not bending over!

    “Did it ever occur to you that I might want to play the game on launch day instead of waiting until months later, thus I have to pay full price for it?”
    And that’s your problem if you have no self-control and buy things on impulse.

    “And why are you bring Jew hatred into this?”
    >he doesnt nose know that kikes are the root of nearly everything terrible

  • John Smith.

    Gods, you’re just an asshole.
    Now I see why so many people block you. Well, I’m blocking you as well. Don’t need nor want to waste my time on a self righteous law breaking conspiracy nut.

  • John Smith.

    Why do you keep moving the goal posts?

  • Smug

    yeah yeah it’s because of pirates and not publishers just getting away with everything they can, by charging more while reducing the size of the products. The more you bend over, the harder they will jew

    also boohoo poor little you who cant handle words on the Internet

  • John Smith.

    Oh and while I don’t know where you live, I’ll just direct you to the US version of the law regarding Copyright Infringement which treats it as a crime to violate someone else copyright.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/chapter-5

  • Smug

    You’ve probably already blocked my ass because your baby feelings, but laws in regard of piracy are very state-dependant in the US.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    “Because piracy costs game developers money”
    Not if those people wouldn’t buy it anyway.

    “I am one of the persons directly hurt by piracy because it now costs me more money to buy games then ever before”
    Then stop buying expensive games and expensive DLC. Buy on sales. Problem solved.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    “DRM is not working as it intended to because it makes your life a bit harder shouldn’t have you bitching at the game studios,”

    Pirates don’t add DRM to games. Quit supporting garbage developer/publisher practices.

    “DRM becoming a main stream thing as well as raising costs of digital
    content by forcing companies to charge us more their products to cover
    the loss of income.”

    Stop fucking buying games on release. If you don’t want to spend so much on games just wait for a fucking sale, the same solution I provided to you earlier.

    “Don’t fight the flawed solutions”

    I’ll fight flawed solutions, by not buying the fucking product. Something you should adapt. Pirates aren’t my concern. Shit games that are overpriced and loaded with DRM are.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    “SJW should just be ignored.”

    This will only work when publishers and developers start ignoring them too.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    I have Custom Maid 3D2, why the fuck would I need to buy DoA? I have zero fucking interest in gal gun as well.

  • Scootinfroodie

    What goalposts am I moving? This is a multifaceted issue that you are attempting to boil down to an objective moral standard (protip: you’re not going to win that one). Piracy numbers still include legal owners cracking copies, DRM still exists after support for a product is pulled, and DRM has not proven to be a viable anti piracy solution.

    Also I don’t recall the US being the only territory discussed. Something something goalposts. The fact that the US has an awful set up for intellectual property does not make infringement an inherently criminal act, just a regionally criminal one in a state hampered by corporate pandering

  • “it means I’m not convinced by your weak arguments for your position.”

    Let’s see what you lack…

    http://i.imgur.com/PwD89Pr.jpg

    “Checkers not being art has nothing to do with the manner in which checkers is produced, but the intent with which it is produced”

    Ah, so if I start scribbling shapes and all out of boredom on a piece of paper, and the shapes end up being a carbon copy of the Mona Lisa, does that mean what I created is not art because my intention was never to create art in the first place?

    “and with the quality of the end product.”

    Which, you have yet to define.

    Or give it any objective criteria for it to be used as a term at all.

    “but an ten year old mass produced 10 dollar checkers set is not art”

    Fuck pop art, I don’t like it so that means it’s not art!

    “Similarly, not everything filmed is art. A workplace safety video is most certainly not art.”

    Why not? Do you have any reason to say so? Of course not, just like most of everything you’re currently saying.

    “Something using a particular medium does not need to be classified automatically as art.”

    Why not?

    “We gain nothing from making the term broad to the point of uselessness.”

    Maybe the term itself shouldn’t have been created at all, am I right? After all, you have yet to define a way to properly pick what is art without suddenly becoming arbitrary.

    I’d say, the term being used arbitrarily makes it useless.

    So we have a lot to lose if we try to stick to your conclusion.

    “A definition is made weaker, not stronger, the more things you add to it”

    How is this necessarily the case for us? Why does it matter for our case? What an absurd generalization when you have yet to define “art” in any meaningful manner.

    E.g. “harassment” has lost any meaning because people are wrongfully using it for every action that does not have the same gravity as what the original word tried to convey.

    “Art” did not lose any type of meaning since its original use tended to be arbitrary at best, with critics going out of their way to denounce new types of art, instead, it now has a better way to define what is art.

    “Re: quality
    Pro tip: you can measure approximate quality without going through with a fine toothed comb and rating everything on a list. An elaborate and skillfully played classical piece and an elaborate and skillfully played guitar solo are both complex and show off the prowess of the player. A slow 4 chord pop song does not do this, and if it’s poorly played it can, in fact, show the opposite
    Ergo we can make a basic judgement about quality, in the same sense that we wouldn’t place a McDonald’s burger on the same level as we would a gourmet meal”

    So quality is now complexity? And thus, anything less complex than you like, is also not art or “good quality”?

    Children books and fairy tales are shit and not written art because they’re not complex enough.

    Vulgar comedy is less complex than other types of comedy, thus, it’s inherently bad quality, and most likely not art.

    “You have a set parameter for the game and can measure a player’s finesse using a specific set of metrics”

    Look at this nigger over here, trying to go over a point we’ve already talked about.

    You’re conflating technical aspects again with quality, which are distinct, as I explained and you have yet to answer in any way.

    Yes, you can determine the skill of two Quake players through statistics. That’s because games use physics, math, etc as rules. Their “quality” as players is basically defined by actual numbers. That’s also because they have a specific objective and achieving it means you “win”. That’s how you can claim that they are “quality” players.

    It’s too bad this comparison does not work with art, though. Look at all the objective criteria art lacks besides technical aspects.

    “I see you haven’t read any books that take incredibly dry content and make it interesting.”

    I did, but that doesn’t mean anything, does it? That’s because the point of my comparison was to belittle your idea that technical aspects suddenly make something “good quality”.

    “Additionally, you don’t have to like a work based on its quality, as quality is a separate metric from level of enjoyment, the latter being subjective”

    No, you don’t have to like it for it to be of quality, if only we could properly define quality in art, right?

    “Using object X for in game items 1 through 15 isn’t bad quality now? And I don’t mean “they took the X from this guy’s outfit and stretched it out to make it part of a weapon”, I mean faction A’s basic siege weapon, faction A’s secret weapon and faction C’s carriage are all the same thing. This doesn’t accurately portray what’s actually going on as it does not differentiate between a non combat unit, a gatling gun, and a catapult”

    “M-maybe the game was supposed to be buggy!
    Maybe that game wasn’t supposed to be art :^)”

    But games are art.
    I’ve also already answered all of this:

    “The only way you can claim the acting is “cheesy” and “bad quality” is if you know that the author himself wanted to provide another impression.

    Dumb fun is also “bad quality”? Then that means certain types of comedy are “bad quality” regardless of anything else, right?”

    The author using object X that is actually a catapult to define other objects is bad technical quality if his intention was to show you different definable objects.

    So, to conclude.

    http://i.imgur.com/WxMuRWM.jpg

    …Everything.

  • grgspunk

    Dude, you’re giving these anti-moe/fanservice fuckers too much credit. They’re too lazy to even support titles localized by companies lile Funimation, Sentai Filmworks, Viz Media, Media Blasters, Aniplex USA or CR.

    They rely exclusively on fansubs.

  • grgspunk

    You don’t like those “trashy” titles? Then you can get the fuck out of the anime market. It doesn’t have room for you.

  • Kiwi Hoy

    I mean clearly it does or id never find anything to watch. What I like is a smaller market but it still exists

  • Kiwi Hoy

    Policing can and does prevent crime though. Again, false and absudd comparison

    The police have the power to actually intervene in crimes or even prevent them before they happen

    Any old moron can download and install a cracked game from the internet

    DRM isnt stopping anyone at all, some pirates are just too desparate for day 1 to wait on cracks. Theres no waiting period that gets the cops to ignore you committing a crime

  • grgspunk

    Then stay in those markets and quit bitching about what we like.

  • ForsakenEagle

    That’s the key word here: passion. A lot of these “video game journalists” are not passionate about games. Instead they are passionate about “social justice”. Gamers want to know about games and will ditch assholes who obviously don’t care about quality games and gaming. Those “journalists” have taken to calling gamers “sexist, racist, homophobic, bigoted, etc.” and proudly declared “gamers are dead”. Little did those “journalists” know that gamers, diverse gamers would fight back against their bullshit.

  • Kiwi Hoy

    I dont recall bitching about what you like. Never said it shouldnt exist or that you should change your tastes at all. Stop being defensive

  • Scootinfroodie

    Alright, we start off with a nice bit of reductio ad absurdum. Especially interesting when you brought up intent in the first place and are now undermining your own arguments

    I am now sole arbiter for the definition of art? I’m glad you think so highly of my viewpoints
    I think you’re missing my core point, which is that a definition without exclusion is useless. If everything is art, then we may as well stop using the word “art”

    The point behind having a solid, exclusionary definition is to avoid it being arbitrary. I am suggesting that art, as a word, is itself arbitrary. There’s no set factors for what isn’t, and thus what *is* art

    You’re bleeding the arguments together. Complexity, and success in accomplishing that level of complexity, could be a metric by which quality is determined, not one by which something is deemed art or not. Are you going to argue that a child’s first book is the qualitative equivalent to literary classics? Are we to play into the farce that Pat the Bunny and the works of Shakespeare are qualitatively indistinguishable?

    If we look at the dictionary definition, we get two that I think could be combined to create the start of a proper exclusionary definition

    “the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination,
    typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing
    works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power”

    and

    “subjects
    of study primarily concerned with the processes and products of human
    creativity and social life, such as languages, literature, and history
    (as contrasted with scientific or technical subjects)”

    In this sense, we get something that cannot be everything. The random movement of a pencil and paper is not art. Math is not art. Basic construction is not art. It’s still vague, but less vague than what you seem to be going on. Art is not done as a function of production or scientific discovery but as a function of human culture.

    Also vulgar comedy is not necessarily less complex, though it often is

    Not all elements of skill are measured through the sorts of statistics you’re mentioning. Especially in a game like Quake. Remember as well that you cant have the players win or lose against each other in a fair setting

    The last part of your argument is “w-what if it’s supposed to be shit?!”

  • grgspunk

    Never said it shouldn’t exist or that we shouldn’t change our tastes?

    Dude, that’s always the default reason why you fuckers even bitch and whine about moe/fanservice in Japanese media in the first place. Otherwise, you wouldn’t attempt to condemn the entire fucking industry and its paying audience to begin with. Get the hell out of my fandom.

  • “you brought up intent in the first place and are now undermining your own arguments”

    Where did I undermine my argument? The intent of the author is relevant for what they portray, not if the object is art or not.

    “I am now sole arbiter for the definition of art? I’m glad you think so highly of my viewpoints
    I think you’re missing my core point, which is that a definition without exclusion is useless.”

    Well, besides the fact that there are things being excluded, there’s the other fact that definitions don’t actually need to exclude anything. A definition is simply the exact meaning of a word.

    “If everything is art, then we may as well stop using the word “art””

    I don’t see any reason to listen to you.

    “The point behind having a solid, exclusionary definition is to avoid it being arbitrary.”

    Then give me an objective array of characteristics that can be used to exclude certain things.

    “I am suggesting that art, as a word, is itself arbitrary. ”

    Then it can include games as art.

    “There’s no set factors for what isn’t, and thus what *is* art”

    Actually, the definition is rather clear, but playing this game with you was fun in itself.

    I mean, I never knew someone on the Internet never heard of the term “dictionary” and never had the opportunity to search the term “art” in it.

    “the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.”

    Because I’m the last boss in terms of semantics, I can fit pretty much everything I want in this definition.

    “You’re bleeding the arguments together.”

    If anything, you mean blending. I heavily doubt you know how to use metaphors.

    “Complexity, and success in accomplishing that level of complexity, could be a metric by which quality is determined”

    I see no reason to listen to you. Complexity is not a quality definer.

    “not one by which something is deemed art or not.”

    So you disagree with Smug and with your previous statements?

    “Are you going to argue that a child’s first book is the qualitative equivalent to literary classics?”

    In what terms? Art or quality? I’d say yes to both.

    “Are we to play into the farce that Pat the Bunny and the works of Shakespeare are qualitatively indistinguishable?”

    Yes, are you saying otherwise? Based on what criteria, again?

    “In this sense, we get something that cannot be everything. The random movement of a pencil and paper is not art.”

    Don’t use “AND”, it’s “OR”. Learn to use a dictionary.

    To counter this:

    “the expression of human creative skill and imagination”

    “Math is not art.”

    “the expression of human creative skill and imagination”

    ” Basic construction is not art.”

    “the expression of human creative skill and imagination”

    “Art is not done as a function of production or scientific discovery but as a function of human culture.”

    These do not exclude each other.

    “Not all elements of skill are measured through the sorts of statistics you’re mentioning.”

    Except they are. Aiming includes accuracy and precision, avoiding projectiles includes reflexes (which are measurable) and use of environment, knowledge of the environment has to do with memory, which is also measurable…

    “Remember as well that you cant have the players win or lose against each other in a fair setting”

    What did you snort before making this claim?

    “The last part of your argument is “w-what if it’s supposed to be shit?!””

    http://i.imgur.com/7yx6gl1.gif

    Fuck satire.

  • Raziel Barkrai

    At the very least I think the reviewer should have knowledge of the game they are playing. They should know what aspects they should focus on depending on the genre and understand its mechanics and systems.

  • Kiwi Hoy

    Never condemned anything. Why are you so defensive? I can dislike something without thinking that its some kind of immoral abomination that needs to be gotten rid of

    If theres a market for it then by all means, though yes I do think its garbage

  • Scootinfroodie

    You mentioned the importance of the dictionary but forgot that a brief summary of a thing is not the whole thing. That said, that brief summary still excludes things you yourself are including. It distinguishes the arts from technical fields right in one of the definitions I listed. I cannot help but now wonder if you are capable of reading

    As well, thanks for completely forgetting my actual position. I made it clear from the start that I disagree with Smug, but now you appear to be flip flopping on qualitative aspects of art while insisting I use definitions for both art and quality that haven’t been established in the conversation. You say the definition you are using can exclude things, and yet everything I listed, including things that are excluded by one of the definitions listed, are still art in your eyes. Furthermore you demonstrate your inability to escape the confines of your own asshole by forgetting that I was, in fact, establishing a basis for defining art using factors from two definitions, because my initial argument was that these individual definitions are too vague and inclusive. Your goalposts haven’t moved, but rather seem to be in some bizarre state whereby they are both the definition and not the definition, exclusive and yet not excluding anything, and never defined solidly to all observers

    Finally it is clear to me that you are getting far too buttmad to continue this conversation in a worthwhile manner. Your insistence on attacking what is ultimately a semantic argument with grammatical nitpicking, facebook-tier reaction images, strawmanning and a hilariously overblown sense of self importance really don’t paint you as a constructive conversational partner. I invite you to look at some smug anime girls on my behalf

  • “You mentioned the importance of the dictionary but forgot that a brief summary of a thing is not the whole thing. That said, that brief summary still excludes things you yourself are including. It distinguishes the arts from technical fields right in one of the definitions I listed. I cannot help but now wonder if you are capable of reading”

    1
    OR
    2

    “As well, thanks for completely forgetting my actual position. I made it clear from the start that I disagree with Smug, but now you appear to be flip flopping on qualitative aspects of art while insisting I use definitions for both art and quality that haven’t been established in the conversation.”

    Besides in the past posts, right.

    ” You say the definition you are using can exclude things, and yet everything I listed, including things that are excluded by one of the definitions listed, are still art in your eyes.”

    “subjects
    of study primarily concerned with the processes and products of human
    creativity and social life, such as languages, literature, and history
    (as contrasted with scientific or technical subjects)”

    If you want to go there, let me teach you how to read:

    “primarily” = “mainly concerned with”, not exclusionary.

    This definition also does not concern art as the object but art as a subject.

    ” Furthermore you demonstrate your inability to escape the confines of your own asshole by forgetting that I was, in fact, establishing a basis for defining art using factors from two definitions”

    Which is wrong, that’s not how you use a dictionary and you’re mishmashing two different set of ideas together where they have no place.

    ” because my initial argument was that these individual definitions are too vague and inclusive.”

    I don’t think anyone cares what you think though. Are you going to contradict the dictionary? On what basis?

    I’ve already explained why your exclusionary “definition” (yet to actually come with one, but one of the characteristics is being exclusionary just because you dislike certain types of art) is bullshit.

    “exclusive and yet not excluding anything, and never defined solidly to all observers”

    Or maybe you’re just incapable of understanding the words you’re reading.

    “Finally it is clear to me that you are getting far too buttmad to continue this conversation in a worthwhile manner. ”

    Are you certain you’re not projecting?

    “Your insistence on attacking what is ultimately a semantic argument with grammatical nitpicking”

    If you’re going to argue what something is, you’re going to eventually argue semantics, because that’s how definitions work.

    If you’re going to bring up the dictionary, you’ll also be sure to know how to use it. I’m now certain you have never used a dictionary before, because some terms can have contradictory definitions or simply definitions that do not pertain to what you’re talking about. E.g. arts as a subject and art as an object.

    “facebook-tier reaction images”

    Why are you so rustled?

    “strawmanning”

    You clearly don’t know your fallacies either.

    “and a hilariously overblown sense of self importance”

    It’s only overblown when the person in question isn’t important, but certainly, I at least can step on your head, if no one else’s.

    “a constructive conversational partner.”

    We’re not having a conversation, I’m here to teach you how to use a dictionary.

    “I invite you to look at some smug anime girls on my behalf”

    I’ve watched enough Anime without you telling me.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    The difference with Rhodes becoming Iron Man every now and then, and also with Birdman becoming Captain America, and the new Iron Black womyn and (W)hor is that both War Machie and Birdman were both established characters who had fought besides the main cast before to the point that nobody would be shocked if they replaced the originals + the first time they did so the whole comic did not reek of doing so due to Political Correctnes

    As for (W)hor… if you think that having all that bad publicity and angry fanboys shining the spotlight over your IP is a good idea…
    You should ask $ony how much they made with their Ghostbusters reboot.

    GTA, Hatred and Carmagedon got away with relying on infamy to market their brands because the people they antagonized them were not their main costumers, bgut the soccermoms and SJWs who bitched and moaned about them all.

    Marvel, on the other hand, is pandering to Femitards (a demographic who has never been famous for reading comics) while giving the finger to the nerds that actually pay their bills

    If they wanted Thor to be in the middle of a shitstorm so that people would look his way, they should have made sure that said shitstorm did not rain shit over their own costummers but the people their costummers despise instead, such as the Femitards and SJWs they are currently pandering to

  • Sean Sharpe

    Here’s the thing about Marvel’s pandering; it seems to be working for them. If it didn’t, they wouldn’t be doing it. While individual writers might use their stories as a soapbox, they still have editors over them that care more about sales, and if a gimmick threatens to endanger sales are dropped fast. (You know, like Captain America secretly being an agent of Hydra.)

    Mind you, I’m not a fan of Marvel’s current direction for about a dozen different reasons. At the same time, it’s all about sales. These “femitards” must be buying books for Marvel to be trying to draw their attention for years now. (Even before the internet went crazy over SJWs.)

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    The Dare Devil run of the Writer who wrote the Hail Hydra captain line was the lowest selling run in the character history, Whor is getting canned, Angela Queen of Hell got Canned currently the movies and merchandaising are keeping the comics afloat the best marvel can pull off if some gimmick that gets people talking about and mocking them like when they made a black womy captain america punch Modok Trump, Even their new cibil war is shittalked all over the internet for how bad it’s written (no SJW tier bullshit shoehorning, just plain bad writting)

    Marvel Comics is not pandering to fans, it’s pandering to the press and the critics, who are no different from vydia crticis and press, that’s why their sales tank, because these noobs throw flowers at this shit writting and Marvel keeps green lighting it while sales keep going down hill

  • Alex-C25

    Couldn’t agree more. Logic would dictate that when doing an article or review about a game, a writer who knows about the genre or series, or a writer who isn’t as experienced, but can still play well and give another kind of perspective, would be suitable for these kinds of articles, but alas, telling this to the mainstream gaming “journalism” sites would mark you as heretic.

  • Sean Sharpe

    Sure. Some of the gimmicks Marvel tried sold like shit and are getting changed. Again, that always happens with comic books. ’cause they try to increase sales with gimmicks and if those hurt sales more, they hurry back to the status quo.

    Yet Marvel *is* going to try to pander to the crowd when they had success at it. The Muslim-American Ms. Marvel sold well, so they are going to try to replicate their success. This “SJW” shit is absolutely no different than the “Dark Ages” of the 90’s. Just editors chasing trends, missing the point of why people loved certain things, and trying to copy it and publishing a whole lot of garbage.

    I mean, hell. I’m getting deja vu and expect another “crash”.

  • Lea Pastillaroja

    The way the pendulum is shifting lately, i’m surprised that people have not yet tried to market their shit by designing it specifically so that Journos hate it
    People is believen exactly the oposite of everything the media tells them now a days
    It’s getting to the point when some may become “Faltearthers” (or whatever those morons are called) if the media claimed the world to be round

  • Swinny UK

    Wow, man. I think I’ve finally found a Gaming Website that actually speaks to me. I mean, I’ve just discovered this site today, after many years of feeling like I just can’t relate to anybody in games journalism.
    These people are aliens, to me. They appear to dislike games. This is evident when you check out most game reviews. Usually the least game-like game is getting scores of 10/10, with glowing reviews that don’t say a single word about the actual gameplay(because it’s usually terrible!), whereas the most game-like games get shit on by these people and they spend the entire review complaining about everything that makes a game, a game.
    As you said, they seem to have an anti-game agenda. I couldn’t agree more.