Sex-Negative Beliefs Are Ruining Gaming, and Society at Large


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This is an editorial piece. The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of, and should not be attributed to, Niche Gamer as an organization.

Although it’s awfully trite of me to constantly bring up my age and wistfully recount those supposedly perfect and blessed days that made up the 1980s, I’m going to have to go back to them to properly explain the premise for this article. After all, the 1980s weren’t called “The ME decade” for nothing. It was an era of quickly advancing technology mixed with a faltering economy that saw only one way to fix itself: Ignore sadness and seek out pleasure.

For those of you not born in the 70s who never properly lived in the 1980s, let me describe exactly what you missed. It was in this decade that the Jimmy Carter-esque malaise of the past was wiped away with patriotism and a lust for self-satisfaction. It was this decade in which the constant fear of nuclear war and instability in the third world was made light of in popular movies and television shows. It was the decade in which it became acceptable to enjoy yourself and your life without needing to apologize for using too much gasoline or not giving money to hungry Ethiopian kids. You could live in excess and it was completely acceptable. Heck, it was that love of excess in the 80s that made the economy so strong by the mid 90s, which was just in time for the Clinton administration to claim responsibility for it.

The 80s were, in fact, merely a side effect of the self-flagellatory period of the 1970s. Sure, the 70s had Disco, swingers, and Studio 54…but politically it was a completely different reality. People were taught to fear war, fight injustice, and rally for change as if it was eternally 1969. It was this idea that got an underdog peanut farmer from Georgia elected for president. So naturally, when a man came along in 1980 who told people they didn’t have to constantly feel sorry for themselves and may instead revel in the joyous excesses that America is more than happy to provide her people with, folks rallied behind him.

What this created was a decade where movies about muscular men blowing up communists and unedited late night softcore porn were the norm. Hostesses on TV shows would dress like hookers and flashed their cleavage every five minutes while sexual innuendo was layered on so thick you could scrape it up with a shovel and use it to patch potholes. Troma films with full-on sex were put on the USA network every weekend and the show’s bumpers in-between breaks had images of Gilbert Gottfried under his bed’s covers with crumpled up tissues. No one cared, and no one protested. It was a beautiful time to be alive.

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So why do I bring all of this up? Well, here in the late days of 2015 as I write this editorial, we live in a time where the aforementioned attitudes and images are considered unhealthy and contribute to kids growing up to be violent, misogynistic rapists. We’re told by people who get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars through their patreon accounts (or private donations) to make videos that have the same production values of a 5th grade AV club’s project to avoid anything remotely sexual for fear that it will make us devalue women and forget that they are human beings. It will, according to them, cause the viewer of such puerile trash to see women as objects and lead to domestic violence and sexual assault.

They had their say, now it’s time for mine. You know what my take on this whole subject is?

Not being subjected to *enough* sexual freedom and exploration in your formative years is what turns you into a deviant, not the other way around. Before I delve into this further, I’d like to tell you a bit about myself. Or, perhaps more appropriately, I should tell you about my stepfather.

Having entered our family when I was six years old, he came in at a time when both me and my mother needed a man in our lives. He was a tough looking Vietnam veteran who had an Atari 2600 and a love of hunting rifles. You can imagine which one of those three things meant the most to me, with him giving me his Atari 2600 machine that year and teaching me how to play Frogger. It was the beginning of my geekhood, and also the start of me falling in love with the man who I never once called a “step” dad.

Unlike a lot of people now, my dad was a believer in the sanctity and purity of the body. Make jokes if you want, but he didn’t hesitate giving me “the talk” at a very early age. He would always get angry when people preached about the “Evils” of nudity or the depravity of sex. I cannot tell you how many times he said, quote, “The world would be better if nobody wore clothes.” Feel free to crack jokes about it, so long as you stop to think about it and realize how close to the truth that statement is.

Not only that, but he regularly rented extremely “risque” movies for us at the video store that nowadays would be locked behind an age gate. My mother, who was considerably more prudish, wouldn’t watch them, but me and my father would frequently rent Troma flicks and even had a series of in-jokes based upon them that we still bring up to this day. Such as my dad seeing old women in the street as we drive by and him remarking that “Old ladies are worth 3 points”, referencing a scene in the first Toxic Avenger film where a group of kids would run over pedestrians and kill them to gain points in a sick game.

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Yes, he’s weird. Now you know where I get it from.

So what am I getting at with this? My father never tried to guard me from sex or nudity. I was only nine years old when I saw the scene in Toxic Avenger where a woman is riding a guy cowgirl style on a gym bench with her giant breasts flopping up and down. Nine years old. Such a tender age…and yet, well, what bad came of it? Anything? Only that my wife hates it because I prefer her being on top.

It’s not just that either. Like every other boy (and a good amount of girls I imagine), I got into my dad’s dirty magazines and sneaked a peak or three into them while no one was home. Of course, he never knew that. Or, perhaps he did and figured it wasn’t that big of a deal. I suppose I’ll never know.

Sure, we cracked jokes about a lot of the nude scenes in the cheesy B-movies we rented and my mom thought it was embarrassing that we watched them, but we didn’t care. We knew better. To us, it was natural. My father taught me to not just appreciate women, but to enjoy the gifts god gave us. One of those gifts being the beauty of the female form.

Now, according to Jon McIntosh, Anita Sarkeesian, Randi Harper, Brianna Wu and all of their ilk, I should be the world’s most prolific rapist and a misogynist showing an unparalleled level of hatred towards women. I should be the new Ted Bundy, abusing college coeds and leaving them to rot in the trunk of my car as I troll Craigslist for new victims. To hear them talk, I shouldn’t have even made it to 40 years old because I am unable to adjust to civilized society as I am no doubt a hopelessly broken human being that is prone to violence and is fond of sexually assaulting every woman I see.

Feel free to ask my wife, mother, female co-workers and female friends about that and you’ll see that couldn’t possibly be any farther from the truth. In actuality, until the ne’er-do-wells redefined the word into something twisted, I actually called myself a feminist. I loved TV shows that had strong women in them (Buffy, the 1980s Wonder Woman, Xena) and can proudly attest to never having downloaded any nude mods for Tomb Raider because Lara Croft means too much to me. Yes, seriously.

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However, you wouldn’t think so if you listen to so-called “Anti-GamerGate” and its woefully under-educated “leaders.”

Now I know what my detractors are saying right now. “That’s you Carl, you aren’t the only person in the world…most people are harmed by early exposure to sex and sexuality…it causes deviancy and teaches young boys how to objectify women.” Fair enough, I understand that I am, after all, just one example in a world of billions…so how about I show you an example where avoiding sex and sexuality has damaged someone? What if I could prove to you that cloistering someone away from the supposed horrors of bikinis and boob-jiggling (Or speedos and banana dangling) have ruined a person?

One such example that comes to mind are two sisters who used to be my neighbors when I was young. From age 4 to 8, we played together just as normal kids always do. These two girls, along with all the other kids in the neighborhood, would come out every morning and afternoon to join the street kids in games of kickball and tag. Simple, fun, and harmless activities that had no serious risks other than someone scraping a knee or banging their head.

Unfortunately, by the age of 9, the neighbors would no longer let their two girls out to play. Me and the other kids on the block were mystified as to why. All we saw of them were their crying faces pressed against the living room windows as they watched us play kickball without them.

About 20 years later, I met one of the two sisters in a local department store. Though we didn’t say much, I was still intrigued enough to continue thinking about it several weeks later. Seeking answers, I brought the subject up with my mother, who was the biggest busy body in the entire town. Apparently, the neighbors – who were devout Catholics – didn’t want their daughters playing with men for fear they would feel attraction towards someone and (get ready for this one) have sex with them.

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The really sad part? Between the two of them, they have five out-of-wedlock children and one of them is now living on the streets. Meanwhile, perverted little me didn’t even begin dating until a year after high school and had enough common sense to know how to use prophylactics once I did. Though it was sad hearing about the two neighbor girls I fondly remembered playing with, it’s a perfect example of what happens when sanctimonious puritans force their unrealistic standards and disciplines on children who desperately need to be educated and exposed to the mysteries of sex before they try to find out on their own.

So what does this have to do with games? Good question. The truth is, nothing. Unfortunately, certain individuals have seen to it that gaming is forever linked to the aforementioned brand of puritanism.

The example I gave of the two devout religious sisters is very similar to what you’re seeing now in the gaming community. You have hipsters, who ironically are by-and-large atheists, telling people that sexual exposure is wrong and that sexuality is the biggest corrupter of young minds since the devil invented Dungeons & Dragons. To them, a video game with bikini-clad women in it is as dangerous as a loaded gun.

This acts as a nice segue into a theory the great singer Ted Nugent once shared with the world. Ted “Cat Scratch Fever” Nugent is a very big proponent of the second amendment and believes in teaching kids how to use and respect firearms at a very young age. His theory, which I believe he has proven to be correct, is that if you expose children to firearms at a young age and teach them how to properly use them, the world would be a considerably safer place.

Ted’s idea is that giving children access to guns at an early age effectively “de-mystifies” them, and prevents them from becoming obsessed with them later in life when curiosity will, undoubtedly, drive them to it.

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Admittedly, it does make sense. When kids are denied something, when they are told something is off-limits and forbidden, do they obey their peers and stay away from the unauthorized item? No, they seek it out and experiment with it. This is doubly worse when they tinker with something they were never exposed to or taught to fear.

You know, like sex.

There’s an argument I’m sure some will make that says I’m grasping at straws and that all I’m proving is that sexual content is fine so long as a parent is there to explain it. They would say to me, “Well, if the parent isn’t there, then they’ll be just as corrupted as anyone else.”

My point is that whether you have a guide to explain it to you or not, sex and sexuality are crucial aspects of humanity and when ignored, their avoidance causes social problems. To deny ourselves that most important part of our being, that most beautiful part of life, is to basically sentence someone to prison. Sex is why we are all here, and it’s why we all continue to exist. Sex is why we work, why we fight, and why we struggle through each of our days. Whether it’s for a real-life woman or a 2D illustration in an anime, love and sex keeps you wanting to live life…so how is that a bad thing? Why is it horrible for someone to want to seek it out and enjoy exposure to gorgeous images of the opposite sex? Even if they are, as I was, only a kid?

Ok, fine, I’m a deviant for allowing kids to be curious…But what about the person who is already a young adult? Why can’t they partake in sexual content if they are already both accustomed to it and appreciative of it? What’s wrong with the 20-whatever year old guy playing Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 who is getting aroused by Hitomi in a string bikini? What’s wrong if he, or *she*, begins pleasuring themselves to such an image? What damage does it do? How is it any worse than using your imagination to beat off? How is it more offensive to you than the same person pleasuring themselves to a 2D image of a porn star? Are you living in some strange alternate universe where there exists a single person who, by the age of 16, hasn’t masturbated yet? Maybe you should talk to Joycelyn Elders.

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The problem here is that the new puritans are those on the far left. When I was a kid, it was far right simpletons like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell who were whining that we were all too comfortable with nudity and sex. Now, thirty years later, it’s the far left that is promoting puritanism. This “Sex negative” culture is damaging to society in the way that it promotes the idea that sex is evil and something to be feared. It will, in time, begin contributing to the younger generation’s fear of sex and will create a situation where children will grow up with unhealthy attitudes about sex and sexuality. Like the two sisters I mentioned before, they will be woefully ill-equipped to deal with the responsibility of working genitals once they discover what they can do.

“But Carl”, they say, “Can’t you people go find porn online? Why do you need a bad volleyball game to crank one out?”

Partly due to the fact that we aren’t defending Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 because we need it for spank material, though mostly because we are sick of seeing people attack a game simply because its images are considered “too risque” for the public or that it “embarrasses” the hobby. Who made you the gatekeeper of what is right and what is wrong for the six billion people who live on Earth? Also, if we all cave in and agree that this one game should be tossed due to breast jiggling, then where do we begin drawing the line? Do we eventually create a video game equivalent to the 1950’s “Comics Code” where a stamp of moral quality is placed on something to guarantee that it doesn’t offend anyone?

They cry that video gaming needs to “grow up”, yet they themselves are claiming to being triggered by digital breasts. To be honest, I fail to see any fun in a gaming industry that is nothing but morally upright social justice stories of lesbians beating oppression or black folk having brave adventures with their recently awarded reparations money. If I want to be educated about social problems and learn about real-world issues I can turn on any of the 500 news channels I get and listen to them drone on and one about it 24-7. I play games to escape the real world, not be drawn back into it. The only people who play it for educational reasons are either non-gamers or toddlers.

For me, the whole idea of #GamerGate has never been about ethics. I care about it, but it’s not very high on my list of things I feel are threatening the continued stability of the human race. For me, it’s about fighting “sex negative” culture and letting folks know it’s okay to be aroused and have a fulfilling fantasy life. It’s about letting people know you can get a boner from the sorceress in Dragon’s Crown and there’s nothing wrong with it. You’re human. You’re normal. You’re breathing.

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I do pity the folks we fight, however. To know they are sitting there playing with themselves and pretending they don’t by decrying sex and sexuality at every opportunity makes me feel sorry for them. They deny themselves one of the greatest thrills we are given as members of the human race. Whether it’s with another person or with yourself, orgasms are beautiful things. The human body is a beautiful thing too. Celebrating it, admiring it, and being aroused by it is as normal as drinking water or breathing air. It’s what keeps us alive and prospering. It’s what keeps us happy.

The truth is, every single person who reads this editorial has, at one time or another, pleasured themselves behind the computer they are typing at right now. Even those who will ridicule me, and *especially* those who identify as sex-negative SJWs. The only difference between them and a normal person is they don’t have the courage to admit they are doing it.

Sexual content doesn’t make you a rapist, just as violent content doesn’t make you a murderer. In fact, much like violent content can be a way to release tension, sexual content can be a method in which people live out a fantasy they otherwise wouldn’t want to in real life. It’s called escapism, and more people need to understand that the only thing keeping society held together is that we can act on some of our lesser wanted impulses by way of games and imagination.

Because…newsflash folks: We all have those same impulses. The ones who deny it and try to force a puritanical lifestyle on others are the ones you should REALLY be worried about.

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My message to those people is summed up best by the great gay icon George Michael who once said, and I quote:

“Sex is natural, sex is good, not everybody does it, but everybody should.”

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Carl Batchelor

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Carl is both a JRPG fan and a CRPG'er who also loves European PC games. As a gamer with over 30 years of experience, he bravely balances married life with his hobby.

  • Hey Arnold

    Here, here. This needs to be spread far and wide.

  • Will3316

    Let’s give this man a round of applause.

  • Mohammad Abu Ata

    That was beautiful, weird but beautiful.

  • LazyGamer

    Its fucking stupid. We can have endless violence in videogames and no one cares but make a game with sexy desirable women in it and SJW’s and other groups go nuts.

    And I’m shamed into thinking that i’m a sexist for liking these games?

  • Anthony Felder

    To this day when I’m in the car I still assign points to pedestrians. Multiple hits is a score multiplier. Children are worth more as they’re smaller targets.
    Have I ever actually hit anyone? No. It’s just an amusing way to look at things. I’m not sick. >__>

  • Dgnfly

    The world is slowely going insane with Political correctness. cause we can’t even face the real problems in our reality that we need to fight them in Vitrual reality.

    The future used to only look bleak in the actual world and now we can’t even look forward to anything in gaming world anymore its like certain ppl that are miserable about their lives wanna drag the rest of us with them with that i mean the whining ”SJW” and ”Feminist”

  • Immahnoob

    “Ok, fine, I’m a deviant for allowing kids to be curious…”

    No, you’re not dude, you have the right idea. People are too retarded to understand that even children are not gullible and stupid.

    These cases of “broken people because of the media” are so rare and extreme cases that they shouldn’t matter when thinking about “what to show” in the media.

    This piece was great. You’re completely right.

    I was taught about human anatomy when I was 5, I saw porn since I was 6. I started masturbation slightly later, after the age of 7.

    I had my first sexual experience when I was seven and it was with a girl that was 6. Funnily enough, I was dragged in the whole ordeal by her. I didn’t want to do anything odd just yet and I knew what was happening there and why, but she was curious when I showed her my brother’s pornography on his computer (we were a rich family, still are, we had computers) and wanted to act out on a scene of cunnilingus even if she didn’t know about it (if I remember well, it was either a scene of a blowjob or cunnilingus, a really pixelated one).

    So we did… We both grew up to be normal in the end. This didn’t hinder our growth. It’s just that now I have a blowjob fetish, I don’t know about her.

    But to tell you what this story means, it’s about how information deterred me from wanting to do this. Ignorance instead, drove her curiosity, so we did something we did regret later, since she had a big mouth, no pun intended, our neighborhood knew about it, and I never got to play with her again.

    After that, I’ve found out porn later in the years (how to get it, to be specific), and I’m still a fine young lad.

    I didn’t rape anyone yet, I don’t hate women. I do hate stupid people though.

  • Patrick Toworfe

    Fantastic article. Absolutely said everything I’ve always thought about the anti-sexuality crusade against games. All the excuses, rhetoric, and emotional based reasons people use against digital boobs are all the same thing repeated ad naseum. We’re in a time where people are slowly being denied fanservice in games, where female characters are being lightly censored, when half the time they’re aren’t even ‘sexualized’ per se. To most people, a character with large breasts is now considered ‘sexualized’ even if other accepts of their personality aren’t sex based.

    Quite frankly, I’m sick of it. NOBODY is saying everyone has to ‘accept’ sexiness in games, just leave it alone for the people who want to enjoy it. Appreciating a woman’s, or a man’, sexual attractiveness doesn’t mean it’s the ONLY thing we like about them, or that it’s the most important thing. And it mortifies most guys to be accused that we’re ‘sexist’ for liking sexy women, when it was always from a place of love and admiration, not ‘misogyny’.

    The gender narrative right now is so screwed, and it’s backed up by the swarms of ‘normies’ who nod their head along to the narrative by the media critics, because they too were brought up to see sexuality as bad, as worse than violence. It’s stupid, and I’m glad other people notice that. Great article, once again.

  • I think the “sex negative” views in videogames are because there’s not an equal amount of service for heterosexual women. Like, It’s easy to say the evil SJW are against tits when 80% of games cater to het men, so of course they’re going to point that out. I know I would complain if I was a girl with so few options other than the otome niche, which gets like 2-3 localisations at most every year while Neptunia gets like a million per month.

    tl;dr there should be more sexy games for het women (and don’t bother to reply with the b-but Kratos is shirtless!!! nonsense, no girl thinks Kratos is sexy unless she’s into bara).

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  • Immahnoob

    “For me, the whole idea of #GamerGate has never been about ethics. I care about it, but it’s not very high on my list of things I feel are threatening the continued stability of the human race. For me, it’s about fighting “sex negative” culture and letting folks know it’s okay to be aroused and have a fulfilling fantasy life. It’s about letting people know you can get a boner from the sorceress in Dragon’s Crown and there’s nothing wrong with it. You’re human. You’re normal. You’re breathing.”

    For me Gamergate wasn’t about ethics at all. I couldn’t care less about a media that I never listened to anyway. The truth is, I’m into this all for myself. In the end, this will benefit many others.

    The same like you, I also believe that we should fight against images of sex negativity, but besides that, I want freedom of expression to evolve.

    People are afraid of having and showing their new ideas. For example, Tranny Gladiator looks like utter shit, yet I want to play it… Why, you ask? I have nothing for trannies, that’s for sure, I don’t care.

    But it has such an odd artstyle, it’s so odd in itself, it’s something new, it’s trying to be at least. I want to see what this author sees. When I look at media, I don’t only do that for the purpose of “having fun”. I look to see what the intent of the creator was, what messages he’s trying to show me, and what messages are actually being shown.

    I can see purpose in different artistic views, and my personal enjoyment has nothing to do with it. I could simply not like a twist that was really well done, well foreshadowed, etc, but it does not change that it was not an asspull, but a really well made plot twist.

    I’m against morality that is dogmatic or based on own feelings. My morality is based on “hurt”. We know for a fact video games, of any kind, do not, and I repeat, do not make people misogynists, rapists, sexists, murderers, terrorists or whatever.

    So why deny their existence? Why deny some ideas because you don’t personally like them? It makes no sense, that is why the moralities I have talked about above shouldn’t be listened to.

    They should be ignored.

  • BurgerUnit

    Well done sir.

    Apparently the term “live and let live” no longer exists in this day and age.

    I don’t care what you do in your private time as long as you’re not hurting anyone else, just be a good person at the end of the day.

  • sanic

    Can I start a slow clap? Fuck it I’m doing it

    *slow clap*
    *unzips dick*

  • Immahnoob

    Pfffttt, please, this is the most retarded excuse to date.

    There’s a ton of fanservice directed at females.

  • Patrick Toworfe

    Yes, but the issue is that the complaints against the sexiness in games isn’t directed at getting more fanservice for the others, nor is it even about getting more women into games. Waving around the words misogyny/sexism at everything and demonizing the fans of such things cannot possibly be towards the goal of getting fairness for fanservice. I get what you’re saying, but the people who advocate for what you’re talking about are in the minority compared to the hundreds of loud voices bemoaning sexiness itself. Because really, even now with more modest representation of women in games, more women in action games, people STILL moaned about Quiet and Bayonetta, and DOA of course. So really, the epicenter of the problem is the perpetually offended.

  • Japan is literally the only place with lots of fanservice for women, but that’s non existant this side of the ocean, sadly.

  • Mea K

    Excellent editorial!

    I largely blame social media for what’s happening these days. It’s not that these sex negative attitudes on the left are new or that they’re a more powerful force than the puritanical right was in the past, it’s that social media allowed these isolated cases to find each other and band together, making them look more relevant than they really are and spreading their ideology through group pressure.

    In the past content creators would read the complaints from these people in articles or on forums and laugh at them. Now the complaints arrive directly in their inbox, backed by a large number of brigaded upvotes and possibly threats. The wall between creator and consumer has been demolished in the name of fan interaction, and this is the other side of that coin.

    I’m not sure where I’m going with this. I have no answers (okay, I have one: kill Facebook and Twitter). Just thoughts.

  • Yeah I totally get this. Most PC people focus more on pointing fingers instead of supportin games they consider progressive. Just look at Read Only Memories, which didn’t even had a single news report on Polygon and that one is super LGBT friendly.

    I say there should be more diverse games, not less games for shitlords, that would pretty much fix everything.

  • Hey Arnold

    That’s not the reason for this sex negative view at all.

  • Immahnoob

    Are you male? Because that might be the reason for why you think that.

    You probably don’t understand why you see females as attractive yourself.

    And if you are female, you’re most likely sexually impaired.

  • Cael

    That was a wonderful read.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    I never liked this argument for one specific reason. Like it or not the majority of games are purchased by males. The market responds to their most profitable demographic which is males. If they want more female fanservice games they should make their own market for it.

    To me this is like complaining that romance novels are sexist because they don’t pander to men more often. When females are their primary consumer base.

  • But it’s thre true, only Japan caters to heterosexual females. Other than the EVN scene, can you point me towards an American or European game where you are a woman and date cute guys?

  • Patrick Toworfe

    For the most part yes. The tricky part is removing the power and stranglehold the SJWs have on the content creators. There should indeed be more content for everyone’s tastes, and people who wanna complain about stuff needn’t be taken so seriously. More diverse games should be promoted and appreciated, and games which appeal to niches shouldn’t be demonized. The way we coexist in gaming is by acknowleding what others enjoy and going our own way, not necessarily by agreeing/accepting it.

  • That’s the market this side of the ocean. Japan’s heterosexual female demographic is on the rise as a matter of fact, and a lot of companies are focusing on that one as of late, such as New Japan Pro Wrestling whose attendance numbers grew a HUGE number after they started pushing more handsome wrestlers and getting them into fashion magazines and stuff. Hell, look at Uta no Prince Sama! that shit is pulling numbers even bigger than [email protected]

  • Nin

    If only America could be like Japan and create more otome and BL games.

    To be honest though, there is plenty of fan service for women in other mediums. Superhero movies, romantic novels, boy bands, Korean Dramas, and probably a lot of stuff I don’t know because I’m not female.

    Women have to convince video game companies that enough women are playing games other than Candy Crush that investing in fan service games aimed for women is worth the risk. While there are a sizeable amount of women who play such games, they have to compete with feminists who decry against sexuality of any kind.

  • Immahnoob

    Can you point me out to an American or European game where you are a man and date cute girls?

    Because there aren’t many date sims currently in existence which were made in Europe or America.

    Besides, in games where you can have relationships, don’t forget that there are usually 2 sides to it, and you’re minimizing their point of view considerably thinking that if you have a male avatar, they wouldn’t enjoy seeing this male in a relationship or self-insert themselves in the character they are romancing.

    You have a narrow view of sexuality if you think that.

    Really narrow.

  • huh, you have a point, but that only tells me the western videogame industry is fucking shit, because Japan has a lot for everyone.

  • Dewey Defeats Truman

    I will never understand this desire people have with trying to force video games as a medium to “mature.”

    It’s not like film or books or TV are mature. For every Citizen Kane you have like fifty Adam Sandler “comedies.”

  • Patrick Toworfe

    It is getting better though. A lot of weird indie game seem to appeal to the slash fanfic that girls are into. The thing is that we need to quell the stigmatism against male sexual interests before female sexual interests get accepted as well. Otherwise it’s hypocrisy and it’ll make everyone look stupid. If the west starts to develop more ‘female directed’ content based on fanservice, as it were, then hopefully it’ll be in a time where male directed fanservice isn’t on the chopping block

  • Narmy

    Romance novels are a good example to use as comparison. It’s never once crossed my mind that romance novels should change just because they aren’t aimed at men. And why should they? They found their niche, and that’s who they pander towards.

    The difference with fanservice games is that people who are not part of the target demographic, who don’t buy these kinds of games, are telling companies what is and isn’t acceptable. Instead of trying to change something that has it’s own market, they should be supporting a new market for the kinds of games they want.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    You mean a market with Otome games, Yaoi, Shouta, bara bara, boys love, Josei comics, tasteful yuri, shoujo comics, and bishounens all catered towards women.

  • I love this article so much. Especially these two paragraphs:

    1) “Partly due to the fact that we aren’t defending Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 because we need it for spank material, though mostly because we are sick of seeing people attack a game simply because its images are considered “too risque” for the public or that it “embarrasses” the hobby. Who made you the gatekeeper of what is right and what is wrong for the six billion people who live on Earth? Also, if we all cave in and agree that this one game should be tossed due to breast jiggling, then where do we begin drawing the line? Do we eventually create a video game equivalent to the 1950’s “Comics Code” where a stamp of moral quality is placed on something to guarantee that it doesn’t offend anyone?

    2) They cry that video gaming needs to “grow up”, yet they themselves are claiming to being triggered by digital breasts. To be honest, I fail to see any fun in a gaming industry that is nothing but morally upright social justice stories of lesbians beating oppression or black folk having brave adventures with their recently awarded reparations money. If I want to be educated about social problems and learn about real-world issues I can turn on any of the 500 news channels I get and listen to them drone on and one about it 24-7. I play games to escape the real world, not be drawn back into it. The only people who play it for educational reasons are either non-gamers or toddlers.”

    Only I should get to decide what is right for me. Not society. Just because you or someone doesn’t like something, don’t ruin it for me or tell me I’m wrong because I like it. How about you just not involve yourself in anything that has to do with what you don’t like or find as unacceptable, and then you won’t have to deal with it or be offended at all.

  • Immahnoob

    I won’t disagree with that because it is true. It’s not only because if Europe/America would have made these, they wouldn’t have sold much (e.g. Leisure Suit Larry was never a hit, although it was more of a parody, it was still “sexy” to a point), they would be criticized a lot.

    To add to this, when you look at a woman, you see:

    Not necessarily in this order:

    Face: shape, eyes, lips, hair, ears, etc.
    Body: Ass, breasts, thighs, body shape, hands, arms, etc.

    For women it’s the same shit.

    Only that their standards differentiate. They look at muscle, height (we too, but slightly different), size in general, etc.

    And both sexes also take into consideration who and what you are. Personality also makes people more attractive or less, studies show that.

    Besides, how many times have you ignored or haven’t given much thought to that shirtless guy in that game of yours? Or those showing muscle? The big guys? etc?

    That’s probably because you’re male.

  • Riagan

    Nothing I say here will do justice to what I just read. Thank you SO very much for writing this.

  • StrongStyleFiction

    Keep in mind, the people who keep saying games should mature are the ones who describe everything they don’t like as “gross” and have an obsession with unfunny butt jokes.

  • Pierre Adriaan Du Plessis

    Actually. Somebody did this study to determine what sexualization means for somebody that is attracted to the typical male.

    It turns out that people who find men attractive, are aroused by several common traits in games including a demonstrated physique, but also things like Skill, determination, intelligence and even a disinterest in sex.
    It turns out that characters like Gordon Freeman, Nathan Drake and Dante are all prime examples of male sexualization…

    Some SJW’s would say “But that just proves that sexualization hurts everybody” and I would say No, they got it wrong. Sexualization is everywhere and it is natural and it doesn’t hurt anybody. It’s just human nature.

  • That’s… exactly what I’m saying?

  • Of course, but I’m talking of gross dudes like the Gears of War bros or Kratos who often show up in the “male object” stuff.

    Dante is fucking sexy.

  • Eh, I don’t necessarily disagree with you but I feel if I speak further you’ll just try to have the last word in the conversation to “win” the argument, so I’ll stop here before we go on circles.

  • Yup, the EVN scene is mostly composed of women who are taking the step of making games for them, which is the greatest thing ever.

  • Immahnoob

    Well, I have something called scientific data.

    So, whatever you think, doesn’t really matter. ;)

  • See what I mean? you could have left things as they were but you chose to look for a further answer.

  • StrongStyleFiction

    As far as the male half of the neo-Victorians is concerned, it seems they have a fear of women. Not females, but women. Make a video game where a girl looks like Ellen Page with the mind of sixteen year old who learns to be strong and brave and they’ll praise it until Kingdom Come. Give them a game with a fully developed woman, both physically and mentally, who is already self confident, comfortable with her sexuality and assertive and they start screaming “male gaze” and “fighting fuck toy.”

  • Immahnoob

    Of course, I mean, you seem to really want to have the last word. So I’ll take that away from you too.

    http://i.imgur.com/hkMVP0G.gif

  • go ahead, all yours

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Your original assertion was that women aren’t being pandered to enough. I pointed out that they are in different mediums. And that it’s no different in Japan. If women want more smut they should demand it. Cause the market is large enough to accommodate them and the casual market will speak for me on this when it comes to female tastes. I don’t like people forcing me to include their tastes just cause.

  • deadeye

    For me gamergate was entirely about ethics, which is why I’ve completely abandoned it because I grew tired of being mocked by gamergate for it. It started as wanting to confront corruption, and encouraging transparency in games media, but it’s been spinning it’s wheels for months, content to just bitch about the SJW boogeyman, while never trying to find any kind of solutions. It’s whole problem was it never solidified into anything so you can have people say “gamergate is ____” and no one can prove them wrong. That’s how it ended up where it is now. It had absolutely nothing to do with SJWs, sex negativity, or anything remotely close to that, but enough people jumped on board that it was twisted into that. And its why gg got the perception it did as a hate group because there were people using the gg name to dox people, harass people, etc. If gg actually turned into a solidified entity with a concise purpose and not a hashtag anyone can use, gg could have publicly denounced those people. You can say some of the doxxing and harassment are false flags, but there’s no way of proving it. Yes, agg did the same thing. Both groups are full of idiots.

    Like something I suggested is why can’t developers have censored versions and uncensored versions of games? This way everyone gets what they want, but of course the idea gets no traction at all because ultimately both gg and agg just want to throw shit at each other.

    Well, there’s my gg rant. Good article though. I disagree with some things, but I do agree that the extreme left needs to chill out a bit. Really, people just have to stop forcing other people to live how they think they should live. If someone wants to be puritanical, go ahead. Just don’t try to force everyone to be the same way.

    However, I’d also like to say that fanservice shouldn’t be obligatory. If a developer doesn’t want to have fanservice, that’s their decision. And I think a developer has the right to say something is a bit too much and tone things down.

  • Immahnoob

    Of course, did you even question that?

  • Dgnfly

    O ya folks found another site that actually adresses the censorship issue the website, one angry gamer has a lot on censorship.

  • buddyluv324

    Believe it or not I do hear that some women ( and even other men) are attracted to characters of Gears of War and Kratos for those similar traits that was just mentioned.

  • That’s literally not what I said but OK.

  • There’s a niche for muscular guys, just like there’s a niche for feets and armpits. Not denying there’s appeal in there.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Whatever you say.

  • Caim

    Japan gets a lot of flack for similar reasons it seems, they more or less have a more open mind about kids wanting to experiment and their games are far more open minded about sex of any kind yet are a squeamish about violence oddly enough, mark my words if the U.S. industry caves they will go after Japan, I think they have always wanted japan to begin with I think

  • Dom The Elegy

    I get constantly attacked and ridiculed for defending freedom speech/ art. People have called me a men’s right activist, fedora wearing cry-baby for claiming that rape doesn’t only affect women and thus shouldn’t be treated like it was. I was called a prude for saying that 50 Shades of Grey is awfully written drivel which is about as sexy as running in on your grandparents banging. I was called a sexist, women-objectifying dick for saying that stuff like DoAX has a market and shouldn’t be censored or banned. This whole narrative doesn’t even make sense within itself.
    But don’t dare pointing that out, because that’d be viewed as condescending man-splaining.

  • PimpnRayman

    The whole ethics debate in gamergate never seemed like the problem. Honestly gamergate was years and years of boiling over attitudes that were sexist all around. Women were being treated like crap by people online and many guys were getting treated and passive agressively insulted for not living up to social standards. I find it hilarious because the same people that decry toxic masculinity will then insult men for not dating or have good social graces with women. The same people cry for people to not be so sensitive now we got people calling SJW conspiracy because the diverse cast in Indivisible like damnit the one game that does not suck Tolkein nuts is a fresh air and not a conspiracy.

    Honestly if I am turned on my cheese factor in games or media let me. It just make me and probably some folks just retract more not taking anymore sides cause everyone is a different brand of assclown.

    Their has been a seething self hate and shade that has been thrown for years and gamergate just blew the lid off after all that pressure builded up. I guess things are in a repreive period but then thing will probably go back to being the same.

  • Go D. Usopp

    I think you’re reaching a LOT when you talk about how it’s the “most important part of our being” (unless you’re referring to the innate need for species to proliferate in which case yes), and a lot of this just comes across as a black and white opposite to the “enemy” with no nuance, but I agree with the overall sentiment

    Hell, I was allowed to play, watch and read whatever I wanted from a very young age and I honestly have no interest in sex at all so clearly it didn’t do a very good job of corrupting me so like I said, I agree, I just think you’re stretching for dramatic effect at a lot of points

  • Joel Leonheart

    Beautifully written nice :)

  • Fantastic read, really hits the nail on the head.

  • Shippoyasha

    I really miss the ‘me decade’ compared to the modern ‘you cannot offend me’ decade.

    Sadly, this is going to be an ideological battle the more people are brainwashed on a sex negative fearmongering.

    Also, I feel it goes beyond anecdotes. If you are exposed to sexual imagery, you can process it better overall. Stifling urges of the biological human body go be interested in sex really cannot be healthy. Both to the body and the mind.

  • Leandro Teixeira

    This is the best article I have read in a long time, and if anyone wants to see what would a world ruled by SJWs and puritans look like go watch Shimoneta to Iu Gainen ga Sonzai Shinai Taikutsu na Sekai. The world of Shimoneta is basically how the world will be in 30 years or so if this shit continues

  • Shippoyasha

    Social media gravitate the crazies, the grouches, the politically insane and pure bullies together, empowering them instead of them having to deal with the real world. It is an interesting and disturbing phenomena. It is like watching an insane asylum.

  • Shippoyasha

    I don’t feel GG has really went after anyone. Just reacted to the general insanity of social demagoguery getying into gaming. Sadly, ethics is being mixed with the ideological war that is visiting all of modern society. As much as you want to segment ethics only, it is impossible to do because the SJW attacks on broader society is so far reaching and multi-pronged now. I don’t think one needs to identify as GG to be against SJWs and other types of demagogues.

    In the 80s, British had to contend with the Loony Left. In the 90s, America dealt with soccer moms and religious demagogues. Modern SJWs are another batch of societal bullies who wish to impose their extreme world views. And many times that involves games/gaming journalism too.

    GG is just but a branch in the tree of madness we are dealing with. It is affecting government and academia too. Not just media.

  • Nagato

    “That’s you Carl, you aren’t the only person in the world…most people are harmed by early exposure to sex and sexuality…it causes deviancy and teaches young boys how to objectify women.”

    Even if true, I fail to see what’s wrong with objectifying women.

  • Shippoyasha

    I feel gaming is already mature. Games are both free to be schlocky fun AND serious stories. Nothing is stopping people. Yet demagogues think they hold the gate to that happening.

  • Immahnoob

    You’re probably that dude that never went back on 4chan/KiA or whatever hub you used because you were proven wrong so many damn times.

    Your whole shtick is “They didn’t focus on what I think was the problem and they didn’t solve issues the way I wanted them to do it.”.

    It’s too bad the whole idea that aGG had free reign over what Gamergate is, is pretty stupid. Since there’s actual proof of them being wrong. Tweets have been verified and only a really small % could be deemed the way aGG deems them.

    They would have slandered and twisted the truth with or without it being a hashtag.

    “Like something I suggested is why can’t developers have censored versions and uncensored versions of games? This way everyone gets what they want, but of course the idea gets no traction at all because ultimately both gg and agg just want to throw shit at each other.”

    No, people ignored your idea because it’s stupid. It costs money and time to make two viable versions.

    If you think you can just slap some shit on top of shit people don’t like and expect it to be enough or acceptable, you’re gonna have a bad time.

    “However, I’d also like to say that fanservice shouldn’t be obligatory. If a developer doesn’t want to have fanservice, that’s their decision. And I think a developer has the right to say something is a bit too much and tone things down.”

    I’m sure this is a message to the current on-going discussions, am I right?

    If I am right, you’re wrong in thinking that people aren’t letting devs do what they want, it’s just that we don’t want them to do things out of fear, AKA self-censorship.

    It’s not their idea anymore if they do it because they’re forced to do so.

    Besides that:

    “Yes, agg did the same thing. Both groups are full of idiots.”

    http://40.media.tumblr.com/fef0656631ce51b803050a96b6f347b7/tumblr_nuk93nfYHI1u0r0dgo1_500.jpg

    You’re a small minority that thinks they know better.

  • Immahnoob

    We’ll never see the day when people will start thinking with their brains and not with their ass.

    I’ll teach my children the same way my mother taught me. These subjects won’t be alien to them because they’re “pure and innocent”.

  • Hey Arnold

    Yup, it’s always been about making gaming into some political machine to spew their message.

  • blackice85

    Yep, even if I find characters sexually appealing, I’m not literally masturbating to them, it’s mild arousal at most usually. I’m still focusing on the game and it’s aesthetics in general, which I do like to look appealing.

  • Nani Sore

    There is nothing sexier than guy who can rip out my spine with one hand and strangle a hydra with the other.

  • blackice85

    Great editorial, I agree completely.

    I just keep coming back to how baffling it is that fantasies are considered bad now, like what the hell? What happened to all that ‘use your imagination’ stuff they pushed on me as a kid?

  • Stilzkin

    Oh man, I absolutely hate how people assume children are stupid

  • blackice85

    Whenever I see people complain about this kind of stuff, I can only assume that they don’t have any other pressing problems in their lives. Fantasies are supposed to be the ultimate freedom where anything goes.

  • Burst Limit

    Get this man a beer or a beverage of his choosing great read bruh.

  • Mr0303

    In the bad ending of Shimoneta, Okuma and Kajo are reeducated and they turn into Josh McIntosh and Anita.

  • Stilzkin

    There are a lot of sexy dudes, you just have to look.

    Also, the thing about Kratos.. You’re basically saying it doesn’t count because someone might not like it?

  • Stilzkin

    U wot, being into muscles is in no way niche. Not even close

  • E M P

    Great article! I would have worded some things differently, but the message communicated is a great one, and it’s communicated clearly. For instance associating Gamergate with the protection of the stability of the human race is just a bit overboard imo, but hey if that’s how you really feel then you do you booboo.

    I totally understand the depravity leads to strong urging curiosity argument too. I’ve experienced that very thing with alcohol. Granted I’m still young and smart and was able to satisfy my curiosity without abusing it, but it just as likely could have gone the opposite direction, or gotten myself or my parents in a lot of trouble (I was not a legal adult at the time). My aunt allowed my cousin 1 beer during special, supervised occasions only after he turned 16. I really like that idea, it teaches control and satisfies curiosity all under parental supervision.

    I was actually pretty sheltered when it came to sex as well. Fortunately my grandfather whom I visited on the weekends collected Maxim magazines, which when lined up in order next to eachother created a huge picture of a pretty girl in lingerie (I’m fairly sure this is how I developed my thigh highs & heels fetish, thanks gramps :s). He had a whole fullsized bookshelf of these things. Thin little magazines…. there was literally hundreds! And the best part: the shelf was in the room I slept in! Imagine being an 8 year old boy with access to the holy grail of maxim magazines every weekend. If it weren’t for that I’d still be clueless.

    I love the female form. On very rare occasions I also love the male form.
    I love ero-manga. I love hentai art. I play copious nukige VNs. I’m “one of those guys” that dreads the fact that I will probably never be able to hold my waifu. I wish I could buy an onahole and be 100% sure I could get away with it without someone in my household snooping in my delivery or room and stumbling upon it (Unfortunately I’m not quite as adept at tactical espionage action as Snake is) I am very much a self-admitted pervert.

    Despite all that never once have I had violent, rude, illegal or immoral (and I mean truly immoral, not SJW immoral) sexual thoughts or urges towards anyone.

    It’s called being a decent human. SJWs should give it a shot sometime.

  • Immahnoob

    Yeah, children are ignorant, not stupid.

  • Mr0303

    Great article. I think eventually the SJW narrative will lose. We are now seeing active resistance to all of this nonsense, because our sex drive is something so natural that going against it is lunacy.

    The “just go to porn” argument is nonsensical – why separate a medium from the theme of sexuality? Why read romance novels or “Fifty Shades of Grey” – just go to sex mags. Why read “All Quiet on the Western Front” – just look at a picture of a gun. Limiting our thoughts for what is a creative medium makes us boring and predictable.

    I agree with Carl this outrage culture is a detriment to our society. Much like the religious censorship the PC culture will fall, because they limit their thoughts and arguments.

  • Mr0303

    Here is a small hint to the SJWs – if you want to make something uninteresting and mundane, the best thing to do is expose everyone to it.

  • Immahnoob

    What type of “both sides are bad” retardation is this one now?

    Oh, true, that type that proves the person in question never saw any data in his life.

  • Mr0303

    I think they realize that and have a malicious intent. They want to the the arbiter of what is mature or not – just like the Oscars, but on a more massive scale.

    They want to control the flow of information, because they are just some talentless hacks, who don’t offer anything to the consumer and produce nothing of value.

  • buddyluv324

    How do you figure that GG was years of attitudes that were sexist? Are you referring to the likes of Zoe, Anita and Brianna? If that’s the case you may need to take a more closer look at those people. Because the problem with the likes of them is that they seem to profit being victims more than offering well thought out solutions and/or contributions to fix these said problems. And yes there are sexist people on the internet, but theres also racist, homophobic, pedophiles, sociopaths, etc. that exist on the internet but they’re only a small fraction of the billions of people online. And trust me, women getting crapped on online isnt exclusive to them. You want REAL unfair treatment of women, look out into the real world into a number of 3rd world countries where these events are in the norm in those areas.

    This is another issue I have with the SJWs. With them having so much influence in mainstream media, ( not just in video games). you would think they would get out and try to make a difference for the people who actually need the help. Instead they need their twitter fix bitching over the newest “fuck toy.” At this point GG has grown beyond just gaming journalism, which there’s still some shady practices, but its now fighting against something bigger than they’ve anticipated.

  • Dgnfly

    Sadly ppl are more ignorant towards what’s true just to saver a certain sense off idealistic view of the world.

    basicly stupid ppl believe if we ban all the naughty or bad stuff that suddently the world would turn into a utopia.
    but all that truly happens is a police state that tells you what you can or can’t do. kinda like religion 2.0 and religion is pretty fucked up right now.

  • TheMeow7410 .

    I’m sure you wrote an amazing article but honestly I couldn’t help but just scroll to the next image…

  • dathip

    LOL. GET OVER IT!! You guys are pathetic. You guys just love your perversions in a video game. Get married!

  • Sebastian Mikulec

    “The problem here is that the new puritans are those on the far left. When I was a kid, it was far right simpletons like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell who were whining that we were all too comfortable with nudity and sex. Now, thirty years later, it’s the far left that is promoting puritanism.”

    Not at all surprising if you subscribe to the Horseshoe Theory. The Fundamentalist far right and the Authoritarian far left are actually extremely alike.

  • buddyluv324

    And you point being…?

  • Kiryu

    The sites buffoon?

  • Meteor

    My lesbian sis and her girlfriend enjoy these games you called “perversion” as much as me, understand you homophobic shit?

  • Black_Bob

    Agreed with this and good reference.

  • dathip

    GET OVER IT!! That’s my point lol

  • Kiryu

    We could apply the;just go to…to anything,really idiotic thing to say and tells you alot about the intelligence of these people.

  • dathip

    GET OVER IT!! haha. Can’t wait for all these games to come to the PC anyway ? ?

  • Yabloko Molloco San

    This is the “them” decade, where most people follow a handful of retards (youtubers, celebs, twitter users, etc)

  • buddyluv324

    I ask what’s your point because you havent brought up much of an argument other than telling people how pathetic they are. If you only having insults is your only means of getting a well thought out point out, you’re trolling skills need work.

  • Kiryu

    Newsflash for the ignorant;we all get objectified daily.My boss sees me as a worker drone,i see him as a paycheck,i see the waitress as be there just to serve me and so on.

  • dathip

    My point is that you guys are pathetic. You guys are nothing but a bunch of SJW over video games. ? ?

  • E M P

    Sick burn dude, you sure got us!

  • Kiryu

    Kudos to the author,great article.I feel like i could have a beer with Carl,seems to be a really cool guy.

  • Kiryu

    His phrases begin and end with a lol,reminds me of these dudes;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6j4ZClZIyY

  • Meteor

    The whole sense of your messages is you try to feel morally superior because you don’t like some video games other people enjoy. Adults are trying to talk here, go back to the kindergarten.

  • Kiryu

    Trolling is an art.

  • dathip

    Stop being a SJW then I will stop insulting you. Your no different from Anita Sarkessian ? ?

  • Senita Mahoney

    Because they’re not objects

  • Meteor

    Insulting me?You’re only making a fool of yourself if you have not noticed yet.

  • dathip

    The only fool here you YOU GUYS-the SJWs ? ?

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    And men aren’t tools.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Just like men aren’t tools for women.

  • Kiryu

    Nor atm’s.

  • Senita Mahoney

    That’s not objectifing, but you go ahead and play that game to make yourself feel better.

  • Kiryu

    That is objectifying,what is it that you don’t get in the definition of the word?

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    After reading your argument again. Your Japanese argument is irrelevant when it comes to localizing titles in the west because guess what most gamers are still male. So titles like Neptunia and Senran Kagura are localized aimed at male players for that exact purpose.

  • Hey Arnold

    Being just ethics doesn’t work because unless you deal with the source in this case the far left SJWs, then you will never fix the problem.

  • RetroGamer

    Sex is of the devil!

  • Can you stop repeating what I post? we are on the same page but you are somehow looking for an argument.

  • Isaac Sadler

    Demolition man is another good movie which shows what happens when you get an idealistic world that the SJW and puritans would make.

  • Isaac Sadler

    Objectifing = treating people like an object.
    So yes treating a boss as a paycheck instead of a person is still objectifing, but please change the meaning of the word to suit you.

  • deadeye

    They’re two different issues. You can be far left and still be ethical. Gamergate was just about transparency in games media, and corruption in the industry. SJWs don’t factor into that.

    By the way, SJWs impacting the industry is not the kind of “corruption” gamergate was focused on.

  • Obbliglol

    I 100% agree with this article. I am not an American, but the culture over the pond does seem to be one that is puritanical to a silly degree. I’m not saying Europe is wonderful and flawless, but it does continue to puzzle me. You guys have guns and violent movies and Toddlers and Tiaras, but Janet Jackson exposes a nipple on air and everyone loses their minds! Like other people have said though, there is no way the sex negative culture can win. The internet/social media is too big, too strong for this sort of thing – when Marilyn Manson was being blamed for Columbine, the internet wasn’t really as widespread as it was now, and if you go anywhere on the web now, there are people agreeing with your anger over this puritan nonsense. Unless you go to NeoGAF, kek. Hell, even GameFAQs has had enough of this shit.

  • Obbliglol

    Very interesting point about Ellen Page, and I know what game you’re referring to (godawful David Cage drivel, yep, let’s just throw in a giant sand demon and a birthday party and dodgy homeless shenanigans). It always fascinates me that people will applaud someone like the Page character, but Bayonetta is “embarrassing” and “too Japanese”. Honestly, Bayonetta is the best female super hero I’ve ever seen. I could gush about my fangirl crush on how cool/clever/in-control/sexy/slinky/amazing she is, but the likes of Polygon etc just see her as a “sex object”, and I honestly think that comes down to projection. She’s attractive, therefore she is a sex object (regardless of what said female feels about that). What a baffling mindset.

  • scemar

    Very very honest editorial, with interesting stories, historical insight and reasonable view of what’s going on and nails it well. Thanks for sharing that.

    Agree 100% the culture now is just terrible, it’s a dark ages.
    Repression, censorship and judgementalism with political correctness back in full force and all being pushed by some losers with an agenda.

    I can completely relate to the story of the two little sisters when it comes to drinking and smoking.
    My family does it, but responsibly, and they never tried to hide it or treat is as taboo either when I was a kid, I only tried smoking twice and both times I just didn’t like it and only drink socially but I have friends whose parents did treat those things with a lot of fear and made a big deal out of it, they were good parents and had good intentions but incidentally those friends grew up fascinated by them, managed to get smokes in secret and started smoking in young, always wanted to sneak to parties with alcohol and now still struggle trying to quit it today and others have had bad runs with excessive drinking.

    It’s a common thing, trying to make something taboo, spooky and mystifying, trying to hide it and turn it into a great sin is not a healthy thing.
    It can lead to unhealthy denial of natural things in some cases or it can lead to overcompensation of things in later years

  • Derek

    Entitlement issues, treating real women like they out of media works as slutty and easy to get to the bed with.

  • Antoinant

    I want to tickle those ears

  • scemar

    Society is still trying to understand social media.
    It’s still very new.

    Combined with the terrible state of videogames “journalism” and we have a recipe for disaster that allows a glorified blogger to make up some terrible ranting and a few blind followers to back that up.
    It gives the impression that there’s a lot of people mad, or that “people” in general care. But it’s really just that extremely small but vocal clique.

  • scemar

    And you’d be right.

    It’s consistently proven that the people complaining the most about all those things are generally from wealthy families, live in nice towns of the first world, have had plenty of opportunities given to them, many even went to good colleges and basically had no real problems to worry about in their whole life.

  • scemar

    Demolition man used to seem goofy but now it almost looks like a horror movie.

    “This offensive, thus it is bad, thus illegal”

  • Louie Tejeda

    Very well said, and I agree with the sentiment considering I also grew up in the 80’s

  • scemar

    And sometimes it’s just the goofy stuff that dies.

    Like in FF7 remake, they’re dropping a part of the game.
    If we deny more things, if the censorlist keeps growing the amount of experiences we can enjoy in the medium grow smaller for no good reason.
    That makes the medium weaker.

  • Noah Howard

    This is a well put article!
    I think the problem comes from misinterpreting the Biblical view of sex, making the message seem more strict than it actually is. In context, the ancient Hebrews and early Christians think sex is a symbolic act and not just this pleasurable thing (and those in the old and new testament that treated it just as pleasure weren’t the best decision makers).

    P.S.: we have an unwritten rule about not expecting non-believers to conform to Biblical principle.

  • scemar

    They’re also often the ones that never picked up a game until it became cool to like them and often they’re the ones that will complain if a game has too much “gameplay”.

    Most of the time I’d say they’re cinema rejects that couldn’t make it in that medium.

  • Noah Howard

    Yeah, how did those artists receive the inspiration for a masterpiece so socially aware?

  • scemar

    The horseshoe theory is good.
    More people need to think about it.

  • scemar

    Oh I know what you’re describing there.
    Is that what objectification actually meant?

    Because that’s funny.
    It’s super ironic that the people playing the games the sjw claim make people act that way are about the polar opposite of the people that actually do those things.

    I’m gonna go real here, most hardcore gamers are kind of betas or at least nice guys and much more likely to seek female approval and put females on a pedestal or develop feelings for them, heck even the fictional ones, than acting like smooth players that can get anything they want out of women without their own emotions getting in the way and without caring about the women’s state at all.

    The weeb audiences that enjoy games like DOAX3 very often go even further than that, and barely have any social experience or contact with women.

    No like seriously.
    In what world are sexy videogames going to breed a generation of manipulative selfish players?
    That SJW logic is just pure gold.

  • Dgnfly

    Kinda like this case. it’s like they have so much money they just complain cause they are bored.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phA_mGxR4-A

  • scemar

    Multiple versions of games is a good idea.
    In 1990 it would have been unfeasible.

    But in 2015 they can easily make it work because all games now are full of post release digital content.

    You can make a game T and release an optional DLC that removes the censorship or reintroduces the more risque content and bumps the game to an M.

    Or you can make a game like SF5 and have an in game toggle that allows disabling or enabling the whackier stuff like the butt slaps so it can be turned off if people don’t want it, or at a tournament if they prefer to keep it PG, or turned on for those that want it.

    The technical options are there.
    The logistics are there.
    And the reasons to do it are there.
    All that’s left is for developers to do it.

    And I would be willing to be that the usual suspects would still complain because their complains are and have always been aimed towards complete destruction and gentrification of all non politically correct content, they’re not consumers that want any particular kind of experience so an option of how to play a game would not matter to them, they’re ideological crusaders that want to change the world period so they just don’t want some things to exist at all.
    But the option would invalidate their complains at least on one level and that’d be a good enough move.

  • Thomas B.

    Thank you for this Article! Next Month i will donate Nichegamer for this. It’s more then worth some clicks. :)

  • scemar

    Yeah. Some problems can’t be solved without dealing with other elements related to them.

    It’s like that old paradox of freedom, if people are free then some people will be free to oppose freedom, and those who defend freedom will actually defend that as well, and you can tell which side always ends losing in the end.
    If you defend freedom but don’t oppose those that attack it, and protect their right to attack it, freedom always loses.

  • Nagato

    My girlfriend sure doesn’t mind it when I objectify her.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Funny, I don’t know where I said they were.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Have fun pretending that’s the same thing it’s not. The only people changing the word to suit themselves are you and Kiryu. You have a ignorance perception on how jobs work.

  • Senita Mahoney

    What don’t you get about how you can’t treat someone like a price of paper, your analogy is just as poor as your view point.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Imaginary girlfriends don’t count.

  • blackice85

    And the guys who treat women like trash more often than not just play the latest bro shooter or football game, they’re not the ones playing the weeb games lol.

  • Derek

    What about anime cons. Because of idiots who treat girls in cosplay like their characters and approach them that way there is that correlation that fanservice gaming generates creeps.

    Or do I have to drop CWC’s name to remind you why this has become an issue?

  • Kiryu

    It’s your lack of understanding the meaning of the words that is poor but keep going you only make yourself look silly.

  • Senita Mahoney

    It’s not a lack of understanding, you will say anything to fit your viewpoint, except that’s not how it works no matter how much you want it to. Just because you’re stuck in a dead end job doesn’t mean you get to change the terms of a word to suit your needs. I’m sorry your life sucks. Women aren’t objects, period.

  • Figuratively Shaking

    You can name one deranged faggot and you think this should be reason enough to not only tarnish every male in the world, but restrict their ability to create and consume media?

    You are a disgusting individual.

  • “They cry that video gaming needs to “grow up”, yet they themselves are claiming to being triggered by digital breasts.”

    Are you making a refference to Extra Credits? It sounds like it and I agree with you.

  • Kiryu

    And this is not Jezebel.My life sucks?So you know me?Take your feminist propaganda elsewhere thanks,this is a gaming site.

  • Richard

    Wonderful article, Carl!

  • SA-X

    I can assure you I’m quite real, but it’s obvious you wish you looked enough like a real woman to be objectified as well.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Cause =/= causation

  • Isaac Sadler

    “you will say anything to fit your viewpoint”
    But that’s exactly what you are doing though.

  • Senita Mahoney

    You’re using a straw man falacy argument and all of a sudden I’m spreading propaganda. You know it’s people like you the reason SJWs keep winning.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Except it isn’t. I’m not pulling a straw man argument.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Hahahahahahaha. Don’t make your feelings for my own. Also, you expect me to believe you actually know the other person. Have fun with that.

  • Kirijo

    All organisms are objects.

  • Yosharian

    “Are you living in some strange alternate universe where there exists a single person who, by the age of 16, hasn’t masturbated yet?”

    Not everyone has played with themselves and not everyone has those urges. There are people who’ve never done it, and there are people (i.e. asexuals) who are wholly uninterested in it. They are outliers but they do exist. It’s a mistake to pretend those individuals do not exist, IMO.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Organisms are beings, but sure fine. Enjoy your straw man. Ignore reality and sense, just to try and prove a point or to be rude and do whatever hell you want to.

  • Chocolate ISISCream

    What an amazing fuck read.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    In other words, they have no argument.

  • Ichigo Musuko

    Sex to me is no big deal in games, hell I either buy or get sent visual novels through Steam just because surprise boobs and the awkwardness coming from the character I’m playing and to an extension, myself. Oh and the story as well. I feel that this generation of whiners deem themselves “righteous” because they see sex demoralizing to women, what little they know is in this day and age, sex sells. Why choose Bayonetta over Shantae in the Smash roster? She has a body that many a man would fap to,and aside from that, she has had very little cameo after her first game and the only other game she ever starred in was Anarchy Reigns, the sequel to Madworld. So let’s see, what got rundown into the ground in the 80s? Cartoons. Very few weren’t as successful as the ones we grew up with and yet, through the Internet we’re able to find them. You wonder how shows like Dungeons & Dragons and Rambo died? Parents..preferably the overbearing ones that won’t allow their children to watch certain cartoons and this is long before the rating system we have now. I see it as this, if you’re so worried about sex, then explain how we got here? Sex is a part of nature, that’s how lives are made. As a gamer, I will back my fellow brethren and say that you’re right. This world is fucked up and we’re not stepping on enough toes to stop the whiners from bitching and I feel game companies should take the power back and continue making games whether or not fanservice is there. Fanservice is just visible easter eggs for the players and I, myself LOVE that. It shows that the people behind the games know they have a bit of humor and shows a bit of consideration for the player. I’ll end this by saying the following: “Don’t like it? Don’t buy/watch it..but don’t be so much of an ass that you don’t want anyone else to enjoy.”

  • Kiryu

    That’s the Derek we know here,disgusting indeed.

  • Kirijo

    Getting butthurt over women being referred to as the (sexual) objects that they are is on par with getting butthurt over prescription medicine being referred to as “drugs”.

  • Samuel Roberts

    Excellent article. More people need to say this stuff.

  • Kiryu

    Sadly the don’t like it don’t buy it is not an alternative for these people since they want to dictate to us what we should or should not play.

  • SA-X

    I’d say when attractive women – fictional or not – make someone *so* uncomfortable that they want it gone, there’s some personal feelings and insecurity involved, sure.

  • Aikia

    Great read. Tired of those “I’m offended because she’s prettier than me” tirades.

  • Kiryu

    My response is always;”i’m offended is not an argument”.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Except they’re are not. If women are sexual objects, then men most be atms. Only that’s far from the truth and that’s exactly why games like Dead or Alive keep getting censored or banned, because you have people like you, how act like women only exist to please men.

  • Senita Mahoney

    It’s funny, I never said I wanted the game gone either or any game for that matter. I was responding to a comment. That had nothing to do with the game. I’ve never been uncomfortable around any female, fiction or not.

  • William Lee Twitch

    Are you even reading the idiocy you’re typing before hitting post?

  • Senita Mahoney

    Also, they’re called prescription drugs, so no one would be upset by that, but women are human beings and should be treated as such.

  • William Lee Twitch

    They showed you, eh?

  • Senita Mahoney

    Just because you only see a women as a sex object, doesn’t make it true. Call me an idiot all you like, doesn’t make you right

  • Senita Mahoney

    Showed me what?

  • Derek

    And speaking from personal experiences of dealing with gossip where there will at least some mention of people being creepshamed.

  • Derek

    And this is someone talking to me with an anime girl avatar. But hey better the devil I know then the one i dont which are sjws. At least I can hold unpopular opinions here.

  • Kirijo

    There’s no “if” about it, they ARE sexual objects, by virtue of organisms being objects like i said and due to the reason why the sexes exist to begin with(sexual reproduction).

    “Objectification” is nothing more an asinine term to denigrate healthy (male) heterosexuality.

  • Senita Mahoney

    No, the word exist because people don’t like to be treated like sexual objects. It’s not are, do only reason you think that is because you want sexualy objectify women and not get in trouble or feel bad about it. There’s appreciating an attractive being, and then there’s being a dick and objectifying them. Which can be done by both sexes. Hell women get away more then men do.

  • Go D. Usopp

    I think that people engage in these absolutist arguments just because if they appear too wishy-washy the other side will just shout them down, so they have to go all or nothing like their opposition would. I mean it’s not conducive to good discussion at all because it just turns into a poorly worded shouting match with both sides misrepresenting their own points but I don’t think that Carl meant anything by it is all i’m saying

  • Hey Arnold

    I never said you couldn’t, but the corruption is coming from the SJWs pushing an agenda.

  • William Lee Twitch

    I said your replies are pure idiocy, not you. But I’ve come to the conclusion that you are an idiot from reading every one of your stupid ass comments.
    From your first snide ass comment made, it was idiotic. Every comment that followed from your fingers has been more idiotic than the last. In this instance I am right when I say that you sir are an idiot and a big dummy. And naive. Your shit tactics may work on those prudes at Jezebel and Kotaku, but it doesn’t work here kiddo.

  • PimpnRayman

    Nothing I said had anything do due with GG. I said for years assclown attitudes towards gamers and all around from virgin moutain dew sipping insults and angry feminism rants. This shit is bigger than Anita and Wu they did start this shit but they are carring the banner so to speak. These debates and arguments and general going no where nonsense. Wu, Anita and the like are light annoying voices in the gaming community small specs of a bigger picture.

    Besides SJWs don’t control shit long time ago they used called “Soccer moms” and “conservatives” or what the fuck ever.

    My point is that this was not about GG but everything that led up to it.

  • This is one of the best editorials I’ve read regarding anything that has to do with #GamerGate, and I can’t wait to share this with everyone I know. Thanks for taking the time to write it Carl. :)

  • Isaac Sadler

    Elf ears the best.

  • Senita Mahoney

    My first comment wasn’t snide, it was a statement of fact, but of course you missed that. You’re not right, nor am I naive. Call ’em shit tacucs all you want, it’s still a fact, whether you care to admit or not.

  • Billy Bob

    I see people in the comments mentioning that we don’t sexualize, it really looks like people have fallen for one of there tricks.

    Sexualizing a fictional female character is not morally wrong, beating a female character to death with another is not wrong either. Many have been fooled into genuine sexism and outright madness that fictional female npc’s should all be respected, that they represent all women, they say this as someone takes satisfaction in literarally one of the trillions of male npc’s getting slaughtered in countless way.

    Sexualize, sympathize, hate or ignore, these are video game characters and this is fiction, I still haven’t heard of any problems from millions of grown women reading rape fiction

  • blackice85

    Books in general seem to get a pass from everyone bitching about games. One of the problems is that men tend to go for visual stimulation more often than not, which naturally is more visible to the casual observer. So I think it can be an easier target sometimes, but it’s the same thing when you get right down to it.

  • Hey Arnold

    Considering how much bullshit we’ve seen, horseshoe theory doesn’t seem as much of a theory anymore.

  • Mr.Sixes

    Congrats Carl.

  • Para-Medic

    Did you come here to shitpost or something?

    I cannot believe how much time you’ve spent White Knighting for pixel women. I won’t get sucked into your stupidity, but it sure is annoying to have sort through all your shit.

  • Para-Medic

    Great article Carl! I love the editorials on NG!

  • Senita Mahoney

    No, I came here to read the article and no, I don’t give a shit about fictional people. I’m talking about real men and women. Jesus Christ.

  • Demetrius Coleman

    I hope the gaming industry change in 2016. I’d really hate to see the constant backpedaling we have been getting this year.

  • Demetrius Coleman

    You know, I did notice people will automatically label you as an MRA if you disagree with them.

  • Sebastian Mikulec

    I firmly believe in it. I mean, if you look at the Fundamentalist far right and the Authoritarian far left the similarities are striking. They’re both groups that are convinced they know the “right way to live” and that people should be told, or even mandated, how to live for “their own good” by a select group of people, namely them. The main difference between the two groups is their vision of the “right way to live”.

  • Demetrius Coleman

    And the scary part of it all is most people don’t realize this and will try to deny it…

  • perfectchaos83

    Well, that was a great read. Glad I’m not the only one that thinks sheltering children is a bad thing to do.

  • Let’s hope for a 2016 filled with more optimism!

  • buddyluv324

    As much as the likes of Anita, Brianna, Zoe and others are annoying, Its foolish to think at this point that they’re small vocal voices in the gaming community. I dont think anyone should underestimate them when they’ve repeatedly appear on mainstream news and media, have some sort of influence within the gaming industry itself and even manage to appear within the UN. If they’re just small vocal voices, we wouldnt be having this conversation in the first place.

  • Neutral

    I guarantee when you’re up at starbucks waiting to get your coffee, the last thing on your mind, other than “give me my coffee” is “I wonder what the cashiers feelings are”.

  • MusouTensei

    Great piece Carl.
    For me personally, I don’t jack off to the DoA or Senran Kagura girls or Bayonetta for example, I like them too much for that, but I like to see them bouncing around, getting their clothes ripped off, getting wet (not in the horny way) hugging each other, wearing bikinis, cleavage and panty shots etc, I just like fan service, it makes me happy. #HappyBoobs
    I would never personally look at a Bayonetta hentai (I prefer hentai with original characters solely created for that hentai), I respect that character too much, but I would never forbid others to do so. I mean even Kamiya has not a big problem with it, he only hates it when the hentai shows Bayo out of character.

  • Uncle Heffy

    Wow, simply outstanding. Well said in every angle. I, too, am sick of the current society we live in. Everyone does that prude act like they don’t engage in anything sexual or mature. It needs to end, and we need to help end it. Good stuff.

  • Uncle Heffy

    I wish I had friends with a mindset like you in real life. I, too, would like to tickle those ears.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Actually I do considering I use to work behind a register and know exactly how much of an asshole customers can be. I’m never impatient when I’m ordering anything, my mind wonders to other things, but yeah, let’s compare ordering a coffee to treat people like they only serve one purpose in life.

  • Clairity

    Well said. It bothers the shit out of me that people decry sexy stuff by saying “Men get off to this!” as if it’s a bad thing (or that lesbians somehow don’t exist when a tri-gender poly-keen tumblrette wants to shit all over Bayonetta).

    I’m very thankful that sexy women in video games exist. If it weren’t for them, I’d probably still be in the closet and living an abysmally unhappy, self loathing life. You know, like a feminist!

  • Clairity

    But what about catgirl ears? Those need some lovings too!

  • Para-Medic

    You really are dense.

    No one actually believes that anyone, man or woman, serves only one purpose. Let’s be real here, unless the person in question is fucking chained to the damn floor ain’t no one on this planet only ever doing one thing in life. I think you’re arguing with the wrong people on the wrong website, for reals.

    “Objectification” is an infallible, often unconscious, way of just sorting people in daily life. At the mall I’m a shopper, in bed I’m a sextoy. At work I’m “the tech guy” and on the road I’m just “another asshole behind the wheel.”

    I’m gonna be totally honest with you though, there is no amount of political correctness or touchy feely bullshit that is going to make me actually care about every cashier I ever meet. So what exactly are you on about? I don’t think your crusade will get you anywhere tbh.

  • tccboss

    elves and cat girls are disgusting and are lesser than humans they don’t deserve any ear play at all.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Wow, you went off on a tangent that isn’t even revelant, anything to continue to treat people unequally right? Oh but you don’t believe people actually think like that. That explains it. There’s no crusade I’m fighting, it was a simple statement to a stupid comment. The only crusade I see is those fighting against people being treated as human beings.

  • Hey Arnold

    More and more are beginning to see the harm SJWs are doing. We just have to keep pushing against the sex negative puritanism.

  • William Lee Twitch

    You haven’t said one single fact on this page, dummy. You officially past idiot, even moron. You’re in the retarded category. Not just regular retarded. You’re the most retarded of the retarded. You are officially RETARDOMAX! Here’s your dunce cap to go with your cape. Now fly RETARDOMAX! Show everyone how retarded you can be!

  • DavidGX

    10/10

  • Para-Medic

    Yep. Dense. Can’t even follow a simple line of conversation. Especially when it’s inconvenient to your narrative.

    One: I personally don’t treat people unequally, I don’t know why you lump people together and yet claim the higher moral horse, I think you’re a fucking idiot (and you keep proving it) but I’d serve you tea all the same.

    Two: You absolutely are fighting some sorta crusade. I think any observer going through these comments would likely agree. You’ve replied to just about everything by making shit up, taking things out of context, or by playing the victim.

    I still think you’re arguing with the wrong people on the wrong website. If your feelings are really this strong, why don’t you get off your keyboard and actually go make a difference somewhere? Cuz again, gotta be honest, trolling this comment section won’t get you anywhere. You ain’t changing my feelings, and I highly doubt you’ve made sense to anyone else here. You just lookin’ the part of a fool.

  • Senita Mahoney

    Actually I have, but leave it to a neck bearded pissant to ignore that. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass you would know that. You’re just too busy opening you mouth and letting shit, you probably don’t even have a clue what’s going on.

  • tccboss

    Like many people have said before me this is a great article and it gets so many things right. like the headline says here, I do believe PC culture is ruining society it sounds silly but true. anyway the more and more I hear SJWs talk they sound like this guy and scarily enough if you change a few words it’s more or less line for line what they say and the leaps of logic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmNb3xJFzkc

  • Senita Mahoney

    Don’t mistake what you’re doing, for what I’m doing. I replied to one person. Everyone else, replied to me, do see how that works. It’s not my fault everyone wants to feel attacked by what I said and try desperately to fit the narrative to their point of view with their half assed anologies. I wasn’t lumping people together, but those who decided to attack me for stating a fact. If you treat people equally, then what’s the issue with what I said, women and men aren’t objects, they’re toys and you can make whatever excuse about what you do with sex life all you want, we’re talking in general and in terms of dealing with strangers. Seriously, it’s like you people are so use to the SJW post that any form of a reality check is an attack.

  • raymk

    How are you objectiying her? Lusting for her isnt objectifying. If you treated her like crap then you’d be objectifying her.

  • raymk

    Eh, not really. Human beings aren’t objects. We have definitions for a reason ya know. Objects cant think, thts why they are called objects.

  • raymk

    Well you aren’t other people, we wouldn’t have kids killing parents if we were all the same, thus your example is kinda off point. Heart is in the right place tho.

  • Hey Arnold

    Yeah because if it did, then you would get labeled a misogynist for liking women in bikinis. Which can we talk about how liking that makes you hate women? What?

  • scemar

    What would elf ears taste like hm….

  • scemar

    Yeah.
    Like those rich boys.
    Man that makes me mad, if you’re rich you ain’t under privileged.

  • raymk

    Well now you can take this to neogaf and see how the react to it. Sexy images to, yuou June reminded me of a game to buy.

  • Kirijo

    Yes really, an object is anything tangible that exists, otherwise the term “inanimate object” would be a huge redundancy.

  • Ichigo Musuko

    Eh..I guess I’m more strong willed than most people when it comes to a subject like this. Point is, these people are like clones of Brainy Smurf and they run the risk of getting their collective asses thrown out the village. We do have strong will to our livelihood, we need to take a stand to protect what we hold dear and continue to do so and be proud that we’re not a bunch of mindless slackers. We’re a generation comprised of vintage and modern age gaming and we hold that voice to let these idiots know that we’re stronger than they. What we play is our business, not theirs.

  • pantspatrol

    I never understood the “just go to porn” argument.(statement? verbal diarrhea?) I mean its on par with banning Anita’s videos, and the casually saying “why dont you just watch Jack Thompson rants”. not the same thing, not used for the same purpose.

  • An Tran

    Beautiful article. If only we had more people like you and your father, then perhaps the Internet wouldn’t be such a crappy “place”.

  • Cats736

    Senran Kagura? I need to get those…

  • Cats736

    Trololol

  • TheCynicalReaper

    AGREED

  • William Lee Twitch

    I couldn’t have said it better myself. Excellent work, playa.

  • Muten

    Definely is making video games and the talk about them boring and lame as fuck, too bad the rest of the world is stuck with this bullshit, because Europe and the US have the biggest markets, so makes sense publishers cater to those sensitivities and immaturities.

  • Derek

    So what you are saying is people like Deadeye need to take a side, personal well being be damned?

    I can bite with that.

  • Antoinant

    Paladin pls go

  • Kiryu

    We have a prime example here if you look at who responded to my comment.

  • scemar

    Congoers are a different demographic though.
    Even if it’s about games or anime, it’s not the same sample of people from those hobbies.
    Now you’re talking about real people too, not fictional characters.

  • scemar

    It is now.
    Because it’s 2015

  • Immahnoob

    Hey, I’m arguing for the purpose of the best, smartest solution in your given environment.

    If you want the worst and least smartest solution, then sure, do whatever you want.

    Don’t forget that he himself said he’s still taking part of the discussion. If say, he wasn’t and he would just be, “that person on the side”, I wouldn’t have given him the time of the day, hence his “personal well being” would have been intact.

    That’s why “you can’t have your cake and eat it too” exists. Besides, some ideas are proven to be better than others, hence why it’s easy to claim there are two sides, since the third, red herring side doesn’t matter.

  • Immahnoob

    No, I won’t keep the conversation at video games, since yours is a retarded argument all around.

    No one said everyone’s the same, the majority is almost the same though, and that’s enough for me to make this argument, since your minority is not a relevant minority. Since the majority has average or above average intelligence and is neither sociopathic/psychopatic or have other disorders or oddities in either personality, brain functions, other bodily functions, etc.

  • queazy
  • TheNoItsNotShutUpGuy

    Yes you are. Shut up.

  • B-man

    I agree with this completely. Thank you Carl for writing this.

  • B-man

    I agree. These anti-sex activists claim to fight against sexism, but requesting digital woman to change their clothing and their activities because they are women, that is sexist in itself.

  • Ceraii

    What a fantastic read I see first thing in the morning! Pretty much my thoughts in an actual editorial. Dad seems like a real cool guy.

    I myself grew up in a, how to say, sexually repressed house. I was sheltered from pretty much anything sexual. The story about watching Toxic Avengers reminded me of a story of my own. I was at a friend of the family’s house one summer. They had rented Exit To Eden. (That is the only thing I remember about that movie) It came up to a sex scene and I was about 9 maybe 10 at the time. I was asked if I knew what was going on. I said yes. I lied. I had no idea what the heck was happening but I found it interesting to say the least. I only saw this because the SNES was occupied at the time and they were using the tv the Genesis was hooked up to so I was bored anyways. The first time I saw boobs was a couple of years later. My parents were watching an R rated movie although I have no idea which and again sex scene then boobs. At the time I hadn’t started puberty so my only reaction at the time was, “oh so that’s what they look like. What’s the big deal?”

    It was becuase of this 8th grade and up was hell for me. I spent most of the time pretending to know what my friends were talking about when it came to anything sexual. I spent the better part of those years trying to figure out the mystery. Thankfully I ended up with a girl friend and I began to start putting the pieces together. Right after the first time we did anything sexual which didn’t include sex, we were smart like that as we didn’t have any form of contraception, I had this kind of high. Then the realization, this is what has been hidden from me? This is amazing! That was when I learned sex wasn’t bad. But this experimentation lend credence to what you said. I order to understand I had to experiment with what was considered taboo. Had it not been hidden from me my interest would have been similar but not as pressing and certainly not thought of as something bad until I tried it.

    Now I have two boys. So I have been trying to figure out how to teach them that sex is fine. It’s not bad by default. But I still have time for that as the oldest is two.

    I certainly don’t view games as some sort holy grail that needs to be void of any “impurities” such as sex and nudity. I still remember the first game I played that had any form of nudity or implied sex and that was Xenogears. From Miang’s bare butt in the open to the implied sex with (spoilers if you never played) Miang and Rameses (I think that was his name it’s been a really long time) to Fei and Elly. I remember thinking “I’m glad games are showing this now.” And then “that’s a hot ass.”

    All I can say now is I don’t like the idea of this being censored because it “triggers” a few very loud people. I can say being exposed to this stuff even if on the sly has not made me disrespect women. Not made me mysoginistic. Or a rapist. So bring in the jiggling boobs, sex, and what ever else. After all they are just stories to help stir the imagination. Thank you for a wonderful read.

  • Neutral

    It is objectification. It’s called Denial of Subjectivity.

  • Neutral

    That’s a straw man argument. Nobody said or argued to treat people like they only serve one purpose in life.

  • Another good example of avoiding sex being a bad thing would probably be all those priests who end up raping little boys.

  • Ignacio

    I agree that sex shouldn’t be hidden from the eyes of the public. But that’s not why some liberals, leftists and feminists are against sex in video games. I’m not sure about which groups the article talks about though, but often, when games present us with sex, they do it in a childish, immature, unreal way. They create false expectations of sex for many people who haven’t experienced it enough. Same goes for movies and other formats, but they don’t seem to have such a hard time grasping that as games. Apart from that, the sex in games is very focused on male gratification. So that leaves males who have ideas about sex and females that are often not like reality, which leaves many men frustrated and misguided in their efforts to get real sex and interactions with women. So, there’s nothing wrong with sex, but we need the two genders on board. Women have a totally different conception of sex than men, and their input would be invaluable for getting to understand them, because sex is great only if it’s great for both parties.

  • vileBrenman

    “Sex is natural, sex is good, not everybody does it, but everybody should.”
    – Please consult a doctor to confirm you are healthy enough for sexual activity

  • Momiji

    Just finished reading all of this. This has got to be the best article I’ve read all year. Might even be top 5 all time high. 10/10, would recommend.

  • NukeA6

    Notice how the opposition always uses the same exact insults? If you’re not a fedora-wearing neckbeard or an MRA, you’re a basement dweller, a rapist, a man-baby, and/or have a small penis. The irony of this, is that the insults are actually true in SJW side (in the case of MRA, it’s actually former activists).

  • Jonathan B

    I do agree with you that the current “feminist” trend to view all sexuality as a threat of objectification of women is incorrect and excessive. However, the stories you use to get there bother me. I don’t think movies or TV or magazines or anything else ruin a person on their own, because every person is different and influenced differently at different times. They can trigger or increase a problem that’s already present in the person, but they won’t create a problem where the potential for that problem doesn’t already exist. However, as a parent you don’t truly know what potentials your kid has from the start, so just assuming everything will be okay with abandon can be just as bad an idea as going the opposite way of complete paranoia.

    What you describe with that Catholic family and the two girls was not “puritanical religious values”; it was straight up paranoia. I was raised in a very religious family with puritanical values and views, and normal religious values is nothing like what you experienced with that family. My parents were never locking me inside afraid that I might have sex if their eyes were off me for even a minute. I was taught that sex was a gift of God meant to be experienced only in the context He designed it for, in the safety of a loving marriage founded on the right principles where it could be enjoyed freely and safely as a special gift. I wasn’t taught that sex was evil; I was taught that using it in the wrong context was wrong and in the right context it was beautiful. Sex used rightly was good and used wrongly was bad in the same way that speech used rightly was good and speech used wrongly was bad. I don’t remember what age I was when we had “the talk.” It was when my parents thought I was ready to handle it and not yet ready to need it, which is going to be different for different children, because each child is different. My parents knew I understood what they’d taught me, and that I was a good kid who generally did what I knew was right as they’d raised me, so they didn’t spend their lives scared what I was doing whenever I was out of their sight. Nor did the parents of most Christian kids that I knew. Yes, you’re correct that their parents’ behavior ruined them. But that’s not normal religious values, that’s extreme paranoia. II Timothy 1:7 (NLT) seems appropriate to their issue. “For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline.”

    I also think your dad was incorrect to show you those movies when your mother was uncomfortable with them. That’s not about the morality of you seeing them but about the proper relationship dynamic. I don’t doubt that he loved your mom and I’m not saying he wasn’t a great dad, I just feel that “we didn’t care” was not the correct respect for your mom’s opinion.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    After listening to Karen Straughan I don’t think being an MRA is a bad thing really. Men have issues too ya know?

  • NukeA6

    I never said it was.

  • alterku

    “The truth is, every single person who reads this editorial has, at one time or another, pleasured themselves behind the computer they are typing at right now.”
    What my workplace doesn’t know can’t hurt them.

  • scemar

    underrated link

  • scemar

    1% of the population

  • >They create false expectations of sex for many people who haven’t experienced it enough

    So what? The fault falls squarely on the person viewing/interacting with the content. I guess I’ll bring my artwork up in the comments again, but I do artwork of the cheesecake/hentai variety. It is not my responsibility to worry about what “expectations” viewers will have or what they’ll do after viewing my artwork. I can’t give enough of, nor will I ever give, a damn about it. Same goes for any other type of content creator. Another reason I I won’t care is because those “expectations” could be one of anything! YOUR expectation could be disgust at the stonking tatas I’ll draw. SOMEONE ELSE’S expectation could be a boner to pierce the heavens.

    And before anyone asks, why I choose to draw what I draw is MY FAULT and MY CHOICE. Did I see that kind of stuff from games, movies, anime, etc? Of course I did. But I CHOSE to take after them, not because the creators told me to. And if someone thinks I’m a bad person for that, don’t knock on the creator for what I am and what I like.

    > It’s too visual, too sudden, too in-your-face about it. That’s why it should be reimagined, not eliminated.
    >should be reimagined

    Nope. To “reimagine” it is pretty much the same as eliminating it. It’s pretty much just saying “out with the old, in with the new.” How about whatever ideas people have of sexual stuff ACCOMPANY what we have already, rather than outright replace it or “reimagine” it. You can have your “mature” sexual experiences, while I can have my big ol’ mammaries in my face.

  • chizwoz

    Very much agreed. It’s weird how the Left has taken on the exact same attitudes of the Right but for slightly different reasons.
    These people are in a minority though. People will have had enough of them before long.

  • anon9370

    “I play games to escape the real world, not be drawn back into it. The
    only people who play it for educational reasons are either non-gamers or
    toddlers.”

    This so much. That’s exactly the plan the SJWs have for gaming. They want to turn it into some “educational” / brainwashing tool for indoctrination.

  • anon9370

    The thing is, they’re not even anti-sex, only anti-whatever is targeted towards “cis het men”, as far as I can tell. This is strictly an attack against “the cis het patriarchs” because they perceive taking away our fanservice as “checking our privilege” and “scoring progressive points”.

    You’ll never see any SJW criticizing gay fanservice. For instance, they love that game with the floppy cocks that was on Xbox Live arcade, Mount Your Friends. But D cups in fiction!? They cry bloody murder!

  • anon9370

    Communism was perceived by everyone back then, because it had been a tangible threat. But now we have the Cultural Marxist equivalent of the Cuban missile crisis going on, and the masses are still completely unaware.

  • anon9370

    Damn, you see the word “straight male” pop up so many times. It’s clear they don’t care about sexual fanservice, only sexual fanservice that is pleasing to straight men. They have a serious hate fetish for the oppressive “cis het patriarch”!

  • anon9370

    You’re absolutely right. Just look into the connections with that DiGRA stuff.

  • anon9370

    The PC movement has powerful backers, a full scale cultural backlash is the only thing that can stop it, quite frankly.

  • anon9370

    Social Justice is practically a cult, so that makes a lot of sense.

    “Accept social justice into your heart, and ye shall be washed of your privilege.”

    There was a good image mocking it, but I lost it ><

  • anon9370

    Calling an Atheist Marxist movement that worships gays and trannies “sex negative puritanism” is really misleading though. They love gay fanservice. There’s not one SJW that didn’t worship “Mount Your Friends”, is there? There is a double standard being applied, and they are only against material targeted at cis het male scum, because of dat progressive stack.

    http://imgur.com/QQQ0Org

  • anon9370

    I hope you’re right, but it looks like we’re moving closer and closer to 1984.

  • anon9370

    “Ethics” was only ever an excuse to lash out against Social Justice.

  • anon9370

    They’re either liars or eunuchs.

  • anon9370

    The thing is, it’s not just soccer moms this time. the roots of modern SJWs go way back to the 1920-30s and a long term plan deliberately set in motion by Marxists to subvert the West. You know Zoey Quinn? Remember what she was posing with? The Prison Notebooks, by Antonio Gramsci, a Marxist thinker from the Frankfurt School.

    The Frankfurt School pondered why the workers of the world failed to unite, and basically came up with identity politics and a “long march through the cultural institutions” as the solution to prepare the world for Marxism.
    This “long march” is essentially the “critique of culture” and imposing “political correctness” through every facet of culture, and what we’re seeing now with SJWs in gaming is that the long march has finally reached us.

  • Immahnoob

    Or more like, it’s because of unethical behavior from Social Justice that ethics are being promoted now.

  • Brandon Shorter

    Eh yeah that a possible future for America , Not the world just America and the west . So it Is Entirely possible that Western game end up like the comic codes (Western meaning USA -UK mostly anglo Sphere) and then you have to go to Japan or Poland (Witcher) or some other culture for anything outside of hyper political correct anti-sex disney videos games lol.

  • Brandon Shorter

    Eh culturally don’t think that has ever been the case far as north american are concern culturally have a long history of various religous revivals an mass hysteria of xy and z causing evil and bad kids . Japan has this too just without the Christian biblical mythology it lack the same bite , and well japanese tend to demand actual scientific evidence something is harmful (Which is why they told the UN to basically fuck off ) . While Americans will demand religious evidence that fullfills are confirmation biases.

  • Arbitrary

    This celebration and worship of female sexuality is even more damaging, undeserved and uncalled for than the sex-negativity of the SJWs of the world.

    You people fucking trouble me.

  • Arbitrary

    “Honestly, Bayonetta is the best female super hero I’ve ever seen. I could gush about my fangirl crush on how cool/clever/in-control/sexy/slinky/amazing she is…”

    I personally find the most insufferable thing about Bayonetta to be how furiously she masturbates the egos of a particularly unlikable kind of woman.

  • Arbitrary

    “To deny ourselves that most important part of our being, that most beautiful part of life, is to basically sentence someone to prison. Sex is why we are all here, and it’s why we all continue to exist. Sex is why we work, why we fight, and why we struggle through each of our days.”

    “They deny themselves one of the greatest thrills we are given as members of the human race. Whether it’s with another person or with yourself, orgasms are beautiful things. The human body is a beautiful thing too. Celebrating it, admiring it, and being aroused by it is as normal as drinking water or breathing air. It’s what keeps us alive and prospering. It’s what keeps us happy.”

    Holy shit; you’re fucking cringeworthy.

    “Sex is natural, sex is good, not everybody does it, but everybody should.”

    Lots of things are “natural”, Carl Batchelor. Nature isn’t known to be a particularly merciful and pleasant place. Fucking listen to yourself.

  • Arbitrary

    “It’s not like film or books or TV are mature. For every Citizen Kane you have like fifty Adam Sandler “comedies.”

    This is not a good thing.

  • Arbitrary

    “Great article. I think eventually the SJW narrative will lose. We are now seeing active resistance to all of this nonsense, because our sex drive is something so natural that going against it is lunacy.”

    Lots of things are natural, but should be- or are forcibly stopped for the good of humanity.

  • Arbitrary

    “Stifling urges of the biological human body go be interested in sex really cannot be healthy. Both to the body and the mind.”

    Bullshit. Repressing the most selfish and base of our caveman-urges are our fucking duty as a species.

  • Arbitrary

    “Newsflash for the ignorant;we all get objectified daily.My boss sees me as a worker drone,i see him as a paycheck,i see the waitress as be there just to serve me and so on.”

    Oh, I see! That makes it perfectly okay, then!

  • Arbitrary

    “I’m gonna go real here, most hardcore gamers are kind of betas or at least nice guys and much more likely to seek female approval and put females on a pedestal or develop feelings for them, heck even the fictional ones, than acting like smooth players that can get anything they want out of women without their own emotions getting in the way and without caring about the women’s state at all.”

    This is probably why we hate them.

  • Obbliglol

    Not quite sure what you mean here, Bayo is a femme fatale with that Japanese “quirk” – she’s just a twist on an old concept, and I like that. Sorry if that makes me “unlikable”, kek.

  • Arbitrary

    “I play games to escape the real world, not be drawn back into it.”

    Christ; that’s fucking sad.

  • Arbitrary

    “I like them too much for that,”

    So you agree that sex isn’t something inherently nice or respectful.

  • Arbitrary

    Please stop talking.

  • Carl619

    I would prefer a million times this than the sex-negativity. Sex is something that people seek, except asexuals, becuase of how good it feels. There is nothing inherently bad except when is done by force.

    At least argue why this is more damaging, when we liberalized of the christianity puritanism we celebrated it until now.

  • Arbitrary

    “I think you’re reaching a LOT when you talk about how it’s the “most important part of our being” (unless you’re referring to the innate need for species to proliferate in which case yes), and a lot of this just comes across as a black and white opposite to the “enemy” with no nuance,”

    I agree. It’s fucking obnoxious.

  • Slayven19

    That is true, but that doesn’t mean you have to treat a human like you would treat things that aren’t alive. If you wanna take the argument further I guess its ok to kill since ya know, we are all objects.

  • Maiq TheLiar

    Nobody could have said it all better, I believe.

  • Shippoyasha

    Nothing ‘caveman’ about it. It’s just simple biology. And people can cater to it just fine without losing all sensibilities as a higher thinking species.

  • XZ

    In an interview with the female designer of Bayonetta, a rough translation of one of the points about Bayo is that she’s supposed to be sexually intimidating.

    As for “[masturbating] the egos of a particularly unlikable kind of woman,” the neo-progressive crowd hated her until very recently, where they then tried to co-opt her as another one of their “victories” because she was included in Smash (as if having her own games wasn’t enough or something?).

  • Guin

    Not everyone is perfect. You can write the most eloquent, convincing speech but sometimes a few Freudian slipups happen. It’s called being human.

  • Guin

    Spoken like a true PC drone :^)

  • Guin

    Keep up with the ad hominems. I’m sure someone will be convinced your of the better human being.

  • Guin

    Extra points if it’s anything coming from Japan because the men are “sex starved perverts” and their women actually act like women.

  • Guin

    It’s hard to justify lunacy when you’re defending text on a piece of paper.

  • Samuel Nathan

    Venus of Willendorf says hi!

  • Gipro1

    Fucking great read! I’m surprised I haven’t seen the 1950’s Comics code referenced until now.

  • John Doe

    That’s why they attack nerd culture. It was and is one of the few remaining bastions.

    Now they’ve taken Marvel, they’ve taken Star Wars….

  • MusouTensei

    No you dweebenheimer, continue reading, I love the fanservice of those games, the same fanservice femtards see as misogynistic (not sure what’s hateful about that is but whatever, they love throwing that word around which basically means hatred of women, but how am I hating the SK girls? I love Senran Kagura, and Bayonetta too, and Onechanbara, and DoA(X) etc.)

    The thing is just that I won’t actively search for Senran Kagura hentai, fanart that maybe shows more than the games, sure, I also have no problem with those hentais existing, I just prefer hentais with original characters myself. I think my biggest problem is that game/anime characters used in unofficial hentais are often acting out of character, it feels more like hentais of cosplayers dressing and acting as those characters really and as someone who spent over 100 hours with Senran Kagura games it would just bother me. Now if Kenichiro Takaki would create official Senran Kagura hentai, that would be another story.

    On the other hand though, I’m currently trying to make my own little game with original characters and would love for them to become as popular that people would create fanarts and hentais with them, like checking the newest stuff on e-hentai and suddenly seeing my own characters used would be absolutely flattering.

    In the end I’m anti censorship and pro artistic freedom, in my opinion every game has the right to exist, and if I don’t like it, I will just not play it.

  • Hell, the film industry had the same bullshit happen to them too with the Hays Code/Motion Picture Production Code, and it was just as destructive. You’d think after all the pre-videogame mediums that have had eras of mass censorship, these people would learn that censorship not the way to go and just doesn’t work.

  • The psychological effects of sex negativity has always fascinated me. Which is why I enjoyed reading this article as much as I did. Very informative, and honestly, kinda thought provoking.

  • jdgalt

    Fortunately, the good guys get to have our social media too. Just be careful not to host it on a site that will honor SJWs’ demands to take it down, because they’ll certainly try.

  • jdgalt

    Read Chinese history. They’re trying to put the US and Europe through Mao’s Cultural Revolution.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Oh don’t mind me. Just pointing out the irony of feminists insults. Wasn’t a slight against you sir.

  • jdgalt

    But the best news is that game publishing, like publishing in other media, is now so cheap to do that the SJWs can’t keep us out of that business ourselves — unless we let them get away with regulating it.

  • jdgalt

    It’s the new “Baptists and Bootleggers alliance.” (For the foreigners among us — this is a reference to the Prohibition era in the US.)

  • jdgalt

    Yes, it does. Deal with it.

  • jdgalt

    I think Japan is more of a target because some of their characters are young enough to be illegal in the US. It’s outrageous that any country would criminalize fantasy (when not actually made by abusing girls).

  • jdgalt

    It would be fun to watch them try it. Japan’s culture defends itself in ways that the US isn’t willing to do. Feminism will not gain a foothold there anytime soon. It’s un-Japanese.

  • jdgalt

    The whole point of the article is “don’t be a wet blanket.”

  • jdgalt

    You have a problem with masculinity itself. That makes you the sexist. And it’s probably because you’re too ugly to get any. Eat your heart out!

  • jdgalt

    A similar (but reversed) game for straight woman would simply not sell, because most of them don’t get aroused visually. That’s not sexism, it’s just a fact.

    By all means, prove me wrong! Market a game like that, and bravo to anyone who enjoys it!

  • Kainevil Rc

    Are you ugly?

  • Guin

    Which kinda leads into their thinking that “fat is beautiful” or whatever mantra they can come up with to make their disgusting bodies sound good. Call me a creeper if you want, but I much rather prefer the company of an innocent little girl over some “enlightened” old hag. I’m prepared to be called a pedo rapist when I get caught playing house with her.

  • Kainevil Rc

    What the fuck? Since when did a Video-Game became Reality? Get your shit together son. This is fantasy. A way to relieve ourselves from the shitty overrated and prefabricated system you love so much. I also didn’t know that you are the official Spokesperson for every woman out there.

  • Kainevil Rc

    Agreed.

  • Kainevil Rc

    Baby trolls lel

  • Kainevil Rc

    What if women decide to objectify themselves??? I know A SHITLOAD of those LOL. There isn’t some illuminati confirmed conspiracy or supreme patriarchy controlling their thoughts shit involved though. They think Feminazis are probably ugly, insecure and jealous and just being childish.

  • Kainevil Rc

    Funny that you say that. The majority of weebs are actually harmless and very shy.

  • Kainevil Rc

    Talking about Real Men and Women in a site that talks about Video-Games. Mmmmm….LOL!!!!

  • Alex Drake

    The only cringeworthy thing here is your trolling

  • Alex Drake

    Oh fuck off you sheltered little kid

  • Alex Drake

    No he’s just a shitty troll

  • Yosharian

    What’s your point?

  • Yosharian

    I hope you’re joking, otherwise you are showing yourself to be very ignorant.

  • Yosharian

    I’m sure he didn’t mean anything by it. If anything it was a pedantic correction on my part, not a criticism of his main argument.

  • Antoinant

    SJW pls go

  • Yosharian

    Care to explain why I’m an SJW for stating an empirical fact?

  • Antoinant

    “ur very ignorant”
    Were you also going to say “pls educate urself” too?

  • Yosharian

    Why would I say ‘please educate yourself’ when I stated the facts that I’m using in my argument in my original post? It’s a statistical fact that not everyone masturbates – most people do (and a lot of people pretend they don’t!), and it’s a perfectly healthy thing to do, but nevertheless it’s a fact that some don’t. The existence of Asexuals is also an empirical fact – people who are by definition completely uninterested in masturbation and sexuality.

    Using a phrase like ‘you are ignorant’ doesn’t make me an SJW. It makes me a user of the English language. Context matters.

  • Antoinant

    For someone who claim to know about asexuals, you sure do a piss job about it.

  • Yarfy

    Put more boobies in video games!

  • Ignacio

    I’m just defending the point of view my female friends have pointed out to me over and over. And there are no women in this discussion (wonder why that would be?), so I chose to be the voice of some of them. Not all of course.

    Addressing your other point. We all know what’s real and what’s not regarding characters, settings and stories. But it becomes more difficult when we’re talking about subtle behaviors.

    Also, as Oscar WIlde famously pointed out, Life imitates Art, and not the other way around, as would be commonly assumed. He explored this idea in his essay “The decay of lying” in which he basically talks about how real life, or the “natural world” seeks to manifest the emotion it saw in art. So each generation takes something from art and transfers it into the real world. Keep this idea in mind when you watch popular tv shows and try to see how they have impacted society… it’s amazing.

  • Ignacio

    I didn’t say eliminate.I said reimagine because this kind of immature sex is the prevalent face of the game medium. I think it should be a niche, not the rule.Then more women would be willing to play games too. Or you prefer that this be a male medium only? (Well, females who are willing to be sexualized would also be allowed.)

    If you do artwork that’s fine. You’re catering to a specific audience who is only looking for that. As I said, the problem are games because games usually just throw in immature sex in an otherwise excellent product and alienate a part of the population who doesn’t feel comfortable with that, and generate twisted expectations from the other half.

    So, to sum up. Yes, it’s a personal choice we all make. But it affects society and not just ourselves. If you still don’t feel like it’s something worth changing, that’s fine. But consider why other media don’t have so much criticism, or why there are so few women in gaming (ask them yourself what they think about sex in games, too).

  • ArtimusGG

    Where are your pictures of men in games who are portrayed sexually?

    Oh that’s right, there aren’t many. You miss the point in your editorial by categorizing the gamergate movement as anti sex. It’s not, and several of us are not anti sex atheists as you describe in the article.

    It’s about questioning whether games should move away from having women as sexual show pieces, as eye candy, and maybe finding some alternative that’s better.

    I have Master Chief, Marcus, Link, and other characters that are male for me to relate to, as a man, in video games. I also love Samus, Zelda, and more recently Lara Croft. The difference is that beating the game on 100% never had Marcus in a bikini, like Samus, and that Link is always a great hero capable of standing toe to toe with evil while Zelda is reduced to being captured and held prisoner all the time. In OoT one of my favorite games ever, Zelda hides from Ganondorf as Shiek for most of the game and even fights with Link in Kakariko Village for a bit. But as soon as she reveals herself to be Zelda a magical diamond prison takes her out of the game. What?

    I’m an avid gamer, will be for the rest of my life. And I’m jot ashamed to be advocating for some change in how this medium I cherish tends to portray women. I’m not anti sex, I’m not atheist, and I am more than comfortable with the human body.

  • Dgnfly

    there is a simple solution instead off ppl like you whining about it just don´t buy the games cause according to ppl like you we are all rapist before we done anything just for playing these sort off games.

    also we dont give a ass what you like we aren´t forcing you to buy these games we want you like the rest off the whino´s to just STFU and let us enjoy our games the way they are meant to be your forcing crap on us not the other way around.

  • ArtimusGG

    Wow so harsh! Really hurt my feelings. I guess me expressing my opinion on this subject really bothers you. I suggest you look into that it doesn’t sound healthy.

  • ArtimusGG

    Yea I’m sure the African Americans and womens’ suffrage movement sacrifice goats to their gods. Both highly successful social justice movements.

  • Antoinant

    Spoken like a true beta borderline-SJW faggot

  • ArtimusGG

    You’re ignorance is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!

    It’s not okay period.

  • Antoinant

    “I’m just defending the point of view my female friends have pointed out to me over and over. And there are no women in this discussion (wonder why that would be?), so I chose to be the voice of some of them. Not all of course.”
    >so I chose to be the voice of some of them.

  • Ignacio

    Wow, that really decimated my stance.

    Please, if your argumentative capabilities are limited to insults and categorizing people into your own made up stereotypes which make you feel better about yourself, then we have nothing to talk about.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    -I’m just defending the point of view my female friends have pointed out
    to me over and over. And there are no women in this discussion (wonder
    why that would be?), so I chose to be the voice of some of them.

    Nice misogyny there. I bet you just love taking agency from women. Here’s a tip. Direct some of your female friends to this discussion so they can give their input. Most people will say the same thing though: If they want more games directed at women then they can get off their asses and make them.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    There are thousands of games without sexual tones. There are hundreds of games without violence as well. If women choose to focus solely on the games with sexual imagery and sexual tones then they are robbing themselves through their own ignorance.

  • Antoinant

    I’m not the one trying to speak in the behalf of a group of people and make them look like a bunch of disabled people.

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    You assumed there were no women in this duscussion. You’re just as guilty of stereotyping.

  • Carl619

    What you are saying in the first paragraph can be solved like it is done in japanese media, and was said by kiririn here, they make products specific for girls, like boys band, BL manga, games and anything that gives them benefits.

    That there videogames like senran kagura where ecchi it’s one of the most important points in the game will not imped videogames like the witcher or dragon age. Right now free market solves that problem because anyone can make the game they want, but there are people who wants to promote that videogames must push an agenda.

    I just don’t see the point where existence of videogames like DOAX or Senran kagura act as if it is the only type of games that be made when that is a lie.

    PS: the editorial says that gamergate fight against sex-negativity.

  • Ignacio

    Besides your agency argument being one hell of a logic fallacy, no woman I know is willing to put up with the kind of shit arguments guys have been throwing my way. Already asked them. They are sick of chauvinistic senseless arguments

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    You claim chauvanism but assumed the people defending this have no experience with women in reality. You also claim chauvanism and even said yourself “And there are no women in this discussion (wonder why that would be?)” You’re the one being chauvanistic. Assuming that no women would defend this or join this discussion, a claim you have zero fucking proof of. You’re a hypocrite and you deserve all the hate directed at you.

  • Foguinho Loulko

    Could anybody tell me the name of EVERY game on those images, aside from Bayonneta, DOA, One Piece and Metal Gear of couser.

  • Ignacio

    I didn’t make universal claims. *Some* men have no experience. There are *almost*no women in this discussion. Should I add quantifiers to *all* my sentences? I checked *most* of the comments before commenting myself and I found *approximately* 2 women. Out of *approximately* 300 comments. Even *most* comments defending women were male. I know *all* my personal friends who feel like I do don’t feel like arguing with random people on the internet. It’s *very* frustrating when you have things at stake.

  • So let me ask you this. Should ALL GAMES (and I mean ALL) have a so called “respectable” depiction of sex? Should they replace one form of alienation for another form of it?

    >But consider why other media don’t have so much criticism,
    Bullshit. They get just as much criticism as games do, but they know to ignore the crap and move on thanks in large part to those mediums in one form or another already having eras of censorship under their belt.

    >…why there are so few women in gaming (ask them yourself what they think about sex in games, too).

    I and many other people on Niche Gamer know full well that that’s a load of bull. You say that as if there’s a vast minority of women. It’s actually, for this year, 44%. Check it. http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf (Page 5)

    And of all the women I know who game (which are many from college) what they think of sex in games, They either like it or don’t care.

    To answer your question, “Or you prefer that this be a male medium only?”, I say bring in anyone. Man or woman. Cleanest of the clean to lewdest of the lewd. And not just singular games that cater to all of us, but multiple games across multiple genres with many different levels of content.

  • Johnathon

    If a child does come to see such content it’s not the problem of the industry it is the issue of the parents who are buying this for their children and treating games like a baby sitter.

    It’s not the devs fault that a kid seen a fake tiddy but the parents that bought them the media with the content that is obviously rated high enough where that content is possible to appear then not monitor what they are doing.

    I was raised where I could only obtain media and watch content that was made for my age and I still find myself here with prudes who can’t seem to understand that the devs did everything legit and within the rules to have the content in their media that they have released it with.

    They made their media looked at and made the content of it rated fairly under multiple boards that’s job is to make sure that the people are educated with what could be inside the game, if children are seeing this content then it is not the devs fault and they shouldn’t change a thing, the issue is with the parents that allowed it to be seen by the children in the first place.

    But oh no it can’t be an issue with the parents it’s them dirty devs who made sexual content in their obviously high rated game game that I the parent of the child bought for the child.

    And for adults who complain when their is sexual content in a game for any other reason, just simply grow up you prudes you’ve had years to do now give results, other people are adults and if they want this media that can have sexual content in it, it’s your job as an adult to understand that you have no right to stop them from wanting it and as long as it’s not illegal no right to try and have it taken from them.

  • It’s in their filenames.

    The remaining, from top to bottom, are Senran Kagura Estival Versus, Bullet Witch, Tales of Beseria, and Omega Labyrinth.

  • Ignacio

    No, I clearly said this kind of sex representation should be niche rather than the rule (especially in Japanese releases where it’s totally the rule)

    The 44% of women in gaming is misleading. That number takes into account mobile gamers, or people who just stick to puzzle games such as the ones in facebook, which have 0 sex in them anyway. I’m not saying that’s not gaming, but that it’s not relevant to this discussion.

    And I’d ask girls who don’t play games why they don’t play them. You’d be surprised how often they don’t play because since they were young they were told it’s a male medium and the senseless portrayal of women and violence in them just reinforced that idea. I’m not saying it’s always like that, but they are truly put off by that.

  • If only I saw how he was responding to you guys so far, I would’ve left it at my first reply. Ignacio’s gone well into the deep end of the kool-aid pool, and there are no life rings in sight.

  • Okay.

    One more question, and I’ll be off on my Holly Jolly Christmas way.

    In the following link, what do you think of these sets of rules, particularly the ones regarding depictions of women?
    http://www.comicartville.com/comicscode.htm

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    -There are *almost*no women in this discussion.

    Still making assumptions. Just because they don’t reveal their gender doesn’t mean you should assume they are a male.

    – I know *all* my personal friends who feel like I do don’t feel like arguing with random people on the internet.

    Then why even mention them? If they can’t handle arguments and debates like actual adults then they have no stake in the discussion.

  • Ignacio

    I don’t need to make assumptions. Many commentators can be identified by their profile picture, username, or the fact that they mention they are male.

    I mentioned them not because they aren’t adult enough to discuss. But because they are completely exhausted from talking with men who won’t make even the slightest concession about their hobby having a problem. They have seen time and time again their efforts succumb before the idiocy of many people. Besides, it’s Christmas Eve… not everybody has the time for this now

  • Ubrokemygrill?

    -I don’t need to make assumptions.
    I don’t understand. Are you saying your opinion needs to be taken as fact?
    -Many commentators can be identified by their profile picture, username
    This doesn’t prove anything about the sex of the poster. You’re backpedaling hard now.
    -I mentioned them not because they aren’t adult enough to discuss. But
    because they are completely exhausted from talking with men who won’t
    make even the slightest concession about their hobby having a problem.
    They clearly aren’t adult enough if they can’t tackle these “problems” head first and need a man to do it for them.
    -Besides, it’s Christmas Eve… not everybody has the time for this now
    Either leave the debate or continue. Don’t deflect in a vague attempt to dissuade people from the discussion.

  • Sopa de Caracol

    You can tell just from looking at Carl’s face that he’s paid for sex at least 10 times in his lifetime.

  • jdgalt

    “Arbitrary” is much too shrill to be male. Or non-fat.

  • jdgalt

    So has most every guy. But the smart ones at least got it for a price that doesn’t include either a lifetime meal ticket or giving up their own self-respect.

  • Dgnfly

    No it doesen’t but your just whining that we need to conform to the same narrow minded view you share all we care for is to keep things as they are and not forcing anything upon anybody.

    it’s folks like you who whine we need to change not the other way around. it’s ppl like you who seems to be butthurt that we enjoy these games.

    also you whine about why there is no sexualistion off men in games. there are enough FF7 now get’s censored because off it while we don’t care that men get sexualised while woman whine non-stop about their body and we don’t even wanna touch em those whale like woman with their complaining.

    Hell even Kratos is the pinnacle off sexualizing men he’s nearly completely nude, hell then even snake in metal gear solid is sexualising men cause he hardly wears any upper clothing. would mean sexualizing men in video games. but we don’t whine about it cause we don’t care.

    those woman are just butthurt they can’t chain us down like their SJW boyfriends.

    If you think that’s harsh you better hurry to a safe space then. or even better maybe announce a trigger warning cause you might get a blackout.

    cause Facts go beyond SJW and Feminist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWJT0egzAy0

  • Dgnfly

    They twisted it in another article making us look like we are Sexist again for wishing things don’t get censored because off whining SJW and Feminist. so basicly they playing the victim game again.

    in the article they whine about we should criticize potrayal of woman in gaming but basicly that’s where it stay it’s not allowed the other way around so a bias article by crave online.

  • Hines

    I practically learned how to read while going down this article. My life has been changed dramatically.

  • It is true, which is why most Otome games focus on caracterisation instead of straight up nudism. Although there are popular examples like Free! and that one DS game where you can wash cute boys with the stylus; I forgot its name but my sister used to play it a lot.

  • SteveAbbott

    If you think the people calling for a stop to the continued objectification and stereotyping of women in pop culture and video games, or the propagation of damaging beauty standards, or the re-enforcing of the concept of sex as a commodity or reward through the same media are doing so because they think early exposure to porn or nudity makes you a rapist… you’re either stupid or not listening.

  • MFlorian

    “I cannot tell you how many times he said, quote, ‘The world would be
    better if nobody wore clothes.’ Feel free to crack jokes about it, so
    long as you stop to think about it and realize how close to the truth
    that statement is.”

    We would all die of hypothermia the first time winter hit.

  • MFlorian

    “Ted’s idea is that giving children access to guns at an early age effectively ‘de-mystifies’ them, and prevents them from becoming obsessed with them later in life when curiosity will, undoubtedly, drive them to it.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI

    …………this guy?

  • MFlorian

    “His theory, which I believe he has proven to be correct, is that if you
    expose children to firearms at a young age and teach them how to
    properly use them, the world would be a considerably safer place.”

    Citation needed.

  • Lao Zoot

    Thank you for this. So much. Not only did all of this need to be said, but it helped me to really balance my perception of growing up in the 80s. Everything you talked about was a perfect reflection of my own childhood. Sometimes it’s easy to forget how laid-back that era was; one tends to think of the Moral Majority, Tipper Gore and the PMRC, etc, when looking back on the 80s. But it was a truly magical time to be alive, and I think you hit on a large part of the reason why being the hedonism resulting from the underlying current of fatalism (“The Russians are gonna nuke us any day now, so why not have fun til they do?”).

  • Joshua Cuyos

    Hah! In yo’ face, conservative hypocrite moralfags! So much for being “pure, holy, sacred,” huh? Yeah right, cuz scantily-clad women are a much bigger threat than a failing economy or, better yet, actual people who do real harm on others…. :v

    C’mon, how about stopping all this hypocrisy and let’s sit down and have a nice warm chat with some nice warm AV? C’mon, I’ll be generous with it….. ;) (Of course, learn to control those desires too.)

    And if you continue forcing your Dark Age ways on us, then I say this: *in Sailor Moon’s voice* In the name of Hentai Kamen, I shall punish you!

    *****************************************************************

    “Admittedly, it does make sense. When kids are denied something, when they are told something is off-limits and forbidden, do they obey their peers and stay away from the unauthorized item? No, they seek it out and experiment with it. This is doubly worse when they tinker with something they were never exposed to or taught to fear.” – I guess that also explains high birth rates in some countries.

    “The really sad part? Between the two of them, they have five out-of-wedlock children and one of them is now living on the streets. Meanwhile, perverted little me didn’t even begin dating until a year after high school and had enough common sense to know how to use prophylactics once I did. Though it was sad hearing about the two neighbor girls I fondly remembered playing with, it’s a perfect example of what happens when sanctimonious puritans force their unrealistic standards and disciplines on children who desperately need to be educated and exposed to the mysteries of sex before they try to find out on their own.” – And this is why I sometimes pity my peers who are already parents at such an early age….

    “Sex is why we are all here, and it’s why we all continue to exist. Sex is why we work, why we fight, and why we struggle through each of our days.” -So does this mean conservative moralfags are not born the natural way which is why they oppose any sexual stuff? XD

  • Carl619

    I don’t know if they call you a rapist for that, but disagreeing with them they already call you a rapist or enemy of women. Just look what happened to play asia for selling DOAX 3, people calling for a boycott and the desire of a baknrupt. Beauty standards have been propagated from the beginning of our civilization, even now people who call for new healthier standards and replace the older ones are doing the same thing that people use the older ones. Media only uses the ones that makes them sell more.

    If people who want to change media, instead of shaming and insulting people who want to buy games like DOAX or Senran Kagura and prohibiting these games, just buy the games that promotes thing you like and leave other people buy things they like, because people
    differentiate reality and fantasy.

  • Foguinho Loulko

    Thank you very much and merry christmas, may the force be with u

  • Ichigo Musuko

    I can say this, my first run in with sex in video games was with Dragon Age Origins then later, Fable 3 and Saints Row IV. I can snicker to that because it’s actually funny. Having sex out of the blue and you can only wish that would happen more in real life. Now on my Youtube channel, I’ve done a few visual novels that have a few naughty bits and they often leave me red in the face, some I keep in if they’re slightly clothed, cut if they full on show buff but I still enjoy it. And mind you, it’s a feature I do at times because there’s a little something for everyone. I do mainly RPGs, Hack N’ Slash, Platformers, Doujins etc. Not just popular games but more like games we remember growing and now considered obscure. Most times we tend to forget why we play video games to begin with and for the most part, to get away from reality. I’m used to sex, hell it sits in the back of my head everyday and I think of it. I’m just sick of the whiners going about what they don’t like and they tend to forget..there’s a LOT to choose from and sex doesn’t have to be an issue if they don’t care for it. If it’s there, it’s there, got no problem, same as if it’s not there. I play games for the enjoyment of it, not any of the bs that these fools tend to needlessly blow up for.

  • jdgalt

    Show me an “entitled” guy and I’ll show you a woman with Platinum Pussy Syndrome.

    The cure for which is to legalize sex work. Let’s see how high she can keep the price against cut-rate competition.

  • jdgalt

    The best I could find was Nugent’s page at the NRA, which has several of his quotes about guns and kids.

    http://nraontherecord.org/ted-nugent/

  • OGRE

    Amazing article man. Its like you went into my brain, and pulled out what ive always been thinking.. then put it to text. Merry Christmas, btw.

  • PrincessOfTheCrystal

    Articles like this bother me because they’re based around telling people what they want to hear, that the status quo or a previous status quo is fine and we don’t need to challenge the assumptions we were raised with. In particular the sort of people it’s giving claps on the back to are the sort of people who spend a lot of their time making life hell for people like me when complaining when they’re criticised in turn.

    I have something I want to write in response but I know as soon as I speak up I’ll be called and SJW and the same image macros about privilege and TRIGGERED will come out, generally making a mockery of the life experiences of people like me. All this phrasing progressive sorts as aggressive, talk about thin skins and censorship when you’re ready at a seconds notice to tear into a vulnerable person and shame them into silence.

    Most of us are willing to have a real discussion but the fact is there’s never been a point at which people like me haven’t been marginalised within gaming. if you think you’re being censored – you’ve no idea what it was like to be an outspoken trans woman in the mid 00s, or even now. The idea that the people finding issue with things like this is the sheltered ones is completely false – it’s you.

  • PrincessOfTheCrystal

    The problem is that you’re so vastly and impossibly biased in the opposite direction.

    You say the gender narrative is fucked, but the fact is that there is still a proportionately low number of main female characters in games compared to actual women players. These things don’t come out of nowhere, and don’t have no effect. There’s also a lot of problem with how women are depicted(and not just in terms of sexuality).

    But in fact, no, the fact that we’d even CONSIDER misogyny or representation as an issue means it’s PC gone mad. This is a well documented issue, cognitive bias – for example men are more likely to perceive a discussion as being biased in favour of women even if they’re speaking less than 50% of the time.

    Because anti-SJW/SQCs are ultimately anti-critical fundamentalists they never consider their own biases or take part in rational discourse. Contrast with feminist/social justice circles where a lot of us have to read stuff that’s not comfortable for us to read, and come to terms with the fact that we don’t know everything about everyone’s experiences. We have to learn new things – SQC philosophy is based around the idea they have nothing to learn, nothing to change.

  • Patrick Toworfe

    While I understand why you feel that way, I fundamentally disagree with most of what you’ve said. I appreciate you took the time to illustrate your point, however, and added some theory to it also. Please consider the fact that you can’t know everything about myself, my experiences, my ideas and my allegiances based on one wall of text alone. Regardless, fair comment.

  • PrincessOfTheCrystal

    you can’t really “disagree” with the fact that there’s a low number of female game characters overall though. that’s statistical fact. it’s probably a little better nowadays, but there’s still a strong bias towards having the cis het white males people mention us resenting so much.

    people may disagree that this is a problem(conveniently) but that’s another argument. it’s still a thing.

  • Alistair

    Isn’t it ironic Carl that the persons who are telling gamers that they sexist mysognist, sick of the head etc etc.

    That they what their think is LAW & also think that they SJWSs are alright. They in denial.

    They the ones that sick of the head, it’s called a illness. They can’t accept the facts.

  • Alistair

    I agree about “you can’t know everything about myself” the same goes with me so How does one feel about utter complete strangers that have not a say in the matter, they not the rating boards.

    Only the rating boards have a voice. So I take complete utter strangers telling me I got no mind I shouldn’t played these kind of games i found that quite offensive.

    The worse part their get paid doing the said deed.

  • jdgalt

    Past habit creates a presumption of reasonableness. And extraordinary demands on other people require extraordinary proof. (Apologies to David Hume)

  • jdgalt

    It’s not other people’s duty to change just because there’s something wrong with you.

  • PrincessOfTheCrystal

    Given your name is galt I’m pretty sure something’s wrong with you bruv

  • PrincessOfTheCrystal

    “men have issues too”

    and we have countless movies, games, books about men’s problems. it’s not as if they go unnoticed.

  • jdgalt

    No one objects to you trying to get some games made that you would like. If you SJWs were only doing that, there would be no controversy. Just don’t try to take ours away.

  • PrincessOfTheCrystal

    “if you SJWs”

    jesus christ

    also, you have COUNTLESS games for you. there are very few games, for example, for a queer trans woman such as myself. and few that deliver the same sort of narrative for women as they do for men.

  • Meth3rlence

    I’m with you. Have more games aimed at non-cis white male audiences. Have millions of them. I don’t think the writer of the article (based on what I gather from the article, I may be wrong) or myself are against that in any form. It’s this need to restrict the games aimed at the cis white males (aka showing a bit of boobage). How does (and I’m going to use this game as it’s mentioned in the article) DoAX3 have any bearing on you getting your games out? Have both.

    But I’m totally with you. More women in games. Stronger female characters, female writers, games aimed at women/children/trans/homo/bi/tentaclemonsters/whoever. I never understood how having a game written by a guy or featuring a male main character was a detractor to that goal. That’s my biggest issue with most SJWs – it’s more about censorship than freedom. No one should want censorship. :(

  • PrincessOfTheCrystal

    Most “SJWs” don’t want censorship at all. There may be some instances of boycotts, but they’re really instances of protest against a wider trend rather than saying “we don’t think a game like this should exist ever”.

    Keep in mind that actual *real* censorship still keeps LGBT folk and certain issues out of movies, cartoons, and video games in many cases. I’m generally not interested in western discussions of censorship, free speech etc. because it’s not really about helping out marginalised voices, but quite the opposite.

  • PrincessOfTheCrystal

    I constantly get stalked and attacked just for existing.

  • jdgalt

    BS. “Censorship” means that government did it or ordered it, and the only faction pushing for censorship are SJWs. There isn’t any censorship against SJWs outside of Muslim countries. And the game industry will produce anything that sells unless government stops them.

  • jdgalt

    Sorry to hear it. Move to San Francisco, we’d love to have you.

  • jdgalt

    They certainly go unaddressed, because people like you marginalize us. “Social justice” is the opposite of actual justice, which is what matters.

  • hurin

    Doesn’t queer trans simply mean you’re gay? All the idiotic words you people use is why you’re not taken seriously except by other SJW’s.

  • hurin

    And then the SJW ran out of arguments and began harassing people. Happens every single time.

  • hurin

    I am pretty sure, he isn’t referring to the legal definition of stalking and attacking, but just to some Internet drama.
    I am surprised he didn’t include a link to his Patron.

  • hurin

    Can confirm. Recently Slimgur was taken down by people posting CP and contacting their host.

  • Brandon Wolfley

    “Be the change you want to see.” Game design is more accessible then it’s ever been and anyone who’s willing to put in the time and effort to learn can make the games they wanna see.

    The great people of history we still talk about today weren’t the ones who talked about how much they wished things would change.

    On a personal note though, as a lover of good stories, I’d love to have more characters of all walks of life.

  • Quezz

    If sex is natural and good…why is this article all about male sexuality with pictures of boobs everywhere? All I got from this is that more sex for boys will make them behave. That is pretty much the message I heard in the 80’s as a female gamer of the same age as the author. Women’s sexuality was out of the picture, and sex was thought of as a panacea to violence. How messed up is that?

    This is not about “sex-negative” messages — this is about contesting the objectification of women. If you as heterosexual men can only learn to behave by objectifying women…then you’re not behaving, you’re just being placated into behaving slIghtly better than total crap. You need to do better than that, whatever decade you were born in.

  • Immahnoob

    It works the same way for females. You didn’t read the article.

    And you’re sexually inept if you believe you have nothing “sexual” for your sex LOL.

  • Carl619

    Where did you get that we behave with more sex? if there are more boobs is because it is what will be censored by PC as in every despiction of a tit there are swj wanting to censor it.

    There are no studies that proves that men treat women as object because of games as it was tried before with porn with the same results. They proved that men can differentiate between reality and fantasy.

  • anon9370

    If you don’t realize that we’re referring to the modern trends of twatter activist privilege police such as “identity politics”, and that “progressive stack” nonsense in a mocking manner when we say “social justice”, all I can say is you, sir, are a dimwit. Real social justice is a good thing that is still sorely lacking in certain places, namely third world countries where women, gays, and infidels are still being stoned to death. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e75ef900c107d3c2fab056f9c479bd2027174860166c811aa7e3b9b2f4da4a2d.jpg

  • Alex Drake

    completely missed the point and focused on your blatant agenda. Typical of the problem that caused this sort of article to be written in the first place

  • jdgalt

    “Don’t objectify women” is nothing but code for “Male sexuality must be suppressed.” FOAD.

  • This isn’t about sex. It’s about objectification. It’s also about opposition to a frightening dynamic that some male gamers espouse: the idea that more sex – less violence. The two are unrelated, and it’s really dangerous to say that any correlation exists between the two.

    If this article were truly about sex and making it more available to all gamers…there would be less boobs and more representations of all kinds of attractiveness. Where are the bare chested men and naked schoolboys? I’m sorry Carl, but all you’re doing here is making excuses for your behavior, and suggesting the same tired arguments about what men need that I’ve been hearing since I became a gamer around the same time you did. You want sex for YOU, and don’t really care about the scary parallels you’ve made with it. It’s privilege and isolation at its poorest.

    Let’s see how quickly this post gets removed…I’ve been following the thread, and it’s clear you’re deleting opinions like mine in order to avoid the opposition to your narrative. It’s unsporting, at the very least.

  • This article is arbitrating what is “mature or not” as well, but you don’t seem to mind that so much.

  • This isn’t about sex. It’s about objectification. It’s also about opposition to a frightening dynamic that some male gamers espouse: the idea that more sex – less violence. The two are unrelated, and it’s really dangerous to say that any correlation exists between the two.

    If this article were truly about sex and making it more available to all gamers…there would be less boobs and more representations of all kinds of attractiveness. Where are the bare chested men and naked schoolboys? I’m sorry Carl, but all you’re doing here is making excuses for your behavior, and suggesting the same tired arguments about what men need that I’ve been hearing since I became a gamer around the same time you did. You want sex for YOU, and don’t really care about the scary parallels you’ve made with it. It’s privilege and isolation at its poorest.

    Let’s see how quickly this post gets removed…I’ve been following the thread, and it’s clear you’re deleting opinions like mine in order to avoid the opposition to your narrative. It’s unsporting, at the very least.

  • Antoinant

    SJW faggot in deguise
    “Let’s see how quickly this post gets removed..”
    trying to paint himself as a victim too

  • Carl619

    And she is repeating her comment 3 times at the moment.

  • Alistair

    It so easy to remedy if you want other games to suit to other gender market it called KICKSTARTER. “We not taking away your games” that a bloody lie when I hear one,

    No not only do they’re bitch & bawl about certain games, name-calling etc etc. In the end Devs got no Fucking choice but to heavy censored a game.

    By the way they are SJW games out there on the market already do you see me ask them to be pulled no I do not as it not for me to say what is right or wrong.

    Would I buy a SJW games properly Not but that my opinion not a Force opinion. That the difference from gamers & SJWs.

  • Alistair

    That another failure of SJWs if you lost the argument try to piss off your opponents.

  • Ohhh, nothing gets deleted here at Niche Gamer. Free Speech reigns supreme, and stupidity is remembered forever.

  • Alistair

    OMG we gone though a lot havn’t we been called sexist, mysognist, terrorists, no good neck beard basement dwellers & strong men rescue weaken women tropes, boobies, lolis non boobies etc etc of fictional characters.

    Add the word objectify to the mix & what have we got a right mess how the hell can you objectify fictional characters we can’t be mysognist to them.

    You can’t be sexist, racist to them. The angerment about objectify as examples only SJWs would have say that.

    The real question for SJWs to answer is if you not taking away our games.

    Is it legally right to bully Devs by poisoned reviews, pressure lobbying, so much that the game be.

    A. Canned

    B.censored.

    C. Banned.

    Don’t hold your breath though they’re never will say anything that undermined themseves.

  • Alex Drake

    No one’s buying your bullshit agenda, dearie.

  • I chose all the images, actually. I was considering adding some guy stuff in all honesty, but it was my own personal choice as the editor. Carl just gave me the text. In hindsight, I should have.

    FWIW we never delete posts like this, only when people cross the legal line (piracy, child porn, etc).

  • Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie

    I’m glad to say we don’t delete comments unless they cross the legal line, so your opinion will be preserved for everyone to see.

    Comments you do see deleted were deleted by the commenter themselves.

  • Josh Bray

    Did someone ask for half naked husbandos? I have half naked husbandos :3

  • dsadsada

    “the bare chested men”

    Everywhere. They usually don’t count though because when people point to them, they get written off as male power fantasies.

    “naked schoolboys”

    In practically any Japanese game that has schoolboys and hotsprings/beaches/pools/bath houses/etc.

    “you’re deleting opinions like mine”
    Doesn’t happen here. This isn’t gematsu or kotaku and the likes.

  • Alistair

    I discover a flaw in your commet “they do it in a childish, immature, (unreal way)” what do they want unchildish, mature, (real way).

    It a way known fact that SJWs want that to happen & you just confirm it well done. You do know the meaning of escapism that what we want from video games like movies.

    Another failure that cartoon fictional characters are Not bloody real.

    How can you make a game about real life if cartoon characters are drawn or computer generated graphics but still not look real enough.

  • Another Tumblr drone.

  • C4

    This won’t be removed.

    More or less “sexualized” dudes in Japanese games is a complex topic. Just look at how dudes look and act in Otome VNs. This is how a large portion of girls wants dudes to be displayed in games just as dudes want lolis, boobs or bikinis (or all 3). Then you have characters like for example Tidus in FFX which are designed with that audience in mind, just as Quiet or the ladies from One Piece are for other audiences.

  • Fucking word salade is what it is.

  • Crystal Lee

    Not at all since sexual orientation (such as gay, queer, lesbian, bisexual, ect) is entirely different than gender identity (such as trans*, nonbinary, gender-queer, ect). By using specific words it allows people to better better understood.

  • Crystal Lee

    I think this a sweeping over-generalization of all social justice activists. There are plenty of SJWs who are also supporters of sexual liberation for everyone, whether they identify as het, bi, gay, fluid, ect.

    That’s not to say that there are not SJWs who aren’t crying out to censor sex to “protect children” and “prevent rape”. All I’m saying is that just because you support social justice doesn’t mean you’re anti-het-sex.

  • Crystal Lee

    You do realize that the organizations that are working against the sexism towards men on issues such as rape and parental rights are fighting for “social justice” right? Social justice isn’t just queer issues or just POC issues, it is also het cis male issues too.

  • hurin

    I understand that you people are insane, and should be treated as such.

  • Crystal Lee

    I do not understand how lumping every person who has ever worked to better society together as inssne is remotely correct. Unless of course progress in of itself is insane. Perhaps the ability for women to vote is ludicrous or men to have the ability to lay claim to their children is lunacy. Maybe the right to a public education is crazy. I’m not sure what, of the many, social justice issues over the decades you’re referring to at this point.

    All I wanted to do was point out that who you are attracted to and who you believe you are as a person are not the same things. But instead of using this as a learning opportunity for both of us in a clean debate, you resort to name-calling instead.

  • hurin

    In the not so distant past people who “worked to better society” would exterminate Jews and Ukrainian peasants. There is an old saying that the road to hell is pawed with good intentions, but my personal belief is that the road is pawed with rejection of science and logic.

    To say that a person with XY chromosomes can be female is a lie, and to believe a better tomorrow can be created from lies is a perversion of the human mind.

  • Holistic-Heathen

    It’s obvious to me that you can’t move beyond the trans* issue or acknowledge that even biologically gender is a spectrum (which isn’t even what we’re taking about, but rather the social justice movement as a whole for the past 150 years).

    Rather than think og the civil rights movement, suffrage, anti-genitial mutilation, or any of the majority of social justice issues that have nothing to do with genocide, you choose to get caught up on two specific ones that manage to uphold your flimsy arguement. This stunted conversation is no longer worth my time or energy.

  • its a strong market bias though not a strong social bias

    the strong social bias comes from women not being into video games or the same type of video games men are into

    as the market for women’s video games grows and as the men’s market becomes more inclusive you’ll see more women in gaming

    there are pros and cons to this though as its a process

    one of them is that doods like to see tits and ass in video games. a lot of guys live their lives having sex rarely so they at least want to enjoy sexuality in their video games without being shamed for it.

    activism can sometimes fall into radicalism and extremism that is polarizing. sometimes this is a good thing that promotes social change. sometimes people just need to admit they’re wrong and lost an argument and take on a new perspective.

    in the case of sexuality in video games perverted men are always going to win because there are also a lot of perverted women out there too :p

    if sexuality in video games is so offensive just create a market and games without it

    the radical censoring puritanical response to something like Quiet having boob and ass close ups is just pathetic all around though

    in fact taking offense to most artistic sexuality is pure insanity and not remotely feminist as many internet reactivists claim and only serves to objectify women in all the toxic ways they claim sexual depictions in video games do

  • Shadow of Cronus

    One of the problems is these people have zero sense of balance.
    Your ether all in with them or you entirely against them, they seek zero middle ground.
    They bitched about that their entire base of female characters were sexualized and disrespected when Dc did the new 52, when in fact only Catwoman in her ongoing, Harley quinn in Suicide Squad & Starfire in Red Hood in the outlaws were done sexually.
    Wonder Woman by cliff chaing, had one single vaguely sexy scene in the first issue with her sleeping nude and for the next 35 issues of her ongoing did not have a single shred of sex appeal in it, Batgirl had virtually none even with Ed benes on a few issues. In Birds of Prey they gave Poison Ivy a full body outfit, Supergirl did have exposed legs, but none of her artist really drew her anything beyond a how a regular teen girl normally looks, didn’t emphasize her butt/breast or anything, Power Girl did not have cleavage for much of World’s finest, got it back briefly and then lost it again to a Superman S.
    That is balance, there is stuff for people who want sexual female characters and there is stuff for prudes.
    But feminist still speak like the early new 52 was a horrific dark time for female characters, its absurd.

  • Erthwjim

    Another thing from the 80s into the 90s, teen pregnancy. It started going down once schools started teaching sex ed. Suppression is never the answer.

  • Erthwjim

    And as you say, there are more now, but some people think the increase of female characters isn’t happening fast enough. Natural change is better than forced change, because if it’s forced then the characters and game tend to suffer in the name of diversity.

  • Erthwjim

    That’s not true, sjws see it as a zero sum game.

  • Erthwjim

    Cause Ayn Rand is so evil. Individual rights are horrible, it’s all about collectivism and statism.

  • Erthwjim

    Yes they’re social justice by definition, but more like classic social justice as there are liberals and classic liberals. Organizations working on men’s issues don’t do so while belittling women’s issues. Many try to just say, “hey don’t forget about us”, while social justice warriors say, “hey what we’re fighting for is more important, and if you ignore the issues we want to talk about, you’re an ist (racist, sexist, misogynist, etc)

  • Erthwjim

    Journalism in general, gamers just happen to be the first ones to speak out

  • Erthwjim

    And how often does the media report on them? Do they have an ambassador to the U.N. or even get to speak at the U.N.? Which advocates get all the press time?

  • Erthwjim

    Yeah someone probably follows them on disqus, Facebook, Twitter, etc and always comments or argues, that’s what stalking and attacking is considered nowadays to some. Kind of different than real stalking

  • Erthwjim

    No it doesn’t.

  • Erthwjim

    That’s classic social justice, not this modern stuff that tries to pass itself off as social justice, but good try

  • Erthwjim

    Your

  • ChaosVortex

    Don’t conflate the movement that gave me the right be considered a person with the assholes who can’t handle seeing fictional women in tight clothing.

  • MagcargoMan

    “Sex is why we work, why we fight, and why we struggle through each of our days.”

    Speak for yourself. I sure don’t make it through each day thinking “this is for sex”.

  • Duce Ralli

    Eh that backlash is building up. Look at people in Europe and the fact Feminism got on a poll of words to ban. It is closing in. GG did a good deal of set up and is continueing the fight. Pretty sure we just need one more thing like it to bring them down.

  • jdgalt

    The riots in Germany may be that one thing. If there’s one thing that will silence bogus complaints about us having a rape culture, it’s importing thousands of men from a real rape culture and seeing the results.

  • Jack Omally

    Thank You for writing this article. You don’t get articles that actually defend games and gamers all that much anymore.

  • John Smith.

    I’m gonna go out on a crazy conspiracy limb here, but is it possible that the current SJWs pulled a Neo con stunt a few decades ago?
    History teachers us that the Neo Cons running US policy into a heap of shit today actually emerged from the Liberal Left, they switched to the Conservative Party when the Democratice party kept rejecting their extreme free market pro war attitude.
    It’s possible the SJWs pulled a similar stunt as being from the far right would have slapped a negative mark on them from the get go. But if they’re from a party often considered soft and weak culturally, then they can actually get away with a shit load more then they could in the far right.

  • jdgalt

    There are some Neocons involved in US politics, and many were in the Bush and Clinton administrations; but none of them are the slightest bit pro-free market. The only real free-marketers currently in American politics are groups like Cato, IJ.org, and CEI.org, and they have almost no power.

    What you’re calling “extreme free-marketers” are the same bunch of cronyist, Chamber-of-Commerce FAKE CAPITALISTS of which Trump is a perfect example. They write laws and regulations designed to protect existing big businesses from new competition, while lying that it helps the public. The sooner they all go up against a wall, the better.

  • jdgalt

    “Mature” = anything you approve of, right? FAIL

  • jdgalt

    This is the Al Franken decade, just as he predicted.

  • jdgalt

    In each place there are at least two markets – one limited to what the prudes haven’t got banned yet, the other underground. The underground one is about to have a field day, and for every firewall there will be two hacks.

  • jdgalt

    This is why sexy video games are not made for women. Only a small child or a hopeless SJW would need this explained.

  • Great read, but I want to ask, what is the game between the pics of Boa Hancock and Quiet? The one with the blonde and silver haired girls?

  • Drazala Tsepesh

    I completely agree with this article. I never can understand how people can be fine with ultra violent titles but if a title has a nip slip in it, they go nuts over it. It is as if torturing (GTA 5) someone in a game is given a pass but if that visual novel has any nipples in it the world will end. All I can say prudes are pathetic hypocrites.

    Signed by an Atheist that is completely ok with sex and nudity.

  • Sopa de Caracol

    You should change your name to John if that’s what you believe.

  • Ron

    “never having downloaded any nude mods for Tomb Raider because Lara Croft means too much to me” aka “I don’t respect naked women”.

    Into the trash it goes.