Supposed Gay Conversion Scene in Fire Emblem Fates Being Removed from Western Versions

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We’ve learned (via Nintendo World Report) that a controversial scene from the upcoming western release of Fire Emblem Fates is being altered, if not outright censored entirely from the game.

The scene involves a female character, Soleil (picture above), and what many websites previously coined as a “drugging/gay conversion” scene. “In the version of the game that ships in the U.S. and Europe, there is no expression which might be considered as gay conversion or drugging that occurs between characters.” a Nintendo representative e-mailed us this morning.

The shortened version of her entire story arc is as follows:

Soleil easily gets hot and bothered around other women, fearing her ability to be “strong and cool” as a soldier. If you pair her with the male protagonist, a support conversation sees him use magic powder on her without her consent, making men appear as women and women appear as men. She winds up falling for the female version of the protagonist, and ends up being eligible to be proposed to from his male form anyway.

It’s worth mentioning we still do not know her official sexual orientation.

Nintendo did not specify how the scene would be changed, or if it would be censored completely.

Does this mean the naughty dialogue and strip-tease mechanics will remain in the game? Probably not, however we unfortunately won’t know how much of the game has been gutted out for western audiences until it ships.

How do you feel about Fire Emblem Fates being censored? Sound off in the comments below!

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  • djluke_1993

    “sound it off in the comments below”
    I think Brandon knows that’s a shitstorm is coming…

  • WB1c_Marathon

    This year, I made a resolution to stop spending so much money. Good to see Nintendo is making this goal possible by making their products as unappealing to me as possible.

    Jokes aside, I’ll wait for further news, but Nintendo being what it is today, I’ve pretty much stopped holding out hope.

  • Heavily Augmented

    This is the point where I should be shocked and disgusted by Nintendo’s actions but I’m not considering how common it is for them now… and I’m scared to hell that this is now the usual.

  • SpecialK

    Lame. 0/10. No matter the content, I don’t buy censored trash for no other reason than political correctness from a company who thinks censorship = localization. Fatal Frame Maiden of Dark Water was bad enough, might as well go back to making grey sweat in Mortal Kombat, Nintendo.

  • Evropi

    Nintendo delivers on the promise of censorship, as expected.

  • Mir Teiwaz

    As much as I am against censorship, that’s a pretty fucked up story line.

  • Shiggy Diggy Doo

    Even if it’s fucked up that’s no reason to censor it.

  • Tusheer

    Man fuck Nintendo and those retards from tumblr, the whole scene was never about curing lesbianism, but good job for taking that shit out of context asswipes! This guy/girl especially fuck her/him for spreading lies
    http://andrearitsu.tumblr.com/post/137740555485/nintendo-finally-responds-to-the-topic-of-gay

    https://twitter.com/andrearitsu

  • Shiggy Diggy Doo

    I made the same resolution and I’m not even joking. Most of my money went to Nintendo shit and they’re making it easy.

  • bateruchan

    eek.
    I hate the idea of that a LOT.
    i don’t want it censored but the entire premise of that squicks me the fuck out. doesn’t mean it’s okay to censor but holy shit would i avoid that like the plague. should it be left in? yes.
    do i think there would be a shitstorm if they left it in? yes.

    do i think the original content is at all morally okay? not at all, especially since there seems to be zero consequence. i’m really bothered by that whole premise.
    but they shouldn’t have taken it out just cause i’m weak

  • bateruchan

    good thing mir never said it should be censored.

  • WB1c_Marathon

    It’s a shame since I was really looking forward to this game, and I’m not shelling out money for an import when I have to buy another console as well. Only like, five games I’m looking forward to this year now.

  • Tusheer

    it’s not really fucked up, just stupid use of tropes, basically the girl acts like she swings both ways (she’s straight) to piss off her dad, to the point where by reflex she faints when she’s near a cute girl, which is bad in the battlefield, so the MC gave her the magic powder which does exactly what was written to help her get used to it (but she ends up falling for him)

  • Robert

    If you read the full conversation it’s actually kind of cute.

    http://pastebin.com/bgQC0yEa

  • landlock

    It’s a really horrible scene to have in the game i’m amazed it was ever in the game in the first place. Seems very bizzare. Can’t say I wanted it removed but yeah it’s pretty messed up and not at all surprising.

  • WB1c_Marathon

    Honestly I’ve come to depend on articles like these. The rage I feel wakes me up like a nice hot morning coffee, and unlike my coffee jar, Nintendo’s jar of disappointment never runs empty.

  • Pico

    NoA stap

  • Mir Teiwaz

    See, this is the kind of context I needed to know.

  • bateruchan

    i didn’t see that context in the pastebin at all… there was NO mention of that.

  • Mir Teiwaz

    I never said I would accept censoring it. Now that some other people have given me better context for what’s going on I don’t even think it’s that bad anymore.

  • MGNoxa

    Can somebody tell me how it’s gay conversion if she fell in love with the female version of the protagonist to later discover she was a he but she decided she loves the person anyway?

    It’s weird but not exactly gay conversion or at least what I think gay conversion is.

  • bateruchan

    between censorship and the prices of their games literally never lowering…

  • MGNoxa

    Based on what I know the powder is used without consent but not with the intention of making her fall in love with the male protagonist, it was to help her realise she can be around women and not get all nervous.

  • Gale

    That’s the question, isn’t it?

    Essentially, it isn’t gay conversion. At all.

  • Tusheer
  • MGNoxa

    Yeah especially when the powder was only used to make her realise she can be around women and not get all nervous. It was never intended for her to fall in love with the female version of the male protagonist.

  • Thanks tumblr. This is your fault. All your fault. If it wasn’t for that stupid ass Tumblrette misinterpreting the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. And now that Nintendo has an official Tumblr account, you’re gonna fuck them up even more now.

    And, even though the anon didn’t source it, rumors are swirling stating that the fan translation for Fates is getting censored too.

  • bateruchan

    it rides on the premise of “the right guy can fix that pesky lesbian”. it’s a VERY fucking common idea even in the real world (a lot of lesbians get the “my dick can change that, sweetheart”/”you just haven’t found the right guy/dick yet” line).

    it touches VERY close to that premise.
    it may not exactly be that, but it DOES imply it (“I saw countless people as women… but the only one to make my heart throb was you, Kamui” …even though she’d been made to literally get weak-kneed and faint multiple times before from cute girls). it’s not as direct, but i can definitely see where offense could show up to people. it edges on touching a little too close to home.

    NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.
    I am explaining why some people would be offended.
    gay people get these “oh, but you just have to meet the right [guy/girl], that’s all” lines ALL the time, and if a premise runs right off the rails with that (“but she just met the right guy, guys! th-that’s all! i-it doesn’t harken back to th-that at all!” yeah whatever, ok) it does conjure up that ‘it takes the right one to convert you back into a good straight girl/boy’ shit really fast.

    just explaining to those who seem to not get it (and i would understand why, if you’re straight and have never had this thought/never been approached with this thought).

  • Antoinant

    Internet post-2007 and its birth of social medias were a mistake

  • bateruchan

    no, this likely would have gotten censored in the first place. i doubt one tumblrina did it… it really raises red flags.

    does that make it “better”? no. but you’re forgetting the translation company we’re talking about if you think they wouldn’t have censored it (tharja’s ass was a lot tamer than this)

  • Nah, Big Bang Theory was a mistake.

  • Arenegeth

    This was expected. And it will only get worse from here.

    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to 1984…

  • So what would you prefer to happen instead?

  • Tusheer

    sounds like someone’s triggered, over something that’s really not true to begin with

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    Everyone can understand why some lesbian would be offended when this scene pops up. However, noone should give a shit.

  • bateruchan

    it STILL harkens, albeit unspoken, to the idea of “well, the right guy can turn that pesky lesbian straight”. and it seems like many commenters here have (thankfully) never thought that before, and have never been approached by anyone with that mentality.

    it is a VERY real mentality, that gay people can be ~converted~ by the ‘right person’ if we ‘just keep looking’.

    i’ve read the pastebin. i understand the text, but that didn’t stop me from feeling really shitty about the entire premise of this situation. it just hits way too close to ‘the right man will make you want dick'(/’the right woman will make you less of a faggot’) premise, even if those exact words aren’t spoken.

    again, i’m not asking for censorship, but i will express that yes, it does bother me a lot. but, i also think creators are free to do with that what they will, and if it bothered me enough, i would simply not approach that girl (since i believe we’re still ‘straight only’) or would simply not buy the game due to my personal distaste. as it stands, i absolutely do not want to buy the game due to censorship, which is something i find much worse.

  • Tusheer

    it’s not only this one tumblrina that caused the whole thing, it’s the “game journalists” that made it worse, using her tumblr post as the source. Fact finding, what’s that

  • koksuckaahh

    Seriously!

  • bateruchan

    yes, maybe so. but, you know, i’m a human being. i’m allowed to feel.

    i said in all caps i didn’t want it censored. i even refuse to buy BECAUSE OF CENSORSHIP.

    i even say in another comment it SHOULD NOT be censored because of my personal weakness.
    so instead of sitting there saying HURR U TRIGGERED BRO?? how about you just understand i’m trying to shed some fucking insight on the situation and WHY people would be bothered, rather than just shouting TRIGGERED! SJW!! N O T TRUUUUEEEE! because, quite frankly, people’s interpretation is relevant, and you DO NOT DICTATE how people see things and how they FEEL about said things.

    fucking hell.

  • Sentsuizan_93

    “It’s filled with hipsters. Those who identify as fake “nerds” they sicken me deeply.”

  • bateruchan

    how about you read the eye-catching ALL CAPS next time

    >NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.
    >NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.
    >NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.
    >NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.

    I find it fucking tasteless as all shit, but if the creator wants it in there, /that is not my place to dictate that/. so all you fucking knee-jerk reactors need to calm the hell down if you think an ~sjw boogeyman~ is within your safe space. because i’m not.
    because i clearly said
    NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.
    NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.
    NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.
    NO I AM NOT SAYING TO CENSOR.

  • Tusheer

    yep, definitely triggered. bullying aside all those shit about “converting homosexuals to hetero” never existed in the game in the first place, you’re basically raging over something that does happen IRL but NOT in the game we’re talking about

  • bateruchan

    it’s called interpretation. EVERYONE will interpret the scene and dialogue differently. i can absolutely see how someone could take it this way.

    but, i also am saying it SHOULD NOT BE CENSORED.

    you do not get to dictate how people feel and react to content, just as much as those reactions should not dictate a CREATOR’S WORK. PERIOD.

  • Richard Miller

    Well Nintendo love censoring so this was expected.

  • koreawut

    Sweet! Now I don’t have to spend money on the game! Or maybe I’ll just try to find the “Asian” version somewhere here in the Philippines…the darned shops don’t separate games by region.

  • Immahnoob

    Since this is the first comment, I’ll try to steal the spotlight to tell you guys there are fan translations (yes, plural) of Fire Emblem If.

    The thing is, you need to pretty much pirate Fire Emblem IF (pun intended) want to have this translation, or at least, have your n3DS or o3DS properly setup for CFW usage.

    Anyway, besides that, I have to say that you should avoid, or at least, try to see for yourself if you’re ok with the Selene’s Forest translation, since I heard they WILL censor this conversation and maybe others, but it’s not a given (although, the forums there do not look good).

    What I mean by them not looking good is that some there are pro-censorship, arguments like “They’re localizing for the main demographic of this game” and “It’s ok, Fire Emblem wasn’t meant for perverts” are thrown around.

    AKA “NoA is trying to do something about the quality of the support conversations specifically for NA/EU” which has many retarded and wrong implications. They’re doing this to lower the criticism of the SJW side, as usual. Since Nichegamer and other news outlets that can be trusted, have posted how this support conversation was never what the mainstream media said it to be.

  • Tusheer

    interpretations are fine if the creators made it vague, but considering that the creators made it clear in the game that the whole support storyline for her is to cure her being unable to focus (and faint) when cute women are around, not curing homosexuality, it never was about that. You’re making a mountain out of a falsified molehill

  • koreawut

    It’s an ongoing mission that journalists tend to just give up on mid-way through and write what they got.

    Thanks, deadlines!

  • Tusheer

    apparently fanlations are going with the censored version, here’s hoping it’s not true

  • Immahnoob

    Serene’s Forest is filled with pro-censorship idiots trying to justify this whole shit with:
    “They’re doing this to make the convos of quality for NA/EU”
    “Fire Emblem isn’t for perverts”
    “They’re doing this for the main demographic guys”
    “They should have never included some types of relationships”
    etc.

    But, there’s also a GBAtemp translation team, which I believe is different from the Serene’s Forest one.

  • Immahnoob

    Yeah, there are rumors floating around and the situation on the forums look grim.

    But there’s also a GBAtemp team, which I believe is different from the Serene’s Forest one.

    https://gbatemp.net/threads/fan-translation-fire-emblem-if-fates.397560/

  • Please god I hope they are. GBATemp’s making miracles uncensoring Xenoblade X.

  • Tusheer

    guess that means those people there have never played fire emblem before, good ta know!

  • koreawut

    “I have no idea what’s really going on, I’m just letting the internet tell me when and where to be offended, therefore I am offended by this, even though it has nothing to do with the game.”

    “Yeah but it has nothing to do with the game…”

    “OMG I AM SOOO TRYING TO BE SMART!! I KNOW THINGS!!”

  • Immahnoob

    Even if it was as “fucked up” as you thought it was before knowing the context, I believe they still have every right to introduce whatever type of story they want.

    Not saying you said otherwise.

  • Immahnoob

    Semantics disagree, you can’t interpret this the way Tumblarinas do, there’s no basis for it.

  • Gale

    Maybe it’s just me, but, for what purpose would I go out of my way getting the fan translation if it’s going to be changed as well?
    Isn’t that the reason most would avoid the legitimate translation?

    Well, less memes, I guess…

  • Tusheer

    it’s like talking to a brick wall… that screams back

  • Immahnoob

    Oh? They’re doing that too? Well, I never looked in the Wii U side since I don’t have one.

    But if they are, godspeed GBAtemp. Godspeed 3dshack community. I’ve never seen a better hack community before.

  • Tusheer

    …shit, now that you mentioned it, hasn’t most of NoA’s recent localized games been filled with dank memes?

  • Immahnoob

    If you read carefully, I say there are multiple fan translations. There’s the one from Serene’s Forest which supposedly is “censored” (it’s still a rumor) and there’s the one from GBAtemp, which seems to be a different team.

  • Gale

    Yeah. But still, I don’t see why you’d bother with a censored fan TL. But, again, that’s just me.
    At least GBATemp is doing it right!

  • Gale

    Absolutely loaded with them. Is your body ready?

  • Tusheer

    no.

  • Immahnoob

    Ohhhhh, I get what you mean now. Well, that’s why I said, if you’re fine with it.

    There’s surely some difference.

  • Well, expressing one’s displeasure with something is, more often than not, a call for either a change of product’s content, or an attempt to purchase a different product entirely. People don’t simply express such displeasures for nothing.

  • bateruchan

    so, what, more exposure to just… cute girls couldn’t have done that?
    what was the point of the nonconsent powder? it’s contrived as all shit.

    you can say that all you want, but when you hear the same shit your whole life, then kind of see it in action (because it’s vague as all shit, it’s contrived and it’s completely unnecessary) it hits pretty close to home.

    that’s it.
    NO they should NOT have censored it, for the 100th time.
    however, i can absolutely see why it would be offensive to some. that is not a cry for bottom-barrel censorship (that won’t do a good job at all of replacing it anyway), that is explaining to people here why some would get offended.

    yes, it bothers the fuck out of me.
    like i said in other posts, i hate the idea, i would avoid it at all costs and/or simply not buy the content as i do not like it. because i’m a mature adult, and if i’m bothered, i’ll simply choose not to consume the media. simple.

    as it stands, i have no plans to buy BECAUSE of censorship, so the likelihood is, is i would buy, then avoid that entire plot line altogether. it is tasteless and is simply for creator’s wishes. again, that’s fine, that’s their choice, and i do not think it should be censored. HOWEVER, it is perfectly within my rights, and the rights of people offended, to talk about it negatively (tho, again, i don’t think they should have their way all the way to the censorship pen) and to cause some outcry. they are perfectly allowed to their freedom of speech, as well, as am i.

    i DO NOT condone them using their freedom of speech (and press) to cause censorship (self- or not).

    and i stress this because it seems like posters here are missing my point and thinking i condone censorship because of my sensibilities. i am merely trying to explain why some would be offended.

    that is all.
    i do not buy censored games (provided i know about the censorship beforehand, i try, but i CAN miss things and learn from my mistake down the line). i do not like people fucking with the creator’s intentions, as a creator myself. however, i also feel like there’s this mentality here that “only i am allowed to feel and all these ~pussies~ are overreacting”, and it’s a little ridiculous. it comes from, i would hope, a lack of understanding… and all i aim to do is explain why there is a misunderstanding there from the point of view of someone who has dealt with, time and time again, “oh, bateru, just keep looking for the right girl, she’ll cure your faggotry”, essentially.

    if i fail, well, oh well.
    but i hope at least one people understands why some people would be (fairly and rightfully) offended–while they still should not be able to suppress speech, creativity and content.

    one CAN be offended by content, while not demanding it change for them. Please understand my point here.
    I AM heated, and I AM bothered, yes, but i do not condone this censorship. and from reading the text, i do not feel the “vagueness” is a permissible excuse to tell people they’re “feeling wrong”, because it very easily can be interpreted as “that pesky lesbian” shit that every lesbian gets at least once in their lifetime.

  • Gale

    If it helps with your stance on the whole ‘gay conversion’ thing, this isn’t the only support where she gets married to a man. And it’s the only where where she has anybody help her with anything.
    In other supports, Foleo’s in particular, she helps HIM with stuff IIRC.

  • bateruchan

    Fair enough. i did not see that.
    excuse me.

  • Brandon Wolfley

    Man, when this game was first announced I was so excited for a new Fire Emblem, but by this point, I don’t know. Between this and Halo 5, my favorite game series all seem to be imploding before my eyes.

  • Read ’em and weep. Zeus’ work my dude.

    https://gbatemp.net/threads/xenoblade-chronicle-x-undub.405092/

  • bateruchan

    how so? because i stay far away from the craphole that is tumblr, and yet, reading it myself, i grimaced multiple times.

    i don’t even know the controversy until now.
    i read the text, and what i got from it was a vague, but still present, “that pesky lesbian just has to find the right man” feeling from it.
    maybe that’s not intended, but ALL writing is open to interpretation. period. there are no ~semantics~ there that seem to close off interpretation and discussion.

  • Brandon Wolfley

    Isn’t that what they do best?

  • bateruchan

    i read the pastebin, you dumb fuck.

  • Immahnoob

    Yes, there are semantics that do not let you interpret a piece of writing as you want. There is nothing there that says she was forced into this and there was nothing there saying she converted.

  • bateruchan

    oh, look.
    i explained myself as concisely as i could, i calmed down, i explained i didn’t want censorship and i explained why i dislike the content personally, and that it is a personal feeling, and explained why others may feel the same

    only for this one line bullshit that approaches none of it.

    you want to talk about ‘talking to a brick wall’? you’re so closed off from even considering how someone else may see something, because, of course, you are right, right?

  • Tusheer

    considering that just being near one makes her faint… I really don’t think putting her into a room filled with cute girls would help.

    I can’t say i know how it feels when people try to “cure homosexuality” and it would be awfully ignorant of me to do so because it has never happened, so i’ll just leave that at that

    not talking about the censorship in this line, just clarifying that the whole thing was never about curing homosexuality, that’s it

  • MGNoxa

    I understand this but she fell in love with the female version. That’s just what has me confused.

  • Tusheer

    well, i posted that before you calmed down and tried to explain your point of view without going off

  • Tusheer

    honestly i was too… till they announced that they were splitting the game and selling routes seperately

  • Valwin Mediaz

    she was never fucking gay FUCKING TUMBLR

  • Valwin Mediaz

    she was not fucking gay

  • Antoinant

    Only knowing 日本語 can save you now

  • Valwin Mediaz

    what do you mean how did they cencore it ?

  • bateruchan

    no, one can detach themselves from their displeasure and the notion of changing something.

    i am displeased, yes.
    but it is the creator’s desire and i have no intention to change that. i stand for creators first and myself second, in situations such as these. that creator is not me, and i am not them, we are individuals and i should have no part in their decision-making.

    HOWEVER.
    i am allowed to interpret their writing, as is anyone else.
    i am allowed free speech, as is anyone else.
    and i am allowed to feel and react, as is anyone else.

    maybe, to you, my reaction is wrong, maybe overblown (sure, i can get that, as it is a personal topic to me), but i’m still allowed that emotion.

    but that emotion, that reaction, is individualistic and should be kept there. it is an emotion and a reaction–and that emotional reaction does not extend to stifling the creator of the content i reacted to. just as much as my reaction cannot, for example, turn violent (as it impedes on the rights of others’ safety), my emotional reaction should not be the law (as it impedes on the rights of others’ freedom of expression and speech).

    but i will not, at all, EVER, say that i, and others, are not allowed to react emotionally, be it negatively or positively. because that, imo, also is a breach of freedom of expression, and that people shouldn’t be allowed to talk about their reaction is a stifling freedom of speech.

    i hope i am clear with this reply.

  • NukeA6

    I hope someone makes a fan-translation and I will pirate the game if needed. Oh and fuck Tumblr and their adult-baby users.

  • bateruchan

    ?? Feel free to elaborate, because you seem to be approaching this as if i care that a man is helping a woman (i don’t–i don’t scream sexism when a man helps a woman, humans help each other, gender be damned).

    it still rubs me the wrong way at this moment.
    feel free to spoil me about the details.

  • BladeRunner

    So begins the FE Fates censorship articles. I’m expecting more articles to come in the future about other parts of the game being censored.

  • bateruchan

    i didn’t read time stamps, sorry.

  • koreawut

    Isn’t that pretty typical, though? It’s not like FE Fates is the first, or even a catalyst, it’s merely a part of something that already exists…

  • Mr0303

    No one is taking your gays away Tumblr. Stop messing up games.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    I didn’t say she was gay. I said Lesbians will be mad at this. I know she’s not gay.

  • As some of us said, there’s one particular Fan Translation from Serene’s Forest that will censor this scene (kills the purpose of fan translations).

    GBATemp also has a translation going as well. Imahnoob is asking them if they’re censoring it or not.

    https://gbatemp.net/threads/fan-translation-fire-emblem-if-fates.397560/

    It’s a shitty time when we’re wondering if even the fan-translations are getting censored too.

  • BladeRunner

    Yeah, I know, but I’m just expressing my frustrations over something I knew was going to happen months ago.

    Such a shame, I was really looking forward to this game when it was announced and started reading articles about the game and the characters.

  • bateruchan

    exposure therapy is a thing, and that’s exactly what the point of the powder was to be: to make her see cute girls more and to have to approach them, though.
    it was powder-based exposure therapy.
    but no, exposure therapy is the best way to deal with anxiety disorders in general.
    it could be handwaved away with main character simply getting one of the less cute girls to be paired with her (platonic) then slowly having other girls paired with her to the cuter ones in the ranks, until she is cured of her fainting issue. the powder is completely contrived and unneeded.

    again, i’m not demanding that kind of censorship, but it’s a suggestion to how i may have approached it myself, while keeping her issue intact. if i was on the localisation team, i’d be very open about NOT doing exactly that suggestion, but, say, if i made my own game, it’s how i would approach it. (but i feel like, giving a suggestion digs my grave here, and now i expect backlash)

    even if it’s not about curing homosexuality, it can absolutely be interpreted that way. it depends on the viewer. i imagine many straight people won’t see it that way (as they don’t have to deal with it) but many gay people may come away from it thinking it’s tasteless at best, or offensive at worst. i’m not sure where i fall on that tightrope. i know i’m bothered, but not quite how bothered i am right now.

    and some gay people may shrug and say my reaction is overblown.
    and that is fine too.
    they’re not wrong, i may just feel, personally, as they may have had a much easier life than i (and for that, they are very lucky and i’m quite envious)

    because it is vague, it’s left to interpretation, the morals/ethics behind this scene.
    and people will talk about those morals/ethics freely.

    i think that it should be left in as a talking point, if nothing else. it’s offensive to some of us, absolutely, but as is many other things. i think that, however, if people find it very offensive, they should show that with their wallets and simply choose to pass this game. period. and that is their right as a consumer to do so.

  • Gale

    Well, essentially there’s not really any situation of ‘gay conversion’ or turning the lesbo straight, etc etc.

    The entirety of Soleil’s character is a widely-used anime trope of “The straight girl that constantly hits of cute women but is not actually a lesbian”. It’s used across numerous comedy anime, harem anime, games, etc. It’s usually shit, but eh.

    Her character is also a female version of her dad, Inigo/Lazwald in the previous game Fire Emblem:Awakening. Her dad is the typical playboy, hits on women 24/7 dude.
    Now, all of Soleil’s supports in game that end in marriage are male. Flat out. The only situations that could be perceived as lesbianism or bisexuality are just mild teasing towards other girls.

    The best way to look at it, and it’s still shit because the entire support is *terrible* is Soleil started acting like her dad did for attention from him, and it backfired because now she can’t stop doing it and it has negatively affected her on the battlefield.

    Idk does that explain it?

  • Valwin Mediaz

    why would they be mad ?

  • Is it sad that I was kind of hoping it was just a gay scene that was edited so SJWs could get in and say something about “censoring anything being unreasonable!” But because it was under the use of the drug it will be the same swept under the rug argument of “perverts” and “that edit makes sense”.

  • Dammage

    Oh buy, here we go again. Nintendo can’t stop won’t stop

  • Tusheer

    i suppose to be fair, the writing does make it seem like what you interpret them as, and it really wasn’t the devs intention to begin with, since they intended to write Soleil as that Yuri bait trope, which frankly is a rather dumb trope and doesn’t translate well at all to the west

  • Zanard Bell

    Japan bowing down to cancer? Oh boy.

  • bateruchan

    a real lesbian may fall for the female version, but once the powder wore off, that feeling would drift away as they saw the male version again.

    it leaves a bad taste in my mouth nonetheless.

    let’s play a bit of a mental game for a moment. let’s say i met a really cute/hot guy online and began an online relationship with him. then, this person figured out they’re a trans woman AFTER she started talking to me, then proceeded to go on estrogen and became more and more feminine. eventually, my attraction would simply fade because, although her personality is the EXACT SAME, her body would eventually begin to not be attractive to me as i don’t like the female form.

    if that makes sense. it’s a bit pushing it, but i hope that clarifies things a little bit. it’s not like she lied to me, or anything, she didn’t realise her feelings for her body/her innate being transgender, but after the effects of the hormone (surgeries/etc) started showing, i would simply lose sexual attraction (and thus, a relationship beyond platonic) to her.

  • Chocolate ISISCream

    I FUCKING knew it man!! THAT seals the deal, I’m waiting for the HANS romhack of the Japanese version. Fuck NOA.

  • bateruchan

    i’m glad we’ve been able to talk this out and i’m glad i made myself understood now that i’ve calmed down a little. sorry for coming off so brash at first.

    i will concede that i doubt it was their intention, but like you said, the west will have a much harder time with it.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    Like someone pointed out earlier, LGTBBQ idiots are going to think this is “straight conversion” or some other bullshit combination of buzzwords.
    Edit: Don’t forget; NoA has SJWs working inside.

  • bateruchan

    yes. thank you for that.

    i still propose that the interpretation can come off as very bothering, even offensive, especially to the west.
    but i understand better now.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    you mean Nintendo of America

  • Tusheer

    well it happens, which is why staying calm is the best course of action.

  • Dewey Defeats Truman

    IT BEGINS

  • bateruchan

    she was given the powder without consent, for one, so yes, it does come off like she was forced.

    and in the pastebin, it absolutely comes off as conversion.
    being that she gets weak-kneed at girls, but then this guy, whom she knows is a guy, whom she sees as a guy as it wears off, is able to steal her heart?

    it absolutely does.

    whether you like it or not, writing is open to interpretation and people’s feelings are allowed to be had, even if they don’t share yours.

  • Immahnoob

    Thank you for the link.

    I’ve edited my posts about the fan translation censorship rumor, I will inquire myself specifically to see if they truly mean what they mean too.

    EDIT: This might as well be a rumor, unless you believe the fan translators are liars, which I doubt.

    They’re not going to censor their translation, they’ve said this here:

    http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=56220&p=4182087

    http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=56220&p=4184488

  • MGNoxa

    Okay, I would probably have the same reaction so I think I understand it better but we’re talking about love and not just sexual attraction and I can’t help but think this is supposed to be a sappy love story and there wasn’t any ill intention behind it.

    I think I just feel uncomfortable with the removal because like I said I really don’t think there was supposed to be anything negative about it, plus it’s such an odd storyline.

    Thinking about it, it might make for a better story if it ended with her gaining the confidence to be around women. Doesn’t mean they should change it to that though.

    I’m all for making stuff inclusive I just get annoyed when it’s done via censorship.

    Thanks for trying to help me understand why some are taking offence!

  • MusouTensei

    My money goes somewhere else.

  • a posing fedora

    I think anon is a fag m8
    >Luyairis (Team Sub-Leader, Translator)

  • Immahnoob

    She accepted his help, if he would have told her, she wouldn’t have been able to get over her own problems.

    And no, again, if you have problems with reading a script properly without introducing your own feelings into it, there’s nothing we can do. Semantically, you are wrong, there’s nothing else to it.

  • Immahnoob

    I wanted to post on the forums to ask you about it.

    So you guys will not copy the conversation from the censored game then? That’s good to hear.

  • bateruchan

    A lot of love and loving relationships do have a heavy basis in sex. after all, good relationships are essentially best friends with fucking thrown in there, or, at least, that’s how i feel. maybe others don’t see it that way, but i always have. i think a lot of people idealise a relationship like this though? a lot of people are unable to have a loving relationship with someone without their sexual needs met, and in the case of a lesbian with a man (even if she fell in love with a female vision of him) it would eventually turn platonic as neither are having their needs met.

    i also agree it shouldn’t be changed. i’ve given a suggestion in another comment on how /i/ would approach it, which would basically be pairing her (platonically) with female characters, from less cute to more cute, until she was over her fainting issue, but again, i would not replace it… and if i was on the localisation team, i would speak out against replacing it. my emotions and sensibilities are not the creator’s intention.

    it’s not my game, so it also is not my CALL.

    i’m glad i could help, at least a little. maybe my reaction is a bit overblown, but it is how i feel on the matter… and i imagine it’s how others may feel, as well. like i said, that is not a reason to scream for censorship, however.

    and i also think their intention wasn’t to harm gay people (in any way), but it is a VERY vague scene and it absolutely can come off that way to some people who deal with that mentality from others in real life, is all. but i doubt the creator intentionally put that there, or even has that mentality, thus, it was likely a (harmful, to some degree) mistake.

  • bateruchan

    sure, whatever you say, man.

    because the only people allowed to have emotions and reactions are you, and people like you, right?
    that’s it? and if you’re okay with it, well, by golly, EVERYONE should be, because you are right, and only your emotions/reactions are the correct ones.

    right?

    whatever.

  • Immahnoob

    No, I’m saying that you shouldn’t introduce your own feelings into it, the work tells you something differently from what you’re feeling it does.

  • Unbeliever

    Yo, ho, ho and a bottle of rum!!

  • a posing fedora

    I think you misunderstood, I’m not that guy, just sharing his reply and telling who he is.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    then leave

  • no reading all of these comments is amusing.

  • Phew, thank god for that. I’ll go edit my other posts then.

  • Immahnoob
  • bateruchan

    if the work tells me to feel something different, and it fails to do so, then it is a failure on the part of the writing.

    but the writing doesn’t. you have a girl who (seeminly) likes girls, gets weak-kneed and faintish at the sight of them, then falls for a guy (who, sure, looks female… until that powder wears off, that is).

    that’d be like you falling for a guy who looks like a chick temporarily and then being fine with it. or girl, whatever your sexual tastes are.

    now, one can say “yeah, but in the context of the previous game/this trope”, but one does not, in reality, simply force themselves into liking chicks on a whim. it’s not how that works. it CAN come off as “that pesky lesbian just hasn’t found the right man yet” (she even says he’s the only one who made her ~kokoro go dokidoki senpai~) when you read the dialogue path in the paste bin.

    it CAN.
    no, it will not to people who view plenty of yuri.
    no, it won’t to the people who know that trope like the back of their freckled-ass hand.

    but to the uninitiated, it hits close to home, because the mentality DOES exist in real life, and it is is a mentality that shows its ugly face to real gay people, who may be playing, and know that mentality far too well.

    whether you approve of their reaction or NOT is fucking irrelevant.
    you are not the fucking dictator of emotions and reader interpretation. you do not get to decide how people feel. you do not get to decide how people interpret WRITING.

    i am not saying you are WRONG in your interpretation. i’m saying it’s JUST vague enough to toe that line to the people who live it, so they can absolutely feel that wavering line blur and maybe it is going to hit too close to their real experience.

    writing does not exist in a fucking vacuum–the person reading that writing has their own baggage brought to the table.

    THAT PERSON, however, is not the arbiter of what is or is not allowed in vidya writing. just as much as you aren’t about their feelings, reactions and interpretation.

    get off your high fucking horse.

  • bateruchan

    i doubt anyone on nichegamer would say otherwise.

  • Zanard Bell

    Right, sorry.

  • Fenrir7

    I really fucking hate sjws. We would be so much better off without these whiny self entitled pricks.

  • Izzy Lichi

    somehow im ok with this being censored. lol but dont sensor the female stuff please! <3

  • bateruchan

    you shouldn’t be okay with it being censored.
    it is still the creator’s writing, regardless of whether you or i agree with it. that’s their creation, their intention and their vision.

    you should never, ever be okay with a localisation team taking personal liberties based on emotional appeal.

    (and no, i am actually bothered by this, myself, before you say i enjoy the concept of this shit)

  • Valwin Mediaz

    you are whats wrong with Nintendo wtf ?

  • Mir Teiwaz

    And I never said anything about being against it’s inclusion. I was just saying that, based on how it was worded in the article, it sounded worse without the context.

  • Nagato

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZO38D2WwAAk0Vf.png

    Rated T for Treehouse, now with a fancy pic courtesy of forumite Ebi.

  • Antoinant

    Which was created in 2007 too.
    This year was the beginning of the end.

  • Daryl Corey

    I dislike any sort of censorship but at the same time this has me laughing a gay scene is being censored.

  • Pooh Hardy

    Anyone remember that southpark episode where cartman gets the theme park all to himself but over time lets people slowly join in?

    this just reminds me of it…. idk why

  • Jish Gribban

    Well, that settles it. I’m so tired of this bullshit every other month. Never buying another Nintendo product at a retailer ever again. 2nd hand only.

  • Senka

    What I’d really like someone to do is ask the NintendoWorldReport
    article writer for a copy/screenshot of the email they sent to NoA.
    Considering how context is everything for the supposed issue in the
    game, I think context is important for why the representative gave that
    response.

  • Stilzkin

    IT BEGINS

  • Stilzkin

    God, I hate Serenes so much

  • NukeA6

    It makes no sense. There has been worse things that have happened in Fire Emblem. The fourth game had incest, one of the playable characters being tormented till she killed herself, another one being a whore, and other dark stuff. Hell, it was Game of Thrones before most people knew The Song of Ice & Fire existed.

  • Immahnoob

    Kek, I’m actually having a great time reading this thread:

    http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=59603&page=11

    What a cancerous community. One guy is blaming others for using shitty reasons to accept this change yet he is still just as arbitrary. The lack of self-awareness and logic is outstanding.

    But at least we know their fan translators are not retarded.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    the issue was tumblr some Tranner over there made a big deal about it

  • King of Bros

    I remember when Kotaku and a bunch of other clickbait rags freaked out about the ”gay conversion” without bothering to fact check a fucking thing.

    I directly blame them for this.

    I should also mention that Nichegamer had one of the few articles debunking the paranoia about it back then. Sad to see it didn’t stop the inevitable censorsh- err,localization.

  • This whole thing was blown out of proportion. There was no need to remove or censor anything. This guy does a good job of explaining the real situation in the game:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iVFPheRegw

  • Looks like I’ll keep pirating Nintendo games.

    Nintendo deserves to go out of business if they keep this up.

  • alterku

    Makes my life easier. Feels good knowing I don’t have another game to add to the backlog. Come to think of it, it may very well have been Nintendo’s own doing that forced me to buy a Vita.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Maybe I am in the dark about fan translations so pardon my ignorance with my next sentence. But I find it amazing that not only a company can fuck up this much in such a short amount of time but one has to rely on fans to do the job that Nintendo SHOULD HAVE done in the first place. Also, where’s the SJW outcry? You’d think that in 2016 where homosexual rights are more embraced that they would consider Nintendo homophobic yet I don’t hear a peep from them.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    mmm i think you dont get it she is not gay tumblr is mad cuz they think she is been force to be strait

  • Fenrir007

    My stance on this is very simple. I have 2 3DSs. One of them has CFW. If they censor it, I will use the fan translation instead – and I’m sure that, in the event that some SJW group ends up doing that, someone will end up correcting it elsewhere, and I will stick to that version. I’m not giving a cent to censorship.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    It’s more like Allison Rapp and her NoA cronies destroying anything they get their hands on.

  • Mighty No. 56008

    Are we really that surprised that this is happening? I’d actually be more shocked if we don’t hear about more changes/localizations/censorship once the game comes out.

  • Cy

    For fucks sake. Stop censoring your games because of SJW’s who aren’t going to buy your fucking games anyway, Japan. Stop assuming I can’t decide for myself what content I want to be exposed to.

  • Go D. Usopp

    I don’t care enough about the scene itself to say i’m gonna hack it and use the fan translation since it really has no value to me regardless but I will buy the game used. Will certainly take the sting out of having to buy two versions at least

    Also didn’t the character in question always only have the option to date men anyway? So the entire premise of the ridiculous Tumblrina argument fails at the first hurdle from the fact that she’s not even gay

  • Kiryu

    Wise decision,more people should be as smart as you.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    you are right no matter what she could only be with males so this whole she is gay thing comes out of nowere

  • Kiryu

    Censortendo strikes back.

  • Uncle Heffy

    Not playing anyways. The game became a dating sim, and caters to LGBT now.

  • Chocolate ISISCream

    Goddamnit, Tusheer. Stop trying to stir up another shitstorm.

  • scemar

    It sounds like a stupid scene in the first place.
    But this would be an even more stupid change.

    No point in this other than pandering to the perpetually offended crowds of overly sensitive snowflakes.
    It’s no different from them randomly removing religious symbols to avoid offending similarly hyper sensitive crowds of ned flanders or changing blood to sweat to appease overly concerned parents.

    It’s, in the end, censorship.

  • scemar

    There’d be nothing stopping anyone from ripping a translation and modifying it and then putting it back up on the internet.

  • Daryl Corey

    So if she is still a marry option for the male character they are basicly making her straight then?

  • chaoguy

    Tell Nintendo of Japan.
    I can’t get a direct email (it’s all NOA’s email addresses), but I’ve found physical addresses:
    Nintendo Company, Ltd. (MAIN OFFICE, JAPAN)
    11-1 Kamitoba-hokotate-cho, Minami-ku,
    Kyoto 601-8501
    Japan

    President: Tatsumi Kimishima
    Senior Managing Directors: Genyo Takeda, Shigeru Miyamoto
    Directors: Shigeyuki Takahasi, Staoshi Yamoto, Susumu Tanaka, Shinya Takahashi, Hirokazu Shinshi.

    Give them hell, tell them you want games uncensored, unfiltered. No localization, just translation. As well as the#FireEmblemFates hashtag and other social media.

    Nintendo also just opened up a Tumblr. http://nintendo.tumblr.com/ So feel free to vent your anger there.

    Priority 1 is finding that email address though.

  • scemar

    Not like it matters.
    Once a translation is out there, nothing stops other people from editing it and making a fan-fan translation.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    no she was strait already this is the thing there is a alot of mix information

    there only 2 gay characters in game and she is not part of then

  • Grahav

    Thing is, being a gay conversion scene or not, still is censorship. A lot of people don’t like Undertale’s gay characters. Was it censored to protect their feels? No. Why a game with a point of view contary to a another segment of society should be?

  • scemar

    There’s that legit rumor going that localizers at nintendo get promoted and payed for their work time on localizing.

    Which means more work, like “culturally adapting” a part of a game equals more money for them.

    So to them this is something they do for themselves, they’d got their motivations already and kotaku just gave them an excuse to go ahead and justify it more easily.

  • scemar

    Nichegamer did the only article that explained that entire story.

    Everyone else doesn’t want you to have the context.

  • Daryl Corey

    so if she was straight why need magic powder to marry her?

  • DizzyGear

    Nooooo! How utterly predictable!

  • Valwin Mediaz

    in japan there this thing about finding people of the same sex cute you know the typical girls grope boobs
    there some BS plot about her trying to mess with her dad by acting like him around girls well it backfires and now she get spaghetti around then so male Kamui helps her get over it and act normal around girls well she ends up falling in love with him
    but the powder it self is not about love

  • DizzyGear

    Nintendo’s jar of disappointment never runs empty.

    So true. At this point i also fully expect their next console to be region locked again because fuck you.

  • daggot △

    Good thing the fans foresaw this and completed a fan translation.

  • Neojames82

    http://gamesided.com/2016/01/21/fire-emblem-fates-contains-controversial-change-in-the-west/

    “However you feel about the scenes themselves, Nintendo has every right to adjust them to avoid upsetting a particular audience. It’s not censorship–it’s not as though the government demanded they remove the content. It’s an artistic and business decision to convey the meaning of a scene in a way that will not put off those who might spend money on a product.”

    Bull to the shit. Just because it isn’t mandated by the government doesn’t mean it isn’t censorship.

  • scemar

    Standard SJW tactic.
    Moving goalpoast by redefining whatever they want.

  • DizzyGear

    Its only censorship when something they like gets edited/removed. IE: implied lesbians in some shitty cartoon.

  • Daryl Corey

    Oh yeah I know that trope well but it was not being conveyed well as being the case here as I have almost zero clue about this game other than I know I am getting the Birthright version and just getting the other two paths digitally. I have been playing the FEs since Path of Radiance the GC one but I am not usually the type to dig into story stuff before launch just mechanics for games

  • Daryl Corey

    yep pretty much

  • DizzyGear

    You mean this?

    http://imgur.com/3wS4DAi

    Hopefully one day someone will leak some hard proof of these practices onto the web.

  • TheCynicalReaper

    HAHAHAHAHA!!
    “Fight the heteronormativity! Censor this game for trying to imply that homosexuality is something to be fixed! All games must be censored of content we don’t like!”

    “WAIT YOU ALSO CENSORED MUH LESBIAN ROMANCE?! B-B-BUT WHY?! CENSORSHIP IS BAD!”
    GOOD! SJW schizophrenic tears make me hot and bothered

  • Fear Me I Am Free

    Just play the fan translation on a hacked 3DS. Maybe if NIntendo sees affected sales, they will stop all this ridiculous censorship.

  • Fear Me I Am Free

    Yup, it all seems to go back to the media pushing a narrative because without them, most SJW bullshit would never get traction.

  • buddyluv324

    Another swing and a miss from NoA. Of course by now when we first heard about this we pretty much all knew that this will be changed in some form when it comes into the states. “Localization” strikes again with Nintendo.

  • Audie Bakerson

    NoA isn’t getting my money as long as they try to sell me inferior versions of Nipponese games I can import for less.

  • luggage lad

    It’s yuri so people care.. but if it was yaoi related, gamergate would be saying “this is an acceptable change for cultural differences”…

  • Kraken

    i am so sick of NoAs shit. im gonna check out that fan translation. if they want me to start paying for their crap again they can start putting out games with the full content the Japanese kids get.

  • I’m years studying japanese by myself and I’m nowhere near basic level. I only superficially know 20-30 kanjis. Don’t even ask me about stroke order because I can’t even fathom that lol.. Also I don’t remember every reading of a particular kanji but only its most common ones. But anyway I’m still buying japanese versions because their packaging, cover, booklet, voice over is better and no censorship apart from the first party one that could happen.

  • Kamille Bidan

    Oh boy here we go

  • No_Good_Names_Ever

    At least now it’s possible to swap scripts if you don’t know Japanese.

  • British_Otaku

    Siliconera sorted out things quickly enough too. I may be a mod there but the writer dug through some comments for clarification before I could ask: http://www.siliconera.com/2016/01/21/fire-emblem-fates-will-controversial-dialogue-removed-west/

  • British_Otaku

    I can’t agree enough of Japan having a better booklet.

  • British_Otaku

    I can endure that as long as another F-Zero comes. I’m more pissed about their portables even if every other console is Region free.

    Backwards compatibility matters more to me.

  • British_Otaku

    If they promised it, I would just avoid localisations and never be disappointed.

  • Keirnoth

    >Sweden

    WELL AIN’T THAT A FUCKING SURPRISE????

  • Keirnoth

    TO NEPNEP-I-VERSE!

  • tccboss

    I saw this coming two miles away. Now is there a way we can fix this or not? Who do we have to talk to?

  • MusouTensei

    Damn straight.

  • Antoinant

    >years studying
    >still beginner level
    Git gud you casual.

  • wererat42

    Even if you want to say that there’s nothing wrong with with spiking someone’s drink, there is nothing beneficial gameplay-wise to S-ranking Soleil, all you’re doing is removing a skill that actually buffs her just so she can be your waifu

  • Alistair

    Once again auntie Ninty thinks we kids are too sensitive to sexy things & have to order of changes to be made.

    But it not loli, but it not about boobs, the SJWs crowd would be happy as it about gay gender.

    Saying there not enough gay gender in games just sexy heterosexual women lush by heterosexual white men.

    So being gay in games is also added to the No-No list right.

    But senran is perfect okay on a ninty platform that spells hypocrites.

  • I’m tried of games being censored. I’m gonna need people to get out of their feels about certain things. If you don’t like it that’s fine…but causing extra work to be done because of it is a waste of time and money.

  • forweg

    Even if the scene *did* actually portray a gay character being “converted” (which it doesn’t), it still should not be censored.

  • tccboss

    Andrea Ritsu….. Andrea Ritsu…. oh I know this ass hat!! This fucker here talks about weeb shit all the time and claims he’s a “girl” and talks SJW madness all the time. I’m not surprised this person is doing this.

  • BruiserBrother

    The character isn’t gay, she’s just her father’s child (her dad is Inigo ffs). She flirts with every girl she meets, same as her dad. She also can’t pursue a relationship with female characters; something that would be available if she were in fact gay.

  • Immahnoob

    I keep on seeing this, but is there any evidence of it? It could really be useful to know.

  • British_Otaku

    Evidence of what? Her pairings are listed on her Fire Emblem Wikia page as well as much of her characterisation.

  • Go D. Usopp

    The point isn’t that you aren’t allowed to have feelings, it’s that your feelings aren’t grounded in any form of objective reality and thus the fact that you’re feeling them can only be blamed on you and not the work of fiction that you blatantly misinterpreted, it’s creators or the people who enjoy it

  • Immahnoob

    Hmmmm, then wouldn’t her sexual orientation be heterosexual? It’s no longer ambiguous.

  • it’s because i can’t go to university and my languages faculty doesn’t have a japanese course.. so i’m studying by myself. also working, going to workers school, being depressed, being studying also english because it isn’t my native language, having a band, playing gigs in avenues, doing house chores, having a girlfriend, searching for a new job, developing a game and so on give me less time to practice.. anyway i can understand some basic level of conversation, can find a kanji by looking at its radicals, read some relatively easy mangas and novels and write basic phrases. but for me this is less than basic level.. i don’t know joyo kanjis and even kyoiku kanjis are difficult for me..

  • British_Otaku

    You could say that but word is that how clumsily the “I like cute girls to the point of getting weak at the knees” thing is handled gives room for a Bi interpretation.

    That and an apparent marriage conversation with a fashion loving cute young man called Foleo. There is a lot to unearth even for me, but the end of things is that the game supported no female marriage partners no matter what she said in the dialogue.

  • Immahnoob

    So she has an obsession with the female beauty. I would say it’s just an exaggerated Japanese trope and nothing to do with her sexuality.

    And since you guys are saying her dad does the same, it’s obviously just a nod to him.

  • bateruchan

    everyone who says i’m blatantly misinterpreting this need to also bring this up to the people here who understand how i could have this reaction, i guess?

    because as it stands, half the people who disputed me get how i could react that way (while we both agree that that reaction should not cause censorship, self-imposed or otherwise) and the other half of you are taking some fucking high horse stance and telling me i’m just flat-out wrong about something as subjective as personal experience and interpretation over media/writing.

    which, imo, comes off as retarded as fuck.
    i’m not a professional journalist who is meant to review shit as objectively as possible, nor have i AT ALL EVER fucking claimed that i’m being objective here.

    “blatantly misinterpreted” is the biggest load of shit when the dialogue is so vague it hurts. YOU have been initiated to the trope before, i have not. and when dialogue such as

    “I’m really sorry, but a little while ago, I poured some of it into your drink.” <– implies without asking, which is dumb as shit, because he could have proposed this experiment beforehand, if he was just going to spoil it immediately
    and
    "I’ve loved you since the day I saw you as a girl." <–but definitely fucking this one, coming from a girl who seemingly only likes girls as assumed by "no other man could make my heart pound like this" and by the fact she gets faintish about cute girls, where being weak-kneed/faintish is a fucking stereotypical sign of crushing on someone in anime/manga/japanese tropes.

    fucking please.

    and honestly? i don't give a fuck if my feelings aren't 'grounded in any form of objective reality' to you because to most the fucks on sites like this who will knee-jerk react and shout SJW SHILL think 'objective reality' is 'my reality, no one else's' and doesn't even read why someone has the feelings they have. "FUCK! you KIND OF agreed with a tumblrina's feelings! SHILL! SJW! CENSORSHIP POLICE!" seems to be the immediate knee-jerk reaction, never stepping back and realising that someone can agree with them to SOME extent, while not being a massive extremist piece of shit like them.

    and you are massively full of fucking shit if you want me to believe that you view everything, even on your first view, as neutral without any personal experience or emotion clouding your view. if you REALLY think you're that level of neutral, you need to hop off your high horse.

    because the ~objective reality~ is that this mentality of "i can fix those pesky lesbians by finding them the right man" actually does exist, and isn't at all really uncommon among bigots. NO i don't believe the creator of this scene had this in mind, necessarily, but it's an objective fucking fact that some people -really fucking do believe that shit- and that this harkens to that to SOME PEOPLE who have experienced that mindset over and over and over again. it comes off as a "i can turn that pesky lesbian straight by pulling the right tricks" fantasy, whether intended or not (i don't believe it is intentional, and even if so, the game IS NOT REAL and people are allowed that fantasy as long as they don't impose it on OTHER PEOPLE).

    so fuck off with your ~objective reality~ shit, because everyone's view of reality is, at least to some degree, tinted by their baggage and experience. no, this doesn't mean i can't step back and say "yes, but my experience should not be the catalyst to censorship", but to even at all imply that this mentality objectively does not exist in reality is absolute fucking bullshit.

    and i am not blaming anyone who enjoys this fantasy (fetish/fantasy is allowed to exist SO LONG AS it brings no [non-consensual] physical harm to others) or the creator (i don't think it was done maliciously) or anyone else. i am FULLY AWARE it is my feelings and the feelings of those who may have experienced this, and those feelings and reactions should not be the catalyst to censorship, at all, ever. nor am i even saying you should feel bad for having a fantasy/fetish of shit like this, just that you're not allowed to impost that on real fucking people. there is a REASON i think the scene should stay in whether it makes me shiver in disgusts or not.

    but to say my view is not reality and to pretend i live some fantasy life is fucking laughable, because if you think this mentality doesn't exist–and that there are gay people whose view of this scene WON'T be coloured by having experienced that mentality in the real world–then it's not ME who isn't living in objective reality: it's you.

  • Thanatos2k

    I care far more that the game is being sold multiple times over this.

  • Thanatos2k

    It’s absolutely censorship. Why lie?

  • scemar

    Bravo to them, I’m not used to seeing them come out that honest about this stuff but I would love to see them doing it more.
    It’s a good trend, more should join the truth business.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    Pretty much hate then ail in the head bru

  • Cael

    Go fuck yourself Nintendo.

  • BruiserBrother

    http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Soleil

    Not a single female romance option. The closest you get is trap-kun

  • NukeA6

    And they wonder why there is transphobia. Those dirt bags are creating it.

  • TylorW

    Someone else commented on this on Siliconera, and what they said makes some sense:

    “NeptuniasBeard • 10 hours ago

    British_Otaku

    hope you guys can feature this comment because the raging here is ridiculous.

    Nintendo didn’t say they were changing ANYTHING. They said that there will be no drugging or gay conversion in the American version of the game. There was NONE in the original Japanese version either. There is no censorship, nothing is being changed, let alone removed. That e-mail was likely JUST for the people who believe that those things were present from the start, when it wasn’t.

    Please look at the GaijinHunter video. He explained this misconception a few months back

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…”

    It might be wishful thinking, but it could also be very possible that NoA will still follow through with the scene, just with the ACTUAL translated text so as to not imply any of the above accusations. I know that sounds naively optimistic, but I’d rather get more info on this before I do get into a foul mood.

  • Valwin Mediaz

    pretty much

  • Valwin Mediaz

    Interesting but the twitter reaction from some people in localization teams seein to point that did change something

  • TylorW

    So I guess it’s a “wait and see” situation nonetheless then?

  • Valwin Mediaz

    i guess i just hope they did not mess with her in a way that you can not max her

  • TylorW

    Agreed, though I don’t think they’re willing to go that far as it would interfere with the game as a whole at that point.

  • sirhotalot

    This kind of censorship has been going on for decades. It’s not new, but it needs to stop.

  • perfectchaos83

    If it’s indeed censored and not some sort of misunderstanding, then fuck you Nintendo.

  • Go D. Usopp

    Misinterpreting my comment too it seems. Brilliant

    I never said that that mentality doesn’t exist in reality I said it doesn’t exist in the context of the game. Don’t make things up just so you can extend your little rant a bit more

    You’re also assuming that I enjoy this type of content, which I don’t, or that i’d ever be enough of a GamergateTard to use the phrase “SJW shill” which is absurd, i’m not a moron

    My point was simply why most people don’t care how you interpreted the content in this game because your interpretation of that specific content, NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL LIFE, is dead wrong in every way and kicking up a stink about it is a waste of everyone’s time, even you’re own if you are, as you say, anti-censorship

    Your entire engagement in discussion about this topic essentially boils down to a necessity to tell the world about your feelings

  • landlock

    Whatever happens today will never be as bad as it was during the Nes/Snes era. That was the true era of censorship. Even games like Chrono Trigger were censored on the Snes/PS1.

    Every generation and every console has had games that have been censored Resident Evil1 , The Last of Us, Twisted Metal Black, The Punisher, Bionic Commando, FFIV, FFVI, Duke Nukum 3D, LOZ: Ocarina of Time, Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (yes really), FFVI on the GBA was censorsed even more , Xenosaga 1,2,3, Xenogears, Siren Blood Curse that just off the top of my head.

    Most cases you don’t even hear about it until much later. It happens mostly involving three things violence, sex or religion.

  • Antoinant

    That’s some shitty scheduling

  • Neojames82

    I guess they never heard of corporate censorship; educational censorship; military censorship; self censorship?!

  • scemar

    Nah.
    If journalists gave up looking for facts that’d be an improvement over what we got.

    The facts are give to them often, you can’t be on the internet and not read them because they get reposted, but when a journalist sees the facts coming their way they close their eyes, cover their ears and run away because they don’t want no facts getting in the way of their “Story”.

  • Nagato

    Allow me to be the one to refill your cup this morning:

    http://twitter.com/alisonrapp/status/690264632066355200

  • Bianca Ann Saracino

    As someone who has like 0 knowledge in stuff like this, does that uncensor allow you to keep the eng dub but add back the removed outfits/slider? Was hoping someone would be able to do that eventually but i really have no experience in this like this haha

  • MusouTensei

    So? Doesn’t makes this shit better.

  • landlock

    #dealwithit

  • bateruchan

    ~nothing to do with real life~ except consumption of media is NOT IN A VACUUM.

    and i’m sorry if the tropes of ‘weak-kneed and faintish when crushing hard’ is a trope we see in all of anime and jrpgs. and, you know, you usually get pretty fucking crushy when it’s someone you like–especially sexually. jfc.

    Sorry if I want to explain WHY some people will find this shit offensive, so maybe, just maybe, someone will learn why. At this point, i’m lengthening my posts so i don’t get stupid fucking accusations from the same people who knee-jerk and shout LIBERAL SCUM/SJW/SHILL all over this site because every time i don’t explain in great detail, i get this shit. i have to repeat 10x a post that i’m NOT for censorship, or people gloss over it.

    clearly, my posts weren’t all to waste because a number of people have now said my explanation let them understand why some people were offended.
    and holy shit, it’s not like only you and people who agree with you are allowed to comment on this post and have a giant circlejerk shouting “NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE OFFENDED BECAUSE I SAID SO”. because that’s exactly what it seems everyone is trying to tell me here. “your feelings/interpretation doesn’t matter because…”

    even tho the text, from a girl who regularly crushes on girls, admits to the MALE MAIN CHARACTER she fell in love with the GIRL FORM of him, and that it didn’t fade just because she saw him as a guy after it faded, and that he’s the only guy (‘the right guy to fix that pesky lesbian’) insinuates shit to people from a -certain demographic- who have experienced different shit than you have, they have a right to react to that. the creator has a right to do nothing with that feedback. the localisation team’s goal should be a true-to-the-source translation and localisation of the original content how the creator wanted it to be.

    it is one thing to REACT and explain why someone is bothered by this content. it is another thing to ACCUSE THE CREATOR of being malicious (i highly, highly doubt there was any malicious intent at all). that second one would be something i have to prove to you. the former is just my reaction–and i feel the need to explain why other people may be bothered as well to the people who openly say they didn’t get why.

    keep lying to yourself and saying it’s ~dead wrong in every way~, though, sweetheart. it’s too bad FICTION IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION, especially written DIALOGUE, which is open to the exact same kind of interpretation as typed-out text or a novel.

    or, am i offending you by reading things in a different light than you? is that it? i have to read the shit on the page and pull my own experiences away from the content 100% (something no one can honestly fucking do) and take the words transliterally every fucking time to be ~okay~ to the nichegamer audience?

    Is that it?
    it’s be an emotionless robot with no past experience and no feelings on anything unless it steps in line with the group?
    i can’t be fucking mad that it got censored why simultaneously being bothered by the content that ended up censored? because i am not fucking celebrating the localisation team here, and i’ve been shitting on their choice of localisation since the beginning, where i -got my fucking ass reamed on here for pointing out the game would end up censored ages ago-, but lo and behold, here it is!

    and if you don’t want me to tell the ~world about my feelings~ then /stop fucking replying/.

  • WB1c_Marathon

    I need a drink. . . or 12.

  • SiliconNooB

    I don’t think I’ve bought any Nintendo games since the PS4 came out. Q4 2015 was the point where I thought they were finally going to release something to justify my continued ownership of the Wii U, but then they censored Fatal Frame and Xenoblade. And now they are censoring Fire Emblem.

    I will be very unlikely to buy an NX unless it gets some incredible games on it.

  • MusouTensei

    I do, by not spending Money on censored garbage.

  • buddyluv324

    I dont know if anyone put this pic up already but just in case, I have this. I think this should be something that needs to be looked at more deeply with all of this mess going on as of late.

  • buddyluv324

    This nutjob is Nintendo’s Dina from MN9…..but more hopped up on coke….or whatever else she’s on.

  • The Magnificent Steiner

    As if I didn’t have enough reasons already to not buy these games.

  • landlock

    You must research every single game you buy then? You’d be surprised which games are censored and you never knew.

  • Vcom7418

    Didn’t Kotaku report what the scene was actually about? I think you confuse it with Destructoid.

  • Brandon Wolfley

    Inigo huh? Well, now the pieces are all falling into place.

  • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d0725d670a15ba9036aeef05201bf7e90453129c7a360a93e2fea0514680a16e.jpg I’m reviewing the thread now (saw this back then and was still kinda confused). What they did was find files that contained outfit data, as well as copies for each of those files with “_us” in them. They copied the original files, deleted the “_us” files, and then pasted the original files and attached “_us” on these ones. Then boom, uncensored outfits. NoA was lazy as hell with the censorship, they didn’t even bother deleting the original outfits from the game’s files.

    Here’s where they started talking more about it.
    https://gbatemp.net/threads/xenoblade-chronicle-x-undub.405092/page-4#post-5855577

    As for the slider, it’s a little more complicated. They started messing with number values and stuff that’s way beyond my comprehension. The other method they found was to make a character in the US version and save it. Then in the game’s save folder, there’s data for the character. Copy that to the JP version’s save folder and load the JP game. Select you character and press X, then from there you can change the character’s bust. Save the character, dive into the game’s files, retrieve the character’s data, then put it back in the US (or EU) version’s save folder. https://gbatemp.net/threads/xenoblade-chronicle-x-undub.405092/page-12#post-5878639

    Personally, I’d rather wait for a better method that’s not so outta the way.

  • MusouTensei

    I do, back then there was no widely available Internet, nowadays you find that Information pretty fast. I’m much more aware of it now.
    Also as a german, let me tell you that you can’t even fathom the true bullshit that videogame censorship really is, and I’d hate to see that happen to other 1st world countries. It’s just the opposite of what happens in america, lewd stuff is okay, Senran Kaguara 2 (where for example in the bio of one character it says that her favorite hobby is sexual harassment) or DOAX2 for example are both in their uncensored form 12+ games here, referencing drugs might lead to an 18+ Rating but no reason to ban. Here it’s violence and references/depiction to our dark past of nazi Germany that often gets/got censored. Imagine normally gory game, with not a drop of blood.
    But when the non gaming media and government attacked us german Gamers after our last School Shooting in 2009, comparing us to pedophiles and nazis, we fought back, we fought back several Jack Thompsons with more influence than the real Jack becaue they were actual politicians who wanted to ban every violent game, but we said no, the gaming media said no, the industry said no.
    In the end new child protection laws were made that makes it illegal to sell a 18+ product to minors, and since then, cenorship is actually steadily decreasing here. But then the femtards come and try to fuck it all over in america, which in the end, unlike the censorship we, and only we had, will affect the entire gaming world, and all of the sudden, the gaming media says no to Gamers and even some gamer cucks suddenly agree with censorship, what the actual fuck?

  • Momiji

    Wow, such detail.

  • Go D. Usopp

    And I thought it was impossible for me to be taken even more wrongly than usual by anyone on this site. Ha

    Pretty much none of what you just said even remotely applies to me. Hell i’m pretty much infamous for saying shit the people around here disagree with and having them all jump down my throat for it so I hardly think that nonsense about having to conform to their groupthink matters

    I simply see no value in pushing an interpretation of content which is demonstrably false onto others. It’s YOUR interpretation. You’ve acknowledged that it wasn’t the intent and thus by all standards, isn’t actually present in the game. Why attempt to convince people of it if you know it’s not technically “correct” (and i’m trying to use vague terminology here so you don’t get mad about it again)

    Essentially what you’re saying is that you know it’s just how you felt about it and you don’t want censorship but deem it necessary to try to convince everyone of the pro-censorship interpretation anyway for some odd reason and to make a long story short, it just makes absolutely no sense

  • Yamato

    Hmm well if the “striptease” and lines get taken out I won’t be surprised, don’t see the big deal though there are WAY more things kids could get access to than a T rated striptease with some naughty lines and a couple game characters in underwear lmao.

  • Link_Xp4444

    Here we go again…

    I don’t mean to sound vulgar, but how many times do you think Nintendo have been raped by their own customers at this point? It’s gotta be numbering in the hundreds by now!

    I’m surprised Nintendo hasn’t taken the next step and removed the ability for male characters to actually kill female characters in battle, and replaced it with a “fall back” or “the enemies been injured!” type scenario. Maybe they’ll pull an Anita and just remove the option to play as a male protagonist in all their future games. You know, for equality.

    I mean, seriously! How exactly would the gaming industry handle a red pill male protagonist? Think someone like Rance, but minus the rape for obvious reasons. I mean hell, a red pill male who actually stuck up for himself and talked back to a female character who mouths off at mine (like a tsundere female character like Severa) would cause the gaming industry to have a damn meltdown with the way things are now! A male character that dares question the narrative and talks back to a poor, oppressed female character with an attitude problem? Misogyny!

    Seriously though, stuff like this will only go as far as we allow it to go. The video game industry is NOT supposed to be a “safe space” for female gamers, just as it sure as hell isn’t one for male gamers. I mean, how many male characters are murdered in video games? I’m pretty sure death is far, farrrr worse than a boob or two, or a “gay conversion” conversation.

    By the way, I would laugh my ass off if a female member of the Intelligent Systems team is the one who came up with Soleil”s character, as well as her support conversations. I mean, imagine the controversy if feminists and social just-us “warriors” got a woman’s artistic vision censored. Let me go to the store and buy plenty of popcorn if that’s what happened.

    See, this is why I’m a proud member of GamerGate. The fact is, they can say changing the dialogue for each games region is why they censore games, but in-game images (think Tharja’s butt from Fire Emblem: Awakening Summber Scramble DLC) has absolutely nothing to do with a game’s dialogue and what is verbally acceptable in each region.

  • bateruchan

    look. there you go AGAIN. i have said probably 20-40 times over all my comments that MY FEELINGS and MY REACTION and EXPLAINING those things to people is NOT a cry for censorship. i am NOT a censorship apologist. i fucking hate the fact it IS censored–if it was not, i would buy it and avoid this girl’s relationship path. that it IS means i will not buy it at ALL because i am extremely anti-censorship.

    i’m explaining why some people are bothered or even offended because people are asking “b-but why?” if people ask why, i’ll answer ‘why’. that does not mean i’m for the fucking censorship.

    because the general idea is “w-well i don’t feel that way so YOU’RE WRONG”.
    i don’t think the original intent was to offend (or ANYTHING of the sort). that doesn’t mean that interpretation is entirely wrong–people bring their baggage with them on viewing content. it’s natural and normal. go check out the comments to that one domestic abuse game that was recently announced for more evidence. and that game is just meant to be funny, but hey, for a lot of us it hits too close to home. are you gonna go over there now and shout at those people for whom domestic violence is a stinging point and say that what they experienced is irrelevant because the creator is just being funny? i doubt it.
    an interpretation is not inherently wrong just because the intention of the content was not meant to offend. it just means that person has experienced a mentality that kind of bleeds out into this particular trope, and it will (unfortunately and likely unintentionally) conjure up that negative response in that person.

    however, it is the accusation of malicious intent that IS wrong, and accusing someone of bigotry with very little (to no) evidence is, you know, a little something most of us would call slander/libel.

    you CAN detach interpretation from the person who wrote the content.
    you CAN have a negative emotional reaction without the idea of “i don’t like this, get rid of this”.
    and most importantly, one SHOULD understand their reaction–and the freedom of expression and speech given to them to write about and talk about said reaction–and realise that their emotions should not hinder or stifle the creativity of someone else’s freedom of expression and speech. in other words, if you dislike it, don’t buy it. don’t change it for your sensibilities… just don’t buy it. the market WILL decide if they deem it acceptable or not to exist.

    however, don’t come to ME and start bitching ME out when other people ask ‘why’ and i answer the question for them. it’s pointless as fuck and it comes off as childish to accuse me of agreeing entirely with censorship apologists JUST because i understand where the offence is coming from and have the same initial reaction–but did not act negatively upon said initial reaction–and am willing to try to explain where the offence came from and why it exists. that’s it.

    does that make it clear now? or am i still talking to a brick wall who doesn’t understand that people will react to media based on their personal experiences, even if they consciously try not to?

  • Go Playstation. Rip Nintendont by installing CFW on WiiU and 3DS for free games/import games. Or just go PC.

    The fact I can’t play a game I legally brought in another country pisses me off no matter what the reason is. F*** region-lock. CFW all the way.

  • >censored Fatal Frame and Xenoblade

    That really bummed the hell out of me.

  • Go D. Usopp

    I never accused you of supporting censorship I questioned why you were justifyingbthe views of people who do. Which you were

    Though your answer is fine, I never happened to see anyone asking “why” partly because I ignore everything the guy you were talkingvto says and partly because I thought the source of the misunderstanding and why people were bothered by it was painfully obvious

    But if someone actually did ask for that explanation then by all means. Might wanna chill on the accusations and assumptions that you keep complaining others are doing to you though

  • bateruchan

    so you didn’t even read the thread and instead attacked me on justifying the very real emotional reaction that people had? and fwiw, there is a difference between having a reaction emotionally, and acting on that reaction.

    uh, okay then. and you say i’m talking out of context…

  • Go D. Usopp

    I hardly think I “attacked” you but I suppose thats also down to interpretation

    And I suppose my comment was based on not seeing you mention being anti-censorship, if id seen that I would have read the rest

    I actually take a pretty similar stance on articles like this a lot and get called pro-censorship for it (often by the guy you were talking to, which is why I ignore him). My mistake. I was tired and lazy and prioritised using my knowledge of the subject over the context. This site must be corrupting me

  • bateruchan

    glad we’ve come to an understanding, mate.

  • Link_Xp4444

    Damn… Awesome! Incredible, simply incredible. It’s a real shame that Camilla can’t make that face during the Amie part of the game, because then you *know* something would be up. (Something would be up in more ways that one – oh that was terrible!) XD

  • Antoinant

    I love when women believe they’re more revelant than hobbies these days.

  • Anybody got any footage of the cut content?

  • Yamato

    I agree about the dialogue being changed is being no big deal but i’m really hoping the costume customization and features like that don’t get taken out.