Koei Tecmo Needs to Stop Being Afraid of Prudish, Censor-Happy Westerners

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If you’ve been following the entire debacle surrounding Koei Tecmo and Team Ninja’s Dead or Alive Xtreme 3, you’re probably confused, upset, and hopefully concerned regarding the current state of the video games industry (if you read our website, at least).

The TL;DR version of what happened involves the community manager for Koei Tecmo responding to a fan asking whether or not Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 would be coming west. Their response was shockingly honest, and one that said the developer was fearful of western reception for the game, hence it’s staying in Japan/Asia.

Retailer Play-Asia responded to this with a campaign to support the game, in spite of social justice warriors campaigning against the game (or games like it). Finally, Koei Tecmo issued an official statement that essentially pushed the community manager’s remarks aside (and said they belong only to them as an individual, and not the entire company).

Here’s the biggest issue with this entire scenario: no one is actually talking about the real issue at hand – the culture of fear within the gaming industry. Everyone is scared to talk about the actual regressives who are campaigning against games media simply because their feelings are hurt or they don’t like digital breasts.

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I have some words of advice for Koei Tecmo proper:

Stop caring about what these insular, censor-happy, cultural-marxist tumblrinas have to say about your games. They weren’t going to buy your games anyway. I cannot stress this more – red-haired intersectional feminists knee-deep in gender politics studies are not your audience.

The entire thing becomes fascinating on another level when you consider the response of Dead or Alive creator Tomonobu Itagaki, who sounded off regarding the Koei Tecmo community manager’s remarks. In chasing a niche market even further than Itagaki ever dreamed of, you’ve created what he coined as the Galapagosian Lolita Complexed Chicken.

If you read that previous phrase and are scratching your head, let me explain.

Itagaki compared Koei Tecmo’s chasing after the niche market to that of the evolutionary biology of the creatures on the isolated Galapagos islands. Both are parallel in their relative seclusion from the outside world (or market), and both have progressed to wildly different extremes in their respective niches because of this.

The point of contention here is that Koei Tecmo wants to have their cake and eat it too. They are at a point now where they have to ultimately choose to further embrace the niche market, or abandon it to appease insane, sociopathic regressives who clearly (and have publicly admitted to) will not buy their games.

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Obviously, I am rooting for Koei Tecmo listening to reason and simply pursuing what works for them: violence and sex. However, as their community manager originally stated, the gaming industry is rapidly changing and sadly, developers are more keen these days to listen to people who don’t even buy their games.

We all know that violence and sex typically sell media quicker than an Oscar-winning story does, but it seems like some game developers are just scared of embracing that. To be honest, the entire thing was somewhat of a letdown for me, as Koei Tecmo has been consistently a bastion of “zero fucks given” regarding their games.

We’re in a weird bizarro world upon which creators who simply enjoy the female form are apologizing for it, and games which can appeal to gamers worldwide are left in Japan because publishers are scared of the potential backlash. We have been getting some nice localization surprises, and yet there are cases like this happening.

The irony behind faux-outrage regarding Dead or Alive’s breasts physics, scantily clad women, and more, is that so-called progressives are conveniently ignoring very interesting and progressive games by the publisher, like Yoru no Nai Kuni’s story revolving around a lesbian romance (which is being localized as Nights of Azure).

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What do you guys think? Should Koei Tecmo be kowtowing to social media-bound armchair warriors seeking to protect the eyes of the innocent from polygonal breasts? Sound off in the comments below!

Brandon Orselli

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  • Heavily Augmented

    While I do think SJW’s are affecting the games we’re getting, I must wonder if Koei Temco are pulling a Hatred in the sense that controversy will sell the game better than if it got a regular West release. I don’t know much about Koei’s past, but this seems like a first time thing for them and as Brandon said they seem to be a company with a “zero fucks given” mindset. Eh, either way it’s interesting to see publishers using SJW types to their advantage.

  • blackice85

    It’s hard to say, we also don’t know if it’s always the same people making decisions. Could always be a change in management we don’t know about who wants to play it safe or something. They could be receiving lots of email from the crazies too, who knows. When they decline to talk, there’s often little we can do aside from speculate.

  • buddyluv324

    So my question for Koei Tecmo is this: Where they just simply lying to the public when they made that previous statement about applauding the CM for being honest about ( one of) the reasons for not releasing DOAX3? And also what is of the CM? I’m hearing on twitter that the person got fired but I cant find any confirming info on it.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Good article Brandon. I have said this before but we need to take a stand against these power hungry facists before they destroy all of western civilization merely for diversity and “equality “. Games are just a part of this and with the way they’ve poisoned the well over the past 2 years more people need to stand up against them. Because this is setting a very dangerous precedence.

    If Japan won’t then we need to make it clear to these companies that the profit lies in the freedom of expression. I WON’T stand by while these facists destroy the medium I’ve loved since a child. But it’s going to take everyone working against these people to stop them.

    This isn’t about tits and ass for me this is about one of the highest virtues of humanity the right for people to pursue happiness without censor.

  • Isaac Sadler

    The problem is with the translators then with the Japanese companies.
    The “translators” are more localizes who remove or edit content to suit their views rather then leaving it as close to the original content as possible.

  • Vault Man

    No matter how much the spin it, SJWs and the media that pushes their narrative is the reason this game isn’t come here. They went with that “non-statement” PR statement just to stop the SJW shitstorm coming at them. They have turned this industry into a political shitfest. The game would have been released otherwise. Don’t let anyone tell you any different.

  • CrabCombat

    They distanced themselves from the comments at the start: https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669507094584950784

    Don’t get me wrong, I still think they’re pussies for not releasing it in the West, but they’re not backpedalling with the recent statement or anything. They were applauding the CM for being honest about the game not coming West, not for the reason he gave.

  • buddyluv324

    It is possible, though I would think Play-Asia is playing a more active role pushing the game since import games are a business for them. I think KT is just along for the ride since KT would gain from Play-Asia’s advertisment of DOAX3.

  • Vault Man

    I doubt it because besides SJWs and religous puritans, a beach volleyball game with some women in bikinis is nothing compared to Hatred’s content. No, the media and them have pushed this idea because of their politics and now have made games unwelcome in the industry. There’s no way that’s good for the game industry.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    This just seems that they’re doing damage control. But until we get an official statement from that community manager we can only speculate.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    I bet if Itagaki was the helm he really wouldn’t have given a fuck about a bunch of petulant narcissistic toddlers. God I fucking hate these cunts.

  • Vault Man

    Not approving doesn’t mean its not true.

  • Para-Medic

    The thing that doesn’t really make sense to me, is that Atelier sells like trash but they happily continue to bring it over multiple times on PS3/Vita. DOA has a fan-base across multiple consoles and now PC, yet they won’t even give this game a chance…

    The “business-decision” angle makes no sense to me. They totally are scared of faux-outrage. ):

  • Vault Man

    So much this.

  • buddyluv324

    KT distancing themselves from this previous statment without making a sort of clear statement IS them backtracking. more than that though this is just damage control. And if the CM is going to be discredited in a way, can Concept please do the same to their Ex-CM Dina? At least with KT they’re putting in some effort.

  • deadeye

    Personally, I don’t believe that is the case for not releasing it here. Not for a second.

    I doubt we will get a legitimate reason, especially if it’s something that will make them look bad.

  • Mr0303

    Great write up. This may be a business move from Koei Tecmo to generate buzz and controversy before actually localizing the game – the so called heckle shekels. This way they have the safety net of the people who actually import the game and prove that there is a market out there and earn even more when they bring it to the West.

    Even if they had no such plans, the success of games like Dragon’s Crown, Senran Kagura and by the looks of it DOAX3 (I’m judging this by the thank you tweet PlayAsia have sent), should show developers that the SJWs are a loud minority with no market power whatsoever.

  • buddyluv324

    I would say its part of the reason, but there’s more to it than just that. Localizing a game overseas cost money. Not to mention having to alter their games for various regions to appease to that regions’ various rating systems. Its kinda like taking your car into a repair shot and having the shop overcharge you with various fixes that may cost more than what the car is worth.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    I am actually worried about the middle men in the localization process than anybody else. With people like Bateman for example or Blade and Soul we can’t afford to take these people lightly.

  • evilmajikman

    The thing is we know this is bs because they already said if they did release the game in the West, it would be an “adjusted” version…. knowing how Fatal Frame 5 got “adjusted” doesn’t leave much to the imagination.

  • Mr0303

    Here’s the thing though – ignoring or apologizing to these people doesn’t work. Now that the game is high profile they’ll still bring it as an example of sexism and all that jazz.

  • Para-Medic

    I’m not saying you’re wrong, but in this case, the game is already getting an English translation and there is no actual content that the ESRB/PEGI wouldn’t rate for the states/euroland.

    It wouldn’t get AO because there is no exclusive nudity or sex. Keep in mind that this doesn’t have to be region locked either. The only costs I can see are printing more discs and transportation.

    … if that’s really an issue though, they could just sell it digitally?

    Pretty sure they’re most just full of shit though. Bowing to a bunch of puritanical loons. >_<

  • Cody

    DOAX3, multi-language version: I get the product as creator intended, with in-house translation, straight from the source. How do I lose?

    Also I don’t like Honoka at all as a character but God damn

  • koreawut

    So glad I left the USA. The only games available where I live happen to be the Asia or World games. It means I can’t buy new games for my Nintendo systems, but I get all the Sony and Xbox goodies…

  • Sylveria Shini

    The thing is, the Asia region releases usually have a really shitty translation. Personally I don’t really care, they’re passable enough, but the typos and translation errors are not gonna be acceptable for a larger audience, even by niche standards.

  • Cody

    That’s because they understand the political climate too, and they know you can’t talk shit about ESS JAY DOUBLE Us without increasing your harassment by SJWs ten-fold

  • Cody

    It’s Dead or Alive. How good of a translation do you need? I need to understand the quips the girls say and… what else? There’s no story to speak of.

  • Ultim8_Alchemist

    In all honesty, this is where the future of gaming is heading when it comes to ecchi content in games. There is no win-win scenario when it comes to localizing games in the West.
    We are a niche market, and for these game developers to bring over their games, it needs to be financially feasible. This means they need to make ‘x’ amount of sales or go bust. As there currently is no real form of guarantee of the amount of sales that these games will make, from their perspective it makes more sense to bypass the cost of localization and slap on some subtitles instead. This way the people that really want the game uncensored can have access to it and still enjoy its context in English. As the alternative is to incur localization costs, have bad publicity due to virtual boobs, possibly censor content and then not even break-even.

    I for one rather import a game if it is in English and remains unscathed from censorship. This hopefully means less work and less risk for the developers, and if it means that they become more profitable, hopefully more games

  • Walter Peck

    Play Asia is capitalizing on the situation, but this all started with an obscure post from KT. I don’t think they expected it to blow up like this.

  • scemar

    Damn right.

    There are haters and there are fans, and tecmo koei has to learn to love its fans back and let the haters hate.

    Though it’s not so simple, one thing to consider here too is the fear of long term consequences the SJW could do to tecmo koei.

    It’s a big company with many games published all the time, not just DOAX.
    And SJW pretty much control the mainstream media, the face of the industry to a lot of people.

    That being said it means SJW could give Tecmo Koei media silence as evidenced by the leaked e mail chains where they organized to ban games, companies and people in the past from being interviewed or featured in many sites.
    Or they could hold that grudge and express it later against tecmo koei, by giving other unrelated games they publish intentionally negative press, nit picking details, intentionally misinforming people as long as they can get away with it and so on.

    I wish it was as simple as “release the game, let the audience that wants it buy it” but the SJW do not follow the live and let live idea, they don’t play by the rules, they have no shame or honor at all.

    Granted, tecmo koei should still carry on and focus on their audience, the fans, the customers and those who like them.
    They already get minimal or generally negative press from the mainstream gaming sites anyway and that is not going to change anyway so realistically even if things are not so simple, taking the bull by the horns would still be the best way.

    And I just want to say I loved how play asia acted so savvy about this whole situation, capitalized off it big time and showed absolutely no shame, why would it? It showed defiance of the system, it showed it had balls and it showed the fans out there of all this niche content that there’s people out there who are not afraid of sharing that love back.

    Tecmo Koei’s community manager deserves a medal.
    He or she posted some real talk on that facebook, serious truths that need to be discussed more. There’s a war on freedom against games going on and even in japan publishers are getting scared of it. Imagine how scared the publishers in the west already are?
    And in the end of the day all the controversy must have given DOAX3 even more hype and word of mouth awareness, people now want that game even more because they can’t have it.

  • buddyluv324

    Dont forget that each of the various regions do have different standards with their gaming rating systems. These standards just dont apply to text translation, but it can also apply to the overall visuals, cutscences, gameplay mechanics, etc. If they find something that can considered even slightly offensive, the developers are the ones that has to make the changes that can cost time and money in the development or lose in potentially selling that game in that specific region if they dont follow that region’s standards.

  • scemar

    There’d be nothing to change for any region, at least from a legal point of view.
    Usually they just change the ages and that’s like nothing.
    The text to translate is not much either.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    While I agree with this idea what makes you think SJW’S won’t go after these avenues as well?

  • Jack Ripper

    “Koei Tecmo has been consistently a bastion of “zero fucks given” regarding their games.”

    So so true. I honestly feel like Koei Tecmo is just using the whole SJW controversy to make an excuse to not release it in the west. They never cared about the west with all their games ever since Hayashi was at the helm of the rein. He always catered the games to mostly and only Japanese people and doesn’t listen to jack shit the the west community has to say.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    I hope so.

  • buddyluv324

    There’s more to these ratings systems than just checking the text translation is up to par. There could be visual and/or gameplay aspects that they can consider offensive depending on the region a game is trying to be localized in.

  • scemar

    There’s a real localization problem going on.
    And that’d be worth another editorial.

    Few companies do a legit job of porting a game from japanese to english without trying to change it to fit another mainstream culture appeal. Or trying to put their own morals into the game to “fix it”.
    And it goes all across the board, among official localizers from japanese branches like we’ve seen Nintendo do it and also the freelance types that localize other’s games.
    Why are there so few companies doing it?
    Why is it such a rare thing to see any of them doing a good job?
    It should be a simple task and it’s one with enough market and products to be a viable business.
    Xseed is one doing good with it but it’s so absurd that they’re the only note worthy case of a good localizing company.

  • Para-Medic

    True enough. NISA and NOA make me want to cry so hard.

    … still pre-ordered the Special Edition of FE:Fates though. Am I scum? :p

  • buddyluv324

    I’m not too sure if I buy the whole marketing move yet. KT has gotten their fair share of flak for the DOA series for the female characters for a long time, especially with DOA5. If this was just a marketing move and KT really stood their ground, they could of easy pulled a “Play-Asia” as oppose to KT playing damage control.

  • scemar

    It’s backpedalling but not all out 100% type.

    It’s like they’re trying to avoid pointing the finger at the SJW but they are still sticking to their plan of not bringing it over and they have not denied the previous statements of how bad the climate is in the west.
    They’re just taking back the finger pointing.

  • Ultim8_Alchemist

    Fact is SJW’s will always exist, just this way we circumvent their influence as the games are being developed in completely different regions/rating jurisdictions that are more understanding and flexible.

  • scemar

    If they were pulling a hatred, it’d be a damn good one.
    We’ll see for sure as things develop.

  • Takane Shijou

    It’d just be nice for companies to not ‘over localize’ a title. The fact we can get some many games that are just packed full of either memes or altered intentions/personalities of characters shouldn’t be happening period. I mean hell, when characters don’t even resemble themselves in the Japanese versions is just an ultimate failure of a company trying to make it ‘more approachable’, and really serves to just make me more skeptical to the fact that they actually care when doing so.

    Fact of the matter is just that I don’t care about your agenda, terrible sense of humor you wish to inject and somehow your superiors gave an ‘okay’ on, nor do you need to make things more of a safe space for players. I just wanted the game brought over as is, but it’s just really sad that’s just asking too much anymore. But at least it motivated me to actually start learning the language and cut out this part completely, though it doesn’t help when some of them are still on region-locked systems.

  • scemar

    That was all Nintendo’s fault.
    An adjusted version for DOAX3 could be the same adjustements as DOAX2 and DOAX1.
    Removing the ages of the couple of girls that are 17.
    That’s it.

  • dakotasgame

    if it makes you feel better i got both Fire Emblem Fates Special Edition and a standard edition of Xenoblade Chronicles X pre-ordered despite my beliefs about censorship.

  • Derek

    The SJW controls the media so you idea of lacking marketing is bull.

  • scemar

    You supported a game you like, but you also supported censorship.

    Whether that’s more good than bad it’s up to you bro.

  • Para-Medic

    Also I really hope their PR guy was not fired over telling the truth like that. At the very least his explanation made a lot more sense than this new excuse they’re using. ヽ(゚Д゚)ノ

  • scemar

    Ratings were put in place before the SJW and their anti freedom of speech flavour of PC had reached this level of influence.

    Ratings don’t follow what is subjectively offensive per se, they have objective and simple guidelines to follow.

    It doesn’t matter that there are girls and people can see them wearing bikinis and that offends the SJW.
    If they don’t do any sexual acts, if there’s no use of swearing or adult substances, if there’s no graphic violence or adult subjects then there’s really problem.

    The ESRB has gone on a record multiple times saying that their job is not to get games censored, it is to inform parents of what the content within a game is.
    DOA getting M in the past was odd but perhaps justified due to the arousing nature of the game, despite lack of anything actually sexual.
    But beyond an M there’d be only AO.
    And bruh a bikini girls game is not getting an AO.

  • Mr0303

    They censor, sure, but they are not the ones buying the games. If something like this happens and invokes the Streisand effect, the game will receive the required publicity and thus sales. Dragon’s Crown was a great case study for this and DOAX3 may prove to be another.

  • scemar

    Yeah man.
    He was honest for once.
    A big faceless corporation being honest once in a while is some cool stuff.
    And regardless of how things turn out the game is going to end selling more thanks to buzz going on.

  • deadeye

    I think it’s usually cases of “trying too hard”. They really want the game to appeal to westerners, so they just go overboard with it, even to the point of cutting out things they think won’t fly. This is also why you get some anime and games with stuff like cussing where there was none in the original, to make it seem cool to teenagers. And then of course pop culture references, of course to try to look cool.

    There are actually some people that believe if they DON’T do all that, then it won’t sell because people will think it’s weird.

    There’s also just the challenge of localization in general. It’s not an easy task, and it’s something I feel more people should be educated about.

  • Mighty No. 56008

    “They weren’t going to buy your games anyway.”

    THE biggest point that most people simply miss regarding many censorship issues. Who are these people who complain about your works? What would happen if you offend them?? Is it worth the effort to appease their concerns???

    And for the most part, you are 100% exactly right with that point. They don’t matter. The game wasn’t made for them. The game isn’t something they would buy to begin with. So why on earth do they even bother to listen and concede to SJW levels of criticism? Fixing any issue they had accomplishes nothing since they won’t be buying your game anyway, and you anger your actual fans and customers in the process.

  • Arbitrary

    “We’re in a weird bizarro world upon which creators who simply enjoy the female form are apologizing for it…”

    Really – shouldn’t they, though? Do we really need to embrace society’s mindless worship of women and female physique?

  • deadeye

    I feel like developers shouldn’t apologize for any kind of creative decisions.

  • scemar

    Who knows maybe they’re not invincible and the negative pressure finally got to them.

  • Megamatics

    They’ll start to listen when the first Fully Diverse and all appealing gaming publisher bombs in profits due to over indulging people that never liked video games in the first place.

  • Alex Drake

    No they shouldn’t. It’s their creation. They can make it however the fuck they want. People who don’t approve can simply NOT BUY THE FUCKING GAME and move on in life.

  • Yaminoari

    Yes this is a step backwards for Koei Tecmo but to say they don’t care about there fans well that’s a little unnecessary Koei Tecmo has localized almost everygame they make
    The whole reason they made an Asian version with English subs is to avoid the BS feminazis and SJWS while giving the western world a way to play it in English

  • Dewey Defeats Truman

    I have literally zero interest in DoAX3.

    That said, it has a right to exist. I’m sure someone has thought or said the same sentence I just typed up above about something I care deeply about, and that’s fine. Not every game has to be for every person. Why some people are just totally incapable of understanding that, I’ll never know.

    What I do know is that I was considering picking up both Deception IV: The Nightmare Princess and Dead or Alive 5: Last Round for my PS4 recently. However due to this entire recent shitstorm surrounding DoAX3 I’m not sure I can trust KT with my money. I wouldn’t ever compare them to NISA for example, but it’s clear that they’re afraid of appealing to someone like me who is interested in a game and isn’t going to let the fact that it stars girls that may be in some situations be sexualized keep them from enjoying a good, fun game.

  • Dewey Defeats Truman

    I really hate that “localization” is now a dirty term thanks to morons like NISA or, for an older example, 4kids.

    That said something that very few people (in and out of the translating business) seem to get is that there’s a fine line between making something that doesn’t work in english make sense and simply rewriting the original script. It’s important to walk that tightrope. I never wanna see “offensive” content get removed but I don’t want to see garbage like pic related be the standard either.

  • WEL

    I just heard that DoAX3 will not have the jet skis? Like seriously, that was the best part of the prior game!

  • Dewey Defeats Truman

    That’s all the more reason to just go ahead and bring it over.

    They’ve got an english translation already in the works for the Asian market, and since the outrage machine is already shitting itself in anger that the game exists you may as well just try to sell it here for whatever extra sales you can gain between people that already wanted it and the kinds of people that spite-buy games out of hatred for SJWs.

    I mean, Dragon’s Crown was a good game sure, but it probably sold a lot better than it would have otherwise if people didn’t go apeshit over the Sorceress’ physique.

  • scemar

    But what about their next game, or even unrelated franchises?

    Imagine you controlled the media, had absolutely no sense of honesty, shame or right, and you hated a game for it being offensive, and as extension also hated the company that published.
    Think of all the nasty things you could do to hurt that company, not just today, not just this one game, but in the future as well.

    You’re the media, so they rely on you to bring the news, the hype and the reviews to the fans. From early news, to opinion pieces, to previews, to reviews.
    They can organize a media blackout, they can make any lie and fabricate more controversies, they can flatout give terrible reviews to all your games and make your metacritic score fall to the ground, and more.

  • I actually covered this in the original report, so apologies my recap was a bit confusing.

  • scemar

    I’d take pic related over what we’ve got because it’s gotten pretty bad, but I doubt we’d ever get there anyway no matter how hard the anti localization sentiment got.

  • scemar

    Your avatar fits this article well !

  • Daryl Corey

    Dunno only thoughts are fuck social justice

  • Ultim8_Alchemist

    Thank-you! Funnily enough, we seem to be heading towards that reality…

  • H. Guderian

    Could be that the Atelier games are much cheaper to produce. They come out annually for the main series, and the Vita/handheld Plus versions can’t be horribly more expensive. Meanwhile DOA seems to be visually high quality with a lengthy development time. I do play the Atelier games, but even I must admit the amount of reused assets. Plus no one ever is gonna give them bad press about Atelier on the same level. its very low-risk and safe.

  • plasmacutter

    Games are now conspicuously suffering from what the American Anime scene calls “Robotech”-ism.

    They completely butcher the hell out of what a title was, removing all cultural references and often times even the central themes/morals in order to make it “westernized”.

    Just look at the EN3 version of “blade&soul”:

    The asian version has running sexual innuendo which plays off the “jiggle physics” to really lighten the mood and remind you it’s just a game. The villains and heroes are both “morally grey”, to the point you almost end up in the same state as the main villain.

    The EN3 localization “americanizes” the whole game into a trope of “every mmo ever”: the innuendo is removed, the game is overly-serious to the point of the “he takes his job very seriously” meme, the hero scrubbed of flaws and the villain a moustache-twirling charicature.

    If the asian producers don’t produce their own, subbed versions and skip the localizers, they’re going to “localize” themselves right out of the anglosphere.

  • Raziel Barkrai

    With everything going on lately, Play-Asia’s probably gonna get larger profits for future titles they take on after this or at least get more returning customers. I wouldn’t be surprised to see petitions for the release of uncensored games get sent to developers/localization companies down the road or even a movement to call attention of this issue.

  • plasmacutter

    I actually think your pic related SHOULD be the standard.

    Anything foreign should be directly explained with captions as above. Anyone who is not familiar with the culture should be MADE familiar with the culture by the translation notes.

    It’s an insult to those of us who do know the culture to “americanize” such a line.

  • plasmacutter

    and that’s why it will continue.

    At least the Anime community had the [email protected] to starve the crappy localizers to death and build a new industry on their corpse.

  • Para-Medic

    Lmao. Censorship is not what killed the anime industry in the west, pre-Funimation. ANN (and others) have written MANY articles on this, examining why companies like ADV died.

    Same for manga, Censorship is not what killed Tokyopop and burst the manga bubble. (Which has seen a massive resurgence since Attack on Titan.)

  • James Hewitson

    Ah…..huh?

  • Ryan Barrett

    I look at the headlines of each one of those blog posts and all I can read is “clickbait.” As you know, Gamergate’s about the hottest of the hottest topic of all topics right now and people will do anything they can to cash in on it.

    Let’s hope that the VGA’s don’t mention it, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they did, condemning it.

  • James Hewitson

    Exactly my friend nailed it ?

    One of the reasons I started learning 5 Years ago, I mean yeah sure alot more risque titles being translated is awesome but when they’re
    also gutted/censored/poorly translated and Americanised to “appeal” to the west then what the fuck is the point? I’ll just play the Japanese version instead. Xseed an exception of course they’re awesome ?

  • Elilla Shadowheart

    That’s one of the reasons why a lot of people like fan subs more than released versions with subbing. Fan subbing usually explains what it is in a secondary cap.

  • True Goddess Reincarnation

    Shouldn’t they get fined or fired for doing so? I mean editing content out? Who the fuck do they think they are?

  • Para-Medic

    Absolutely agree. The problem is not enough people raise awareness about it. You also have a ton of people (usually SJW’s) claiming that they are doing the western world a service by cutting out such content. It’s really quite an annoying trend. >_<

  • scemar

    Atelier has a ton of text, that should make localization more expensive than DOA ever could be.
    DOA development might have more budget but that’s another thing.
    And you say what, atelier is safe?
    Bruh it was banned in australia, HIGH IMPACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE.

  • True Goddess Reincarnation

    I was actually thinking of learning a whole new language to experience my hobby to the fullest. This should not be the case. :/

  • Kiryu

    Giving into sjw demands is like giving into terrorists demands.We should not let our hobby/life be dictated by fear.

  • Keirnoth

    I find that most fansubbers do a much better job at localizing than localization companies do. That’s part of the reason why I’m in this state where I want more anime to be brought over to the West, but I absolutely abhor the way they’re localized. Simple phrases and words are completely fucked over to fit the mouse faps of the English voices (which I do not listen to) and the subtitles suffer as a result.

    I just don’t understand why a group of people who do it for free in their spare time generally tend to do it better than people who are paid to do this stuff.

  • Keirnoth

    And they usually have translation and liner notes on the side to explain stuff they couldn’t fit into the sub. They know who their audience is because they tend to be people *just like them* so they understand that the /a/nime viewing audience has very specific tastes.

    If you want an example of a good localization job that felt more like a fansub-style localization, grab Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure; they hide a lot of their translation/liner notes about translating and localizing it in different NPCs and texts you read. It’s actually pretty cool – it breaks the 4th wall but at the same time you get a better look behind how the localization was done.

  • Keirnoth

    THIS SHIT USED TO BE COMING FROM RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES

    AND NOW IT’S FUCKING SJWS

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • Keirnoth

    Whoa, KTE encouraged us to import it?

    Why does that single tweet by KTE feel more honest than the damage control statement done by KT America?

  • Derek

    Stop being so delusional to think that KTJ isn’t aware of the bad rep they have been getting over the years from the press like Kotaku and Polygon. Unlike us, they have to consider their reputation to uphold and wanted the game to be Japan + Asia only. The fact people have resorted to importing is going to be seen as the equivalent of jumping over the wire fence to get to the other side of the wall.

    They may let it pass this time but this kind of crap happens again they are going to make sure that it stays in Asia + Japan this time and Playasia will be forbidden from doing the same thing twice to save face.

  • random

    >cultural marxist
    Damn dude you actually think that shit exists?
    Stop reading stupid right wing conspiracy theories

  • Keirnoth

    Well, Atelier also has a lot of 2D art, and I can’t imagine that’s cheap to produce.

    But is it cheaper than 3D models like in DOA?

  • Derek

    We haven’t heard from Japan which is going to be “we don’t want you guys to import, go away.”

  • Keirnoth

    Master Bateman?

  • Derek

    You should have done it a lot sooner when better games weren’t getting localized. It amazes me how others only care when tits are on the line.

    And don’t try to deflect that, you guys probably didn’t cared when Yakuza 5 was Japan exclusive or when the warning signs start flaring up.

  • Derek

    Exactly, Japan never had built up any form of resistance towards this. Their response is outright aversion to whatever rocks the boat, Famitsu and their sites don’t have oped pieces that tackle this and stay quiet about everything while Japan takes a beating from the press.

  • Cody

    >pretending cultural Marxism doesn’t exist
    “la la la”

  • Cody

    What do you expect from Yosuke Hayashi?

  • EroBotan
  • EroBotan

    It’s no longer trying too hard, it’s actively removing content that don’t suit their SJW agenda https://twitter.com/CensoredGaming_/status/670180252417695744

  • Vault Man

    Why? It can be proven time and time again that the media and SJWs have created a climate where these kinds of games are unwelcome. Why release a game knowing full well it won’t be given the chance in a market like this because they will smear it with their ideology. SJws have attacked games for years, its completely plausible that companies know about it and are now looking at it to whether they should release it or not. If this was a game with intense violence and they did this, then yeah maybe its just an economic thing, but not this game, one they would attack without hesitation thus potentially hurt sales while being torn apart with the media for not adhering to their narrow ideologic view of the world.

  • Carl_Ed

    The reports of the anime industry’s death have been greatly exaggerated. There are only so many people out there willing to drop serious coin on the stuff, but the industry is prone to periodic overexpansion then collapse. This has been going on since the days of Streamline and US Renditions, fansubs have been circulating since the days of Amiga 2000s and VHS recorders. The industry will fall and rise and fall again. It’s the circle of life, hakuna matata.

  • Mr0303

    According to research only 3% of all game purchases are based on the gaming media’s reviews. I agree with what you said about it’s harmful effect and this is exactly why games like Dragon’s Crown and DOAX3 have to be the first to reduce their control.

    Plus we now have alternative places like NicheGamer that are not full of shit. Gaming is a consumer driven industry and ultimately the gamers have the power. The old media needs to be reminded of that.

  • Kiryu
  • landlock

    I’m just happy that Koei and Idea Factory went ahead a released English versions of the games there to scared to bring over.

  • Tyrone Jackson

    Agreed 100% on all accounts.

    And to everyone that says “just import it”: I don’t want to start paying $80 (USD) for games.

  • Tyrone Jackson

    >not knowing anything about examples of socialism throughout history

    Found the Clinton voter. (Libertarian here BTW, so save your “hurf right wing” copout)

  • Tyrone Jackson

    The funny part being, of course, that no justice is found in it at all.

  • aaa

    “Geek progressives” are ignoring the lesbian game because the girls are drawn to look sexy and idealized. The same applies to a lot of Japanese manga aimed specifically at bisexual/lesbian women, but they could always say that’s “internalized misogyny”.

  • Tyrone Jackson

    I don’t think men’s fascination with the female form has to do with “society”.

  • Of course they should release the game in the west. But the problem doesn’t come only from the sjw’s but the press in general. Mainstream video games sites, general press did make things like they are now… And considering how easily they can trash a game, how (stupidly) so many people believe their words like the holy bible, i think it’s not worth for KT to lay companies to translate the game and spend money to distribute the game in the west. The niche audience is there, but it’s probably not big eniugh. (At least not like the DOA5 community, even though we all know the game has a bad reputation, thanks (or because) all the sexy costumes and sexy poses…)

  • Kiryu

    Exactly,can”t wait for Moero Crystal,DOAX3 and Gundam Vita.Too bad not many publishers do that.

  • Antoinant

    I like boobies and asses.

  • Sevuz

    We live in a fucked up world. Blood, gore and hardcore violence with all kinds of weapons is almost none censored. But as soon as we get to natural things like *SEX* and the naked body… the PC censor police goes ape shit. I’m amazed that Witcher 3 didn’t get censored like crazy this year.

  • scemar

    Thanks for the public service.
    Boy I’m gonna repost that one a lot!

  • Audie Bakerson

    “Should Koei Tecmo be kowtowing to social media-bound armchair warriors”

    Only the ones asking for a precure musou.

  • Phelan

    Just to let people know:

    RiceDigital also has Dead Or Alive Xtreme 3 in their shop, and it’s actualy way more cheaper than on stupidly expensive PlayAsia.

    http://www.ricedigital.co.uk/store/dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-venus-ps-vita&filter_name=dead%20or%20alive%20xt?awc=6691_1449051376_272fc6729bad354849047cd882b26067&utm_source=Affiliate_Window&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=80338&utm_content=Smarter+Click

    Still waiting for VGP.

  • Audie Bakerson

    ANN is what killed the anime industry in the west.

    Their writers literally hate anime and only do it because jobs about serious 2deep4u films (rightfully) don’t want them around.

    I’m not kidding. Several of their “writers” have ED articles about how much they hate anime.

  • Audie Bakerson

    After their shilling and pro-censorship views I’m not touching them with a thirty nine and a half foot pole.

  • Phelan

    Btw. dunno if you wrote about it before but:

    https://twitter.com/mombot/status/671599118108635136?

    Christine MARIE Cabanos – a voice actor behind Marie is not pleased

    “Don’t let your feminist ideals get in the way of my income.”

  • Audie Bakerson

    Wasn’t that this year’s AssCreed?

  • Phelan

    what?

  • Audie Bakerson

    It’s multi-language and includes Nipponese option, so I’m good even if it’s Sword Art Online level terrible (or only as bad as Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment’s translation)

  • Audie Bakerson

    Got to love how Nipponese dictionaries give the modern definition for フェミニスト

  • Might not be very related, but I’ll take this chance to voice something that’s been irking me.

    You know what’s the one thing that gets me just as mad as devs/pubs caving to SJWs? Lack of acknowledgement from the SJWs that complained when they do cave. Remember that whole shit that happened with Assassin’s Creed Unity and that “women are too hard to make” shit that SJWs harped on? Well here comes Syndicate ready to please those complained before with a lady MC and “diverse” cast! And… not a peep from the SJW camp. No “great job.” No “thank you for remembering us.” No “thanks for listening”. Nothing. Worse, they STILL get criticized by the same group! Why the fuck even bother!? It’s like a spoiled little kid begging his strapped-for-cash parents for that expensive-ass Optimus Prime toy for Christmas, only to throw a titty-attack because he got Bumblebee instead.

    So not only do SJWs lie, they are ungrateful too. Like, okay these dudes probably wouldn’t have bought the game to begin with. That’s (unfortunately) probably a forgone conclusion to some of these devs/pubs. But the least, THE LEAST, SJWs could do acknowledge what the devs have done and AT LEAST thank them for busting their ass to appease their bullshit. But nope. It’s as if nothing happened. Unwilling to part with money, they can’t even spare some fucking WORDS! They can speak it for free and takes seconds to write! Can’t even do that.

    But lemme guess, they’re not in that “circle”, that “clique”. That’s gotta be it.

  • Fighunter

    One thing I don’t get is this constant parroting of “We don’t have any actual power! No one is stopping DoAX3 from coming out! Where’s the outrage huh?”, which is a ridiculous statement.
    KT are afraid of slander and libel happening in the future. Why does no one ever address than angle? When the awful people like Jim Sterling or Kotaku baselessly accuse people like George Kamitani of pedophilia or bigotry, why would the company want to risk going through that shit again? Especially when those people have publically declared they’re gonna trash the company/game if they had the chance to review it.
    Regardless of the Streisand effect or how much controversy might generate sales, when you have nitwits online with a wide reach making false criminal accusations at developers, of course the developers are gonna be scared of releasing stuff! Yet no one seems to address that angle, instead calling them cowards. Who would ever want to pages upon pages of slander and misrepresentation to appear as the first Google results for them? It’s damaging to the company as a whole. In that aspect, of course KT wouldn’t want to avoid that shit, because it’s not valid criticism, just horrible fearmongering and rumour spreading.

  • Stilzkin

    Everytime

  • Arenegeth

    I feel like I’m pointing the obvious here, but the reasons these types are never satisfied and/or congratulate devs/pubs when they cave in to their demands, and instead usually find something else to complain about.

    Is because they are doing it for no righteous reason but for power.

    Some of them consciously out of self interest, and others subconsciously because it makes them feel good when they get attention and manage to force ‘change’. These people are only relevant as long as there’s a war to be fought. If they ‘win’ (at this point I’d argue that they already won, in the sense of the fear they managed to spread in the industry, similar to terrorism) then there’s no reason for that Patreon money anymore and Intel funds, since well, there’s no sexism in gaming anymore it’s a safe space! So why would anyone pay attention to them at that point?

    So yeah, the more the industry conforms to their warped version of the world the more they will escalate.

  • 259

    Dammit KT I really want to keep liking you since you continue to localize the Atelier series and even listened to fans about bringing over Nights of Azure, but then you pull really stupid shit like this.

  • Fabio Manoel

    If this game be released in the west, will be censored, and I hate censored games.

  • bL4Ck

    They should follow Marvellous games, fully embrace their niche, and focus on that alone, their English twitter account is a fanservice fest and still have to see anyone complaining about that. Ignoring the fake prude is the way to go for them, since their products have a completely different target.

  • Nagato
  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    Better late than never. Also believe whatever you want, we’re all fighting a common enemy right now.

  • TsukuyomiMagi99

    LOL No.I meant that dude who worked for Arc Systems.

  • Raziel Barkrai

    Always did love Christine Marie Cabanos’ performances, but she’s definitely higher on my list of favorites now.

  • Travis

    Easy way around that is to buy used.

  • Feniks

    SJW and moralfags are mostly an American issue TBH. Don’t lump my country in with them. This game could easily release in my country and absolutely nobody will talk about it.

    After Carmageddon and GTA in the 90s everyone found out thay games don’t make people into serialkillers and there hasn’t been a moral panic about games since.

    Just slap an age rating on it and its good to go.

  • Feniks

    That is a good tip!

    Sadly Nintendo games can be hard to find used (at least where I live) but it is definitely worth looking into.

  • Feniks

    It never ends…

  • Feniks

    Yeah that is a bit too much lol.

  • John Smith

    >Rice Digital
    wow racist much?

  • John Smith

    and Halo 5

  • alterku

    >embrace the niche market, or abandon it to appease insane, sociopathic regressives who clearly (and have publicly admitted to) will not buy their games
    I LOVE this statement. It’s not difficult to understand but so few seem to get it. Don’t let a group of party poopers who don’t get what you and your audience are into destroy you. That is what is happening.

  • Pierre Adriaan Du Plessis

    As mentioned, the percentage of people kicking up a stink is a very small fraction of the population. I looked at a variety of nine MGSV-Quiet related videos. Roughly, Of the 5 million or so that watched these videos, less than 0.05 percent bothered to Vote negatively (Thumbs down)… and the positive votes outnumbered the negative 20 to 1.
    Those getting upset (The snowflake culture) is a very tiny minority indeed.

    I see another strange and worrying trend as well. Game News sites like Kotaku are supposed to be game enthusiasts, or objective(serious) news reporters. Both of these should be non-partisan and embrace/celebrate all kinds of games. But Kotaku is neither objective, nor enthusiastic. They are actually ideological niche game snobs. They only support games that confirm their ideology. They boycott and silence any game that doesn’t suit their taste. Where do news sites like Kotaku get the idea that they can dictate our entertainment to us? Since when news sites refuse to give us news about the things we are interested in? I will never allow Kotaku to control the content of my games, and I really hope Koei Tecmo never will.

    Japan culture is years ahead of the rest of the world in making games sexy, and the developers like Koei Tecmo will shoot themselves in the foot, face, and ass if they think catering to SJW is a good idea.
    Hell, I might stop supporting them altogether if they admit to doing that in the future.

  • Saoirse O’Dwyer (栗原美雪)

    Well let’s see. I’m fairly feminist, dyed my hair red a few times, and have research gender studies and I am a long time gamer. So….target audience? I don’t care if it’s released, I simply won’t buy it. I do care about the next generation of kneck-bearded, fedora wearing, meninists that will be shown that viewing women like this is perfectly fine, ok, and even endorsed. The articles writer, by being ok with this, is pretty much admitting that their view is such that women have no use if their tits aren’t bouncing. So don’t even try to pretend that this isn’t about your male supremacist views.
    Sex and sexualised gaming is fine. But reducing women to that and that alone, is not.

  • Saoirse O’Dwyer (栗原美雪)

    And that’s really what people don’t realise. It’s not about the content it’s self. Maybe you’re well adjusted and you can play a game where women are air-brained sex objects, then treat your mother, sister, girlfriend, like a perfectly valid human being. But do NOT make the mistake of assuming that everyone else has that same grasp on reality. Because most do not.

    A note on social justice warrior.
    Social- Of or relating to society or its organization.
    Justice- Just behaviour or treatment.
    Warrior- A brave or experienced soldier or fighter.

    So Social Justice warrior is- A brave and experienced individual who fights for the just behaviour and treatment of all members of society.

    You do realise that you’re the enemy right? Being against a Social Jsutice Warrior makes you someone whop wants to be able to do whatever bad things he likes to all members of society without repercussion. That’s a villain. If this were one of the video games you love so much, you would be the final boss that the social justice warrior beats into oblivion. You might as well say that the definition of Batman is- A whiny pansy.

    How hard is it to know the meanings of words before you use them? Everyone who says social justice warrior and assumes that it means something bad just looks idiotic and ignorant.

  • plasmacutter

    Is this the same ANN which has been censoring discussions on DoaX because it reveals inconvenient truths about SJWs?

    ANN is about as dependable as fox news, very pro-censorship, and very socjus. Their staff hate anime with the burning passion of a thousand suns, and exist only to sabotage the industry and attempt to steer it away from what makes it Anime.

    I’m surprised they haven’t had guest articles by Anita Sarkeesian on how “problematic” ecchi series are.

  • First of all – I’m using social justice warrior as a pejorative in reflection of how so-called SJWs are typically the kind of people who are triggered/offended/disgusted by most things in our modern society, and as such, don’t want them to exist.

    I view this as censorship, and censorship doesn’t have to be institutionalized for it to be considered censorship.

    I never said women who do not have their tits bouncing have no use, please don’t spread lies about me. This isn’t about reducing women to mere sex objects, you may view it as that but to say this kind of thing is disingenuous at best.

    Ultimately, this boils down to cultivation theory and people who literally believe media, fiction, can affect reality and peoples’ perception of reality. I think this is nonsense and as such, games like this should be treated entirely as fiction, and therefore have no real impact on how men treat women in real life.

    A game doesn’t make a man treat women like shit – his environment, upbringing, and more does. Please stop using this copout.

    Again, when I use SJW as a pejorative, I mean the people like you who exist to prevent media from corrupting the youth, as it used to be put.

  • Alexis Nascimento-Lajoie

    Well this was an interesting read to say the least.

    What if there were women who so happened so like the DOAX3 games for the same reason men do. Does that make them any more horrible?

    It’s a flimsy argument to say the least. We had the same damn argument regarding violence in the 90s and that turned out to be a load of bull, so why would the same argument regarding sexism suddenly be true now.

    I can understand you not liking this game for what it is, and that’s fine. But making such huge generalizations about the people playing the game is dishonest.

    Everything deserves it’s place, whether it’s super progressive games like Sunset too fan service like this, nothing should be exempt because someone’s sensibilities got hurt.

  • TryHavingFun

    If anyone wants to chime in regarding the following response feel free, whether you agree, disagree, or fall along in the middle.

    To place my opinion as a long time fan of the Dead or Alive series and especially, Dead or Alive Xtreme, there is absolutely nothing sexist regarding the game at all and I fail to see the logic behind it. I can not see in any way how this game is sexist or places women as “objects.” To be fair, this game extremely tame in its content and is more of a dress up and dating simulator. Of all things, this game caters a lot to the female audience and has a lot of features for both sexes to enjoy. Yes, female gamers love this game too. Go outside the internet and beyond all the trending Twitter alarmists and there’s a lot for female gamers to like. Because it’s fun. The actual depth of the game and it’s gameplay is debatable. There’s going to be those who played it and didn’t like it. That’s cool. It has its criticisms. This is not a deep game. It’s pick up, play, and have fun.

    Anyone who has actually played the game can see how relaxed and entertaining the game can be for the female audience. The first game and it’s sequel had a ton of fashion accessories and swimsuits to try on. My female friend absolutely loved this and found it to be the funnest part. I loved it too. Be it, conservative or risque. The choice was yours. And guess what? The character’s and their personality represented this. That’s right, their personality and -their freedom of choice- of what -they- wanted to wear and choose to express themselves. Hitomi and Kasumi were conservative. Tina and Christie were risque. Their personalities decided what they wanted to wear.

    You know what else was fun? Getting to learn each girl’s personality and what they liked. You couldn’t gift a swimsuit and force anyone to wear anything they didn’t want. You had to get to know them. You had to learn what they liked. You had to win in games and you had to win their friendship. And you know what? Not every girl liked each other! Go figure. Ayane and Kasumi hate each other. Lei Fang and Hitomi are best friends. And what does that mean? Each girl has their personality and choice. Hey, certain girls don’t like each other. Doesn’t that sound like reality?

    So we have cute girls going to an island swimming in swimsuits, wearing fun and cute outfits, enjoying life, hopping in pools, going on walks, and enjoying a resort. And apparently, this is sexist. Oh, but they look too sexy? They show too much skin. Because it’s a game and it’s art. This isn’t reality. It’s a video game. It’s not a fair representation of how all women look! Because it’s a video game.

    Much of the finger pointing is coming from ridiculous, self-righteous narcissism and pretending to be this great, almighty progressive person when in reality, it’s nothing but creating a safe space, faking morality, and trying to hide whatever insecurities is left behind.

    Do you want to get real? Let’s actually get real for a moment. Step outside and go see the real world. When you look at all the college students that go on Spring Break, the actual partying that goes on down there. Dancing. Grinding. Getting drunk. The random hook ups. Or if you went to a beach in Miami where you’ll see topless women in g-strings as if it was nothing. This game has none of that. But if it did? And this game is sexist because it has cute girls, having fun on an island resort on vacation giving gifts to each other and wearing swimsuits that are fun, cute, and they look sexy in? But your controlling them, so it has to be sexist? Yeah, because it’s a fucking video game.

    Fuck this fake sense inflated sense of overdeveloped entitlement lately. If you want to make a difference, go out and lend a hand to a person actually in need. Not bitch about a video game and start a Twitter trend. Until then, all this shamble of shaming is a facade and trying cover up a hole and self-purpose with needless hug boxing.

  • EinMugenTenshin

    Just buy them, they are good games which is all that should matter in the end.

  • Mr Silvio
  • Guest

    A big part of the issue is that the more things the team ‘needs to fix’, the more time they spend on the localization, so they get more money. The Best Friends were talking about it on their podcast, the localization industry is basically the ‘bad mechanic’ of video games. They get the most money out of changing things that are visual, like models and textures, so the more ‘problematic’ visuals they need to change, the more that goes into their pockets. The social justice stuff is a problem, but it’s mostly just an excuse on their part for them to make more money off a project than they would otherwise.

    The most common complaint is ‘why did they change so much when they could have left it alone’, and the answer is money.

  • EroBotan

    glad to be of help!

  • Yep, there’s a lot of Galapagosing going on. But I feel like it’s not come in as recently as you think. I think that Japanese game companies have been scared of big scary Westerners since around the time of that “Rapelay” incident back in 2009.

    The borders was pretty open up until that point, by which I mean – everything they were making, you could see from elsewhere in the world, people would trade doujin and eroge (as long as it wasn’t illegal) quite publicly, in fairly mainstream places like ebay. Then this scandal happened, and suddenly all the eroge companies got very, very scared. Many of their websites went behind firewalls that stop traffic that’s detected as being outside of Japan, some shops started refusing to export games. Not just eroge, but anything ordinary featuring pretty girls – they just got spooked out about doing business with foreigners. They decided to pretend to be invisible.

    Then a bunch of laws came in, in Japan, which drove the makers of more extreme content further underground.

    I don’t know if many Japanese game companies really have any real idea what’s going on concerning the SJW movement in the West. I have a strong feeling that it doesn’t actually have any impact on most Japanese developers because they aren’t monitoring the situation at all. A lot of them find it a massive pain in the neck to read English in the first place, and they’ve spent so long with that “Japan only” mindset, I am not even sure many of them are very aware that there is a world of gaming outside of Japan any more.

    I also think that many Japanese developers have made their mobile apps region restricted for similar reasons. There are various games available on mobile in Japan which are about stuff like collecting cards with pictures of pretty girls on them (not doing anything intimate with them or anything), but they’ll decide “this is for Japan only” and region restrict them just in case.

    But – there is one strange trend. While galge has been trying to hide from the world, it seems like the makers of otome games and BL games are deliberately trying to make a foothold on the Western market. To me, it’s looked like it’s really been taking off this past year. I watched a documentary on NHK (well, it was an Imagine-Nation special) where they said the “Shall We Date” otome games were actually tailored specifically for the international market.

    I haven’t heard any kind of social outrage about the rise of otome games, despite the characters not resembling “real men” very much, and the thin, tropey characterisations.

    God, I love me some thin, tropey characterisations. Long live thin, tropey characterisations!

  • I’m a woman who’s been gaming longer than you’ve been alive, and I’m fine with this game. I am attracted to other women. Sometimes. Well, not that often; I’m quite picky, really. But what I mean to give you a fair disclaimer that I an not opposed to the concept of looking at digital representations of women that are intended to be attractive.

    DOAX games…. I’ve never actually played one but I have seen someone else play one for a few hours (the Xbox 360 one), and it was all fine. They seem pretty safe, really. The women in it are strong (I mean, if you’ve ever played a DOA game, you’ll know that), and they’re in an entirely non-threatening environment, they do a bunch of dumb stuff, wear different clothes, pose a bit. It’s fairly lighthearted and funny.

    I mean, it’s just a fantasy. Really obviously, just a fantasy. I don’t think anybody who plays a DOAX game actually believes these are real women any more than they believe the men in otome games are real men. They don’t really act very human, it’s all obviously scripted – every word, every movement, every image.

    Maybe it gives players a false impression that women are extremely materialistic. But that’s just a bonus if they then go on to meet a real woman who isn’t, because they’ll appreciate that even more.

    There are actually lots of games out there which do treat women very, very badly. The kind of game where… within 2 minutes of starting up the game, the male protagonist rescues a girl who was being raped by a tentacle demon in an unnecessarily graphic way, then she acts like you’re her saviour and as though nothing really terrible just happened, and the rest of the game is about going on a quest for glory while inserting your giant protag penis into as many screaming women as possible, notching them up as trophies and then discarding them in search of the next prey. Again, it’s just fantasy, but it’s much more scary to think of people acting this way, and overall far more distasteful.

    DOAX games are like, the other end of the spectrum. All you do is subserviently play mini-games to earn money to buy gifts for beautiful women. Who bluntly turn you down the first X times, until you’ve learned what gifts they prefer, and they’ve decided they like you enough. There really is a feeling that the women in the game are the ones in control, even though you’re there with a controller supposedly telling them what to do.

    Complaining about the content in DOAX games when so much worse is out there is a bit like stitching up a paper cut on someone’s finger when their leg’s been torn off.

  • Derek

    Um, KT owns Marvelous. Don’t be surprised if their parent company’s decision throw some weight into the next boardroom meeting with Takagi who is going to have to either keep his stuff out of western shores or risk being “promoted”

  • Derek

    Well sometimes I really laugh at the double standards. Japan forbids any form of frontal nudity while games like God Of War has frontal nudity.

    You don’t get that in Japanese handheld or console gaming.

  • Derek

    Western gaming had instances of full frontal nudity, I don’t mean the covered up or bars of censorship light that Senran Kagura is known for.

  • Derek

    Maybe because Japanese gaming is in this uncomfortable position where the most they can have is covered up nudity and skimpy swimsuits. You do know if western devs get to make a DOAX they would not hold back on the lesbian sex scenes.

  • Zero Beat

    KT should absolutely release it interntationally, and on Xbox One for PAL and North America. SJWs only have power if you let them.

  • Zero Beat

    “This way they have the safety net of the people who actually import the game and prove that there is a market out there and earn even more when they bring it to the West.”
    And then you have people like me that will buy the Japanese/Asian and PAL LEs if they come with really cool stuff in addition to the American release because I can afford it.

  • Zero Beat

    And since DoA5 had a 2-year time jump, no one’s 16 or 17 anymore.

  • Sevuz

    True. Homosexuality is somewhat a mixed bag here in the West (but not in all countries).

    I have seen enough bikinis, tits, butts, six-packs, abs and sexual hints in movies, TV shows and games by now, that I would say that it’s very normal. Yet it seems the world must be EXTREME bored out of it’s mind for this to be a world issue.

  • Mr0303

    Good for you, man. I doubt the limited editions will be too different if it ever comes to the West.

  • Zero Beat

    Yeah, I need to get a WiiU at some point so I can actually play Bayonetta 2. Hyrule Warriors also looks fun. I also want to get Fatal Frame 5, but the censorship is making me hesitant.

  • Mike Nieto

    This is exactly the problem with you SJWs. You generalize and insult poeple who don’t agree with your views and try to fight over the internet to take stuff you find “problematic” away. I honestly don’t see how a silly videogame about digital attractive girls doing shit in the beach is offensive, sexist or mysoginistic.

    SJWs need to do themselves a favor and go find a god damned dictionary and research what those words mean. It pisses me off that with so many real sexist and mysoginistic problems in the world, we have to constantly deal with crap like this in our hobbie because of ignorant people manipulated by a small group earning money for this (Sarkeesian anyone¿).

    It’s a disrespect to Brandon, the NG team and the usual readers when you come here and say that he doesnt appreciate girls who don’t have big breasts. Stop insulting and being rude, it’s incredible how rude you people can be. Live and let live for Christ’s sake.

  • When I read Kotaku, I don’t really think of it as an influential gaming site, I think of it as a place where people go when they just want to switch off their brains and just swarm like goldfish to whatever shiny thing. Ooh! Obvious clickbait headlines! Ooh! Weird foreign food! Ooh! American comic book heroes! Ooh! Misinformed nostalgia piece!

    It doesn’t really feel like it’s a site where they post articles as something where you’d read an opinion and take it on board – it seems like they aim for low hanging fruit and controversy and deliberately get things slightly wrong for the clicks and fury. It’s a circus.

    I don’t know – maybe it’s influential upon the people who aren’t actually readers of the site, because they think “well it’s got a lot of traffic, people must agree with them in their articles”?

  • Andrew Krasy

    Good times.

  • Jesus Zamora

    This’ll likely pass in a year or two, when the books make it clear that appealing to SJWs won’t make the money. I find it odd that the response to SJW pressure seems to be so scattershot (Idea Factory and Marvelous don’t seem to give a shit, Koei Tecmo and NISA seem to be terrified). All this results in is a diminishing of Japanese cultural relevance to the rest of the world, as western companies have long ago learned to tell SJWs where to stick it.

  • Jesus Zamora

    That, I think, is the real issue. Smaller Japanese publishers (IE, not the ones people usually think of, like Namco or Capcom) trust their localization teams way too much. This, combined with a very non-diverse ideology among localization teams, results in a product that is more sanitized than Western-made games.

    As far as the western market goes, the future belongs to companies with their own in-house localization teams. This is why you’ll never hear this nonsense coming out of Marvelous USA(Xseed), Idea Factory, or the larger Japanese houses. Hiring a bunch of technicolor-haired San Fransisco communists will leave you as nothing more than a memory, if that.

  • Saoirse O’Dwyer (栗原美雪)

    Live and let live? Hmm…no. I will not ignore ignorance and injustice. I will speak out against it.

    Obviously you are not a student of psychology or you’d understand the damage to ones thoughts that seeing something normalised in any form of media can do.

    Hell it’s how teach children. We normalise specific desirable behaviour, like manors, in order to teach that this is how they should be. The rampant sexualisation of women merely normalises us as sexual objects. You really need to look at the words you use to see how this happens.

    “[..]when you come here and say that he doesnt appreciate girls who don’t have big breasts.”

    Once again you propose women as something to be appreciated. Meaning that if you aren’t desiring them, what are they for? The whole point isn’t about appreciation, its about treating women as actual human beings. I mean, how many games do we get like this with guys running around in tight speedos with crotch bulges bouncing?

    And by the way, I need to look up the definitions? That’s exactly what I did. That why I posted….oh, I don’t know, the DEFINITIONS…

  • Saoirse O’Dwyer (栗原美雪)

    I think I mentioned above where I said that I don’t actually mind the games content. I mind how a lot of people will take it. I too like other girls/find them attractive. But I can’t say I’d play this game. I guess that might just be genre preference. I like immersion and enjoy action/adventure and RPGs.
    My point is that there are a LOT of people who do take it seriously. Especially younger teenage men. And if you aren’t like the girls in the games (Either not gravity defying pretty enough or 2 dimensional enough) then they think you have no worth.

  • Saoirse O’Dwyer (栗原美雪)

    Actually, yeah it does. It makes them just as, well not horrible. I am not saying ANYone here is horrible. Just ignorant and unaware. But, eh, most people are.

  • Saoirse O’Dwyer (栗原美雪)

    Once again, don’t assume that just because your reality is sound and iron clad and that you’ve NEVER been influenced by any form of media, that other people are just as superhuman.
    A game is part of someone’s environment. These things don’t exist in a separate reality. We play them here in ours. When I was 15 I styled my hair like Arwen in The Lord of The Rings films because I thought it was gorgeous and identified with her. Now, as an adult, I see it as a wee bit silly. But I was more easily influenced then. This example is harmless…but not all are.

  • Saoirse O’Dwyer (栗原美雪)

    One last thing stuck out to me. Longer than I’ve been alive? You have no idea how old I am so…?

  • Well, I’m been gaming since about 1983. How wrong was I? :)

  • This game isn’t going to teach young men to behave badly towards women, they’re all about “if you want these hot women to interact with you, you’ve got to seriously step up your being-nice-to-them!”

    I mean, seriously, if young teenage men are interested in DOA girls, so be it. They are probably interested in real girls too, and they are acutely aware that fantasy is just fantasy. If not, it’s ok if that fantasy comes crashing down. That’s how people grow, and learn.

    It’s just like young teenage girls might follow a boy band or have a crush on a celebrity whose image has been carefully manufactured to appeal to their specific demographic; that beautiful fake mess of a rite of passage is how a lot of young women do indeed find what they believe is their first true love, and is the source of their eventual first crashing disillusionment.

    You can’t ban all sources of teenage romantic disillusionment. It’s fine, it’s just a thing people go through.

    If that never happens, and they never get further than those teenage ideals and expectations, and no-one can ever live up to those lofty expectations they’ve built up, and their alone forever (or end up with a dozen cats), or with their beloved teen boy band idol or digital “waifu”, so be it. That’s their lives – they can live it like that if they want. Live and let live. Love and let love.

  • Jack0

    Well I’ll be honest here, its a good thing the game isn’t coming over. Not because of what you think, but because the game itself only has 8 freaking characters and my girl tina isn’t one of them. This series always sells bad anyway so they probably did that to justify this.

  • Saoirse O’Dwyer (栗原美雪)

    Not horribly wrong, but more wrong than you’d think.

  • Damn, my Sherlock Fortune Teller skills failed. :P

  • Mighty No. 56008

    And any chance of anyone here taking you seriously is now completely out the window by calling us “ignorant and unaware”. Excellent.

  • Alistair

    I can’t make out what KT was thinking all other dead & alive games with sexual overtones are release what make this game any different.

    Is it really that shocking are we going to see NIPPLES when her bikini slips is that what make it different no they’re won’t go that far.

    There be something to stop the bikini from slipping further it called her hands.

  • Jesus Zamora

    That’s actually an interesting point. American and European game developers dealt with the black days of the 90s, the Senate hearings, Jack Thompson, the Supreme Court, et al. THEY had their trial by fire, and now give no fucks for it. This might simply be Japanese developers’ turn to go through it, since they likely never experienced this sort of nonsense in Japan.

  • Jesus Zamora

    What’re you talking about? Marvelous Entertainment is its own entity. They have no relationship with Koei Tecmo at all.

  • Keirnoth

    Judging from what Lauren Southern was taught when she was taking women’s studies classes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JowiDnuBTHU

    It seems you’ve unfortunately have been heavily influenced by your “courses”.

    Using a personal anecdote to prove your point is weaksauce. Your original argument also stems from the “media can influence people to have sexist/(insert your favorite)-ist views” argument I’ve seen people who have taken those “classes” have made, which has no reliable evidence to back it up except from “studies” made by the very ideologues themselves who are trying to push their ideology into the mainstream.

    An argument very much similar to yours was made 15+ years ago, when you were a kid thinking Arwen was real – it was that violent video games made us commit violent acts, which was proven false. That was to counter people coming from the opposite side of your political spectrum, who also tried to change the way board games were made 15 years before THAT because they thought Dungeons and Dragons would lead to satanism.

    When the left makes the same argument under the guise of a different ideology, it does not make it any more correct.

  • Keirnoth

    Isn’t it strange that Japan has actually been more progressive than the West with its strong female character archetypes that they’ve had since the 80s? They’ve also adopted the “sexy isn’t sexist” ideal for their females too, and they’ve been way ahead of us when it comes to homosexuality via their anime and manga.

    But NOPE, can’t have none of that. SEX IS BAD, UNLESS US FEMINISTS DO IT.

  • Keirnoth

    What did they fuck up with Halo 5?

  • Keirnoth

    GURREN LAGANNN

  • randomdude

    That’s simple, the ones doing for free are doing so purely out of love for the content while those paid, well, they’re just punching a clock

  • Socialist

    “Cultural Marxists”
    And when you see that term bandied about, you know you’re reading something written by an ignorant idiot.

  • Socialist

    “Or trying to put their own morals into the game to “fix it”.”
    Yeah that’s because all translation requires a certain degree of interpretation. A literal word for word translation of Japanese would often be incoherent nonsense and the gum flaps wouldn’t match up.