First comes the sex then comes the violence.
Doom is already getting flak.

Remember: they dont want to take away our toys.

But the game (Dragon’s Crown) sold well, if anything it was free advertising.

Listen up game companies… STOP TRYING TO SATISFY PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE ANY INTEREST IN BEING YOUR MARKET!!!

Dragon’s Crown is an example that these people don’t need to be your audience, I respect Yoshida a lot but when the opinions of these people outweighs the ones from your fans then you don’t deserve to be supported at all.

These Japanese developers and publishers have no backbone. I can’t respect these guys anymore jeez.

Well of course. They don’t want to risk confronting the loudest constituents of American society, the butthurt whiners, political correctness gestapo, and triggered misandrist feminists who have no intention of ever buying the games in the first place. Sony, Tecmo, Capcom, Nintendo, they all know the USA is a minefield for anything even remotely controversial so they err on the side of caution.

All we can do is sit back while those people negatively impact our hobby, because the game companies won’t give us the chance to vote with our wallets.

History really is doomed to repeat itself, then? There’s always some group of sensitive, childish, reactionaries that just whine about some small minuscule details (for video games), and companies just seem to lap that shit up.

Fuck, it’s like I already read this article before 30 times. Both parties (whiners & companies) can get bent.

How many negative reviews did Dragon’s Crown get? I’ve only heard good things about it. There certainly is a difference between western and Japanese culture, but that doesn’t mean you just pull the plug on bringing things over. Video games are another form of commodity traded between countries that allows the consumer to gain some insight of how other cultures view the world.

I loved Dragon’s Crown, but that title got some criticism. And it got extremely low points in reviews.

AND IT ACTUALLY SOLD BEYOND EXPECTATIONS

Just get it already.

The metacritic only matters to the casual market that has no clue what a game is about or what to get.

A dad or mom buying for a kid as a gift and stuff like that.

For people that know what they want it doesn’t matter, at all.

Specific reviewer’s opinions might matter, but the matacritic doesn’t matter at aaaaaall.

In a recent interview with 4gamer,
Yoshida was talking how the Japan’s game marketplace had reached
“adulthood”, but they had to be conscious of their decision when it
comes to the oversea market.
This is so true.
The japanese market has reached adulthood, the western market is still a little kid that gets akward and giggles if someone says “boobies” out loud.

They just want to make gaming pretty and nice.
Remove the nasty stuff.
All the un-PC stuff.

Only one kind of game can exist in such world….add supported f2p games.

I don’t understand why these Japanese companies are so quick to fold to a bit of criticism, and in the process, deprive themselves of profit and the admiration of their fans?

Honestly, you might have a week of complaining and moaning, then the detractors will move on with their lives while meanwhile, your fans will continue to support you…

our culture sucks, im ready to bail. does anyone know an island i can move to where people know how to enjoy themselves, and not whine about fun things like breasts and violence?

You can try Hawaii, but I haven’t been there enough recently to know if its gotten more pc.

Agreed. Yoshida and company basically bought into the BS before they even tried.

I wish I could say I would do things differently but when ever I encounter a tumblrtard IRL I just want them away from me as quick as possible but I would try to be bolder in support of the creations of others.

Do you have any examples of Cero Z games for them? The only ones I’m finding are games that are rated M in the states.

What a fucktard.

they should stop bringing over Persona now that have alot of cultural differences

Remember, it’s okay to dress a six year old in scandalous clothing and parade her around for pageants on television but vidya beach volleyball is a no no.

I like the subtle implication that they’re more mature.

Fuck, Yoshida you need to put your foot down and make the strong decision here. This guy has it in his head that Sony’s position is way more tenuous than it is. All capitulation will accomplish is communication to the neopuritan censors that they are right. They need to represent the industry as a leader and commit to delivering the games that put them on the map and yes, that means the more adult oriented games with less restrictions on sexual themes and violence. Has he forgotten that Tomb Raider put the Playstation on the map? Has it slipped his mind that God of War was essentially the definitive franchise of the PS2? You forget yourself, you forget your audience, and it follows that you cede your position as the industry leader.

Watch Microsoft capitalize on this opportunity and publish DOAX3 in North America. Just watch it happen and laugh.

this pisses me off..journalists and social media cry bullies are fucking shit up for the rest of us…the minority of extremists are affecting decisions being made that affect the majority of gamers and theres not really anything we can do about it because those minority voices also happen to have the power and abuse it and make it so that there extreme minority voice are the only one that gets heard by these japanese publishers and developers…fuck our media and social media man..cancer that are killing the hobby for western gamers.

If he actually came out swinging for 1 million fans that bought Dragons Crown, then I would have to question the validity of the article.

This is unfortunately par for the course lately so… (sadface)

Let the adults who buy these games decide. Not overage babies who cry, and cry, and cry, and cry..

Well so long as we can get them dubbed in English and stuff, I’ll just import ’em. But I would prefer not having to import them and get them localized instead, and even if we did resort to importing them that would not solve the problem in western economics, just shift the problem elsewhere.

What’s needed is for you, Shuhei Yoshida, and the rest of the developer and publisher community to grow some balls and fight back. You let them win on this, and they WILL win down the line, but if we draw the line NOW they’ll never be able to win again, especially since your customers are 100% behind you.

Well on a positive note, at least now we know Yoshida’s views on this issue, even if it is a relative neutral view.

funnily enough that criticism of Dragon’s Crown is what got it so many sales, free publicity

Man, this is so stupid either way. Who the fuck is Yoshida or any other person to generalize a whole market as being “adult” or “childish”?

As long as it complies by the law, feelings and viewpoints are fucking irrelevant in a market. As a businessman, the only thing you should be judging is how well a product sells when it comes out in it.

It’s great that Yoshida can impart such wise words of understanding and wisdom about another company’s product, while standing atop the podium built from all the cash from the gazillion PS4 sales his company made. I actually hate how moral he tried to sound while standing on the very bastion of amorality he cultivated.

tecmo koei should at least release it in here in the west via steam

If these game companies are too stupid to let us vote with our wallets then they deserve to fail.

Also, I think the editors that sat through the Quick Look on Giantbomb when (I think) an 8-4 intern did the video feature with them were put off when the guy goes into a shop or something and they get smacked in the face with a scantily-clad lady.

They have not reviewed the game.

Ok that makes sense. So it really is an equivalent to AO but greatly more marketable and distributable.

Give it back dammit! Those boobs were ours!!

>Yoshida was talking how the Japan’s game marketplace had reached “adulthood” but they had to be conscious of their decision when it comes to the oversea market.

“look at me I’m an adult playing adult games”
remove insecure normalfags.

Not quite the same on the marketing and distribution part. Z rated games are the only ones with any form of government regulation on them. You can’t easily advertise Z rated games and they can only be sold behind the counter. Even with the strict policies in place, the games still sell very well. Sony even opened up and Adults Only section on Japan’s PSN store in 2013 where only Z rated games are sold.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/24/sony-opens-adults-game-section-ps3-japan/?utm_source=feedburner

The thing is though, just catering to fans isn’t financially viable, especially with games like DOA Extreme, Senran Kagura, Bayonetta, or even Dragon’s Crown. You always want to reach further than your target audience, unless its large enough to be self-sustainable, which it apparently isn’t in North America.

Review scores can make or break their effort to make money off localizations. People who aren’t fans and don’t know any better are going to look straight at those Kotaku and Polygon review scores and think “welp, the game must suck”. I’m with you though, I wish none of these idiotic SJW opinions would deter any of them and we got to see every single Japanese game released here.

There’s literally no way for you to calculate that, let alone know that for a fact (somehow). Never said it had to make millions, but it does need to make their money back and then some in order to make the effort worth it. Why do you think it took so long for Yakuza 5, Trails in the Sky SC or even FF Type-0 to be localized? They based the outcome off past sales and decided it wasn’t going to be worth it. And even then Y5 and TitSSC only came over because NA publishers put their own money into it.

What they don’t want you to know: Japanese companies rely people and groups to tell them the state of the industry in the west.

What people think, feel, want and what they don’t want.

And those people often lie and missinform to them because they are part of the pro political correctness and sjw side.

That’s why we’re seeing a surge of things like this, petitions so we can show them the real numbers and the real voice of what players want or pro consumer groups like the League For Gamers that will campaign to give gamers a voice that can reach the developers.

I must have missed the news regarding every Japanese game that has yet to make it to the West suddenly being brought over because apparently, according to you, there is absolutely no risk or potential downside to it.

This is great news, can’t wait to see every single Japanese game made from here on out make it to NA, specifically DOAX3

It was actually Jason Schreier of Kotaku who said that the Sorceress was a lolicon fantasy.

I am sure you are popular at anime conventions.

Fine line between “I enjoy games with sexual content but won’t brag about it like a 13 year old boy” and “ANIME TITTIES ARE GREAT!”

In a way he’s kinda right, the Japanese market is fully matured, and the western market is full of crybabies who bawl at the sight of exposed flesh.

Senran Kagura is an example of just that actually. There are some who are invested in the series for the action when it gets good, but that is as far as it reaches beyond the lewd title niche. Even if the story for a few games is might be decent.

Bayonetta and Yakuza (you pointed out 5 being hard to localise) are examples of SEGA’s money issues meaning that a console manufacturer needs to step in to handle costs and marketing. Both being much bigger titles than Senran Kagura or DOAX3 in any regard.

implying anime titties aren’t great

implying you are in self denial that you maybe a creepy guy and have little sense of self control.

#3: Dragon’s Crown sold better that projected DESPITE the lower review scores.

Yes, the games are indeed censored in Japan. Copypasta from A VD thread that brought up the issue why Takagi can’t bless us with lesbian nipples like the anime.

“Not just nudity, but sex acts and beheadings are also censored in Japan.

For instance, in GTA V, when you hire a hooker in the Japanese version, you do not get to select which “service” you want. Also, the game zooms in on the back bumper and just shows the car rocking. So even though there’s no nudity with the prostitutes, the scene is still censored. Oddly enough, the strippers show their uncovered boobs in the Japanese version with no problem.

Last of Us was almost uncensored, but there’s a scene in which an NPC beheads a zombie… In the Japanese version, he just hits it in the head with a knife, and the head just slumps a bit. I played the Japanese version of Last of Us, so when I saw the actual beheading in an American playthrough, I was kinda shocked.

All L.A. Noire corpses are covered with blankets in the Japanese release. No nudity whatsoever.

The sex scene in the PS3 version of DMC was completely cut from the PS3 Japanese version, and I heard the scene was removed from ALL PS4 versions in the remaster! :O

I was actually looking forward to Valkyrie Drive until I saw the anime. I thought it was just nasty instead of good, silly fun like Kagura. I just felt the anime went too far, to the point where I felt a bit uncomfortable.”

Order had male nudity, obviously the female supremacy brigades don’t give a shit about that.

GTAV and Witcher apparently were not not on the end of any hissy fits whatsoever, nope. 🙂

And nobody played Thi4f to begin with.

I don’t see anyone disagreeing with me, just one lonely person.

The fact that you would be the one out of everyone to mention ignorance is actually hilarious.

I’m going to stay right over here in the real world where shit doesn’t go according to your wishes. You can stay as naive as you’d like.

Beheadings is an interesting one but true. I’m fairly sure Japan were okay with it in video games at some point, perhaps as late as Resident Evil 4. I’m playing the Japanese version of Mercenaries 3D and know that no beheadings are in the series at that point for the player character.

Still can shoot the heads off enemies which aren’t quite zombies and actually use weapons and speak a language. Wonder how arbitrary the line is…

Wasn’t the DmC sex scene completely clothed and barely in shot? I hear that the scene being removed from the remaster as an artistic choice, but they should have let people watch it in a menu at least.

But they don’t always exceed expectations. Otherwise we would literally see every single Japanese game make it over here with no problem. Localization-hell isn’t something that just exists for no good reason. It’s there because there are real financial risks involved that some companies don’t feel the need to challenge sometimes.

Kek, you’re pathetic as shit. Marketing isn’t your forte for sure, clod.

It disagrees with your views that western gaming is averse to sex. It isn’t. It is averse to meaningless sexual fanservice and treating the subject poorly.

Keep it coming. I relish in how much of an idiot you continue to make yourself look.

Edit: “Kek” – what are you, 12?

Do you constantly forget how to breathe, Howl?

They also censor sex scenes and frontal nudity of any kind, even bare tits is censored.

And GTAIV Ballad of Gay Tony had Luis actually fucking some club girl as an intro scene as well as getting a blowjob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYD-0kAmQS4

Why is it abnormal?

protip: take your holier-than-thou attitude and shove it, it’s probably the only way you’ll get sexual activity this coming decade.

Still trying to get the higher morale ground and projecting your insecurities, normalfag?

As in don’t act like a major creep in public. Sure banter between friends who play this kind of games but not all girls will find this kind of conversation appropriate if you talk about how you play only fanservice games and shun everything else.

Common sense.

A white knight fighting the good fight, who’s hoping the fair feminist ladies will grace him with a disgusted glance so he can finally get that sweet ejaculation he’s been looking for for his entire life.

After all, he’s a filthy male and male sexuality is icky.

Nope, they simply want to make sure the creators of said toys are too afraid to keep creating them.

Because it’s totally not censorship when you force a culture of fear upon the creators instead of outright forbidding them to do a thing.

He is behaving like one. But I am thinking more about people who actively defend this.

How can you say he is right since these games have a better market than that in Japan?

I am hardly a white knight, I wouldn’t last more than 5 seconds at the face of feminists.

I am someone who was dogpiled and tortured by these feminist fucks and still suffering from mental trauma to actively say fuck them

How is pregnancy trap, alimony, child support treating you?
My own country also made cucking completely legal too. (no paternity tests untilconsent of the mother and approval of the court)

>Meaningless sexual fanservice

>Treating the subject poorly

>Not a white knight

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Kek <—————–

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Sweden?

Your group of people sucks.

KTJ will tell them to get bent for their feminist masters.

They also make up most of the anime convention community. A small town mentality where I am from. In a big community it is easy to lose yourself in the crowd.

Niche games, my friend, I thought we were clear here.

Bring me niche games that have not sold better than their Japanese counterpart.

Hell even some of your examples are incorrect:

The Yakuza series barely got a release in the west in 2005, an age where the internet barely propogated shit, it’s a completely different market from then, and when the latter games came out, there was even less of a release, barely relegated to digital downloads and zero fanfare as opposed to the Japanese market.

I can’t go through the entire Atelier series if I want to stop typing at some point, but Atelier Rorona (ie. the highest selling Atelier game ever) Easily sold higher in the west at 0.3 Million to 0.11 Million.

Bravely default sold higher in western countries (ie. US and europe) with 0.73M Vs 0.46M

Hyperdimension Neptunia, on total for all games sold 0.55 in the west to 0.44 in japan.

And nearly every game you mention is the same:

Resonance of Fate sold 0.75 Vs 0.3

Soul Sacrifice sold 0.24 to 0.22

And Monster Hunter has not been sold in the west until 3 Ultimate, even then, that game is the flagship in the Japanese market, with nearly a decade of single market advertising for it to even come to this, this is the level of advertising required to get a game’s in the Japanese market to surpass western market sales.

So no, my logic isn’t flawed, just your research skills, apparently.

Oh, so you’re even worse than a white knight, you’re a whipped slavedog.

Gotcha.

So how should I go from slavedog to rabid dog then oh mighty dark knight?

B-but wasn’t it because of *insert buzzwords*?

This is basically another way of saying what we all know. They don’t want because low reviews and shitstorm because feminist bullshit. The two previous games and games even worse than that came before and made it ok. What was acceptable 5 or 10 years ago now it’s not, shrinking the market due to political views.

Sssshhh no one on Nichegamer wants to hears that.

You mean, you took steps to neuter yourself. You’re implying it so hard.

That’s actually not true. Many good paying jobs have no relation with the public.

Yep and I agree, the only comfort is Yakuza 0 is being localized after a 9 month delay. Doesn’t make up for how fanservice games aren’t getting localized.

One of my friends told me he had an ultimatum from people way more influential and holds a fuck ton of pull in the community to cut me loose. He didn’t because I am trying improve my outer self.

Honne and Tatamae, I am sure you know what that means for someone who is probably deep into Japanese gaming and culture.

Hyperdimension and Senran Kagura must meet there expectations otherwise they would stop bringing them over. I mean we’re literally swamped with HDN games.

That’s the important thing.

As in being known as the country known for being extremely fucked up culturally while their neighboring country is well liked with few people complaining about them.

Well we clearly have different definitions of what a niche game is. Or maybe you’re just deciding that none of the games I listed are niche just to suit your argument. I’m leaning towards the latter.

And we are clearly pulling numbers from 2 very different sources, so I’m not going to sit here and argue back and forth about who’s source is more right. I did my part in proving you wrong, and that is: there ARE IN FACT games that are localized and sell more poorly than they did in Japan.

I’ll reiterate my main point though, in the hopes that you might be capable enough of grasping it this time. If your made-up fantasy world where every game that’s ever been localized has been a success is true, then why are there still games that have yet to come out here, even years after their local debut? Why are there developers and publishers that are still unwilling and unsure about bringing their games westward?

Because not all localizations are success stories, you dense fuck.

Nope France. Germany has apparently this shit too. Canada has also similiar shit where your gf may ask you to pay for alimony if the relationship lasted at least one year (enough to be considered as a conjugal relationship in Canada law system).

I prefer playing vidya and doing other hobbies than having a (highly) risky relationship with a woman.

That definitely must be the case. I’m glad there’s someone here who can see the difference between selling units and being financially lucrative.

Despite their low sales, NepNep seems just fine.

To you because you either lack the social skills or incentive to make your social life better.

The funny thing is that both Koreas are pretty fucked up though.

South Korea to be precise, the Hallyu rides on how it doesn’t act like what people see as the fucked up cousin. No escapist fantasies (except romantic dramas), musicians must cater to clubbers and Manwha should treat their audience like normies (Skill of Lure is a take on the “loser gets a girlfriend and makes it so he doesn’t win her over through being “nice”, but by how to attract and maintain interest of other girls) aside from the typical manga stuff.

Dead on arrival on Neogaf, I know too well that Neogaf has a zero tolerance for anyone who holds even the slightest interest in a fanservice game.

Being creepy is a good reason for intervention is all I am gonna say.

There are people who want the video game industry to have another crash so you’re not the only one who shares that destructive urge. And it’s not hard to see why I suppose. Pulling a reset on the whole thing might be the least frustrating solution even if it means going through a drought for a couple of years.

You: I’m saying something, but I’m not going to give any data, proof, research or literally ANY THING other than me saying it’s true.

Him: Ah, well I’m going to disagree and here are numbers on the items you listed.

You: WAAAAH :'( I AM RIGHT I AM RIGHT I REALLY AM WAAAAH :'(

Ummmm… I really hope you get to see this thread in 12 months to 2 years. I’d love to see your face as you realize what you’ve just done.

You don’t realize other people in other parts of the world have different ways to say or write things? Meow.. You look like an over confident child bursting with ejacu-rage at your first boner. Dude, literally everyone else has raged harder than you so get off it, eh?

Only if your last name is Wiener.

The fuck are you even on about? Certainly nothing to do with the main topic. Move along.

Though luck then. I’m actually named Richard Longer.

Wow, that last point actually shows the first semblance of intelligence I’ve seen on this entire thread besides my own. Perhaps there’s hope yet.

His argument is Western territories, and his argument is factual, sound and correct. You seem to be the one confused.

He’s not responsible for fixing the West.

So I provide facts and proof, which you dutifully ignore, and suggest that the comparison between NA/Western regions and Japan being unfair is the only semblance of intelligence?

Money isn’t made in percentages. When considering total income, it’s total income, no matter how many people are in the country or how many people play video games. Also in Japan, people spend a hell of a lot more money on toys or related materials than people do in the US. But that’s another topic entirely, right? We’re not discussing whether or not it’s financially viable, right? >_<

Kek is how Koreans say lol. And Chinese, I imagine.

Do you even know where WoW gets its language? -_-

Yes, and my argument (from which this entire thread sprung) is based on North America, as I stated in my first comment.

It’s clear that none of you are capable of following a conversation, let alone an argument. Never mind what I said about hope for your intelligence.

Actually, you were being irrelevant since the first thing. The OP never mentioned NA or EU.

“Dragon’s Crown is an example that these people don’t need to be your audience, I respect Yoshida a lot but when the opinions of these people outweighs the ones from your fans then you don’t deserve to be supported at all.”

Kek, it shows you know nothing about marketing.

“You always want to reach further than your target audience, unless its large enough to be self-sustainable, which it apparently isn’t in North America.”

First of all, who in this thread determines target audience? You? Who determines whether bringing a game over to the USA is about being financially viable versus being slandered and crucified in the country? Guess what? If Japan had a game brought over that made the nightly news or 60 minutes or whatever, it’d sell.

Take a moment to do some historical research and learn about Japanese ideology. Learn about Japan’s history in video games. They didn’t bring Final Fantasy to the west originally on account of us western players being too dumb to play it. I assure you, DOAX would be financially viable but Japanese developers are essentially saying “You guys are stupid, we’re not selling to you.”

They are.

Cook Islands maybe?

You should truly worry now, since your current intellect can’t even get to the point of understanding that it’s just ignorance at fault here.

Maybe you’re right, you need some help.

Someone here doesn’t know how xenophobic our ol’ Japanese chaps can be.

Pick your poison, they’re either ignorant, willfully ignorant or xenophobic.

Kek, you’ve been proven wrong, 2 and 2 for you is 5.

Too bad I left my entire Japanese Major coursework in the USA, or I’d be all kinds of Ph.D on his funny bunny.

Is there really a problem with western culture or is there a narrative being pushed to make people like Yoshida think this? While I’d say some of the less informed Japanease devs might believe it I doubt Yoshida does considering his job and the amount of sales and demographic data he has, if there was some sort of cultural shift taking place then GTA V would never have become one of the best selling games released in the history of the industry. It’s possible that he’s just trying to save face for Tecmo.

you forgot the biggest #MaoDinDuNuffin considering his kill count is estimated at 45-86 million ppl killed.

He’s speaking to the power of their echochamber, when they throw around lingo like “megaphone” and “signal boost” this is what they’re talking about, they use it and the negative response generated from it to make it appear that a negative review centered around their personal pet cause is the defacto negative review that devs are aware of.

If devs and publishers continue to fall for it than looking at sales and the actual response is from anyone but self-important clickbait artists they do so at their own peril.

They are censoring their games in order to bring them to the less mature market.It’s not the Japanese that are giving them a hard time.

You generally see shifts in popular culture every ten years, so will this PC-culture crap be done with by 2020? I want it to be sooner, but I’m fine with having something to look forward to.

*cucking Jim Sterling.
Since he gets cucked by that ogre he calls a wife.

It depends on a game to game basis but I’d say they have more mature themes than the West.Usually.

No, haven’t you learned that SJWs are fucking hypocrites? Violence will always be fine, which is why we will have GTAX someday. Women showing skin, on the other hand, that’ll always be evil incarnate~.

The niche devs should stand up for themselves and exploit the attempts to influence them, if several of them did this it would be great but if let’s say Rockstar also did it the cultural authoritarians would find themselves with no power except for being used as free marketing, run all their lingo into the ground too I’m talking about having “HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC” as a selling point in trailers. Thompson and the other violence crusaders were played heavily by the industry and the same can be done here.

Companies really need to start remembering that it’s the money that matters. Not the opinions of people who aren’t even going to buy your products.

I agree. We’ve seen quite a few success stories from these heckle shekel tactics in Hatred and recently with PlayAsia.

seriously FUCK SJWs Dragon’s Crown was THE GAME i bought a PS3 for, in fact, it’s probably the only game i never stopped playing since i bought it, the thought that these ideolog zealots could have prevented me from enjoying it freezes my blood.
Japan Grow a fucking pair, none of your western custommers gives a flying fuck about profecional complainers why do you?

the vidya ndustry won’t crash, but the console market and some of AAA big publishers are a defferent story, those are the ones i want to see crash and burn, Indies, Steam and the glorious master race can propel the medioum forward once the anchore that is consoles and AAA publishers if let go to sink into a sea of irrelevance

well ignorace is the newest big thing it’s all the rage for Feminist and other biggoted groups that wanna play the victum. in todays society your not even allowed to call ppl stupid anymore even though facts say otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Xtk7ALaUI

So basically indifferent 😉

What’s scary is that they’re going after children with their propaganda. With the way things are going after seeing these toddlers on college campus’ we are totally fucked.

Dakimakuras will be drenched in salty weeaboo tears…

I love “The Witcher 3”. I’m a fan.

Still have to acknowledge CDProjekt was way more edgy and zero politically correct in “The Witcher” (1). May be back then they though TW will always be niche and they will never have to deal with mainstream coverage/press.

They have shield this last games from criticism shying away from some mechanics, stories and characters. Still a great game, but it feels self censored for some old fans like me.

Yeah but this sold a hundred thousand copies or so. GTA sells 50 million.
Violence is in the majority of AAA games. They’re not going to just ditch that.

Compare any Compile Heart game.

You go from a slave dog to functional human being by realizing that sexuality is neither meaningless or demeaning.

It’s fucking biology, A natural thing.

And by realizing that when you say that about pixels on a screen, you sound like a whipped lapdog afraid of your overlord getting angry at being put on the same level as the lowly male you are.

Get over it.

“Cultural differences”
So anyone saying sales were a factor for DoAX3 not coming over are pathological liars.
I really hope this doesn’t begin a trend of certain games not coming over from Sony. This is really disgraceful. Developers shouldn’t have to be using cultural differences or backlash as a reason to not bring a game over. Because it’s not right to hear devs FEARING backlash for merely doing their job.
Bet all the people getting outraged about this game are happily dancing whilst being in denial that they contributed to this outcome.

I mean, come on now. I don’t care for DoA too much, but I believe it deserves a chance to come over to western audiences. It has a fanbase. And a dedicated one at that. It’s just a shame easily offended and incompetent tools are actually having a more adverse effect on game localizations than we thought. And it’s a shame we have gone absolutely backwards with what is considered “acceptable” to others. Japan at least has some maturity on this front. America, in contrast, doesn’t.

Good job Alexis, Claude and @mombot.

There you go. It’s the ‘games media’ that’s at fault.

Here in Australia we have a shitty biased review show called Good Game. When they reviewed Dragons Crown all they talked about what the Sorceress breasts the entire review and only talked about the gameplay for the last 2 minutes while also missing basically everything the game has to offer. But when The Witcher 3 came around the female host just couldn’t stop going googly eyed of Geralt and all the sex/ naked scenes of him.

How exactly you “lose intellect” by doing that? Can you explain that to me? The answer is no, because what you meant to say was something more along the lines of “credibility”.

And even then, no I don’t, seeing as I wasn’t the first one to start throwing insults around. But sure, join the bandwagon and add on to everyone else’s pile of shit.

Witcher 3 was on the end of a hissy fit, not over sex, but over a lack of “diversity”.

Liek I keep saying over and over and I will continue to say it. Gamers and Consumers have to show these markets that we are worth the whine fest of the gaming media.

Secondly we have to stop letting these sites continue to be our media its time to move forward and re-invent the gaming media in our image. Support the sites that deserve our attention and let the other burn.

I agree its time for a purge in the AAA side of the house, but these people want the industry to crash so they can re-build in their image and I’m not gonna sit here while that happens.

I know, but it is hard sometimes when these SJWs use their morality card. They intend to nag until they get their way.

Well someone is now aware the tanks have rolled in to crush the uprising.

They didn’t. They closed off that market and geoip banned people. If they start noticing a lot people is importing the Asian version they will do the same stating they don’t intend to sell to us. It’s like going down the border to buy a drug they don’t intend to sell to our country.

Okay, thanks. So there were instances where the game was not as well received as hoped. But still this is an exception; Yoshida makes it sound as if the game has been generally panned, but looking at the average the game did score very well. There is always some people who dislike a game for one reason or another(and actually I am not that big of a DC fan myself), but that does not mean a game generally got “extremely low points”. You can not please everyone. Or are we in a world now where everything below 85 is bad? :/

“extremely low points in reviews”?
It was one review from a site that is extremely difficult to take seriously, and even then they gave it a 6.
Pretty sure the lowest review I read complained about how repetitive dragon’s crown is.

Japan never had reviewers using social issues to dock points. Famitsu reviewers don’t go “This game’s reliance on fanservice detracts from gameplay value, therefore 2/5.”

That’s the point, the reviews are harshly panning on things they don’t personally like rather than on mechanics. You measure a fanservice game by the quality of the sexual fanservice, but no reviewer want to be flagged as a creep.

There are times when a reviewer must just say he can not review a game fairly because he is not into it. I mean, they don’t have someone who has no idea of Soccer review the new FIFA either. At some point, I am just not capable of delivering a review. And among those who do like such fan service games, surely journalists as well, there should be enough people with enough self-confidence to actulally play a game and judge it on its merits whether he is called a creep by some people or not. I think it does not speak for the quality of any “journalist” to appear highly offended by forms of expression that do not harm anyone or do not go as far as to make fun of real life tragedy. The outrage at DoAX3, again a game I could not care less about personally, with even journalists speaking of boykottingt Play Asia because they speak their opinion and dare to promote and sell the “offensive” product worldwide was quite frankly shocking to me. It just showed me how immature games journalism really still is, and how little regard the very basic principles of freedom of expression have for many when the content does not please them.

“Culture of fear”
Ah yes, like the culture of fear women have to go through because men in the gaming community harass them constantly. Nice to know you care about some rando “creators” than your fellow gamers.

I think the Dragon’s Crown example is coming off the top of his head but it illustrates: a) the disconnect between the traditional gaming press and the consumer in the West & b) the failure of Japanese publishers to grasp this mutual animosity. It’s natural to assume that the press who cover an artform or hobby participate in the surrounding subculture & are fans themselves, or at least feel professionally obliged to listen to and address their audience’s concerns. As he says, “it’s due to cultural differences,” though not about representations of women or sexuality. It’s due to a culture of narcissism & entitlement in the West, particularly among young people, culminating in the bizarre identity politics saturating much of Western games media.

Piss off.

I loved Dragon’s Crown, as did many of the people I know. I know what games I like, and I can make the decision to get them regardless of reviewer opinions that I don’t need to read.

Also nice backhanded way of saying you see the west as a bunch of children.

How do you switch to PC?I dont understand your statement.For exampe I have my gaming pc in my room and ps4/ps3 in the living room,do I count as switching?

In fact all this negative feedback from pressure groups will be they doing.

The more games bow over pressure won’t be rated by the rating boards making them unrevilent, making localise team unrevilent,

& making SJWs unrevilent & they hated be called unrevilent because they fucking Are.

& in the end like a big balloon everything will pop. & video-games industry hit a crisis.

SJWs “we not taking away your games just bankruptcy”

Edit: SO FAR 2 Devs have cave in under pressure any more we hit a new crisis point.

Man who do we need to talk to about with this whole censorship thing because it’s getting ridiculous. We don’t need others to speak for us with what we want in our games!

One that makes RPGs? Bioware, Obsidian, or CDPR.

As long as the English translated Asian versions keep coming out I’m OK with this. There was a time when all anime games had to be imported and I guess “progress” has brought us back to that. At least Sony had the foresight to make PS3-4 region free.

Um, no dude, you are the one being passive aggressive here. It makes you seem like a ten year old. Just stop.

If we wanted to be technical, the last crash only really happened on consoles in the US. Japan and Europe particularly in the PC scene did fine which I believe Carl Batchelor and Maciej Miszczyk wrote about on this site before. So another crash on that scale would be perfectly okay.

Shouldn’t be Obsidian versus From then?

The real shocker is that it didn’t change. It’s always been puritans and the people who want to appeal to puritans rather than let our culture move forward.

So off topic, we seem to have an influx of SJWish type people lately. Are links here going around on reddit or something? I guess it’s good that the site grows and all, but this place was kind of my haven to talk about Japanese games and other niche titles without all the bullshit politics.

Garbage excuses everywhere surrounding this, Jesus.

How about let me decide if my “cultural difference” wants the game or not.

Because enough of us are into that sort of thing, but even those who are into it will turn into sniveling manginas the minute a woman expresses her disgust. Men are dead, and women have always been censorship happy whores.

Yet none of that matters. Since the market is stable even with all these idiots frothing about misogyny, being offended and all that shit.

As long as the game is good, the news media and the few retards jumping into intellectual suicide hoops won’t do jack shit to stop it from getting sold.

That’s why he is wrong, claiming that there’s a problem because of western sensibilities is pure retarded. He should ignore stupid minorities like that.

If you believe the media well, fix that shit.

Thank you citizens of the united states of america for denying us Europeans games because of your bigotry.. It would’ve been better if your country never existed! I’m fucking pissed! It isn’t only this, it’s everything with sex, tits and other culture rappresentation. Even The Witcher came to you censored.. What’s the matter with tits? Aren’t they lovely? Why does your “society” prefers guns, segregation and hate over tits and xenophilia? If I sound hateful is because i’m really pissed!

>I’m not allowed to have a dissenting opinion
wew lads

Nah.

SJW speak.

You didn’t lift a finger to help that girl, because if *any* of you had, she wouldn’t have done what she did. And you did all this crap over the way she drew cartoon characters. Crazy much?

You are a sad, sick individual who is more delusionally religious than any cult member could ever be. Karma is a bitch, and it will come for you, and when it does, you aren’t going to like it. The evil that you do and make no mistake, it is evil, to others on a grand scale is going to hurt when it comes back to you. I hope you enjoy it.

In a lifetime on the net I have never seen people as horrendous as SJW and I’m a lifelong troll.

This woman pre-ordered DOAX3 and owns the two previous games. Not all women go along with this BS. Please try to remember that because even though there are no girls on the internet we are still your allies.

We’re not the ones that banned loli.

Eh.

We’re talking about a very loud and vocal minority. Seriously, go and take a look at twitter and see how many women support GG. I can’t be the only chick out there who supports the arrival of this particular big titty title.

I can tell the women who are being assholes that they’re a) being assholes and b) where they can shove it, but you have to take care of the manginas. I can’t help there. Also–happy new year!

Given in first world countries women are raped daily… I’m not sure why you expect me to take you seriously.

This game sucks and the creators are trying to pretend like they arent bringing it to the west because of criticism for its treatment of women when actually DoA extreme has always been the laughing stock of the gaming world since the original on Xbox.